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243: Portrait of a Podcast · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Dick Miller, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: It's showtime, folks. Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 5: Provide more cooling in the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 6: To your sentinels, we have a rebound.
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  Speaker 7: What's he got to be so morose about? Maybe he
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  Speaker 7: hasn't found something to believe in.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, he says he believes in art.
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  Speaker 5: But all I've seen him do is dribble his own
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  Speaker 5: blood on a canvas and smear it around with a stick.
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  Speaker 7: You know, some people call that art.
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  Speaker 9: It's crap!
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  Speaker 10: It's crap!
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  Speaker 7: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian and
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  Speaker 7: I'm coming to you live in a digital recording from
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  Speaker 7: the Hilltop Tavern and we're in the midst of the
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  Speaker 7: Movie Geek Art Show. The world famous Movie Meltdown sponsored
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  Speaker 7: Movie Geek Art Show.
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  Speaker 11: Brian, are you drunk?
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  Speaker 7: I've had sody pop. I am a square, if you will.
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  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, you could be a rumbus every once
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  Speaker 11: in a while.
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  Speaker 7: Those are fighting words. Don't be calling me a rumbus.
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  Speaker 7: So that would be Vyoka.
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  Speaker 8: Hi.
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  Speaker 7: If you remember from last week, she was our guest
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  Speaker 7: for that conversation, which was a huge conversation. It was
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  Speaker 7: so important that we had to break it up into
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  Speaker 7: two separate episodes because we were covering, you know, like art.
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  Speaker 11: This is news to me, by the way.
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  Speaker 7: Most things are, really.
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  Speaker 11: This is the game we're playing.
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  Speaker 9: I see.
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  Speaker 7: You are also a featured artist in this show. Which
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  Speaker 7: I did want to address. Does somebody have special feelings
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  Speaker 7: towards Jeff Goldblum?
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  Speaker 12: I do.
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  Speaker 11: How candid can you really be on this show?
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  Speaker 7: We are on the internet. We can say whatever the
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  Speaker 7: fuck we want.
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  Speaker 11: I used to smoke a lot of weed.
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  Speaker 12: And my euphemism for smoking weed was, hey, I'm going
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  Speaker 12: to go hang out with Jeff for a while. Because
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  Speaker 12: my friend caught me in front of a video saying,
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  Speaker 12: watching this... It was a video loop of Jeff Goldblum laughing,
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  Speaker 12: and he came in, and he saw that, and he
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  Speaker 12: never let me live it down.
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  Speaker 11: So that's what it became called. And those days have passed, and.
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  Speaker 7: Are you sure?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, because I get the fear, like Bill Burroughs. I
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  Speaker 11: can't do it, man.
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  Speaker 12: But I wanted to do a series of paintings about that,
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  Speaker 12: and so you got Jeff Goldblum with his shirt off.
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  Speaker 11: That's what we got now.
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  Speaker 7: Which I was just kind of referring to as the
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  Speaker 7: glamour shot.
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  Speaker 6: I mean.
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  Speaker 11: That's from the movie, man.
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  Speaker 13: And then.
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  Speaker 7: Who was it yesterday? Somebody was kind of excited by that.
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  Speaker 7: And then was hoping, I think it was Steve that
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  Speaker 7: was hoping you could do a special one without the
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  Speaker 7: dinosaur with him with his shirt off.
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  Speaker 11: I think that's what's funny about it.
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  Speaker 7: Because why is there a velociraptor? Well, then I suggested
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  Speaker 7: putting him on a bearskin rug.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I wanted it to be like a beautiful fresco
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  Speaker 12: of him pointing to God and God be a velociraptor.
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  Speaker 11: Maybe he was like pointing his claw. I am sober.
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  Speaker 7: At this point, I'm picturing God going, whoa, I don't
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  Speaker 7: know you, buddy. Don't be pointing to me.
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  Speaker 8: I mean.
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  Speaker 13: Jeff Goldblum.
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  Speaker 11: The masters did it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: This is a strange, strange thing. So that is what
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  Speaker 7: you're claiming is your inspiration.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Those were fun times. So I had to. Jeff Goldblum's funny, though, really.
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  Speaker 7: He's a character.
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  Speaker 11: I like Jeff Goldblum a lot.
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  Speaker 7: He's very special, that Jeff.
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  Speaker 11: He's got a good laugh.
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  Speaker 7: And he must go faster.
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  Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 7: In several movies, he must go faster.
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  Speaker 11: That's his thing, man. Everybody's got their thing.
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  Speaker 7: So, aside from, you know, Beautiful Losers, which we'll get
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  Speaker 7: back to in a minute, have you seen any movies lately?
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  Speaker 11: Have I seen any movies lately? Man, not any that
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  Speaker 11: I want to talk about. There's some that you can't...
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  Speaker 11: You're hiding your movies?
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  Speaker 12: Well, even when, like, you say it's the radio on
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  Speaker 12: the internet and I can say anything I want, some
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  Speaker 12: of these movies I shouldn't share with other people.
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  Speaker 7: You know, they're... Personal things?
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  Speaker 11: Nighttime movies.
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  Speaker 7: You can share those. I've said many a horrible thing
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  Speaker 7: about myself.
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  Speaker 11: Well, honestly, I'm a nerd, and I only watch documentaries.
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  Speaker 7: You are a nerd.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, and it's, like, it's to the point now where, like,
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  Speaker 12: everything in my brain is narrated by an English person
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  Speaker 12: because of all the documentaries I watch.
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  Speaker 11: They're mostly, like, BDC.
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  Speaker 12: So I have an English person, you know, like, talking
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  Speaker 12: to me about, like, my French fries and in my homework,
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  Speaker 12: in my office stuff.
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  Speaker 11: And it's like David Attenborough.
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  Speaker 12: He's like, and now here's the spreadsheet in its natural environment.
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  Speaker 12: Because it's all I listen to. So, I mean, I
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  Speaker 12: told you. I mean, they're movie pictures.
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  Speaker 7: In your head.
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  Speaker 12: Well, they were on the screen. That's how I got
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  Speaker 12: the English actor voice.
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  Speaker 1: In my brain.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm going to have to start, like, requesting that
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  Speaker 7: you watch really mainstream like boring only.
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  Speaker 12: If you watch selah with me maybe if you watch
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  Speaker 12: 120 days of sodom with me then i'll do that i.
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  Speaker 7: Mean i don't want to watch those movies either but
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  Speaker 7: i feel like to balance out your you know your
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  Speaker 7: your fancy documentaries i'll have to find something with explosions
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  Speaker 7: or something.
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  Speaker 12: I mean modern modern marvel's explosions i freaking love that
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  Speaker 12: show Back in my Jeff Goldblum days, that's all I watched.
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  Speaker 12: It was really, it was a bad time. It's like,
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  Speaker 12: you know, just an exercise in banality, I guess.
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  Speaker 11: I don't know what else to say. Documentaries are riveting, right?
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  Speaker 7: They can be. There are some that.
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  Speaker 3: Are really good.
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  Speaker 12: Did you see that one about Cropsey, the scary monster
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  Speaker 12: off Staten Island?
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  Speaker 7: I've heard really good things about that. I have not
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  Speaker 7: seen it yet.
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  Speaker 11: You heard really good things about Cropsey?
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  Speaker 9: Cropsey.
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  Speaker 11: The actual monster?
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  Speaker 7: The monster that kills people. Hey, he's doing the God's
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  Speaker 7: work if you ask me. I mean, a lot of
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  Speaker 7: people need to be taken out. Cropsey's taking care of them.
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  Speaker 11: You think most of the people on the Charlie Hopps
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  Speaker 11: circuit need to be taken out?
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  Speaker 12: Wait, they should buy the paintings first and then get
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  Speaker 12: taken out by Cropsey?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, I like this. They should support us and... they
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  Speaker 7: can get their feet wet and buy a t-shirt. And
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  Speaker 7: then they can buy your Jeff Goldblum, the two that
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  Speaker 7: aren't sold already. And then.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 11: This is news to me as well.
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  Speaker 7: When I got here today or yesterday, one of them
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  Speaker 7: had a little tape marked on it.
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  Speaker 11: Did it say banned? Like, don't bring this to this establishment.
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  Speaker 7: What is wrong with this girl? But then I think
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  Speaker 7: it also said sold. So somebody else out there might
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  Speaker 7: have a Jeff Goldblum thing.
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  Speaker 12: What if it was Jeff himself?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I saw them earlier, but he looked at those
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  Speaker 7: and went, that guy?
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  Speaker 9: Really?
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  Speaker 7: And then he went over and looked at those kitty
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  Speaker 7: cat ones, and he really liked those.
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  Speaker 11: Those are really cute.
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  Speaker 12: I kind of wish my cat Milo would put on
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  Speaker 12: a scary mask of someone else's skin and chase me
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  Speaker 12: around the house and maybe put me in the refrigerator.
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  Speaker 7: Or be burned and horribly disfigured.
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  Speaker 11: Or that.
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  Speaker 7: Because that was my favorite last week.
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  Speaker 11: Good grief.
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  Speaker 7: Do we want to acknowledge any other parties?
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  Speaker 15: Yes.
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  Speaker 13: Taylor.
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  Speaker 7: Would you like to be brought in on this?
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  Speaker 11: Taylor is my boyfriend and very best friend, and this
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  Speaker 11: is true.
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  Speaker 7: Do you claim her at this point? I mean, after
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  Speaker 7: this display, you still claim her?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sorry. All right, so have you seen any movies
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  Speaker 7: that weren't documentaries lately?
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  Speaker 13: We watched Super 8 last night.
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  Speaker 12: I didn't want to admit that because I thought that
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  Speaker 12: was kind of square, but I did watch that.
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  Speaker 13: I saw Square. It was good.
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  Speaker 7: Do you like the entirety of the movie?
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  Speaker 13: More or less, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like it loses its way, like, halfway in.
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  Speaker 7: I love the first part. Like, that first half with
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  Speaker 7: the kids.
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  Speaker 3: Is, like, amazing.
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  Speaker 7: And then, I don't know, by the end, I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: I don't really even care about the monster. And I
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  Speaker 7: like monsters. But I was just like, it seems like
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  Speaker 7: it loses its focus or its part or whatever.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: It just seems like it gets caught up in that story,
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  Speaker 7: and I don't even care about that story. I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: go back to the kids because I really like the kids.
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  Speaker 13: Well, it went on a little long, I thought.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: But, you know, it was good. It was Spielberg doing
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  Speaker 13: his thing.
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  Speaker 7: It was Spielberg not being Spielberg, because it's just weird
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  Speaker 7: that it feels so much like Spielberg, and he didn't
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  Speaker 7: really even direct it.
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  Speaker 11: I know, because, like, it was real Goonies, and it
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  Speaker 11: was real.
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  Speaker 7: It was so Spielberg.
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  Speaker 11: What was the other thing?
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  Speaker 7: It was E.T., man. Yeah. It's definitely, you can see
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  Speaker 7: all these, like, mid-' 80s eras of Spielberg-esque kind of stuff,
• 9:24
  Speaker 7: but I'm like, JJ, back off that guy. He's just
• 9:28
  Speaker 7: so moving in on his territory.
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  Speaker 13: Well, Spielberg pays for it. You've got to kind of
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  Speaker 13: do it his way.
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  Speaker 7: To me, wouldn't you be a little creeped out if
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  Speaker 7: you were Spielberg? You'd be like, man, really? Quit jacking
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  Speaker 7: my movies. It seems like he would be a little like,
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  Speaker 7: just do your own thing. Don't worry about mine.
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  Speaker 16: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: It would be weird to be producing a movie that
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  Speaker 7: looked so much like your own work. That seems strange
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  Speaker 7: to me.
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  Speaker 11: Spielberg actually had J.J.
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  Speaker 12: Abrams strapped and tied down for the duration of the
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  Speaker 12: film's making.
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  Speaker 7: But it's okay. J.J.
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  Speaker 3: 's into it.
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  Speaker 11: Right. But that's why that happened that way. Spielberg, as
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  Speaker 11: we all know, is a sadist.
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  Speaker 7: Kind of. A little bit. We've all seen Hook.
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  Speaker 11: I love that movie.
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  Speaker 7: How did I know that was coming?
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  Speaker 11: I hate, I hate, I hate Pizza Pan. Why did
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  Speaker 11: I paint that?
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  Speaker 12: Because that's like way better. Like, oh, that's what I'm
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  Speaker 12: going to do next time. I'm just going to do
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  Speaker 12: a whole show of just Hook.
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  Speaker 7: Rufio.
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  Speaker 12: Rufio.
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  Speaker 11: Did you like Hook?
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  Speaker 13: I don't remember very much of it.
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  Speaker 11: Block it out.
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  Speaker 7: Block it out.
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  Speaker 11: Don't listen to her. Are you crazy?
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  Speaker 16: It's really bad. Do you have a leak?
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  Speaker 11: That's a good movie.
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  Speaker 7: So anyway.
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  Speaker 11: They can't see you shake your head on the radio.
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  Speaker 13: They know.
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  Speaker 7: Who's crazy? They were all doing it at home. Right now,
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  Speaker 7: they were just like, oh, it's not.
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  Speaker 11: You guys at home. This girl is drunk. No, no.
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  Speaker 12: No, I'm a boss about this, and I haven't even started.
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  Speaker 12: But listen, you guys know out there that when you
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  Speaker 12: watched Peter Pan fly for the first time, you guys
• 11:00
  Speaker 12: got that little flutter in your stomach. You know that
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  Speaker 12: you want to eat that Play-Doh food.
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  Speaker 7: In the Disney animated? Yeah, yeah. I got that little
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  Speaker 7: special feeling.
• 11:07
  Speaker 11: Don't even hate on Robin Williams because he's awesome.
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  Speaker 7: I like Robin Williams when he can deliver something that's
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  Speaker 7: not so Robin Williams-y.
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  Speaker 11: What about his hairy arms, though?
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  Speaker 7: They're hot. I mean, that's totally hot. I mean, you've
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  Speaker 7: seen his chest. I mean, Jesus, that's nothing. I was
• 11:19
  Speaker 7: forgetting about Robin Williams so much. Well, I was just
• 11:21
  Speaker 7: complaining about that the other day. Have you seen the
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  Speaker 7: commercial for that show that he's got now?
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  Speaker 11: I don't have a television in my life.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my Lord.
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  Speaker 7: You're one of those people.
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  Speaker 11: How did I get on the show?
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  Speaker 7: No, they're giving him like, they're like coming back to television,
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  Speaker 7: Robin Williams. And like, I'm like, okay. But then like
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  Speaker 7: within the 30 seconds that he's on screen, he's doing
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  Speaker 7: the most Robin Williams bit I've ever seen. I'm like,
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  Speaker 7: can't he just be like, what's the one where he's
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  Speaker 7: developing photos and killing people?
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  Speaker 11: Before you write Robin Williams off.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not totally writing him off. I just, I like
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  Speaker 7: specific performances.
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  Speaker 12: Do you remember that movie where he was blue and
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  Speaker 12: he was in that lamp? He came out and was
• 11:58
  Speaker 12: acting all crazy.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 12: And then, like, he had to get his kids back,
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  Speaker 12: so he dressed as a woman to, like, do that.
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  Speaker 11: And that was real weird.
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  Speaker 12: And then you remember when he had a partner and
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  Speaker 12: he lived in Miami and he tried to, like, get his, like,
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  Speaker 12: kids to get married and stuff?
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  Speaker 7: You watch all your movies on YouTube in, like, five-minute
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  Speaker 7: super blocks, right?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 12: And then you remember that one part where, like, he
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  Speaker 12: was getting really old really fast and then, like, he
• 12:21
  Speaker 12: wanted to graduate high.
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: School and he was, like, 40.
• 12:22
  Speaker 7: I remember J-Lo.
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  Speaker 17: And then.
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  Speaker 12: Every time I think about that movie, I think about, one,
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  Speaker 12: him hissing. There's a part where he's hissing, and I
• 12:30
  Speaker 12: don't know why. And, two, the red gummy bears. I
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  Speaker 12: thought it was really romantic that he gave those red
• 12:34
  Speaker 12: gummy bears to her.
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  Speaker 11: That was a good Robin Williams movie.
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  Speaker 8: Was it?
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  Speaker 7: That whole movie.
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  Speaker 16: Okay, that whole thing. Oh, oh, oh.
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  Speaker 11: And you remember when he lived there a long time?
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  Speaker 12: Like for like 200 years, and he was a robot,
• 12:45
  Speaker 12: and then he died and had to go find his
• 12:47
  Speaker 12: wife in hell?
• 12:48
  Speaker 13: Remember that?
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  Speaker 7: I remember one movie, and it's called Popeye.
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  Speaker 11: That movie.
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  Speaker 7: And you don't need anything else. It's all about Popeye.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, Robert Altman got it right.
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  Speaker 16: Oh, yeah.
• 13:02
  Speaker 7: Shelley Duvall knocking out the hits. I mean, come on.
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  Speaker 7: There's nobody hotter than Shelley Duvall. Okay, I can't even
• 13:09
  Speaker 7: say it. But Popeye's a good movie. Come on. You
• 13:13
  Speaker 7: can't fight that.
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  Speaker 11: What about Toys, though?
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  Speaker 7: Toys is a perplexing movie.
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  Speaker 11: I think I know.
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  Speaker 7: We've got it on the list. We're going to do
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  Speaker 7: a whole Toys episode soon. We've already called it. It's recently,
• 13:25
  Speaker 7: oddly enough. We called it before.
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  Speaker 11: I asked Bo to do it on Midnight Movie, too.
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  Speaker 7: Bo was, like, he was all for the Toys episode,
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  Speaker 7: so he'd be.
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  Speaker 3: Up for it.
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  Speaker 11: This is, man, that'll be a weird night.
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  Speaker 7: It's all coming together. As long as we can get
• 13:39
  Speaker 7: a special appearance in the theater by LL Cool J.
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  Speaker 11: A head is like a shark's fin.
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  Speaker 13: You remember that?
• 13:47
  Speaker 11: You remember that?
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  Speaker 7: I think I'm blocking that.
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  Speaker 11: You know his name stands for Ladies Love Cool J?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, I just had to share that in case... No
• 13:54
  Speaker 11: one knew that.
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  Speaker 7: In case people are not 50 years old.
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  Speaker 13: That's a really long name.
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  Speaker 11: Ladies Love Cool J.
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  Speaker 7: Well, he shortened it.
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  Speaker 12: But what's J stand for? J. That irritates me for
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  Speaker 12: some reason.
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  Speaker 13: Juice. Ladies Love Cool Juice.
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  Speaker 7: He's got the juice.
• 14:09
  Speaker 8: That's true.
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  Speaker 7: On a hot day.
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  Speaker 11: So you don't get scurvy.
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  Speaker 7: We've all seen him on CSI. I mean, he's got
• 14:14
  Speaker 7: the juice.
• 14:14
  Speaker 10: Really?
• 14:14
  Speaker 16: He's on CSI?
• 14:16
  Speaker 7: You need to get it on one of those TVs.
• 14:17
  Speaker 11: I live under a rock.
• 14:18
  Speaker 13: He had a Kool-Aid stand as a kid.
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 14:21
  Speaker 13: And that's what it was called. Ladies love cool juice.
• 14:25
  Speaker 13: And he was like, Shockerberry Finn.
• 14:27
  Speaker 11: And then he became a rapper.
• 14:30
  Speaker 7: I hear his Kool-Aid brings all the girls to the yard.
• 14:32
  Speaker 13: That's right. He was actually a Kool-Aid guy first, and
• 14:36
  Speaker 13: he still has Kool-Aid in his heart.
• 14:38
  Speaker 7: Don't we all?
• 14:39
  Speaker 11: Diabetes. And then he lost his foot to diabetes.
• 14:44
  Speaker 7: Okay, we're cutting you off. I like that all of
• 14:48
  Speaker 7: your gestures are made holding the martini glass. Keep that
• 14:53
  Speaker 7: in mind, listeners.
• 14:54
  Speaker 11: It's almost all spilled on me at this point, so
• 14:57
  Speaker 11: it's all good. I'm not really drinking it. This is
• 14:59
  Speaker 11: for show. I like to sit with it.
• 15:01
  Speaker 7: That seems to be the case. So with that, I
• 15:05
  Speaker 7: think we should get into this week's discussion. Oh, we haven't.
• 15:09
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 15:10
  Speaker 7: Which is more of you rambling on about craziness. But
• 15:13
  Speaker 7: at least then you were a little more focused.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: About your arts.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: Because art is important, people. Not that Robin Williams movies aren't.
• 15:20
  Speaker 12: But if you can combine the two, if you can
• 15:22
  Speaker 12: do like an installation piece of just his hair on
• 15:24
  Speaker 12: his arms. Maybe like a whole hallway.
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: Could it be like giant and then you could walk
• 15:28
  Speaker 7: through it?
• 15:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah, like a double dare.
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: I'm on board with this.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:32
  Speaker 7: I'm on board with this. See if you can get
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: a grant to put this together.
• 15:36
  Speaker 12: I'm sure.
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: I think we really should.
• 15:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 15:38
  Speaker 11: They give the Turner Prize to anybody.
• 15:39
  Speaker 7: If there's anybody listening that would like to donate towards this.
• 15:42
  Speaker 12: Please.
• 15:42
  Speaker 16: Kickstarter.
• 15:43
  Speaker 7: Just send it to Movie Meltdown and then we won't
• 15:45
  Speaker 7: really use it for that. But we need money. More martinis.
• 15:48
  Speaker 13: Just saying.
• 15:49
  Speaker 7: So we will take a break here and we will
• 15:51
  Speaker 7: go down the block and go to a quieter location.
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: Good night, Neverland. And have a big discussion about art
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: and movies and Beautiful Losers.
• 16:01
  Speaker 9: And then.
• 16:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll round things out after that. Cheers.
• 16:05
  Speaker 16: We're a very special show.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: It's martini time.
• 16:33
  Speaker 13: Hey, buddy, you got the time?
• 16:34
  Speaker 18: No, I don't got a watch to spare a dime.
• 16:41
  Speaker 19: No, but I got two arms and a couple of lines.
• 16:44
  Speaker 19: Guess what that means?
• 16:46
  Speaker 16: It's marketing time.
• 16:53
  Speaker 9: Let's all go to the lobby Let's all go to
• 16:57
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• 17:01
  Speaker 5: Get ourselves a treat Delicious things to eat The popcorn
• 17:08
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• 17:13
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• 17:17
  Speaker 5: the lobby To get ourselves a treat Let's all go to.
• 17:22
  Speaker 9: The lobby to get ourselves a treat.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: You are seeing scenes from the next motion picture to
• 17:33
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• 17:37
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• 17:42
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• 18:05
  Speaker 1: is Adam, and this is a story of Adam and evil.
• 18:09
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• 18:14
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• 18:21
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• 18:26
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• 18:32
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  Speaker 8: It's time for Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't really a gallery. It was more of like
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: a party spot.
• 19:23
  Speaker 20: It was just a place where a bunch of different
• 19:25
  Speaker 20: people who are into super creative stuff used to just
• 19:28
  Speaker 20: come and hang out and get inspired by each other.
• 19:30
  Speaker 21: And now it was really just.
• 19:32
  Speaker 20: A bunch of like bored kids, like a bunch of
• 19:34
  Speaker 20: dumb bored kids. These people were speaking a language that
• 19:38
  Speaker 20: was my language.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: It was like a language that You.
• 19:41
  Speaker 20: Didn't have to be smart to understand, you know what
• 19:44
  Speaker 20: I mean? All you had to do was have a heart,
• 19:45
  Speaker 20: you know, and that was enough.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: I was always super inspired by that.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: Into a different area, that's kind of what I wanted
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: to talk about, was that that's one of the things
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: I did like in this. They touched on it a little,
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: not a ton, but the fact that that little group
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: that they were with, they included everybody as part of
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: that group. So you had Harmony there making movies. I mean,
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: and I think, you know, we've even... focus so much
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: on painting and drawing but like i like that they
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: were including everybody in their little group of misfits even
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: like okay he's making films this guy's in a band
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: this kid skateboards and like he's they were grouping them
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: in like you know their their physical activity was even artistic.
• 20:26
  Speaker 21: Yeah for the sake of just having fun that's what
• 20:28
  Speaker 21: i that's the one theme that i really liked about
• 20:31
  Speaker 21: is that's what sort of knitted together I mean, like
• 20:33
  Speaker 21: I said, I felt like it still kind of drifted
• 20:35
  Speaker 21: from one subject to the next in sort of a
• 20:37
  Speaker 21: lackadaisical way. But, I mean, I did like that that
• 20:40
  Speaker 21: was the overall theme. It was just, you know, do
• 20:42
  Speaker 21: your own thing.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:45
  Speaker 14: For some reason, I thought the documentary about kids skateboarding
• 20:50
  Speaker 14: was actually much more exciting to watch, though. If you saw,
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: what was that, Dogtown and Z-Boys?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 14: And I never got into skateboarding at all.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: I always wanted to as a kid.
• 21:03
  Speaker 21: But, like, up until I was 18, once I stopped, well,
• 21:07
  Speaker 21: my feet stopped growing, my shoes were always, my shoes
• 21:11
  Speaker 21: were always the same size as my age. Like, it
• 21:13
  Speaker 21: was a joke in my family.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:17
  Speaker 21: So, I could never, like, I was, my feet didn't
• 21:20
  Speaker 21: fit on, like, they didn't fit right on the skateboard. Like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 21: I've even had friends who were like, well, no, I
• 21:24
  Speaker 21: know people who have, like, big feet and skateboard and
• 21:25
  Speaker 21: they don't like showing off.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: Uh they like give me a weird look and it's
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: like yeah yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 21: You're probably right but i always wanted to like because
• 21:33
  Speaker 21: it was cool back then i was like i want
• 21:34
  Speaker 21: a skateboard and it was just yeah and yeah she's
• 21:37
  Speaker 21: now making the why don't you get two skateboards like
• 21:39
  Speaker 21: or why don't you get a long board.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: I got you know one thing to say rollerblades.
• 21:44
  Speaker 22: That's what you find them in my size you can't
• 21:46
  Speaker 22: do that can't because probably just have to pay you
• 21:49
  Speaker 22: would have skating rinks it's like We only go up
• 21:51
  Speaker 22: to 13, so it's just you sit and you go
• 21:53
  Speaker 22: play the arcade while my brothers have fun.
• 21:57
  Speaker 14: Well, that's why I didn't skateboard, because my brother got
• 22:00
  Speaker 14: into it really early on, and he was so weirdly
• 22:03
  Speaker 14: good at stuff like that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: I just, screw it, I'm not doing it. But see,
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: that kind of goes back to what we're talking about
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: with drawing, too.
• 22:09
  Speaker 21: It's like if you're around somebody who's so much better
• 22:11
  Speaker 21: than you, it emasculates you.
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: It's like.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: It's sort of that same idea.
• 22:17
  Speaker 14: Well, I never did anything athletic anyway, so it wasn't
• 22:20
  Speaker 14: like I was giving.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: Up a lot of ground. But the first time I
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: saw him skateboard... Think of what you could have been.
• 22:27
  Speaker 14: He stood on his hands and went downhill on this
• 22:30
  Speaker 14: hill on our street.
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: That's awesome.
• 22:32
  Speaker 14: And when he got to the bottom, he started walking up.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: And I was just like, fuck this.
• 22:36
  Speaker 14: I don't want to skateboard.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: What are they, $ 60?
• 22:38
  Speaker 14: Skateboarding's stupid. And that was even the dorky kind of
• 22:43
  Speaker 14: skateboarding that everybody was doing. But in the movie, you
• 22:47
  Speaker 14: see these kids in California. They wanted to surf, but
• 22:52
  Speaker 14: they can't surf. So they got skateboards and they tried
• 22:55
  Speaker 14: to imitate their favorite surfers. And they came up with
• 22:59
  Speaker 14: this style that is like the thing now. But when
• 23:03
  Speaker 14: they first did it, they went to competitions and people
• 23:06
  Speaker 14: didn't know how to judge them because they were just
• 23:08
  Speaker 14: doing something nobody else was doing. And yet they did
• 23:12
  Speaker 14: pretty well. And there was one of them, the one
• 23:15
  Speaker 14: kid they all thought was a genius, would just make
• 23:18
  Speaker 14: stuff up as he went. They'd never seen him do
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: that move before. He would just And when some of
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: them started getting successful and getting endorsement deals and stuff,
• 23:30
  Speaker 14: he quit. It's just like, no, it's not fun anymore
• 23:34
  Speaker 14: for me. And he went to prison for something, probably.
• 23:37
  Speaker 21: But it's funny, the same appreciation that the film gives
• 23:39
  Speaker 21: for things like skateboarding, it reminds me of whenever Jackass
• 23:44
  Speaker 21: the movie came out. and critics were panning it, and
• 23:47
  Speaker 21: Roger Ebert embraced it. He's like, this is like true self-expression.
• 23:51
  Speaker 21: He's like, seriously, because these guys are doing something just
• 23:55
  Speaker 21: for the love of it, and it's almost in the
• 23:58
  Speaker 21: vein of old vignettes with Buster Keaton or Chaplin. It's
• 24:02
  Speaker 21: a modern permutation, and it's also grotesque in its own way,
• 24:08
  Speaker 21: but they're... they're true to themselves versus so many other
• 24:12
  Speaker 21: artists where it's just they're trying to do something, you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 21: to market. It was an interesting review to read, like,
• 24:17
  Speaker 21: because Ebert, well, I mean, it was always the idea
• 24:20
  Speaker 21: of it's not what it's about, but how it's about it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 21: And he's like, how they went about it is pretty unique.
• 24:27
  Speaker 21: So it's interesting to read his commentaries on that whole crew.
• 24:31
  Speaker 21: He was one of their, like, staunch supporters, which you
• 24:34
  Speaker 21: wouldn't expect.
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: Well, I think there's always, like, it's how you approach it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: And I guess that's, you know, it's how you're looking
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: at it when you're doing whatever it is you're doing.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: It's like, are you trying to do something artistic with it?
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: Or maybe not even you're not that high-minded, but even
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: something like I've said as I've done this process, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: it's like I even look at the way that I
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: piece this together as like I try to look at
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: it from an artistic standpoint, and maybe not as like
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: an original work. I think of it more as like
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: an audio collage. And it's like, okay, so how do
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: I piece this stuff together to make it better than
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: it could be? Not just slapping things together, but like,
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: how do I structure it so that it's more entertaining?
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: How do I layer this thing in or juxtapose it
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: with this thing? And like, in the end, that has
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: become one of my favorite things. I was talking about that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: I was on that You Ate It podcast. And like,
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: he's just been doing it for like this last year.
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: And he was talking about the way that he does stuff.
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: And I'm like, mine has become a lot about how
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: do you structure it? And when I sit down to
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: put it together, how do I want to put it together?
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: And I feel like I try to do it with
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: some creativity. I don't know that everybody else agrees or cares,
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: but like, I think something even as simple as that
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: is like piecing audio clips together and trying to do
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: it in a way that, that comes out better than
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: it could be. And I don't know. I think that's,
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: it's just how you look at it. I mean, same
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: thing with like the filmmaking aspect. It's like, you could
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: just go film stuff and be done with it. But,
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: somewhere along the way, somebody started going, well, what if
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: we just shot it like this? And, like, now we've
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: got all these different styles, and we've got all these
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: different types of shots that, like, somebody got kind of
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: imaginative and creative, and, like, I think it's all how
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: you do it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 14: In the old days, you couldn't do jump cuts, because
• 26:19
  Speaker 14: people wouldn't know where they were. You couldn't show a
• 26:21
  Speaker 14: guy walk up to his house and then suddenly be
• 26:24
  Speaker 14: in a room.
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: What happened? Time passed.
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: But the language of Just piecing it together evolves.
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: That's what you're doing, and we know what Bo does.
• 26:36
  Speaker 14: I'm curious what other people are really getting satisfaction out
• 26:41
  Speaker 14: of lately. My thing lately, like the only art I
• 26:45
  Speaker 14: can do is when I get to do life drawing,
• 26:48
  Speaker 14: but I haven't been able to do that. So I've
• 26:50
  Speaker 14: been playing guitar in an empty parking lot at about
• 26:53
  Speaker 14: 3 in the morning.
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: I like you.
• 26:54
  Speaker 23: Nice.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: That's what I do. There's alcohol involved.
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: I was going to say, is this a public area
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: that you've taken over?
• 27:02
  Speaker 14: It's not your parking lot.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's out in the back of my house.
• 27:05
  Speaker 21: He asked me, like, a couple weeks ago if he
• 27:07
  Speaker 21: could do it, and I said that was fine.
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: You're like, there's that weirdo up my lot again.
• 27:12
  Speaker 21: There's nobody in the parking lot at this time of night,
• 27:14
  Speaker 21: so it's cool. Yeah, so that's what I do. I
• 27:17
  Speaker 21: get off work.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: If he wasn't drinking, I'd let him go do it
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: up on the roof instead.
• 27:21
  Speaker 14: It's funny how often people come by and, like, Talk
• 27:24
  Speaker 14: to me. One guy came up and started rapping, and
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: I have it on video, too.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: Because I was working out a new idea, and I.
• 27:32
  Speaker 14: Wanted to remember it, so I had my laptop set up,
• 27:34
  Speaker 14: and this guy walks up and starts.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: He was pretty good.
• 27:38
  Speaker 14: I've seen him like two or three times since then.
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: There's always a bunch of weirdos out in the middle
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: of the night.
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Like you.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: Like me. Exactly, yeah. So that's what I'm doing. What
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: are you doing?
• 27:52
  Speaker 12: I'm really, really... obsessed right now with drawing on the
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: smallest pieces of paper possible and i can't stop like
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: my sketchbooks progressively get smaller and uh because i keep
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: them and i i probably fill one um i don't
• 28:09
  Speaker 12: know like within two months or something but now it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: like post-it notes and it's professional wrestlers on post-it notes
• 28:15
  Speaker 12: i don't know i don't know man i don't have
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: any like.
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: Your goal is to have your artwork on a stamp,
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: but you want to do it the actual size, then
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: hand it to them.
• 28:24
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: Normally, they do it much larger, but now you've got
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: a goal.
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: That's pretty cool. And just pens. Like, just ink. See,
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: I wanted to do a show, and I'm going to
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: do it. It's just trying to find somebody that actually
• 28:35
  Speaker 12: will let me do it in their gallery. But I
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: want to take all the stationery and stuff that I
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: draw at at my office job, and these, like, really
• 28:42
  Speaker 12: retarded drawings with, like, I just put, like, I write
• 28:48
  Speaker 12: stuff on, it's out of context, or I draw, like, wrestlers, or, like,
• 28:51
  Speaker 12: just anybody, and I want to take them and, like,
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: blow them up to, like, just an insane size. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 12: you see, like, all the lines, and, you know, and
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: you see, like, the inconsistencies in the lines because there's, like,
• 29:02
  Speaker 12: a ballpoint pen on paper.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: You know, billboards, I think, I.
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: Know, I know, we were talking in the net, like,
• 29:08
  Speaker 12: my little light came on. Yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 13: Yes!
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: I like to.
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: Do that. I like to do weird videos and I
• 29:15
  Speaker 12: like to write stuff and publish books.
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: Seeing that all of that should be grouped in.
• 29:21
  Speaker 12: I just try to do everything. I do music.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: It's fun.
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: I just like that we usually brand art as just
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: the painting, drawing side of it. But I like when
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: this gets a little more broad and I think it
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: could go, I mean, you could almost do another documentary
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: that just sort of looks at how it spills over
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: into everything. But yeah, I like when everything gets kind
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: of grouped in as art instead of just what usually
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: hangs in museums.
• 29:51
  Speaker 14: Well, and it ought to be because it's been a
• 29:53
  Speaker 14: long time since visual art was really the premier art concept.
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: It's been a long time, but it has.
• 30:01
  Speaker 14: It's like those colleges that got a reputation a couple
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: of decades ago and that lives on, although all the
• 30:08
  Speaker 14: faculty's dead and new and changed. But there's this kind
• 30:13
  Speaker 14: of grandeur about visual art so that people who are
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: clearly doing other arts like to call themselves artists as
• 30:22
  Speaker 14: a title to remind you that it's a form of art. Like,
• 30:27
  Speaker 14: I've never understood why performing artists were different from people
• 30:32
  Speaker 14: who do theater. Because that's what people who do theater,
• 30:36
  Speaker 14: that's what they do. And they say, well, you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 14: but it's not traditional theater. Yeah, a lot of times
• 30:41
  Speaker 14: it's not.
• 30:42
  Speaker 17: There's untraditional theater out there.
• 30:44
  Speaker 14: Yeah, there's a tradition of untraditional theater. So I don't know.
• 30:49
  Speaker 14: That's kind of a funny thing that people do. They
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: have to, like, add the word art to art.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: To remind you.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: Now, again, this is not that it hasn't been going
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: on forever, but now there's such a focus on the
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: culinary arts.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: And that it is an art form, which it is.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: God bless those people. Yeah, I mean, compared to the
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: way I open a can, I mean, it's an art form.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: People are taking food more seriously than they used to. Yeah,
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: a lot more.
• 31:15
  Speaker 14: Food history.
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: I think it's the television that has anything to do
• 31:18
  Speaker 12: with that.
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 31:19
  Speaker 14: I haven't watched any of the food things. I do
• 31:21
  Speaker 14: get into, like, I have got into, like, food as
• 31:24
  Speaker 14: kind of a hobby, though.
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: Like eating hobby?
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Making food. Oh, I got an eating hobby.
• 31:30
  Speaker 21: I mean, the same as in film, too, because people
• 31:33
  Speaker 21: come up and it's like, what art films do you
• 31:35
  Speaker 21: have right now?
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: All of them?
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's sort of.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: It depends on what your definition is.
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's perspective. Yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: Know.
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: I guess it's also sort of how you find your style.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, I did.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: to throw it over. I, I, a long time ago
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: did an interview with you, a print version back in
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: the day. And I remember even then asking, like, I
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: said it downstairs. I think you've come up with like
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: a very distinctive visual style and it's sort of almost
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: your own. I don't see a lot of other people
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: that do what it is that you do. How did
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: you come to that? I guess, because I feel like,
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: At some point you were probably drawing kitty cats like
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: every other little kid. So how do you fast forward
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: to what you do now, which is a very distinctive
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: thing that you do?
• 32:21
  Speaker 17: I think for me it was, I got, in college
• 32:23
  Speaker 17: I got really into printmaking. And then I got really
• 32:26
  Speaker 17: tired of the buildup of the prints. Like, you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 17: I had all these prints underneath my bed. And I
• 32:29
  Speaker 17: was like, well, what am I going to do with
• 32:31
  Speaker 17: these now? So then I went through that weird phase
• 32:34
  Speaker 17: where I was like, I'm going to quit making art.
• 32:36
  Speaker 17: But I couldn't stop. So I started painting. But that,
• 32:39
  Speaker 17: to me, I wanted that same element of layering and
• 32:43
  Speaker 17: painting that I got with the prints. So I started
• 32:46
  Speaker 17: just playing around. Like when I was doing the layers,
• 32:48
  Speaker 17: it would be like these collage journals that I did,
• 32:52
  Speaker 17: and I would copy them, and I'd throw that down
• 32:54
  Speaker 17: as one layer. And then I'd do a really transparent
• 32:56
  Speaker 17: layer of the same thing but different imagery on top
• 32:58
  Speaker 17: of that, and then just build up from there. So
• 33:00
  Speaker 17: that's what I've been kind of playing with is it
• 33:03
  Speaker 17: started with text, and then it was like patterns, but
• 33:05
  Speaker 17: I had to develop all those things.
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: So.
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: That's what I did.
• 33:09
  Speaker 17: And then it was like, well, what do I put
• 33:10
  Speaker 17: on top of all that?
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: Cause now it's just a mess of color.
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: You can pick things out, but it's still a mess
• 33:15
  Speaker 11: of color.
• 33:15
  Speaker 17: So then I started playing around with figures to, um,
• 33:19
  Speaker 17: create more of a story.
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: I think it's progressed. I mean, even since then, like
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: that was what, five or six or eight years ago,
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: however long it was ago. And I think even now,
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: like it's a leap forward as to seeing what you're
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: doing just from that, you know, short span of time there.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: It's like you, it's, you still continue to move forward and,
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: even within that same style, it progresses and kind of
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: grows in its own weird organic way.
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 17: Well, and now I have that confidence of, Oh, okay,
• 33:47
  Speaker 17: it's going to go this way and this way. And
• 33:49
  Speaker 17: it'll veer off course, of course, but all right.
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: How do I create something?
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 33:54
  Speaker 12: How do I evolve that on some level?
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: I'm always seeking that out.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: It's fun.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: And messy. That's why you have that studio.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: Do you want to claim a story as to how
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: you came to yours?
• 34:14
  Speaker 24: Well, I graduated from UofL with my BFA this past December,
• 34:19
  Speaker 24: and that was actually a rather traumatic experience for me.
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: Graduating?
• 34:24
  Speaker 24: Well, no, just going through art school.
• 34:27
  Speaker 25: We've talked a lot about your initial need to create
• 34:30
  Speaker 25: when you're a child, and I felt I have come
• 34:33
  Speaker 25: to feel like art school is Did it supposed to
• 34:36
  Speaker 25: suck that out of me and make me think about
• 34:38
  Speaker 25: it from an intellectual point of view? You know, why
• 34:40
  Speaker 25: are you doing this? Have you seen this artist? They
• 34:43
  Speaker 25: are doing this, but they are doing it better. You know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 25: that sort of thing.
• 34:46
  Speaker 14: This is me.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 24: It was pretty, it was a pretty bad, I mean,
• 34:50
  Speaker 24: I had a pretty bad experience.
• 34:51
  Speaker 25: I don't think everybody did, but I think for my personality,
• 34:54
  Speaker 25: it just wasn't, it just wasn't a good match for me.
• 34:56
  Speaker 25: And so now since I've been out of school, I've
• 34:58
  Speaker 25: felt like I'm trying to reclaim my that initial.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: Trying to unlearn art school.
• 35:04
  Speaker 9: Exactly.
• 35:05
  Speaker 25: And so now I'm painting Still Lives of Onions in
• 35:08
  Speaker 25: my basement just so that I'm painting and I'm practicing
• 35:13
  Speaker 25: but there's no content there and I'm not worrying about
• 35:17
  Speaker 25: what's so-and-so going to say about this.
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: Which is how it should be.
• 35:21
  Speaker 25: My technical skills and then working towards, you know, when
• 35:26
  Speaker 25: I feel ready, then I can work towards more conceptual work,
• 35:30
  Speaker 25: but just had to go back to basics and exactly
• 35:33
  Speaker 25: try and unlearn everything that's been put in my head
• 35:36
  Speaker 25: for the past four years.
• 35:37
  Speaker 21: I don't know if it's this way with art school,
• 35:39
  Speaker 21: but I've talked to friends who've gone off to film
• 35:41
  Speaker 21: school and they've said pretty much it's almost the same
• 35:43
  Speaker 21: thing when it comes to making movies. And they've said, really,
• 35:46
  Speaker 21: you don't necessarily pick up so many tricks of the trade,
• 35:51
  Speaker 21: but it's almost like this weird trade-off to where it
• 35:54
  Speaker 21: can suppress your desire to have fun at it. But
• 35:57
  Speaker 21: the trade-off is you're, make contacts.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: Like, that's the only thing. I don't know if that's
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: the case, though, with art school.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: But then you're just making contacts with people who also
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: aren't being very creative. So you've got this little group
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: of people.
• 36:10
  Speaker 21: That's the whole thing I'm wondering is just, you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 21: and I've had this talk with people who want to
• 36:15
  Speaker 21: go into, you know, theater as well. Just because, you know,
• 36:19
  Speaker 21: the one fellow I used in my films, Bob Moak,
• 36:22
  Speaker 21: you know, it's like he did theater for like 45 years.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: All around the country.
• 36:27
  Speaker 21: And he's like, I never went to acting school. I
• 36:30
  Speaker 21: actually never even auditioned. I actually, you know, he accidentally
• 36:34
  Speaker 21: got into it and it just like, it was a
• 36:36
  Speaker 21: domino effect. So it's like, I guess in a very
• 36:39
  Speaker 21: roundabout way, I'm asking, was it worth it to you
• 36:45
  Speaker 21: to go, or anyone? It's like, is it worthwhile to
• 36:47
  Speaker 21: go to college for the arts? I think it's just,
• 36:52
  Speaker 21: for me, I didn't major in art right away. It
• 36:57
  Speaker 21: kind of like, became the thing i could graduate in
• 37:01
  Speaker 21: soonest at some point strategy i was taking drawing the
• 37:05
  Speaker 21: whole time and uh and i was at ufk i'd
• 37:10
  Speaker 21: taken all the drawing they wanted me to take until
• 37:12
  Speaker 21: i took painting and i just didn't react to paint
• 37:15
  Speaker 21: as a material and it didn't even occur to me
• 37:18
  Speaker 21: that well a lot of painters don't paint anyway i
• 37:20
  Speaker 21: can do something but um yeah i had a problem
• 37:24
  Speaker 21: with paint as a material uh And I went to
• 37:27
  Speaker 21: Murray where they had a drawing program where you can
• 37:30
  Speaker 21: do that, but I didn't really find the kind of
• 37:35
  Speaker 21: aesthetic that I could relate to there. But, you know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 21: there are always students who you can relate to, and
• 37:44
  Speaker 21: there are a lot of different students who have different sensibilities,
• 37:47
  Speaker 21: and some of that can be really exciting. But sometimes
• 37:51
  Speaker 21: you just find people you can respond to and have
• 37:55
  Speaker 21: a kind of conversation with you can't have with anybody else.
• 38:00
  Speaker 21: There were a couple people.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: There that I met like that.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 38:05
  Speaker 14: I loved college, but in the end, I did a
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: year of graduate school in printmaking, and I just decided
• 38:11
  Speaker 14: I can't see art and the academic.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Life for me.
• 38:16
  Speaker 14: That's what I was going to do. I was going
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: to teach art.
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: That was the plan.
• 38:20
  Speaker 14: And at some point, my work started going sour on me,
• 38:24
  Speaker 14: and I wasn't happy with it, and I couldn't do
• 38:26
  Speaker 14: anything about it. And both my parents were college teachers.
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: My mother still is. Still teaching after all these years.
• 38:35
  Speaker 14: She's the longest employed faculty member at her college.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: And I just didn't want to do it.
• 38:44
  Speaker 25: I don't know.
• 38:46
  Speaker 14: We all have various things that make certain things that
• 38:50
  Speaker 14: should be easy, difficult for us.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 38:56
  Speaker 14: It's like, why can't I just do that now?
• 38:59
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 39:00
  Speaker 14: Now I've got stipulations, I've got concerns, I've got issues. And,
• 39:06
  Speaker 14: you know, you try and work with them and maybe
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: you find a way to do what you want to
• 39:11
  Speaker 14: do at some point.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I.
• 39:16
  Speaker 17: I saw art school as, like, I was always battling
• 39:19
  Speaker 17: with my teachers. They never really agreed with what I
• 39:22
  Speaker 17: was making. But I just kind of saw it as
• 39:24
  Speaker 17: a chance to learn the techniques. And so I always
• 39:26
  Speaker 17: kind of knew I was going to paint, but at
• 39:28
  Speaker 17: the same time, I took one semester and one summer
• 39:31
  Speaker 17: of painting and then I threw it away because I
• 39:33
  Speaker 17: realized that I could do that in a basement I
• 39:35
  Speaker 17: could do that in an attic I could do that
• 39:36
  Speaker 17: in a corner I didn't need the big school labs
• 39:40
  Speaker 17: to work on it so I did surface design I
• 39:43
  Speaker 17: did printmaking and I learned a lot of discipline and
• 39:47
  Speaker 17: that I appreciate but I didn't really become an artist
• 39:49
  Speaker 17: until after.
• 39:50
  Speaker 26: Yeah, that's what I took away from school and knowing
• 39:53
  Speaker 26: that now I wish that I had just gone to
• 39:55
  Speaker 26: like a technical school and just learned the discipline of
• 39:59
  Speaker 26: getting myself in the studio every day and just the.
• 40:01
  Speaker 24: Technical skills that I need. But as far as trying
• 40:04
  Speaker 24: to broaden your conceptual work in a school environment, it
• 40:09
  Speaker 24: just doesn't really operate because school is all about homework
• 40:14
  Speaker 24: assignments and structure and lesson plans and how do you
• 40:17
  Speaker 24: let your own individual style blossom, you know, under those stipulations.
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: So I've said that about schooling anyway, and maybe it's
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: just cause I don't like to, I obviously have a
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: bad experience with it, but, and, and this will be
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: interesting since we have one, someone who works in the field, but, um,
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I've always felt like it's different. I mean,
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: high school is just sort of caps it off. But
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: after that, I've always been like everything college based just
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: seems like it's all just set up to drag it
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: out as long as possible. Um, make things cost as
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: much as possible for as long as possible.
• 40:50
  Speaker 12: And a party.
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, and that doesn't help any. Like that seems
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: like it drags everybody down too. So I'm just like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: to me, like that technical school idea. I'm like, why
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: don't we just have those set up to you could
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: get in and out and learn what you need to
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: learn and then just go get a job. Like if
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: there are people that that's all they want to do,
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: they could do that in like, you know, six months,
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: a year tops, and they could work damn near any
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: job out there. But we drag it out for four
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: or many years longer, depending on who it is. And
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: I'm like, it's, I don't know. I think that's part
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: of the problem with the way that things run in
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: our little world anyway. But, I mean, it's so much
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: more ridiculous when it's anything art-related. Because there's, yeah, there's
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: so little that you just need to kind of get
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: techniques down. And you need to get a little practice
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: maybe under your belt. But, like, the artistic end of it,
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: you're going to find on your own one way or another. So,
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: I don't know. It just seems like that's all part
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: of the big scheme.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: You're going to find it or you're not.
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: Or you're not but if you're not you again that's
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: dragging it out like eventually you'd get out in the
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: world and you realize this isn't what i want to
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: do and you'll go get a job and you know
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: you'll you'll not do that but you'll come to it
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: on your own terms you won't have it drug out
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: for years and keep doing homework assignments that you probably
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: don't really care.
• 41:59
  Speaker 14: About for me college was overwhelmingly a good deal for
• 42:04
  Speaker 14: one is my parents like that's all they ever wanted
• 42:06
  Speaker 14: like if we got college degrees we could die and.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: They were just so glad that i wasn't in prison
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: by that point well you know.
• 42:15
  Speaker 14: They were super supportive so i there's still time easier
• 42:19
  Speaker 14: time than a lot of people did like i wasn't
• 42:21
  Speaker 14: very conscious of paying for it i just got the
• 42:25
  Speaker 14: catalog and this looks interesting yeah And I'd go, yeah, sure,
• 42:29
  Speaker 14: take that. And other people, I'd see them working out
• 42:31
  Speaker 14: degree programs. I'm like, are they, did they fail something?
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: What happened to them?
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: What did they do?
• 42:36
  Speaker 14: I just took what I wanted to take like an idiot.
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: And I really liked it.
• 42:44
  Speaker 14: And I don't think art school was very good for me,
• 42:48
  Speaker 14: but I don't think it was because it was a
• 42:53
  Speaker 14: bad experience. It was just I didn't really connect with
• 42:57
  Speaker 14: the people that it would have worked better. I did
• 43:01
  Speaker 14: some with some students and with some teachers. And although
• 43:05
  Speaker 14: I was a drawing major, I hung out in the
• 43:07
  Speaker 14: 3D area, like the sculpture area at Murray was really good.
• 43:13
  Speaker 14: And there was something about them having all the tools there.
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: And people would go there. And so I made these
• 43:22
  Speaker 14: stupid fucking sculptures just so I could hang out because
• 43:26
  Speaker 14: that seemed like the place... That was productive and supportive. Although,
• 43:31
  Speaker 14: you know, I'm not a sculptor really. But everybody always
• 43:35
  Speaker 14: liked my sculptures. I always had a buyer for every
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: one of my sculptures.
• 43:39
  Speaker 21: Nice.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: But, you know, I was just down there because that's
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: where the cool people were.
• 43:43
  Speaker 21: And that's actually something, if anything, it's like I haven't
• 43:45
  Speaker 21: drawn for a while, but I've like sculpted. Just not
• 43:49
  Speaker 21: so much like sculpting. For the sake of making sculpture,
• 43:52
  Speaker 21: but sculpting to do, like, the different makeup and prosthetic pieces.
• 43:56
  Speaker 21: And for me, that's, like, such a relaxing thing. Like,
• 43:58
  Speaker 21: that was the highlight of my summer this year, and
• 44:01
  Speaker 21: last year was just spending, like, 12 hours in the garage. Like,
• 44:04
  Speaker 21: the only time you go in is to get something
• 44:05
  Speaker 21: to eat, and you come back out, and you just
• 44:07
  Speaker 21: go back into it. You know, even though I was
• 44:09
  Speaker 21: making very, like, grotesque things. Because, you know, this one
• 44:12
  Speaker 21: I had to make, like, a prosthetic parasitic twin for somebody.
• 44:16
  Speaker 21: It's like, I don't know, just giving it, like, the
• 44:17
  Speaker 21: little personality. I'm still in love with it.
• 44:20
  Speaker 12: You know what I mean?
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: It's... See, that's like a whole new thing. Charming. You know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: the special effects kind of stuff. I mean, that has
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: always sort of existed, but these last, you know, several,
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: you know, all the way up through 70s and 80s,
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: they really started making an art form. So now there's
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: a tech school for that. And that's one of those that, like,
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: you can go learn what you need to learn in
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: that business.
• 44:40
  Speaker 21: But at the same time, too, it's, you know, I've,
• 44:44
  Speaker 21: talking with people who are in that industry, like John Goodwin,
• 44:49
  Speaker 21: I don't know if you've gotten a chance to talk
• 44:50
  Speaker 21: to him in the past, to make ends meet between
• 44:54
  Speaker 21: makeup jobs.
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: He'll go and he'll teach, you know, makeup art.
• 44:58
  Speaker 21: But, you know, he says now that they're doing the
• 45:02
  Speaker 21: one show, I can't remember the name of it because
• 45:04
  Speaker 21: I've never seen it, the Face Off?
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:07
  Speaker 21: He said now it's become this big thing where everyone
• 45:10
  Speaker 21: wants to go in it. And he's like, it's a
• 45:11
  Speaker 21: dead profession. He's like, there are more people coming out
• 45:15
  Speaker 21: than there are jobs for. He's like, the reason that
• 45:18
  Speaker 21: all these schools are opening up is because... now these
• 45:21
  Speaker 21: makeup professionals can get jobs anymore because everything's moving to CG.
• 45:26
  Speaker 21: And so the very fact that they're teaching all this
• 45:29
  Speaker 21: stuff to make more people that are going to follow
• 45:30
  Speaker 21: the dead ends. And he's like, all of us are teaching.
• 45:33
  Speaker 21: None of us went to school because schools didn't exist
• 45:36
  Speaker 21: back then. It's just, you learn through trial and error.
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: So I, yeah, I just heard that. I was talking
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: to somebody email that lives in LA and they, I
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: think they'd done a lot of stuff in like animation
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: over the years. And it's kind of that same thing.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: They're like, most people in this industry are out of
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: work or almost out of work because i mean so
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: much of it is computer but even more than that
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: is we're shipping stuff overseas now and like everybody that
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: was working in california now either has to move which
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: again you've seen that i mean how many special effects
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: guys have you brought into wonderfest that like they all
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: live in another country now because that's where the work.
• 46:12
  Speaker 21: Is yeah but that's the cool thing about you know
• 46:15
  Speaker 21: going to Bob and Kathy Byrne's house and seeing all
• 46:18
  Speaker 21: the stuff they got there. I mean, it's like American
• 46:20
  Speaker 21: Werewolf in London. You barely see the full final werewolf.
• 46:25
  Speaker 21: And going to their house and just seeing all the
• 46:27
  Speaker 21: work that was put into this thing, you only see
• 46:29
  Speaker 21: it for like 30 seconds in the film.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just awe-inspiring.
• 46:34
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I worked with a guy once who had built
• 46:37
  Speaker 14: sets for movies.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: I'd imagine it's the same thing, too.
• 46:41
  Speaker 14: He said it's really good work if you do carpentry,
• 46:43
  Speaker 14: which is what he did.
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: You get paid really well, but.
• 46:46
  Speaker 14: He said the one thing, you have to resign yourself
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: to putting the finishing touches on a complete street of houses,
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: and they decide not to use it. That's been your
• 46:59
  Speaker 14: work for a month or two, and now we're going
• 47:02
  Speaker 14: to do something else.
• 47:03
  Speaker 21: Last time I was in L.A., I went to an
• 47:04
  Speaker 21: effects house, and they were showing all the practical effects
• 47:07
  Speaker 21: things they'd.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: Made for the prequel to the thing.
• 47:10
  Speaker 21: And the fellow was just so jaded, because they had
• 47:12
  Speaker 21: all these cool creatures, and I'm like, this is fucking awesome.
• 47:15
  Speaker 21: And he's like, They didn't even use it in the film.
• 47:17
  Speaker 21: They just went CG because apparently just the producers came
• 47:19
  Speaker 21: in and said, what?
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: Is this CG? And it's like, well, no. Let's put
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: CG in there. It's like just putting it in there
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: for the sake of putting it in there. It's like
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: this is something that people sculpted and painted and all that.
• 47:29
  Speaker 14: It's like, no, it's not the cool thing.
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: I'm picturing as the producer actually walked in and pointed
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: at it and went, is this CG? Because he really
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: has no idea.
• 47:38
  Speaker 16: That's good.
• 47:41
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think there is something to that, that
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: everything kind of has its own little art, and it's
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: whether you put that work into it. Again, there's people
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: doing hacky special effects out there, and there's people out
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: there doing, like, really good work, and I think that's
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: true across the board with artwork. I did want to
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: venture in because this just happened, and I think it's
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: an interesting question regardless, even if you're not in our
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: little town here. The the tagging incident that just happened
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: a couple weeks ago that was interesting we don't have
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: to like uh address the artist or the store or
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: whatever but we can give the basic setup i mean
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: we have an graffiti artist and he's become in his
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: mind i guess pretty popular because he puts his stuff
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: everywhere and i have like i mean it's all over
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: by you know where i work and where i live
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: like i see it constantly a new one will pop
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: up and i'm like i you know i I don't
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: care because where it's turned up a lot of times
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: is just like, you know.
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: It's just industrial stuff.
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: It's a dumpster or it's the back of a building.
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: I hadn't noticed him doing it on somebody's working building before.
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: I hadn't either really, which I thought was weird.
• 48:48
  Speaker 14: I just saw it like under passes and. industrial stuff
• 48:51
  Speaker 14: and I thought it I liked.
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: It it was an interesting little character and it was
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: very identifiable and that I guess is what comes into
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: play later so the story then goes according to what
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: they're telling us on the news which believe as much
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: of that as you want is then that he had
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: done it on this business downtown that's a very high
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: end gift store kind of thing and they sell their
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: version of art and they sell you know a lot
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: of other knickknacks and, you know, and that kind of thing.
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: And so supposedly he tagged their store on the building
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: itself is what they say. And then in a way,
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I kind of liked, like, if that
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: were the case, I kind of thought that their response
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: to it was funny is they took his artwork, put
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: it on a t-shirt and started selling the artwork. And, and,
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: Some of the reasoning was also because they had to
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: pay to have that painted over, which, you know, if
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: that's the case, that kind of sucks for them, too. So,
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know. There's so many problems with
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: all of this. I don't know. I wanted to get
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: everybody's take on that because that, like, there's so many
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: layers to art.
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: The guy showed up.
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: And then he showed up, which, again, is a whole
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: other layer. He came in.
• 50:03
  Speaker 18: A scuffle.
• 50:03
  Speaker 16: A scuffle.
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: And kind of threw a fit and tried to take
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: all the shirts and run out of the store.
• 50:08
  Speaker 14: Because he said it's his copyright.
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: Even if it wasn't, I guess he feels like that's
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: his creation. But then, I don't know. Then I was
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: kind of like, well, if you put it on their building, is.
• 50:21
  Speaker 12: It your creation? Because you can't just be like, I'm
• 50:23
  Speaker 12: vandalizing things.
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:24
  Speaker 12: And I did it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: Okay?
• 50:26
  Speaker 12: So you put yourself out there for, like, you know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 12: if you can't travel.
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: Can you trademark a crime? You know, I'm like, is that?
• 50:31
  Speaker 12: You can't sell it. I feel really bad for him.
• 50:33
  Speaker 12: I was like, that sucks all around.
• 50:35
  Speaker 11: Like, it's all around.
• 50:36
  Speaker 17: It's funny, too, because, like, I was talking to a
• 50:38
  Speaker 17: friend about it, and they were like, he was so, nobody,
• 50:40
  Speaker 17: you know, he was kind of along the lines of
• 50:41
  Speaker 17: the Banksy.
• 50:42
  Speaker 12: He really didn't know who he was.
• 50:43
  Speaker 17: He wasn't, you know, he was doing all this. And
• 50:46
  Speaker 17: then to suddenly go into the store and do what
• 50:48
  Speaker 17: he did doesn't fit.
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: It doesn't work.
• 50:50
  Speaker 12: It's like, what?
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 14: It almost seems like Is that really the guy?
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: I know, I kind of wondered that too, because none
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: of this really seems like, like again, even putting it
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: there didn't seem like his move, and then that response
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: just seems like a childish, like I'm going to go
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: in and throw a tantrum in the middle of your
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: store because you did this that, I don't like what
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: you did, but obviously they didn't like what you did
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: either if this is the same person.
• 51:16
  Speaker 14: I know a little bit about intellectual property, and I
• 51:18
  Speaker 14: believe he does have a copyright to his work, It's now,
• 51:24
  Speaker 14: it wasn't always this way, but it's automatic when a
• 51:26
  Speaker 14: work is created. You legally have a copyright, but if
• 51:31
  Speaker 14: you want to protect your work, you need to register it.
• 51:36
  Speaker 14: And also you might not want to distribute it freely
• 51:41
  Speaker 14: in public and even somewhat more than freely uninvited.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 51:47
  Speaker 14: That hurts the case that this is something you can
• 51:50
  Speaker 14: protect because it doesn't look like you're trying to. Because
• 51:53
  Speaker 14: anybody can take a picture out on the street and
• 51:56
  Speaker 14: your work might be in it. And that doesn't make
• 51:58
  Speaker 14: it your property. It's a public thing.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: I guess I was on the side of it. Put
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: it on a t-shirt.
• 52:06
  Speaker 14: I might have got one of those t-shirts.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: That's the thing.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: I was like, if he was smart, what he should
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: have been doing was making his own damn t-shirts. Because
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: everybody in town knew that. They knew that character. They
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: probably liked it. Most people I knew thought it was
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: kind of fun.
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: You wouldn't even have the screen print. Just spray paint
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: it onto black t-shirts.
• 52:25
  Speaker 14: And not everybody knows this, but the guy at the
• 52:28
  Speaker 14: gallery is also an artist. And I feel that he
• 52:34
  Speaker 14: appropriated it.
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: I thought it was an interesting response to it because
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: people are always complaining about when they get tagged and
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: I'm just like that, that's a different way to go
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: with them. I'll give them that. That's, that's, it's, it's smart.
• 52:48
  Speaker 14: I thought it was kind of sarcastic and funny comment
• 52:52
  Speaker 14: to take it and put it on a shirt because
• 52:54
  Speaker 14: that's not, yeah, but to me, graffiti kind of is
• 52:57
  Speaker 14: what it is. It's graffiti. When you divorce it from
• 53:01
  Speaker 14: being graffiti and, It's kind of not the same thing anymore.
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: And that's the same thing. You transform it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 14: It's as if somebody was standing there wearing a T-shirt
• 53:10
  Speaker 14: and somebody came up and tagged him.
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: It's funny. Well, and that's one of those. It's a
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: very different art form. You're not putting it on a
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: specific canvas. You're not containing it somewhere. You're putting it
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: on something else. So when you do that and you
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: just let go of it, is it no longer yours?
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: It's different when you sell someone a canvas. But when
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: you're not doing that, when you just put it somewhere,
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: are you like assuming that it is not your art anymore?
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: You're just letting go of it.
• 53:37
  Speaker 12: How would you guys even react to seeing your art?
• 53:41
  Speaker 12: Like if somebody like your art was so popular that
• 53:43
  Speaker 12: somebody made a bootleg. of your art like that and
• 53:46
  Speaker 12: sold it. Cause I can't help to think that I
• 53:49
  Speaker 12: wouldn't be flattered.
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: That makes sense.
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: I kind of would be too.
• 53:52
  Speaker 21: Cause whenever I've gone to like China, both times, I
• 53:56
  Speaker 21: bring a bunch of copies and everywhere I go, I
• 54:00
  Speaker 21: just leave a copy. Like if I'm in an airport,
• 54:02
  Speaker 21: I just leave it on the chair and I walk off.
• 54:03
  Speaker 21: Cause I don't care about like making money with them.
• 54:05
  Speaker 21: I like, I just want people to like see them
• 54:07
  Speaker 21: and enjoy them. So it's just, whenever I go somewhere,
• 54:10
  Speaker 21: it's just, or if I'll go to a hostel, they'll
• 54:11
  Speaker 21: always have like, you know, the common movie area.
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: I'll just leave a copy there. And that's like the idea.
• 54:15
  Speaker 21: That, you know, somebody eventually, I even like it at
• 54:19
  Speaker 21: the hostels. You always have like all the big bulletin boards.
• 54:21
  Speaker 21: I'm like, if you want a free movie right here
• 54:23
  Speaker 21: and I don't say what it is or anything, I
• 54:25
  Speaker 21: just put my, that's good. Just say right to this
• 54:28
  Speaker 21: address and I'll give you one for free. And it's,
• 54:30
  Speaker 21: just to see if I'll get anything back. I never
• 54:32
  Speaker 21: really have, but maybe one day.
• 54:34
  Speaker 12: That's what I think, too.
• 54:35
  Speaker 21: Like, the first time they'll ever come in, like, I'll
• 54:37
  Speaker 21: get a little envelope. It's, like, just blank inside.
• 54:39
  Speaker 16: I'm like, oh.
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: It just says, give me a movie.
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: Like, I'll be so excited.
• 54:43
  Speaker 21: I don't care that I have to pay, you know,
• 54:45
  Speaker 21: 20 bucks to send it to someone I don't even know.
• 54:47
  Speaker 14: It's like, Yeah, when I used to have my mock
• 54:50
  Speaker 14: newspaper out in, like, newspaper stands, one day I was
• 54:53
  Speaker 14: driving by and saw somebody putting coins in the box.
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: It was just the greatest day.
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: To take the picture.
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: You, hold still.
• 55:01
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and I think that's, like, the thing that, I
• 55:03
  Speaker 12: don't know what went down with those two people, but
• 55:07
  Speaker 12: it's just, like, I kind of feel like maybe there's
• 55:09
  Speaker 12: a point missed there. From both sides. Yeah, maybe, like,
• 55:14
  Speaker 12: pride was hurt in some way. But, man, that's just
• 55:19
  Speaker 12: really cool. Like, I would be totally like, look, they
• 55:22
  Speaker 12: got my shirt in there.
• 55:23
  Speaker 13: Like, in a way.
• 55:24
  Speaker 14: It would be different if he just asked for the
• 55:29
  Speaker 14: usual commission that gallery artists get. Or if he didn't
• 55:33
  Speaker 14: want them out there, he's going to have a hard
• 55:35
  Speaker 14: time preventing it because it's out there.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: Because everybody's seen it.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: I can take it and put it on a shirt.
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: Anybody can put it on a shirt.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, I kind of, I've seen different levels of that,
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: good and bad. I do remember, like, and again, this
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: goes back years ago, some of the early art shows
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: that we were putting together, and I came up with
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: a silly little character that, again, was about four years old,
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: looks like the level of the person who drew it,
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: but that became, like, the thing. Like, I don't even
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: know what made it become sort of the general character
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: of the running show, but, like, it ended up on
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: all the posters. Then after a while, it just became conscious, oh,
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: that's what we're going to throw on there. But in
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: the beginning, it just happened. And that's what ended up
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: on the poster. And then it so I started putting
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: those posters out there and hanging them around town. So
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: this is sort of a fine line from that. This
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: is just a flyer version of that. But on the
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: good end, I have to say at one point, like
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: there was a weird little like thrift store place and
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: they had this hallway that you would go into and
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: they would always like hang up all these like stuff
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: cut out of magazines and stuff. And I went in,
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: I don't know, a year or two later to give
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: them another flyer for a new show, and that character
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: was cut out and stuck on the wall back there.
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: That was kind of awesome. I took a picture of it.
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: I was like, look, it's still there. And it stayed
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: there until that place closed. It was always there, and
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: that was kind of cool. Now, I guess the flip
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: side of that would be that same character, then when
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: money got involved at some point, we signed on to
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: do to make our show part of the big function
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: that was going on in this little neighborhood fest thing.
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: And then someone else got involved in making not just flyers,
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: but they were making banners, they were making postcards, and they,
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: at some point, I guess they wanted, like, the art
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: to showcase our art show. Well, the whole thing was
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: sponsored by a beer company, as most of these things
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: in the world are, and they took that character and
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: put a beer in his hand. I did not appreciate that.
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: Mostly because they didn't pay me anything for it, you know?
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: So I guess it's that same thing. It's like.
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: They didn't put a beer in your.
• 57:40
  Speaker 16: They didn't, yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, like, I guess... I didn't want it anyway
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: because I felt like I didn't want my... You know,
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: that's our character that was the entire show. You know,
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: I felt like it was representing the whole thing that
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: we've been doing. And so I was like, it doesn't
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: really have anything to do with beer. It seems... forced
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: and stupid and i don't really personally want it but
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: at the same time i was also like well if
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: you did this with anybody else wouldn't you pay them
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: for their artwork and like if you were going to
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: use it wouldn't you like.
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: It's just a nice it would have been nice sort
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: of thing yeah.
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: Which they again they they claimed you know there was
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: some sort of missed communications along the way even within
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: their little group and they had no idea this was
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: this and this person was supposed to do that whatever
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: bullshit but like in the end i was like they
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: ended up having to make new banners and like, I
• 58:28
  Speaker 7: kind of wanted one. I don't know where they went now.
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: I was like, I sort of wanted it just to
• 58:32
  Speaker 7: be able to prove the story was true.
• 58:33
  Speaker 12: Doesn't it seem though, like, um, that there, that the, the,
• 58:38
  Speaker 12: I guess the greater populace that they feel that there's
• 58:41
  Speaker 12: no value in art because like for, I don't know,
• 58:43
  Speaker 12: you guys have had to have this happen to you.
• 58:45
  Speaker 12: Like people just come to you and like, draw me
• 58:47
  Speaker 12: a picture.
• 58:48
  Speaker 10: Mm-hmm.
• 58:48
  Speaker 12: They stop what you're doing. And it's almost like they're
• 58:50
  Speaker 12: giving you, like, a gift.
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: A gift.
• 58:53
  Speaker 12: By, like, giving you something to do.
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: Letting you do that.
• 58:55
  Speaker 11: Like, you love doing that.
• 58:56
  Speaker 6: Like, oh, yes.
• 58:57
  Speaker 12: Because I never think of anything myself. I need someone
• 58:59
  Speaker 12: to tell me what to draw.
• 59:00
  Speaker 14: And they always ask me to do the things that
• 59:03
  Speaker 14: I am really, I have no ability for.
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: Like, I can draw.
• 59:07
  Speaker 14: But they think I can do like sign lettering it's
• 59:11
  Speaker 14: like my handwriting looks like some sort of obscene graffiti
• 59:15
  Speaker 14: no matter what I do I can't do sign lettering
• 59:18
  Speaker 14: or I can but it takes me longer than a
• 59:22
  Speaker 14: normal human anybody else could do it easier than I
• 59:25
  Speaker 14: can but yeah people make assumptions that you're just there
• 59:30
  Speaker 14: as a resource yeah i kind of just had the
• 59:32
  Speaker 14: same thing because i agreed to do the senior video
• 59:35
  Speaker 14: this past year and i had fun doing it because
• 59:37
  Speaker 14: it's sort of like an errol morris like in all
• 59:39
  Speaker 14: years past it was always just the baby pictures juxtaposed
• 59:44
  Speaker 14: with the cap and gowns to like that green day song.
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  Speaker 21: You know oh yeah i can't remember the name of
• 59:50
  Speaker 21: it but.
• 59:51
  Speaker 27: You know exactly that one and then so i just
• 59:55
  Speaker 27: did one where it was just you know it was
• 59:57
  Speaker 27: like i didn't make any set interviews I just put
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 27: them in front of a camera where I was behind
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 27: it and I just let them just battle on about
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 27: whatever and I did it with like all sorts of
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 27: kids from the valedictorian to the kid that wasn't even
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 27: going to walk the line to like this whole mix
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 27: in between the maledictorian yeah the valedictorian.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 21: To the maledictorian and then I just found some way
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 21: to like interweave all their stories and I was just
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 21: like I've never done something like that before and I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 21: like switching genres with each project so it was fun
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 21: but then like all of a sudden as soon as
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 21: I did it like all the parents were like well,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 21: there's this fundraising thing that can be done to help
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 21: out band, or there's this one for volleyball. I'm like,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 21: do you really want me to do what I want
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 21: to do? There's a difference between me doing something the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 21: way I want to do it and me doing something
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 21: that would be school appropriate.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: You should do it.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: All of my projects involve a conjoined twin. Do you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: still want me to do it?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 21: Eventually, somewhere along the way, you're going to get an
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 21: Eric Wareheim sort of product.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 14: I was going to pick you up for one of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 14: those wearable conjoined twins, but I'll have to talk to
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 14: you later about that.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: That's doable.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 21: You'll have to get over the awkwardness of coming over
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 21: and me doing a live cast of your abdomen.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: Because that was the whole thing. It's like, Andrew Vitito
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: is who it was.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 21: And I remember when I was first approaching him about
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 21: doing this, I like brought the whole like book, you know,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 21: because I take all the photos of like all the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 21: stages from like the live casting through the, you know,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 21: sanding it down and trying to get it where it
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 21: looks a lot like the original and the sculpting and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 21: then everything and the casting again. And I was just like,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 21: it's not going to be weird, but I'm going to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 21: need to make.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: A cast of like your abs. just so that way
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: it can go on.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 21: And he was just like, oh, sure, whatever. He was
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 21: like super cool and then just, so, you know, it's just.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 14: Yeah, it gets a little hotter than you'd like doing.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 14: Was it a plaster cast or a rubber cast?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 21: I do alginate and then plaster on the exterior, which
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 21: the plaster, it depends on. Plaster is what gets warmer
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 21: than you'd expect. Yeah, but at the same time, it
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 21: depends on like what the humidity is and how long
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 21: it takes to.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: Dry because you know.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 21: I've done like the full like upper body live casts
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 21: and that's the one where it can yeah it gets
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 21: scary yeah I've never did it on myself but I've
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 21: done it on other people.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 14: That's much less scary doing other people yeah it's doing
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 14: it on yourself.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 21: Well you know I can I've had it done on
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 21: my face but I can pretty much I've done enough
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 21: times where it's like you know I can tell them
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 21: bring something to do with your hands which I realize
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 21: sounds like a euphemism right.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 8: There laughing knitting?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: You might want to bring an enjoined twin. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: Have somebody to talk to.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 21: There's like several shells, or there's a few shells in
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 21: my garage where it's just like heads, hands, feet, abdomens.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: You still have a popcorn monster?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: I keep everything I make. I'm proud of it. Because
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I made it.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: They're like your children. They are.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: Even though they're made of latex and they're.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: Just children they are many parents can say that mine
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: can i think that's true i think um i think
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: that i think a lot of people just don't realize
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: i mean what like what you were saying and because
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: i even i like when we started doing the shows
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: like when it wasn't my four-year-old drawing i'd be like.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 7: Oh cool you know we need a flyer you want
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: to do this flyer and i I still found myself
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: doing it, and now I look back and go, oh,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 7: I guess that's what we're trying to get away from.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: I guess if it's within the little group and everybody's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: sort of working for a general thing, it's a little
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: less obnoxious, but it's still like, I don't know, it's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: still hard to realize that you need to put value
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: on stuff and give other people's work value. I don't know,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: I think a lot of people don't realize that, and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: probably because they think, they have that magic genius thing
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: that happened to them and they can just like, you know,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: create it.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 14: It just comes pouring out.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: It just happens.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 17: And there's a lot of mass produced mass production in
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 17: our society now. So it's like, well, you know, why
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 17: can't I buy your painting for the same price I
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 17: can buy one at Walmart?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 17: It's like, well, there's a billion of those.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 12: I knew somebody who made artist books, you know, he
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 12: brought them in the class and like, um, This girl
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 12: was like, I want to buy one. I'll give you
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 12: $ 10 for it. And he probably spent like six months
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 12: on this, like binding it himself and everything. He was like,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 12: these aren't for sale. It was just like, that was
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 12: the point. That's what happens. It's kind of frustrating.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 14: In film history, they didn't want to pay Ken Kesey
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 14: for the movie rights to Cuckoo's Nest. And they had
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 14: this big drawn-out trial about it. Because they said the
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 14: movie was only going to help the book. And they said,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 14: when the movie comes out, you're going to be first
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 14: in line. And he said, I'm not going to see
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 14: your cheesy fucking Hollywood movie. And he refused to see
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 14: it for a long time. I don't know if he
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 14: ever did see it, but at some point he said, well,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 14: if it comes on TV, I'll watch it. All his
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 14: friends were telling him how great it was and stuff.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: He was like, no, I don't know.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 16: I think J.D.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 12: Salinger was like that, too. That's why there's never been
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: a catcher in the rye.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 21: And Alan Moore, I don't think has ever seen an
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 21: adaptation of any of his stuff either.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 14: I think Anthony Burgess got $ 25 for Clockwork Orange.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: Good grief.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: $ 25.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: Good grief.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: It's a bargain.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 14: John Updike had liked his deal because Hollywood bought all
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 14: of his books and never made any of them. He said,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 14: and then they made Witches of Eastwick. And he said
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 14: it was the most embarrassing thing that had ever happened
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 14: to him. He was just, he had hoped that they
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 14: would just keep buying them and not making them. That was,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 14: he thought, that's the deal. You sell them, they don't
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 14: make it.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 7: It's a pretty good deal, too, actually.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 7: I guess that's like a nightmare that's pretty close to
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: what that tagging, I mean, when someone then gets a
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: hold of your work and does whatever the hell they
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 7: want with it, and it still sort of has your
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: name and your reputation attached to it but now it's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: this new bastardized version of it that you're like i
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: didn't want that at all so.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 14: But it's always going to be kind of like that
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 14: even if you make it yourself.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah i mean you expect if you do it for
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 7: someone else if you're just making it for yourself that's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: fine but anytime someone else even if it's just paint
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: my grandma to make this coca-cola ad you know it's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 7: like somebody's going to come along and go could you
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: change this part? And that's just, I guess that comes
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: with the character.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 21: I think probably an entire show just made of like
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 21: authors to where they were commissioned to do a screenplay
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 21: of their book.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: And it just did not work whatsoever. Look at Frank
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: Miller's The Spirit. It's like the beginning and the end
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: of that.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: What happened there?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: Oh my God.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 12: It's a strange movie.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: It's hard to get through. Yeah.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 14: Did you ever get around to listening to the stage
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 14: musical version of Lolita?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 24: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: It's really good.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 16: It is really good.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 14: It's surprisingly good. Her mother's song just really blew me
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 14: away because in neither of the movies do you get
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 14: enough of a sense of her as a person, but
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 14: you do.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: In that song.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: She has a character, yeah.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 9: Oh, wow.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really pretty.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 12: I didn't even know this existed. That's crazy.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: It's pretty good.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 12: Is it on a video or film?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 14: An actor friend of mine gave it to me. I've
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 14: got the audio.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 7: It was on vinyl at one point. It was the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 7: guy who.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: Did the Bond theme, wasn't it? What's his name?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Was it?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: It was a major composer. John Barry?
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: I think he did the music.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 24: Maybe.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: It's really well done.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 6: I think I gave you that and you gave me
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: that Barbie movie.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: I can't find the Barbie movie.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: Is it lost now?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: I can find you another one. Not that we would
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: ever do that. passing art from one person have you
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: not seen superstar are you not familiar with okay i'm just.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 21: Gonna talk about like one of the barbie like oh
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 21: no i've watched those too okay but those are for
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 21: totally different reasons.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 14: Hotel room and it was fascinating it was the craziest
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 14: thing i've ever seen feeling oh man it was so weird.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: They're weird the new cg ones are creepy i don't
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: know oh man so weird I'm sticking with the bubblegum piece.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 14: I was going to say, the last hotel movie I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 14: was just captivated.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 21: With was when I was in Yunnan over the summer,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 21: and I ended up watching a Chinese dub of The
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 21: Scorpion King, because I'd never.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: Wanted to see it.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 21: I was watching and just hearing whoever was dubbing Michael
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 21: Clarke Duncan, their voice just being very soft, and it
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 21: was just the very antithesis of his voice.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: It was very odd. It was so funny.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 21: And I was just like, I don't even care what
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 21: the movie's about.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: I'm just captivated by the surreal nature of this all.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: It makes it better.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 28: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 14: There was a movie like that. It was one of
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 14: the greatest movies I ever saw when I was a kid.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 14: It was called Aurora or The Witch, and it had
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 14: been dubbed through four languages. And so all the sound
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 14: was out of sync with it, and it had this
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 14: weird underwater quality. And I was watching it late at
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 14: night in the 70s when you have to prop the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 14: antenna and move it every now and then, and it.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: Was barely coming in. It was just the most magic movie.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 14: Finally, I got it again, and it doesn't really hold up.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 14: But it was from a story by William Carlos Williams
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 14: that I looked up and I read the story.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, it's not.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 14: But there's something about that movie and the sound being
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 14: out of sync.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: That had a strange....
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 14: Bizarre obsessive charm to.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 21: It it's almost going back to like Harmony Corrine stuff
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 21: I would like if I just found one of those.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: Movies on like a bad VHS tape.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: That's what he wanted to do like Trash Humpers.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 14: Trash Humpers yeah gosh I love that movie but he
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 14: kind of chickened out he said he was going to
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 14: leave it around he was just going to leave it
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 14: sitting around somewhere yeah.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: Let somebody find it it's funny though in this movie
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: they run clips of like his really early stuff and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 7: I'm watching that and I'm like all I see in
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: that is slacker Like, it looks very, which I never
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: really thought of his later stuff, but he seems very
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 7: much like he's taking from Slacker, which was, like, four
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: years before he was even writing kids. So he had
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: to have seen, like, the Linkletter stuff and started going, well,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 7: I can do that and just make mine a little,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: you know, he's a weirder guy, I suppose, so his
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: stuff gets a little weirder. But, yeah, that was weird.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: I'd never seen his early stuff before this.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 14: I don't know, to me, like, when I saw Gummo,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 14: it was just really hard to believe that that stuff
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 14: was happening, and somebody was there with a camera filming it.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 14: There was this invisible fourth wall thing. It's like, how
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 14: can somebody be there filming this? But his work doesn't
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 14: have that quality for me anymore. It's like, no, I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 14: believe it's being filmed.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: It's very... That's why I'm curious.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: About Spring Breakers. I haven't had a chance to catch that.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: Spring Breakers. It just looks like the very... And tits. Well,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: not and tits. It does. It's kind of totally different.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 21: Yeah, compared to all of his other stuff, which is
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 21: what intrigues me so much about it.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: In a way.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: It loses its way for me.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: For me, too.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 14: It's like, I feel like he's not who he used
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 14: to be.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's free to be somebody else, but.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: I think he still thinks he's who he used to be.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: I think he's trying to be Tarantino.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: I don't see that.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: But I think Tarantino's trying to be Tarantino.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I'm just getting sour. I don't know.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 14: It's just not the same for me anymore.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 21: I mean, even, like, Lynch and his past couple projects,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 21: I feel it's just lost.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: Except the Barbie commercial.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: Those are awesome.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 14: That was fucking brilliant.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: The moral of this is we love Barbie.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 16: Yeah, apparently.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: I guess so.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 14: Did you see the coffee commercial?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we made everybody watch it.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: It's so weird.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: It's really awesome.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 14: It really makes me want to drink coffee.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: He's holding the Barbie head and turning it and moving
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: it and doing the voice and talking to himself. He's
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: a crazy person. He's a genius crazy person occasionally.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: It's some of his best work.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: It really kind of is.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 14: I wish he'd If there was a law that only
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 14: he could do commercials, nobody else is allowed to do commercials.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: They'd be pretty good.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 14: And he could be like, somebody could discover some horrible
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 14: crime he's committed, and he could be sentenced to creating
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 14: commercials for.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: The rest of his life.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 12: I like this.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 7: In a world where only David Lynch could make the commercials.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: I would watch that movie.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 21: It would also change the benchmark as to what commercials are,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 21: and after a while it would become tiresome, and you'd
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 21: be looking for people to do something new, and by new,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 21: going back.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: To the way things were.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: Probably. Eventually.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 14: But they would strike you different after that.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: They would.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: True.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I guess, just sort of wrapping it up,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: I was going to look at, I mean, the way
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 7: that they break it down... in the movie is sort
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: of how everything, again, they go back to that age thing.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: And like, by the end of it, they also like
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: at the beginning, they're giving you that whole, like, you know,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 7: everybody starts off super artistic as a kid. And then
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 7: some people just have it beaten out of them. We've decided,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 7: but then by the end, it's funny that they've all
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 7: like come to a different place in their life. And
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 7: they all are sort of at these, like very seemingly happy,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: but a kind of leveled out version where they've become
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: marginally successful. Like, The exception of one or two of them.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: Most of them aren't household names. Some of them have
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: just gotten to the point where they're making money and
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: they're having kids and some of them die. There was
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: the spoiler, by the way. Didn't see that coming in
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: this documentary. Once again, you kind of have to watch
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: it first to see that one.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 7: Everybody sort of gets to this point where they seem
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: a little different than you do those flashbacks when they
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: were coming up and the hungry artists that they were.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 7: I don't know. Do we feel like I think they
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 7: even build it as your perspective changes as you get older.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 7: Do you feel like the artists themselves become totally different
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: people by the end of it, and that their art
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 7: in turn also does? Or, I don't know.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: It just kind of grows with you.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 7: I think so. Do you feel like that's happening? Actually,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: I kind of said it already was with you. Do
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 7: you feel like it's going to happen, or is currently
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 7: happening with everybody who does anything artistic?
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 12: I feel like it certainly has with me.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 12: I mean, you go from drawing in your margins, your
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 12: notepad of some cartoon character you like, To actually really
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 12: expressing yourself and trying to relate to others via this medium.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 12: Until it just becomes like your identity. And it's not
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 12: just like something to pass the time. So you grow
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 12: with it. It's like some weird growth. Like a parasitic twin.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 7: We love Barbie and parasitic twins.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 12: Of course. Barbie as a parasitic twin.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: I'd like to see that actually. Voiced by David Lynch.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 7: I think we're on to something.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: I was actually in a little movie with Barbie once.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: She's a pain to work with.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 14: I went through the kid movies the other day.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 7: He's kind of a diva.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 14: Like our family videos, there was a film my daughter
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 14: directed that I had to play a scene with Barbie.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: And it reminds me of this. You know that movie Kids?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 14: Like if I was the kind of person who pirated
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 14: movies and had them on VHS.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 7: If you were.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: If I was.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 14: If I was that person, then I would probably have
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 14: labeled it kids. And then one day when I was
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 14: getting ready to send family videos to my grandmother, I
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 14: came that close to sending her Larry Clark kids.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: Oh, check out this cool scene with a skateboard.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: I love that you're making movies with your kids. That's something...
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: My parents were, you know, too cool to be in
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: our little movie store.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 21: We were making them growing up with a family camcorder.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 21: It was just my brothers and I and, like, whatever
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 21: puppets we had. And I'm just thinking it's, like, you
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 21: can always tell, like, the mood of the house because,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 21: you know, you'll have, like, this segment that goes on for, like,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 21: a little too long, and just you hear my mom
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 21: shouting from downstairs.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: She's like, I.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: Told you all once, I want.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 7: You to, and it just cuts.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 6: It just gets back to, with the pun, it's like,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: we're back.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 21: It's like in almost every one of those, there's at
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 21: least one of those moments where she's getting ready to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 21: just chew us out for not doing something and doing
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 21: that stuff.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: You should work that into a current movie now.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: Stopping the record.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that should be in a current movie you're working
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: on now. Every scene ends with your mom yelling at you.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 12: I like this.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so. So I don't know. I do
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: like the way it wraps up. It does sort of
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 7: give it a positive spin, I guess, if you're an artist,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: that maybe your life can work out. Like, everybody seems
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: like most of them didn't OD in an alley somewhere. Like,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 7: everybody seems like, you know, things kind of work out. Again,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: it's a pretty happy movie, so I guess they spun
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: it that way. But I do like they go out
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: on I Don't Want to Grow Up. So that's, you know,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: I think that gives you perspective there.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 14: It would be interesting if they had done it like
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 14: the 7-Up series and just followed people from the time
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 14: they were 7. I think they've got a new installment of.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: That out now.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: Sometimes you don't want to see what happens.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: Looking at that series, you don't.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 7: Want to see what happens.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 9: 56-Up, yeah.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 14: And there was the guy who wanted to be a jockey,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 14: and that didn't work out, and he became a cabbie.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 14: And then he was having some sort of, unspecified marital issues.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: Sometimes things get a little too close to home you
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: don't necessarily want to see it in a movie because
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: you're probably.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: Living it.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 14: And then the one guy he was a kid from
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 14: way out in the on a farm somewhere and he
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 14: he was like a good student and he became a
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 14: scientist and everything was great for him he had a
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 14: great marriage he was teaching he was well respected. And
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 14: then his work just didn't pan out. Just like so
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 14: much science. See, in movies, science always works. But they
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 14: don't show those 100,000 hours of tedium To find Jack's shit.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 14: That was one of the more striking parts of that series.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, that still is true from an artistic perspective
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 7: as well.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I know.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: I mean, think how many hours you work to get
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 7: something that doesn't work sometimes. And then even with artists
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 7: in general, it's like think how many really talented artists
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 7: just never get anywhere because that's almost the science of it.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 7: It's almost just statistics at that point. It's just some
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: people fall through the cracks and it just never happens again.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: And that's the movie we don't see in this one.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 7: Everybody in this ends up kind of happy and they
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 7: have lives and homes. No, not necessarily.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 14: Well, that was the thing about Camille Claudel. I mean,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 14: she had some success, but it just, it was the
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 14: size it was. And then, you know, even if people
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 14: are successful for a while, a little time passes and
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 14: who knows? You know, it's really hard to even want
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 14: to be in that kind of mode of having all
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 14: that attention and having to feed off of it and
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 14: bring something back.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: I think success is overrated.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: Well, it's hard to be remembered. I mean, there are
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: so few artists that are names now. I mean, think
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: how many... have been in the world versus the, like,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: handful that people actually know.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 14: And some of the ones, I mean, who were, who were, like,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 14: household names who everybody knew, you wouldn't want to.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: Live that life.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 14: You wouldn't want to be that person. And then there
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 14: are all those artists who, like, wound up rejecting the
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 14: work that we loved them for, which is really weird. Like,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 14: Botticelli turned his back on all his good stuff, and
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 14: even DiCirico became, like, sort of a, an uninteresting academic
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 14: painter of still lives and the whole, you know, all
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 14: the beautiful surrealism.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: It's like, no, fuck that. I'm bored with that. It's
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: such a strange phenomenon.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 14: And then, you know, speaking of Ken Kesey, there's all
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 14: the American wrestler writers who write like one or two books.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 6: And they're done. Um, And J.D.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 14: Salinger, who I love, but people say, oh, he had
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 14: a very small, precious talent.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: He didn't do that much stuff. Well, how much do
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 6: you have to do? I don't know.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 14: Is there like a bucket you've got to fill?
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 7: Isn't that the goal, especially in writing? You write the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: great American novel, you're done?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: You're out?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 14: You know, the funny thing about the great American novel,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 14: the guy who wrote Paul Collins, who wrote the book
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 14: I was talking about earlier about the Shakespeare first folio,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 14: He looked up the phrase, the great American novel, wondering
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 14: where it came from.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: It's been around for quite a while.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: It came from England.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: What do they know?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 14: It was a British publicist for Uncle Tom's Cabin.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 24: Nice.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 14: Came up with the whole idea, and he said, once
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 14: you find that out, it seems kind of obvious, like,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 14: The whole idea of there being a great American novel
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 14: doesn't seem very American.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we wouldn't bill ourselves as that, I guess. Until now,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 7: but it's just standard.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 14: The royalty of the American novel community.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: I don't know. Anything else to round out your artistic takes?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: At least for this time. I'm sure we'll have to
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: return to it somewhere down the line.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Are we good?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: Have we covered all that art represents for this week?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: We've settled the art matter, I think.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think we've ironed it out. So we will
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 7: take our break and head back to the art show.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: I am painting in oil A portrait of a man.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 23: Who has taken all the heartaches And all the pain
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 23: he can.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: Stand I'm using.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 29: All the colors of blue.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 23: I have here on my stand.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 29: I am painting in oil.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 6: A portrait of a man. I can tell he is dying. Dave,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 6: I do not get superheroes.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: Oh my God, I don't get you.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 19: What don't you get?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Towerbot here. Well, the meatbags were going to say that
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: if you're a geek and like podcasts, then you could
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: try Tower of Technobabble at www.toweroftechnobabble.com. Then this started. Well,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: it's up to you. I'm gonna get my taser and
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: put a stop to this. Tower bot out. Okay, monkeys.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: It's nap time.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: You keep saying you got something for me.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 28: Hi, this is Crispin Glover, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 23: These boots make a watch, and that's.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 10: Just what I'm doing.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 19: Why don't these things keep on turning out?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 16: Wow! All of life's.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 10: Riddles are answered in the movies.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 6: And now, on with the show.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 10: I see death in his eyes.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 19: Oh, yes, I know, I know when he's crying. It
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 19: is my tears, my tears that he cries. of how
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 19: we feel inside I.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 10: Mix the paint with my hands.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 8: I am painting in oil a.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 7: Portrait Yes, we watched your favorite movie, The Cremators. She
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 7: doesn't even care about the movies that she watched for
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 7: the show, people. About two and a half years ago.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: You've already seen it. We recorded an entire episode and
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 7: you sat there for it. Like a steel trap. Remember
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: the hippie with the cat on the beach? That's the
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: best part of the movie. It really is.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 8: How could you forget the hippie with the cat?
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 7: Thank you for coming out. All right, so I guess
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 7: we have a request to discuss movies, which is more
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 7: than we usually get on this show. So go ahead
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 7: and identify yourself, sir.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 8: My name's William. All right.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: And how did you come about this wonderful art show
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 7: that you're at today?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 8: My buddy Alex, that you know.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: That guy?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 8: He brought me along.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 7: He's not just a random guy that I know. He's
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: also the artist himself who created our Movie Meltdown caffeinated
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 7: movie geek mugs, which you could be ordering right now
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: on MovieMeltdown.com. I'm just saying. Why haven't you gotten one yet?
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: You're making Alex sad, is what I'm telling you. Anyway, okay,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: so you have put up with Alex for years now,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: is what you're saying.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: And it's all been leading up to this moment.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 7: Just so that you could sit in on our show,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: is what.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 8: You're telling us. Yes, so that I could share. This
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 8: this moment i just found this movie and it's you
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 8: know it's not a it's not a small time movie
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 8: it was uh it was a hollywood movie but uh
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: a simple man by the coen brothers.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: We were just discussing the coen brothers with our previous
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: person sitting here.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 8: So it's there's a theme there is a theme uh
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 8: it came out in 2009 and i missed.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 7: It I'm in the same boat, actually, and I haven't
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 7: even watched it yet. So I know of it. I
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 7: knew it was a Coen Brothers movie. I've actually heard
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 7: really good things about it and just haven't gotten around
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 7: to it.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: It's amazing. It's very funny, very subtle.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 7: Interesting.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: There's a lot of stuff about Jewish culture and religion,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 8: but it's not so much that if you're not Jewish
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 8: or if you're not familiar... It's not Fiddler on the Roof.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 8: You're going to be out of your depth. But I
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 8: don't know. It stars the guy from Boardwalk Empire that...
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 8: fix the world series that character i can't remember his
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 8: name but anyway it's.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 7: Great what about the movie did you like i really.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 8: Like the just the subtlety of the humor like it's
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 8: that coen brothers humor where a facial expression or just
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 8: a silent you know someone just being silent will make
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 8: you laugh they're.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 7: Very strange because they will play both like they can
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: be the most subtle directors, writers in the world. And
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: then at the same time, they will turn around and
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 7: do a big goofball comedy that usually doesn't even work.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 7: Like it doesn't even seem like it hits their audience,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: but they still like it enough. They keep doing them.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 7: So it's kind of strange actually.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 8: Have you seen Miller's Crossing?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: It's been a while, but that one's pretty amazing.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 8: I've been wanting to watch it, but it's, I have
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 8: a short attention span and it's like two hours long.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 8: And every time I'm like, I don't know if I should.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 7: It's one of those, they were just, like, yeah, it
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 7: was early for them. So you can see them kind
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: of finding themselves. And they, I mean, but they already
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 7: kind of had the, they had their beats down that
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 7: first movie, really. So this is like three in for them.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 7: And they already kind of, like, get to the point
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 7: where they have their own dialogue in that. Like, they
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 7: create their own world really well.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 8: So I should watch it?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 7: It's really good. I mean, John Turturro is amazing. It's
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 7: like he works so well with them anyway, and that's
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: one of those, like, he has the scene stealing.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 8: Oh, he's in that?
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 7: Again, it's not a huge role, but he steals the
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 7: movie with his one scene, and, like, that's the one
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  Speaker 7: everybody remembers from Miller's Crossing.
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  Speaker 5: Nice.
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  Speaker 7: So, yeah, it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 8: All right, then.
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  Speaker 7: As I remembered, it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 8: Well, uh... Well, thanks for letting me be on your podcast.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you for sitting in, and yeah, we will go
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  Speaker 7: enjoy the musical style of tonight's band.
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  Speaker 8: Awesome.
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  Speaker 10: How do we become Addicted to what's wrong Something missing
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  Speaker 10: right now.
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  Speaker 7: All right, so we are wrapping up things here at
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  Speaker 7: the Movie Geek Art Show. We're packing it in. We
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  Speaker 7: had to get out of the way. That dude was
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 7: going to freak out if he didn't play some ping pong. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: and I have never seen a grown man who's wanted
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  Speaker 7: to play ping pong so badly in my entire life.
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  Speaker 15: He did kind of look like a tweaker.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 7: So, yeah, it has been quite a festival here. We've
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: had a good run. We got some amazing art, which
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  Speaker 7: I will be posting on the Facebook page. So if
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  Speaker 7: you're not following along, it's your own damn fault. I
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 7: don't feel bad about it. But, yeah, we're going to
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  Speaker 7: put some of the, since so much of that is
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 7: a visual thing, and we've discussed a few of the
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  Speaker 7: artist's work in these last couple of episodes. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: if you want to put it together and figure out
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 7: what they're talking about and who these murderous kitty cats
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 7: are and just what Jeff Goldblum's doing with that dinosaur,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 7: you need to go to the Facebook page and we'll
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 7: post some of the pictures of this very special movie-themed artwork. So, it's... I've,
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  Speaker 7: I like, I'm amazed at the quality of like so
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  Speaker 7: much because I threw it out there and I knew
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  Speaker 7: a few of the artists along the way, but I
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  Speaker 7: had no idea what was coming with a lot of people.
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  Speaker 7: And it's just, yeah, the quality on it is just amazing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: There was some incredible stuff there tonight. I was quite
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  Speaker 7: pleasantly surprised. So, and then need more money to be
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: able to like buy some of this stuff, but you know,
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  Speaker 7: hopefully we've actually looked like a few of them had,
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  Speaker 7: had gotten tagged as sold. So hopefully some of the
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  Speaker 7: artists will come out ahead and, This will actually serve
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: a purpose other than just several awesome episodes about art.
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  Speaker 7: Any other activities you guys have been up to? Any
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  Speaker 7: movies you've seen lately?
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  Speaker 15: I feel like all I do lately is watch movies,
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  Speaker 15: but I don't know that I've watched anything worth mentioning.
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  Speaker 15: Let's see.
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  Speaker 11: I did watch The Perks of Being a Wallflower the
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  Speaker 11: other night.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 7: I think we've had a battle somewhere along the way
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  Speaker 7: about that one.
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  Speaker 15: There has been a battle, but now I can chime in.
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  Speaker 15: I'm still processing it, but for the most part, I
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  Speaker 15: enjoyed it, but was kind of disturbed at the same time.
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  Speaker 24: So, I don't know.
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  Speaker 15: Like, that's kind of my life anyway. You know, I'm
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 15: trying to enjoy it, but I'm kind of disturbed, so
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  Speaker 15: kind of, you know.
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  Speaker 6: I like Hermione.
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  Speaker 11: You like what?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 13: Hermione.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, well.
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  Speaker 7: I still haven't seen it, but, you know, just in general,
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  Speaker 7: I like Hermione.
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  Speaker 15: She's pretty great in that movie, so.
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  Speaker 7: Alright, we should round it out with that. Mostly because
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: it's dark now and we're loitering in the street. So
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 7: we should wrap this up and get the hell out
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 7: of here. I do like that so much of the
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 7: discussion that we had and so much of the movie
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 7: that we had watched, it all sort of ties to
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: how art is something that starts in your childhood and
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  Speaker 7: so much of it is rooted in the actions of
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  Speaker 7: you as a child and your mentality as a child
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  Speaker 7: and whether or not you grow out of that. And
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  Speaker 7: I do like that the movie wraps up with I
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 7: don't want to grow up from Tom Waits. So I
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  Speaker 7: think that's how we should get the.
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  Speaker 16: Hell out of here.
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  Speaker 7: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week.
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  Speaker 7: Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 18: Well, when I'm alive, I'm dead at night.
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  Speaker 19: I don't want to grow up.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 9: Cause you never see me turn out right. I don't
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 9: want to grow up.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 10: How do you move.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 9: When the world is falling? Always changing things.
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  Speaker 18: Makes me wish that I could be a dog. Well,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 18: when I see the price you pay, I don't want.
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  Speaker 16: To go up.
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  Speaker 10: I don't ever want.
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  Speaker 6: To be that way.
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  Speaker 18: I don't want to go up.
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  Speaker 9: It seems like folks turn into things that.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 18: They never want.
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  Speaker 9: The only thing they live for is today.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 10: I'm going to put on my teeth and I don't
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 10: want to go up.
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  Speaker 9: I don't want to be a good boy scout. I
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 9: don't want to have to learn to count. I don't
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 9: want to have the biggest amount. I don't want to grow.
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  Speaker 18: Well, I sent my parents back I don't want to
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 18: grow up I've been thinking all night And I don't
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 18: want to grow up.
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  Speaker 9: I'd rather stay here in my room. Nothing out there
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 9: but sad and gloom. I don't want to live in
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 9: a big old tomb on Grand Street. When I see
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 9: five o'clock news, I don't want to go up. And
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 9: shine their shoes I don't want to grow up Stay
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 9: around my old hometown I don't want to put no
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 9: money down I don't want to get that big old
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 9: loan Work them fingers to the bone I don't want
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  Speaker 9: to float.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 8: And bloom Fall in love and get.
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  Speaker 9: Married then boom How the hell did it get.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 10: Here so soon?
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  Speaker 19: I don't want.
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  Speaker 6: To grow up People are listening to this.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: Yep, that's what happened.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: I messed with it enough to salvage it. Should a
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: podcast have audio? Should you be able to follow it?
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 7: There are certain things you can't salvage.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: Because if you.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 21: Can't hear the podcast and not follow it, is it
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 21: truly doing what it should be doing?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 14: I actually once on the street saw a mime in
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 14: a phone booth.
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  Speaker 7: That's awesome. Was he trapped in it?
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 8: It was.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: I was like, because that is going to happen.
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