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Google Hangout - Music and Arts - The Potter’s House of Dallas · THE WORLD'S BEST PREACHER

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the music and fan art edition of today's
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Speaker 1: Google Hangout. We want to welcome you here today. We're very,
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Speaker 1: very excited to have an opportunity to allow you to
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Speaker 1: listen in on a very powerful and profound conversation. We're
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Speaker 1: getting ready for our Pastors in Leadership Conference. It's going
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Speaker 1: to be April 25th through the 27th, and these are
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Speaker 1: some of our esteemed panelists, and we're going to be
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Speaker 1: talking to them today. Not shown here is John Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: who's going to be joining us in my wife, Sarita Jakes, Dr.
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Speaker 1: Steve Perry, Alvin Brown, Dr. Walter Scott, Pastor John Jenkins,
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Speaker 1: Bishop Joby Brady, and this on and on and on.
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Speaker 2: It's absolutely incredible. We're excited about it.
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Speaker 1: But today, today, today, we have a unique opportunity, not
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Speaker 1: just to talk to the preachers, but to talk to
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Speaker 1: some of those who undergird ministry and who understand music
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Speaker 1: and fine arts and their significance in a contemporary church today.
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Speaker 1: Joining us is Rodney Jerkins, Dexter Jakes, Marcus Dawson, and
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Speaker 1: also Mickey Castello is joining us as well. And we're
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Speaker 1: going to have a.
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Speaker 2: Very provocative conversation.
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Speaker 1: I want to welcome each and every one of you
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Speaker 1: to this Google chat.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 4: Glad to be here.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: You know, when we start talking about music and fine arts,
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Speaker 1: and today, Mickey, there is a very profound opportunity, not
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Speaker 1: just for preachers and for singers, but for people who
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Speaker 1: really want to study and understand dance. and to worship
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Speaker 1: God in a dance. Tell us how you got started
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Speaker 1: in that pursuit.
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Speaker 3: Bishop, I've been teaching dance now for about 25 years,
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Speaker 3: and the last 10 years have absolutely blown my mind
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Speaker 3: of how dance has evolved in television and just really
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Speaker 3: come into the forefront of all these reality shows concerning dance.
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Speaker 3: But 25 years ago, that wasn't the case. Dance was
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Speaker 3: not heard of in church. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 3: I heard it preached against back in the 80s that
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Speaker 3: if you danced in church, it was wrong. But God
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Speaker 3: has really used that gift as an instrument to preach
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Speaker 3: the gospel in creative ways. And we have to stay current.
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Speaker 3: We have to stay fresh and evolve as the times
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Speaker 3: are evolving in dance.
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Speaker 1: As a choreographer, you have put together many dance presentations
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Speaker 1: for us that help to glorify God.
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Speaker 2: How hard is it to bring about that unity?
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Speaker 1: And what I really like is that you use all
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Speaker 1: modalities of dance to project the gospel. Talk about some
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Speaker 1: of those modalities and how you bring that choreography together.
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Speaker 3: OK, I think we have to be really careful that
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Speaker 3: when we do take the platform and whatever area our
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Speaker 3: gift is not to be boring in what we do,
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Speaker 3: not to present the same type of movements, just a
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Speaker 3: different song or the same type of movements, just a
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Speaker 3: different garment. we have to go beyond what we are
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Speaker 3: comfortable with. And we have to be willing to stretch
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Speaker 3: ourselves and to become educated in dance and take dance classes,
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Speaker 3: get some dance training, bring instructors to you that can
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Speaker 3: teach you what you want to present. And I think
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Speaker 3: we've done just that here. We really strive not to
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Speaker 3: be in a box anymore. I don't wanna just stay lyrical.
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Speaker 3: I wanna stay modern. I wanna stay contemporary. I wanna
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Speaker 3: be African. I wanna be hip hop. I wanna be
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Speaker 3: everything that maybe pushes me out of my comfort zone.
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Speaker 4: And we bring.
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Speaker 3: Those instructors here to teach us with excellent skill and precision.
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Speaker 3: And we we study that training for weeks and weeks
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Speaker 3: and weeks before we actually began to put choreography with it.
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Speaker 3: So we actually know the difference in what is ballet
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Speaker 3: versus what is modern. What is hip hop versus what
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Speaker 3: a step is. And there is a difference. And when
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Speaker 3: we present it, we have to sit in it. We
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Speaker 3: have to meditate upon the song and understand what is
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Speaker 3: this verse saying? A lot of times dancers will get
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Speaker 3: stuck just moving their arms and not really realize that
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Speaker 3: we can make that more effective if we bring forth
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Speaker 3: creative garments, creative makeup. fabrics to just ripple and flow
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Speaker 3: across the platform to really express how the blood flowed
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Speaker 3: down and changed our lives. So we bring the crimson
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Speaker 3: red fabrics out and actually make it visual, a visual
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Speaker 3: presentation so that people understand what we're saying. And we're
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Speaker 3: not just standing in one spot moving.
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Speaker 2: That's the powerful thing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, our church has certainly reaped the benefit from
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Speaker 1: your tutelage, but also people from around the country come
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Speaker 1: to your workshops and sessions so that they can carry
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Speaker 1: it back to their church as well.
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Speaker 2: Rodney, we're excited to have you here today. What can
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Speaker 2: I say about you?
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Speaker 1: You produce for everybody from Michael Jackson to Whitney Houston
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Speaker 1: to Justin Bieber, Britney Spears, Mary Galanda Adams, and you're
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Speaker 1: a PK, so you understand all the various facets of music.
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Speaker 4: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I'm glad to be here, and
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Speaker 4: I'm glad to lend.
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Speaker 5: Some of my know-how, my ability to help others you know,
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Speaker 5: with reaching their goals.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you start looking back at your career,
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Speaker 1: your illustrious career, and having sold over 150 million records, very,
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Speaker 1: very successful and highly sought after, for you to come
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Speaker 1: in and teach a workshop, where do you see gospel
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Speaker 1: artists and gospel production going? And what do you think
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Speaker 1: that some of the producers are missing and artists are
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Speaker 1: missing that could enhance their ability to project even to
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Speaker 1: a mainstream audience?
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Speaker 4: You know, and it's funny you mention that.
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Speaker 5: We have to be able to recognize the excellence in
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Speaker 5: our gift. I think in the gospel industry too much,
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Speaker 5: what happens is the artists, the producers and the songwriters,
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Speaker 5: they're not honing in on the actual sonics. And the
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Speaker 5: sonics is one of the most important things. It's the
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Speaker 5: difference in even radio. When you listen to certain songs
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Speaker 5: on radio, if the music doesn't have a certain clarity,
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Speaker 5: a certain precision in its clarity, then it begins to
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Speaker 5: sound mediocre. So what we have to push for is
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Speaker 5: that excellence, and we ought.
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Speaker 4: To raise that bar, even in the sonics, and then melodically.
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Speaker 5: I think right now there's something going on right now
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Speaker 5: where gospel music is on the verge to becoming more mainstream,
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Speaker 5: but we have to take it serious and present it
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Speaker 5: on a certain level Just like in the movie industry,
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Speaker 5: when you make certain.
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Speaker 4: Movies, it has to have certain type of actors.
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Speaker 5: And actresses to help make it become such a great product.
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Speaker 4: And we have to take that same seriousness even when
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Speaker 4: we're making music. It's the same. To get that result,
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Speaker 4: we have to take it real serious.
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Speaker 1: You know, there are people who have given so many
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Speaker 1: years of their life to preparation and training. My own
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Speaker 1: son is joining us, Dexter Jakes. who chose to go
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Speaker 1: to a music school that really focused even as far
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Speaker 1: back as high school. Dexter, talk a little bit about
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Speaker 1: what your aspirations are and what you think as a
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Speaker 1: younger person, 18 years old, about music and what it
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Speaker 1: means to you as an individual.
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Speaker 6: Well, I'll start off really with what music really means
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Speaker 6: to me because it's what's going to drive me the most.
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Speaker 6: My overall love for music is what drives me right now.
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Speaker 6: Right now, I produce music and I play piano and
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Speaker 6: I'm using my piano gift to help me with production. Overall,
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Speaker 6: music is just a way for me to express myself.
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Speaker 6: And I believe art is just like that. It's just
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Speaker 6: a way for you to express yourself. And I choose
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Speaker 6: to do that through my music. And when other people
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Speaker 6: are impacted by it, it's just a plus by it.
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Speaker 6: You know, I just do it because I love it. Rodney,
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Speaker 6: you just met the president of your fan club.
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Speaker 5: I can't wait to meet him personally in person because
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Speaker 5: I'm sure he has a great gift and I could
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Speaker 5: probably help him even take that gift to another level.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's what's really great. Nobody, no matter how
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Speaker 1: gifted or talented you are, can be your best without
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Speaker 1: somebody mentoring you. I mean, Tiger Woods had a coach.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who you are. To take the time
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Speaker 1: and invest in your gift so that you can be
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Speaker 1: the best that you can be is very, very important.
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Speaker 1: Marcus Dawson is joining us. He's been involved in production.
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Speaker 1: He also is a PK. There's a lot of PKs
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Speaker 1: with us today. He's worked in our music department, creative
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Speaker 1: arts department for nearly 25 years. Well, Marcus, what do
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Speaker 1: you think about the trends in music today and how
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Speaker 1: much artists and worship leaders and recording artists need to
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Speaker 1: take time from just taking gigs, so to speak, really
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Speaker 1: to find out about the business and the art and
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Speaker 1: the importance of music?
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Speaker 7: I think it speaks to being able to see or
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Speaker 7: at least anticipate what you want as it relates to
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Speaker 7: your career ending. And when you talk about the business
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Speaker 7: of it, a lot of times artists, They spend so
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Speaker 7: much time on the road, so much time running around
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Speaker 7: that they don't take time to to look at copyright,
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Speaker 7: to look at publishing, you know, to look at the
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Speaker 7: administrative areas that also you're responsible for when you have
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Speaker 7: a gift. And it speaks to stewardship. And that's something
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Speaker 7: that I'm excited about, because we'll cover that in detail
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Speaker 7: at the pastors and leaders conference this year. I mean,
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Speaker 7: we've got Rodney that will be talking about production. We'll
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Speaker 7: cover everything from from publishing the contracts.
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Speaker 2: You know, what is a good contract?
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Speaker 7: You know, Should you self-publish at this point or should
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Speaker 7: you connect with another publishing company to help take your
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Speaker 7: work even further?
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Speaker 2: So I'm so I'm excited, sir.
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Speaker 7: But I think to answer your question, you have to
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Speaker 7: really look at your gift and look down the road
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Speaker 7: to see where you want that to end up. And
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Speaker 7: you have to take those proper steps. I'm an administrative person.
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Speaker 7: I love the paperwork.
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Speaker 2: I play.
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Speaker 7: I've played for you for many years playing the organ.
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Speaker 7: But I love the administrative side of the business. And
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Speaker 7: so I'm excited about sharing that.
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Speaker 1: You know, in case you're just joining us, you have
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Speaker 1: joined into the Music and Fine Arts edition of today's
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Speaker 1: Google Chat. We're prepping for our Pastors in Leadership Conference
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Speaker 1: April 25th through the 27th. If you want to find
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Speaker 1: out more about it, you can go to our website.
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Speaker 1: to our website, pastorsandleaders.org, or you can dial 1-800-BISHOP2 and register.
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Speaker 1: This is not just for pastors. But this is for artists.
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Speaker 1: This is for singers. This is for worship leaders. It's
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Speaker 1: for people involved in dance, people involved in social media,
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Speaker 1: data management, accounting, all areas. We're going to do with
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Speaker 1: all facets of the infrastructure of what it takes to
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Speaker 1: be effective today. Rodney, there are so many people that
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Speaker 1: have aspirations, but they can't get it off the ground.
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Speaker 2: Every time I turn around on my Twitter page, somebody's.
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Speaker 1: Sending me a link to something that they're producing and
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Speaker 1: they can't get it off the ground. whether they are
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Speaker 1: combining music to videos, music videos, soundtracks for movies, or
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Speaker 1: whether they're just writing worship songs. It seems like in
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Speaker 1: the social media age, it ought to be easier to
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Speaker 1: get things off the ground than it used to be.
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Speaker 1: How much has social media affected the process of music
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Speaker 1: and what do they need to understand in order to
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Speaker 1: take it to the next level?
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Speaker 5: You know, when I was 16 years old and first
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Speaker 5: getting started, I had to catch a bus two and
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Speaker 5: a half hours from South Jersey to New York only
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Speaker 5: to stand outside of office buildings giving executives my music,
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Speaker 5: only to see even executives look at the CD or
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Speaker 5: the tape or whatever and throw it in the garbage can.
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Speaker 5: It's very hard. It's a small industry. But because of
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Speaker 5: social media, social media, the Internet has become the new
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Speaker 5: A & R. It has become the way we can
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Speaker 5: get our music out there, drive, really push ourselves with
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Speaker 5: YouTube and Twitter and Facebook and all these different, you know,
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Speaker 5: these different social networks, you can actually put the music
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Speaker 5: out yourself. And what's interesting is that you can get
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Speaker 5: discovered much quickly this way because people like myself and
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Speaker 5: people that work for me, we're online all the time
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Speaker 5: trying to discover new talent and it's really the new
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Speaker 5: A & R. So I'm all for social networking and
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Speaker 5: the social media aspect of trying to get yourself out there.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's really, really important that you do get
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Speaker 1: that exposure and get those opportunities to get your voice
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Speaker 1: out there and get it heard correctly and then produce
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Speaker 1: the kind of project that when it is heard, it
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Speaker 1: leaves a very positive impression. Sometimes people are disseminating music
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Speaker 1: that doesn't really rise to the quality that is necessary
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Speaker 1: to be respected on the level that they want to
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Speaker 1: be respected on. That's why I believe that God gives
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Speaker 1: you a gift, but what you do with that gift
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Speaker 1: is your gift back to God.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: When you get those opportunities then to refine your skills
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Speaker 1: and increase your ability, I think it really takes it
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Speaker 1: to the next level. I also want you all to
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Speaker 1: be comfortable enough, if you have a question that you
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Speaker 1: want to ask Rodney or you want to direct to
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Speaker 1: Marcus or Dexter or anybody, just jump right in and
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Speaker 1: chime in.
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Speaker 2: On this process.
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Speaker 1: Marcus, you and I were talking the other day about
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Speaker 1: one of the unique things that we do at the
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Speaker 1: Potter Shots that we're going to be teaching on is
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Speaker 1: bundling gifts.
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Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit about that? Absolutely, sir.
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Speaker 7: I think, as we were talking the other day, we
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Speaker 7: were just talking about the opportunities that we have in worship.
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Speaker 7: And I think we are, in this day and age,
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Speaker 7: it used to be very simple where the worship experience
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Speaker 7: could be very traditional and you could get away with it.
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Speaker 2: But now it has to be engaging.
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Speaker 7: You know, we have to work constantly to enhance that
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Speaker 7: experience to make sure.
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Speaker 2: That we're cutting edge. You know, to be quite frank, with.
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Speaker 7: The internet and with, as Rodney was talking about YouTube
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Speaker 7: and Twitter and all of these different models, I mean,
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Speaker 7: people have too many options now. So when they walk
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Speaker 7: into your house of worship, it needs to be so
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Speaker 7: engaging that they feel like they've.
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Speaker 2: Had a holistic experience.
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Speaker 7: And so as you talk about bundling, we were just
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Speaker 7: talking about how a lot of what we do here
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Speaker 7: at the Potter's House starts with a conversation between you
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Speaker 7: and I. It'll start off with just an idea that
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Speaker 7: you may have. In particular, we are right at Easter now.
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Speaker 7: And I remember a few years ago, you gave me
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Speaker 7: an idea about doing something with Joseph, telling the story
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Speaker 7: from Joseph's perspective. Well, we had the conversation.
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Speaker 2: I came back. I talked to Mickey. I talked to Jamar.
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Speaker 7: I talked to everybody that works in different departments from
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Speaker 7: our technical people, from our sound guys, from our lighting
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Speaker 7: guys and from all of our writers. And we came
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Speaker 7: together to figure out how we could tell that message
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Speaker 7: corporately as opposed to individually, where instead of Mickey doing
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Speaker 7: a dance for Easter, independent of Jamar and the praise team,
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Speaker 7: we brought those things together. So bundling is important. I
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Speaker 7: think we're able to have a much greater impact when
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Speaker 7: we work together.
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Speaker 1: So what you're talking about is worship leaders, choir directors, everybody, television, lighting, sound.
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Speaker 2: Directors, absolutely. Everybody. You've got the band, you've got the
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Speaker 2: praise team, you've got script writers.
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Speaker 7: We've gone as far as to use painters inside of
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Speaker 7: worship where we had a guy come in and do
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Speaker 7: a speed painting in the middle of a worship set.
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Speaker 7: You know, the canvas comes down from the ceiling. He
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Speaker 7: paints in the middle of a song. He's got a
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Speaker 7: minute and 15 seconds to make that painting happen. At
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Speaker 7: the end of that moment, the praise team comes in.
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Speaker 7: And so we're able to tell in 10 minutes, collectively
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Speaker 7: what it would take us to tell, you know, maybe
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Speaker 7: two or three hours if everybody worked individually. So bundling
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Speaker 7: is very important as it relates to having an effective
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Speaker 7: worship service.
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Speaker 2: Incidentally, Mickey looks like she's about to jump in.
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Speaker 1: If you want to get a sample of some of
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Speaker 1: this great work that we do when we launch our projects,
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Speaker 1: you can go to tdjakes.org and download a sample of
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Speaker 1: some of our Easter productions and some of the work
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Speaker 1: that we've done and see some of the choreography that
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Speaker 1: Mickey has done and Marcus and our entire creative arts
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Speaker 1: department has done.
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Speaker 2: Mickey, jump right in.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I was reminded of last year, I think it
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Speaker 3: was for Woman There at Loose, when you wanted us
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Speaker 3: to all come together and focus on the theme facing forward.
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Speaker 3: And we were throwing around different ideas about choreography and
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Speaker 3: dancing with masks on our faces or on the back
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Speaker 3: of our heads. And what I loved about that piece
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Speaker 3: so much is that we weren't afraid to jump in
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Speaker 3: and use different styles and types of music. Because it
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Speaker 3: was so cutting edge and it was so captivating that
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Speaker 3: it truly told the story from the song that went
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Speaker 3: before it to the dance piece to what you preached.
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Speaker 3: It all fit together and it told the bigger story
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Speaker 3: and the bigger picture about how we need to face
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Speaker 3: forward in the sermon that you preached that night. Bishop,
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Speaker 3: it was phenomenal. Whereas if it just stood alone, people
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Speaker 3: might not have understood it. They might not have got it.
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Speaker 3: But because we had the voiceovers and because we had
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Speaker 3: the music and the choreography and everything just fit hand
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Speaker 3: in glove, it was absolutely phenomenal.
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Speaker 2: You are exactly right.
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Speaker 1: If you are watching and you got a chance to
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Speaker 1: catch Bible stories, and I don't know where you are
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Speaker 1: on the planet, if you didn't get to catch it,
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Speaker 1: it's been absolutely amazing. Everybody's talking about it. Just think,
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Speaker 1: this broke all records for television services. reaching over 29
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Speaker 1: million people and still climbing, going crazy. There is no
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Speaker 1: one preacher that could get up there and preach for
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Speaker 1: an hour or six weeks and captivate 29 million people.
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Speaker 1: But when you take the visual arts and the dance
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Speaker 1: and the music and the production and you put it
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Speaker 1: all together, you reach a much wider audience. As a pastor,
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Speaker 1: I have learned to support the creative arts department and
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Speaker 1: send them to get the training that they need.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't take anything away from preaching.
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Speaker 1: But as I said, I don't care how well you preach,
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Speaker 1: you're not going to get 29 million viewers like Bible
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Speaker 1: stories did when they take what we preach every Sunday
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Speaker 1: and took all of these fine people and put them
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Speaker 1: together and bundled those gifts.
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Speaker 2: It cost an entirely different direction.
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Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 7: I wanted to just jump in and add to that.
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Speaker 2: Also, it becomes very.
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Speaker 7: Engaging for people that may be in your congregation who
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Speaker 7: may not sing, you know, who may not play the
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Speaker 7: organ or who may not preach. It still lends a
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Speaker 7: platform for them to use their gifts with inside the church.
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Speaker 1: You know that now using those gifts inside the church
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Speaker 1: are very, very important. The attrition rate of people who
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Speaker 1: join the church and get involved in the church are
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Speaker 1: far less likely to leave the church rather than just spectators.
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Speaker 1: And I think because so many churches have such a
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Speaker 1: narrow window through which they can become involved. If you're
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Speaker 1: not a preacher, if you're not a singer, you can't
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Speaker 1: be involved. You know, my son Dexter sings. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: want people to know that, but he can sing. Keep
18:10
Speaker 1: it quiet. He does say he does other things, but
18:13
Speaker 1: he likes to work behind the scenes. How important is
18:16
Speaker 1: it for you, Dexter, to feel like you can still
18:18
Speaker 1: give your gift to God without necessarily being on stage?
18:22
Speaker 6: I don't feel like production allows me to do that
18:25
Speaker 6: because I can work with so many different people. And
18:28
Speaker 6: especially if I have a diverse sound, then I can
18:31
Speaker 6: work with several different people and not just use my gift,
18:34
Speaker 6: you know, On this type of music, because I listen
18:37
Speaker 6: to all kinds of music. So, of course, I'm attracted to,
18:40
Speaker 6: you know, different genres, but I can still magnify God.
18:43
Speaker 6: And I believe that it's really what's inside of me
18:46
Speaker 6: that really matters. You know, I'm going to glorify God
18:49
Speaker 6: through all my ways. And it's what I do with
18:51
Speaker 6: the person in the studio. And, you know, I want
18:55
Speaker 6: them to see God through me. I want to be
18:57
Speaker 6: an instrument, you know, and that's no matter, you.
19:01
Speaker 2: Know, what sound I'm producing. I want them to be
19:03
Speaker 2: able to see that through me.
19:05
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's how you have been able to
19:08
Speaker 1: reach as many people as you have. Talk a little
19:11
Speaker 1: bit about your philosophy and career. And I heard a story.
19:15
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true. I don't want
19:17
Speaker 1: to put you on blast out here. But I heard
19:19
Speaker 1: you and your dad used to work with Michael Jackson.
19:21
Speaker 1: You used to arrive in the studio earlier and just
19:24
Speaker 1: pray for him and pray for his life. How important
19:27
Speaker 1: has your faith been as you've had an opportunity to
19:30
Speaker 1: touch people that say somebody like me behind the pulpit
19:33
Speaker 1: may not ever get to touch?
19:35
Speaker 5: It's actually how it started for me when I was
19:37
Speaker 5: 14 years old.
19:39
Speaker 4: I had a dream. I had a dream that I
19:41
Speaker 4: would be working.
19:42
Speaker 5: In my dream, it was Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson
19:46
Speaker 5: and James Brown. And I couldn't understand the dream. And
19:50
Speaker 5: I was preaching to them in my dream. And I
19:53
Speaker 5: asked my father what that meant. He said, he believes
19:56
Speaker 5: that God is going to put me before those type
19:58
Speaker 5: of men and I would be able to witness to them.
20:00
Speaker 5: So once my professional career started at a young age,
20:04
Speaker 5: I found myself in the studio with likes of people
20:06
Speaker 5: like Michael Jackson.
20:08
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
20:09
Speaker 5: Mace mason bethel who got saved through me um i
20:13
Speaker 5: prayed we prayed we used to we used to bless
20:15
Speaker 5: the walls with oil anoint the walls with oil before
20:18
Speaker 5: our sessions would start and i never forget a short
20:21
Speaker 5: story michael jackson came into our building one time and
20:23
Speaker 5: he said i sense a spirit in this building i
20:26
Speaker 5: sense a sweet spirit in this building and i said
20:29
Speaker 5: that's because we just anointed the wall he said well
20:31
Speaker 5: will you pray for me and um And, you know,
20:34
Speaker 5: I never I never try to put put it out
20:36
Speaker 5: there so much. I let God do the talking to me.
20:39
Speaker 5: If I if I hear him say, you know, you know,
20:41
Speaker 5: like with Mace, what God just said now, right now.
20:44
Speaker 4: And we were in a session. I mean, I'm I'm
20:46
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm I.
20:47
Speaker 5: Work for her at that point. Yet I felt I
20:50
Speaker 5: felt I needed to share my faith with him. And then,
20:52
Speaker 5: you know, minutes later, he was actually crying in the booth.
20:55
Speaker 5: And I feel like God is God has put me
20:58
Speaker 5: before men, like you said, Bishop, that, you know, certain
21:01
Speaker 5: people may not be able to get to. And so
21:03
Speaker 5: I have a responsibility to share Christ with those people.
21:08
Speaker 1: You know, so many Christians today want to remain totally
21:13
Speaker 1: detached from secular people. But if, in fact, the church
21:16
Speaker 1: is the salt of the earth, we can't stay in
21:18
Speaker 1: the salt shaker and really touch people's lives. You have
21:21
Speaker 1: to be able to get out there and interact with
21:23
Speaker 1: people and show love and kindness and be able to
21:25
Speaker 1: connect with them and then wait for those opportunities to
21:28
Speaker 1: come by where you can show your faith. If you're
21:31
Speaker 1: just joining us, we're talking about this great event that's
21:34
Speaker 1: going to be going on April 25th through the 27th.
21:37
Speaker 1: pastors in leadership conferences say, well, I don't see a
21:39
Speaker 1: bunch of pastors on here. That's because these are the
21:42
Speaker 1: people who undergird the ministries. They are the errands and
21:46
Speaker 1: herd that lift up the arms of great pastors. There's
21:49
Speaker 1: so many pastors out there who have great vision and frankly,
21:52
Speaker 1: great preaching ability, but they're unable to reach the hope
21:55
Speaker 1: of their calling because the people up under them are
21:58
Speaker 1: not trained or given an opportunity to undergird those sermons
22:02
Speaker 1: and with dance, with drama, with music, with lighting, with technology,
22:06
Speaker 1: with television, with streaming over the internet. They're not taking
22:09
Speaker 1: advantage of all the opportunities before them. They may be
22:13
Speaker 1: very good men, but if you could be a mailman
22:15
Speaker 1: and still delivering on a horse and buggy, you're still
22:18
Speaker 1: delivering mail, but you need to update so that you
22:20
Speaker 1: can keep.
22:21
Speaker 4: Up with the times.
22:21
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what our pastors and leadership conference is
22:24
Speaker 1: all about. April 25th through the 27th, we're going to
22:28
Speaker 1: be in Dallas, Texas. And we want to help churches
22:31
Speaker 1: so that no church is left behind of the global conversation.
22:35
Speaker 1: The amazing thing for me is that I can minister
22:38
Speaker 1: today and get tweets and get Facebook comments from people
22:41
Speaker 1: in Nigeria, from people in Ghana, from people.
22:44
Speaker 2: In Australia, around the world. And so all kinds of.
22:47
Speaker 1: People are hearing you today, not just the people who
22:50
Speaker 1: are used to and enjoy church in a very traditional way.
22:54
Speaker 1: I think, Dexter, you were saying you had some questions
22:58
Speaker 1: that you wanted to whip out and share with Rodney.
23:01
Speaker 2: So just jump right in.
23:03
Speaker 6: What exactly inspired you to really do music? Other than
23:07
Speaker 6: I know that being in church and being a PK,
23:10
Speaker 6: of course, can be a heavy influence on your music.
23:14
Speaker 6: But what was the thing that set you apart from
23:17
Speaker 6: anyone else just listening to that music? What about it
23:22
Speaker 6: was the thing that made you want to do it
23:24
Speaker 6: and pursue it as, you know, your career?
23:26
Speaker 5: You know, you know, what's funny, Dexter, is that as
23:29
Speaker 5: a child growing up in my house, I come from
23:31
Speaker 5: I come from a Pentecostal holiness background. And so secular
23:35
Speaker 5: music was forbidden in our house. And we grew up
23:39
Speaker 5: on the windings, as you know, it was windings and
23:41
Speaker 5: Hezekiah Walker all day and everything. And I used to
23:45
Speaker 5: sneak R & B music in the house. I used
23:48
Speaker 5: to listen to a group called Guy, and it was
23:50
Speaker 5: produced by the name of Teddy Raleigh, who I just
23:53
Speaker 5: thought was incredible.
23:55
Speaker 4: And for some reason, I was like, I want to
23:57
Speaker 4: make this music.
23:59
Speaker 5: And as I started working on my craft as a
24:02
Speaker 5: young child, I mean, I was 10 years old working
24:05
Speaker 5: on music. I was 16 years old producing Patti LaBelle.
24:09
Speaker 5: And I really saw it more so at a young age,
24:13
Speaker 5: not so much for glorifying myself, but I really saw
24:16
Speaker 5: it as an opportunity to reach people. I really believe,
24:20
Speaker 5: I was in the four walls of the church so
24:22
Speaker 5: much that I felt like ministry had to go outside
24:25
Speaker 5: of the four walls. And I really knew in my
24:27
Speaker 5: heart of hearts that you can't, the opportunity to witness
24:32
Speaker 5: to a Justin Bieber doesn't come every day. And so
24:35
Speaker 5: if it takes me giving him a song, if it
24:38
Speaker 5: takes me working on a song with him, just to
24:41
Speaker 5: give him a seed, then that's the business that I
24:44
Speaker 5: need to be in, and that's where God took me,
24:46
Speaker 5: and that's where I'm at.
24:47
Speaker 2: And you also get to make a whole lot of money. Absolutely.
24:51
Speaker 7: I was going to say this about Rodney, and I
24:55
Speaker 7: know him pretty well. We talk on a regular basis.
24:57
Speaker 7: One thing I really admire about him is how he
24:59
Speaker 7: preserves his brand, and he's very knowledgeable about the business.
25:03
Speaker 7: We've talked publishing at length, and a lot of guys who,
25:07
Speaker 7: if they get an opportunity to sell off a Michael
25:08
Speaker 7: Jackson song for $ 10 million, they'll do it. But he
25:11
Speaker 7: understands that That's real estate. You know, when you when
25:14
Speaker 7: you've written a song, that song is real estate. And
25:18
Speaker 7: in the publishing behind it and the different components that
25:20
Speaker 7: are all a part of that song, that that song
25:23
Speaker 7: becomes like buying a house, you know, and owning a house.
25:27
Speaker 2: And so I really admire Rodney for that.
25:29
Speaker 7: Not only is he very gifted, but he's extremely knowledgeable
25:32
Speaker 7: as it relates to the business.
25:34
Speaker 1: I think it's very important that you also be practical.
25:36
Speaker 1: We have a lot of people who are waiting on
25:38
Speaker 1: somebody to hire them. And when they see somebody like
25:41
Speaker 1: Rodney Jerkins, who's hired himself and become a brand in
25:44
Speaker 1: his own right, it gives him hope. If God has
25:46
Speaker 1: given you a gift, the Bible says a gift will
25:49
Speaker 1: bring you before great men. And to be able to
25:51
Speaker 1: monetize that gifting is very critical. You can't take care
25:54
Speaker 1: of your family if you don't have any kind of income.
25:57
Speaker 1: I've seen singers and artists who really love the music
26:01
Speaker 1: and they love to sing and they love to do
26:03
Speaker 1: what they do. But Rodney, if they don't understand business,
26:07
Speaker 1: they can sing all day long and.
26:08
Speaker 2: End up broke.
26:10
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to understand this business, and it's a
26:15
Speaker 5: very tricky business. It's not the easiest business to understand,
26:18
Speaker 5: but you do need to understand it. You need to
26:21
Speaker 5: understand the publishing. If you're in the music side of songwriting,
26:28
Speaker 5: you have to understand publishing.
26:29
Speaker 4: That is the most crucial.
26:31
Speaker 5: That's your kid's money, as simple as that, so you
26:34
Speaker 5: need to understand what that is. You also understand, even
26:37
Speaker 5: from a spiritual side, tithing is a necessity.
26:45
Speaker 4: You need to tithe. People don't understand.
26:47
Speaker 5: I don't understand how sometimes people can actually give 20%
26:51
Speaker 5: to a manager but can't give 10% to the storehouse.
26:56
Speaker 2: Can I keep that line? I'm going to use that Sunday.
26:59
Speaker 4: It's just important.
27:02
Speaker 5: I was brought up and my father taught me that
27:05
Speaker 5: if you make $ 10 doing this, then the dollar needs
27:07
Speaker 5: to go to church. And so My whole career, that's
27:10
Speaker 5: just been a thing that I've always had. It's a
27:13
Speaker 5: mandate in my life. I have to tithe.
27:16
Speaker 4: It's a must.
27:16
Speaker 5: I cannot rob God of what he deserves. And if
27:19
Speaker 5: more people will understand that, I believe even more blessings
27:21
Speaker 5: would flow.
27:23
Speaker 1: You know, I looked around and I saw, Mickey, when
27:26
Speaker 1: you began to do your dance conferences, I saw everything.
27:31
Speaker 1: They were doing step. They were doing hip hop. They
27:33
Speaker 1: were doing ballet. They were doing everything. And here there's
27:38
Speaker 1: this young white girl up there doing hip hop and
27:41
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. How important is it today for
27:44
Speaker 1: us to break out of stereotypes and break away from
27:47
Speaker 1: molds and Bring all cultural influences together so that people
27:51
Speaker 1: can see that our God is broader than just one culture.
27:55
Speaker 4: Bishop, we have to.
27:57
Speaker 3: We have to be on the cutting edge of what
27:59
Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit is saying through dance. And that is going,
28:02
Speaker 3: like I said before, that's going beyond your personal comfort zone.
28:07
Speaker 3: I was a cheerleader all my life. So my style
28:10
Speaker 3: of dance comes forth very militant and very precise. And
28:14
Speaker 3: so when I actually had to take some ballet classes,
28:17
Speaker 3: you know, I was shocked. But we have to we
28:21
Speaker 3: have to be on the cutting edge of what the
28:23
Speaker 3: people want, what the people are speaking. And when I
28:26
Speaker 3: began to incorporate that into my choreography and got out
28:29
Speaker 3: of Mickey's comfort zone of what I could get on
28:32
Speaker 3: the stage and do and realize this goes beyond me,
28:35
Speaker 3: that this is a tool that preaches the gospel. And
28:37
Speaker 3: I want to reach, you know, with my vocabulary, I
28:40
Speaker 3: want to reach the ballerinas. I want to reach the
28:43
Speaker 3: hip hop dancers. I want to reach the steppers. I
28:45
Speaker 3: want to reach the contemporary dancers. And the only way
28:47
Speaker 3: to do that is to present it, but to present
28:49
Speaker 3: it with excellence, with skill and precision. And out of
28:53
Speaker 3: all the scriptures in the Bible that I love that
28:55
Speaker 3: talk about dance, you know, dancing before the Lord and
28:58
Speaker 3: timbrel and dance, the scripture that stuck out with the
29:01
Speaker 3: most for years is Psalms 47 and 7, where it
29:04
Speaker 3: talks about sing praises with a skillful psalm. And I
29:09
Speaker 3: sat on that scripture and realized we have to continue
29:13
Speaker 3: to educate ourselves and to get training and to become
29:16
Speaker 3: skillful in the gift that God has given us. And
29:19
Speaker 3: that means taking dance classes or, like I said, bringing
29:21
Speaker 3: instructors in because I want to I want to speak
29:24
Speaker 3: to the congregation. I don't want them to be bored.
29:27
Speaker 3: And if we are the salt of the earth, I
29:30
Speaker 3: want to spice it up. I want to add flavor.
29:32
Speaker 2: You do spice it up. How many people have you
29:36
Speaker 2: had on the stage dancing at one time?
29:38
Speaker 1: Because at one time, I thought you almost had the
29:40
Speaker 1: whole church dancing. They were coming from everywhere all over
29:43
Speaker 1: our church.
29:44
Speaker 3: It was absolutely amazing. I think at one time, one
29:46
Speaker 3: of our dance conferences, we pushed 550 people. dancers. And
29:52
Speaker 3: like you said, from every style imaginable to even the crumpers,
29:56
Speaker 3: you know, there's crumpers out there. I got to understand
29:58
Speaker 3: this crumping, but we had the crumpers out there. It
30:01
Speaker 3: was almost 550 dancers coming together and one mind and
30:05
Speaker 3: one accord and how we compliment each other with this
30:09
Speaker 3: gift was absolutely phenomenal.
30:11
Speaker 1: You know, there's some people watching us right now. They're
30:13
Speaker 1: a little shy. They're a little intimidated. They're used to
30:15
Speaker 1: worshiping in a church. Maybe you've got 50 or 60
30:18
Speaker 1: people in it. And everybody looks like them, votes like them,
30:21
Speaker 1: dresses like them. And as you begin to challenge them
30:25
Speaker 1: and as you begin to train them, there is no
30:27
Speaker 1: person too young or too old not to have an opportunity.
30:31
Speaker 1: If they have a passion for dance, do you really
30:33
Speaker 1: believe you can help them?
30:34
Speaker 3: Absolutely. And I think it boils down to just that
30:37
Speaker 3: it is about passion. God is wanting to use people
30:41
Speaker 3: that are passionate and creative. Bishop, I would rather work
30:45
Speaker 3: with people that just get out there and give it all.
30:47
Speaker 3: And we can kind of train them and say, OK,
30:50
Speaker 3: tone this down or use this. Then people that just
30:53
Speaker 3: sit on their hips all day long and we have
30:55
Speaker 3: to continue to push them and put a fire under them.
30:57
Speaker 3: Get out there, baby. Use your gift. Do what God
31:00
Speaker 3: has called you to do. Go big or go home.
31:03
Speaker 3: You know, we have to do it big and we
31:05
Speaker 3: have to do it with all that is within us.
31:07
Speaker 3: And he will bless that. God will bless that.
31:10
Speaker 1: If you have any aspirations to dance, you need to
31:14
Speaker 1: be in this class. People come from all over the country.
31:18
Speaker 1: People are coming from overseas to have an opportunity to
31:22
Speaker 1: experience the various modalities of dance and to become involved
31:26
Speaker 1: in it. If you've got people in your church, Pastor,
31:29
Speaker 1: that are doing it. But, you know, some of these
31:31
Speaker 1: people who are doing it in church, they love the Lord.
31:35
Speaker 1: but they need some classes, Pastor.
31:37
Speaker 2: Praise God.
31:38
Speaker 1: They need some real classes. I saw them on YouTube.
31:39
Speaker 1: They need some classes, man. God, invest in them. Invest
31:44
Speaker 1: in them.
31:44
Speaker 2: You can't reap a harvest if you don't sow a seed.
31:47
Speaker 1: Rodney, I want you to give us a little sneak preview.
31:49
Speaker 1: Don't give it all away, but what you're going to
31:51
Speaker 1: be talking about during your workshop at the Pastors in
31:54
Speaker 1: Leadership Conference.
31:56
Speaker 4: We're going to be talking about publishing.
31:58
Speaker 5: We're going to be talking about monetization, of course, and
32:00
Speaker 5: we're going to be talking about how to get your
32:03
Speaker 5: music heard to the right people. That's the key, to
32:06
Speaker 5: the right people. Talking about how to enhance your skills.
32:12
Speaker 5: You know, something that Mickey said earlier about evolving, and
32:15
Speaker 5: that's really important because when you mentioned, Bishop, what's the
32:19
Speaker 5: difference in gospel, and I said excellence and perfection and precision,
32:25
Speaker 5: evolving is so important because in the church, even in
32:28
Speaker 5: the church, the music has to go to the next level.
32:31
Speaker 5: It can't sound A lot of the gospel music that
32:34
Speaker 5: is out there sounds dated. So it sounds like stuff
32:36
Speaker 5: that might have been on the secular side 10 years
32:38
Speaker 5: ago when it should be sounding like.
32:39
Speaker 4: It should be ahead of the curve.
32:41
Speaker 5: So we're going to talk about the type of technology
32:45
Speaker 5: you need to use in order to get that sound.
32:48
Speaker 2: This is so, so very important.
32:51
Speaker 1: In a corporate sense, when you have a CEO, the
32:54
Speaker 1: CEO actually is a visionary. And one of the responsibilities
32:59
Speaker 1: is for the visionary to envision things, but not to
33:02
Speaker 1: facilitate them.
33:04
Speaker 2: The people up under you help to facilitate those things.
33:07
Speaker 1: And if you don't have a vision that you can
33:09
Speaker 1: pass to the hands of somebody who can update it
33:13
Speaker 1: and keep it contemporary and manifest it, then the vision dies.
33:17
Speaker 1: Without a vision, the people perish. And without a people,
33:21
Speaker 1: The vision perishes. You might have great vision, Pastor, but
33:24
Speaker 1: if you don't have a people up under you who
33:26
Speaker 1: can turn that into something significant.
33:29
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
33:30
Speaker 1: Marcus, so many times you and I have sat up
33:32
Speaker 1: and talked and maybe I've drawn something on a piece
33:34
Speaker 1: of paper towel or, you know, I'll be talking.
33:39
Speaker 2: In strange language and then you interpret it.
33:42
Speaker 1: And don't embarrass me now, but how hard is it
33:45
Speaker 1: to interpret what I'm envisioning into the music language so
33:49
Speaker 1: that our band and our choir directors and all of
33:52
Speaker 1: our people can facilitate the vision?
33:55
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, this speaks actually to the seminar that I'm doing, sir,
33:57
Speaker 7: which is themed the relationship between the pastor and the musician.
34:03
Speaker 7: And part of that is just in me respecting you
34:06
Speaker 7: and getting to know you as a leader where you
34:09
Speaker 7: shouldn't have to give me all the details every time.
34:11
Speaker 7: I mean, if I've seen you walk in a room
34:13
Speaker 7: and do one, two, three, four, five, I should be
34:15
Speaker 7: able to walk in that room and articulate those five points,
34:19
Speaker 7: whether you're in that room or not. And so that's
34:21
Speaker 7: one of the things that I love. I mean, you know,
34:24
Speaker 7: one thing that you described early on was, you know,
34:26
Speaker 7: a great musician should be one that provides a canvas
34:30
Speaker 7: on which you paint. And across the board, I mean,
34:34
Speaker 7: from not just you giving me direction as it relates
34:37
Speaker 7: to engaging the rest of the team, But every night
34:39
Speaker 7: you mount the platform to preach.
34:41
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the same thing. It's the same model.
34:44
Speaker 2: And I carry that very careful.
34:45
Speaker 7: I mean, I want to make sure that if you
34:47
Speaker 7: give an assignment that we run with it exactly like
34:50
Speaker 7: you expected it.
34:51
Speaker 2: And that to me is the greatest gift.
34:53
Speaker 4: It's a gift.
34:55
Speaker 2: It's a gift to the church.
34:58
Speaker 1: The church benefits from our unity. It's a gift to
35:01
Speaker 1: me as a pastor because I'm able to communicate some things.
35:05
Speaker 1: You know, I might tell Marcus, you know, I hear
35:07
Speaker 1: running water. And if we had, you know, it would
35:10
Speaker 1: be weird what I communicate. But then when I see it,
35:14
Speaker 1: Marcus will often say that the litmus test of success
35:17
Speaker 1: is for me to see.
35:19
Speaker 2: Outwardly perform what I envision inwardly.
35:23
Speaker 1: That's when the oil is flowing from the head to
35:25
Speaker 1: the beard to the skirts, not being diluted, not being polluted,
35:29
Speaker 1: but moving effectively down the course. Dexter, when you start
35:32
Speaker 1: talking about your generation and the younger generation, how important
35:36
Speaker 1: is it for them to not just sit back, wish
35:38
Speaker 1: and dream, but to take advantage of these kinds of
35:40
Speaker 1: opportunities to be exposed to a Rodney Jurgens, to be
35:44
Speaker 1: exposed to a Mickey Costello or Marcus Dawson? How important
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Speaker 1: is it to have that mentoring opportunity?
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Speaker 6: I think in order to master anything, you have to
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Speaker 6: study the greats. And a part of that is really
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Speaker 6: watching knowledgeable people talk and express the importance of finding
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Speaker 6: out about publishing and copyright and things like that. You
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Speaker 6: just learn the business because a lot of people just
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Speaker 6: stay within the boundaries of creativity. And I feel like
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Speaker 6: sometimes you have to be creative and you also have
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Speaker 6: to have that business hustle in you So I think
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Speaker 6: it's very important for young people to realize that just
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Speaker 6: being creative isn't always enough to make it in any business.
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Speaker 6: And I'm sure, you know, I'm sure that if they
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Speaker 6: come to this session, they'll realize that, you know, there's
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Speaker 6: a lot more than just pressing notes and things like
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Speaker 6: that to music. It's more it's more of a business
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Speaker 6: that you want to be in. And it's very important
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Speaker 6: for us to learn that.
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Speaker 1: Rodney, now you correct me on this, but I think
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Speaker 1: that sometimes when you come to a meeting like this,
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Speaker 1: you get the benefit of, as my son said, being
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Speaker 1: taught by the greats. But you also get an opportunity
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Speaker 1: to network with people in the industry. How important is
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Speaker 1: relationships in this business? Relationships is everything, Bishop. Everything.
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Speaker 5: I've been in the music industry for almost 20 years now,
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Speaker 5: and I say it's relationship.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I have a gift. I have a talent.
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Speaker 5: But I've also cultivated a lot of relationships along the way.
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Speaker 5: And I've made sure that I kept those relationships and
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Speaker 5: then hindering relationships.
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Speaker 4: That's what's really important in this industry.
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Speaker 2: You know, I thank you for that. That is very
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Speaker 2: important for clergy as well.
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Speaker 1: When you come to a conference and you get to
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Speaker 1: meet people and rub shoulders and go to lunch with
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Speaker 1: people that you normally wouldn't have access, you get ideas.
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Speaker 1: Somebody's written a song. Somebody has lyrics. Somebody puts music
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Speaker 1: to it. Somebody does production. Next thing you know, that's
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Speaker 1: where deals are made. In business, deals are not made
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Speaker 1: around the boardroom. They're made on the golf course in
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Speaker 1: places where people interact and intersect with each other. It's very,
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Speaker 1: very important. If you're just long gone, You're watching the
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Speaker 1: Music and Fine Arts edition of today's Google Chat, and
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Speaker 1: we're chatting about the Pastors and Leadership Conference that is
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Speaker 1: scheduled to take place here in Dallas, Texas, April 25th
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Speaker 1: through the 27th. If you want more detailed information on
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Speaker 1: all the various seminars, it's not just worship leaders, choir directors, dance, production,
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Speaker 1: all aspects of music, but it's also about publishing. It's
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Speaker 1: about business deals. It's about It's about how to really
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Speaker 1: get behind the vision, how to market the gifts that
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Speaker 1: are in your church, how to collect data, how to
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Speaker 1: organize your staff so that you can be effective, how
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Speaker 1: to do the Lord's business.
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Speaker 2: With excellence, accounting. All aspects of that. Then we're going
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Speaker 2: to be training pastors.
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Speaker 1: My wife is going to be talking to pastors and
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Speaker 1: ministers while John Maxwell, one of the premier voices of leadership,
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Speaker 1: is going to be speaking. You're seldom going to get
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to be in the room with John Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: Serena Jakes, Dr. Steve Perry, Alvin Brown. Walter Scott, Thomas Johnson,
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Speaker 1: and Joby Brady on and on and on, as well
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Speaker 1: as these fine folks that we have here and others.
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Speaker 1: You ought to take your time off from your busy schedule.
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Speaker 1: You know, busyness can be the enemy of greatness. Just
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Speaker 1: because you're busy doesn't mean that you're great. Really great
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Speaker 1: people take the time to really hone their skills and
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Speaker 1: do what they need to do to go to the top.
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Speaker 1: I'm almost out of time, but I've got just a
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Speaker 1: moment or two. I want to give each of you
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Speaker 1: a chance for a last word or a final thought
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Speaker 1: that is significant to you.
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Speaker 2: In your area of expertise.
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Speaker 5: I'll start off by telling everyone, invest in yourself. If
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Speaker 5: you believe in your gift and if you believe in
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Speaker 5: your ability and you believe in your talent, you have
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Speaker 5: to invest in yourself.
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Speaker 4: Invest in yourself. Get to this conference because it will
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Speaker 4: impact you.
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Speaker 5: As it as it as it's going to impact me
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Speaker 5: just being there to be able to help give some
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Speaker 5: of these gems away amen.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Okay, I'll go next. One of the things I'm
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Speaker 3: going to really teach on in the class is how
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Speaker 3: to bring forth your dance effectively, how to pick the
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Speaker 3: right song, how to build that choreography so that you
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Speaker 3: build with the music, and how to cover yourself appropriately.
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Speaker 3: A lot of women have the beautiful skill and beautiful talent,
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Speaker 3: but we can't get past what they're wearing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Because it's not appropriate and can be embarrassing to not
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Speaker 3: only them, but to the viewers. So we want to
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Speaker 3: talk about garments and makeup and just how to keep
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Speaker 3: it on the cutting edge of creativity, Bishop, how to
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Speaker 3: really push it forward and allow the dance to build
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Speaker 3: and enhance the preaching of the word that's coming, which
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Speaker 3: is the seed. And the seed needs to be planted
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Speaker 3: on ground that's been made ready by what we do
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Speaker 3: before you take the pulpit, how to prepare the hearts
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Speaker 3: of the people.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Well, for me, Bishop, for years, we get tons of
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Speaker 7: requests for the music department to do a conference or
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Speaker 7: to do a seminar workshop or something like that. So
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Speaker 7: what we've tried to do is present all of those
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Speaker 7: pieces that people have asked us for, plus things that
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Speaker 7: we know they would need to know inside of the
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Speaker 7: pastors and leadership conference. So you're getting exactly what you
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Speaker 7: asked for when you come to.
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Speaker 2: This pastors and leaders conference. We'll be there.
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Speaker 1: OK.
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Speaker 3: Thanks, sir.
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Speaker 6: I'm really looking forward to just sitting in the session
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Speaker 6: and listening to great people talk about things that really
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Speaker 6: motivate me, things that I'm very concerned about, things that
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Speaker 6: are very close to my heart, music and finding out
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Speaker 6: different things that I need to know that will propel
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Speaker 6: me later on in my career.
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Speaker 2: You know, this is an exciting time.
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Speaker 1: It is about propelling yourself from 18 to 80. You
41:16
Speaker 1: can never stop learning or stop growing. So many people
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Speaker 1: think that because they're 40, 50, 60, that they're accomplished
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Speaker 1: and they know everything that there is to know. But
41:24
Speaker 1: doctors go back and they take additional training. Lawyers pick
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Speaker 1: up extra courses. Businessmen go back to be trained. Salesmen
41:31
Speaker 1: are forever in seminars or sessions. greatness costs something. You
41:35
Speaker 1: have to invest in it, and you have to keep
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Speaker 1: sharpening yourself, or you can become irrelevant and not even
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Speaker 1: know it. Listen, we are so glad about the Pastors
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Speaker 1: in Leadership Conference. It's going to be in Dallas, Texas,
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Speaker 1: April 25th through the 27th. For more information, you can
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Speaker 1: go to pastorsandleaders.org or 1-800-DISHUP-2. I want to take this
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Speaker 1: opportunity to thank Rodney Jerkins, alias Dark Child. Dexter Jakes,
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Speaker 1: Marcus Dawson, and also Mickey Castillo for joining us today,
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Speaker 1: taking time out of your busy schedule. We have presented
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Speaker 1: to you the music and fine arts edition of the
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Speaker 1: Google Chat right here today. Thank you so very much.