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The Bolt Report | 26 November · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Jeez, it's the gold reform It.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight Susan Lee gets her first scalp makes climate change
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  Speaker 2: and energy Mister Chris Boone explode under pressure.
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  Speaker 3: I want LESSI plus for Australia.
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  Speaker 4: How unpitch ever.
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  Speaker 5: Can you be?
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  Speaker 2: You really want to see the rest of that video
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  Speaker 2: and you will. Plus scandal at the White House. Secret
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  Speaker 2: transcript show a key advisor of Donald Trump coaching Vladimir
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  Speaker 2: Putin on how to get Trump on Russia's side. And
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  Speaker 2: Greta Tunberg's latest stunt to save the planet by trashing Venice.
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  Speaker 2: I'll even give you a fact check on Tunberg's recent travel.
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  Speaker 2: What a frequent flying hypocrites she is. Plus, I'll show
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  Speaker 2: you how labouring Green's senators piled onto a nineteen year
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  Speaker 2: old for telling the truth about nuclear power. It really
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  Speaker 2: is shameful. But first, today's shock inflation figures made instant
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  Speaker 2: fools of two ministers, especially in the Albanizi government. First,
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  Speaker 2: of course, most obviously Treasurer Jim Chalmers. Just this morning,
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  Speaker 2: Charmers was trotting out one of his favorite lines, one
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  Speaker 2: of the government's favorite slogans.
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  Speaker 6: The cheapest form of new energy is renewable energy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, just hours later lunchtime today, the Reserve Bank told
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  Speaker 2: the shocking truth electricity prices had just gone up thirty
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  Speaker 2: seven point one percent. I'd better repeat that. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I'll put up a big graphic to underline just how
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  Speaker 2: incredible this is. Electricity prices up thirty seven point one
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  Speaker 2: percent in just the past year, on top of all
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  Speaker 2: the previous rises, and that is under the Albanezi government's
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  Speaker 2: net zero schemes. Charms this morning also boasted about this
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  Speaker 2: government easing your cost of living.
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  Speaker 6: Providing the cost of living relief that people need and
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  Speaker 6: deserve when they're under pressure.
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  Speaker 2: Again, the Reserve Bank, just hours later made that boast
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  Speaker 2: look like a lie. In fact, almost every basic of
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  Speaker 2: the cost of living has just gone way up, food, clothing,
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  Speaker 2: and especially housing up nearly six percent. And then the electricity,
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  Speaker 2: of course, soaring after the rebates that say governments gave
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  Speaker 2: people to ease the pain of these power prices ran out.
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  Speaker 2: Overall annual inflation jumped to three point eight percent, up
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  Speaker 2: from three point six last month, more than expected. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: underlying inflation also went up to three point three percent,
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  Speaker 2: meaning there's now virtually no chance of a cut of
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  Speaker 2: interest rates. For another year. In fact, I've got to
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  Speaker 2: say analysts now are saying they might even go up up,
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  Speaker 2: and that's after the Primius Anthony Albaniezi claimed what back
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  Speaker 2: in July, inflation under his wonderful government had turned a corner.
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  Speaker 7: In the last parliament, we confronted global inflation and we
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  Speaker 7: have turned the corner there, with inflation down to within
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  Speaker 7: the Reserve Bank band. We have had two interst rate decreases.
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  Speaker 7: We are seeing real wages increase. We are seeing income
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  Speaker 7: taxes decrease so that people can earn more and keep
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  Speaker 7: more of what they earn.
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  Speaker 2: How wrong he was. Inflation has not turned the corner.
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  Speaker 2: It's going up, and we are now moving to the
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  Speaker 2: worst of economic worlds, low growth and home inflation under
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  Speaker 2: a high spending and high taxing government that's now promising
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  Speaker 2: a decade of deficits. To add to the one trillion
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  Speaker 2: dollar gross debt, and you can add our disastrously low
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  Speaker 2: productivity which was made worse by this union pandering government's
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  Speaker 2: new rules. Altogether, Australia is now facing a long slow
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  Speaker 2: decline in our standard of living. Today's News gave Oppositions
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  Speaker 2: and leader Susan Lee the chance to extend her a
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  Speaker 2: recent string of good performances in Parliament, and she didn't
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  Speaker 2: miss leading off this time with this opening salver against
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister again dodged any responsibility for this terrible
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  Speaker 2: economic news.
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  Speaker 8: The Prime Minister promised the Australian people that we had
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  Speaker 8: turned the corner on inflation. Today's numbers show that Australians
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  Speaker 8: were misled. Prime Minister. Why do Australians have to pay
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  Speaker 8: the price for Labour's economic failure.
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  Speaker 7: When it comes to inflation.
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  Speaker 9: We also know that the work has never done, which
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  Speaker 9: is my government is very focus on cost of living
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  Speaker 9: measures and I'm putting that downward pressure on inflation.
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  Speaker 7: Now, when you have the withdrawal of state energy subsidies,
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  Speaker 7: you're always going to get you were always going to
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  Speaker 7: get a lift.
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  Speaker 2: I should add something to that. You heard ALBANIZI blame
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  Speaker 2: the extraordinary jump in inflation on the electricity prices. Well,
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  Speaker 2: the state governments, he said, they just took off the
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  Speaker 2: energy rebates. Well, the electricity prices weren't the only drive
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  Speaker 2: of the high inflation, and we wouldn't have needed to
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  Speaker 2: have those electricity rebates in the first place. If the
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  Speaker 2: Albanzi government delivered on its promise that it's that zero
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  Speaker 2: policies would actually cut your electricity bills, but two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 7: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 7: for cheaper electricity, it will save families two hundred and
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  Speaker 7: seventy five dollars on average year. Assaults will benefit by
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  Speaker 7: two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Nor can we keep letting the government get away with
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  Speaker 2: this loan from Albanezi today and Jim Charmers earlier that
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  Speaker 2: if this inflation figure is bad, inflation under the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: was worse.
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  Speaker 7: If guys opposite are deeply concerned about inflation.
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  Speaker 2: With a three in front of.
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  Speaker 7: It, they must have been devastated when it had a
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  Speaker 7: six in front of it, which is what it had
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  Speaker 7: when they were in office.
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  Speaker 2: What Albanzi always fails to add is that four years
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  Speaker 2: ago Australia was booming out of the pandemic lockdowns, and
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  Speaker 2: governments had been spending hand over fists to keep businesses
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  Speaker 2: afloat and Australians in jobs, and inflation all over the
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  Speaker 2: world was high. Anyway, after three and a half years
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  Speaker 2: of labor and power. Isn't it time that it just
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  Speaker 2: owned up to whatever is happening now? But as I said,
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  Speaker 2: two ministers in particular shall be embarrassed by today's figures.
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  Speaker 2: Charmers was one. The other is climate changing ener. She
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  Speaker 2: missed the Crispard who's just returned from the United Nations
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  Speaker 2: Climate Conference in Brazil with a brand new title, UN
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  Speaker 2: President for Climate Negotiations. Now, Bowen is the man whose
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  Speaker 2: job is to cut electricity prices, who promised to cut
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  Speaker 2: electricity prices, but today delivered the opposite. And to remind
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  Speaker 2: you again just how opposite. Electricity prices not down but
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  Speaker 2: up another thirty seven percent in just the past year,
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  Speaker 2: which is no wonder. Heavy industries are closing. And it
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  Speaker 2: was so symbolic that even the lights in Parliament failed today.
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  Speaker 5: Already Australians have saved one point nine billion dollars at
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  Speaker 5: the pharmacy counter because of our cheaper medicine's measures pension
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  Speaker 5: as those were said, Order.
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  Speaker 1: Order, Members on my left will cease interjecting.
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  Speaker 2: Now. The Opposition rubbed it in by offering the government
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  Speaker 2: the lights on their phones to cope with all these
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  Speaker 2: power troubles. How kind of them but seriously, Enji Misster
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  Speaker 2: crispone has failed, and I have a question for him.
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  Speaker 2: How can President Bowen of the United Nations spare a
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  Speaker 2: minute for his new job overseas when it's presiding over
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  Speaker 2: this explosion in electricity prices at home? Fix up the
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  Speaker 2: mess here? First? For what a government day three and
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  Speaker 2: a half years in power, and this is what they've created.
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  Speaker 2: Now to Chris Bone's extraordinary rant rant in Parliament today,
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  Speaker 2: Now before I show you this footage of a climate
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  Speaker 2: and energie Minster under huge pressure, let me lead up
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  Speaker 2: to it by again noting something. Susan Lee, the opposition leader,
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  Speaker 2: Her performances have really lifted now. I thought she was
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  Speaker 2: I said she was finished. Almost everyone did. Now I'm
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  Speaker 2: less sure. It seems like getting a Liberal party to
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  Speaker 2: agree to scrap the net zero target has liberated her
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  Speaker 2: and she's switched from defense to attack, attack, attack. Now
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  Speaker 2: she's got much more cut through, I think. Now. I
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  Speaker 2: also think that Lesha actually get a lot more credit
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  Speaker 2: than she has been getting, in particular for dumping net zero.
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  Speaker 2: You might argue she was forced into it, It's true,
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  Speaker 2: but she's still got the Liberals to agree to dump
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  Speaker 2: this disastrous target of netzer our emissions by twenty fifty
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  Speaker 2: without the party splitting. And that's massive, And now Lee
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  Speaker 2: can really get stuck into labors just disastrous net zero policies,
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  Speaker 2: electricity builds up thirty seven percent, power supplies running low,
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  Speaker 2: green Hudroden schemes collapsing, and she can get now stuck
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  Speaker 2: into the absurdity of Chris Bowen last week accepting that
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  Speaker 2: new international job on top of his jay day job,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the President of Nations, President of Climate negotiations
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  Speaker 2: for what's called the Conference of Parties, accepting that job
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  Speaker 2: when it's got a mess right at home. You should fix.
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  Speaker 2: This is what Lee was in fact getting into Bowen
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  Speaker 2: about in question time today.
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  Speaker 8: And she, in his capacity as full time COP President
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  Speaker 8: and an energy minister working part time, he has signed
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  Speaker 8: Australia up to a statement which would phase out the import,
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  Speaker 8: export and usage of gas. Is this government policy?
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  Speaker 2: Bowen went spare, reading out a long list of other
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  Speaker 2: presidents who'd kept their day job and ending with this,
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  Speaker 2: I say rant.
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  Speaker 3: Before that Prime Minister back by Ni Rama of Fiji
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  Speaker 3: was the COP President while he was Prime minister. Before that,
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  Speaker 3: Minister Mazua the Minister for Foreign Affairs or Morocco before that,
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  Speaker 3: Minister Fabious of France, the Foreign Affairs Minister of France,
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  Speaker 3: all cabinet ministers who were cop presidents now what cultural president?
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  Speaker 3: Somehow they can all do up an Australia. Car, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what we want is boy influence for our country. They
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  Speaker 3: want less, They want less influence for Australia.
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  Speaker 1: How unpatriotic can you?
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  Speaker 2: Why don't you want.
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  Speaker 3: Your country to have a bigger role in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Why are used to that?
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  Speaker 2: Espied Bones? Critics are anti Australian tickets much. Even the
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  Speaker 2: Labor speaker was stunned by Bones. Brain snap.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ask everyone everyone to show ad more restraint.
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  Speaker 1: It's far too much energy during that answer and questions
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  Speaker 1: joined me is.
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  Speaker 2: The political panel. Cameron Milner, former chief of staff to
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  Speaker 2: Labor leader Bill Shorton, now director of g XO Strategies
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  Speaker 2: at Michael Costa, former New South Wales Labor Treasurer. Cameron,
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen a minister lose the plot so completely
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  Speaker 2: as Bone did today. Have you no?
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  Speaker 6: And it was a pretty curious thing because Chris is
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  Speaker 6: normally a lot more disciplined than that, So maybe it's
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  Speaker 6: the last week of parliament. Maybe the jet lag from
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  Speaker 6: Bellum on the way back, but no, it wasn't his
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  Speaker 6: finest day by any means at all.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew, what did you make of it?
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  Speaker 10: Michael Costs then doesn't surprise me at all. I've known
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  Speaker 10: Baron when he was a policy officer. Like I've said
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  Speaker 10: to you all along, this bloke's got the reverse Mitas touch.
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  Speaker 10: And that's one of the good things about his new position.
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  Speaker 10: Hopefully it destroys that cop process through his incompetence. But
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  Speaker 10: you know, he looks like the mister Bean of politics there.
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  Speaker 10: He's trying to squeeze a policy turkey into a economy
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  Speaker 10: that doesn't fit. You know, have you ever seen that
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  Speaker 10: snip of mister Bean? And that's what we've got here.
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  Speaker 10: We're essentially built up a massive framework around renewables that
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  Speaker 10: we can't afford, and now Bowen, instead of focusing on
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  Speaker 10: the dire consequences of this to the economy, thinks he's
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  Speaker 10: going to jet off and you know, be a global
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  Speaker 10: environmental bureaucrat. I mean, what Albo should do is strip
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  Speaker 10: him of the portfolio. I think, you know, he shouldn't
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  Speaker 10: have the energy portfolio and the climate change portfolio, the
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  Speaker 10: energy portfolio should go to one of the finance ministers,
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  Speaker 10: because this is a Pandora's box, an economic Pandora's box
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  Speaker 10: that's going to bring down the national economy if we
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  Speaker 10: don't deal with it appropriately.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you say that I've seen rumors that
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  Speaker 2: I've heard rumors. I think Andrew Andrew Clanel was mentioning
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  Speaker 2: it that Andrew Charlton might be angling for that job.
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  Speaker 2: Today's inflation figures though, up to three point eight percent,
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  Speaker 2: Cameron electricity up thirty one percent. How bad is this? Look?
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  Speaker 6: There are terrible, terrible set of numbers. This is diabolical
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  Speaker 6: for the government. I mean they basically had the George
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  Speaker 6: Bush moment with mission accomplished was Albo's big speech a
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  Speaker 6: few months ago.
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  Speaker 2: Far from it, far from it.
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  Speaker 6: We always knew cost of living was going to be
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  Speaker 6: the achilles hell of this government.
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  Speaker 2: But now we've got it in the hard numbers.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, you see some of the predictions after the
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  Speaker 6: the CPI came out that interest rates might go up
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  Speaker 6: next year, Andrew interest rates might go up. So this
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  Speaker 6: is a terrible set numbers for the government, and it
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  Speaker 6: means that inflation is not under control, and that without
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  Speaker 6: huge public subsidy, electricity prices are out of control as well.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Michael, you were a former state treasurer. What do
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  Speaker 2: you make of this if those figures have turned up
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  Speaker 2: in your books?
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  Speaker 10: Well, they wouldn't have turned up because I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 10: let spending get out of control as these people have. Look,
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  Speaker 10: we've got a government that taxes, bends and wastes and
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  Speaker 10: then tries to spin its way out of its problems.
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  Speaker 10: Just about on every policy they've put forward, they've shown
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  Speaker 10: they're basically a government of low IQ economic IQ ministers.
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  Speaker 10: They just don't understand the economy and you're seeing the
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  Speaker 10: consequence of that. Andrew, we can go through the list,
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  Speaker 10: but it's getting so long that we don't have the
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  Speaker 10: time to go through it. You know, the future made
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  Speaker 10: in China, the quantum cos I mean, you know, the
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  Speaker 10: green hydrogen, the net zero, all of this stuff is
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  Speaker 10: just madness. It doesn't work in our economy. And there
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  Speaker 10: is no person within that government that has the gumption
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  Speaker 10: or the nouse to fight for a change in policy.
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  Speaker 10: And as for the Treasurer, Mate, it's.
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  Speaker 4: All good news.
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  Speaker 10: It's all he's doing when it's good news. When it's
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  Speaker 10: bad news, it's everybody else's problem. They caused it all. Well,
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  Speaker 10: he's running out of excuses because if interest rates go up,
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  Speaker 10: which they could on his watch, where's he's blaming the
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  Speaker 10: opposition going to end up?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've got to say this government lacks what Bob
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  Speaker 2: Hook's government clearly had a brilliant finance minister in Peter
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  Speaker 2: Walsh who was skeptical of all nonsense and didn't hesitate
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  Speaker 2: to put a red line through any spending that looks stupid.
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  Speaker 2: This government doesn't have that. I'm afraid I mentioned Susan
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  Speaker 2: Lee Cameron. I think she's really lifted. I've mentioned this
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  Speaker 2: a few times over the last week or so. Chris
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  Speaker 2: bones meltdown shows she has at least got him on
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  Speaker 2: the run. I don't know. I said she was finished.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think she can actually pull this off?
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's sort of Thanksgiving season, isn't it. And even
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  Speaker 6: turkeys get pardoned sometimes, so look, maybe she's going to
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  Speaker 6: get the second chance, but you know, realistically, look she's
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  Speaker 6: got the message. I'm not convinced she's the messenger though, Andrew.
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  Speaker 6: That's I think the problem there is that Michael.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, when you're pushing the no net zero
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  Speaker 2: target agenda and cuts to spending, she's talking about IR
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  Speaker 2: reform as well, which even Peter Dutton didn't dare to do.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe she's the sort of friendly face, less threatening. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe I'm just making excuses for her.
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  Speaker 10: I think you're an optimist. Let's remember how we got there.
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  Speaker 10: It was because the nationals on zero. As for the
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  Speaker 10: IR reforms, let's wait and see. I certainly support that.
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  Speaker 10: All you can say is she's made it to fight
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  Speaker 10: another day early next year. But look, I still expect
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  Speaker 10: to be replaced. I mean, the news polls are going
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  Speaker 10: to determine the future. I don't think she's going to
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  Speaker 10: cut through. And the reason for that being that the
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  Speaker 10: government has just overwhelmed them in terms of its media presence,
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  Speaker 10: and Cameron would understand this. I still see from the
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  Speaker 10: opposition a reinvigoration of their campaign strategies. Unless they can
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  Speaker 10: do that, they're in real trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But if not Susan Lee Cameron, who well, I've
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  Speaker 2: said on your program it should be Josh Fredenberg and
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  Speaker 2: be drafted from outside.
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  Speaker 6: But if you had to pick someone on the inside,
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  Speaker 6: it's probably hasty over.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor, hasty over Taylor, except I think you would feel
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  Speaker 2: that it's not ready for it yet, and I'd have
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  Speaker 2: to concur with that. But maybe needs must. You don't
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  Speaker 2: had the luxury of time. Camer Milner, Michael Costa, thank
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  Speaker 2: you very much to you both. After the break, Greta
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  Speaker 2: Tunberg turns vandal in Venice and a frequent flying crusade
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  Speaker 2: to annoy the world. Greta Tunberg may surely now have
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  Speaker 2: proved to everyone that she's an attention seeking hypocrite, a
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  Speaker 2: frequent flying global warming messiah and Israel hater who vandalizes
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  Speaker 2: the planet she's trying to save allegedly. Her latest stunt,
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  Speaker 2: along with other greenness extremists, is the turned Venice's Grand
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  Speaker 2: Canal green with a die on the weekend, no doubt,
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  Speaker 2: wrecking the memories of a lot of tourists there. She's
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  Speaker 2: now been thrown out of the city. I mean, who
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  Speaker 2: knows what she was trying to prove, and really who cares.
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  Speaker 2: What's more important I think is how she now goes
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  Speaker 2: about this attention seeking of hers. And it's not my
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  Speaker 2: argument trying to convince you of a different way of
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  Speaker 2: seeing things. It's just by making a damn nuisance of
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  Speaker 2: herself having a tantrum toys out of the cot. But
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  Speaker 2: there's another point here. Tunberg used to be so pure
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  Speaker 2: oh no missions, that she sailed to America in a
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  Speaker 2: yacht rather than use fossil fuels in a jet. But
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  Speaker 2: now she must have one of the biggest carbon footprints
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  Speaker 2: on the planet because I've been tracking her recent travels.
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  Speaker 2: Just this year alone, she has visited Algeria and also
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  Speaker 2: Tunisia in North Africa. She has been to Barcelona in Spain,
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  Speaker 2: nice place, and to Sicily in Italy even nicer. She
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  Speaker 2: has gone to Israel where she was thrown out on
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  Speaker 2: her ear, and she has dropped in on Greece and
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  Speaker 2: on France lucky then before going home to Sweden. She's
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  Speaker 2: also caused trouble in Denmark and even more trouble in Norway.
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  Speaker 2: More trouble is the frequent flying flea of climate fear.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is Rowan Dean. It's her in chief of
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  Speaker 2: the Spectator Australia, host of Outsiders every Sunday at nine am,
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  Speaker 2: at host of his own show on Fridays at seven pm. Rowan,
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  Speaker 2: what kind of mind do you think thinks that the
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  Speaker 2: way to persuade people that the planet is in trouble
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  Speaker 2: is to go to Venice and dye the Grand Canal green.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Well, someone who isn't educated, someone who didn't go to school,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: And yes, that's growth to Turnberg. She dropped out at
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: a young age, and I don't think she's returned to
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: any kind of studies. You mentioned. She may well have
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: one of the largest footprints carbon footprints. I don't know
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: whether she does or she doesn't, but she certainly I'm
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: sure she's up there. But I tell you who has
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: the lowest carbon footprints of pretty much anyone on the
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: planet per capita, and that would be the people of Venice.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: And the reason they have such a low carbon footprint,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Andrew is, first off, there are no cars in Venice,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: not a single car. Everyone walks around the streets of
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Venice or goes on a boat on the canals, and
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: those boats get pushed by poles, which also don't have
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: any carbon. There's a couple of motor launches, that's true,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: but that they they're exclusively for James Bond and film stars.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: There's a couple of ferries that go up and down
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: the Grand Canal. The local delicacy in Venice is sea bass.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Sea bass is not, you know, meat intensive carbon farming.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: And if you're not up for the sea bass or
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: the other seafood delicacies which are very very low carbon footprint,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: you've also got pen air rubbiata, which is of course
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: a tomato and Chilian garlic based pasta. Again, no great
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: carbon footprint there. In terms of industry, the local industry
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: in Venice Andrew is glass blowing. They've been blowing the
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: glass the same way since Shakespeare's day, So I don't
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: think there's a huge kind of industrialization going on Venus.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: She's probably picked and this goes back to her lack
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: of education. The one town in the world where the
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: people of that town had the lowest carbon footprint per
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: capita of virtually anywhere else in the world. So if
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I were one of those descendants of the Borgeres or
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: the Medicis or any other grand Florentine or Venisian families,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't be throwing Greta out of the town. I'd
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: actually throwing her off the bridge of size and letting
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: her swim across the Liedo in her own green vomitas swill.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Well at the risk of, you know, to avoid us
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: being fact checked. The glass blows of Morano actually use gas.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I've seen them use gas. But I think that's about
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the only thing. Maybe a few cars on the lido.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: But I think you make an excellent point. I mean,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: of what did the poor people of Venice do to
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: deserve her? And I feel sorry for all those people
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: that were going to do the once in a lifetime pose.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Here I am in Venice in the house. Seriously run
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: but rowan to more serious topics. The United States has
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: now horrified the ABC and the left generally by telling
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: all its embassies, including the one in Canberra, to go
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: look at the data a migrant crime, which is actually darted.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: The governments here mostly refused to collect. I mean, it's
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: too sensitive. America's State Department has even said, we just
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: want to warn our friends that if you import a
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: rapid number of individuals of any background, particularly of a
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: culture that's radically different from Australia's no names given, without
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: any sort of mechanism for diffusing the impact, like you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: instead of having multiculturalism, that can lead to political unrest,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that can lead to economic instability. Now all this has
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: been called by the Cidney Morning Herald and intervention into
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: our domestic affairs and ABC presented Sally Sarah this morning,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I had to even wondered if America's information collecting should
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: be stopped here?
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: She is, should the United States be allowed to gather
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: data on migrants in Australia?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Should the United States be allowed to gather this information? Rown?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, what's the panic here?
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting, isn't it, Because whenever, I mean, I've
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: said repeatedly that Donald Trump's administration is going to come
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: to the rescue of Australia on the dreadful Under sixteen
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: media ban. Now it's coming to our rescue and immigration,
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: by the sounds of it, or excessive immigration. The point
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: here is Andrew that every time there's like a digital
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: ID discussion or an identity card or the World Economic
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Forum start talking about some kind of surveillance model or
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: everybody doing whatever, the argument is always, well, if you've
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: done nothing wrong, what's the problem. What's the problem with
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: this surveying? What's the problem with US keeping data on you?
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: What's the problem with US following you and tracking you?
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: If you're doing nothing wrong? And the same never replies
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: in it never applies in reverse.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: So I would say to the.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Sidney Morning Herald and the ABC, let's see all the
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: data on immigrants in Australia because if they've done nothing
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: wrong then that will be shown by the data. And
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: if there's higher or lower levels of crime or whatever
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: it might be, anything you care to name, let the
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: data fall where the data falls. The only reason for
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: not looking at data is because of what you're afraid
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: to find. So I would say to you, know, if
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: what the Sydney Morning Herald and the ABC are suggesting
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: is that we obscure and hide data, that to me
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: sounds dangerously like what happened in the UK, where various
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: immigrant communities were accused of various things, and for fear
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: of being labeled racist, the authorities right through right through
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: the authorities at council level, parliamentary level and so on
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: hid the data. And so I would say thank you
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: for the Americans for pointing out out to us that
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: a key role of our government to protect every Australian
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: immigrants included, every nationality included, every race, every religion included,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: is to be scrupulous with analyzing the data of what
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: people coming into this country vetted or unvetted or whatever
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: it might be. It could be three thousand gardens, it
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: could be this, it could be that, it could be
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: anyone from anywhere. Let's have the data on five years time,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: on ten years time, on twenty years time, and see
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: whether this policy of multiculturalism without enforced assimilation works or
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: doesn't work, and only the data can tell us that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And well, in Australia we have avoided collecting this data.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: It's quite extraordinary, and you know it allowed people like
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: the then Boss of Asia once. So I don't see
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: any link between refugees and terrorism here, when in fact
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's four Australians. Five Australians have been killed
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: in terrorist attacks by people we took in as refugees
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: from Muslim countries. But the US was looking for the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: kind of information that Denmark does collect, and I've got
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: to say that findings are confronting. It's collected the violent
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: crime conviction rates in Denmark per country of origin. And
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: as I scrolled down this graphic rowan from highest to
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the lowest, you should note that red is for immigrants
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: from Middle East and North African Muslim countries Kuwait, Tunisi,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: elevenon at the top, Black is for Denmark for the
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Danish born, and then blue down the line. The least
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: likely to commit crimes in violent crime in Denmark is
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: for immigrants from European countries, and then the immigrants with
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the very lowest conviction rate include Indians, Chinese and Australians.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: We're in the other group that's lowered in for ethnic Danes.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Now I've gone through those results, Rowan, are these inflammatory
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: results or educational important?
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Well, they're only inflammatory if you make them inflammatory by
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: hiding them and refusing to discuss them and refusing to
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: have an honest conversation between the government and the population
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: the people about what the immigration policies actually mean. If
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: you're not open, if you're not transparent, then that sort
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: of data becomes inflammatory because the government is hiding it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: And you've seen that right across Europe. It's the classic
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: left wing thing. We're going to do something, but we're
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: going to hide it and obscure it and not let
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: people know what the awful results of what our left
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: wing decisions are. The Australian people deserve the same honesty
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: that the Danish government is giving and let the data
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: fall where the data falls and let people see the
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: results and then form policy.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: Based on that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: We're always told follow the science, listen to the science, this,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: that and the other. So let's have the science on
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: immigration and let's have it given to us, honestly, as
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: well as the modeling of what our current policies look
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: will mean for the future demographics of this country. This
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: government's so keen on modeling. Let's have the modeling of
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: the financial impacts, the work impacts, the housing impacts, the
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: social cohesion impacts of the government's current immigration policies.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I have to say that Britain's labor government has
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: now promised to do similar releases of data this year.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I believe it when I see it, but that's what
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: they've promised. Rowan Deane, thank you so much, indeed for
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: your time. After the break, How grown senators monster a
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: nineteen year old telling the truth about nuclear power. I'll
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: show you and honestly, it's terrible. The Albanize the government
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: keeps telling us nuclear power is no good and it
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: must a banned. But Japan is now close to reopening
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the world's biggest nuclear plant, with three reactors there. This
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: was among many Japanese plants were closed after the Fukushima
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: scare in twenty eleven. And back then the Fukushima plant,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: as you might remember, was hit by an earthquake and
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: then by a tsunami, and then there was some leak
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: of radiation. But not a single person died of nuclear
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: contamination then or sense, not one now. That news will
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: probably amaze opponents of nuclear power. I doubt that any
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: would have even heard that before. Not one person dead,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: despite anti nuclear activists at the time predicting up to
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: a million dead. Join me, as Will Shackle, head of
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Australians for Nuclear which has tried for years to get
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: out the truth about nuclear power to fight the lies.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: We'll great to see you again. What does the potential
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: reopening of this giant plant in the world tell.
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: Us, Well, there's been a seismic shift on nuclear attitudes worldwide,
• 32:06
  Speaker 12: whether it's here in Japan. We have them moving on
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: from Fukushima, taking the lessons learned to restart some of
• 32:12
  Speaker 12: the reactors at the biggest nuclear power plant worldwide, or
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: even in the United States restarting the Three Mile Island
• 32:19
  Speaker 12: one of their reactors in a deal with Microsoft to
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: power their data centers. And the reason they're restarting is
• 32:25
  Speaker 12: because the world realizes that we need nuclear power in
• 32:27
  Speaker 12: the mix to provide affordable energy and to meet this
• 32:30
  Speaker 12: moment to power the rising electricity demand for future industries
• 32:34
  Speaker 12: such as ais so Australia is falling behind the rest
• 32:37
  Speaker 12: of the world as they go to the depths of
• 32:39
  Speaker 12: restarting older reactors to meet these needs.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you mentioned the Three Mile Island one
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: because an accident there again that killed nobody, inspired that
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: movie China Syndrome to spook the whole world into you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: we've got to ban nuclear power, and now it's being reopened.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Will there was another reason I wanted to talk to
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: you tonight now, As I said, activists back then, we're
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: claiming the Fukushimi reactor wol kill thousands of people. I
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: remember being then on the Channel Knows the Channel tens
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the project and being yelled at by producers for saying
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't be listening to extremists saying, oh, you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: people with two heads and all that. One Irish professor
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: even said more than a million would die. In fact
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: they've killed none. Now, this is the misinformation that you're
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: astrands for nuclear was formed to fight. But what really
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: got my goat last week was the extraordinarily hostile treatment
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: you got from Greens and Labor members of federal parliaments
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Select Committee on Information, Integrity, on Climate Change and Energy.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: They treated you as a stooge of fossil fuels in
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: the nuclear energy industry, as a liberal stooge, as a
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: sinister influence of the last election campaign. I just want
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: to give you as a taste of that shameful pylon.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Here it is.
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: Peter Dutton, during the campaign walked around telling anyone who
• 34:06
  Speaker 13: would listen, platforming on a national stage, that the amount
• 34:10
  Speaker 13: of waste from nuclear plants would would fit into a
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: code camp. Why did you not use your platform and
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: your own voice during the campaign to refute that information
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: that Peter Dutton was propagating.
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: Well, it's a well known fact that the amount of
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: fuel needed to power someone completely over their lifetime with
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: nuclear powers the size of a coke can.
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: But that's not what Peter Dutton says.
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: But I only believe that he said that on one occasion.
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: Now you obviously have to go through my social media records.
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: I would have hoped that I would have responded to that.
• 34:42
  Speaker 13: Anyone from the Liberal Party with your indulgence chair advise
• 34:47
  Speaker 13: you against correcting Peter Dutton's record.
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: No, I'm not sure who you'd been applying would have
• 34:54
  Speaker 12: that can That's.
• 34:55
  Speaker 13: Fine, I'm just asking that.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: But and then questions, you know, are you being funded
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: by this and that? And mate, what did you make
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: of that treatment of you?
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: Look, it fell like a massive stitch up in a
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: waste of time. I was there to talk about one
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: of the biggest disinformation campaigns we've ever seen, over three
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: million dollar nuclear scare campaign where there was lies like
• 35:20
  Speaker 12: nuclear would cost six hundred billion dollars, be three point
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: seven percent of the grid three I'd fish all the
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: rest of it, and I wasn't asked once. Instead, they
• 35:27
  Speaker 12: seemed to not understand that a young person could take
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: an informed and educate a position on energy and climate
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: policy in Australia. Australia is the only member of the
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: G twenty with a band on nuclear power, and for
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: them to instead of asking me about my informed opinions
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: on nuclear power, what experts think, and why I think
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: this disinformation campaign we recently saw was so terrible for
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: Australia's energy debate, they instead tried to drill me down
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: on and make all of these conspiracy theories about me
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: and my organization Nuclear for Australia.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I found it extraording that a Labor senator of a
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: party that lied about the cost of nuclear power again
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: and again and again and again and again should nail you,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: or try to nail you for not allegedly not correcting
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: one misspeak once. But Peter Dutton, I mean really, now
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: to your point about nuclear power and Australia, can Australia
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: keep affording to ban nuclear power?
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: Well, look, I would have loved if we'd built a
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: nuclear reactor a decade ago, but the next best time
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: is now. Australia is very well placed, especially with all
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: the developments with the Orcis nuclear submarine program. We're starting
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: at a strong foundation and we should start now to
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: meet our current energy challenges, whether it's with rising power bills,
• 36:51
  Speaker 12: rising electricity demand and also the decarbonization challenge.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I don't want to create conniptions among the Greens and
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Labor senators that were demanding to know who your donors were,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: so you know that would have had you delivered the names,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: no doubt they'd be harassed at home as you've been
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: harassed at your home and at your father's home. How
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: can people supporting your work and you've got climate scientists,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: renowned climate scientists on your body, how can they donate?
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: People can visit our website at Nuclearfreustralia dot com to
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: sign up or donate to support Newclear for Australia's work.
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: I'm incredibly grateful to the over one hundred and fifteen
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: thousand Australians who support our work to help educate Australians
• 37:42
  Speaker 12: about nuclear power and help cut through some of this
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: disinformation we've been seeing.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Well, let's hope this then makes that monstering of you
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: last week backfire will shackle. Thank you so much indeed
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: for your time After the break a real White House scandal,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: A secret transcript has been released showing one of Donald
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Trump's key advisors on Ukraine actually coaching Russian President Vladimir Putin.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Someone I think of Russian has leaked a transcript that
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: exposes Donald Trump's worst diplomat as a secret Putin shill.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: It shows that real estate billionaire Steve Whitkoff, who Trump
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: asks to negotiate a piece deal for him between Russia
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and Ukraine, actually coached Putin on how to get Trump
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: on his side. Now, I've shown in the past that
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Witkoff is such a Putin fanboy that has put his
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: hand on his heart just that the sight of him,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: and has pushed for Ukraine to effectively surrender to Putin's invasion.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: But what we learn now is even worse. This transcript,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: leaked to Bloomberg is of a phone call six weeks
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: ago between In Whitkof and Yuri Ushakov, a senior advisor
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: to the Russian President Vladimir Putin. In it, Witkoff warns
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that President Trump was about to meet Ukraine's president Vladimir Zelenski,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: and Putin should get in first with a phone call
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and some flattery, and Witcoff told Putin's advisor, I would
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: make the call and just reiterate that you congratulate you
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: being Putin, congratulate the president on his achievement. This is
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the peace deal with Gaza and over Gaza, that you
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: supported it, that you respect that this man of peace.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: So I would say, this is Witkoff still talking. I
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: would say that I think from that it's going to
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: be a really good call, because let me tell you
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: what I told the president that you the Russian Federation
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: always wanted a peace deal. I'm even thinking we may
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: be set out like a twenty point piece proposal, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: that is exactly what happened. Putin Rang Trump flatted him.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: This is just the head of Zelenski's visits to the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: White House. Putin Range, Trump flattered him, said he wanted
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: peace and talked Trump out of letting Ukraine have the
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Tomahawk missiles that Zelenski was actually going to Washington to
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: ask for. And now a month later we did get,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: apparently with lots of Russian input, not Ukrainian, a twenty
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: eight point piece plan that again asked for Ukraine's surrender,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: although that's now been written to actually be almost one
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: hundred and eight degrees different. Joining me are Gemintarini columnists
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: and communications consultant Caroline Russo, President of the West Australian Liberals.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I got to say, Jemma, this league about Trump trusting
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: a real estate tycoon that happened to be his golf
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: buddy with negotiating peace with Putin that was always going
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: to win in tears, But this is something else.
• 41:04
  Speaker 14: It's extraordinarily embarrassing. At the lowest point, I think for
• 41:09
  Speaker 14: the President concerning on the other end of the scale.
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: The only thing I would say, Andrew, is that there
• 41:17
  Speaker 14: is some look, I think there is some wisdom in
• 41:21
  Speaker 14: departing from the usual sort of political people, people who
• 41:26
  Speaker 14: have only existed in the political ecosystem for all of
• 41:30
  Speaker 14: their careers. There's some wisdom in bringing people from corporate life,
• 41:34
  Speaker 14: aka the real world in to negotiate and solve knotty problems.
• 41:38
  Speaker 14: That's one thing. I don't think we should tar all
• 41:40
  Speaker 14: of that with the one brush. But this just seems
• 41:43
  Speaker 14: extraordinarily tainted. And the other thing that must be repeated
• 41:47
  Speaker 14: and shouted at every opportunity is that the international community
• 41:52
  Speaker 14: has allowed Putin to act with impunity for years, four years.
• 41:57
  Speaker 14: So this situation in the Ukraine isn't you know, Obviously,
• 42:01
  Speaker 14: the war aside, and the time that the war has
• 42:03
  Speaker 14: been dragging on aside, the situation with the Ukraine is
• 42:06
  Speaker 14: just a symptom of a broader problem. Putin's a madman,
• 42:10
  Speaker 14: you know. He blows up hospitals, he kills kids, and
• 42:12
  Speaker 14: nobody bats an eilid. There's a little bit of a
• 42:14
  Speaker 14: waggle of the finger from the United Nations and the
• 42:16
  Speaker 14: EU and all that sort of stuff. But when you
• 42:19
  Speaker 14: compare it to the international community's response to Israel looking
• 42:23
  Speaker 14: the wrong way, for example, it's absolutely disproportionate. So there's
• 42:26
  Speaker 14: so many things at play here that are wrapped up
• 42:28
  Speaker 14: in who Putin is and the extraordinarily extraordinary influence he's
• 42:33
  Speaker 14: been allowed to wield unchecked and unchallenged by the international community.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: No, I totally agree with you on that first, on
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that last point, and I agree with you that you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: reach outside the diplomatic corps for someone who can get
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you the angles. But and that's why I'm a big
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: fan of Jared Kushner, Trump's son in law, what he
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: did to negotiate the abraham A cause. Absolutely, But this
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: guy is a pro putent, shill and a fool. And
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: now it's been exposed. What do you make of this all, Caroline.
• 43:08
  Speaker 11: Well, in a way, it's always interesting when these sorts
• 43:11
  Speaker 11: of things get leaked because you do get a real insight.
• 43:14
  Speaker 11: And now obviously that we know about this information Andrew,
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: that bit of surprise or that bit of flattery or
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: whatever is is all gone. I'm sure that I'm sure
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: that government officials have conversations with government officials from other
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: countries all the time about how to manage the boss,
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: so to speak. But this is a really particular circumstance
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: because obviously putin being who he is and like Jemma said,
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: acting with impunity. And obviously the worst example of that
• 43:43
  Speaker 11: was the takeover of Crimea just days after the Sotchy
• 43:46
  Speaker 11: Olympics finished, and Obama was like, oh, we don't really
• 43:52
  Speaker 11: like that, but oh well, whatever, let's look over here.
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: So this has been going on for a very long time,
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: and no wonder he is behaving the way he is
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: and thinking that, you know, he can get away with this.
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: In relation to the US, it does not help when
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: someone on the US side of the ledger who's meant
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: to be helping to negotiate peace between two other parties,
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: it seems to be kind of, you know, moving a
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: little too favorably, I think for everyone's liking in one direction.
• 44:20
  Speaker 11: But I think it's very interesting that this has come
• 44:23
  Speaker 11: to light, and I think a lot of people will
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: look at this and take quite a different lens to
• 44:28
  Speaker 11: where these negotiations go from here. And frankly, I don't
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: think it reflects particularly well on the US, and I
• 44:35
  Speaker 11: don't think it reflects particularly well on Russia to be
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: very interesting to see what sort of support comes in
• 44:41
  Speaker 11: behind Ukraine following this.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Leake, Oh look, I hope you are right on that point.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: But honestly, this is like, you know, someone from Churchill's
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: team coaching Hitler on how we get around you know,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Churchill's good side to make a good deal over Poland.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just dis graceful. Speaking of both of
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: you with Italian background, you must have been so upset
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: with this credit Tunberg, start me and help helping to
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: turn the Grand Canal green. This is in fact part
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: of a stunt that turned lots of other Italian tourism
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: sites green, from Turin too to Sicily. Does this kind
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: of stunt still work? Will it work in Italy for
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: a start?
• 45:29
  Speaker 14: I reckon, let them, let them, let the Italians loose
• 45:32
  Speaker 14: on them like she's just the most revolting little brat.
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: I reckon just let her loose in Piazza San Marco
• 45:39
  Speaker 14: or Piazza d Milano and let people deal with her.
• 45:41
  Speaker 14: She is an absolute She is an unmitigated, unintelligent, childish, reckless, destructive,
• 45:51
  Speaker 14: brainless brat, and it's all about her. That's just screaming,
• 45:56
  Speaker 14: look at me have her visa revoked, throw out of
• 45:59
  Speaker 14: the cunt, never let her back in, like literally, never
• 46:02
  Speaker 14: let her back in.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't want any harm to come.
• 46:11
  Speaker 14: To her, No, of course, not literally, not literally, Andrew.
• 46:16
  Speaker 14: But you know what I'm saying here Like this, there
• 46:21
  Speaker 14: are no consequences. I mean, maybe they'd make her eat
• 46:23
  Speaker 14: instant pasta or something, you know, that could be the punishment.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Caroline, what did you think of this desecration of your parents' homeland?
• 46:34
  Speaker 11: Well, Andrew, interestingly, I think your premise for our question
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: was it I don't think it's correct. I'm not sure
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: that this has ever worked. What I think it has
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: been in the past is tolerated. And I think we're
• 46:46
  Speaker 11: now getting to the point where people are not tolerating
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: it anymore, and people are a bit over it. And
• 46:51
  Speaker 11: people have realized that all of this performance and all
• 46:54
  Speaker 11: of this carry on, the hyperventilating the history onic rubbish,
• 46:59
  Speaker 11: has actually got nothing at all to do with saving
• 47:02
  Speaker 11: the environment or being green and clean and all those
• 47:05
  Speaker 11: other wonderful things. I think people have come to see
• 47:08
  Speaker 11: it for what it is, which is just you know,
• 47:12
  Speaker 11: anarkey hate for the West. All of those sorts of
• 47:14
  Speaker 11: things let them, let them keep going. And the thing
• 47:18
  Speaker 11: about Italians, they've survived for two and a half thousand years, Andrew,
• 47:23
  Speaker 11: they've survived at all. If Greta Turmberg thinks that she's
• 47:26
  Speaker 11: going to get the better of the Italians, well good
• 47:29
  Speaker 11: luck to you. Love, you got no chance. If Hannibal
• 47:32
  Speaker 11: couldn't do it, you can't do it.
• 47:34
  Speaker 14: What a brat, though, honestly for.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: A little while. But yes, listen, I've only got a
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: minute and a half, which is not enough for this
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: grand topic. Better, just quickly from each of you, Susan Lee,
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: are you seeing any revival in you know, some up
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: and go that you weren't seeing before?
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: Very quickly for you, Jimmy, very quickly from me. I
• 47:56
  Speaker 14: had given up, and Caroline knows that I had given
• 47:59
  Speaker 14: up about two weeks ago, and then all of a sudden,
• 48:01
  Speaker 14: I feel like there's perhaps a sceric of hope. I
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: think she does need to have clean air, and that's
• 48:06
  Speaker 14: been given to her, so that's a positive. I would
• 48:10
  Speaker 14: say she's bought herself a lifeline, doesn't have a lot
• 48:13
  Speaker 14: of time left, but she's heading in the right direction.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: What do you make well, Caroline is a bit hard
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: asking the president of West Stream Liberal Party to give
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: a free and frank character assessment.
• 48:24
  Speaker 14: Exactly. Blink, Caroline, blink, blink. If you need rescuing, Carol, I.
• 48:27
  Speaker 11: Don't know, but I can hang on a second, hang
• 48:31
  Speaker 11: on a second, what I will say. And today's a
• 48:34
  Speaker 11: great example. Those inflation figures were an absolute gift. And
• 48:40
  Speaker 11: to see Ted O'Brien out, to see Susan out, to
• 48:44
  Speaker 11: see a number of our MPs out, and everyone prosecuting
• 48:47
  Speaker 11: the economic argument absolutely gives me hope.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well we shall see. Look, I'm still thinking that
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: the knives are out for her, but she has a chance,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: she has a chance to turn perceptions around, and I
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: think the last couple of weeks she's been doing some
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: of that already. Gemn Toori, Carolin de Russo, thank you
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: very much to you both. I see that Victoria the
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Victorian Premier is going to apologize a formal apology to
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Aborigines on December nine for systemic injustices. Apologize for ruining
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Victoria Premiere. Before you start apologizing for things none of
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: us ever did. That's it from me, Sherry Marxon up next.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Good Night,