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A Postpartum Check-up with Jess Higgins · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Today Guess
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  Speaker 2: what I Am joined by Ben Higgins Surprise and his
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  Speaker 2: beautiful wife, Jessica Clark Higgins. We wanted to do a
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  Speaker 2: little catch up about parenthood about one month in So
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  Speaker 2: Hello guys, Ben, Welcome to your podcast.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a long time since I've been here. Thanks
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  Speaker 3: for the invite.
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  Speaker 2: So first off, jess how are you feeling emotionally physically
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  Speaker 2: about a month after giving birth?
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  Speaker 4: Physically, I feel, honestly pretty much one hundred percent. I
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  Speaker 4: definitely get tired faster than I did before I was
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  Speaker 4: pregnant or had a baby, but I'm all healed for
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  Speaker 4: the most part. I'm not in diapers anymore. I can
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  Speaker 4: walk for like an hour at a time, which is
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  Speaker 4: really great and amazing for my mental health because the
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  Speaker 4: mental health piece of postpartum is a lot harder for me.
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  Speaker 4: I've had a lot more anxiety than I thought I would,
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  Speaker 4: a lot more emotional than I normally am.
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  Speaker 3: Why did you look at me when you said that?
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  Speaker 5: Because I've been more emotional.
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  Speaker 2: Because you can vouch for her, yeah, yeah, I'll support her.
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  Speaker 2: And say yes, is he looking at you thinking you
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  Speaker 2: haven't been more emotional or has he been Like.
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  Speaker 6: It's up to you to answer this both.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, I don't know what I expected. I expected that
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  Speaker 7: postpartum to be hard emotionally. I thought it'd be harder physically,
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  Speaker 7: like Jess's was walking a week later and like we go,
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  Speaker 7: we just got back from a family walk and like
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  Speaker 7: we can walk pretty far.
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  Speaker 3: She could walk for as long as she wants.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like at this point, amazing, Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: the emotions are are all over the place. I think
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  Speaker 7: she thinks they're worse than they are. I think she
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  Speaker 7: carries this like feeling that it's she's been a monster
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  Speaker 7: she has.
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  Speaker 4: I'm such a head case, which like I normally am
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  Speaker 4: not at all, And I think that a lot of
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  Speaker 4: that does have to do with the postpartum emotions. And
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  Speaker 4: I am exclusively breastfeeding, and everyone has told me that
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  Speaker 4: like with your milk, and it changes every day, so
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  Speaker 4: your hormones and emotions change every day. And I've definitely
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  Speaker 4: felt that, like some days I'll be totally normal and
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  Speaker 4: fine and chill, and some days I'm like so controlling
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  Speaker 4: or like I don't want to leave Winny or I
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  Speaker 4: just get like nervous about little things, and there's I
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  Speaker 4: have no idea how I'm going to wake up every morning, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so breastfeeding isn't something that I did, so
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  Speaker 2: I never I never got to experience the emotions that
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  Speaker 2: go with it. I do think that it's it affects
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  Speaker 2: you a lot, such a job that you are doing,
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  Speaker 2: and you're providing for sweet Winny, so you're just just
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  Speaker 2: know that, like every day you're doing so much, and like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think that like it's just going to take a
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  Speaker 2: toll on your body, emotionally, physically, all of it. So
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  Speaker 2: don't ever feel you know that, I mean you you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know that you're doing an amazing job. So even
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  Speaker 2: if you're feeling down, just know that, like you're killing it.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think that that probably does make it
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  Speaker 2: a prostpartum more of an emotional experience.
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  Speaker 4: I've heard that it does. I mean, obviously I don't
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  Speaker 4: know either because I haven't not breastfed yet, but I
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  Speaker 4: think that no matter what you do, when you have
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  Speaker 4: a baby, you just change emotionally for a while, but
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  Speaker 4: every day gets better.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think it's I mean, I've seen
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  Speaker 7: moments where it definitely feels like it's it's unhealthy. Like
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  Speaker 7: There's been very few, but a few moments where I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: she's not in a healthy place, something like she's not
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  Speaker 7: processing things. Well that those are very few. There's there's
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  Speaker 7: another side of it. I think that I've seen where
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  Speaker 7: this like concern and she's not overly concerned. I'm definitely though,
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  Speaker 7: like less concerned than she is, which was a shock.
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  Speaker 3: To both of us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we asked you that question on the pre parent
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  Speaker 2: podcast episode, and we thought that you would be the
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  Speaker 2: nervous one.
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  Speaker 3: No, very much, like not as nervous, but but there's
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  Speaker 3: this cool thing.
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  Speaker 7: So my point was, I think what Jess is going
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  Speaker 7: through as a mom is actually like really beautiful because
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  Speaker 7: she's more nervous, because she's alert, because she thinks about Winnie.
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  Speaker 7: Like I don't expect that to continue in the way
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  Speaker 7: that it is right now for ever. But what I
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  Speaker 7: think it's I think it's a really cool way that
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  Speaker 7: like our bodies or her body is like bringing out
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  Speaker 7: this like motherly like instinct and love and care and like, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: at first when you start to feel these things and
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  Speaker 7: worry you're gonna feel crazy because it's all so new,
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  Speaker 7: But as you get like in a rhythm and it
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  Speaker 7: becomes more of.
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  Speaker 3: A second nature to you.
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  Speaker 7: I think what we're experiencing is like Jessica's body like
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  Speaker 7: building up this like mom instinct, and I think it's
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  Speaker 7: cool but not always easy, Like, yeah, you're gonna wake
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  Speaker 7: up in the middle night freaking out, like thinking something
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  Speaker 7: bad is happening to Lenny when she's just snoozing. But yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I mean I've seen a lot of just change in
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  Speaker 7: just like for the better, just becoming a mom.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, do you feel like moments where
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  Speaker 2: you're like I am experiencing postparum depression, post part anxiety,
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  Speaker 2: or do you think it's baby blues somewhere maybe in
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  Speaker 2: the middle.
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  Speaker 4: The first two weeks, I was like, this is postpartum anxiety.
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  Speaker 4: I like had the shakes, I couldn't eat, I was
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  Speaker 4: like sobbing at everything, Like when he turned seven days
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  Speaker 4: old and I like lost it.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, there's no way she can be a
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  Speaker 5: week old.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of the moments that I was thinking of
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  Speaker 3: when I was like, this is help.
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  Speaker 4: I like went to the post office for literally fifteen
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  Speaker 4: minutes and like had separation anxiety. Like I I was
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  Speaker 4: anxious and my body was responding in an anxious way.
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  Speaker 4: But after those first like two or three weeks, I
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  Speaker 4: haven't had as much of that. Like I am feeling
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  Speaker 4: anxious all the time. I have moments where I get
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  Speaker 4: nervous or I get anxious, but.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think I have like postpartum depression.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even think I have the baby blues as
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  Speaker 4: much as I just I never worried about anything, probably
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  Speaker 4: to a fault before I had a where like honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I just let been worry about everything, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: if he's not worried, I'm not worried.
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  Speaker 5: And now it's kind of flipped a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: Oh that's hilarious. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I would say that I probably had the baby
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  Speaker 2: blues with Dawson, but it wasn't blues because I wasn't sad.
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  Speaker 2: It was just everything. I was overcome by emotion, like
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  Speaker 2: you for everything. A lot of it was everything is perfect.
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  Speaker 2: I have a perfect little baby, and my family around me,
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  Speaker 2: who's supporting me and living with us right now is happy, healthy, safe,
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  Speaker 2: Like life can get better than this. So one is
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  Speaker 2: then the shoe gonna drop. Like that was my constant
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  Speaker 2: anxiety that.
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  Speaker 4: Is so real every time something bad happens to her,
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  Speaker 4: or not even bad. Every time she spits up, I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: she has a stomach bug, like she has to because
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  Speaker 4: nothing bad has happened yet, so like something has to
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  Speaker 4: go wrong.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I totally really that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I mean, good for you on healing
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  Speaker 2: so quickly. I was a little bit more of the opposite,
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  Speaker 2: Like I felt pretty mentally good, like right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: It's because I hated being pregnant, so like it was
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  Speaker 2: sweet relief.
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  Speaker 6: And then my body like I couldn't. I don't know
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  Speaker 6: what happened.
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  Speaker 2: You were more torn than me, so tm I but
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  Speaker 2: like I couldn't stand for more than five minutes for
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  Speaker 2: like three weeks, like I'd be washing bottles, like just
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  Speaker 2: moving every little direction, being like okay, I'm so uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 4: I started to do pelvic floor physical therapy before I
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  Speaker 4: had her, and I helped me so much with just
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  Speaker 4: like getting my muscles back, okay, like the standing muscles
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  Speaker 4: and like even going to the bathroom and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like that was so helpful.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what yeah, what, Yeah, I mean I
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  Speaker 7: think Jess wouldn't say it, but like you got we
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  Speaker 7: got to give her a lot of credit. Like she
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  Speaker 7: was doing not intense workouts, but she was working out
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  Speaker 7: up until like, oh yeah, the day of like childbirth,
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  Speaker 7: and then she like really prepped her body to recover
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  Speaker 7: physically in a really good way without overdoing it. Like
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  Speaker 7: it wasn't like this crazy amount of like hour long exercises,
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  Speaker 7: but it was like just doing something throughout the day
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  Speaker 7: up until when he was born and.
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  Speaker 3: Then even after.
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  Speaker 7: I think has been not only impressive, but it would
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  Speaker 7: probably be something like in the little amount of advice
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  Speaker 7: I have for anybody you know that's entering into the stage,
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  Speaker 7: like it would be advice I would give is if
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  Speaker 7: you're up for it, like try your best to get
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  Speaker 7: like physically healthy before so that you bounce back afterwards,
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  Speaker 7: you know quickly.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and here's what happened is everyone prepared me for
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  Speaker 4: the physical piece of postpart and they're like, you're gonna tear,
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  Speaker 4: like you're gonna have a hard time standing and walking.
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  Speaker 4: So in my brain, I spent my whole pregnancy like
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  Speaker 4: preparing my it, and I totally neglected my mind, like
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  Speaker 4: what would happen when I mentally became a mom? And
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  Speaker 4: so I think that, yeah, my body has been good,
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  Speaker 4: which thank god, because my mind's been a disaster. But
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  Speaker 4: next time, I would definitely maybe start like some talk
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  Speaker 4: therapy sooner something.
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  Speaker 2: Are you pregnant or are you completely overwhelmed by the
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  Speaker 2: millions of products out there for pregnancy and postpartum? Well,
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  Speaker 2: when I was pregnant with Dawson, I did a ton
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  Speaker 2: of research to figure out what I really needed, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad that I found the washable Leakproof Undies
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  Speaker 2: from the brand Proof. After you give birth, the hospital
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  Speaker 2: usually sends you home with some of these disposable diapers,
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  Speaker 2: these huge pads. But after a few days of barely
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  Speaker 2: any sleep in the pads as they are chunky, I
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  Speaker 2: was ready to start feeling a little bit more myself.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where Proof Undies come in. So Proof
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  Speaker 2: Undies are made of super soft, real fabric and they
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  Speaker 2: have a high rise fit so they're incredibly comfy to wear.
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  Speaker 6: I'm actually wearing them right now even.
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  Speaker 2: Though I don't have my period and I didn't just
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  Speaker 2: have a baby. They are designed with Proof's absorbent leak
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  Speaker 2: lock layer technology, so they protect up to twelve hours
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  Speaker 2: worth of flow. The best part is at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, you just give them a quick rinse
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  Speaker 2: and then you throw them in the washer, in the
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  Speaker 2: dryer and you can use them again the next day.
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  Speaker 2: I've been a long time fan of Proof. It's before
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  Speaker 2: you know Dawson was born and it's been over three years,
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  Speaker 2: so I am beyond excited that they have come out
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  Speaker 2: with this new postpartum style. Proof Postpartum is available to
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  Speaker 6: So be sure to add.
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  Speaker 2: Those your baby registry, your wishless give them to your
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  Speaker 2: mom friends like I did with Jess. Every mom deserves
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  Speaker 2: to feel amazing, So slip on these Proof undies and
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  Speaker 2: enjoy those extra snuggles with your little one without feeling
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  Speaker 2: a big diaper on your own. Buddy Ben brings up
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  Speaker 2: the point of if you feel like you can be
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  Speaker 2: physically active.
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  Speaker 6: I'll say that in.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much both my products and says, I didn't really
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  Speaker 2: feel feel like that I could. It's particularly with Dawson,
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  Speaker 2: but with Hayden, I it was summertime when I was
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  Speaker 2: in my third trimester, So swimming was really really great
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  Speaker 2: and it's almost like, I don't want to say everybody
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  Speaker 2: can go swim, but like you'll feel really great afterward.
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  Speaker 2: If you think that working out's not for you being pregnant,
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  Speaker 2: try swimming. It really makes you feel awesome. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: So what about peeing your pants? Have you been doing that?
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  Speaker 8: Like?
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  Speaker 2: How long did you need to be in diapers for?
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  Speaker 2: Because I had to wear a pad for like three
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  Speaker 2: months post Dawson because I would leak at like the
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  Speaker 2: sound of a faucet, like somebody could fill up a
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  Speaker 2: bathtub and I would be like, I'm I have a
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  Speaker 2: full stream coming out. I had no control over that
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  Speaker 2: area for a while. And then I did M Sculpt,
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  Speaker 2: which really helped with those muscles, and then I started
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  Speaker 2: to get better and with hate in the recovery of
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  Speaker 2: those muscles was even faster, which I was surprised I
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  Speaker 2: thought would be the opposite.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I well, first of all, I want to talk
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  Speaker 4: to you about M sculpt because I am interested in
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  Speaker 4: that post party, but I also I haven't had any leaking.
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  Speaker 5: Actually I was in diapers because I bled for like
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  Speaker 5: three and a half weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's typical. I said, three and a half weeks
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  Speaker 2: is probably the average.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that makes me feel good because I was like,
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  Speaker 4: this is going on forever, but I haven't had any
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  Speaker 4: leakage yet. But I feel like I haven't really like
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  Speaker 4: sneezed or anything, so I'm sure it's coming.
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  Speaker 2: No, your public floor therapy that you were doing on
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  Speaker 2: your own was obviously very effective.
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  Speaker 4: I think it helped me a ton, and I do
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  Speaker 4: it every night now still, and I'll start going in
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  Speaker 4: person when I after six weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I've never done it in person because
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't need anybody else looking at
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  Speaker 2: my chascha.
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  Speaker 4: I'm over this, I know, but I you know, I
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  Speaker 4: like to run, yeah, and I don't want to Maybe
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  Speaker 4: one day I want to run again. Right now, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like I really don't, but maybe one day I will.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't want to pack my pants the whole
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  Speaker 5: time I run.
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  Speaker 6: Ah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if I go on a trampoline with Dawson,
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  Speaker 2: it's like, Hi, I am peeing everyone around me, Hi,
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  Speaker 2: I am peeing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, still on a trampoline, Yeah, I'll dribble and like
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  Speaker 2: on the dance floor at Tanya's wedding, there was like
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  Speaker 2: a song where you all.
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  Speaker 6: Like jump jump jump.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, I'm dribbling on the dance floor.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean I should probably have someone else look
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  Speaker 2: at my jacha and actually go to public floor therapy.
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  Speaker 2: But M sculpt has been very helpful for both times.
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  Speaker 2: And M sculpt actually has another device. I'm forgetting what
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  Speaker 2: it's called now, but a man of Stanton used it
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  Speaker 2: and you actually sit on the device. It's non invasive,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't go up your body, and you sit on
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  Speaker 2: it and it really does those muscles rather than the
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  Speaker 2: ab which has the secondary effect on the pelvic floor muscles.
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  Speaker 5: That's interesting. Passive, that's kind of nice.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, same totally.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe it just doesn't affect me on a daily
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  Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, trampoline's dancing, jumping on a dance floor,
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  Speaker 2: those are like the only two things, so it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really affect my life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Slide for Ashley.
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  Speaker 2: What has been surprising to you guys as new parents?
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  Speaker 2: Anything that people didn't prep you for?
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to go first on this?
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  Speaker 7: I think I think a lot of what I expected
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  Speaker 7: with a baby.
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  Speaker 3: I think people I mean, when he has.
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  Speaker 7: Been an incredible baby, like she is a queen in
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  Speaker 7: this house.
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  Speaker 3: She is so sweet. She fusses when she like look.
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  Speaker 6: At this, hello'sly angel face.
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  Speaker 2: So she's got a great face, Like this is not
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  Speaker 2: me being your friend. She's got like and she's becoming
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  Speaker 2: like awake, an alert, and like you can see her face,
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  Speaker 2: it's not just an out of the uterus face.
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  Speaker 7: She stared at me last night and I stared back
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  Speaker 7: for like a long time and it was just like heavenly,
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  Speaker 7: which is wild to talk about. But so I I
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  Speaker 7: know that we've been lucky when it comes to our
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  Speaker 7: daughter and her ability to sleep, her ability to communicate
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  Speaker 7: like that she's hungry or she's cold, and that's really
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  Speaker 7: the only time she like fusses.
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  Speaker 6: You guys, you trigger me, trigger me, deep, we.
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  Speaker 5: Trigger all parents.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I say that with a caveat like we've been
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  Speaker 7: lucky in that, like we didn't do anything to like
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  Speaker 7: have this happen.
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  Speaker 3: It just happened. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, So I think a little bit of it was
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  Speaker 7: the fear of how hard.
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  Speaker 3: This was going to be.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been less difficult than I mentally was preparing
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  Speaker 7: myself for. I think is one thing I've been surprised by.
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  Speaker 7: I think the side of that. The other side of
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  Speaker 7: that is I don't think people prepared us correctly in
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  Speaker 7: the sense of like she needs pretty much like twenty
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  Speaker 7: four to seven care, like somebody needs to be watching Whinnie.
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  Speaker 7: She needs to be like somebody needs to be making
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  Speaker 7: sure that she's like, you know, not laying on her
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  Speaker 7: pacifier in her eye like those types of things.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't expect that.
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  Speaker 7: But I do think Jessica and I both read enough,
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  Speaker 7: listened enough to advice and from others to be well prepared.
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  Speaker 3: At least me personally.
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  Speaker 7: I've been less worried about her, like it's crazy, but
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  Speaker 7: like I see her doing things that like, you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: she's fussing, Like I could sit with her crying on
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: me for an hour if that was healthy, without like overreacting.
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: And I thought I would be like a nerve and
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: I'm just not. I know she's gonna be okay. So
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: that's been surprising for me. In a response, that's.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Been surprising for me that he how chill he's been
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: about literally everything, and how I'm chill I've been because
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: I thought I really knew babies.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: The mother response to crying is totally different than the
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: father's response. I don't know if you've felt this.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Definitely like a body response when she.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't handle it, like absolutely, no way. I
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: think maybe we talked about this when you guys came
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: on for your like one week recap. But like Jared
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: can think like, oh, he'll be fine. He's crying in
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the crip for five minutes. We're only doing it for
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: five minutes, and I'm.
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: Like, I have to leave. There's a frenzy going on
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: in my body.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, your body responds differently, I think when you're the
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: mom and I, yeah, I've just been surprised by that
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: because I'm I'm normally a pretty chill person, but I
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: just have no chill when it comes to her.
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: Jessica's getting more sleep than me right now, which is crazy.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: She gives me five and a half hours and then
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: she'll go back to sleep for four more hours.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So, like this is what triggers me, and I
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: like say it with humor because like I think the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: word trigger is kind of like funny and like absolutely
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: overviews and ridiculous. But like you, guys, I have an
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: eight month old and he gives me well, on average,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: two hours, no, no, And then on a good night,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: like last night was a good night, and he went
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: from two to five thirty yeah, three and a half hours,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: and it was like.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, just he alive. Yeah, Dawson was better
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: at this age.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: But then when the like five month regression happens, he
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: regressed for like ten months.
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: Love.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he was better, like he would sleep.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: For like maybe four or five hour stretches at this point,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: at the point that you're at now. But like, my
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: kids just don't sleep, like they're just not good sleepers,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: hating it's particularly an awful sleeper. Every kid and every
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: pregnancy and every delivery is different, and that is what
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I'm learning.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't do any like no, we're lucky.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, yeah, you didn't like sleep train and
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: it's not like that she just happens to sleep.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: For five hours no. Yeah, And I'm happy for you, guys,
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: it's very nice. I'm truly happy for you.
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: Jessica is doing some training though, like she is on
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: a plan in a pretty tight schedule.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're on.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: A tight schedule, and I think that's been helpful with
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: her just kind of being chill.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: She knows when to expect that she's getting things.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, so she knows when to expect to feed and like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: and now when did you start getting on that schedule?
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Two weeks?
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: Like she knows what she's going to be playing, Like
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: when she needs to stay awake, she knows like fifteen
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: minutes four feeding time, Like she starts to get fussy,
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: it's wild, Like she really like you, she'll know she
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: knows what she's supposed to be doing at every moment
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: of the day.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: Right, do you have the most highly intellectual child ever?
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: Wow, she's so advanced to wow, she can't keep her passing.
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: Don't you love that that at that age that the
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: pacifier is just gigantic on their face?
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: This thing so funny.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: So sweet.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: All right, well, we're happy to hear that.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: You guys, you know that you are recovering so well
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: physically that you know you might need some more time
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to get there emotionally and mentally.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: But we're here for you. And you have the best
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: husband who is there for you as well. I do.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: He's been the best. He's been so supportive.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: He makes me feel normal when I am having a
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: hard time feeling normal.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: He's loved me insanely well when I probably don't deserve it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: He's such a good dad too. Watching bim be a
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: dad is like the coolest thing in the whole world.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just like I get like I mean, I
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: obviously my role right now is very limited, but today
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: I had a really busy day Jess. I was like,
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: I want to hold Winny, and so jess brought her in.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: I was holding her, and all of a sudden, I
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: was like, I haven't done anything in twenty minutes.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Like I just like, it's wild how.
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: Peaceful it is just to stare at her. Yeah, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: it's been a very peaceful season for me. So I
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: think in closing here, because I know we're going to
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: close up like there. I think we talked about it
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: at the one week like kind of follow up, but
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: I didn't reckon. I don't think I could put words
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: to it then. But like for many reasons, Jessica and
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: I started to get we we had a good lot.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: We had a good thing.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: Going here right with a dog and a good house,
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: and we loved our walks and our dinners, and I
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: got really worried towards the end of Justice's pregnancy that
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: that was all going to change in a drastic way.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: And I didn't realize how like stressed I was about that.
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: But honestly, for the last five weeks, like things have changed,
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: but only for the better, Like our dog loves winning,
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: and like when I saw when I saw them together,
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: obviously I broke down for the first time. Like I
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: think I just was feeling so much stressed that I
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: didn't realize that like once I see life being so beautiful.
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: Now I'm like in a really cool season of like
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: peace and joy and like every day I wake up
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: just feeling this like enormous amount of like gratitude and
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: so that's.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Been cool for me.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: And I didn't realize how stressed I was until like
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: a couple of weeks ago when I told Jessa was like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: I haven't felt this kind of peace in so long,
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: and I'm just loving this, Like so yeah, I mean
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: I don't know even with the hard stuff, it's like
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: but we're still doing it together and life's better and
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: I'm happy and we're going to make.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: This thing work.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Let's normalize Dad pre pre labor stress, because like, guys
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: have so much stress leading up to it, and I
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: don't think they're very vocal about it because they feel
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: guilty about it. They're like, she's carried the child for
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: nine months. Why do I have to pumplain it's gonna
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: come out of her body?
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But Jared had the exact same thing before Hayden.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: He was so stressed about it and then he you know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the baby's there, and you're like, oh, I can relax.
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: But guys, you know, like.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: It's a real thing.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: It is like and what you just said is exactly right,
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: Like you don't want to start bringing it up because
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: you're like, this is this is unnecessary, like this is crazy.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: And then it's just been five weeks of not like
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: all easy, but it's been peace and excitement and joy
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: and and I'm really grateful for that because I was
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: I think I was carrying it for a long time.
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: M hmm.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm so glad we did this, and I'm
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: so happy for you guys, and I truly am happy
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: for your sleep. It's really really great, especially if you're
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: having anxiety, Like I want you to have the mental rest.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm very grateful for it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: We have.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: We have some big ones with little Winny over here?
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah here, so say goodbye? Is me close by?
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Whinny?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: So cute? Your so?
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: She's seriously so cute.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: She is so cute.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: Hold her up one more Time's.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: The best family picture with me? Let me get let
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: me not choke you? Why I do this?
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: There you go so cute.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Oh the guys are going to be really good. I
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: know this all right, Well, guys, thank you. Until next time.
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