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Epi 484 Relationship Goals: Understanding Boundaries, Communication, and Individuality · Celeste The Therapist

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little different. So I was on
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vacation. I'm going to be
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celebrating my 16 year wedding anniversary, marriage
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anniversary on September 6th. And
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we went to the Bahamas. I had a great time. And I did not
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go live last Wednesday. So I'm just recording this
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episode. I wanna talk about relationship goals. So
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this is not on YouTube, but this is just me kind
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of giving you some insight on
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relationships. It's such a hot topic. And in the fall,
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I plan on bringing back my live episodes with
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Jeff Rogers. Currently, I am building out my wellness
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practice. So if you're new here, I started a wellness practice
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in Stoughton, Massachusetts. And it
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different classes, yoga, meditation. There's also
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gonna be therapy, a podcasting space if
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people wanted to rent podcasting room to do
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their podcasts. So it's gonna be a really unique place
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that I'm so excited about. It's a vision I've had for a long time. And honestly, I
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really can't believe I'm executing. But if you go to stwyt.com,
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and the acronym is shifting the way you think, but it's stwyt.com, you
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can learn a little bit more about the wellness practice. But
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I want to talk about relationship goals. I actually wrote a book. It's
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a really small book, a quick read. called
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Relationship Goals. And the reason why, uh, I was passionate about
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writing it is because of the work that I do. So I talk to
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people and I hear about relationships. I see what
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it looks like online. I see when people post a picture and
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they, they look so nice and they have matching Christmas pajamas on
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something about that picture. People will write under it like relationship
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goals. Oh my God, that's what I want. And, uh, I
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need for people to know what real relationship goals are because a
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picture doesn't tell you anything. And a lot of times what happens is
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that people are looking at their relationship and
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they are comparing it to somebody's highlighted room. So
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a lot of times we tend to show the good things on social media.
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Um, but when my husband pisses me off, I'm not gonna like put that on social
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media or if I piss him off, right? Those things aren't shown on
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social media. Sometimes they are, I know, but most times people
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are looking at highlighted reels. And so I
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want to give you these eight different things that
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I kind of created, where if you really
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want relationship goals, I want you to think about this. So,
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the first one is thinking about who am I? If you don't
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know who you are, if you don't know your wants, your
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needs, it'll be really hard for you to be in a relationship. So,
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if you are somebody that's in a relationship or want to get in a relationship, get
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to know yourself, right? I always tell people if
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you're not comfortable with being alone, Uh, meaning
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like, um, even though I'm in a relationship, I'm still comfortable and
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doing things on my own. Um, I don't feel like I need him
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to survive. I feel like he's an added bonus to what I
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have. Did I always feel that way? No. You
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know, when I look back, I recognize that I looked
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at the relationship as something that was going to complete me.
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And I had it all wrong So, you know, I had to do a lot of work on
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myself in order to get to the place that I am to understand that
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He's an added bonus to what I already have. So if
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you want relationship goals, the first thing I need you to understand is who you are
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The second thing that's important is understanding your boundaries.
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Everybody's boundaries look different, right? And if
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you don't understand what you're willing to accept and not
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accept, then how do you end
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up maintaining a healthy relationship? Non-negotiables
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are like domestic violence, non-negotiable, right? But
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there are some other things in relationships that some people are like, no, that's
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fine. I don't care if my partner does that or we're okay
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with this, right? Understanding what you're willing to
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accept and not accept is key because what's happening is I
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think that people are rushing into relationships because
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it feels like that's what's missing. Thinking about like the American dream
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by what people, You got your car, your house, and
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a relationship, right? I've
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been married for almost 16 years. September 6th, 16 years I've been
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married. People aren't saying like, oh, why are
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you married? But if I've been single, people would be like, oh, why are you
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single, right? That question and the way it's questioned is why are
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you single? It makes it seem like it's something wrong with being single. And
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I think that because of the way society looks
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at singleness, as if like something's wrong with you,
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sometimes people jump the gun. Or culturally,
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right? Some people in certain cultures, having
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a partner, having a child is something that's kind
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of expected. You may be looked down
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upon if you don't have that. And so you
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don't realize that you've been conditioned to, like, rush into this relationship
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that may not work for you. So really be mindful on your boundaries.
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So that's number two, right? So one, who am I? Two, what are my boundaries?
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Three, what are we? This is a challenging question
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for people. And people will
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start dating, may even start sleeping
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together. Feelings start taking place. Somebody
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may be afraid to ask, what are we? And honestly, being
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mindful on what you're looking for when you are in
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a relationship is important, because
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there's different types of relationships and what they look like is
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gonna look different. But I do understand that in
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2024, people are really struggling with communicating. As
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my daughter says, I was born in the 1900s. I'm an 80s
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baby. And so we didn't have texting or social media. So
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we were only able to talk on the phone. So I think, you know,
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for my generation and before, talking was a little bit
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easier. And I think, you know, people who
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kind of came up in the texting era, it's
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more challenging. You know, don't put
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yourself into something that you don't know what it is. And
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don't say, I kind of fell into it, right? It takes two to tangle. And
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sometimes we don't want to ask that question because we're afraid
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that it's going to turn somebody off. They're not going to want to be
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around, right? The, uh, what can happen is like
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that person may say, like, I don't want to like be anything other than whatever
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we're doing. And regardless of what it is, if
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you know your boundaries, you're going to know what you're willing to accept. So
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the, what are we statement? It's not to that
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I'm saying, once you start dating, you have to solidify like, oh, you're
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my partner, my life partner, but. Be mindful if
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you are looking for a life partner or if you're just looking for to
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date around, like just be mindful on what you're looking for. Uh,
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so that's number three, number four. What do
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I bring to the table? Being mindful on
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what you're coming to the relationship with is
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so important. So
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many times we get into relationships with issues from
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our past and we place those issues on our partner. You
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know, understanding what you came into the relationship with. I came from
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a house where there was a lot of chaos. My partner
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comes from a two parent household where there wasn't a lot of chaos. I
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come from an American single parent household he comes from.
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a Haitian culturally household, right? So we
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both came to the relationship with two different mindsets
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on what it looks like. And I do believe people want
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a healthy relationship, but if you were never exposed to it,
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it's not just going to fall into your lap. It's something that you really
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have to work for. You really have to be mindful on when
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you're in it and understanding where your kind
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of mindsets are coming from. You're not going to agree on everything. At
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the beginning, it does feel good. It feels like, oh my God, this is going to be like
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the feeling of it feels good until those little, little things come
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up. And you know, One thing I always say is
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that our triggers, you know, we feel
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it more in relationships because we're so connected. So
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it's really important to understand what you're coming to the table with culturally, what
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you're coming to the table with your triggers, your trauma, because what
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happens is that that's being placed on the other person when
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you don't realize it's happening. So a feeling
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could happen that's eerily similar to something that
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happened growing up. And if you're not mindful of
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that, right, that connection, you may be placing it
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on your partner when it doesn't need to be. So
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not just like mentally thinking about like what you're, what
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you're coming to the table with, but also thinking about the different aspects
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of relationships. What are your weaknesses? What are your, what are your strengths?
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You know, I know somebody whose partner will purchase their clothes
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and the things that they need. So my husband hates shopping. Right.
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Another example of people will say like, Oh, He
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never, or she never takes me anywhere. Mostly I hear he, but never
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takes me anywhere. They never plan for trips. So,
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you know, these things being mindful of in my relationship, my husband
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literally does not plan for trips. He does not
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like shopping. I'm the person that
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kind of does that. And it works out, but there are
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some things that I don't want to do. I don't like getting gas. I don't cut the
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grass. I don't, uh, get an oil change. Um,
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he will, uh, take the kids where they need to go. Like there is
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different things that I do well and other things that he
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does well, but we work together to figure out what's going to
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work for our dynamic. Right. I'm not looking at social media
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and looking at what other people's partners are doing. I'm
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looking at what's going to work for my household. So really being mindful
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on what are your strengths? What are your weaknesses? How can
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we work together? And what am I bringing
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to the table? So
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when you understand each other's strengths and weaknesses, it
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starts to look better. But you're probably wondering,
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how do I know what I bring to the table? And also, how do we come
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together with what we have? Before coming together, it's
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important to individually take a real honest look at your relationship, thinking
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about what am I providing in this relationship? What does my partner provide
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in this relationship? What do I need help with? If you feel like
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there are areas where you bring to the relationship and you
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want help with, write it out. Think about what it looks like.
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I, as I'm sharing this, this is not something I came into my relationship
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understanding. This
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is something where I wanted to be, Oh my gosh, I want it to
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be this great mom, this great wife. I'm cooking, I'm cleaning, I'm
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doing all this stuff. And I'll never forget. Um,
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I remember he was sitting down watching TV and I
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was sweeping and I was like overwhelmed and I was like, Oh,
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you're not helping me. He was like, Oh, you didn't, I didn't know
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you needed help. You've, you've been doing it on your own, you know? This
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is early in our relationship and I'm the
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oldest daughter, right? And I
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had a lot of expectations put on me with my younger siblings,
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very independent. So me asking for help was
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foreign. I did everything on my own. And so
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in my relationship, I had to be mindful and really like start
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to ask for help. Now it works out better. Like I
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speak up, he sees when I may be trying
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to be too independent and speaks up as well. So being
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mindful of that. Now, after each person completes
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this task, make intentional plans to go over your notes before
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doing this. Be aware that you may not like what is being said and you may struggle
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with your partner's perception of the relationship. Intentionally
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working on not internalizing their viewpoints and
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responding angrily. The reality is, is that this
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is how they feel. Their feelings should be acknowledged. It may be helpful to
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have different sessions and meetings where you explore these
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things that are being said. Now, the key words in
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this meeting are patience and compromise. Remember
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that relationships take work. You are two people with two
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different viewpoints and perspectives. If you find yourself struggling
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in these areas with your plans, you can work on it
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over time by being intentional. really being mindful
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that this is a journey. And, you know, I think
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that our ego doesn't want us to be great sometimes, because
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if your partner is talking about things that are
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hard for you to hear, remember they're thinking it, whether they say
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it or not. So it's really important to work through
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it. It may not be worked in one session. It could happen over
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time, but the key word is to keep working on it. I always say
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like, you know, these businesses that are amazing, or
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the job that you have, you guys are having staff meetings, right?
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Weekly, monthly, bi-weekly, you're having these meetings
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because you wanna go over the things that are going right, the things that need
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support on whatever it is, that needs to happen in relationships
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as well. You know, we grow up, there's this really amazing
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book called All About Love by Bell Hooks,
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and she talks about how we grow up with this idea of
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love as a feeling, And we learned, whether it's
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from our caretakers, from TV, but especially TV and movies,
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you know, you meet the person and you grow up and you live happily ever
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after. They don't talk about what that realistically looks
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like. So really being mindful on being
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intentional about addressing these things around what
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you are bringing to the table is so important. So
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number one, we said, who am I is important. What
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are my boundaries? What are we, what do I bring
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to the table? The next one I want you to think about is maintaining individuality
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in the relationship. Now, you know,
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I said, I didn't think of my relationship as
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me being an individual. It was like, it felt like, oh, this is going to complete
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me. This is what I'm missing. Um, when in fact I was missing
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my individuality and the relationship. Now,
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when people start a relationship, unfortunately, uh,
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they tend to forget their needs and put
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everything into what does my partner want? What does my partner need?
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Um, that happens a lot, right? Where sometimes you are
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not doing the things that you did before and you get really lost in your
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relationship. You start to center your life around that
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relationship, which can be really challenging. And
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remember, the first part of relationship goals
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is who am I, right? So if you know who you are, trying to
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stay true to who you are while you're in a relationship. I've
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also seen people dedicate their selves, not
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just to their partner, but to their kids. And then when their kids leave home,
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they struggle with that. Right. So really
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being mindful on making sure you
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are creating individuality while you're in a relationship. And so
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how can you work on that? I want you to spend some time
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creating a system that involves you doing something for yourself. This
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will not feel comfortable at first, especially if it's something you've never
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done or you've been taught to do, but it's so important. And
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please, please understand that this is such a journey. Now
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we said, who am I? We said, what are my boundaries? What are
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we, what do I bring to the table? Maintaining your
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individuality in a relationship. Uh, the next one
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is keeping outsiders out. This is important guys. So,
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uh, in relationships, you know, you're going to have some
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struggles that come up being mindful on who you share those struggles with.
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right? A lot of times people are getting counsel from people that
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don't even understand a relationship because they've never
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had a successful one, or they may have a different
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perspective on some of the things you're struggling with
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that they don't understand. So Really being mindful on
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who you are talking to about your relationship, especially if
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you're online talking about your relationship being mindful I
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feel like people that are more private about their relationship. It
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tends to look a little different Because
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you won't have so many people making comments on what's going on
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really being conscious of Really
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being conscious of social media. And are you
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looking for validation in your social media posts that
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you post about your relationship, right? It's important to
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not create a life that looks good on social media, but
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a life that looks great, like a real, really great, not
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just what it appears to be. And a lot of people, unfortunately are
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crafting these really perfect relationship looking
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goals. Uh, but not putting that work into their own
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relationship. So, you know, whether it's social media,
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whether it's family, whether it's friends, being mindful
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that your journey and your relationship is your journey, it may
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look different for someone else's. So be
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really mindful on who you share with. The
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next one, so important, y'all. We got two more. The
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next one is communicating with your partner. You
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know, like I said, businesses that do well, they're
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having meetings, really being mindful on talking
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to your partner on a regular basis. People are in
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10, 20, 30 year relationships and they do not talk or communicate about
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hard things. When things happen, it gets brushed under the
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rug. Don't be silent when you are struggling with
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something in a relationship because you're going to end up building resentment against
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that person or you will find yourself feeling miserable
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in a relationship. We only have one life. Why
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create a life that you don't
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have a voice in when it comes to your relationship? If
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you are struggling with communicating with your partner, it's okay. It's
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going to feel uncomfortable, especially if you've never watched a healthy relationship
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take place. Sometimes people have grown up in situations where
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there was so much chaos or they, in their household, people
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screamed all the time or in their household, nobody expressed their emotions
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in a healthy way. And so be mindful on
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your communication style, be mindful. And if you're holding
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things back, that's troubling you in your relationship. And
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if you want to start that process, right, if you're listening and
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you're saying, you know what, I do struggle with communicating with
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my partner. I want to give you some things
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to think about. So when finding a good time to talk,
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I recommend planning it out. There were times when I wanted to have conversations
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and did not take into account his time. If he's
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getting off of work or watching a show, and here I
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am with my big feelings wanting to talk, And then I
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would get in my feelings if he didn't really want to talk. At the end of the day, your
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partner's an adult. And so being mindful on
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kind of trying to schedule a time to talk, if
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that's something you want to do. Face-to-face conversations are
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important, especially when it comes to difficult topics. Making
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sure that you are on the same page is so important. Face-to-face
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is great. And even if, let's say, you struggle with communicating verbally,
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you can even write it out or start with the text and say, hey,
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this is what I want to talk about, and put it in a text
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message, and then try to move the conversation to
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face-to-face. That's so important. Now,
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when you are having conversations that are intentional, it's important to
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not just talk about the hard things, but bring up the positive things that are
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taking place in the relationship. I feel like, you know, I always
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say, if you eat at a restaurant 50 times, right? The 50th
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time you get food sick, you probably ain't gonna wanna go back, cause
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it's gonna stick out more. That's what happens in relationships. There
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are a lot of good things that could be happening in your relationship, But
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the hard things that are going unnoticed that are not being talked about,
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unfortunately, is crowding your judgment on your relationship. So
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really being mindful on when
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you are having conversations to also talk about the things that are
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going well. Work on understanding your
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emotions about the situation you are going to talk about before meeting with
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your partner. Language is important. Be sure you're using
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language like, when you did not call, I felt concerned about you and
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it made me scared. Not, why didn't you call me to
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tell me you were not coming home right away? The latter statement
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automatically will put your partner on the defense and feel like an attack and
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also feel like you are coming off as a parental figure. In
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a relationship, you are partners. In the first statement, you're
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allowing your partner to know how your behavior makes
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them feel, and it turns into a different conversation. Language
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is so important. So really being mindful, especially if
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it's something hard that you're dealing with, checking with yourself, what
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are you feeling? Why am I feeling it? Because sometimes those emotions that
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you're feeling could be faulty, right? Emotions aren't
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facts. They're trying to tell us something, which means it could be something in your past
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that's coming up based off of the situation at hand. And
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really thinking about how to express that to your partner in a way where
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you're not putting them on a defense. Because if they're on a defense and
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they shut down, then what's the point? Nothing gets solved. Being
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honest when communicating is important. Sometimes people will say what
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they think their partner wants to hear. Now, if
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this is you, you are doing yourself a disservice because you're
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not having your needs met. When
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you're communicating, be mindful of your body language. You may
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not say things to make your partner feel uncomfortable or attacked, but
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your body language could tell a different story. And then never
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forget it's a journey. You know, as you're trying to communicate and learn how to
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talk about these hard things, it's going to take a while to
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get on the same page, but it's important. The
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last thing when it comes to relationship goals is
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staying on the same page, right? So
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the first thing we said is, who am I? The second thing
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is, what are my boundaries? The third thing is, what are we being mindful
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of that? The next one is, what do I bring to the table? Maintaining
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individuality in the relationship. keeping outsiders
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out, communicating with your partner, and staying on the same page.
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Now, if you want to stay on the same page with your
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partner, you really got to be mindful
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on staying connected and communicating with them on
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a regular basis. When you are
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in a relationship long-term, I started
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dating my husband when I was 19, and
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I'm about to be 42. So I'm
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not the same 19 year old that, and he's not the same
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19 year old that we met. And so we
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change over time, right? So as I'm growing and changing, if
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we're not growing together, it's really gonna be hard to stay
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on the same page. It's gonna be hard to stay connected. And
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again, like I said earlier, relationships don't just happen by
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accident, they happen intentionally. The hard conversations that
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you're gonna have to have is actually gonna allow you guys to be closer
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because now you're not holding on to so much resentment with
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your partner or with the situation. And you know, when you're
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holding onto things in a relationship, what happens is your mind
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starts to continue to look for evidence that that's the case, right? So,
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you know, if I said, uh, you know, like I used the
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example earlier, Oh, well, why you didn't call me and
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tell me you wasn't coming home. And let's say my mind was like, look
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at that. He doesn't care about you. And then what, if
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I don't address that, what's going to happen is my mind's going to
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start to distort a lot of things and look for ways to
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help me see he doesn't care, which may not
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be true. It may be the way that I'm framing it. So
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as you are growing in your relationship, especially if you're in
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a long-term relationship, unfortunately, sometimes people are
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growing separately. It's important to make sure you try to stay connected
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and stay on the same page as you're trying to navigate this.
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So in conclusion, a relationship is
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a journey. It's going to be filled with a lot of ups and downs. You can
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always come back to, you know, this podcast,
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or you can All right, so in
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conclusion, a relationship is a journey. It's filled with so many ups and downs. The
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things I talked about today will allow you to work on
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having a foundation. When you think of a house
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and how it's built, it's important that it's built on solid ground. Having
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frequent conversations and check-ins allows for you to build
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a solid relationship. Does that mean there will be no cracks
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or leaks? Once a house is built, does it
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stay perfect the entire time? No, it
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does not. If we are mindful and intentional about paying attention
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to when things go wrong in the house, the house will remain
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solid because we will be fixing it in real time. What
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happens when we let a house go? You see an abandoned house
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that may have once been beautiful, it ends up dilapidating.
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Is that how you say dilapidated? Huh? How you
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say dilapidated? Dilapidated? I
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said it right? OK. Dilapidated. Yeah,
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dilapidated. OK. Dilapidated. What happens when we let a house go? You
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see an abandoned house that may have once been beautiful. It
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ends up dilapidated. That is what happens to
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our relationship if we do not pay attention to it, if we let it
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go. We find ourselves abandoning one another. I
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hope this episode helps you have a better understanding
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of how relationships can work. I do believe
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if you're intentional about it, you can work on maintaining a
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healthy relationship. Until next time, y'all,
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I hope this was... All
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right, so don't forget, catch me every single Wednesday, 12 p.m.
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And that's the acronym for shifting the way you think. Thank