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Not Guilty, "Okurrr!": Cardi B’s Case Breakdown with Eboni K Williams · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain drops on today's episode Reality
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  Speaker 1: with the King, I am back with Ebie k Williams,
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  Speaker 1: the legal ego, easy Expert, all the things.
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  Speaker 2: She has been such a source of information for us.
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  Speaker 2: And listen, this trial we are going to talk about,
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  Speaker 2: in addition to the verdict that was reached is a
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  Speaker 2: pop culture sensation because because it involved a hip hop
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  Speaker 2: sensation and a pop star and all the things by
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  Speaker 2: the name of Carti B and Ebony is gonna break
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  Speaker 2: down the case with us because this has been like
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  Speaker 2: eight years in the making or seven years maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it was this so happened in two thy twenty
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  Speaker 3: I think or twenty nineteen and then yeah, fou and
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  Speaker 3: now we finally five six years later, we finally have
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  Speaker 3: a judgment.
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  Speaker 4: Which is insane.
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  Speaker 2: So I did not know Carti even had to go
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  Speaker 2: to trial for something like this. So Ebany, can you
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  Speaker 2: explain to us exactly what happened, because one thing I
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  Speaker 2: would like to say is this Carti b was on
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  Speaker 2: trial for an incident that occurred in twenty eighteen. She
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  Speaker 2: was accused of assaulting a security guard. And this case,
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  Speaker 2: like we said, finally happened seven years later.
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  Speaker 4: Abony, what are the details, honey?
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  Speaker 5: So so much to go into.
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  Speaker 3: So I want to start with the framing of what
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  Speaker 3: this trial was and what it wasn't. Carlos, So let's
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  Speaker 3: be clear, right drops, this was not a criminal trial.
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  Speaker 3: There was nothing criminal at stake, Okay. So this was
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  Speaker 3: the police officers weren't involved, none of that. This is
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  Speaker 3: what we call a civil matter, okay. So this goes
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  Speaker 3: back to all my legal legals law students, pera legals
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  Speaker 3: legal assistant. This is a torts claim, okay, which is
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  Speaker 3: a class we take. Don't you just love going to
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  Speaker 3: law school with abide k Williams.
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  Speaker 4: You don't obsessed with you?
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  Speaker 5: This is just a time for back to school, Carlos.
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  Speaker 4: Look about outfit.
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  Speaker 3: I let's say you got your little back to school
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  Speaker 3: polo on. Yeah, we're not gonna do the same. So yes,
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  Speaker 3: So this is a tort, which we learned about our
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  Speaker 3: very first year of law school. Torts can also be crimes,
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  Speaker 3: So this.
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  Speaker 5: Is where it could be confusing.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So when you normally hear assault and battery, we
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  Speaker 3: normally think of the criminal justice system, right, we think
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  Speaker 3: about somebody getting arrested and potentially going to jail or
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  Speaker 3: probation for committing an assault or battery, a harmful touching
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  Speaker 3: of another. Right, But then there's a torte version of
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  Speaker 3: all of those same things, Carlos. So we know in
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  Speaker 3: this case, Cartie was on trial for allegations that she
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  Speaker 3: committed tortes, which are civil wrongs. That's what a tort is,
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  Speaker 3: a civil wrong. They can include and did in this
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  Speaker 3: case include assault, battery, emotional infliction of emotional intentional infliction
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  Speaker 3: rather of emotional distress, also negligence and all kinds of things.
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  Speaker 4: And so the judge or.
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  Speaker 3: Jury in this matter, in this case it was a
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  Speaker 3: jury gets to decide there's not a guilt or innocence.
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  Speaker 5: That's something else I want to clear up.
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  Speaker 3: So she was never going to be found guilty, and
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  Speaker 3: she was never going to be found not guilty because
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't apply to civil cases.
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  Speaker 5: You're either found liable or not liable.
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  Speaker 3: This is important difference, Carlos, because it's a different burden
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  Speaker 3: of proof when we're talking about criminal matters where somebody
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  Speaker 3: must be found guilty.
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  Speaker 5: I know you know this. The standard of proof is
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  Speaker 5: what beyond a reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 3: So that means it needs to be proven at a
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  Speaker 3: very high likelihood, more reasonable than not that you absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: in fact not more reasonable than that. Excuse me, I
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  Speaker 3: mispoke ray drops beyond a reasonable doubt. So you have
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  Speaker 3: to be so thought to be guilty by the evidence,
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  Speaker 3: by the testimony by the forensics, that no reasonable doubt
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  Speaker 3: can exist to your guilt.
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  Speaker 5: Period.
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  Speaker 3: That's the bar, and it's that high, Carlos, because people's
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  Speaker 3: lives are on the line, jail execution in some states.
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  Speaker 3: That's a high bar. Totally different standard of proof in
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  Speaker 3: a civil matter. You only have to be believed to
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  Speaker 3: be responsible for the things you're accused of. We call
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  Speaker 3: it fifty one percent more reasonable than not, more probable
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  Speaker 3: than not that you did it. So that's why a
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  Speaker 3: lot of times rain drops you'll see people bring a
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  Speaker 3: civil case instead of a criminal case, right because they
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  Speaker 3: could be argued, madam security guard, if you were so
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  Speaker 3: injured and so distressed and so traumatized by this so
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  Speaker 3: called scar and finger nail cut or what have you,
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  Speaker 3: why not call the cops, Why not have Cardio arrested?
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  Speaker 3: Why not, you know, pursue it in a criminal court?
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  Speaker 3: That's what oftentimes people say.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Oftentimes, Carlos is not pursued criminally because there's not enough evidence.
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  Speaker 3: There's not enough to reach that high burden of proof
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  Speaker 3: of beyond a reasonable doubt. So you bring that burden
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  Speaker 3: of proof down to more probable than not, and we
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  Speaker 3: find ourselves in civil court.
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  Speaker 5: Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 4: No, it makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, Because the thing that was so confusing to me,
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  Speaker 2: which is why I'm glad you cleared it up, is
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  Speaker 2: although the former security guard alleged that Cardi b spat
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  Speaker 2: on her, scratched her nose with a fingernail doing a
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  Speaker 2: verbal altercation, this wasn't a criminal.
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  Speaker 4: Trial.
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  Speaker 2: So your breakdown is great because we're now able to
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  Speaker 2: really understand exactly why this case was even happening. So
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  Speaker 2: the woman, the former security guard, she decided like you said,
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  Speaker 2: to sue Cardi b for this alleged altercation not criminal
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  Speaker 2: but civil.
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  Speaker 4: She sued her for twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: Million, Okay, she sued her for twenty four million dollars
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  Speaker 2: for again rain drops, for allegedly saying for Carti allegedly
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  Speaker 2: spitting on her her nose with a fingernail.
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  Speaker 4: Talk to us about this, and why would any lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: Agree to take on the case a of this magnitude
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  Speaker 2: or lack thereof magnitude.
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  Speaker 4: But also to say, twenty four million dollars seems like
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  Speaker 4: the right number for this.
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  Speaker 3: It's laughable, right, So I have to say for me,
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  Speaker 3: and this is my actual legal opinion here, Carlos, not
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  Speaker 3: my personal opinion. I think this case was over before
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  Speaker 3: it started because of that number. Knowing no other facts, right,
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  Speaker 3: knowing no other facts, whether there's going to be somebody
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  Speaker 3: to testify to them seeing Cardi do this or not
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  Speaker 3: do this, knowing no other facts, the minute you have
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  Speaker 3: the audacity and really the willful kind of bad intention
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  Speaker 3: as an attorney to bow this on behalf of your
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  Speaker 3: client in civil court. And the most egregious harm you
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  Speaker 3: can sign eight is the being spit upon and a
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  Speaker 3: three inch fingernail laceration. And you talking about twenty four million.
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  Speaker 3: You've undermined your own credibility just in the filing of
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  Speaker 3: the complaint.
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  Speaker 5: See what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Now, let me tell you how it could have gone different.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying Cardi would have been found liable or
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  Speaker 3: that she should have been I'm just saying how it
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  Speaker 3: could have played out with more of an opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: the plaintiff here, the security guard, to have a better
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  Speaker 3: outcome that she was seeking. You, and I believe this
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  Speaker 3: is true in the state of Georgia. In most states,
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  Speaker 3: when you follow a lawsuit like this, Carlos, you do
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  Speaker 3: need to put some number on the table. They normally
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  Speaker 3: require you to put some number. You can't just say
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  Speaker 3: whatever the jury thinks, but you can do it in
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  Speaker 3: a less much less aggressive way. You can say, and
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  Speaker 3: the plaintiff seeks in excess of ten thousand dollars of damages,
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  Speaker 3: and that can be up to millions, but we're putting
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  Speaker 3: in a minimum threshold of ten thousand dollars, a minimum
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  Speaker 3: threshold of one thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 5: You see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: And because that threshold, DIC takes what type of court
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  Speaker 3: you might be in So I think had this case
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  Speaker 3: been filed, this lawsuit been filed at the onset, Carlos saying,
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  Speaker 3: same complaint, same facts, same allegations, and the relief we
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  Speaker 3: seek your honor is in excess of ten thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Let us have our day in court now. I'm willing
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  Speaker 3: to hear you out, and I'm willing to believe that
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  Speaker 3: there could be some truthfulness to what you're going to
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  Speaker 3: put before this court. But when you come in this
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  Speaker 3: court talking about a spat upon in a three inch
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  Speaker 3: nail laceration each of about twenty four million dollars, it
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  Speaker 3: reads like you're operating in bad faith from day one.
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  Speaker 3: Reads it's giving scam, it's giving extortion, it's giving payday,
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  Speaker 3: and it's giving bad faith again and that's a legal term.
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  Speaker 3: It's giving that you, the client, you and your client
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  Speaker 3: it are operating in bad faith. And I'm already looking
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  Speaker 3: at all the facts and evidence that you're putting before
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  Speaker 3: me from that lens, that that landing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh baby, it's a jet blue holiday.
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  Speaker 4: Right right right? What if the kids saying Jetsu holiday.
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  Speaker 2: This is reality with the king, and I'm Carlos King
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  Speaker 2: let's get back into the show. It makes so much sense.
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  Speaker 2: So what Ebany is saying is or her legal opinion.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that due to an alleged three inch laceration
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  Speaker 2: from Carti's nails, that allegedly happened, and to say that
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  Speaker 2: it was worked twenty four million is interesting too, because
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  Speaker 2: what the security guard said under oath is that this
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  Speaker 2: incident traumatized her and that it required a cosmetic procedure
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  Speaker 2: because of the scarring from the alleged assault. She also
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  Speaker 2: said that she lost her job over the incident as well.
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  Speaker 2: What's so fascinating about that is, let's just say, for
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  Speaker 2: the sake of an argument, right, let's say this did happen.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say that someone of Carniv's stature, who is worth
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  Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of dollars, did actually make
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  Speaker 2: contact with anybody, did actually spit on somebody, did actually you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, scratch her scratch her face with the nail. Based
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  Speaker 4: on your.
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  Speaker 2: Legal expertise, if this really did happen, it's twenty four
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  Speaker 2: million dollars still an amount that should be awarded to
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  Speaker 2: somebody dealing with that.
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  Speaker 4: Plus a cosmetic procedure. So here's the.
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  Speaker 3: Good news, Carlo. We don't even have to speculate about it.
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  Speaker 3: The answer is, of course, that's totally irrational, and we
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  Speaker 3: have a mechanism in the law that allows for us
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  Speaker 3: to determine what is rational. I love this, I love
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  Speaker 3: doing this with you. It is just so nostalgic for
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  Speaker 3: me to go back into my early tutelage as a
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  Speaker 3: young legal scholar and realize when I learned these things
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  Speaker 3: for the first time. Seriously so again. First year in
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  Speaker 3: law school we get told about the concept of a
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  Speaker 3: quantum assessment of damages. Okay, there's all yes, there are books.
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  Speaker 3: There are now I'm talking about That's how dated myself
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  Speaker 3: talking about books electronic documented oh child, But yes, now
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  Speaker 3: there are electronic documents and access points and all kinds
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  Speaker 3: of things where you can look this up and say hey.
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  Speaker 3: And there are all kinds of things that we take
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  Speaker 3: into consideration, Carlos King. We put on the table and
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  Speaker 3: we come up with a reasonable figure. They include the
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  Speaker 3: following the actual medical bills. So like you say, let's
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  Speaker 3: say this actually happened. Let's say you're which means you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna have a literal receipt, ma'am of what the cosmetic surgeon,
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  Speaker 3: cost of what your primary care visits, cost of what
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  Speaker 3: your medications cost.
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  Speaker 5: You see, I'm saying all of that.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna add all your bandages and dressings, your nearest
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  Speaker 3: foreign ship.
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  Speaker 5: I don't add it all up. Put it all on.
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  Speaker 3: The table, Carlos. Now this is the nickel and dime
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  Speaker 3: lawyer in me, coming out girl play. You've got a
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  Speaker 3: band a bitch, Put it on the table. Skin flash
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  Speaker 3: color that's more expensive.
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  Speaker 5: Put it on the town. Okay, So that's after.
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  Speaker 2: So were not half a bad day a beauty uh coloration,
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  Speaker 2: makeup child?
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, boom.
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  Speaker 3: So that's one column of expense, right, actual medical expenses. Now,
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  Speaker 3: let's say you did lose your job behind this, Okay, ma'am, respectfully,
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  Speaker 3: let's go on the high end. You're doing private security
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  Speaker 3: for an upscale building of this magnitude. Let's just say
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  Speaker 3: she made two to twenty five a year. Let's just
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  Speaker 3: say that. Okay, so we're gonna put that on the tail.
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  Speaker 3: Then let's say you're traumatized. Let's say you gotta see
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  Speaker 3: your therapist for more frequent basis. We're gonna run that
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  Speaker 3: up at best at best at best, at best three
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand dollars four hundred thousand dollars at best.
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  Speaker 3: So now that you're talking about anything over a half
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  Speaker 3: a million. And that's, by the way, just so you know,
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  Speaker 3: when we come up with these numbers, Carlos, we add
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  Speaker 3: everything we can conceive of you. That's why I'm being funny,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm being kind of This is really how it goes.
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  Speaker 3: You stretch the limits of possibility to bring all future
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  Speaker 3: medical Let's say the scar gets infected and you got
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  Speaker 3: to cut the thing back.
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  Speaker 5: So you put all that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is how we do. This is what we
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  Speaker 3: do in the war room, Carlos. Those of us lawyers
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  Speaker 3: go back to Scandal. You know how they had the
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  Speaker 3: war room with the gladiators. Same thing, every case, every
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  Speaker 3: case we handled this way. A good lawyer, you conceive
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  Speaker 3: of the biggest number you could conceive of, and then
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  Speaker 3: you multiply it by three. Why three for the damages themselves,
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  Speaker 3: the attorney, the third I'm gonna take as the lawyer,
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  Speaker 3: and then the third for the taxes. Because you're still
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  Speaker 3: gonna get taxed on any settlement that you get or
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  Speaker 3: any damages that you received, you get your taxes taxable
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  Speaker 3: income not not out of ten times. Oh yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: great jumps learning today, baby, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah so so. But but but to stop you there,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm just so fascinated by this. The lawyer, whatever
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  Speaker 2: the judgment is, for the amount at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, just so we you know, for future references,
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  Speaker 2: the attorney, okay, does the law firm get a third
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  Speaker 2: or the attorney him or herself get the third of
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  Speaker 2: the thorough.
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  Speaker 3: Which could just be if I'm so over, if it's
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  Speaker 3: the law offices of ebid K Williams, ebidy K Williams
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  Speaker 3: gets that third. If it's Carlos King and Associates and
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  Speaker 3: you've got associates, the firm gets the third and then
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  Speaker 3: you pay, because that's how the legal partnership works. But
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  Speaker 3: the point is, one third of whatever the plane of
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  Speaker 3: gets goes to legal fees, period, because that's and that's
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  Speaker 3: the nature of a standard contingency agreement. One third goes
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  Speaker 3: to lawyers, one third goes to Uncle Sam, and the
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  Speaker 3: client gets what's left. And you want to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that number is high enough, Carlos to where there can
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  Speaker 3: be some real compensation. That's that's how we're thinking of
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  Speaker 3: this so again, I just put everything from the nearest
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  Speaker 3: foreign to the surgery, to the lost wages, to the
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  Speaker 3: therapy bills. I put it all on the table, and
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't get to more than three four hundred thousand.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it's times the three.
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  Speaker 3: And again, at best, you're you're asking four million bucks,
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  Speaker 3: maybe maybe a million point two five at best. So
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  Speaker 3: when you start talking about twenty four million dollars for
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  Speaker 3: even the most astronomical expansion of damages, you're operating in
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  Speaker 3: bad faith from a from a legal.
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  Speaker 2: Perspective, one of the things that I do want to
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  Speaker 2: talk to you about was the swort of behavior from
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  Speaker 2: the prosecution. The lawyer who cross examined Cardi B on
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  Speaker 2: the stand. A lot of people felt that his behavior
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  Speaker 2: as a lawyer was very negative. Some was the unprofessional allegedly,
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  Speaker 2: some people have said it was inappropriate. He asked her
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  Speaker 2: a series of questions about, you know, whether or not
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  Speaker 2: the woman in question who allegedly got assaulted, about her
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  Speaker 2: how big she was. He asked Party B about her raise.
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  Speaker 2: He asked Cardi B. What and now she's wearing a
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  Speaker 2: wig today? Her hair was sure yesterday. It seemed like
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  Speaker 2: this was a Saturday Night Live parody on Scandal, right,
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  Speaker 2: it didn't seem believable. And Cardi b who's a personality,
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  Speaker 2: gave the audience and the lawyer what he wanted, which
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  Speaker 2: was memes, reactions and everything else. What is your take
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  Speaker 2: on the behavior of this lawyer did Is this somebody
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  Speaker 2: that you think knew that.
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  Speaker 4: He had a tough case to present?
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  Speaker 5: So a few things.
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  Speaker 3: Number One, Carti is a pro and I'm talking to
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  Speaker 3: the king of reality TV. At least any of us
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  Speaker 3: forget before she was a Grammy Award winning artist. She
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  Speaker 3: was a reality TV star, which means she was a
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  Speaker 3: brilliant one at that, which means she is a what
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  Speaker 3: expert storyteller?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 5: And so much of what we do in the courtroom, Carlos.
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  Speaker 3: So much of who wins and loses in the court
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  Speaker 3: of law, it's about who tells a better story. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not saying it should be that way. I'm saying that
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  Speaker 3: is what it is. And so I think that this
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  Speaker 3: was an attorney who failed to do his due diligence,
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  Speaker 3: and I mean that both in the legal and cultural sense,
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  Speaker 3: didn't know who he was dealing with. From a Carti
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  Speaker 3: is as media trained as media savvy, and all of
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  Speaker 3: this is this.
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  Speaker 5: Is just what the court of law is.
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  Speaker 3: In many ways, Carlos King is just an amplification or
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  Speaker 3: even a condensation rather of public opinion of the court
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  Speaker 3: of public opinion. So you just scale that down on
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  Speaker 3: an intimate level and you've got an actual court of law.
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  Speaker 3: Carti is not going to be any less effective on
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  Speaker 3: that stage. Pun intended that she's going to be as
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: effective when the cameras are up for love and hip
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: hop than when the cameras are off for the grand
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: same thing, same skill set. This case, this trial called
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: on the same skill set that Cardi B has been
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: perfecting from her YouTube days.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: So we're talking about twenty years, see what I'm saying.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: So that's what I do.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: I think this.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Attorney was entirely out of his league, failed to properly
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: educate himself on the savvy and the skill set and
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the brilliance of what this witness, this defense witness, was
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: going to bring to this cross and ended up doing
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: themselves tremendous disfavor. Like you said, only made themselves as
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the attorney look unprepared, inadequate, caught off guard, and kind
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: of having to stand in your own shit. You made
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: a shit sound week that you intended to deliver to
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: the defendant, Cardi B and your ass had to eat it.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: That's what happened in this trial, from my opinion, and
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: one of the first things we learned in law school
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: calls king when your whether you're on direct exam you're
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: asking the questions first, or you're on cross exam, as
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: we saw with Kurty and this lawyer, never ever, never, ever, ever,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: ever ever in your life ask a question you don't
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: already know the answer to.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Never. Yes, I even knew that watching Gather Law in
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Order LA Law. Like, sorry, I'm screaming, but yeah, it's.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: True because it's triggering what you know, what what what
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: is culturally ingrained in us to know about how these
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: trial lawyer roles go. And so you forgot the first
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: The first thing must be first, Carlos, and you forgot
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: the first thing never, and that's why you wound up
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: surprising yourself. So no, I think Cardi gets all the
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: credit here. She was absolutely brilliant on that witness fan, the.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: All of it. It was all brilliant.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: And I also just kind of want to say substantively,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: she really came from a strong argument point Cardi. I'm
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: saying because I and any woman on that jury, mostly
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: especially any that have carried and delivered a baby know
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: just how vulnerable and delicate that moment is.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Less you, uh baby libity.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: They know how delicate and vulnerable that moment is, Carlos,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: when you are pregnant with your first child, especially your
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: first child, any child, but your first child, as Cardi
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: was in twenty eighteen, your huge celebrity, your global phenomenon.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: So you do what you're supposed to do, which is
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: exercise all of your assets of protection and privacy. The
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: medical facility cooperates with you, shuts the whole place down,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: so you could have that privacy and respect the tenderness
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: of your early trimesters of pregnancy, which we all know, Carlos,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: kN and tell that baby is at least I want
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: to say, it's twenty seven weeks twenty maybe it's twenty
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: two weeks, but closer to twenty seven weeks.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: What we call having viability of life outside of the uterus.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I can't explain to you how delicate that moment deals
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: as somebody who's carrying their child, because I remember it
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: like it was yesterday, and I am, as the great
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: nan Leak says, known, not necessarily famous, but I am known.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Nimi. So as a.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Numb I got tip of this.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Oh my God, shout out to miss Leaks. I appreciate
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: being known for some people. I'm serious, child, So.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Anyway, as somebody known, Carlos, stay with me. Now what
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I was in my early stages of pregnancy. I certainly
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: wasn't going to have the hospital or the facility shut
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: down for me, but I, you know, have a little
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: baseball cap on, trying to keep it low key because
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: you know, twelve thirteen weeks pregnant, keep it cute wanted.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Of course, you know, my pregnancy wasn't known until I
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: was about to pop, and that was by designed You
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: and I discussed it. You were one of the first
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: people to know I was with child.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Ch'a.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I took my little black ass in that in my
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: OB's office, trying to be incog negro.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Here comes somebody y you own the breakfast.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Club, and then they walked away and then turned around
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and said congratulations.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Now it was sweet. But when I tell you, my heart.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Saint, my heart saint just now and I'm not pregnant.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because now people can know. Now the information is
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: not contained. Now anybody could do anything with it, and
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: even if nobody even means you any ill will like
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: the security guard said, oh I just got excited and
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: I did it. Ain't nobody ask you all that. What
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: you need to know is that it still a violation.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: It's still a violation, and it's a violation such that
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: it becomes totally understandable and reasonable that Cardi would have
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: a reaction to that that would be hostile. So before
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: we get to the did she lay her hands on
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: the woman or not? Did she actually spit and make
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: physical contact with the women or not? The premise is
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: set up, Carlos, so that Carti in this circumstance is
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: extraordinarily sympathetic.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, And listen, everything you're saying makes a
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: lot of sense.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: It was a four day trial.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: The jury deliberate, Sorry, the jury deliberated for less than
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: one hour.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Okay, just know exactly what type of time they were.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: On that was.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: That was obvious what the outcome is going to be.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: But Ebony a question for you. While the deliberation was happening,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Cardi b went outside and she was confronted by a
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: paparazzo who asked her, Look, you're pregnant.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Is the baby, offset is the step fan? What's going on?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Cardi B took a marker that was from somebody and
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: threw it at this paparazzo and said, respect women pretty much,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: you know, gave him, you know, some some tongue lashing,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: and went about her business. A lot of people are like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Carti B. You are on trial ful assault, Why would
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: you do this? Talk to me about that? Because the
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: prosecutor tried to tell the judge what happened outside, and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the judge wasn't here for it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: But it did raise the question ebidy K Williams, and
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I did want to.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Ask you if you were Carti's client and you saw
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: her do that, would that make you nervous in the moment?
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: So a few things.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: If I were Carti's attorney, I would advise my beloved client,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: miss Cardi B, to not throw things, and let's keep
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: our hands to ourselves, and let's not even to the
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: point you're alluding to. Carlos gives the impression that we
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: even have violent tendencies, but people are human, and Carti
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: gets the benefit of being so well known to where
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: people generally can put in context her reactiveness. So if
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: you or I Carlos were somewhere and we throw a
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: pin at somebody, I think that would raise eyebrows because
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: people don't know us necessarily to be hyper reactive. They
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: don't have a context for us in that way. So
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: that would be like, wow, if you were bold enough
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: to throw a pin into a crowd of folks with
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: the cameras running, what are you like behind closed doors?
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Carti gets the benefit of.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Us having a pretty damn good idea as to what
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: she might be like in a more closed door setting.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: She is impulsive, she is reactive, So do you see
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I'm saying it's a nuanced point, but I think it's
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: an important one that she actually gets. I would be
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: less concerned if Carti be as my client did that,
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: then I would be concerned if you were I did that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: I do want to ask you this.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: So Carti, the after she was found not liable for
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: this particular situation, she did go back outside and spoke
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: about what happened. One of the things she said that
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I do want to talk to you about because although
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you're not famous, you are known, we love you. Epany
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: has the best. I really listen, I'm gonna sidetrack a
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: little bit. I really hope that you guys have y'all
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: told me personally. But I love the fact that y'all
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: get to see my friend Ebony her glory because she has.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: A sense of humor.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: She I know, y'all, I know some of y'all thinks
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: she's so serious whatever, Epany is a foot That I
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: get to show my friend in this light means the
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: world to me because she is buddy af to be.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: But okay, Carti B.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: After she was filed not libel, she thanks her supporters.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: She called the lawsuit frivolous, but she also said this,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and you are a public figure, and I want to
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on this.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: You are famous and you are a lawyer.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Cardi B emphasized that she would not settle with anybody
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: because she's a celebrity, and she warned people against filing
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: frivolous lawsuits against them, noting that she works hard for
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: her money and that she will countersuit if this happens again.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on that?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Because some celebrities do feel like because I'm famous for
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: all of the purposes. I have some money that people
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: are going to file frivolous lawsuits that has no bearings,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: no truth in it, just because they want a payday.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Do you think couch assuming will scare these people away? Yes?
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: And also, first of all, I love that Cartis said this.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: I love that she said this, and I love that
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: she said this in this moment immediately following this verdict
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: that was so favorable to her. And let's be clear,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Carti's has some momentum behind fuck around and find out
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: with Cardi b baby when it comes to this court
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: thing better as Tasha Kay very seriously, and she is
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: doing what most celebrities in her position Carlos King will
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: not do, which is make the time. Carti said, period, Die,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to make the time to play exactly the
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: games y'all want to play, meaning I'm going to come
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: to court, I'm going to put on my wig, my outfit,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna raise my hand on the Bible, I'm gonna testify.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do the thing that y'all are counting
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: on me not doing, which is half legal. Follow through
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: same thing with Tasha Ka all this, most people would
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: have got that verdict, multi million dollar verdict around Tasha
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: k owing her and went on with their not went
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: on with their business. Now, Cardi Carti's where's where's the
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: updated hearing so we can find out her current financial status?
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: And she's on it like clockwork every six months because
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: she actually it is to collect. Oh that's okay, Oh
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: hold on one, saying Carlos.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: Last you get this?
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, No, it takes time.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Not should have broke the good dip teeth baby god damn,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: like mama got that much grigy. So yes, I love
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: that Curti did this, Carlos, because this sends a message
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: that Carti is not the one to be played with.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: And she said it flat out.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: We saw similar messaging from jay Z with Busby, you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: but he said, not only am I not going to settle,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I'm actually going to come for you and your ability
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: to practice law in these cases. So I think whether
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: it's a counter suit, whether it is challenging the other
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: sides lawyers around their credibility to practice, I think that
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: type of punitive counteraction is very important because it sends
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: a message, Carlos that they are not sitting ducks to
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: just wait and be targeted for payouts, you know, and
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I think it's very important and I respect it, you know,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: like Carti said, And whether she works so hard for
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: it or not, it's her money period. It's her money period.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: People are not entitled to in contrary to popular belief,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: and it is long as enough celebrities Carlos are willing
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: to not make the time to go to court, not
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: make the time to file the counterclaim, not make the
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: time to put on their clothes and go down to
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: the courthouse and testify in their own defense on their
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: own behalf, and they feel that it is easier and
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: quicher to just write the check, which is their prerogative.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: But you will.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Continue to see a cycle of civilians that see that
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: as a right opportunity for a quick payday, and some
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: will succeed. From what Cardi B said clearly and loudly
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: today is that she will not be the ATM. So
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to get somebody else to do it,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: because Cardi B is not in the business of doing quick, fast,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: easy paydays.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: And I respect her greatly for it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Last question for you, Ebanie, what advice do you give
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: public figures, celebrities or a person who has means when
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: they are confronted with a situation where they feel like
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: they may have to defend themselves but also do not
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: want to be in a situation where they can get sued.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And what some people again are calling a frivolous case.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: What avice do you get people? Should they ignore and
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: move on? Should they have bodyguards with them? What do
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: you think?
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: This is a tough call.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: It's a personal call, right, you know, if you can
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: afford the guard situation, I think that takes care of
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of it. Had Cardi had her own kind
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: of security with her, had Cardi had her own personal
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: security with her that day, I'm certain that person would
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: have been able to fend off this security of woman
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: and her claims and maybe wouldn't have gotten to this.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: But two things to that point, though he agrees with you, yes,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: something to say, don't she goodness, She's like, maybe I
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: want to be a security guard.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: I don't know, Chia, wait wait on it.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: But but here's where I'm careful about. Here's where I'm
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: careful Carlos about advocating for that as the answer A
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: that's an extraordinarily that is an extraordinarily expensive endeavor to
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: constantly have security. So a that is an extraordinarily expensive
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: endeavor to constantly have paid security with you twenty four
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: to seven around the I don't care who you are.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: And secondly, I think that's that's a precedent that if
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: you're if you're wealthy and or famous, that you somehow
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: must bear the constant burden of never being able to
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: have any type of expectation of privacy. And I simply
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: don't believe that. I simply don't believe that, Carlos. I
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: get that that people are going to be interested in
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: your life. That is part of the price that any
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: of us pay that do our lives in a public fashion.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: But I don't believe that the price has to be
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: so exorbitantly high simply because one has a talent or
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: a gift or something to offer to the public that
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: now you must sacrifice any sense of autonomy and ability
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: to be an individual with privacy and protection. So and again, again,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: it's personal and it's different in every case. I could
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: see where somebody like Beyonce it makes more sense for
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: her to.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: Have a Julius at all times.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: But I could see, you know, I live in New
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: York City, you know, you've lived here, You live in Atlanta,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: you live in la you live in Miami. You know
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: you we see all the and I'm not talking about
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: just known figures. I'm talking about a listers on the train,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: walking down the street, walking to Whole Foods, traded, Joe's
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: getting a smoothie, and they get to do that. So
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: my advice would be, figure out how important it is
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: to maintain some level of autonomy and privacy and consistently
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: that's a key word. Consistently. Move according to that, move
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: according to that. When it comes to engaging directly with people,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: whether it's paparazzi or just nosy people in public, I
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: think you got to really kind of figure out how
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: far you're willing to go around that. I personally don't
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: advise a lot of direct contact and engagement. It's one
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: of the things I love about New York. People tend
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: to mind their business, you know. But if somebody decides
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: they don't want to mind their business, then you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: you kind of have to move accordingly. And I'm not
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: afraid of, you know, availing to law enforcement in those
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: kind of situations. And listen, I don't take that likely,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: you know, it's black people in America.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: You know, we know this. Sometimes when we invite law enforcement,
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: that can be its own problem.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Right, Seriously, we got to talk about this family, but
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: ultimately I'm going to defer that out rather than me
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: sitting up here trying to go toe to toe hand
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: to hand contact with an individual off the street.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's a big choice.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: And everybody gets to do that how they want to
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I got from it is what
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: you said. At the end of the day, do what
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: works for you. But everybody deserves their privacy. Yes, your
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: public figure, you deserve your privacy and you deserve your
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: personal space.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: So I understand that. I get that. Ethnick Kay Williams.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I thank you so much for hopping on this again
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: your council baby Liberty.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Yes, this little girl is doing too much.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: One more thing I did want to also say before
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: we wrap, Carlos that I love please. That I thought
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: was very much a class act and an important step
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: for her to take because of her responsibility as a megastar.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: She also asked people to do this, lady, no harm.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: She said, do this lady, Yes, I thought. You know
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: what's so funny I'm blake brought that up. That was
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: a takeaway for me too, like leave her alone, don't
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: do don't do her no harm.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Justice hasn't served. Let's all go out and just mind
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: our business.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: I could not agree more. I thought that was stellar.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: I that was chef's kiss.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Not that I wasn't already a Cardif fan, but I
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: walk away from this whole trial even more so because
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: of the person that she showed herself to be throughout
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: this entire thing. Charming, engaging, funny, but when at the
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: end of it all stood on business, absolutely stood on business,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: but still with compassion and empathy that this is a
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: human being. Even if she was out here trying to
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  Speaker 3: get a quick payday. She played herself, she didn't play me.
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  Speaker 3: And so now we're gonna move on and we're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna harass her. We're not gonna harass her family, or
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  Speaker 3: her children or her parents. Were to let this lady
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  Speaker 3: continue to live. Don't play with Cardi though, but let
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  Speaker 3: her live, and anybody else with any bright ideas about
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  Speaker 3: coming to play with me up around and find out
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  Speaker 3: it was it was perfect.
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  Speaker 4: Could not agree.
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  Speaker 2: Mark I, that's honestly my favorite part of the speech
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  Speaker 2: because it shows the level of integrity that she had
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that this woman also was not going
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  Speaker 2: to be you know, accosted, yes, and in salted as well,
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  Speaker 2: So no kudos to that.
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  Speaker 4: Kudos to you, Ebony, Kudos to you, Baby Liberty.
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  Speaker 2: And the best part about is that the that the
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  Speaker 2: range jobs love Ebony before I let you go. They
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  Speaker 2: love when they get a chance to see you be
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  Speaker 2: a working mom because it's so relatable to the world
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  Speaker 2: and my audience. So we love when Baby Liberty makes her.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we love it.
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  Speaker 2: We love it so know that is actually it makes
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  Speaker 2: it makes the women who are the listeners, like Ebony
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  Speaker 2: is one of us.
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  Speaker 4: So kudos to you.
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  Speaker 5: I love you, Carlos. I love the rain drops.
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  Speaker 3: I love that we get these opportunities to have these
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  Speaker 3: conversations rooted in law and pop culture.
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  Speaker 5: And also our friendship.
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  Speaker 4: So you're the best.
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  Speaker 5: My love till next time.
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  Speaker 2: Till next time, baby, love you, love you, Bye bye bye.
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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,
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  Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.
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  Speaker 4: With the Lack Effect Network.
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  Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at
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  Speaker 1: the Carlos King Underscore,