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Angelic Story of Jesus · Urantia Radio

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Welcome to another edition of the Rancho Radio Podcast.
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I'm Jim Watkins and my guest this time.
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Up on your Rancho Radio are two people you've heard from before.
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They are both working on a new project that we will delve into.
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Gabriel Reinberg and Joel Garbin join us to talk about the
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angelic Story of Jesus project. It's a big deal.
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We also talk about the current state of religion, the impact
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from AI, good as well as dangerous things that can happen
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with this new technology, and all about the real dearth of
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global and national leadership. Where are we headed?
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But the main focus on this episode will be these guys and
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their latest project that you're going to love hearing about.
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And I also want to encourage you to check out this website.
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You'll hear it a few times during the show.
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It's 7 Circles, creative.com, sevencirclescreative.com that is
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Gabriel and Joel will be joining us in just a moment, the angelic
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story of Jesus on your ranch radio.
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Let's get underway with our conversation talking about
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purpose. It's always been our job, the
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ones who are devoted to this revelation and want to pursue
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this path. It doesn't matter which religion
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you belong to. All we aspire to is to be
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better, best versions of ourselves with a more godly
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life, whatever that means for us, and then help another person
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do the same thing in a non coercive way, respecting their
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free will. So this project that we're going
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to start talking about is exactly for this reason.
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This is why we're doing it. In, in most of the work that
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that I've done, you've done, the focus has been on how do we
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bring these concepts of the Urantia book to life and, and
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get people, you know, to get excited again.
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And but there's also all of the stuff that goes on around us and
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you, me and and Joel and others, we view the world through the
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lens of the Urantia book, you know, because now that we've had
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a chance to read about it, just as a for example, when I see the
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equality of leadership or lack thereof in our government, I
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often think of that government on a neighboring planet and I
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think about what they learned. And I and I'm saying somebody's
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got to talk about that and say, you know, we, we've got it so
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bad. There's no, you know, you know
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who Nancy Pelosi is, right? The woman is a billionaire, A
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billionaire off a salary that, you know, an average Carpenter
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might make for a major corporation.
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Now how do you get to be a mill? A billionaire being a
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congresswoman? Answer me that.
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And now Eric's Slalwell. Slalwell, he wants to be the
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next governor of California, the 5th largest economy in the
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world. And we've got a 34 year old guy
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who's never had a job running the the, the richest city on the
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planet. Something's wrong.
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And I'm thinking about the government on a neighboring
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planet. We need to revamp the whole
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leadership selection thing. But that's viewed through the
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eyes of a Urantian because I have something I think I can
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compare it to, you know, so. I want to I want to add a little
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something to to that, that conversation about what's going
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on in current times here. So, you know, and Gabriel, you
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mentioned that the AI masterminds need to come to a
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greater consciousness about what's going on here, in so many
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words. However, those same folks, as I
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understand it, are buying properties that are kind of
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their safe haven in their own minds.
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They might be remote properties, might even be underground
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properties. So they're making contingencies
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for themselves and their families for a societal collapse
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that they're bringing about. Yeah.
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So it's a it's a really strange psychological disconnect on what
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is it? What is it going on in in the
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minds the psychics of these people that would make choices
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that could potentially bring about an apocalypse for what
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end, toward what end? And are they being controlled in
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a way to make these decisions? And I hold out that that's a
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strong possibility because as, as we know, there are forces
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unseen on this planet, spiritual forces that, that do try to
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penetrate human minds and, and bring about influence.
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And, and that influence I, I'm pretty convinced uses the ego
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structure to, to gain entrance. And when you have the
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billionaire class and a lot of brilliant scientific
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technological minds where everyone wants to think they're
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the smartest guy in the room and they love the praise and all
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the, the adoration and all that, they become so susceptible, so
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vulnerable to these other influences that use flattery to
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gain entrance and help, help to direct the narrative.
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And I, and I think there's a lot of that what's that's going on
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today. And you know, I'm, I'm not so
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sure that we can count on a consciousness raising among that
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group of people who are, who are driving the bus.
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You know, I, I think where it starts is the consciousness
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raising at the individual level and then at the family level.
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You know, I mean, is there still more suffering to come?
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I don't. Know.
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Well, it could, it could be. And it seems like bitter
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medicine is something that that we routinely need in order to
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kind of shake this, this dust off of us and go like, oh, whoa,
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I've been way out of whack on my priorities.
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And, and they got got to get back to center in the basics.
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And really, God should be at that center.
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And we've lost that. You probably saw the poll that
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just came out couple days ago. A new poll looked at what the in
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America, what the percent of people who consider religion to
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be central to their lives. And it has fallen off like 15 to
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20% in the last 10 years, which is consistent with that same
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fall off that's happened in other Western nations and some
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non Western nations as well. So it's, it's not just AUS or,
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or North American issue. It is a global issue where,
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where people are becoming much more occupied with the, the, the
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secular, materialistic, distracted priorities rather
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than focusing on a life that has God at the center to, to give
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the meaning and purpose and direction to our lives.
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So that trend, that trend is still going down at a, at a
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rapid rate. It's the young people who we got
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to reach because, you know, the old dogs don't want to learn new
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tricks, right? But the young people are still,
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you know, they're still malleable enough and curious
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enough, I believe that they're willing to look at things in a
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new way and experiment. And I think a lot of these like
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social the, the, the socialist takeover now at the mayoral
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level in New York City, at the mayoral level in Seattle, this
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is part of an experimentation mindset that the younger people
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have because they know what we have right now is not working.
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And, and so they're going like, well, why not try something
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really radically new and just see what happens?
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So they're going to see what happens.
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All right. Do you guys think of the Urantia
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book as an emergency mission much like and then I want to get
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into the what you're what you guys are working on specifically
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because it all dovetails into that I.
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I, you know, after making this video, which is starting from a
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quote from I think 184, a civilization that advances
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materially too fast as within itself it's own seeds of
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retrogression. I think we are starting to see
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the retrogression now. It's been 150 years of an
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industrial revolution, an Internet revolution, and now the
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AI revolution. It's going so fast that to the
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point where like I have a scene that says when when the
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revelators wrote in English mechanical minds, people were
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thinking of Abacus and you know, mechanical calculators.
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And to today we have AIS that can write novellas and books and
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you know, and there's still mechanical minds, but wow, it's
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like magic, you know, same thing.
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Like you talk to somebody 10,000 years ago about people flying in
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the air like birds like it, it, it sounds outlandish, right.
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So we've been on this path for six or seven or eight
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generations. And, and I, and I say there in
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the, in the video, my best and kindest estimate for humanity is
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that 1% of us are awake and 99% of us are sleeping and awake.
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By awake, I mean we, we are, it's not good people, bad
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people, not nothing like that. It's I wake up in the morning.
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I, I strive to be the best version of myself that I can be
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in connection with the divine that I recognize as my guidance.
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And I do my best to, to be that person consciously.
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And then when I, when I sleep, when I fall asleep and I forget,
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I remember again and I wake up again.
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I know how it feels because I was asleep for most of my life.
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And by grace, I woke up and I look around at the world that
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we're creating. It's a world of sleeping people
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to be kind, right? It's a world of insane people.
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We are fucking lunatics. And I'm living this at the at
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the forefront of people coming from Gaza and doing what they
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did and, and the world saying, no, no, the Jews are committing
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genocide. I'm not going to go into the
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rabbit hole. So we are collectively, all of
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us, still lunatics by virtue of looking at the world we have
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created and how we treat each other.
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We have everything we could ever want, but we're still not happy
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and we're still not connected to the divine.
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And so my estimate is just by sampling the people I've ever
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known in my life, how many of them are really doing this?
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Waking up in the morning, praying to God, believing that
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there is a divine creator, and then devoting their lives to be
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the best version of themselves with God in the middle. 1% is
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Max. So until we get to 10%, this
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world is not going to change. And, and the reason CFU is doing
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everything is to take those small.
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And the reason you're doing the same thing, Jim, is to take
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those small steps to help more people wake up whatever way they
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have to wake up with all the grace and spiritual influences
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that are helping them to do that.
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Like Joel likes to say, you know, we show up, we do our
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thing and we don't control the outcome or in in the Rancho
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books, words is the ACT is ours. The consequence is God's the
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same thing. It's the same teaching is, but
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we have to do our thing. And you know, and my struggle is
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I know this planet will make it. This is Michael's planet, for
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God's sake. There is no possibility for
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failure. But I also know that it's not
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going to make it if we don't do our work.
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No, we, we, the ones that Live Today, the ones that are coming
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after us, we really have to do our best, whatever that is, you
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with the radio. We, we with our projects and
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everything we do and, and, you know, helping other people wake
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up in whatever shape or form they have to do it.
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So, you know, we're toiling and we're putting our two cents into
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the Piggy Bank. And I know it's going to work
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because I have faith that this planet will not fail and it's
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going to be the greatest turn around in Nevada because that's
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what it is, right? That's why Michael came here.
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Yeah. To your earlier question,
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whether we think that the Urantia revelation was an
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emergency mission, I absolutely say yes.
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You look at the time frame when it was delivered in the 1920s
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and 30s. So we just come out of World War
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One, we had the rise of communism and fascism in Europe.
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We had the advent of nuclear physics that were rapidly
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advancing toward the ability to create nuclear weapons, which
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actually ended up happening just, you know, a decade after
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the transmissions were completed.
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And so they could anticipate that.
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Whoa. You know, you guys are on a
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crash course. And what I find is very
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interesting because as you know, I'm I'm pretty steeped in and
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what this kind of backdrop of the UFOET research community or
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are are are looking at to peel back that onion.
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And the Urantia book is really the only good reference point to
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harmonize the, the existence of intelligent life on other
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planets and the possibility that they've been visiting this
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planet for a long time. The Urantial is the Urantial
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revelation is the only source to information that provides a
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really coherent narrative about that, that integrates all
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aspects of, you know, origins, history, destiny and, and a
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greater, a greater humanity. And with God at the at the helm,
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that that really makes sense. And so, you know, I see that so
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much of, of what was going on with the the timing of the
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transmissions back in the 20s and 30s, what ended up happening
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with nuclear development and it's in its immediate use as a
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weapon. And then what happened in
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Roswell, which was 1947, OK. And that's where all of a sudden
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this whole UFOET thing started to explode.
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And what we've learned since then is, is how how many
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sightings there been at nuclear facilities, not just in the US,
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but in Russia and China. So, so there has been this
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monitoring campaign that's clearly been going on.
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And right now you see, even in the US Congress, there's all
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kinds of hearings that are going on, hearing from whistleblowers
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from within the military community, the intelligence
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community, military industrial contractor community.
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There's just an explosion of folks who are coming forward
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saying, hey, this is real. This is a real phenomenon.
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And it's not a fairy dust. And and you know, ball lightning
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and swamp gas and all that. This is real.
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There is a a real presence of, of non Earth human intelligence
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here doing highly technological things, doing tons of
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surveillance, having contact experiences with a a wide range
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of of, of, of Earth humanity. And it's real.
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In fact, even Jim, you may be aware of this, but next Friday
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on November 21, there's going to be release of a of a new
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blockbuster documentary on on this being the age of
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disclosure. And I believe that's also the
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name of the film and that that's going to be premiering in in
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some major cities in the US. But but that is going to
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showcase a lot of these whistleblowers who are at very
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high levels. And it just really leaves no
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doubt that that this presence here among Earth humanity is
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real. It's active.
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It's not going away. We've got to step up to it
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maturely and, and deal with this and hopefully use that
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information as a wake up call to stop the insanity.
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You know, Gabriel described the AI insanity.
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You know, we, we, we got to get our act together somehow.
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Things are kind of weird right now on this place.
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It is Jesus's earth. He's the Prince.
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Things are out of whack. I mean, sometimes it's
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overwhelming and I don't know where any of it is going, but I
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have no clue. But one thing that I am excited
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about is that the Orangi book is starting to kind of come of age.
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The most important thing of this hour, which is the angelic story
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of Jesus, and again, Gabriel Reinberg and Joel Garbon and you
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guys, along with a team of wonderful people are involved
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over at the Center for Unity on this project.
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So the floor is yours, as they say.
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Gabriel, what's going on with this?
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What is it about? Look, I'm going to let Joel pick
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it up because he's the most passionate exponent of this and
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I love his bitch. OK, well the Center for Unity
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is, is a group of people from across the world who have a
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grounding in the Urantia book and what is revealed there.
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And, you know, we come from a lot of different backgrounds and
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a lot of different faith histories as well.
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You know, we have, we have those who came from, you know, a
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Catholic background or mainline Protestant background,
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evangelical background, Jewish background, Muslim.
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I, I, I would say just about anything you can imagine.
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We all have have come from these different experiences where
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maybe we had growing up some type of, of religious tradition
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in our family, or maybe none at all.
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But what we have in common is that we've taken a
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extraordinarily compelling interest in the information
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that's in this book called do your answer book.
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And it it, I would say it's, it's fair to say that it has
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become a central focus in each of our lives and has informed us
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on how we can move forward to help address some of the most
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pressing challenges on the planet today.
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And, and one of those for sure is the disaffection of youth and
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young adults from religion and that has led to a an epidemic of
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catastrophic proportions for our young people, the levels of
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anxiety and despair, of nihilism.
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Of self-destructive behavior, of not wanting to to marry, not
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wanting to have children, of feelings of of no meaning and
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purpose in their lives so much as wound up into this whole ball
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of wax that relates to a disconnection from things godly
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and that don't that are are much more embedded in what's going on
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in in material pursuits. Being tied to this little
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device. That's it, that's continually in
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their hands that it's hard for them even appeal their eyes away
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from a screen. The way they engage with with
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other young people through the social media and much less
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likely through actual direct face to face intercourse.
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So many things that are bundled into this and what we see here
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at the Center for Unity is being able to use modern tools and the
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way young people communicate in the technologies they use to
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communicate and gather information.
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We can use that to reach them and and encourage them, invite
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them to investigate this same information that that has so
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deeply impacted each of us and and have given us renewed
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meaning and purpose and hope and a desire to serve.
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And, and so we're really excited about the the opportunities with
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the projects that we've created. You're going to hear from
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Gabriel here in a second who really is the visionary behind
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not just the Center for Unity itself, but a lot of these these
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very farsighted projects, one of which we're going to describe
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here shortly. It's called the angelic story of
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Jesus immersive project. And Gabriel will explain what an
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immersive exhibit or an an immersive experience is about
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and why our particular concept for that really makes a lot of
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sense and and has a a really high impact opportunity to
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connect with young people and uplift their lives. 1 little
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explanation If you haven't seen them an immersive experience,
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then I'll just describe one for you.
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There have been many types of presentations, stories about
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people, places, things in history.
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Normally what happens is you go into a physical venue that looks
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pretty much like a basketball hole.
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So it's huge. It's got a very high ceiling.
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They took factories and and huge venues and then retrofitted them
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for these types of experiences. When you go there, you're
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basically immersed. What are you immersed in?
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Sound, visuals, sometimes atmospheric things like smells,
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anything that touches your senses.
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But you are inside the presentation.
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You can sit down or walk around. It's not a cinema and every
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surface in this venue is projected upon and they they're
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telling you a story. You're using your eyes.
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Sometimes you have the earphones, if you don't speak
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the language of the presentation, they will
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translate it for you with a with an audio, but you're basically
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immersed in it. And then, for example, one of
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the most famous ones is called the Van Gogh experience.
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Van Gogh was a famous painter. So they tell the story of his
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life. He had a very tragic life.
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He died penniless. His paintings are selling for
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hundreds of millions today. But when he was living, he was
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very, very poor. And every story, every painting
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has a story. So they're telling you the story
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of this person's life, what happened, how he made those
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paintings. And you spend an hour or two in
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this venue. Sometimes they have also what is
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called VR. You put goggles on and then you
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have your own personal immersive experience with goggles and
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you're sitting down or you're walking around.
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So that's another option. Then you have some merch you can
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buy some things that are related to the story and that's it for
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you. So you're basically going to see
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a presentation about something that you care about or you're
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interested in, in a in a, in a different way.
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It's not theatre, it's not music, it's not a musical, it's
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not a movie, it's something else, but you're actually
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physically going there. So our idea was what if we can
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tell something from the Rancho book or some things about the
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life and the teachings of Jesus. One of the things that we we
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know when we, when you, when we open the book, this book is that
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we have almost half a million words that describe everything
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that happens. And the point of view of the
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description is you can you can sense it is beings who have
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authority to say this is what happened because they were
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witnesses, first hand witnesses. Obviously they were not human.
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They were superhuman on in some capacity.
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And then you have half a million words about everything,
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including all the lost years, what happened since he went to
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the temple, What happened before he went to the temple in his
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childhood? And then what happened after he
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met his disciples and started after baptism and everything
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that happened after the crucifixion.
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So it's a, it's a whole narrative.
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We'd like to say that it really agrees with the Bible, with the
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New Testament. But you can say, and you can
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count, so to speak and say, oh, the Bible describes about 30
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days in the life of Jesus. But we know he was 30 something
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when he died. So what happened in those 10,000
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other days? Yeah, of.
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Course, nobody knows, but here's our here's our angle and that
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and that's why we call it the angelic story of Jesus.
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We all believe in angels or most of us believe they're, they're
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superhuman beings called angels. Some of us have seen them.
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We were painting them, we're sculpturing them.
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And of course, they're most likely immortal, right?
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They don't die. They're not immortal.
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So it makes sense that they were there 2000 years ago when this
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guy Jesus was on the planet and doing all these things that are
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described in the Scripture. So what would they tell us if
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they could? This is our angle and we're
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using the information in the rancher book that was written by
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superhuman beings from their own perspective.
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You will see if you open the book that sometimes and many
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times there's quotation marks around words that were said by
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Jesus. Somebody puts quotation marks
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only if they have heard the words of the speech or you know,
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so, so they're, they're coming with authority and we are
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basically boring their authority and saying this could be a
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presentation from the angelic point of view of what happened
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2000 years ago. And that's, that gives us a lot
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of creative license to fill in the details and bring episodes
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that would talk to the youth of today.
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For example, one of the things that happened, according to this
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narrative, is that Joseph, his father, died when Jesus was 14
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years old. And also that this at that time,
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Joseph and Mary already had several children, 8 to be exact.
27:47
One of them was yet to be born, the youngest, Ruth.
27:51
And Jesus was thrown into the responsibility of taking care of
27:56
with his mom of all his brothers and sisters at the tender age of
28:00
14 years old. So what happens?
28:04
What did he do? How did he deal with this very,
28:08
very big challenge? We have a whole narrative to
28:11
that explains everything that he did, all the hardships that he
28:14
went through, times of poverty, times of lack, times of very
28:18
long times of hard work, very hard work, a lot of
28:21
responsibility, a lot of anxiety, disagreements with his
28:26
mom about all of this. He had to also contain his mom
28:29
that lost her husband, a beloved 1.
28:32
You know, this is grief and and pain and sorrow, all the range
28:36
of humans emotions. So we see Jesus, young Jesus go
28:40
through all the things that we all know from our lives and that
28:43
makes him a lot more relatable. So of course he was divine, but
28:47
he was also human. So let's see what was it?
28:50
What was, how was how did this boy grow up to become a young
28:54
man and then a man and then the person we have descriptions of
28:57
in in Scripture. So this is just one example of
29:01
many, many, many that we can present in this immersive
29:05
format. So we could probably create
29:08
hundreds of hours of content. So we will start with a select
29:12
few stories and the first venue and then grow organically from
29:17
there and perhaps move it from city to city in the US and
29:20
perhaps later globally, so that people around the globe can meet
29:25
another version of Jesus, the angelic version of cities.
29:30
Are these are you? Have you put thought into the
29:33
structure, like perhaps length? You know you're looking for a
29:36
certain length of these stories. What tell us a little bit about
29:39
the thought that goes into? So, so to be honest, our
29:44
executive team, which is Joel and myself and Rick and Dan, we
29:51
have a lot of experience in entrepreneurship and business
29:55
and management and sales and marketing all together.
29:59
But we don't have any experience in the immersive arena.
30:02
So the first thing we did is we contacted several of these
30:07
vendors worldwide, renowned vendors that are doing this for
30:10
years. And then we've selected one of
30:12
them and had multiple conversations with this vendor.
30:16
And we already have the a proposed road map with some
30:20
estimates of the cost. So they will be our, let's say
30:25
trusted partners in this bringing all the expertise of
30:29
production, content production, the physical build out, the
30:34
venue construction, marketing, sales operations.
30:38
We will be the visionaries and the creative directors.
30:41
So this is a partnership with, we bring the ideas and they tell
30:45
us, listen, this will work. This will not work.
30:47
It should be this long, it should be this type of work.
30:49
And then we together we will form and create this content.
30:53
But like I like I'm saying to people that I talked to, we want
30:57
to do this project. Many Christians can do different
31:01
projects. They can take the Bible and and
31:04
put into an immersive format the stories of the Bible, the New
31:07
Testament I. Think they do have to just yeah.
31:10
And yeah, and they have and they will.
31:12
And, and we hope that they they will, you know, and they should.
31:15
They should. But we are going to do other
31:18
types of stories from this source because we feel that we
31:22
are the only ones well equipped to do this project because we we
31:27
basically represent hundreds of studiers of this resource with
31:31
all the connections and all the intricacies of an intimate
31:35
knowledge of what the angelics are telling us about the life of
31:38
Jesus. So only people who have been
31:40
studying this source for a long time can produce something that
31:44
is based on this source. And somebody else will have to
31:47
invest all those hours, but we've already invested them as
31:51
as our choice in life. So, and this is a unique
31:55
project, only people like us can do a project like this.
31:58
And this is the only project we want to do.
32:00
And so, you know, we will select the stories and the duration and
32:04
the angles all together with the professionals who know how to
32:09
make this a success in, in, in a commercial venue, right?
32:13
So, so we're partnering with the best of the best and we're
32:17
bringing everything that we can to this partnership.
32:20
There are a lot of unemployed editors, musicians in Los
32:25
Angeles right now looking for a gig.
32:27
And I'm, I'm pretty sure that the Urantia book is being read
32:31
by some of these people, maybe even people listening to this.
32:34
So but we also need producers too.
32:37
And right now, you can throw all your money at these woke films
32:41
that are coming out of Hollywood and watch your childhoods, your,
32:45
your, your children's, you know, inheritance go away.
32:48
Or you can invent and invest in something like this that
32:51
actually will have enduring, you know, value.
32:54
So yeah. Do you have a sizzle reel, as
32:58
they say? You know, like how far have you
33:00
been able to produce something that that we can look at or see
33:04
gives us an idea of this project?
33:07
Yeah. So what we, what we did was we
33:10
took several months to give some thought on how best to present
33:16
the concept here for the angelic story of Jesus, because a lot of
33:20
people, maybe most people don't know what an immersive
33:23
experience is and they, they don't know what the your answer
33:27
book is. So what we did was we, we put
33:32
together about a 7 minute long video that has three different
33:37
parts. There's an introduction part
33:40
that explains why we are doing this.
33:43
What what is the real goal behind this project?
33:47
And it is focused on the youth and young adults who've been
33:53
very disaffected from religion and all the problems that have
33:57
come along with that. We want to reconnect them with
34:02
God and, and you know, kind of specifically with the indwelling
34:06
spirit of God that's in each of us and that is that is with each
34:11
of these young people. And then also with hope,
34:15
hopefully we will stimulate an interest to take a look at Jesus
34:21
in a new and and refreshed way that they don't hear, if they've
34:25
heard anything at all about Jesus and his life and teachings
34:29
that that they have an opportunity to investigate him
34:32
and out through a whole new lens that they had never considered
34:36
before because it never been presented before.
34:38
As Gabriel said, the New Testament gospel accounts only
34:43
cover what is considered about 30 days out of a 30 some year
34:49
life. So he got this tiny, much less
34:53
than 1% view of this most remarkable person, whoever lived
34:58
on this planet Jesus. That's told in that the gospel
35:03
accounts. But there's so much more to hear
35:06
about and the your answer book presents that so much more
35:11
through the perspectives of the witnessing superhuman beings
35:17
there, namely angels and and other other spiritual beings who
35:22
tell that narrative in the, in the fourth section of the
35:26
Urantia book, the Life and teachings of Jesus.
35:28
So we're, we're presenting this opportunity for for a wide
35:32
audience, but focused on the young people to, to take a new
35:37
look at Jesus and do it in a way that's very, very compelling.
35:42
So the, the introduction to the seven minute video lays that
35:46
out. What's the goal?
35:48
Who's the target audience? The the second part of the video
35:52
is a trailer that shows one specific scene from the
35:59
immersive contact from the immersive concept that we intend
36:03
to produce. And that particular scene has to
36:06
do with what the Urantia book describes as the ordination of a
36:13
group of female disciples who Jesus, who Jesus commissioned to
36:18
teach other women to serve as ministers and healers to them.
36:23
And they were essentially a compliment to the male group of
36:28
apostles that Jesus had. And that that the Gospels talk
36:32
about continually about, about the Apostolic core of the 12
36:36
men. The Urantia book makes it very
36:38
clear that Jesus very wisely established a complementary core
36:45
that were comprised of women. Because the, the men and the
36:48
women at that time, you know, 2000 years ago in, in, you know,
36:53
in, in early, you know, 1st century times, they did not mix
36:58
well within Judaism. In fact, there were some real
37:01
proscriptions against the mixing of the sexes.
37:05
So it made a lot of sense that Jesus would have commissioned
37:08
women to go and minister to the women.
37:12
And, and so this particular scene that we show in the
37:15
trailer, which is the second part of the seven minute video,
37:19
depicts that. And it's very beautiful.
37:22
And, and, and I have seen first hand where, when, when you know
37:28
people in the room see this tears come to their eyes and,
37:33
and they, they are inspired and it really deep deeply impacts
37:37
the third part of the video shows who, who our most probable
37:43
production partner is. They are called Lighthouse
37:47
Immersive and they are they are one of the leading companies
37:51
that produce these type of immersive experiences.
37:55
We've had had a lot of dialogue with some of the executives at
37:58
that that company. And so we we show what they do
38:03
and kind of showcase a lot of the different immersive projects
38:06
that they've they've put on around the planet.
38:09
And so it kind of gives a very well-rounded view of what we're
38:15
trying to do, you know, what some of the scenes might look
38:19
like that people could experience when they go and
38:21
attend one of these exhibits. And then who we're doing it
38:24
with, who is basically top of class as far as professionalism
38:29
and knowing how to do a really blockbuster immersive
38:32
experience. Obviously, we're looking at a
38:35
partnership, so because they are experts, there will be a
38:39
collaboration where we actually select the stories that makes
38:43
more sense for this type of venue for the duration of the
38:46
experience, for the type of audience that we want to
38:49
attract, for the location of the venue, which of course we
38:52
haven't selected yet. There's going to be a very
38:54
elaborate process that they go through before they create a new
38:57
one, and they will put us through a lot of hoops and our
39:01
creative team will basically serve with them to do all these
39:05
things. So they asked us a lot of
39:07
questions about who we are and why we want to do this.
39:09
And you know, one of the things that they are not accustomed to
39:12
is working with a nonprofit. We are a nonprofit, so we don't
39:16
have unlimited budgets. What you've done in telling the
39:19
earlier story about when Jesus was 14 and that experience of,
39:23
of losing his father and all that, what that, what got that
39:27
me thinking is that I, I know more, a lot more about Jesus.
39:30
And I, I take that for granted that most people don't really
39:34
know those other stories. In fact, many people who are
39:37
even Christian have no idea the amount of stories there that are
39:43
there. And it's, it's unfortunate that
39:46
they're OK with just learning 30 days of his life and not wanting
39:50
to know the rest of it. So choosing the women's
39:52
evangelical Corps is is key because it addresses several
39:56
different issues. One is that Jesus was very
39:59
liberal towards women, which is something that nobody, nobody
40:03
that I know would ever say that because they think the Catholic
40:05
Church represents Jesus's views. They in fact many women don't
40:10
like Christianity because of that very issue that its
40:14
derogatory towards women. A lot of people, you know, stay
40:18
at home, have babies. It's not about.
40:21
The freedom of femininity and all that.
40:23
So that's a, that's a strike, a stroke of genius.
40:27
Think maybe we think we know the Jesus that we don't really know.
40:30
So I think it's a stroke of genius to pick that story.
40:33
I also was touched by it. I actually said to myself, wow,
40:36
this is going to be big. Well, that thank you, Jim.
40:40
That's that's really good confirmation of, you know, of
40:45
what's come together. And I would say this, you know,
40:49
look, Gabriel has a very visionary mind, very creative
40:54
mind. And then with the the group of
40:57
this what he described as our executive committee of four, at
41:01
least that's what it is right now.
41:02
And when we, when we look at these things, one thing we are
41:06
very clear about is that we are simply showing up for our parts.
41:12
We each have our own experiences and, and some talents and things
41:16
like that. We've, we've been able to kind
41:18
of merge those together to make sure that that we, we don't just
41:24
kind of have what, what out, what are our own personal
41:29
wheelhouses like in Gabriel's case, extraordinarily creative
41:35
for, for me, maybe it's I'm extraordinarily ruthless when it
41:41
comes to, to editing and solidly grounding things in the, the
41:48
business realities and things like that.
41:51
And then there are other team members have their own Forte's
41:55
and all that. But, but what we realize is
41:58
that, look, we are just vessels for this.
42:01
And so we need, we need to make sure that we are staying very
42:07
open to the inspiration that comes to us and that we follow
42:12
that leading. So before we have any one of
42:14
our, our meetings, we always start with a prayer and, and we
42:19
always speak about, hey, as good as we might think that this
42:24
concept is, there could be something better.
42:27
And we need to stay open to that possibility that all of what
42:31
we're doing here might be be simply serving as a catalyst to,
42:37
to birth another something that's even better, more
42:42
effective, more efficient, what, what have you.
42:45
So, so we're, we're not getting kind of down our, our own one
42:51
way track that it has to be this way.
42:53
Gabriel talked about how the AI world is going down a speeding
42:58
track and it's like it's hard for them to get off that track.
43:02
Well, because we want to be totally dialed in to the
43:06
leadings of the Holy Spirit that we don't want to get trapped
43:12
into that as much of there there is even.
43:16
And for us too, there's some ego impulse in this, right?
43:19
Because we're like, wow, we see people get excited about it.
43:22
We're excited about it. And it's like, yeah, we really
43:25
want to see that happen, but we know there might be a better
43:28
way. So we have to keep renewing in
43:31
our own minds that that look, we, we are here to serve our
43:36
parts. We don't know where this is
43:38
going. And and we should not think that
43:40
we are in control of this. You know, God has in control of
43:44
this. We are simply, you know, some,
43:47
some humans trying to to do as as best we can and listening
43:52
and, and, and being vessels for this to come about.
43:56
And we invite everybody else to kind of take that, that spirit
44:00
on as well. Now, when we, when we had to
44:05
make a decision, OK, we've put together this, this 7 minute
44:09
video that explains what it is we're trying to do.
44:12
OK, so who do we introduce this first?
44:14
Well, we made the decision we would go to the Urantia
44:17
Foundation first because at that, at that time, a few weeks
44:21
ago, we saw that their, their board of trustees meeting was
44:25
coming up in Chicago and things lined up very well.
44:28
So we made the decision to, to go there first and introduce
44:32
what we're planning to do to that board of trustees.
44:35
And, and Rick Lyon and I went and, and, and we, we explained
44:40
what we are doing with this project and we wanted to gauge
44:43
their reaction. And I think they were quite
44:47
surprised at what they saw. You know, they, they knew
44:52
because of, of having, you know, seen some of the other Center
44:56
for Unity projects that have been really out-of-the-box a new
45:00
fresh ideas and things. You know, whether it's it's been
45:04
the Discover Jesus app or, or the, the podcast, the divine
45:10
within podcast, things like that.
45:12
You know, we've been doing some, some really novel things in
45:16
trying to reach out to a global audience in, in some fresh ways
45:21
and using technology, because that's how people, especially
45:25
young people, they, they get gather information through
45:28
technology. They communicate through
45:29
technology and all that. So I think the board of
45:32
trustees, you know, when they, they saw this, they're like, OK,
45:36
wow. The, the Center for Unity guys,
45:39
they're, they're always kind of doing some kind of edgy things.
45:43
But when they saw this video, it was, it was really fun to see
45:49
the response. There was excitement in the
45:52
room, Lots of questions that came up.
45:55
There were no objections at all to what we were doing.
45:59
We we could see they were stimulated by this.
46:03
So. And I would say in some cases
46:06
too, you could see the real emotional connection, especially
46:09
to the trailer where we were featuring this episode with the
46:12
women's ordination and that and, and it's like, OK, yeah, we, we
46:17
see we are on the mark here. And then, you know, we, you
46:21
know, we extended the invitation to them to please share this,
46:26
you know, amongst their networks to help us with the funding
46:30
effort in this because we, we need others to show up on that
46:35
side of things to make this a reality, you know, because it's
46:39
going to take substantial resources to do this.
46:43
However, however, we, we, we see that there is an extraordinary
46:50
opportunity for the Urantia Foundation, whose mission is
46:54
basically to get books out there.
46:57
We, we at each of these immersive venues, whether it's
47:03
just the inaugural one, wherever that city might be, and then
47:06
subsequent ones, there will be a merchandise section connected
47:12
to, to that exhibit where there will be books and things.
47:16
And we expect there will be millions of people who end up
47:20
attending these things, all of whom are likely to go through
47:24
that that merchandise store. Like Disneyland, when you get
47:29
off the ride at the end and you walk through and get a little
47:32
your ranch, a key chain. Yeah.
47:34
So instead of getting the Mickey ears, they'll have an
47:36
opportunity to to get a Urantia book in any number of languages
47:41
because we'd have a number of different of the translations
47:45
there. They also would be able to get a
47:47
Bible. Once you get a Urantia theme
47:49
park and just have like, you know, go from there and and have
47:53
rides and. Yeah, there might be some some
47:57
of Byron Balitzo's books and some other folks who who have
48:01
done things. So it'll be all kinds of things
48:03
they can get there. And and importantly, it won't be
48:09
just like Urantia literature there, because we know it's
48:15
important for us to include the, the Christian community in this
48:20
who are steeped just in the, the biblical narrative.
48:25
And we encourage people to to explore that.
48:28
Like ideally you would become highly familiar with what's in
48:31
the Bible and highly familiar with what's in the Urantia book
48:36
because you'll be able to see how they dovetail together it.
48:40
But. That's OK.
48:41
Are we ready for this? That's what what I'm asking you
48:43
is do you think it's now time for Will the Urantia book
48:47
survive the Scrutinous? You know, there's going to be a
48:52
lot of people that are threatened, just like they'll be
48:55
a lot of people threatened by the what you did with the first
48:59
about the evangelical women of Jesus's Apostolic court group.
49:04
And that in itself is controversial because that
49:07
contradicts 2000 years of the papacy.
49:10
Great, great point. And, and again, yes, this is the
49:15
time to not shy away from from those type of controversies.
49:21
And and you know what, we have the with the opportunity of the
49:27
angelic story of Jesus. We don't need to defend that
49:32
because we were not those superhuman witnesses.
49:36
Any evangelical would acknowledge that angels are
49:41
real. Any evangelical pastor would
49:44
say, yeah, undoubtedly there were angels witnessing the life
49:49
of Jesus, all of the the whole life of Jesus and that they have
49:53
a better understanding of history, they have a better
49:56
understanding of the divine plan.
49:59
They have a better understanding from real living experience and
50:03
witnessing of of what was going on in Jesus life.
50:06
Right. We don't we're we're just humans
50:09
that the the Urantia book presents this from the angelic
50:14
view. The the immersive experience is,
50:17
is a wonderful idea. And I think of maybe one day
50:20
this could be, you know, in that globe that they have in, in Las
50:24
Vegas, where you could have that kind of an immersive where,
50:27
where the world of Jesus, you know, is in this big ball and,
50:31
you know, lots of beautiful music and sound.
50:35
But but it's the essence of the story that gives it its
50:38
strength. So would it not be better to
50:40
just have simple films made instead of going the route of
50:44
the immersive experience? Or is that a way to capture the
50:48
imagination of the youth who expect nothing less than the
50:52
immersive experience? So what's the the immersive?
50:55
What's the gain of the immersive experience as opposed to just
50:58
making short clips and presenting different Urantia
51:01
book stories? So so the answer is one word and
51:05
it's and it's not or we're doing this and that.
51:10
So if you look at the same website that you're going to put
51:12
a link to the seven circles creative.com on the homepage,
51:16
you will see two projects. One is called the divine within
51:20
and the other is called the angelic story of Jesus and the
51:22
Divine within. We're writing now the pilot
51:25
episode, episode one of eight episode streaming series that
51:30
talks about also the angelic the the women's evangelistic corps,
51:35
but in a drama and explains who Mary Magdalene was and.
51:40
Susanna and I get excited about that because that's.
51:44
So we're doing that. Yes, we're doing that too.
51:47
The reason we want to do the immersive is because it's a
51:52
different type of experience. It's like saying, oh, we have
51:54
theater so we don't need the movies, or we have concerts so
51:57
we don't need DVDs. It's different when you walk.
52:01
I, I, I've been to several of those.
52:03
When you walk into this venue and you're basically
52:06
disconnected from the world, there's two things that happen.
52:10
You are actually immersed in something.
52:13
And the second thing that will happen, and God willing, this
52:16
is, this is really God's will, is that all of the spirit
52:21
influences that are going to be partnership, partnering with us,
52:25
are going to be there assisting those humans having their own
52:29
immersive experience. So we're, it's like putting
52:32
people in the stadium and praying together.
52:35
It's got a lot of power when people together are doing
52:37
something physically at the same time.
52:40
So all of those people, hundreds, thousands, hundreds of
52:42
thousands coming to a venue where they're having hopefully
52:47
some kind of a spiritual experience too, but also going
52:51
to be entertained. We're, we're not saying
52:54
anything, but this is entertainment.
52:56
It doesn't replace anything else.
52:57
It's an experience. It's a very kind of experience
53:00
with a very kind of story. And we hope that there will be
53:04
opportunities for those people to go through other types of
53:07
experiences, but that's not our job.
53:10
We are doing our part by making this happen on the material
53:13
plane and selecting the stories and being connected while we're
53:17
doing this work so that we can serve the the the role and and
53:22
and the plans of other beings who are.
53:27
They gave us the script. So, you know, we're now we're
53:30
going to take that script that they provided and make it even
53:34
more real so that. Yeah.
53:35
And I will say one more thing, which which is a continuation of
53:38
the discussion you and I had maybe a couple months ago on
53:42
another episode. I think it's time that you run
53:45
Chabuk has a seat at the table that we shift the overtone
53:48
window. What is the Overton window?
53:51
Can you explain that to me? And also the 4th Turning, which
53:53
you referred to on our last podcast together.
53:57
The overtone window is, is an expression describing what is
54:01
acceptable to discuss what is in, in, in the, in the realm of
54:06
the mainstream of culture, society.
54:10
And so right now the Urantia book is out there.
54:13
Most people don't know about it. It's not known.
54:16
And those who know about it may categorize it as X or Y, Say
54:21
it's a cold, say it's this, say it's that.
54:23
It's not part of the mainstream. If we bring it by doing a lot of
54:28
things to the point where people know about it, they can form an
54:32
opinion, they can read, they can listen, they can talk, they can
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write papers, they can do anything.
54:38
It's time that this happens. And then it's time that just
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like we mentioned before, you know, there's a paper that that
54:47
describes something that happens on another planet that is on a
54:49
very similar level to ours. There's a lot for us to learn
54:53
from that paper and but it will not happen unless people who are
54:58
in those realms of education, of parenting, of the law, of
55:03
politics, of planning, of civil service, they read those ideas
55:08
and say, you know what, we should try some of these things
55:11
here. That's a discussion that happens
55:14
when this is it is part of what is acceptable to discuss.
55:18
So I I say you, Rancho Book deserves a seat at the table.
55:23
And this project is one of the things that we as a community do
55:28
to shift it, to bring it more to the point where it will be
55:32
having a seat at the table. Yeah.
55:34
So it's a process. It takes time.
55:36
And, you know, I don't really have answers to everything.
55:41
I just feel that this is if not now, then when right?
55:44
Because like of. Course, what are we waiting for?
55:46
So. Jim, we all you know, we see
55:49
here much like The Chosen series, which has become a huge
55:55
blockbuster presentation of Jesus, but as entertainment that
56:00
has brought in a whole new group of people who've taken a a
56:06
renewed or a brand new interest in Jesus.
56:10
And there was a lot of of artistic license that was used
56:14
in the the Chosen series. And it is beautifully done as
56:17
entertainment. And I don't think they are
56:20
trying to defend any particular thing about how they are
56:24
presenting, you know, their their work.
56:28
And we're not, we don't need to defend what we are doing here
56:32
because it's using the, the Entertainment Ave. to introduce
56:38
people to the life and teachings of Jesus.
56:42
Now. Now, if, if folks want to get
56:44
really caught up in how, how we use the artistic license around
56:49
that, that's fine. They're free to do that because
56:52
we're not trying to tell people what to think, what to believe,
56:58
how, how to view these things. As I said before, even in the,
57:03
the merchandise at these, these immersive venues, we'll, yeah,
57:08
we'll have Urantia related materials there.
57:10
They can read. We'll also have the Bible there
57:13
for them to read and, and, and they're welcome to do all of it.
57:18
We encourage them to look at all of it because we're not trying
57:22
to tell them how to think or what to believe.
57:25
There's nothing dogmatic about this.
57:27
And what I reminded or mentioned to the folks at the Urantia
57:31
Foundation is this, look, I go to probably at least two
57:39
Catholic services a week. In fact, I, I went probably 1/2
57:44
an hour before the three of us started this pocket.
57:47
I just went to a Catholic Mass this morning because I feel
57:52
enriched from what is true and beautiful and good about
57:56
Catholicism. That's my background and it, it
57:59
helps nourish me. I also attend the largest
58:03
evangelical mega church in Portland, OR which has a
58:07
congregation of probably 15,000. And why do I do that?
58:11
Because the pastor there is a wonderful Bible teacher and I
58:15
want to learn and understand more about what's in the Bible.
58:19
And it's wonderful in the Spirit moves through both those
58:24
Catholic services. It moves through those
58:26
evangelical Bible study services.
58:30
It moves through all different kinds of ways on this planet
58:34
because God meets us where we are and that's wonderful and
58:38
it's beautiful. So we don't have to try to tell
58:42
everyone that, look, you got to be pigeon holed just into this
58:46
view of Jesus and his teachings and your relationship with God.
58:50
And in all of this, and, and whether folks want to have that
58:55
sola scriptura view that the the evangelical world tends to find
59:01
themselves in, and I would say even highly constrained by, we
59:07
are not under those constraints. We can present the life and
59:11
teachings of Jesus as it's presented in the Urantia book
59:16
without defense. Let people investigate that and
59:20
make the decision for themselves.
59:23
We didn't write it. We weren't those angelic
59:26
witnesses, you know, we can't say whether that was a fact or
59:30
not. What we can say factually is
59:33
that there are hundreds of thousands, if not now millions
59:38
of people who have been impacted by what is in the Urantia book.
59:42
And it has uplifted us. In fact, it's, it's, it's
59:45
brought us closer to Jesus. It's brought us much to, to it's
59:51
brought us to a personal relationship, not just with
59:55
Jesus, but I would say, you know, with the, the universal
59:58
father, more prayerful, more dedicated to service, to uplift
1:00:02
humanity. And in the case of the Center
1:00:05
for Unity and this particular project, to reach out to the
1:00:09
young people who, who, who aren't feeling any connection to
1:00:12
God at all. And we're using that as a way to
1:00:16
to give them the opportunity to reconnect with God.
1:00:20
And, and I would say if there's someone from from another
1:00:23
Christian community who thinks that's a bad idea, well, they
1:00:26
might want to think about that in a deeper way.
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OK, We are using a novel approach to introduce young
1:00:35
people to Jesus. And and that's what we're
1:00:38
showing up to do. Well, I think what you got to do
1:00:42
is you got to get Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey a Bible or a a
1:00:47
Urantia book and say, you know, here you go.
1:00:49
Can you take this to one of your concerts instead of all this
1:00:52
other weird stuff she's doing? I mean you.
1:00:55
That's so how about how about this, Jim?
1:00:57
She's a reader. How about are?
1:00:59
You saying that Taylor Swift reads the Urantia book?
1:01:02
I want to make sure that that algorithm gets out there so
1:01:05
that. How how about how about we?
1:01:10
Hashtag Taylor Garantia book. Yeah, how about we get it in
1:01:14
front of Joe Rogan? Yeah, he needs the book, but I
1:01:18
I'm afraid that he might misrepresent it.
1:01:22
Well, did he send it back? No, I sent it to him with a
1:01:26
personal letter. You're going to end up going on
1:01:28
the Joe Rogan show is what's going to happen.
1:01:31
Well, it could happen. That's why I'm mentioning it
1:01:33
here. I'll tell you something I've
1:01:34
come to really to to really believe as a as a, a maxim that
1:01:39
has a lot of truth is this. Ideas are strengthened as they
1:01:43
are shared. So, so we are sharing a lot of
1:01:47
ideas through your generous invitation to be on your podcast
1:01:53
and I, and I'm telling you in truth, yes, I sent the Urantia
1:01:57
book to Joe Rogan with a, with a personal letter encouraging him
1:02:01
to take a look at it. Joe has a very broad mind.
1:02:04
He does a lot, lot of different interests and and what we are
1:02:08
potentially considering is that Austin, TX could become the
1:02:12
inaugural city for what we are doing here with this immersive
1:02:17
concept. So just imagine if, if we
1:02:20
invited Joe and his staff to come and check it out, have
1:02:25
their own experience, decide for himself and he might go like,
1:02:29
wow, this is really novel. I never thought about anything
1:02:32
like this that and he might be like, you know, this is worth
1:02:36
talking about. Then imagine he brings Gabriel,
1:02:39
you know, on to the Joe Rogan podcast just to say, hey, how'd
1:02:43
you even come up with this? Imagine what that would do.
1:02:45
You would immediately have 10 million viewers, his followers
1:02:51
who'd be like, whoa, what is this all about?
1:02:53
So you see, we, we, we can look at different ways to have
1:03:00
explosive interest in in what the Urantia has to say.
1:03:05
The Urantia book has to say about all of this.
1:03:07
We don't have to be in control of it.
1:03:09
We just show up for our parts. We let, we let you know these
1:03:13
other leadings, you know, through the spirit of truth,
1:03:17
through through the angels and, and whoever else are are helping
1:03:21
to guide this. And we definitely believe there
1:03:24
are others who are guiding this that we can't see.
1:03:27
And, and we're just going to, you know, do what we feel we
1:03:30
need to do and, and invite people to join us along the way
1:03:33
because we're having a great time doing this.
1:03:36
If it's not evident, I just want to let you know we are having a
1:03:39
blast doing this. And, and it's cool because we
1:03:43
know we are, we are doing something we're feeling called
1:03:47
to do. So, well, the timing is, is
1:03:49
impeccable because in the 80s when I started reading the book,
1:03:54
I was always thinking, OK, well, everything seemed, you know, the
1:03:57
80s weren't that bad in retrospect when you consider
1:03:59
today. But now today, you see that the
1:04:02
moral clarity is blurry ethics to way too many totalitarian
1:04:09
regimes in the world, way too much human trafficking.
1:04:12
It's almost like it's a very schizophrenic world.
1:04:16
And I think that the Urantia book more today than 40 years
1:04:19
ago can bring a lot of clarity to it's like they say, you, you
1:04:24
can't have any understanding in the, in the paper 57 when it
1:04:28
talks about the Lucifer rebellion, the, the exact words,
1:04:32
I don't know, but it says something to the effect of
1:04:34
you're not really going to understand why humanity is the
1:04:37
way it is today unless you get what happened before with the
1:04:43
rebellion. And these ideas of these, you
1:04:46
know, personal freedom, unlimited liberty, These are all
1:04:50
poisons. The put the, the the pool has
1:04:52
been poisoned by these ideas and we're still living with that
1:04:56
effect today. And it does.
1:04:58
It did help me understand evil in the world.
1:05:00
That's what I'm saying is understanding what what Lucifer
1:05:03
and his whole doctrine brought to this world helps me
1:05:06
understand why we are as screwed up as we are.
1:05:10
I'm not blaming him for everything, but a lot of the
1:05:13
misdeeds and the false philosophies, you know,
1:05:17
certainly stem from that period. So.
1:05:20
But yeah, but I, I, I wish you well.
1:05:23
I I wish that Joe Rogan and I wish Tucker Carlson, you know,
1:05:27
would, would investigate the Urantia book and expose.
1:05:30
It to Tucker, too. But don't send it to Alex Jones
1:05:35
because he's too divisive. We don't.
1:05:38
We don't need divisive people. Did you get a response from
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Tucker? No, not yet.
1:05:43
You will, but it will be a private phone call at 3:00 in
1:05:46
the morning. Yeah, we'll see.
1:05:50
But look, those were all those were done on what I would call a
1:05:55
spiritual impulse where I'm like, oh, OK, so I just wrote
1:05:59
the letters, personal letters to these guys, sent the book.
1:06:03
You know, it didn't get returned to me.
1:06:05
Someone got it, Someone opened it.
1:06:07
Who knows, Maybe it wasn't them or their staff or whoever.
1:06:12
Someone opened that book and saw this and maybe they read the
1:06:16
letter, maybe it's having an impact.
1:06:18
We have no idea. We have no idea, and it's not
1:06:21
ours to control where that goes. But I trust that that spiritual
1:06:27
impulse to send those books and write those letters, take the
1:06:30
time, invest that, pray as I'm putting it in the mail.
1:06:34
I don't think that was all an ego exercise or or was.
1:06:38
Done in vain? Not at all.
1:06:39
And and so we'll just see where that goes.
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We're Gabriel and I here. We're just sharing ideas that
1:06:46
are being strengthened through your podcast here and, and.
1:06:52
Well, did you send one to you? We're having a great.
1:06:54
Did you send one to you? OK, I'm going to make a list of
1:06:58
people I want you to send it to. All right, all right.
1:07:02
Great. I've, I've said before, Gabriel,
1:07:05
have you ever sent the Urantia book to anybody?
1:07:07
And you know, because you felt like, oh, this person really
1:07:11
needs to know this. Two people.
1:07:14
I sent it to Shimon Peres, The Who was then the president of
1:07:18
Israel before he died. And I got a nice letter back
1:07:22
that his staff got it. I don't know if you read it.
1:07:25
And after I watched The Passion of the Christ with Mel Gibson, I
1:07:29
was compelled to write a personal letter and send it to
1:07:33
his agent. Did you really?
1:07:35
I was thinking about that because he's, he's coming out
1:07:38
with a new movie now, the sequel, which I can't I I could
1:07:41
only sit through the first one once.
1:07:43
It was, it was too hard for me to watch, you know, Jesus being
1:07:48
dragged through Gethsemane and having all that.
1:07:51
It was too much. But I admire the guy.
1:07:55
He's trying to get it out there and he's and what, what were you
1:07:59
going to say, Joel? Jim, I also handed the book
1:08:03
directly to Jordan Peterson. I gave it to him as a gift.
1:08:09
You. Know handed it to him personally
1:08:13
at the tail end of a one-on-one conversation I had with him in
1:08:17
Seattle several years back. So who knows?
1:08:22
Maybe that's how it happens though.
1:08:24
That's how it happens. Some strange guy I only knew for
1:08:28
two weeks, so I'd never seen since, handed me the book just
1:08:31
because I happened to get the job at that place at that right
1:08:35
time. We started talking about Adam
1:08:37
and Eve, and the next thing you know, I'm walking around a
1:08:39
bookstore in Hollywood looking for a book I can't remember the
1:08:42
name of. And then I bumped into a whole
1:08:45
shelf of them. Amazing story.
1:08:48
Speaking of which, final question for both of you,
1:08:50
Gabriel Reinberg and Joel, who's been on the program so many
1:08:55
times, why is it called Project Blue Book?
1:09:02
Any correlation between the Urantia book and the what they
1:09:05
were doing back with the CIA Project Blue Book?
1:09:09
Is there ever been any explanation as to and the could
1:09:12
that have any connection with the Urantia book?
1:09:17
You know, that's a very interesting question.
1:09:20
You know, the Air Force was running Project Blue Book and
1:09:25
this, for those of you who don't know it was, it was basically an
1:09:29
investigation of the UFOET phenomenon.
1:09:34
And I, I think it was started in the 1960s pretty sure.
1:09:40
And, and it kind of that project supposedly was closed down
1:09:45
because there was no conclusive evidence supposedly that there
1:09:49
actually are, that, that there actually is a real UFO ET
1:09:55
phenomenon occurring on our, our planet.
1:09:58
Now, what we found out since then is that, well, the real
1:10:04
story goes way beyond that. And it was a false close meant
1:10:09
to misdirect the public, meant to create a ha ha factor about
1:10:14
anything that's reported about that topic.
1:10:18
And, and now we know from all these whistleblowers who have
1:10:21
come forward, many of whom will be featured in this this film
1:10:26
that's going to premiere next Friday, November 21, called the
1:10:30
Age of Disclosure. You're going to see the real
1:10:33
story. So whether whether it was called
1:10:35
Project Blue Book because of the ranch book at all that who
1:10:39
knows, maybe that is the case. And I think if if that ever came
1:10:42
out, that would be really cool if in fact, if it got
1:10:46
substantiated that way. So thanks for bringing it up.
1:10:49
I had never thought of that, angled you.
1:10:51
Gabriel, any closing thoughts? I know the focus here is about
1:10:54
this very important project with the angelic story of of Jesus.
1:10:59
What do you want to leave the people listening to this
1:11:02
podcast? What do you want them to think
1:11:04
about here? Like Joel said, this is this is
1:11:10
a very substantial process in resources.
1:11:14
We've done a lot of due diligence and conceptual work
1:11:19
and partnering with the right people.
1:11:22
And right now we're looking for those who will step forward and
1:11:26
say I want this to exist and I have the means to provide.
1:11:31
We are set up with donation possibilities that as a 5O1C3.
1:11:36
We also have an LLC that is willing and and ready to accept
1:11:43
investments in the form of loans or revenue sharing agreements.
1:11:48
And if somebody has a different need, we are open to discuss
1:11:52
their need. Another thing that we've decided
1:11:56
is that we're going to raise the whole sum before we actually
1:11:59
spend $1.00 in the form of commitments.
1:12:02
So we want to be very prudent and very good stewards with
1:12:07
those resources and don't put them in risk.
1:12:10
And because this is quite a sizable amount, we're taking the
1:12:14
time to bring the right mission aligned people who want to be
1:12:19
part of this. And so most of us don't have
1:12:24
those resources available, but many of us know others who do.
1:12:28
So the call to action here is if you feel called to introduce us
1:12:34
to people you know that may be interested in this, you can
1:12:38
start by visiting the Seven Circles creative.com website,
1:12:42
click on the Angelic story of Jesus project, watch the trailer
1:12:47
sizzle reel. You can ask For more
1:12:50
information. We have business decks ready and
1:12:53
we're ready to answer all the questions in private meetings
1:12:57
for the correct individuals. So we're looking for
1:13:00
introductions to people with means that are mission aligned
1:13:04
to this project. That's that's what would I would
1:13:07
ask. So you know, I'll leave you with
1:13:11
a little bit of an exercise if you're listening to this.
1:13:14
So thank you for listening all the way here.
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We all have a Rolodex of names and persons in our head.
1:13:21
So what I asked you to do once you finish this podcast is stop
1:13:24
for one minute, close your eyes, do a search in your head and
1:13:29
just see if you ask for somebody who may know wealthy individuals
1:13:34
who love Jesus and would like to like to help young people be
1:13:39
better off in this world and see what that search comes back
1:13:43
with. And it might be 0 names, one
1:13:45
name, two names. Write those names down and send
1:13:48
them the link that is going to be in the show notes for them to
1:13:51
look at it. If they are feeling it in their
1:13:53
hearts, they will contact us and you will have done your work.
1:13:57
I want to read the last section from paper 195 where it talks
1:14:01
about where it says the following.
1:14:04
The world needs first hand religion, even Christianity.
1:14:07
The best of the religions of the 20th century is is not only a
1:14:11
religion about Jesus, but it is so largely one which men
1:14:14
experience second hand. What an awakening the world
1:14:18
would experience if it could only see Jesus as he really
1:14:22
lived on earth and know first hand.
1:14:27
So with that, I just want to thank again Joel Garban and
1:14:31
Gabriel Reinberg for joining us today to talk about so many
1:14:34
wonderful things, things that I think will have a real shaping
1:14:37
effect on the future of the Urantia book and certainly on
1:14:42
our society. And again, I encourage you to
1:14:44
visit sevencirclescreative.com. That's WWW dot
1:14:50
sevencirclescreative.com. You can learn more about this
1:14:54
project, you can get involved as well, and you can show your
1:14:57
support.questionsorcommentsalwaysemailmeyourranchbookradio@gmail.com. Blessings to you and happy
1:15:05
holidays. See you next time.