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Ep. 154 : 2026 Bowman Chrome Overview & August POTM PC · Cards & Categories

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome everybody to episode 154 of Cards and Categories.
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  Speaker 1: I am Mike Kulard from Baseball Prospectus, joined per usual
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  Speaker 1: by my very good friend Jeremy Brewer from Ras Ball.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing tonight, buddy?
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  Speaker 2: Not too bad. I was going to complain about your
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  Speaker 2: hat not being on straight. Get it sideways and we'll
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  Speaker 2: get the umpire out to get that fixed for you.
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  Speaker 2: But no, doing well. Excited to be here. We've got
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  Speaker 2: a fun podcast tonight. Talk a lot of baseball cards.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked a lot of free agency news recently, not
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  Speaker 2: free agency, but just news in general, trade news, injury news.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm excited for a baseball card podcast tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. That is what we're going to be focusing
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  Speaker 1: on this week. As you probably noticed, it was a long,
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  Speaker 1: long name of this podcast wherever you were downloading it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a double feature, double barreled action. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: do the release of 2026 Bowman Chrome. And we're also
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  Speaker 1: going to do the wrap-up of the August Player of
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  Speaker 1: the Month PC picks. So both kind of hit in
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  Speaker 1: the same week. We are speaking on September 9th on
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  Speaker 1: Bowman Chrome release date. So we will actually have some
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  Speaker 1: more information in terms of cards that have come out,
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  Speaker 1: seeing them on eBay that it's not like when we're
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  Speaker 1: flying blind a week before, but if you're out there
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  Speaker 1: ripping some good luck to you should be fun. And
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  Speaker 1: hopefully our overview view didn't come to you too late,
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  Speaker 1: but like you said, we're not really going to do
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  Speaker 1: much of a news and notes section because unless you
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  Speaker 1: were Doug Eddings, you probably didn't really, there wasn't really
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  Speaker 1: anything that happened that was too significant. You know, overall
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  Speaker 1: there's been a handful of injuries, but I think you're
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  Speaker 1: also getting to the point at this point, stage in
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  Speaker 1: the game from the fantasy side, second week of September,
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  Speaker 1: anybody with any injury in a redraft league is cuttable
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  Speaker 1: at this point that, you know, especially if they're hitting
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  Speaker 1: the IL the way jazz Chisholm did this afternoon, that
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  Speaker 1: if he's out two weeks, uh, you're looking at maybe
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  Speaker 1: a week left. And even if it's, uh, with them
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  Speaker 1: coming back and almost kind of rehabbing through games, the
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  Speaker 1: way Aaron judges right now, it might not be the
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  Speaker 1: best production anyway. So, uh, yeah, focus on Stack in
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  Speaker 1: as many Athletics and Rockies, I think, as you can
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  Speaker 1: is the way that you're going to want to approach
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  Speaker 1: the last month and then let it ride from there.
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  Speaker 1: So speaking of Athletics, though, that is one of our,
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  Speaker 1: the one piece of news I want to cover because
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  Speaker 1: I think this is significant enough. We should touch on
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  Speaker 1: it before we get into our Bowman Chrome overview because
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  Speaker 1: Leo Dallas DeVries is going down with a shoulder injury,
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  Speaker 1: going to undergo the knife on his right labrum for...
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  Speaker 1: a general surgery on that shoulder and it is going
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  Speaker 1: to keep him out. It says eight months right now
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  Speaker 1: for the timeline, but this can also, it can really vary.
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  Speaker 1: I think that eight months is usually the rough estimate,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, it could turn into 10 or 12 months.
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  Speaker 1: If things don't go right in terms of the recovery,
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  Speaker 1: it is going to wrap up the season, obviously for
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  Speaker 1: Leo Dallas DeVries there. I guess I should call him
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  Speaker 1: Leo DeVries. That is really what he goes by now,
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  Speaker 1: but he hit eight. 290, 378, 458 with a 116
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  Speaker 1: WRC plus and AA 100 or with just 93 games,
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  Speaker 1: 428 plate appearances with 13 homers and 34 stolen bases.
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  Speaker 1: A nice little 21% K rate with an 11% walk rate.
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  Speaker 1: We're showing lots of great skills as a switch hitter. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: that is a little bit more of a muted WRC
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  Speaker 1: plus for that stat line than you'd expect. But given
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  Speaker 1: the minor league environment this year, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: mental gymnastics you have to do with some of the
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  Speaker 1: batting lines anyway because of the ball that has been
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  Speaker 1: below AAA all season that all of the numbers from AA,
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  Speaker 1: single A, high A, rookie ball are skewed pretty horribly
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  Speaker 1: for batters. So something to keep in mind also when
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  Speaker 1: you're evaluating pitchers in the offseason. But the big key
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  Speaker 1: here was DeVries was 19 the entire time at AA,
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  Speaker 1: which is not something you see very often. He's risen
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  Speaker 1: very rapidly through the minor leagues and But this will
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  Speaker 1: put a pause on it because it is going to
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  Speaker 1: be really difficult, I think, for DeVries to make a
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  Speaker 1: debut next year. Look at just Sebastian Walcott, for example,
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  Speaker 1: who got to AA last year, underwent the Tommy John
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  Speaker 1: surgery and has kind of followed a similar path, is
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  Speaker 1: just now getting close to being able to be called
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  Speaker 1: up to the bigs in terms of timeline for performance
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  Speaker 1: and recovery from that injury. So with DeVries, this is
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  Speaker 1: a pretty significant injury. I think it's more significant than
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  Speaker 1: Walcott's Tommy John injury because you're talking about a shoulder
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  Speaker 1: labrum and especially your throwing arm for a guy who
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  Speaker 1: he was already probably going to move off his shortstop.
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  Speaker 1: But I think this probably secures that he's moving off
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  Speaker 1: a shortstop. So what is your take on DeVries going forward?
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  Speaker 1: How much does a shoulder injury and subsequent surgery like
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  Speaker 1: this scare you in terms of long-term projection?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think... From a pure hitter perspective, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: concern me too terribly much because it is more of
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  Speaker 2: a throwing issue with the labrum. So to your point,
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  Speaker 2: if he doesn't stick at short, he moves over to
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  Speaker 2: second base or something like that, then I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that's going to have as big of an impact. Probably
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  Speaker 2: what this does change is I think he was a
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  Speaker 2: legitimate option in spring training next year. He was probably
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  Speaker 2: one of the top few prospects in the league. And
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  Speaker 2: with the athletics, they have a strong lineup going into
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  Speaker 2: next year. They're all hurt right now. And so that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make it seem that way. But I think what
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  Speaker 2: this does is it tells the athletics, hey, let's pump
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  Speaker 2: the brakes. Let's get this guy healthy because you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be messing with this. And they want to
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  Speaker 2: figure out what kind of team they truly have next year.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going to let Kurtz and Langeleers and Wilson
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  Speaker 2: and Rooker and Soderstrom, the whole group, get healthy and
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  Speaker 2: start to play and kind of see where everybody falls.
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  Speaker 2: And then I think DeVries, I expect him back, but
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  Speaker 2: I expect him like DH-ing. He's going to be coming
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  Speaker 2: in and DH-ing in spring and for the first few
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  Speaker 2: months of the season as he builds that arm back up.
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  Speaker 2: And then they're going to get him into game action.
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  Speaker 2: And so I do see potential for him to be
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  Speaker 2: making his major league debut, I'd say early summer next year. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's probably the best case scenario, but it is going
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  Speaker 2: to be an injury that is pretty significant. It takes
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  Speaker 2: some time to recover from, from a throwing perspective. So
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  Speaker 2: like I said, I'm fine with his long-term hitter outlook.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it really changes much. He's still one
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  Speaker 2: of the best out there, but I think it pushes
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  Speaker 2: that timeline out. Uh, whereas I think it was legitimate, uh,
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  Speaker 2: opening day discussion next year, whereas now give me a
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  Speaker 2: June 1st type of discussion. And he might not be
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  Speaker 2: fully in the field at that point. He might be
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  Speaker 2: kind of playing the DH, uh, trying to work back
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  Speaker 2: for it to full strength.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's very fair that I think the
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  Speaker 1: biggest impact probably is in 2027 that unfortunately you just
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  Speaker 1: got to. I don't even know if in a dynasty
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  Speaker 1: keeper situation, I'm relying on DeVries much for next year,
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  Speaker 1: because like you said, I think he could be back.
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  Speaker 1: But there's also going to be a lot of caution
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  Speaker 1: after the surgery that there's going to be a lot
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  Speaker 1: of reason for the A's to keep Leo Dulles DeVries
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  Speaker 1: at AAA. I mean, he's probably going to maybe even
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  Speaker 1: see a little bit of AA again next year just
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  Speaker 1: to get his feet wet. But I think there's enough
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  Speaker 1: question marks where certainly I think in a dynasty keeper situation,
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  Speaker 1: if you were on a trajectory where 2027 was a
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  Speaker 1: year you're going to start going in, which maybe also
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  Speaker 1: would have been a little questionable given some of the
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  Speaker 1: offseason things we're going to go through with this CBA.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm still pretty hopeful we're not going to really
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  Speaker 1: miss any time. So with that, like maybe if you
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  Speaker 1: have DeVries in a situation where he was going to
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  Speaker 1: be a middle infield, piece for you going into 2027
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  Speaker 1: you might have to rework that and maybe see if
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  Speaker 1: you can move DeVries to be able to match up
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  Speaker 1: with your timeline a little bit better but I think
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  Speaker 1: in the long term honestly it's it's going to help
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  Speaker 1: that he did this at the end of this year
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  Speaker 1: anything that happens I think for DeVries next year if
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  Speaker 1: it's a poor performance it's almost oh he gets a
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  Speaker 1: mulligan from me because like coming back from a surgery
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  Speaker 1: like this I would totally understand if if the power
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  Speaker 1: doesn't fully pop back, if the strikeouts climb, if the
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  Speaker 1: plate discipline kind of degrades a little bit as he's
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  Speaker 1: struggling through all of that. So if anything, DeVries does
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  Speaker 1: get that mulligan because I will write off anything that
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  Speaker 1: happens negatively as the shoulder injury. But yeah, if he
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  Speaker 1: does come back and look healthy, he is 19, so
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  Speaker 1: he should be spry and the body should be able
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  Speaker 1: to recover much more quickly. And I think the other
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  Speaker 1: nice thing you like to see here is this is
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  Speaker 1: not a chronic issue that we've been aware of so far.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's not like Aiden Miller's back that scares
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  Speaker 1: just the ever living crap out of me. This is
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  Speaker 1: like a, Hey, he injured his shoulder. He banged it up.
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  Speaker 1: He's getting it cleaned up. They're doing this right during
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  Speaker 1: the off season, letting him rest and rehab while he's
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  Speaker 1: got the time. So I think unless something starts going awry,
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  Speaker 1: that's when you start kind of questioning the long-term trajectory
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  Speaker 1: here for DeVries.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with, you know, I know we've joked on
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  Speaker 2: this podcast about my playing days. This is actually an
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  Speaker 2: injury I had. I had this surgery myself.
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  Speaker 1: This is this.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And so I actually had this. I did this
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  Speaker 2: plus rotator cuff the same time for fun. But it
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  Speaker 2: was like a nine month recovery. It was a longer recovery.
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  Speaker 2: That's but that's where I said, like, you're hitting can
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  Speaker 2: come back. It's just the building of the arm strength,
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  Speaker 2: which is the issue with this one. But it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: tend to be the same reoccurring type of thing that
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  Speaker 2: you would see with an elbow or something like that,
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  Speaker 2: or other type of shoulder injuries like the rotator cuff.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Labrum was a little bit more manageable. Of the bad
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  Speaker 2: things to have, it's one of the better ones.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, honestly, he was going to have
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  Speaker 1: to slot in at second base for the A's in
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  Speaker 1: 27 anyway, because I think Jacob Wilson has shortstop locked
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  Speaker 1: down and Gelof has probably got third base locked down
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  Speaker 1: for the long term as well. So, yeah, just might
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  Speaker 1: make that a little bit different for the trajectory if
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  Speaker 1: you were counting on DeVries as a shortstop and not
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  Speaker 1: a second base option. So something to keep in mind. OK, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's the one piece of news we have. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: into 2026 Bowman Chrome. which, I mean, I guess this
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  Speaker 1: is technically a little bit of news as well as
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  Speaker 1: we're speaking on release date, September 9th right now. If
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  Speaker 1: you are looking at the show details, go into those
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  Speaker 1: show notes, click on the related link that will go
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  Speaker 1: to the Raswell post. You're about to see the most
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  Speaker 1: absurd looking cards and categories Raswell post that has ever
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  Speaker 1: gone up because it's not only going to have all
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  Speaker 1: the Bowman Chrome preview photos, but it's also going to
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  Speaker 1: have our player of the month PC picks from August.
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  Speaker 1: So it's going to be cards on cards when you
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  Speaker 1: get to that set of show notes and the related
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  Speaker 1: post on Razzball. So check that out. It'll help you
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  Speaker 1: along as we're talking about these cards, just to get
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  Speaker 1: a sense of what they look like in addition to
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  Speaker 1: how we describe them. So yeah, we're talking about one
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  Speaker 1: of the major releases, I think, on the baseball card calendar.
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  Speaker 1: Really what Bowman Chrome is especially known for nowadays is
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  Speaker 1: that This is where we get all of the January
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  Speaker 1: signing period guys that were big names and came across
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  Speaker 1: for multi-million dollars and have been playing in the DSL
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  Speaker 1: all summer. On top of it, though, it also makes
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  Speaker 1: it a little bit more of a difficult chase product
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  Speaker 1: because I think you can always find the good prospects
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  Speaker 1: to approach that are coming from those lists. But a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these guys, you know, they're 17, 18 years old.
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  Speaker 1: They're maybe five to eight years away from making the majors.
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  Speaker 1: And because of that, there's also like pop-up guys constantly.
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  Speaker 1: So that's something to kind of keep in mind. And
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  Speaker 1: I think what people do with Bowman Chrome is they
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  Speaker 1: will stash away a lot of the prospects that are
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  Speaker 1: not selling for big dollars initially because if they can
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  Speaker 1: mature and work their way through minor league systems, who
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  Speaker 1: knows what they might uncover in the future. The other
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  Speaker 1: factor too is it's all Chrome cards. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: like Bowman release in the spring where you also have
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  Speaker 1: the paper products of these. firsts to be able to collect,
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  Speaker 1: you are only going to have the Chrome option when
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about some of these Bowman firsts. And then
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  Speaker 1: the other factor is that Bowman draft will end up
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  Speaker 1: having everybody that was from the draft that recently happened
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  Speaker 1: in all those collegiate ranks. So those names are also
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  Speaker 1: more well known, I think, compared to what you're looking
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  Speaker 1: at in terms of the prospect crew that is in
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  Speaker 1: Bowman Chrome, because yeah, they're very young. They all just
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  Speaker 1: got signed. They haven't had familiarity with the American audience
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  Speaker 1: in terms of exposure of college baseball, which I think
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  Speaker 1: has only grown more and more since especially the COVID days.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got all those parameters. It all makes Bowman
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  Speaker 1: Chrome much more high risk, but low floor product. I
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  Speaker 1: think overall, when you're looking at stuff, you will obviously
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  Speaker 1: get the introduction of rookie cards to in the Chrome formats,
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  Speaker 1: a loaded rookie class, as we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: here in this set. But I think because of all that,
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  Speaker 1: you get people who love Bowman Chrome and people who
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  Speaker 1: maybe shy away from Bowman Chrome because of some of
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  Speaker 1: those factors. So, Brew, what's your stance on Bowman Chrome
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  Speaker 1: and what kind of stands out to you for this
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  Speaker 1: product release every year?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is a very tricky product, I think,
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  Speaker 2: is the way to look at it. Because of how
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  Speaker 2: they handle a lot of the rookies from the season, it's...
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  Speaker 2: you get a really loaded rookie class almost every moment Chrome,
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  Speaker 2: just because all the big names from the season, they're
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  Speaker 2: able to kind of get them into that, that product.
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  Speaker 2: And so you'll see that, um, on the flip side,
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  Speaker 2: you see this really interesting price inflation with the high
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  Speaker 2: international signings where you just don't have enough information, but
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  Speaker 2: because the price of the product is, is pretty significant.
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  Speaker 2: You see this really heightened price, uh, out the gate
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  Speaker 2: for the best of the best, um, from a, Bowman First,
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  Speaker 2: Bowman First Auto perspective, those guys are going to be very,
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  Speaker 2: very expensive. And so it is kind of a feast
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  Speaker 2: or famine product. And so I like it from the
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  Speaker 2: fact that you can get there. I love having all
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  Speaker 2: the chrome. I love getting the chrome rookies. But to
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  Speaker 2: your point, it is very much more like that lottery.
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  Speaker 2: And you don't really know what you have. You could
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  Speaker 2: have one of the worst autos today, and it could
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  Speaker 2: be one of the best autos in a few years.
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  Speaker 2: You just don't know. And so I think it's a
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  Speaker 2: very difficult product. It's still fun to rip. It's still
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  Speaker 2: a Bowman. But when I look at all of the
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  Speaker 2: Bowman products out there, this is probably the least intriguing
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  Speaker 2: one for me because you don't have the guys that
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  Speaker 2: are close enough to the majors that you can invest
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  Speaker 2: in them. You can see a path forward, especially those
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  Speaker 2: college-ranked type of guys. You don't have that that you
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  Speaker 2: can rely on. You're looking at 18- and 19-year-olds. at
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  Speaker 2: best for a number of these, sometimes even younger, as
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  Speaker 2: far as the biggest of the biggest chases. And because
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  Speaker 2: of that, a lot of folks don't know who all
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  Speaker 2: these players are. And that, again, will kind of compress
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  Speaker 2: some of the prices because folks want to get their
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  Speaker 2: return out of the product immediately. So it's an interesting
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  Speaker 2: dynamic to play through. Again, I always love Bowman, so
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to say that. But like I said, of
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  Speaker 2: all the Bowman products, I kind of rank this one
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  Speaker 2: last as far as the one that I really want
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  Speaker 2: to rip Um, I do like this from a, a
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  Speaker 2: like card show dollar box type search product because they
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  Speaker 2: are going to be clean products. I still do like that.
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  Speaker 2: I always loved Bowman designs. They always do a good job.
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  Speaker 2: How tops can't figure out the difference between the two.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Uh, bring it, bring some of that
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  Speaker 2: flagship please. But that's a chance where you can go
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  Speaker 2: in there because a lot of folks don't know these names.
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  Speaker 2: So if you do know some of those best prospects,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to find them. You're going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to find them. You're gonna have guys that don't realize that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the prospect that's the 10th on the list
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  Speaker 2: of the 15th on the list, that was the big
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  Speaker 2: international signing for your team, that they're just going to
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  Speaker 2: be kind of spread around because people don't know what
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  Speaker 2: it is. So there's opportunity everywhere with the product, but I'm,
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  Speaker 2: as you can tell, I'm a little less excited about
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  Speaker 2: this one as I am what I would say draft.
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  Speaker 2: And we talked about that here in a few months.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, the other factor too, is it's just,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty limited to get your hands on. You know,
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  Speaker 1: regular Bowman that comes out in the spring is ubiquitous.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: It's everywhere. It's in all retail environments. It's in all
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: hobby shots. Bowman Draft, also hard to get your hands
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: on because it's usually has traditionally been hobby only. Bowman
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Crumb's kind of in between, but still pretty difficult to
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: get your hands on because one, there's only three formats
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: to get it in that at least has been published
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: out there. Sometimes there are like different types of fat
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: packs and stuff that appear, but I don't think you're
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: going to be seeing that with Bowman Chrome. Uh, you
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: only can get the breakers delight, which is only going
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: to breakers at this point, unless you really have a connection,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: a hobby box, which was originally sold on pre-order at
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: 300 bucks on release date. It was like three 30,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I believe on tops.com. All of the secondary sites are
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: now you're, I don't think you can get one for
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: less than four 50 today. So, It'll probably come back
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: down around 400, but I think it's going to stay
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: relatively high, especially given the level of the rookie class
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: here in 2026 Bowman Chrome, as well as honestly, this
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: first list is pretty loaded compared to, I think what
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: we've seen over the past couple of years, that there's
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of really intriguing signings that I think that
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: happened in January, where maybe they're not quite as well
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: known as an Ethan Salas or Leo DeVries or some
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: others that have come across, but I like a lot
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: of the talent that has been coming through the DSL
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: this summer. So we'll highlight some of that. But you're
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: going to be looking at also mega boxes, too. That
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: was the third format. So that's going to be the
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: only one of retail environments. You're going to need to
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: work through some really big back channel to be able
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to get one of those breakers to light boxes. Your
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: hobby shops will have those hobbies in place. in stock,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: but I don't even think a hobby shop is going
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: to be selling one of those boxes for less than
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: probably 450 bucks right now because of the demand here.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. If you are going out
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: there to rip, I think from a break perspective, it's
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: also a tough break product because of just like the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: ups and downs and ebbs and flows, as well as
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: like for the most part on your Bowman first checklist,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you are only getting good, the January signing guys that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: have been in the DSL. And so you'll see in
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the prospect list of the checklist where, hey, there's some
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: big names in there, but they're not Bowman first. So
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: people are a lot less interested in them. And then
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I think especially nowadays with people getting the RC stamp
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: on their rookie cards, there's no debate about some of
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: these like, oh, this unmarked bowman card is the true
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: rookie card or whatever that we used to have i
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: think more so in the 90s and early 2000s before
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: they start getting into those rc cards so i don't
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: think you can even like play that game for some
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: of these prospect cards so you do have 100 card
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: base set you have 100 card prospect uh set list
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: uh it will go from beyond it starts above 100
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: so if you're looking and you're like, wait a second,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: he said there's only a hundred prospect cards, but I'm
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: ripping some of this Bowman Chrome. I'm looking at 180 something.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: It's because it's a continuation from Bowman in the spring.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So they keep the prospect list running there. Let's focus
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: on the base set first. Because the rookie list, as
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: we've alluded to, it's loaded. You're crunching together all the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: rookies that in flagship have been in Series 1, Series 2,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and will be in Series 1 and Update as well.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: They're all here in Bowman Chrome. Honestly, some of them too,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: like they're not even all in Topps Chrome. So some
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: of these guys are coming through in Topps Chrome Update.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And you're jamming them all into the 100-card list for
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Bowman Chrome. You're looking at Connor Griffin, Kevin McGonigal, Trav Bazzana,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Chase DeLauder, Cam Schlittler, Sal Stewart, J.J. Weatherholt, Jacob Misierowski,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Munataka Murakami, Bryce Eldridge, Jack Caglione, Nolan McLean, Carson Benj,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Trey Savage. They're all in this product. So if you
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: had to really like hone in on any of those
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to collect and maybe carve out as one that you
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: will pay the premium for in a break, Any of
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: those rookies stand out to you, or is there maybe
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: even another one I didn't list? Because it's a chock-full checklist.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I had to make some cuts somewhere.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the guys that I'm looking at are
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the guys that didn't get rookie cards yet in flagship.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I think that's the kind of the target here. So
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: your Weatherholds, your McGonagalls. I'm trying to think there was
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: somebody else that didn't have one.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Is it Griffin?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Griffin didn't get one yet.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Brecht.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And so I think those are the guys that I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: would be really interested in. Mizorowski is just hot as
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: can be right now. So I think that's just a gimme.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: That makes sense to go after. And there's a few
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: of them like Caglio and McLean, guys like that. It
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: feels like they should have had a rookie card already
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: because they were just coming up right at the point
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: last year where they couldn't make this product. So it
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: feels like they're on the back of it. But for me,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I think the market's going to be really hot in Griffin, Weatherholt,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: McGonigal because they didn't get that flagship rookie yet. And
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: this is going to be kind of their first rookie
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: that's actually available at multiple parallels and accessible to the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: broad market versus what they're actually going to get an update.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So that's probably where I'm going to focus. But at
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, like that's a loaded checklist.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And I think that's, what's interesting about this one is
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's usually not the rookie checklist that carries
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the product. for Bowman Chrome. It's usually the first, um,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and to your point, like, I think we have some
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: pretty good firsts this year. It's maybe not as high
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: top of the high end, but there's a, uh, like
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: that next year is pretty, pretty broad, but I think
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it gets carried actually by the rookie class this year,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: which is different from this product in the past. So, um, I,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I did look further in the checklist, but I'm sure
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: you missed like 10 names that were also there, there,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: there as well. And that's just knowing that there's really, um,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: only the a hundred card base set, like, almost every
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: name in this checklist is exciting. Worth it. You get
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: a pair of them. You're not getting like your middle
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: reliever parallels, things like that. It's, it's going to be
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: a strong checklist. No, almost no matter what you, you
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: pull within this.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, the other factor too, is that like,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: so Connor Griffin and McGonigal and Weatherholt were in tops
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Chrome this summer, but the factor that might, layer in
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and make these bowman chrome rookies even more desirable is
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: well i mean i'm sure i'm not the only one
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that thinks that the 2026 tops flagship design kind of
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: blows so like yeah there's that as well as like
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the connor griffin card is kind of boring and photoshoppy
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and like i'm much more intrigued by the design of
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the bowman chrome card here which i guess we should
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: also state it's in the classic motif of bowman i
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: don't it's if you're into cards like it is Bowman.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Like there's nothing kind of, I think there's no bells
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and whistles, which is almost kind of good. You want
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: something that's pretty classic and framed up with like a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: modern sci-fi ish feel around it, where they didn't go
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: crazy trying to redesign it or reconfigure it. But that
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: has been what they used obviously in the spring too.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I much prefer the Connor Griffin Bowman Chrome
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: rookie card to the tops current right now. So like,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: that's going to be a factor and it might kind
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of happen with some of these other guys as well,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: just because like I said, 2026 tops design is a
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: little bit lacking as well as like the quality on tops.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Chrome that came out over the summer was also a
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: little bit, you know, like I, they really focused on
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: getting the parallels out and stuff where with Bowman, I
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: feel like they do a better job of making sure
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that the quality is there when printing the One, it's
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a lower print run than Topps Chrome, obviously, but two,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: this is an expensive product, and you've got to make
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: people feel that they're getting some value out of it
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: for what they're spending when the floor can be so
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: low on some of these guys that you're taking gambles
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: on for the Bowman first.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the other thing I'll call out as well on
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: those rookies, just be careful because Bowman that had Chrome
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and Bowman Chrome are going to be very hard to...
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: differentiated times because i'm just looking at the connor griffin
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: cards um his pose in the two of those products
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: is almost identical um and the outline is pretty gosh
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: darn similar uh between the the the products and so
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: one he's in the the bowman earlier release with uh
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: that had chrome cards he's got kind of a leg
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: kick and he's he's swinging um and he's got a
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: looks like a little shin guard going on here and
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the one that just came out with bowman chrome is
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: almost the exact same batting stance, but he doesn't have
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: the shin guard. But it's almost indistinguishable between the two,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: except for the rookie card stamps on one. So it's
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: actually kind of this really confusing, whereas rookie card from
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Bowman Chrome came out after he had a Bowman Chrome
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: card with him on it. So just be careful as
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: you're looking at some of these because it will get confusing.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And there's not a way to differentiate it as far
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: as what you call these things because Bowman Chrome is
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: correct in both terms. So just be just be careful
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So let's get into some of those first.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: So from the Bowman first, these are obviously going to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: be super desirable, especially there are there's a certain layer
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: of collectors out there that honestly probably prefer Bowman first
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to rookie cards overall, because it's like the first time
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that you're getting these guys on cards with their logos
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and a licensed product and everything like that. So I've
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: kind of tiered these out based on like the way
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I view these, especially from like a fantasy perspective. So
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: in the first tier, I would say and I will
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: leave these in the show notes, too, just because like
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I think some of these will be butchered, as I say,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: because I'm about to really disappoint my my Spanish teachers
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: from junior high that taught me how to pronounce correctly
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: because it didn't all stick. We've got in the first tier,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Luis Hernandez from the San Francisco Giants, Anje Bel Gomez
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: from the Kansas City Royals, Francisco Renteria from the Philadelphia Phillies,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Wandi Asahen from the New York Mets, and Yonasee Colomay
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: from the Athletics. In the next tier down are the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: guys that I would consider like some of these are
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: bigger signings. They sign for multimillion dollars. but maybe haven't
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: quite had the prospect shine where those guys, I just
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: rattled off there. Like those dudes are, I think all
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: future studs based on what's been coming across. And we've
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: talked about on Hebel Gomez and Luis Hernandez over, over
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the summer too, that like, I think those dudes look
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: like superstars tier two, you got some bigger signings, some
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: bigger names from when they actually put ink to paper,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: but also like, I would say the next kind of
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: tier down and some prospects too. So you've got on
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: hell Nunez from the Cincinnati Reds on hell de los
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Santos from the tigers, Sebastian dos Santos from the Cardinals,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Samuel Serrano from the nationals, Yoni, Yoni L Hernandez, which
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: his cards are on the Padres, but he was traded
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: in the Robbie Ray deal. So he's on the giants now,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and it's coming up with Lisa Hernandez and, um, Joshua Gonzalez, who,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Gonzalez was in last year's product, so he's not in
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: this one. Then we also have, this is what we
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: were talking about a little bit. Bowman Chrome was also
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a cleanup time for when the guys that came through
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: in previous drafts, they didn't get into a draft product.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: They didn't get to a Bowman product. Maybe they didn't
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: sign a deal with Tops and Fanatics for being licensed
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to being in the product. Because I think that's the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: case for the first one. This is actually the first
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: time we're getting Durangelo Cintia Bowman first cards. And they're
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: actually only autos. There's no base cards of Gerangelo going forward.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: So this is, we talked about this a little bit
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: when we were going through guys to stash for the
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: playoffs a couple of weeks ago, you get variation sometimes,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: or sometimes they only have a base card with no auto.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they have an auto with no base card. Gerangelo
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: going forward, we'll have an auto, but no Bowman first
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: base card. You've also got Christian Zazueta from the Dodgers
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: is got a Bowman first in here. Owen Ayers from
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the Cubs is his Bowman first. Avery Owusu-Acedu, I think
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: is how you say it. He's in the Diamondbacks system.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: You should go check out Statline. He's been just rocking
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: double a all season um i'm just gonna call him
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: avery so i don't have to go through that mouthful
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: again for right now and i don't want to keep
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: mispronouncing it but he's been shooting through that d-back system
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: uh also went to siue which is kind of random
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: but huge six foot four frame It's been a big
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: breakout there. Brendan Clark is also in this product who
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: has traded in the offseason to the Cardinals. So I
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: just rattled off a ton of names. I threw a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: lot of information at you there. How are you feeling
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: about my tiering system? Anybody you might want to shuffle
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: around between the first and second tiers or any other
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: prospects from the checklist that you want to call out
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and highlight that maybe I didn't give enough shine to?
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you did a good job
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: of getting the right guys out there. I think that there's...
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: You have the Tier 1, Tier 2, which I'm generally
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: going to agree with. And I was... As we were
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: rattling them off, I was actually... doing a quick look
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: on eBay just now to see the card prices, like
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: where are these landing? And it was pretty clear, but
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: tier one, the base Chrome autos is about two 50
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: for that tier tier two. It's on the one 25
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to one 50 range for almost all of those guys.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: There's a few outliers, but where it gets really interesting
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: is the, the forgottens. I think you call it in
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: our show notes, finally getting their card. And that group
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: is all over the place. So Durant, Tarangelo, I didn't
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: even take Spanish, so I have no chance here. But
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: he only has, looks like right now, high-end buybacks. There's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: not any bases out there, so that's hard to do.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: A number of the tier... So his prices are up
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: like $ 500, $ 600. Like Avery, I'm not going to try it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: His cars are selling for $ 30. It's a little bit
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: all over the place there. And again, first auto prices...
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: But what's really interesting, if you look at the first
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: tier there, your Luis Hernandez's, Angel Belt Gomez, Renteria, those guys,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: a number of them have redemptions and cards that were signed.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: And so it's really interesting. It's almost like they only
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: got like half the product out to them. So there's
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: some of the parallels, but not all of the parallels
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: out there. So you're seeing both of those pop up
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: on eBay, which is really interesting to see. And I
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: don't know what to... equate that to. It's almost like
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: they got sent two boxes and only sent one back
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: type of thing. But there's multiple of them from that.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: So keep an eye out for that. I think that
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: will actually drive their prices up a little bit because
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: if you can get a certain set of those cards
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: like sent, bought, and in your hands versus you have
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: redemptions that you have to go chase, I think that's
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit not what people want of this product
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: right out the gate because you could be sitting on
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: that thing for months. And I'd be a little more
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: concerned with it knowing something clearly went awry for those
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: redemptions to be put in there. So I like your tiers.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I think you got it pretty well aligned there. Just
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: be aware that the prices are going to vary significantly
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: on these guys out the gate. And that first tier
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: is probably where I'd steer away from. I think that
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: second tier, if you're really looking to play the long game,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I think is where you have to play because the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: values already baked into that tier one. People think they're
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the best guys in the product. those prices are going
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: to have a hard time going up from here unless
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: they just continue to blow away the league like a
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Leo DeVries or somebody like that. And I don't know
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: that any of these guys are at that level. I
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: think the number of the guys are like future major
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: league solid performers, if not all-stars. But they're a long
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: ways away, and there's a lot of variation here. I
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: don't think putting $ 250, $ 300 down on that kind of
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: auto is probably the right call at this time.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if they're Gomez is maybe the one
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that I would push back there, just because I do
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: think on about Gomez when we're talking this time next
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: year is probably like a global top 15 prospect. Like,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I think the dude's pretty special. I think he's really something.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Hernandez is certainly up there for me, too. And Renteria
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: has also been up there. But you also are dealing
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: with on Hernandez and Renteria Giants and Phillies. markets for
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: collecting are pretty strong. So those team collectors would be
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: chasing them. Anabel Gomez has the Royals behind him, but, um,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: everybody's all over Anabel Gomez, but the numbers have popped
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: while he's been playing all summer. And I'm not the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: only one that's throwing around really intense valuations on him
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: going into 2027 in terms of like I said, laying
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: out there that I think he's a top 15 guy,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: probably mid mid season update list, especially when he starts
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: getting more at bat stateside. So yeah, it's certainly, it's
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: not an easy market to play in, but certainly like
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the thing you have to weigh is if you're trying
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: to collect a player like Hernandez Gomez or Renteria, and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: this is the, your guy is, do you pull the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: trigger now while things are available and you can actually
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: get it into your PC or, knowing that the actual
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: kind of gain might not be there long term? Or
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: do you wait a little bit, but then things might
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: get hoovered up and the supply might not be there?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: So I don't think I'm buying within the first two
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: weeks of the product. But like after two weeks, you
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: got to kind of sit there and make that decision
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: pretty quickly, because otherwise these things can get hoovered up
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: pretty quickly. And we were just chatting before we got
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: on our recording that like the The machinations at PSA
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: are bogged down right now with the volume of cards
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that what's going to happen here is what happens in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the supply and demand, I think, is that, you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: in the first couple of weeks, people are ripping, they're
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: buying the new stuff. And then the folks that are
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: sending stuff to PSA, it starts going out and the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: supply shrinks really fast and then expands again when people
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: start getting stuff back from PSA. So before you hit
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: that shrinkage window, you've got to think about what you're
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: going to do for your PC.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Bowman Chrome is, I think we all
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: know that the sweet spot for buying baseball cards is
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: like November, December, January. And this product, because of the
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: arc of time, works really well for that. Because I
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: was looking at what sold for Annabelle Gomez here. His
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: out of $ 499 refractor auto sold for $ 450 this afternoon.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: It's going to be pricey, but I expect that's going
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to come down it's going to be off season. We're
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: not going to be hearing about a DSL guy, things
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: like that. But then if he goes on that trajectory
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: that we think he, he could, I mean, you were
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: talking about it. I own him in multiple leagues. Like,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I think that it could happen that it may never
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: be cheaper. So it's a, yeah, it's one of those,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: like I don't, from an investment perspective, a flipping perspective,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: probably not what you want to do. If it's your guy,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: that's probably when you're going to want to make the play. Yeah.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Yep. I think that's all very fair. So let's talk
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: about the checklist itself. So, We've got a ton of parallels,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: as you could expect. So not only do we have...
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I counted it, and I think I counted it correctly,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: but somebody out there could check my work if you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: really want to. I think it's 51 prospect parallels, and
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: that is not counting the plates. And so for the...
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Bowman first, you're going to be looking at 51 parallels
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: if you want to put together a rainbow. That 51
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: does not include some of the other variations that are
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: in this product, which include the WBC flag, which is
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the background of the player's home country in line with
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the WBC. That is a throwback to early 2000 Bowman
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: started that and actually maybe even late 90s Bowman started that,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: where they would do that as a parallel. So it's
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: cool to see, especially with the WBC application. You've also
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: got the rookie image variations, which I should say in
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: terms of the base parallels, you're looking at much fewer,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: only 25. So that's not including the plates, but 25
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: base parallels as well. But you also have rookie image variations.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: You'll have retrofractors, which they're back. They were not in
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Bowman in the spring, if you recall, at least that
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: we couldn't find but you've got Rogers Hornsby and Jim Palmer,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: which I'm feeling better about these retro fractures that like,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised that they had skipped Rogers Hornsby for so long.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And same thing with Jim Palmer, like Jim Palmer is
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a huge name, especially it feels like in the hobby,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: just given the age range of a lot of collectors
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: out there think that, you know, Jim Palmer really was
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: better than he was because of like his height notoriety
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: during the seventies. But what do you think about those
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: retro fractures for Hornsby and Palmer?
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they're good. I've always, I mean, I'm
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: a Cardinals fan at heart. So the Hornsby is an
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: easy one for me. But Palmer has always been a
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: great hobby guy as well. Always was a fun pitcher.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: You know, had a fantastic career. So I like them.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: You're never going to be able to get back to
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: the point of like the best of the best because
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: there's only so many guys that can be there. But
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I think these two do kind of span different types
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: of collectors, different types of eras that I think they
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: will play very, very well. Because of that, again, it's
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: not the Babe Ruths. It's not the Ty Cobbs. It's
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: not those kind of guys, which is fine. There's nothing
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: wrong with a guy that can hit 400. So we'll
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: take Hornsby and be very, very happy about it. Those
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: are going to be big, big targets for folks in
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: this product.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it also makes the Cardinals, even though they don't
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: have a standout name in the first checklist, one of
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the low-key kind of maybe values of the Cardinals breaks
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: out there because you get shots at Hornsby and then
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I really like Sebastian Dos Santos, but you also get
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Gerangelo and Brandon Clark shots. So nice little shot out
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: there for the Cardinals breakers. And you've also got for variations,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: you've got the international variations, which is going to be
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: on the prospect checklist. What this is, is the background
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: instead of like the flag motif that we're talking about
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: for the WBC, it's actually a background of like their
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: hometown or home country. So that's built into those cards.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I think those would be very popular. The pack factors,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: which we had in Bowman in the spring, which we
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: really liked the design and these look sharp as well.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I think they were very popular. They're numbered to 89
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: a piece, but that's also going to be a separate
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: variation as well. So, Those variations are not included in
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: this giant checklist of colors that you're going to run through.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I'm giving you the prospects. I'm taking the base parallels
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: for myself so that I can continue hosting the pod,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: hit the people with what they want, give them all
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: 51 of those variations, Brew.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Well, we're going to do it. Unfortunately, Beckett has decided
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to crash on me. So we're not going to be
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: able to do it as well as I'd like to,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: which is going by every single number, but we're going
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: to do it by your, I'll call it your box,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: your different kinds here. So you, We'll break up the
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Breaker Delights and the Hobby Exclusives separately. So we'll just
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: go through kind of your base parallels that we'll do
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: by the products there. So for your Bowman Chrome Prospects
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: parallel list, you have available in all products, your refractors
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: out of $ 499, your speckle refractors. I can't even say it.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Two in and we're done. Speckle Refractors out of $ 2. 99,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Purple Refractors out of $ 2. 50, Blue Refractors out of $ 1. 50,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you got your Reptilian Blue Refractors out of $ 1. 50, Aqua
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Refractors out of $ 1. 25, we have three greens, Refractor, Reptilian,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: and Wave out of $ 99. You have Yellow Refractors, Yellow
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Wave Refractors out of $ 75, you got three golds as
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: far as your Refractor, Reptilian, and Gold Wave all out
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: of $ 50. Got your Bowman Logofractor out of 35. Got
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: your Orange Refractor, Orange Wave, and Reptilian out of 25.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Got your Black Wave Refractor and Reptilian out of 10.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Got your Reds, Red Refractor, Red Reptilian, and Wave out
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: of 5. And then your Superfractor, all available across the products.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: It's kind of funny to say that with a Superfractor
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and say it's available in both products, but they just
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: don't tell you where you're going to get it. From
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: a hobby... box exclusive perspective uh we have the league
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: logo fracture the shimmer refractor and x-factor those are not
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: numbered cards uh but you have them there you have
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: your pulsar refractor out of 399 your purple pulsar out
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: of 250 purple wave out of 250 purple shimmer out
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: of 250 which gives us a good grand total of
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: four out of 250 so far we'll have another when
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: we get to the breakers delight Um, fuchsia out of
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: shimmer out refractors out of one to nine and blue
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: wave out of one 50 aqua pulsar out of one
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: 25 wave refractor out of 100. Uh, your green shimmer, uh,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: out of 99, your gold shimmer out of 50, your
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: orange shimmer out of 25 and your red shimmer out
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: of five in the breakers delight. That's where you get
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: all of your geometric refractors. So by color, you're just
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: base geometrics out of $ 4. 99. But then you have your
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: fuchsia out of $ 2. 99, purple out of $ 2. 50, blue out
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: of $ 1. 50, aqua out of $ 1. 25, green out of $ 1. 99,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: your yellow out of $ 1. 75, gold $ 1. 50, orange $ 1. 25, black $ 1. 10,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: red $ 1. 05. Just like you would have expected with everything else.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: But those are all geometric in the Breaker's Delights. Just
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: for fun, don't worry. There's also the fun little silly
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: snack packs. that you can have. So you do get
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: gumball refractors, sunflower seed refractors, penis refractors, and popcorn refractors
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: in there as well. I'm not going to call out
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: all the international WBC impact factor variations because they kind
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: of intermingle there, but those are available there as well.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: So I'm sure I missed something because it was not
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: my normal checklist here, but I think that was all
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: 51 of them.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, that was impressive. I'm surprised you made it through alive.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: How do your vocal cords feel?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to need a week off to
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: come back next week. Maybe put me on the 10
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: day and we'll see you on the next time around.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I can at least cover the bass checklist
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: parallels for you. So like I said, you've got 25
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of these and you are looking at refractors out of 499.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: You've got geometric refractors out of 499. And these will
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: follow the same suit that you went through where Most
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: of these are split up. Your geometrics are only in
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Breakers Delights. Your regular refractors there are in Hobbies and Delights.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: You've got Pulsar refractors of $ 399 only in Hobbies. Fuchsia
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: refractors of $ 299 in Hobbies and Delights. Fuchsia wave refractors
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: of $ 299 in Hobbies. Purple geometrics in $ 250s, $ 250 of those.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Aqua Ray Wave Refractor 199. Those are in Hobbies and Delights.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Blue Refractors out of 150. Blue Wave Refractors out of 150.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And Geometric Refractors out of 150. Regulars in both Hobby
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and Delight. The Wave is in Hobby and the Geometric
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: is in Delight. Aqua Geometric 125. Only in Delights. That's
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: also throwing off my cadence that the Aqua wave refractors
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: of 199, and the geometrics are 125. That's a little
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: goopy there, but interesting little twist. Wave refractors of 100
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: in hobby boxes. Green refractors of 99 in hobbies and delights.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Green wave refractors of 99 also in hobbies and delights,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: which is... I don't know if this information is all...
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Accurate from Beckett because it's like mix matching, but maybe
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: it is. That would be really funny if they just
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: kind of were like, yeah, we're just going to mix
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: it up, whatever. And Green Geometric out of 99, Delights Only.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Yellow Refractors out of 75, Hobbies and Delights. Gold Refractors
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: out of 50, Hobbies and Delights. Gold Geometric out of 50,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Delights Only. The Orange Refractors out of 25, Hobbies and Delights.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Orange Geometric, Delight Only out of 25. Black Refractor, 10
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: of those. Hobbies and Delights, Black Geometric of 10, only
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: in Delights. Red Refractors out of five, Hobbies and Delights there.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Red Geometric of five, Delights only. Super Refractors, one of
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: ones in Hobbies and Delights. And I will say that
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: this is the chance to also see how they stack
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: these products differently. The Super Refractors is one in every... 15,632
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: delight box packs, uh, which are like, I said boxes
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: at first, cause the boxes are the packs for the,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the breakers delights typically while they're only one out of 900, 600, 9,641
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: for hobbies. So there's a little bit of variation there,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: but you can especially see like how few delight boxes
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: are out there because when you're looking at like the
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: black geometrics you're looking at one in every 178 delights
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: as opposed to one in every 960 of those for
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: hobby packs so something to like as we were talking
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: about when we were talking about those breakers delight boxes
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: giving your hands on them is impossible because they're all
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: going to breakers that's part of the reason why that
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: like there's only a limited set of them available so
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: that makes them even harder to get and honestly the
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Most of those you would hope do get broken because
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: they've got some good stuff in there and are being
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: used for breaks anyway. So we did it. We both survived.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: We got through all the parallels. I will say, actually,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: there's one parallel we didn't talk about when I was
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: running through the others that were out there. And one
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: of them is the Red Rookie parallels. They're still doing
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: this buyback program. You probably assumed it if you were
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: listening to this Bowman Chrome podcast and listened to Bowman
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: podcast before because I think the red rookie Chrome redemption
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: program is kind of here to stay forever, especially given
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: that they've got to run this thing for 50 plus
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: years or whatever in our indefinitely till the end of
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: time that like they might as well keep it rolling.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: So you've got red rookie card re parallels for each
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: of the rookies, which the logo, the RC logo on
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: the card will be red instead of it's noble red, white,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and blue. And, they will be inserts and limited from
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: that perspective. But what's going to make this easy is
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: that when you're looking at the redemption, I've got the
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: redemption details down in the show notes, so we don't
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: have to rehash that, but you're only to focus on three.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: It's McGonigal, Sal Stewart. And honestly, that might be the
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: only two, but for some reason, Nolan McLean's not getting
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: any discussion or love for the rookie of the year,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: even though he's been pitching really well. I think there
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: might be more of a discussion when we get towards
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the end of the season and people start stacking up
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the decks of McLean versus Stewart, but Stewart is probably
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the runaway NL rookie of the year favorite. Nobody's even
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: close to McGonigal. I think at this point that it
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: would take a pretty crazy Murakami stretch of home runs
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: to be able to push him back into the rookie
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: of the year lead. So that makes it easy. If
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: you've got a red rookie parallel, I think of McGonigal
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: or Stewart, you've already made yourself a hundred bucks to Unless, Brew,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: you're advocating people to hold on to your Sal Stewart's
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and McGonagall's out there?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: No, I'm strongly advising against it. Just brushing up on
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: the rules again, just as a reminder. If you get
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: the red rookie redemption of the guy that wins the
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: rookie of the year, and remember, half the guys that
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: have the red rookie logo aren't eligible for rookie of
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: the year, so a whole other discussion on that one. Um,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: but if they, if, if they win it, the redemption
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: window opens, you have until March of next year to
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: redeem your a hundred dollars. If that closes and you
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: did not redeem, you are out of luck. You cannot
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: get that a hundred dollars anymore. You can only get
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: something if they win the next, if they won another award, uh,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: the MVP or, or, or Cy Young, I guess in
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: this situation is going to be MVP. We're talking about,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: and then it opens back up for that year after
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: that season. So like, if you don't redeem in this
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: first go around, You are just playing fire, and you
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: know that you just burnt $ 100 going forward. So maybe
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: you believe that McGonigal is a future MVP, and you
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: want to lean in and go after that big payday.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's $ 300, if I recall, for the MVP,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: because if he wins both in the first year, it
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: becomes $ 400. So they do at least give you... Maybe
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: that's the big thing sometime here is we get like
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: an Ichiro situation sometime where he can go after the
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: rookie of the year and the MVP in that rookie year.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: That's going to be the big news on this one.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: But otherwise, man, don't be holding out for the Hall
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: of Fame induction or things like that because it's going
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: to be real tough to not sell every little piece
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: along the way for these guys. So, yeah, I'm taking
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: the $ 100 and running every day. Yep.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the inserts that are in
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: this set, which I will say Bowman continues to have
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: strong inserts. So there are some that I think are
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: less successful, but they're trying, I think is the biggest
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: kind of component here that they're putting some effort into these,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: as opposed to some of the ones that we've been
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: seeing more so in flagship and Chrome over the past
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: couple of years, where it does feel like a lazy
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: cut and paste from old big league designs or something
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: like that, where, Bowman continues to pump out pretty solid
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: insert designs. And like I said, putting effort into them.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: So we've got some of the standard kind of returning
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: ones here where you've got the, it came to the
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: league insert, which is a motif on a monster kind
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of coming through like a 1950s monster B film sort
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: of vibe to it with this year. It's got like
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: a octopus arms or whatever on it. And it's kind
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: of like, it's fun because on the, The rookie cards,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: it's like slanting the Bowman logo and kind of messing
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: with the elements of the card. So a little bit
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: of interaction and action there. You've got the Garbage Pail
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Kids parallels, which if you're familiar with the Garbage Pail
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Kids cards, which is also owned by Topps, it's kind
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of a gruesome, cartoony... little vibe where it's also like
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: it screams goth to me, but maybe that's just a
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: little bit more projection on like who usually collects Garbage
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Pail Kids cards and especially did back in the 80s
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: and when they first came out. But they do that
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: and make little gruesome cartoons with each of the players
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and put them in characters. What will make it fun
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: is we'll get to it in the autos in a
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: little bit where they're doing it with Hall of Famers
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: now and former stars as opposed to it just being
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: all current star, so there's a nice little twist there
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: in this checklist. You've got Final Draft, which is a
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: short print and it was actually in Bowman originally too.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: It was a big case hit there where it just
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: looks like a graffiti wall behind the player essentially. Different logos,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: different kind of words and stuff behind them. Those have
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: been pretty popular. You've got the very popular Crystallized, which
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: looks like the inside of a geode cut in half.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: That's a short print, again. Spotlights, we talk about it
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: all the time. It's in our PC editions constantly. Might
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: be coming up in the second half. It looks like
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: a player is just underneath a spotlight with it's all
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: black behind them. And if it's a rookie card, it's
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: got the RC logo. Otherwise, it's just got the Bowman
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Chrome logo on it. These are case hits in this product.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: So when they first came out, they weren't always case hits.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: And so something to keep in mind is that They
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: will be case hits in this one. Spring breakout, which
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I couldn't recall if it was actually like a rehash
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: of an old insert, but it's been done before by moment,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: certainly where it's got the prospects kind of in the
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: spring training kind of jerseys and stuff with motifs around
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: spring training behind them. Then you've got some new ones.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: You've got big break, which this one is not successful
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: for me. It's not. It's got players holding the products
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: of Bowman that they were featured in. I think for
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: their first is the way that I was able to
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: track it through the cards. And it looks like a
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: pack is opening around them. But I think any time
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: that you're talking about cards that don't feature players in
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: their uniforms, I'm usually out. And that's what this is.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: They took the pictures of these players with the products
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: like on a soundstage or whatever, and then put them
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: into the product from there. The other new ones you
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: have stars of the future. This is not successful for
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: me either. It's a, it kind of reminds me of a,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: a ripoff of stars of MLB, but it's a little
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: more jazzed up. And then you've got travel tags, which
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: is pretty cool. I think it's like, you've seen variations
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: of stuff like that done before, but it is what
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: it sounds like. It's the travel tag of the player
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: that shows like information that looks like it's on a
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: piece of luggage. So, What do you think about these inserts?
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Anything from the returners that especially strikes your eye this
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: time around? Any of the new inserts that really pop
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: for you?
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think from a returner perspective, you
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: have some classics here. You've got the Crystallize, the Spotlights.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: It Came to the League is an intriguing, interesting one.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: It's kind of fun, so I enjoy that. There's a
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: big following for the Garbage Pail Kids, so that works.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: I think Final Draft is one that's actually kind of
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: jumping out to me. this year is it's just, it's
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: such a cool, uh, I'll say playful card. It feels
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: like it should have been like opening day or something
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: like that. Um, and, and so I think that is
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: a cool, fun, uh, interesting, uh, card. So I think
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a popular card. Um, from a
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: new perspective, I'm with you big break, not at all
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: interested in that stars of the future feels like stars
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: of MLB. It's basically the same thing. Uh, travel tags.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like there was a Bowman's best product
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: that had this. Um, and I couldn't, I tried to
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: look it up because that was called something different, but
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I want to say like 2013, 2014, something like that,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: like Bowman's the best you were getting a similar kind
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: of look and feel. And so I do kind of
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: like it. Um, but I feel like it's also been
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: done before in another version of the product. And so
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like they knocked themselves off to a degree.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: So I'm not quite, quite in on that. So, They're all...
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: The returning ones, I think they just did a good job,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: the returning ones. They picked the best. They tried to
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: take some swings with the new, and I'm going to
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: say they more or less struck out. Maybe two strikes
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: and a foul tip with the travel tags from my perspective.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: So I'm loving them generally, but the new ones, they
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: can remain new for 2026. We don't need to see
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: them again.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the other factor here is that all the new ones...
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: usually one or two of them is a die cut.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: There's no die cuts in these inserts this year that
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: they really kind of decided, Hey, we're not going to
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: worry about cutting these cards more than we need to.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: But like last year we had the, the like guitar
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: ones and different die cuts. So that is actually a
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: little bit of a rarity to not have any die
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: cut inserts, which yeah, something I might note as we
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: go forward, maybe it is something that they're trying to,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: peel back a little bit just to be able to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: get the printing presses moving quick enough to get all
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: the product out the door over at Topps. All right,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: let's get into the hits. Let's get into the autos
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: that you're chasing in those hobby boxes and in those
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Breaker's Delights. And if you're lucky enough, maybe you'll find
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: some in your mega boxes as well. But this is
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: what everybody's going after. So obviously the on-card Bowman-first Uh, autos,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, that is the highlight of the product and
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you're going to be getting, especially the biggest chases. There
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: are going to be your Luis Hernandez, Angebel Gomez, Francisco Renteria,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: all those dudes that we talked about in those upper
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: tiers from the prospect levels. And, uh, certainly from there
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: going into all the parallels as well, too. So the
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: lower number obviously is going to be more expensive. But
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you will see a little bit of a bump for
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: like the blue on-head belt Gomez's will be a little
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: bit more expensive, probably than the greens because of the
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: color match with the Royals. Something to consider if you're
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: also a team collector out there. But other autos that
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: we've got related to prospect, those on-card autos, and especially
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: those first that you're chasing, you have Gold Ink numbered
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: to 15. And really, this is a lot like Tops
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Chrome Gilded, if you're familiar with that product, where They
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: take the Bowman Chrome card and they just drip it
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: all in gold, essentially, where they put gold on every
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: aspect of the actual design. And then the ink itself
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: for the autographed is in gold. These have been highly popular.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: They have been great additions, I think, to the Bowman
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Chrome products. You also have international refractor autos where. that
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: is the ones I was talking about from the variations
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: with the background that is the city or the country
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: that they're from in the background of the actual card.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: They're numbered to five, I believe. Those are going to
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: be big chases, especially when you're talking about some of
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: the ones that look really cool, actually, like some of
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: the maybe lesser known products or prospects that are from
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: like Korea and Japan and have some pretty cool backgrounds
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: behind them. And then you've got Pack Fractor autos that
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: are numbered to 89. Those are the ones that we're
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: talking about with the Bowman design that's green around the
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: outside that has kind of like the throwback to 1989
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: when Bowman was really put on the map and and
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: re-released to a wider audience than it was probably, you know,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: previously from like the fifties and everything like that. So
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: what do you think about those autos for the Bowman
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Chrome firsts and the prospects that you're chasing out there?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we've, we've exposed a gold ink or
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: espoused gold ink a number of times on here. I
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: absolutely love, love it. Probably my favorite is honestly the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Pack Fractors. I don't know if you've seen those in person,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: but they are awesome cards. They are so, so clean.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Even you throw the autos on there, it just absolutely works.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: And I do think you also mentioned the variations with
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: the WBC flags. As I've been looking at some of those,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: those are sneaky for... Not necessarily the auto versions because
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think the autos have parallels. You can correct
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. I think it's just straight versions
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: out of 26. But I've seen a number of them
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: in the colored parallels or just popping on the base version.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: So I think that they're going to be really, really
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: collectible there. But like I said, Pack Factor for me
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: is the one if you're going to chase, I think
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: it's going to be just surprising how valuable and how
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: much those stay. because it hits this older crowd of
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: collecting that absolutely loves that nostalgic of the wax era,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: but then the modern cards combined. So I think that's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: the one that's going to stick out for me constantly.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those will look really great. So in
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: terms of other autos that you could be hitting are also...
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: those WBC flag variations you're talking about, they will be
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: numbered to 26 and featured veterans and rookies. You've got
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: a really cool design that I really liked when I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: was seeing pictures of it. It's called across the seams.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: It's an auto where it looks like it's an autographed
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: baseball because there's just like a baseball design with the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: player picture. But really the, the main center of it
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: is the baseball where, It reminds me a lot of
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: like Sweet Stitches, but it's just an on-card chrome auto
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: without the relic component to it. So I think those
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: will be really popular. The one that I've seen is
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: an Otani one, which, I mean, obviously is going to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: be very popular, but it's going to be a cool
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: set for there. You're also looking at just auto relics.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: You do get a handful of jumbo relics that are
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: in this product that have autos with them. That's mostly
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: focused on rookies and veterans. Then all of the inserts
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: pretty much that we talked about, Garbage Pail Kids that
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I alluded to, this is going to be pretty huge
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: with some of those Hall of Famers having Garbage Pail
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Kid cards that are then signed. Pretty funny to also
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: think about some of just like the more serious characters,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I would say, that you're going to have to sign
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: these hilarious little Garbage Pail Kids cards and cartoons of
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: themselves where You know, you're looking at somebody like a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Larry Walker. Well, maybe Larry Walker wasn't the best example,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: considering that SpongeBob shirt he wore during his Hall of
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Fame announcement. But, you know, Reggie Jackson had to sign
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: this Garbage Pail Kids card that went out there. Will Clark,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Roger Clemens. You've got some pretty fun old names that
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: are in this set, along with Aaron Judges and Shohei
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Otani's and stuff like that. So these are I think
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: these are going to be wildly popular. And they're all
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: numbered to of 10. So that's even going to increase
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: the rarity and popularity and value of them across the board.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: You've also got big break. It'll be spring breakout travel tags.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: It came from the league. Rookie image variations all have
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: autos as well. And then one of the retrofractor dudes
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: is still alive.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Jim Palmer.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: He signed some cards as well. Couldn't get Rogers Hornsby
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: out of the grave to sign his retrofractor. So yeah,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: What stands out to you from this additional list of autos?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Because like I said, the first is the big chase
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: cards here in Bowman Chrome, but these other auto checklists
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: are strong. They are not filled with filler the way
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: that we've seen in Topps Chrome and Flagship that if
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: you're hitting an auto that isn't a Bowman first, you're
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: going to be hitting a pretty decent name here.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I got two thoughts here. One, I
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: can't stand the across the seams. You kind of liked it, man.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: That thing looks cheap. No, it's not for you. No,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: it's not for me. Like the design's pretty rough. It
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: feels like some of the back of the day, like
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: knockoff products trying to make their way in. So I'm
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: just gonna leave that one there. That said, I'll take
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: the Otani. Please send it my way. I'm perfectly fine
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: with that. I'll find a use for it. But the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: other thing that I want to call out, because again,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: the inserts we love, they look better with the auto.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: But what's really interesting as you look through a lot
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: of these is there's a big variation on the parallels
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: for them. And so like across the seams, you know,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: you get the out of five red refractor, you have
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: a super fracture there. The big break doesn't have any parallels.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: The garbage pile kids is out of 10 for a
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: black perspective. It came to the league. There's out of 50s,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: out of 25s, out of fives, like, you have to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: be really careful as you open these and look at
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: them because some of them, like the base version that
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: you get, um, like WBC, uh, flag variation out of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: the 26 is the base. And then there's only a
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: super fractor of it, but there's not no other parallels
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: where some of you have three or four parallels. So
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: I think you have to be very careful of what
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: it is just so you know, um, the rarity that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: you're getting. Cause you might just get the spring breakout, uh,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: base and it's not, It's a lot easier to get,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: but you might then have a number of auto parallels
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: on it. So just keep an eye out for that.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I think that was a little interesting to see that
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: there really wasn't a big consistency across those. Like I said,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: spring breakout, pack odds are not easy. They're like 1
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: in 22,000 hobby packs, but they do have a gold.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: They do have an orange. They do have a red.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: They do have a super fractor. So those are going
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: to be a lot more plentiful than some of these
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: other ones. Like, so they've crossed the seams, something like that,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: which just aren't produced as much and might have a
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: similar pack odds, but they don't have all the parallels.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: So they're gonna be a little bit harder to find.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: So keep an eye on that as far as what's
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: actually available on these. Yep.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I think that is a good call out just so
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: that you can also size it up correctly when you're
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: actually putting it and listing it on eBay. If you're
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: hitting these cards and wanting to list them that, know
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: what you've got and make sure that you're listing it
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: appropriately so that you don't end up ripping yourself off
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day. And then, yeah, that's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: going to wrap us up for Bowman Chrome. Check out
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: that baseball release calendar, which is right after the rundown
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: of Bowman Chrome in the show notes. We do have
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: a few updates, which is Alan and Ginter and Museum
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Collection are officially set for October 7th. So those will
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: be out in just under a month. And I think
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: especially Alan and Ginter is going to be a bigger release.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: And we'll focus on that and do an overview when
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: it's coming out. We've also got Tops Holiday is on
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: the list now. So yeah. It's TBD, but it does
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: have a pre-order on September 21st and tops update September
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: 14th pre-order. So we've got some big major pre-orders here coming. Well,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: I just put holiday into the major big category just
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: because we love it so much, but maybe others out
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: there are not quite as enthused for holiday as we are,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: but we're going to have some fun cards that are
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: going to be coming out on the stretch in the fall.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: to keep us amused after the baseball season wraps up.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: So with that, we're going to take a short break
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: and we will be back on the other side to
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: discuss the August player of the month PC picks.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody. We're going to get right into.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Our, other main topic, it's not the main topic, of
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: covering the August Player of the Month PC picks. So
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: if it is your first time checking out this podcast, first, welcome.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: But this is one of the things that we do
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: every month throughout the season to honor the winners of
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: the Player of the Month Awards that happen, well, every month,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: as maybe you could have guessed. But what we do
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: is PC stands for Personal Collection, and On the podcast,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: we've got a running list of cards that we've put
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: into our personal collection for the pod. Mostly build off
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: of these Player of the Month awards, but also we
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: do award winners at the end of the year, some
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame inductees, and then other spots where, you know,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: maybe we're talking about first round picks for fantasy. Then
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: we also... do a card draft as well. So there
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: is a link in the show notes that you can
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: see all the historical picks that we've made over the years.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a growing, growing list. So it's a
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: fun list. If you're also down the show notes and
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: you didn't check it out when you were listening to
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: the Bowman Chrome portion, or if you are, a really
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: insane sicko who did not listen to our Bowman Chrome overview,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: but love cards and came straight to the player, the
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: month PC again, welcome. You are our people because this
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: is one of our favorite segments that we do every
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: month is go into those show notes, click on the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: link that goes to the related Razzball post. You will
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: see a bunch of pictures for Bowman Chrome cards. And
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: then after that, the pictures of the PC cards that
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: we're going to pick here so that you can see
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: them as we try to describe them as well. Like
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: I said, this is a fun monthly exercise that we
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: like to do and just to discuss cards, discuss great performances,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: and highlight some new players that maybe might not be
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: well collected in the hobby. I think it's also fun
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: to put together PCs like this where there is a
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: through thread where, you know, if you've got all MVPs,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I know, Brew, you've been working on putting together all
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame rookie cards and stuff. If you have
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: a story behind a PC, I think it really strengthens
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: it and makes it much more appreciable, as well as
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: it makes it much easier to sort for your own sake.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: So something to keep in mind. If you are following along,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: we got some fun choices this month. No Otani's, so
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: maybe your wallet can afford it. But we do have
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: a couple of other repeats that maybe will break your bank. Brute.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: let people know how much you love the, the player
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: of the month PC exercise. Cause I know you love
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: rifling through a eBay for these cards. And this is
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: one of your highlights when we get to do it
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: every few weeks.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's so fun just because, um, you know, anybody
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: that's a collector in this hobby, um, and I think
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: collector and, uh, reseller and all that kind of merges
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: together at some point, uh, cause you got to somehow
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: fund your, your, your issues. Um, And you've got to
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: pick a lane. Like you said, I've been working recently.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: It is a very labor of love. Takes a while
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: bringing in a lot of those Hall of Fame rookies
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: and getting those in my collection, kind of consolidating into
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: some of those. But I also have a big collection
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: of some of my favorite Cardinals players from when I
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: was growing up and things like that. And I'm always
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: adding to that. I got on a binge of buying
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Jack Flaherty cards last night because, you know, why not?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: But you don't get a chance to appreciate if you
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: do have your PC of what you go after, and
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: it's not just everything, you don't get a chance to
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: appreciate some of these cards that are out there for
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: the rest of the league or some of the products
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: that you're not going to be able to collect as
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: often because maybe you can't rip a Bowman Chrome, for example,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: or you can't rip Five Star or whatever the product
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: may be. This is just a fun way to appreciate
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: the hobby and the art that is creating cards. And
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: take an appreciation for other teams and other players. And
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: if you were to collect that, what would you collect, right?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: You and I always talk about the color matches and
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: things like that. That might work for our team. It
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: might not work for another team. And so it's just
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: fun to experience it from a different angle and get
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: a chance to investigate cards that we'll never be able
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: to add to our collection. Or you can't justify spending,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: you know, even $ 10 on the random minor league card
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: that was autographed 10 years ago in person type of thing.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: But they're so cool that if it was like your
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: team and your PC, you'd like have to have that
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: in your collection. So absolutely love it. It's so fun.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: It just exposes to things that you don't get a
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: chance to see. It's kind of like going to a
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: big card show and just looking at cool cards, but
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: doing it through, it's just doing it online and hunting
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: and packing and trying to find what's out there for
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: these great players.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly. Hear, hear. So let's get into our awards.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: We start in the AL side where we're going to
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: get into the player of the month. And it was, well,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: we'll get into it a little bit on the AL.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: The AL was a goofy month because Kansas City Royals
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: won both the pitcher and the player of the month,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: even though they are pulling up last place in the
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: AL Central. Jack Caglione of the Royals was your winner
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: of the player of the month in the AL. A
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: fantastic month for him. 24 games. with six homers and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: 26 RBI. The slash line was bananas. 4'11, 4'29, 6'84,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: good for a 2 of 8 WRC +. Pretty much
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: looked like Aaron Judge for an entire month. It was
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: really the breakout that we were looking for for Jack Caglione,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: who turns 24 in February, so things are really starting
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: to come together for him in Kansas City. He has
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: been battling an elbow injury the past week, so we'll
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: see maybe whether or not the Royals kind of start
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: debating shutting him down. But I think this is exactly
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: what you had been wanting to see from Caglione was
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: steady all season. And then this August really pushed him
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: forward to another level. So with that brew, you've got
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: lots of choices here for Jack Caglione been well-known in
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: the hobby ever since he came out of Florida and
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: even was well-known in the hobby at Florida. So where
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: did you go?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going to go back to our discussion
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: here about Bowman Chrome and how you have to be
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: careful of what you're actually looking at. Because I went
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: with a card from 2026 Bowman, which is a Chrome
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: card from that set. But it's not 2026 Bowman Chrome,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: it's 2026 Bowman. But I'm going with the Patchwork Superfractor
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: 1 of 1 for Jack Caglione that came out in
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: this spring. This is actually a PSA 10 version. of
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: a Super Fractor. I'm not a big fan of gradient
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Super Fractors, but I guess to protect it, you can
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: do it. And if you get a 10, hey, why not?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: But for those that don't know, listen to our episode
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: about the patchwork cards. It kind of has the texture
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: look of a jersey behind it. And then a lot
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: of the pieces from the jersey, you got the MLB logo,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: you got the rookie card logo, you got his number,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: you got his name, all kind of like stitched onto
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: the card to kind of make it look like it's
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: part of the jersey. It's To me, it's kind of
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: like the same version of a downtown type of thing
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: on the other side of the hobby with football cards
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: where it's just like, hey, it's got this really unique
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: kind of look and could be really collectible. I think
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: they're absolutely brilliant. Getting it in the Super Fracture also
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: just gives it this extra little tinge to it that
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: really makes it pop. This one was sold on eBay.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: It was sold at Best Offer for around $ 12, 000. I
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: don't know what it actually sold for. If you saw it,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: let me know, but It was not terribly affordable and
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: it happened to sell in the middle of August. And
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: so I'm not sure if that was a good time
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: to sell or maybe waited another week or two. It
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: would have been better, but definitely somebody looking to capitalize
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: on that Jack Caglione breakout.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is a great choice. It's actually,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: it's pretty close also to the final draft cards that
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: we were just talking about from Bowman Chrome. I'm also
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: trying to do a sorting of the game log to
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: see that was coming off of the tail of actually
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: he did like all of his damage in the early
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: half of August. He had four homers and knocked in
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: 13 RBI in the first half of August right before
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: this thing sold. So that's honestly, you might've already peaked
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: out with that one. So, Great choice to sell it.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Great card. It's beautiful. I mean, it also just gives
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: you a fun RC logo location. You don't always get that.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, we just discussed with it came from the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: league is doing a little bit with that in Bowman Chrome.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a fun card. You get Caglione in
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: the City Connect jerseys as well. So they highlight it well,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: where sometimes you get a City Connect jersey that on
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: a card and it just doesn't mesh well with everything else.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: But on this one, they made sure to use the
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: city connect logos and stuff and just really makes it pop.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Great choice for Jack Caglione.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: All right. Where'd you go with Cags?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Well, surprisingly he, this was the first two times he's
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: been in our PC. So we had the entire ocean
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: available to us of Jack Caglione cards and I had
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: to go with one when we talked about Bowman Chrome
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: this time last year, this was one of the cards
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: that I put into the show, like the related show
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: posting that had the, the pictures of the cards. Cause
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. I'm going with the 2025 Bowman Chrome
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: crystallized of Jack Caglione. This is what we were talking
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: about earlier when we were previewing Bowman Chrome 2026 is
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: this is the, card where you crack open a geode
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: and you get that in the background. Uh, it just
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: really pops here with, with Jack Caglione, the white and
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: blue Royals Jersey that he's running in. It is set
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: against a blue gold and white geode behind him. So clean,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: so beautiful. And just like this was actually the price
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: of it. Now of the one that I found is
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: about what the price of it was last year. fall.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: So that shows you kind of like where the prices
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: can kind of fluctuate, where the one that I linked to,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: it's actually a 10, a Beckett 10. So that is
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: the price gap that you're kind of looking at from
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: where it came from Bowman Chrome previously. I think in
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: the raw version, you can probably find this for a
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: couple hundred bucks. But one of my favorite cards of
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Caglion that's ever been made, and I had to put
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: in the PC because of that.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is a great, great choice. I
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: absolutely love Crystallized. I think it's a really unique card. view, pattern,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: brings in the color match that we love about it.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: And it's just a clean card. This is one of
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: the few cards that has nothing on it except for
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: the card design and the logo of the product. It
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: doesn't have on the front of the card the team name.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have a position. It doesn't have a border.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have anything else. It is just the design
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: of the card, the Bowman Chrome logo, and Jack Caglio.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: So it's very, very clean and really just leans into
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: the overall design. This one feels more like art than
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: a card, and so I think it's a great, great ad.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Only downfalls, the one that you're looking at here, was 0.5
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: away from a Beckett gold label on the surface. So
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: it could have been better, but I'll give it to you.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: This was a good ad.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I'll look for that next time when I'm
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: looking for a PC edition. Next player that we have
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: is Pete Crow Armstrong from the NL. I mean, this
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: is the month in August when he pretty much wrapped
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: up this MVP for 2026, popped 14 homers with 28 RBI,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: six stolen bases, and put up a slash line of 280, 366, 703,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: which is not even the highest slug of a month
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: this season. That was 781 back in June of when
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Pete Crow Armstrong was also put into this PC for
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: his work. So he's a repeat from 2026 here. He
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: also was previously in it, I believe, for another Rookie
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: of the Month way back during his debut year from
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: one of our early PC editions. So he's been in
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: the PC a few times. And I'm running out of
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: superlatives for this season for PCA because it does also
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: feel like every time you look up, he is popping
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: a homer. Already has three more in September. I think
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a lock for 40-40. It's going
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: to push 50-40, I think, to be able to really
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: put himself into some rarefied air. Only 24 years old.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: It's kind of nuts that we're getting this out of
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Pete Crow Armstrong, but it's been quite the fun ride.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Where'd you go this time for the PCA PC pick?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I had to have a little fun with it.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: We are recording, again, this is Wednesday evening, the 9th
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: of September here, and it is first game of the
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: NFL season. And just in case you're curious, the Patriots
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: are winning 7-0 against the Seahawks right now in the
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: third quarter. So I went with his 2026 Topps Chrome
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Logofractor image variation, which, first of all, Logofractor cards, awesome.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely love those designs. They pop for those. The Logofractor
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: has the MLB logo. kind of patched logo on it,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: just kind of spread across in a chrome across the
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: back of the card. But the image variation is PCA
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: in a big old Cubs hoodie. He's got his big
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: old sunglasses on and he's throwing a football. He is,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: he's ready for the season to open. He's prepping, he's
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: getting himself ready. So I love, it's kind of like that.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: This feels like an image that would be on like
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: a golden mirror. type of card, but they really did
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: it up well with the image variation here. So had
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: to have a little fun with it being opening night
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: for the NFL. We don't talk about other sports as
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: much on this podcast. And frankly, throughout the whole season,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: we're just going to talk baseball. But there's a little
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: fun connection there. So go with the PCA image variation
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: from Topps Chrome. Available about $ 200 on eBay if you
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: want it.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great pick for the theme, to put it on theme.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: You can't go wrong with the Topps logo Fractor as
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: well with that MLB logo all throughout it. They just
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: look beautiful no matter what, even if it is on
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: the crummy 2026 Topps design that I just integrated.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: I was waiting for it.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: But the other thing is that this is almost like
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: a standard look for PCA on a card nowadays because
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: his Golden Mirror rookie card, which is also in the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: PCA had him in this hoodie as well. So this
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: time you get him with the football, but you can
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: put together an entire collection of PCA cards that just
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: had him in this hoodie. I can tell you it's
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: gotten prohibitively more expensive because you can just see it
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: in the trends. Maybe I'll just dive right into my
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: card because that is a little bit of the theme
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: for my card and my pick because the one that
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: I found is one of the worst listing photos of
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: all time I've seen on eBay and still listed for
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: 200 bucks. It's the 2024 Bowman Spotlights of PCA, which
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: is also a remembrance of when PCA had a little
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: bit of chin hair that he was trying to make happen. Thankfully,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: he's gotten rid of it because it did not work
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: for him. But this is the classic Bowman Spotlight that
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: we were talking about. Kind of rounds out the theme
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: that I did on the double dunk for Bowman Chrome cards.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just black in the background. And then
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: you've got PCA swinging the bat and kind of... He
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: obviously ripped a ball foul and is watching it. But
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: you've just got the rookie logo and the Bowman Chrome logo.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: That's all that's on the front of it. Very, very clean.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: But this card is listed for $ 300 with this awful
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: photo on eBay. This card, just a couple months ago,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: was running like less than $ 100. Like, the PCA market
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: has gone bananas. So... A reminder out there that if
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: you were sitting on any PCA cards, it might be
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: time to move them because the prices are starting to
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: verge on Aaron Judge and Otani territory. Maybe PCA's kind
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: of didn't know. I mean, he's proven us wrong at
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: every turn, and maybe this is the beginning of a
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame career. But at the same time, I
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: don't know how much more juice there is even in
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: the PCA card market. So if you've been sitting on
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: some peak for Armstrong cards, or know that you've got
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: some huddled away somewhere, it might be time to start
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: pulling them out because when this MVP announcement, I think
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: hits for PCA, that's probably when we're going to crest
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: at the peak of the, of the value across the board.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: And you're going to want to jump on that as
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: quick as you can.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. Like if you, and you can just
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: like base inserts, things like that, things that are, you know,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: dollar box finds your $ 5 cards right now, like that's
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: not going to last. So time to go after it. But,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Love this pick. Love spotlight cards. I want to say
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: with this, with the way they did the photo, it
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: looks like he's holding a lightsaber. It's just a fun
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: little one there. There's a bat actually going off the card.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: The only thing I'm going to nitpick at this one
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: is I can't stop seeing Kyle Schwarber with the goatee
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: he's got going on here. It looks like a young
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber. I mean, hey, if that's the outcome for PCA,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: first of all, PCA really slowed down. If that's the
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: case from, from a speed perspective. But Hey, I think
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: this is a great pick. And especially with the Cub
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: fans out there, there's a lot of Cubby blue on
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: this one for folks, especially at the socks. He's got
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: the nice big Cub logo on the socks on this
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: one as well. He's rocking it old school for sure.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Great pick.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, I think this is the only
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: one that's available right now on eBay. So you've got
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: to kind of take your risk on this crummy photo
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: that like, uh, I almost had to go with a
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: parallel just cause I couldn't find a base to take a,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: find a photo of to make my pick. So it
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: is a hot card right now. Uh, let's get over
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: to those pictures on the AL side. We have a,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: another Royal, as I, as I said at the beginning,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: it was Noah Cameron who, uh, it was a run man.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: And he's still on it that like, he's still pitching
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: pretty well during August. He put up a one 87
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: ERA across his five starts after, I mean, it was
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: not a great start to the season, uh, and has
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: now lowered his ERA significantly to being a useful pitcher
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: for fantasy, gotten it below the four mark. I highlighted
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: him in a piece at BP recently, and honestly, all
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: it is is that he's got a nasty slider and
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: he's just throwing it more. Who would have guessed that
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: would work? So stop throwing your fastball, Noah Cameron. Continue
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: to stop throwing your fastball because it is working for you.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: It won you a Player of the Month award in
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: the ALA, Obviously, the first time that we were discussing
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: Noah Cameron for the PC. Where'd you go, Brew?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Noah Cameron, there weren't a lot of options
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: out there for Noah Cameron, to be honest.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Not a very photogenic dude either.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: No, no, probably not. But I went with his... rookie
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: card from tops 2025 update, but I'm going with the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: true photo variation, uh, kind of, kind of to a
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: degree of what we just talked about with crystallize. Um,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: what this does is it takes all the borders off
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: the cards. It is just the photo, um, and the,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: the tops logo and the, and the RC logo. That's
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: the only things on that. So this is him, uh,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: delivering a pitch. Uh, the, the, the photo is taken
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: very clearly right behind home plate, you know, it was
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: a zoomed in, um, To your point, probably not the
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: most photogenic here. He's putting all the effort into it.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: But of all the cards out there, a lot of
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: them were very, very similar for Cameron. So I wanted
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: something a little bit unique, and that's kind of what
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: the True Photo variation gave us, was a little bit
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: more of a unique card. And I I always appreciate
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: this type of variation because I see people all the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: time confused by it because it just, it doesn't look
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: like anything. It's just, it's like you just took a
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: photo and put it in there. And so I think
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: it's a, it's a fun variation because of that. So
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: this one's available right now for about 70 bucks on
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: eBay and probably could get a good best offer in
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: on that one. uh, as well. Uh, I don't think
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: the Noah Cameron, uh, market's going to kind of follow
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: the PCA market at any time soon. Uh, pitchers, uh,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: don't do so well there. And, uh, Noah Cameron doesn't
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: like blow you away necessarily, uh, from, uh, the, the
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: mound personality, but Hey, for UKC fans, there there's, you know,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: this is a guy that, uh, if you want to
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: go get the true photo variation, it's, it's readily available. Yeah.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think this, we are into clean cards
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: tonight that, you know, This is another one that is
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: just beautiful. It's clean. And what I love about the
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: true variation is you still get the standard normal back
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: that you get on a, on a card. So you
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: get the, the little story about him whiffing dudes in
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: the minor leagues and his stats. And the other component
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: I like about this is it's a pretty good action shot.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: It's not exactly the most flattering. You got these rec
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: specs kind of popping off his face, but, What stands
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: out to me when I'm watching Noah Cameron pitch is
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: he's a big dude. He's 6'3, 220, and he's got thick,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: thick thighs, and you can see that in this true variation.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: It's mostly a thigh variation card, so great pick.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: That's very true.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: What did you do with Noah Cameron? How out of
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: the box were you able to get?
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't go very far out of the box. I
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: stayed pretty far inside the box, actually, that, you know,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: especially the first time you're going into the P.C., Usually
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: we do take a Bowman first or a Topps Chrome
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Auto to put in. And that's what I'm doing. I mean,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take the blue wave parallel because it
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: looks great. And man, Royals, it's a great PC to
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: have because like the blue variations across the board match everything.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: Because even when he's in the light blue uniform like
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: he is on this photo, that matches with the dark
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: blue as well. So you've got a great design here
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: from the 2025 Topps Chrome Update Series and the Chrome
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: of 150 Blue Wave Refractor for Noah Cameron. A little
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: bit less of an action shot than what you picked
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: for yours, but you're getting a nice little in Cameron autograph.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: You can tell exactly what his name is and you're
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: getting those ray waves popping while you're looking at this card.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, whoever took this photo, maybe clean your leather
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: couch a little bit. That would be good for you.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: But also you understood the assignment because you took a
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: picture of this wave variation refractor in some great sunlight.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: That is maybe one of my favorite things to do
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: during the summer is go take a cool refractor outside,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: look at it in the sun, and you can entertain
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: yourself for hours. So that's where I'm going with Noah Cameron.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: So I will talk about the card in a second,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: but I think it's funny because With refractors, it's one
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: of the funniest things to take photos for eBay. I
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: think across the hobby. Because you want to be able
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: to show the true... When you hold a refractor in
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: your hand, you can feel how cool and neat and
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: fun to look at that card it is. But it's
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: so hard sometimes to get a photo of it because
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: you can't use a flash. And my go-to is I
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: have a big slider back door that has the sunlight
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: comes in the afternoon. I put it on my tile
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: floor right next to my slider and I get to
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: the sunlight that can hit it. And it looks. I
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: haven't used the leather couch attempt yet. Maybe I'll have
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: to give that a try. I'm going to give it
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: the credit. This is the ottoman by the window here.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: But enjoy that. To your point, the blue always works
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: for the Royals. I also love a guy that actually
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: you can read his autograph on. Um, that's not out there.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't quite get Noah out there. It's
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: just got in.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Cameron, but yeah, you got, you got the Cameron. That's
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: how he's signing checks. I think, you know what I mean?
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean, Hey, I can't, you can't read
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: my signature when I sign a check, uh, who signs
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: checks anyway. But, um, so I, I, I think it's
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: a great, uh, great card, uh, to your point, like
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: you can't go wrong with adding a guy to your,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: the PC that likely you aren't going to add again.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: or don't have anything in there of going with their
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Bowman first color match or a Topps Chrome auto rookie
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: color match. Those are going to be great, and the
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: Ray Wave really works on this one. So really, really
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: good pick for Noah Cameron. Welcome to the PC.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's go to the NL side. The
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: pitcher of the month there was Philadelphia Phillies left-hander Jesus Lizardo. Bananas,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: August for him, 34 and a third innings of 131 ERA.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: While just giving up two homers. And striking out 46 batters.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: And man. The K's were there. The lack of walks.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Has stuck now for a couple months. Where it was
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: looking shaky. For Lizardo out the gate. But now he is.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: I mean he's been an ace. For quite a good
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: stretch here. The K minus BB was 27.8%. In August.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: He is rolling right now.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: Just continues to roll, even though like he, well, actually, yeah,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: that was just this past week on Monday when he
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: threw the shutout with 12 Ks against the Braves that, um,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: he might be the best starter in that rotation right
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: now as the Phillies are going into the playoffs. Lizardo,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: it's your first time in the pod of PC here.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: So welcome brew. Where'd you go?
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, um, when I first looked at Luzardo, it's
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: hard to not see about a thousand cards of him
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: in athletics, Jersey.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: I was going to say that he'd like, he's, he's
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: haunted me from 2020 ripping past. Cause he was in
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: every product, every insert set in 2020.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that was like the, the COVID times that
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: was where everybody's locked down. And so like, I still
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: go through boxes today and I'm like, there's a stack
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: of Luzardo rookies. And, and the, They just don't hold
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: up because it's the athletics. And he didn't really ever
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: have his true breakout with them. He's really done that
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: with the Phillies. So I had to look for a
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Phillies card. And I know you don't love the 2026 design,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: but there's some cool things in it. And so I'm
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: going with the 2026 Topps Chrome light board logo card
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: for Jesus Luzardo. For those that don't know, the light
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: board is where they have the logo kind of lit
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: up behind them. kind of like the old bar sign
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: that you may have there. And it just absolutely pops
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: from a refractor standpoint. So it's the basic design of
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: the Topps Chrome refractor, but the background has been replaced
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: by the Phillies logo here. And this card, he is just,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: he is heaving that ball. You can tell he put
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: everything behind the pitch that he threw. So it's actually there.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: The other thing I like is it's, I know I
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: went a little off the rails on some earlier cards
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: with some price points here. This is affordable. It's like $ 20.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: It's $ 20 on eBay, and you probably can find it
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: cheaper elsewhere. But it's just a cool, cool card, and
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: I wanted him in the Phillies uniform, and I love
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: the kind of Phillies cream uniform. It just feels very,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: very clean. So that's where I went with Mr. Luzardo.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is a great pick. You're also
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: just like, With the alternates, you get that blue cap,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: which mixes with the blue of the Liberty Bell and
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: the logo. So it's not kind of like an overload
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: of red for you. Great little refractor. Nice photo. This
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: person did not have to use their couch to set
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: it up. They've got the full light box and everything.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: Respected the hell out of this $ 20 Jesus Lizardo card.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, great pick right here. And I think it's
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: a great action shot of Lizardo while also kind of like,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: commemorating the month very well with just the Phillies-ness of
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: it all.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: Awesome. Where did you go with Lizardo? Did you pull
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: one of those athletic cards out of the dollar box
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: or did you upgrade to a Phillies jersey?
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: I did not and I do think that it's really
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: funny that we both had the same sort of ick
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: when we were going through Jesus Lizardo options and had
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: flashbacks to ripping all that 2020 product and ending up
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: with it and it's tucked away somewhere on our offices,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: all these Lizardo stacks we've got. I also had to
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: go with the Phillies card. I went with 2025 Stadium
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Club Chrome with an on-card auto of 25, the foil
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: fracture variation. This does speak a little bit to what
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: you're talking about with the difficulty of trying to photograph
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: of a refractor because this person used a scanner and
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: it came through a little funky, so it doesn't do
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: true justice to the foil fracture, but It's one of
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: the better squared up photos of it. You can find
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: other photos of it where you can see how well
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: it pops, but it's a pretty straightforward stadium club card
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: where you get, you know, mostly the action shot of
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Luzardo celebrating after probably striking somebody out or completing another
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: complete game, a nice little signature, you know, nothing too fancy,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: but nothing where you're disappointed by it. And yeah, relatively affordable,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: only a hundred bucks and, This is a guy who
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: is relatively young, might make some hay for himself and
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: put himself in some Cy Young conversations in the future.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: So if you're looking for a cheap on-card auto, well,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: maybe not cheap, but affordable on-card auto of an up-and-coming
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: pitching star, I don't think you can go wrong with
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: this 2025 Stadium Club foil fractor. He's a Cesaro auto.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. I always enjoy a guy that
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: works their Jersey number into their autograph. And I beyond,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: I believe a J to start this autograph. I can't
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: tell you what the other letter is in his autograph,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: but he has a nice 44 in there, which I
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: always love without extra touch from a player. Also have
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: to love just the stadium club, the clean cuts on
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: this one. The foil board, foil fracture aspect of this
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: kind of takes away the background of the photo, but
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: it still is a great photo of him clearly celebrating,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: pumped up. Showing the emotion. Gotta love it in today's
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: modern game when people can show the emotion as they're
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: making their way through the game. So great pick. It's
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: been a while since we brought Stadium Club in, which
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: is a little disappointing to us on that aspect. So
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: appreciate you picking us back up there.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem. All right, well, that's going to wrap
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: up our bespected cold pitcher portion of the podcast. So
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: let's get into it. This is the main reason I
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: wanted to do this PC Player of the Month segment
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: and make sure that we didn't lose sight of the
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: August ones because the banana man himself, outfielder from the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Chicago White Sox, Tristan Peters, took home the Rookie of
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: the Month award on the AL, which is bananas, obviously,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: 26 years old. Another Southern Illinois guy, he went to SIUC,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: not E like our man Avery earlier, but a tried
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: and true Valley member. So we will never overlook that,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: Tristan Peters. Great August, 26 games where he popped six homers,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: including a stretch of five in a row, I believe,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: of games like just could not be stopped. 14 runs,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: 14 RBI. and a slash line of 320, 414, 640.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: That's right, Tristan Peters slugged 640 over an entire month.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Who would have thunk? This is a guy who bounced around,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: was DFA'd by the Rays last offseason, found his way
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: to the White Sox as a fourth outfielder to open
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: the season, and has been a big portion of their
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: magical run. So this is going to be a great
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: time to commemorate a player that I don't know if
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: we're ever going to get to talk about for the
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: PC ever again because it was a magical month for
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Tristan Peters, magical year for the Chicago White Sox. What
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: choice did you make for the PC here?
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to your point about the journeyman nature of his career,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: I wanted something in the White Sox jersey, and there
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: was not much, clearly, because he just joined the White
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: Sox this year. So I had to dip into the
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: tops now, which is not usually where I like to go.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: but I had to dip into it. So I'm going
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: with this tops now card from April 3rd, which is
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: his first RBI where he walked off against Toronto. And
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: it's his, the out of 10 version, which is the
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: black parallel. So it is him getting celebrated. You got
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: the Gatorade jug being dumped on him after the game.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing during the interview, he doesn't have his hat
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: on or anything like that. So yeah, Absolutely just the
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: time of their life. This is when the White Sox
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: were like really figuring out that they kind of had
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: a special team and they were doing things people didn't
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: quite expect. And I think this just is emblematic of that.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: So going with the Tristan Peters, three of 10 tops
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: now black foil card from April of this year. Yes.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: Great choice. Great action shot of like, they couldn't have
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: like squared up the Gatorade bath any better. And with
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: the waterfall coming down over him, And kind of like
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: the way that Royals and blue parallels are synonymous, white
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: socks and all black refractors in the modern design, you know,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: since they flipped to the black and white uniforms in
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: the early 90s, that like, it's just beautiful. I've never
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: seen a black parallel. Well, except for you will get
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: it sometimes when they're like wearing like the throwback's. of
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: the socks with the hitting guy from the eighties with
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: the Navy blue and red and white uniforms. That'll be
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: on a black parallel and I'll kind of throw you off.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: But if you get the, the standard white socks uniforms
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: with the black and white and the silver. Perfect. It's fantastic.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: So great choice here. And making sure that our boy,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: the banana man got a socks card into the PC.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: Just gotta be careful. Those black parallels. Cause if it's
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: a black paper, those corners are going to be gone.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: Well, thankfully, it's a White Sox card, so you probably
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: didn't pay much for it. That's true.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: This was listed for $ 2. 05 or best offer on eBay.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Actually, it was sold. I don't know
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: what it actually went for. So, hey, maybe that's the
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: way to go. But, yeah, Tristan Peters is generally not
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: going to be the priciest card. But, anyway, where did
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: you go with Banana Man?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: Well, when I discovered that he was in the 2022
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: Choice Richmond Flying Squirrels update set, not the regular set.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: He was in the update set when he was coming
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: through the Giants minor league system. That shows you where
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: Tristan Peters was rising from. It had to go in.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: That's the rule of the pod. If you've got a
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Richmond Flying Squirrels card, it's got to go in the PC.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: And so I had to do that. I have to
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: leave the link, though, to TCDB because there aren't any
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: of these on eBay. They've all been hoovered up that
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: everybody's bought all the Tristan Peters, Richmond Flying Squirrels cards
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: that have been appearing on the market over time. So
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: if you want one, you're going to have to set
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: an alert for it on eBay because I think you're
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: going to be waiting in line behind other White Sox
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: fans that have also been scooping these up. So who
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: knows what the price of these is? If you are
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: somebody who goes to Richmond, Virginia Flying Squirrels games regularly
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: and you're buying the cards and you've got this, you
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: might want to list it because you might be able
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: to turn a decent little profit on your 2022 choice
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Richmond Flying Squirrels update Tristan Peters card. Who would have
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: thunk it?
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: I'm so mad at you. I was mad at myself
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: because I did not realize that that he was on
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: the flying squirrels because I think every other time we've
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: had a flying squirrels guy, I've added it to the
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: PC and, uh, give you credit. You, you got to
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: our show notes first, you had your cards in there first.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: So even if I had, you had first dibs to it. Uh,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: but I w I saw this come up like, Oh gosh,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: dang it. I was looking, I got laser focused on,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: I want a black parallel from a white socks card
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: and I was laser focused. And then you pull this,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: probably $ 3 card out.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: It used to be $ 3.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: It used to be a $ 3 card. Yeah. Like the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: sky's the limit. Like if you've got the only one
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: on eBay, you can ask whatever you want. But you,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: you pull this thing out and I'm sitting here going,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: that is such a much better card than that. So
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: I'm going to borrow your PC here at some point
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: on this one.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, it is. I mean, it's
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: a pretty straightforward card. You got Tristan Peters batting since
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: it's a choice minor league card. Same photo on the
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: front and back. That was probably taken by an amateur photographer,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: but you've got to love a Richmond Flying Squirrels card. Okay,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: let's wrap this up with the NL Rookie of the Month,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: and we've got a repeat here. Sal Stewart is back
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: again after a great month that he put up in August.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: He crossed 100 RBIs in the month. Not all in
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: August for the season. And got over 30 homers. Again,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: not all in August for the season, which should pretty
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: much lock up the rookie of the year for him.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: But like I said, I think Nolan McClain's still nipping
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: at his heels. And when people kind of line everything up,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: we might get a closer race than you might expect,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: given the numbers that Sal Stewart has put up. August
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: was great for him. Eight home runs with 21 RBIs
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: while slashing 304, 349, 503.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: So....
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: We've had one go of Sal Stewart in the PC
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year for April. The nice
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: thing is, between April and now, there's been plenty of
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: Sal Stewart cards that have come out in all of
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: the flagship products and everything. We were kind of scraping
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: the barrel at the beginning of the season. So you've
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: got a lot more choices. Where'd you go this time around?
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I know we kind of denigrated Noah Cameron earlier
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: for his photogenic-ness. And Sal Stewart, I'm sorry, Sal. The
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: cards don't always do you justice. not the most photogenic guy.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: We did denigrate Sal Stewart for this back on the
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: April playoff.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: So we'll be consistent. I will be a little bit
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: more polite here and say that's part of the reason
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: I chose this card. Other part was this other conversation
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: that we were having. I went with the 2026 Bowman Chrome.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: It came to the league insert for Sal Stewart here
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: as a reminder that what we talked about earlier is
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: that it came to the league. It's some kind of
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: Interesting sea monster attacking him. Looks like a large octopus
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: that is grabbing the Bowman logo. It's wrapping around Sal
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Stewart as he's taking a big swing. It's just a goofy,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: funny card. And for a guy that most of his
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: cards just don't do him justice, it felt right to
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: give him kind of this goofy, silly card. So this
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: is $ 25 if you want to buy it on eBay today.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: Nothing too crazy. It is his rookie card. But it
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: is fun to kind of wrap up the conversation where
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: we talked about Bowman Chrome earlier with a fun Bowman
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: Chrome insert for It Came to the League. So that's
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: where I'm going with Sal Stewart. And I'm very, very
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: proud that we didn't completely denigrate him this time around.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he certainly, he looks better in this
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: than this photo than he did in some of our
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: choices back in April. But yeah, this is a great insert.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: I like it much better this year than it looked
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: last last year where it had more of like an
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: alien theme to it, that the cracking motif and the
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: design with the Island in the background, it just works
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: really well. I think with the parallel and being like
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: a borderless card, I think is a better way to
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: go when you're an insert like this, then the previous
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: versions of this had more of a border to it
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: and kind of felt more contained where this does feel
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit more wild. So great pick.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: Yep. All right. Finish this up.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Mr.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Stewart, where did you go? Yep.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: I went right back to 2026 Bowman Chrome with you
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: because it's exactly the card that we were talking about earlier,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: that you've got the red rookie variation short print card
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: with the red RC logo on it, which great color
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: match for Redsman. But you're probably going to want to
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: be turning these in because Sal Stewart, I hate to
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: break it to you, probably not going to the Hall
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: of Fame in the future. So no need to hold
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: out for that. But it's a nice little card of
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: him squared up. He's doing a bat flip after probably
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: popping a homer earlier this season or late last season
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: as he's about to round the bases. And then you're
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: looking at the most intriguing part of this card is
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: pretty much all of them on eBay right now are
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: listed at like $ 75, which, I mean, if you like
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: making pennies at a time, I think you could just
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: do a clean sweep of eBay at $ 75 pop. Well, plus...
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: shipping and taxes, you'll be looking probably more at like
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: 90 bucks all in. But if you're just want a
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks of redemption from fanatics, that's 10 free dollars.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: So you can go through eBay and I think scour
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: and pick these up, which is also kind of funny
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: because the market has not acted like this for the
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: other red RC logo variation cards that lots of the
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: other ones were beyond a hundred dollars or settled around
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: a hundred dollars. It's really strange that you've got a
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: guy that's in the driver's seat of the NL Rookie
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: of the Year that is going to make $ 100 in
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: the redemption of this card, and it's hovering around $ 70,
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: $ 75 right now on eBay, right?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of funny. I think there's just something
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: about Sal Stewart not being that exciting of a player.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: He just is a big bopper. He just goes up
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: and hits it out there. And I think for so long,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: folks thought J.J. Weatherholt was the guy– He had a
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: more all-around game. Until his injury, I think there was
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: still an argument for it. And so I think people
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: just still, for whatever reason, don't believe in it. But
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: you're right. Like, yeah, after some taxing and shipping, but
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: you still might be able to squeak out $ 20 of
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: Fanatics credit here. And if you're looking to buy some
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: future products, like, take the 20% discount and run with it. Like,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: it feels pretty gosh darn simple here. So good pick.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: Probably the first time we've ever had a red rookie
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: variation logo. that's actually going to pay off in the
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: PC or so.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So scoop them up if you, if you want, or,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, also if you want to make the PC edition,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: wait until after March of next year, when the bomb
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: is going to fall out of this card and people, uh,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: will be moving it because I don't think sells where
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: it's even going to double dip on that MVP either
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: when it's going to be a backup for redemption.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: So you, you might be honest with me though. Maybe
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: that's the time to buy these types of cards because,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: is after the rookie redemption, wait till like they have
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: a down season and they're out there for like five, seven,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: 10 bucks and just buy like 20 of them. And
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: cause if they win the MVP, they're 300 bucks a piece. Like, right.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: You know, it's, it's a, it's a low risk gamble.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: So maybe that's the play. Maybe I like where you're
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: going here.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe we found the new market and efficiencies on these
• 1:52:19
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• 1:52:22
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