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Papelbon talks Sox 1B fix, Soto’s Hustle, Alvarado’s PEDs + Trevor May’s ownership theory & Toddfather blasts checked swing challenge system · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: If you want to bring up a new guy, like
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  Speaker 1: bring him up in a position that he's.
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  Speaker 2: Already used to, it's a treat. We've got our boy
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  Speaker 2: Pap in the flesh, looking ready to go. Okay, obviously
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  Speaker 2: we hear from Pap a lot every week with Picks,
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  Speaker 2: but we've got we've got live Pap right now saying
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  Speaker 2: hello to FT nation those at the desk. We love
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing. Anyway, Pap, good to see you, dude,
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  Speaker 2: and I do want to get some business down first,
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  Speaker 2: because we actually haven't had you on since the Devers drama.
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  Speaker 2: I've been seeing what you've been tweeting about it and
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  Speaker 2: what you've said on nesson. But we have another chapter
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  Speaker 2: to the story here. It's Christian Campbell, the answer in
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  Speaker 2: your mind to the first base fix. No, no, he's.
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  Speaker 3: Not at all.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm gonna head up there tomorrow and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on the field. I'm gonna watch his
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  Speaker 1: footwork around the bag just because I want to see
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  Speaker 1: for myself. I've got the Baltimore series, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: see it like we. We struggled to get him to
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  Speaker 1: turn a double play early on in the season, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't play the infield. But to me,
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  Speaker 1: if you could play third, you could play first. If
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  Speaker 1: you could play second, you can play short, to to
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  Speaker 1: the to the most part, if you could play left field,
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  Speaker 1: you should be able to play right field.
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  Speaker 4: In my opinion, I don't know. You can ask Cratzy
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  Speaker 4: and the Todd Father about that, but.
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  Speaker 1: I just think that eventually, when it's all said and done,
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  Speaker 1: I think the best answer is Raffie Devers if Yoshida
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  Speaker 1: can get healthy again. But right now it's just they're
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  Speaker 1: I mean they had Toro, I mean I never heard
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  Speaker 1: of this Toro guy, I mean playing. But the whole
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  Speaker 1: problem is is you got somebody at first base that
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  Speaker 1: can't stay healthy, and when you can't be on the field,
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  Speaker 1: you can't produce.
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  Speaker 5: Should the superstar that Roffy Deverbs is, And maybe you
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  Speaker 5: don't agree, maybe he's not the superstar of the team,
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  Speaker 5: but should he make that move so the team can
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  Speaker 5: put the best lineup out there and hopefully he can
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  Speaker 5: like be serviceable. It's not like they had a gold
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  Speaker 5: glover at first already, so they're not going from way
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  Speaker 5: up here to way down here.
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  Speaker 3: But should he move to first for the team?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think so Kratz. I think that's why John
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  Speaker 1: Henry came into town. I think that's why Alex Coras
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  Speaker 1: talked with him a lot. I think there's been discussions
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  Speaker 1: about it. But here's the problem is, you're paying a
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  Speaker 1: guy three hundred million dollars who has a lot of pride,
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  Speaker 1: who doesn't want to all of a sudden go over
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  Speaker 1: there and start clanking the ball around the infield and
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  Speaker 1: look like a circus.
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  Speaker 4: We don't need that either.
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  Speaker 1: But to me, I just you know, I think that,
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  Speaker 1: to be totally honest with you, I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of oh, well, you wanted me to play third,
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  Speaker 1: didn't you get pregnant?
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  Speaker 4: You take me away from there? Oh wait, now you
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  Speaker 4: want me to d H.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Oh no, no, no, no, I ain't gonna DH.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's part of it too. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's you know, when we all play this game,
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  Speaker 1: there's ego involved, and when you your last day of
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  Speaker 1: playing the game, ego hits the door and you don't
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  Speaker 1: carry it with you anymore. But I mean, look, at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, we all these players have ego.
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  Speaker 4: I think the ego has a lot to do with
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  Speaker 4: this situation.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think it has to do with maybe Devers
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  Speaker 5: doesn't believe this team is actually good enough.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, wow, you know what, we're always just five hundred.
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  Speaker 5: Why would I go play first base, change my you know,
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  Speaker 5: change for this team who I don't think they're good enough.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no, Kratz, I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's not to that extent where he doesn't care, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: think the team's good. He's he's a team He's a
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  Speaker 1: team player. I mean, overall, this guy is a team
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  Speaker 1: player in my opinion. It's just the fact that when
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  Speaker 1: you're sitting here having a scramble, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: for position, I think that he's gotten used to DH.
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  Speaker 1: So that says a lot like it's like, well, man,
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  Speaker 1: I just now got used to DH. I might have
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  Speaker 1: showed up spring training not ready, which I think he
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  Speaker 1: showed up to spring training and he wasn't ready.
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  Speaker 4: I mean we were missing.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety two miles an hour right down the pipe for
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  Speaker 1: the first you know, two weeks of the season. But
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  Speaker 1: I think it's also adjustment into you know, him now
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  Speaker 1: becoming familiar with the DH rule.
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  Speaker 2: All right, one more for you on this one and
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  Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, Devers is raking. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to switch that up at all right now. They really
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  Speaker 2: need the impact bat that he's bringing to the table.
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  Speaker 2: Where's Alex Korra in all of this? Do you think
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  Speaker 2: that he has a strong relationship with Devers? Do you
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  Speaker 2: think that he genuinely disagrees with the front office and
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  Speaker 2: doesn't want Raffi out there playing first for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 2: including the fact that Devers is not being a good
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  Speaker 2: defender in the past few years in Major League Baseball? Like,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think's inside the head of Alex Korra
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  Speaker 2: with all of this, Well.
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  Speaker 4: I think they're all scrambling. I mean, that's that's that's
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  Speaker 4: what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, when when you have to start making all
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  Speaker 1: these adjustments and start moving people out of position, and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you're starting second basement from
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  Speaker 1: opening day, you're having to put him at first and
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  Speaker 1: start taking reps at first. Durned Battie practice. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that's why John Henry flew in town,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's some some things that need to be answered,
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  Speaker 1: and are the guys that are coming up in Rome
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  Speaker 1: and Anthony and Marcelo Meyer are Are they ready? Like
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  Speaker 1: to me, they're ready. And if you want to bring
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  Speaker 1: up a new guy, like bring him up in a
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  Speaker 1: position that he's already used to. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it's tough. They're scrambling right now. I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 6: Let me ask you this. I'm switching gears here a
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  Speaker 6: little bit to the to the Yankees. Devin Williams, big
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  Speaker 6: time closer, all of a sudden struggles a little bit, well,
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  Speaker 6: struggles a lot, gets sent down not to close the role.
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  Speaker 6: Now he's kind of like the seventh eighth inning guy.
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  Speaker 2: Have you won?
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  Speaker 6: Have you ever been in that situation before? And two
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  Speaker 6: if you haven't, you know what's the mindset of a closer?
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  Speaker 7: Now?
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  Speaker 6: All of a sudden he's not that top guy anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Todd, I'm gonna tell you right now, for a closer,
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  Speaker 1: the mindset is everything.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, you can. You could have one.
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  Speaker 1: Hundred and two and one hundred and three miles an
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  Speaker 1: hour like Eradis Chapman. But if your mind ain't there,
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  Speaker 1: and you're not focused on on the present and not
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  Speaker 1: worried about the blown save yesterday or who you got coming.
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  Speaker 7: Up next, it's it's it's it's to me, it's it's
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  Speaker 7: all about your mindset to be a good closer, and
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  Speaker 7: you know when.
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  Speaker 1: You come into those situations. For me, it was always
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  Speaker 1: one pitch at a time and one hitter at a time.
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  Speaker 1: And so you know, I think today's closer is changed too.
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  Speaker 4: And we all know this. It's it's not the same role.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's a leverage role now. So that makes it tough.
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  Speaker 1: Man, when guys in the bullpin can go walk out
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  Speaker 1: to the bullpen and they don't know what anying they're
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  Speaker 1: going to pitch in. It makes it tough to prepare,
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  Speaker 1: it really does.
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  Speaker 3: Pat You shook your head.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, when were you ever in this You never lost
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  Speaker 5: your closer position?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did, Mart Mulanson in Washington when I was
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  Speaker 1: with Washington's last year in my career.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And what transition is that? What transition is that in
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  Speaker 5: the sense of do are you resigned to the fact
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  Speaker 5: that the shark is going to be the one closing
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  Speaker 5: and you're like, Okay, we'll just get my eighth inning
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  Speaker 5: because I'm here for the boys, or are you like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, I still want to stroll out in
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  Speaker 5: the sixth get my massage during the game and then
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  Speaker 5: win my closer rollback.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think that you always want to try to
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  Speaker 1: win their closers roll back, but you got to make
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  Speaker 1: that adjustment. Man like Devin Williams is making adjustments probably
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  Speaker 1: on the daily, and you know it's it's probably it's
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  Speaker 1: probably really hard for him right now and that that's
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  Speaker 1: the struggles. But if he can get more confidence and
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  Speaker 1: more reps in the eighth inning, and that's what he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be pitching, I guarantee he's gonna be more successful.
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  Speaker 1: If he bounces around, it's gonna be a whole lot harder.
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  Speaker 6: I want to talk a little bit about Juan Soto.
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  Speaker 6: We've had these conversations with Ken with us before we
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  Speaker 6: had Ken on. It just looks like, you know, they
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  Speaker 6: talk about he didn't run out a couple balls the
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  Speaker 6: other day. We get it, and you've seen guys do
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  Speaker 6: it firsthand, and you've actually called guys out for it.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not specifically trying to say, you know what you
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  Speaker 6: would do in that situation. But what are you seeing
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  Speaker 6: from one Soto right now? His numbers are a little
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  Speaker 6: bit down. It looks like, you know, and you've never
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  Speaker 6: been in it before, but that New York rivalry, it's
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  Speaker 6: a different ballgame. The fans are turning their backs on you,
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  Speaker 6: they're you know, flipping you the bird then any anything
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  Speaker 6: they're saying. It's hurtful at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 6: But what do you think is going on in his mindset?
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  Speaker 6: And are you seeing an anything from him?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, first off, he's a consummate pro and
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  Speaker 1: I get not running out everybody. You cannot physically run
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  Speaker 1: out every single ball.
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  Speaker 4: I get that throughout the course of the season.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what, Todd, you can run or you
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  Speaker 1: can hustle in a way where you're still not going
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent, right like you, there's giving up and
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  Speaker 1: there's you know, making emotions. But yeah, you know, look,
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee you this probably won't happen very often, but.
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  Speaker 4: You don't like to see it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's and as a guy who's making seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: million dollars, like I was watching Ken, and I agree
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  Speaker 1: with Ken earlier saying when you signed those types of contracts,
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  Speaker 1: you don't just sign to go out and play baseball.
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  Speaker 1: You signed to do press conferences after the game. You
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  Speaker 1: signed there to make All Star games. You signed to
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  Speaker 1: be a leader. You signed there for that amount of
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  Speaker 1: money to show the rest of the team how to play.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, like I said, I don't think this
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  Speaker 4: is this is just a whoops.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, in my case, when I was playing
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  Speaker 1: and I had my dust up, you know, there was
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  Speaker 1: team meetings that were happening about how we're gonna play,
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  Speaker 1: and the hustle needed.
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  Speaker 9: To increase, and the way we ran out balls needed
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  Speaker 9: to change, and so we had a players only meeting,
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  Speaker 9: and you know, until that happens, I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 9: think there's nothing serious.
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  Speaker 3: Really.
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  Speaker 5: All right, let's go to another closer. Since we have
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  Speaker 5: the Phillies all time saves leader on here, let's go
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: to Jose Alvarado. When is your first what's your first
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  Speaker 5: reaction when a dude gets popped for steroids?
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  Speaker 3: Nowadays in the big leagues.
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  Speaker 1: You idiot, really, like I mean you know, I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: we'd all love to do do performance enhancing drugs. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: it makes the season a whole lot easier. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who wouldn't. But at the end of the day, like
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  Speaker 1: this is what you sign up for. You know exactly
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  Speaker 1: what you're being tested for. You know exactly when the
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  Speaker 1: test are. There's no skirting them, and you know at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, like you got nobody to
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  Speaker 1: blame but yourself for this, and not only that, like
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  Speaker 1: you let down your team. I'm sorry, man, like that
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  Speaker 1: that's a selfish it's a selfish act.
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  Speaker 4: But I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Like people are on paper drives and like why not,
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  Speaker 1: Like if it pays for.
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  Speaker 4: You to make a bunch of money, why not do it?
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  Speaker 1: And it's a walk here or something like that, Like
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  Speaker 1: I know it's still in our game. I know peds
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  Speaker 1: are still in our game. They're just not out completely.
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  Speaker 1: But it's sad to see and will never get him
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  Speaker 1: completely out. But you know, he let his team down. Man,
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  Speaker 1: it was a selfish act in my opinion.
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  Speaker 5: How do you look at him as a teammate when
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  Speaker 5: he comes back because he can't play in the playoffs?
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, hopefully he apologizes to his team, say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I've had this happen too.
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  Speaker 4: You know, players do stupid things. We all have. I've
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  Speaker 4: apologized to the entire franchise before, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, at the end of the day, is
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  Speaker 1: his apology serious? Does he want to make better and
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  Speaker 1: does he want to be a part of the team,
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  Speaker 1: and how bad does he want to be back on
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  Speaker 1: this team?
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  Speaker 4: Is what twenty five other guys in that clubhouse have
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  Speaker 4: to figure out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Pap, I don't know if you saw the
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  Speaker 2: specifics on this one, but you know they tried to
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  Speaker 2: talk about how they were working on on weight loss.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: Here with testosterone TRT, we always hear something right, it's ringworm,
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  Speaker 2: it's weight loss, whatever. And as we talked about a
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  Speaker 2: lot this week, you guys, as players, get all the
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: resources you need. The team is there to tell you
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  Speaker 2: what you can and can have. You can call someone
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  Speaker 2: at any time and they will help you out on
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  Speaker 2: a team by team basis. They all have that set up.
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  Speaker 2: So here's my question for you. When a let's say teammate,
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  Speaker 2: let's say here's your teammate comes up with that, what
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  Speaker 2: is the response, Because you said you want an honest apology,
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  Speaker 2: Most of the time we do, I would say, at
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  Speaker 2: least half the time we get stories like this, So
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  Speaker 2: how does that get received by teammates with teammates rather
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: just hear you say, hey, you're an idiot, you messed up,
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  Speaker 2: but you took this you know you shouldn't have, or
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  Speaker 2: do you want to hear you know, this elaborate thing
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  Speaker 2: on how this is the only way I guess for
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  Speaker 2: him to lose weight.
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't want to hear any of it.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to see what he does after he
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  Speaker 1: meets back with a team, even apologizes, and.
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  Speaker 4: What he does to move forward.
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  Speaker 1: What he does to move forward would tell you everything
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: about how he feels about the situation.
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  Speaker 4: But it just blows my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Man. It's just like like you know, as a player,
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  Speaker 1: like like if I'm sticking a needle in my ass,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm probably not, like this is probably illegal, Like
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  Speaker 1: there's no like, oh I didn't know, or I was
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  Speaker 1: trying to lose weight, Like, I hate that when players
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  Speaker 1: try to come up with excuses, man like, don't don't,
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  Speaker 1: don't try to muddy the waters man.
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  Speaker 2: its final stopping point, then it is judged a swing.
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  Speaker 2: If it moves less than forty five degrees, no swing.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Not clear though, which way the call would go. If
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: the barrel lands at exactly forty five degrees, I say,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: TI goos to the runner, TI goes to the hitter.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: But anyway, what do you think about this?
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: No?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Why ridiculous? You probably argued how many check swings in
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: your life?
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: This is ridiculous?
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Man, What are we doing?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: You don't want to challenge your check swing?
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: Oh my god, this is so ridiculous. There's a lot
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: more words I could say. This is just this is dumb.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: Why why are we trying to change the game so much?
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: The balls and strikes are great, you know, you get
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: the challenge system there. This is really they're just trying
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: too much. I really don't like this all I love
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: human element. This takes it out the umpire.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: First.
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: You know, we used to have guys, you know, they
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: might to go a bang safe, like guys used to
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: make really cool calls at first, like I this is
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: where you have the baseball talk. The next day you
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: see that he didn't go, you know you went, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: then you're gonna say he won forty six degrees fahrenheit.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, come on, dude, what are we doing here?
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: It was Celsius. This is ridiculous, ridiculous. Please know that's it.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Please. I want to see it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: I want to see it named the Todd Father, the
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: Todd Father Challenge, the check swing, the Todd check swingness
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: ash Man. I just feel like one thing that Ken
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: always says when we talk about the challenge system, we
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: talk about abs technology being introduced into the game. One
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: are the unintended consequences? Is there going to be a
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: way that people can manipulate it that. Oh, it really
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: screws this guy because he's farther up in the box.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: It's a cool looking it's a cool looking piece of technology.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: But what if what if what you know right there,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: what if the guy squares to bunt and he's always
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: keeping it past there?
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Did he offer at it? Now? Are we going to
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: override that?
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Because uh, well, the system doesn't know how to read that,
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: So no bunts are challengeable. There's there's a lot of
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: things that need to be worked out that it'll be
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: it'll be interesting to see. You know what if you
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: put your bat to if you get your bat to
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: the plate, the ball can go over the infield. Like
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: to me, that's that's a swing. If you turn and
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: the ball's coming in at you and you get out
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: of the way like this, that ball could cross your
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: bat could cross the line.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Huh well, hey, we got to use the challenge system.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: See what it says, Yeah, that's a strike. If you
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: were swinging your bat and you were getting out of
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the way. What if they gave you each team one
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: per game. It's like ninth inning playoffs, huge moment moment
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: of your career, and you got worked on a check
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: swing and you know you were right. You don't want that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: You don't want one in your pocket.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't mind that. But if they're going by.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: This, I'm just saying, like, where can I I want
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: to get to the negotiating table with Todd Father. Okay,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I know you're not a fan. I'm not even saying
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan. I'm just trying to present the other side.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Can I talk you into one that one moment in
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: a game? You'll give me one and you're okay with it? Okay? Krats?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Can I talk you into one? If they get the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: tech down? Can I talk you into one?
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Okay? So what are we? What are we? What are
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: we worried about? You think they're going to give you ten?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: They're not going to give you ten. What are you
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: worried about?
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: They're gonna give you more than one?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I know that they're not going to give you more.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And three.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, but they'll give you three. They'll start with three.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I guess what do we think that they'll do? My
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: guess is if this ever comes to fruition two, I just.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: Think takes more of the human element out of it,
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: and umpires are gonna be scarce here. Pretty soon, there's
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: gonna be no umpires. There's gonna be one umpire and
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: he's gonna just stand behind the picture or something just
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: right there. You want to check it, okay.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: But with all due respect, it's gonna be ridiculous. I'm
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: not really worried about the umps, like their job is
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: to be invisible.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: But I like umpires making bad calls sometimes what I
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: do like, that's part of it. Missing Missing a call
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: is part of baseball. It's part of any sport.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: You like, getting a little heated and saying, this guy's
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: that you're BROWNI he has no idea what he's looking
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: at tonight.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: Make argument. I mean, that's listen to fence and boo.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: You should have you know, you see it in travel
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: all the time. Parents the other day screaming, This lady
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: was screaming her head off because the umpire switched the
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: call from out to safe. Absolutely screaming, bloody murder.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: The run shutting accounted.
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: Screaming like she was at Yankee Stadium and I'm sitting
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: there at third base.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is going on right now? But we're
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: still going to get that even with the challenge system
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: next year, with balls and strikes, you're going to have
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: more fan engagement on that part of the game than
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you've ever seen because the fans inside the ballpark, we'll
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: get to yell and comment on if you should challenge
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: that one or not right. It actually will put some
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: fans in place. How many times are you at a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: game where the fans are like, come on, and you're like, dude,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: that guy dialed it into the bottom left corner of
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the zone or whatever, right he found the quadrant and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: fans are like, this sucks. And now it'd be like,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: all right, yeah you feel that way. Let's see if
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: your manager challenges, oh he did it because he knows
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: it wasn't a strike. Oh he did, and you're wrong,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: and the UMP's right, and maybe the ump can get
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: back on the ump mic and say told you, why.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: Don't they change a guy who swings the ball, fouls
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: it off and the catchers go off where the cutchers know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: why can't you review that? That's a really big call
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: in baseball, Kratzy, would you agree? Why can't you challenge that?
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: I would agree? And they are there there.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: That's my biggest issue with all of this is they're
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: picking and choosing yea, the ones. If we're gonna if
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: we're gonna review things, let's review to make sure we
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: get all the calls right. You can't challenge a fair
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: ball in in front of the third and first base umpires.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: You can't challenge a foul tip into the mid when
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: we have the access to the video, Like, let's just
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: get it right.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Other sports, they go.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Back, They go back and disallow a basket after the
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: other team has scored a basket, or they or they
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: take a point off because it was a two pointer
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: because his foot was on the line. They don't stop
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: the game, they don't stop the pace of play. They
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: can go back and change it. Like there's there's a
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: lot going on. There's outside factors too that kind of
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: go into this.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want it right.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: I would like it right too, but not in the
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: discretion where all of a sudden would become so robotic
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: and computerize it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: It's just like here we go again. That's all I
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: want to get to the point, Kratz where I can
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: go into the seats, I can press a button and
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: it's I can decide if Todd Father swings or not.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: So like I got to forget the Limb technology. I
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: got the Limb like hookup where he's like this and
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I can decide. You know, I'm a video game and
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Todd fathers an AI bot. Now I'm kidding, but I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: don't know. We'll see what happens. Baby steps a ball
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: after AFL.
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: Bit of an exposee on the Pirates, trying to understand
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: what the hell well they're doing over there and why
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: they can't win, and we came out basically, at the
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: end of the day, it's Bob Nutting's fault. It's their
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: owner's fault. It's the way that he operates, the way
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: he operates his businesses that are the main culprit.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Which got me thinking, hmm, can we talk about other owners?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Which got me thinking even more?
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: And I have a couple theories, so let's get into
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: them right now. Theory number one, you can predict your
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: team's future success based on how its current owner made
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: their money. Now, just give you a little context on this.
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: I wanted to look at because Bob Nutting is in
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: newspapers and he buys local newspapers. His family has been
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: doing this for over one hundred years. And what they
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: do is they get them profitable and then they just
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: let him sit and that got me thinking, Oh, he
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: just likes passive income. So of course he runs his
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: baseball team that way, which is terrible to run a
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: baseball team, you're never gonna be competitive, which they're not. Ever,
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: every once in a while, a person like that will
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: just run into like run into i don't know, like
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: a three year stretch where you have the MVP in
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: the league and you make the playoff three years in
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: a row and then never be good again. That's what
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: happened to him.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I want to watch the rest of that. It premiered
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: earlier today on the FT Channel, so you can check
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: out May Day with Trevor May. Just just riffing, riffing
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: for hours. But that's some good stuff right there, you know.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I want to hear Trevor May's theories on owners and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: how their real life translates to their baseball life, running
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: their favorite toy or for some their favorite cash machine
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: that's fun, or.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Or the fact that the Dodgers play the long game
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: and know that success over the long term works. With Googenheim,
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying I'm not giving you. I don't have
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: the inside info from Mace planning. You need to watch
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: it though, like it is genius. It is genius. Some
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: of the guys who are like kind of playboy owners
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: where it's like, hey, you know, I'm just kind of
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: playing my money.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Lazi is just play money.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: They might make some dumb decisions, but you know what,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: it might hit a jackpot here or there.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I like the way you phrase that. Are you a
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: hedge fund or private equity person, Well then you might
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: be looking at this a little bit differently from others
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and say, if I can create a behemoth, or if
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I can resurrect a powerhouse like Guggenheim did with the Dodgers,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: because remember before they took over the Dodgers, it was
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: your used car salesman type. I don't know what his
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: last job was, but it felt that way with Frank McCourt,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: who actually still owns the parking lot. So my reference
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: is kind of relevant. Big difference in how those people
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: came about. So that was good stuff or right.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: There, or if they got it or or if they
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: bequeathed Now what's the word I'm looking for? They got it,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: A got sent down to them just like one of
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: those used cars, Like if Daddy had the team and
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: then oh okay, well I'll just get all my money from.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: My parents and eh, whatever. We'll see what happens here.