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#460: Generational Perspectives, Anxiety Dreams · Pod Therapy

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  Speaker 1: That means a lot and the guy's like oh no
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  Speaker 1: problem no problem he goes no it really is a
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  Speaker 1: lot to me because like i'm halfway home and and
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  Speaker 1: i didn't have any anywhere to go whatever the guy
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  Speaker 1: goes yeah no problem no problem but um you wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be interested in a blow job would.
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  Speaker 2: You oh nice nice yes he goes no he goes
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  Speaker 2: well it didn't hurt to ask he goes no well
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  Speaker 2: you have a good one buddy From fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada,
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  Speaker 2: that's Jim, that's Whitney, I'm Nick. It's time for some
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  Speaker 2: Pod Therapy. Well, hello, everybody, and happy Halloween week.
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  Speaker 3: As you're hearing this episode, it is Halloween week. We
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty excited about the costume choice that we are
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  Speaker 3: my daughter decided to go with Shrek. But she has
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  Speaker 2: So she's middle school.
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  Speaker 3: So she's done with like, this is committed to like Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to look like the real character. She's
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  Speaker 3: finally turned to that corner.
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  Speaker 2: She's going to really slide it up a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But she's going to be Shrek. So I am being Fiona.
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  Speaker 2: I love you, Slutty Shrek. Yeah. And then my wife's
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  Speaker 2: going to be Lord Farquaad. I'm just saying, Jim, if
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  Speaker 2: you let your daughter go as Slutty Shrek, coolest dad ever.
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  Speaker 2: Not that cool. Coolest dad ever. Turns out, don't care.
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  Speaker 2: That's relative, apparently. Coolest dad ever.
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  Speaker 3: So happy Halloween week. We are excited to welcome you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's because Nick got his feelings hurt. And
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  Speaker 3: But today, we have got some great questions and some
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  Speaker 3: great Halloween-based trivia that Jim has got for a little
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  Speaker 3: showdown for the trivia breaks.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty excited about it. It's all Halloween. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be fun. Actually, bad news about this
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  Speaker 2: next question. We actually don't have time for it. Oh, shit.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to go right to the trivia. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: have to bump the next question.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry about that, everybody. Oh, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I did not realize how perfect this question actually is.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do this. Understanding childhood through a generational lens. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there you go. I thought about it while we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about it because I remember the question that got
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  Speaker 2: bumped last week. Oh, it was this one. It was
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  Speaker 2: this question.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I figured that was the one that was coming.
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  Speaker 2: What a perfect lead-in. Okay, well done. This really worked
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  Speaker 2: out for us. Hey, everyone.
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  Speaker 3: I've rewritten a question I submitted earlier about Gen X
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  Speaker 3: and Millennials.
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  Speaker 2: Hope that's okay.
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  Speaker 3: I've been thinking about generations lately, specifically Generation X and Millennials,
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  Speaker 3: and differences in cultural and socioeconomic capital. Do you, as therapists,
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  Speaker 3: notice differences in the problems different generations bring to therapy?
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  Speaker 3: How they approach solving them? Or even which kinds of
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  Speaker 3: therapy and therapists they're drawn to? But here's what I'm
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  Speaker 3: especially curious about.
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  Speaker 1: How do you.
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  Speaker 3: Distinguish between experiences that reflect the culture of the time
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  Speaker 3: and experiences that were genuinely harmful? For example, the older
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  Speaker 3: I get, the more I realize how much my upbringing
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  Speaker 3: in the 70s and 80s shaped me. Like many Gen
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  Speaker 3: X kids, I was largely left to my own devices.
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  Speaker 3: I received little guidance from parents about education, careers, or
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  Speaker 3: navigating adulthood, and no significant financial or practical help. I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't particularly close with my parents either. Growing up in
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  Speaker 3: a small town, before the internet was widely available, I
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  Speaker 3: knew little about careers or possibilities beyond what I encountered
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  Speaker 3: around me. There was also much greater independence and less
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  Speaker 3: supervision in and different social norms around dating, alcohol, and
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  Speaker 3: teenage freedom. When I compare this with some of my
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  Speaker 3: younger millennial friends who grew up in the 90s and
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  Speaker 3: the aughts, the differences are startling. Many had parents who
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  Speaker 3: helped them navigate education and careers, offered financial support, and
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  Speaker 3: welcomed them back home when life got difficult. Obviously, I'm generalizing,
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  Speaker 3: and family circumstances and socioeconomic differences matter enormously, but I
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  Speaker 3: still wonder how these generational experiences shape us psychologically. Does
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  Speaker 3: it become more challenging when therapist and client come from
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  Speaker 3: different generations? How do therapists make some their.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure. Make sure. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: They're understanding someone's childhood within its historical and cultural context
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  Speaker 3: rather than unconsciously applying today's norms. And finally, as clients,
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  Speaker 3: how do we avoid either judging the past by today's
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  Speaker 3: standards or overlooking something important because that's just how it was?
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to hear your thoughts. Signed, TheropodX. This is
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  Speaker 3: so apropos.
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  Speaker 2: I like it. Apropop? Is that how it's said? I
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  Speaker 2: think so. I've only ever seen it in writing.
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  Speaker 1: The 2000s pop?
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  Speaker 2: This is a great question. It is.
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  Speaker 3: I would love to look at a side-by-side list of
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  Speaker 3: cultural norms that just different generations might identify with. Because
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  Speaker 3: like we talked about in the pre-show- Jacob, you identify
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  Speaker 3: kind of right there on the hinge.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an Xennial. Xennial, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then you and I are firmly in the elder
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  Speaker 3: millennial category.
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  Speaker 1: Elder, yes.
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  Speaker 2: I do believe that.
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  Speaker 3: Because I think it's a 20-year swath on average if
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  Speaker 3: you're not getting down to it.
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  Speaker 2: If you had electronics as a child, I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the big thing.
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  Speaker 3: The internet, I think, was a great separator. Yeah, technology adaptation.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, cultural norms, too. And so, like, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like elder millennials also have some, like, experiences that we
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  Speaker 3: relate to with Generation X. Like, one thing that came
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  Speaker 3: up for me as I was reading that letter toward
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  Speaker 3: the end was where the writer said, the difference between
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  Speaker 3: things that probably did have an impact on me, but
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  Speaker 3: my brain says, well, I don't know, that's just how
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  Speaker 3: it was. Like, one thing that popped up in my
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  Speaker 3: brain was discipline. Like my kids have never been hit.
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  Speaker 3: And in this generation, their peer group, it is really
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  Speaker 3: abnormal to hit your kids. Like that is really like,
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  Speaker 3: the general wisdom of this generation of parents, like me,
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  Speaker 3: the millennials who are now parenting, is like if you're
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  Speaker 3: at the point where you're hitting your kid, you've probably
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  Speaker 3: failed more than they have. Like you're lacking good structure,
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  Speaker 3: coping skills. Like you've run out of plays in your playbook.
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  Speaker 3: And so you're like dropping down to caveman mode. But
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  Speaker 3: when I think of my childhood, That was almost every day.
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  Speaker 3: Like I was a kid with ADHD.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: A lot. There was only one solution. It was almost
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  Speaker 2: every day.
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  Speaker 3: You know, sassing off in the back seat and like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to stop this car and beat the shit
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  Speaker 3: out of you.
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  Speaker 2: Like, okay, here we go. Now you're crying. If you
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  Speaker 2: don't stop crying, I'm going to pull over and hit
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  Speaker 2: you again. Pull over, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I don't look at that as traumatic because I like,
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  Speaker 3: pure members of my generation would be like, yeah, that sucked.
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  Speaker 3: You know, or like going to pick out a belt, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like knowing that you're going to get whipped
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  Speaker 3: when dad gets home. Like just that is one little
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  Speaker 3: marking that I think of as like, I think that
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  Speaker 3: fits in this letter.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Did you get spanked?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is there like any gender like thing tied to this?
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  Speaker 1: Cause I feel like I definitely not. I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: ever being hit. My mom told me.
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  Speaker 2: I know that SJ did. I know that her parents
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  Speaker 2: spanked her.
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  Speaker 1: Really? My dad did when they were still married. I
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  Speaker 1: was probably three or four and wouldn't stay in my
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  Speaker 1: bedroom or whatever. Toddlers do, and so my dad was
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  Speaker 1: whooping on my house. My mom's like, okay. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't have a memory of doing that. But my brother
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  Speaker 1: did get whooped a lot, and I think I watched
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  Speaker 1: that and was like, I don't want that.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it was expected that you would spank boys.
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  Speaker 3: I think the prevailing wisdom was you're making them weak.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't, like something bad would happen. Spare the rod,
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  Speaker 3: spoil the child.
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  Speaker 2: In grade school, I don't think that's what that saying means.
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  Speaker 2: I think I've been told that's not what that saying means,
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  Speaker 2: because that's what I always thought it meant.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what they used to justify.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember what it was. Sorry, that just tickled
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  Speaker 2: something in my brain.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I remember definitely in grade school,
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  Speaker 2: because there was paddlings.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, we talked about this in school.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get the paddling.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And my mom did not want teachers hitting me And
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  Speaker 2: so there was a note in some file at some point.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know when that note ran out, but it
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  Speaker 2: ran out at some point. And I think some teachers
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  Speaker 2: just didn't give a shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, I'm whooping you.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. They didn't call down to the office and
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  Speaker 2: be like, hey, is this kid have a note in
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  Speaker 2: anything saying that I can't beat him? Because I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to beat him. But the girls would definitely get it
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  Speaker 2: just as much in grade school as I think by
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  Speaker 2: the time we hit middle school, though, by the time
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  Speaker 2: we hit like, sixth grade, I feel like the girls
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  Speaker 2: stopped getting the padlins.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And the boys, we kept on getting it. We kept
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  Speaker 2: on getting, like, you could do... Sometimes they would even
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  Speaker 2: give us the option.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They would do, like, you could do, like, an after-school detention,
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  Speaker 2: or you could take licks.
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  Speaker 1: Licks, yes.
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  Speaker 3: And.
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  Speaker 2: Listening to, like, looking back on adult men, always adult men.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Explaining to 13-year-old boys.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That they can either, that they can choose between the
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  Speaker 2: punishment of, like, wasting their time after school. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Or.
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  Speaker 2: Take licks.
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  Speaker 1: Take three or four right here.
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  Speaker 2: It was always three.
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  Speaker 1: Three. I was going to say I can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: It was always three licks. And they would refer to
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  Speaker 2: it as licks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Let me read you a couple of things that AI
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  Speaker 3: gave me as maybe ubiquitous Gen X childhood experiences.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see if we relate to this. The latchkey routine.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say being left alone was what
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  Speaker 1: stuck out to me in this.
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  Speaker 2: I just watched a big thing about the latchkey thing.
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  Speaker 2: Let's come back to the latchkey thing. Someone talk more
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  Speaker 2: about the latchkey thing.
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  Speaker 3: The latchkey thing is coming home to an empty house
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  Speaker 3: and dealing with time on your own.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's always been viewed as like a negative thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I just watched a big video talking about the
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  Speaker 2: latchkey thing. There's several different people discussing it with each
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  Speaker 2: other and going back and forth about it. And it
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  Speaker 2: kind of hit kind of how I feel about it,
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  Speaker 2: which is it taught us independence.
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  Speaker 1: You had to figure shit out.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't... It was never a bad thing. Like, I
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  Speaker 2: would get home and I... For you? For anyone that
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  Speaker 2: I knew. Okay. Like, it never was... I mean... I
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  Speaker 2: say it wasn't a bad thing. It didn't feel like
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  Speaker 2: a bad thing at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Now, maybe we missed out on something. Well, this is
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  Speaker 2: the essence of the letter. The person writing the letter
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  Speaker 2: is like, what's the difference between what I went through?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we missed out on something. Maybe we didn't. But
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  Speaker 2: the feel at the time was, this is fine. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't good or bad. It was just how things were.
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  Speaker 2: I would get home, and it would be at least
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  Speaker 2: a couple of hours until anybody else was going to
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  Speaker 2: get home. That meant that... If I wanted something to eat,
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  Speaker 2: I had to deal with that. Right. If I was
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  Speaker 2: going to get my homework done, I had to deal
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  Speaker 2: with that.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: If I didn't have my key to get into.
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  Speaker 1: The house, I had to deal with that.
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  Speaker 2: You had to deal with that. I had to deal
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  Speaker 2: with that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. God.
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  Speaker 2: I could climb into a window. If it was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the house out in the woods, like, I could get
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  Speaker 2: a ladder and I would leave my bedroom window unlocked,
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  Speaker 2: which is on the second floor, and I could get
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  Speaker 2: a ladder and lean up to the side of the house.
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  Speaker 3: You sound like a really resourceful kid, but as a
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  Speaker 3: dad of children, I'm hearing this and going, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 2: But that's just it. This kid is climbing into a
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  Speaker 2: second story window? That's what this whole thing was talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that thing sounds like crazy.
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  Speaker 2: They were just talking about how, like, for some reason, like,
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  Speaker 2: the children of that generation... just wrap their kids in
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  Speaker 2: bubble wrap.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And part of it is societal change. Yeah. Part of
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  Speaker 2: it is certainly societal change, but also, like, with the, like,
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  Speaker 2: late Gen X, Xennial, whatever I am, one thing that this,
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  Speaker 2: that these, that this group was talking about a lot
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  Speaker 2: was going through Reagan, going through, like, that's the time
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  Speaker 2: period that we're talking about. Right. Is Reagan and then
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  Speaker 2: Bush Senior. Yeah. And trust in Teenagers was going down.
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  Speaker 2: These were the years of like, don't hitchhike. That's just
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  Speaker 2: a murderer. All the teenagers are on drugs. They're all
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  Speaker 2: melting their brains on drugs. This is your brain. This
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  Speaker 2: is your brain on drugs. Nancy Reagan, all the stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And so that was the thing. It wasn't really about
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  Speaker 2: being latchkey kids. It wasn't about being alone. It was about...
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  Speaker 2: All of society telling us that we were terribly untrustworthy.
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  Speaker 2: Which is where Generation X comes from. Yes. It was
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  Speaker 2: an insult. We were just completely untrustworthy, and we were
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  Speaker 2: sitting in our houses by ourselves going, I guess we're untrustworthy. Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I guess this is it. And now, an interesting thing
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  Speaker 2: that they talked about that came out of this was...
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  Speaker 2: was Gen Xers are very self-reliant.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they kind of disappear into the background. That's
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  Speaker 1: the thing, because they.
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  Speaker 2: Solve a lot of their own problems.
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  Speaker 1: They have no needs in theory.
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  Speaker 2: But then when they do work, they're usually in a
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  Speaker 2: leadership role. That would make sense. They're usually like, they
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  Speaker 2: are a disproportionate amount of like CEOs and that kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Or managerial positions.
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  Speaker 2: Also aging into that at some point too. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: part of it.
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  Speaker 3: But okay, so, and this feeds back into the letter
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  Speaker 3: of like, okay, so, you know, different kind of predispositions.
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  Speaker 3: So the latch key routine was a Gen X thing.
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  Speaker 3: Streetlight curfews, you know, Geordie Common one. Shared analog media.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't have streetlights.
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  Speaker 1: I was just going to say you're in the woods.
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  Speaker 2: How cute you guys are.
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  Speaker 3: Shared analog media. Navigating family landlines. No caller ID.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, sure.
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  Speaker 3: Requiring polite conversations with friends' parents whenever you'd call to
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  Speaker 3: check on them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Rewinding rented VHS tapes. I remember that. If the phone rang,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: I was allowed to answer the phone. And if I
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: answered the phone, I had to answer it. Smith Residence.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Householder Residence. That's right.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: I remember that. I feel like the rewinding the VHS
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: tapes would be like Nick's grocery cart.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: He will kill somebody over that. Recording songs off the
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: radio on the cassette tapes.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. I did that. But the video stores
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: would just charge you so much money. They would just
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: make it financially prohibitive. Yeah, that's right. They punished you. Yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: Unsupervised conflict resolution, settling playground disputes, rules of street games,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: and pure conflicts with no adult mediation or institutional intervention.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Yep. Jungle law. For sure. Jungle law. Biggest kid makes
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: the rules. That's just how this works.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Or the mob.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily biggest kid. Mob justice. But definitely mob rules.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Mob rules. Yeah.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: The millennial childhood experience. Dial up internet dawn. Okay. So
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: the beginning of getting onto the family, internet connection, AOL
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: and all that. AIM messages, away messages, burning custom CDs.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: We definitely did that.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: All this.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Structured playdates with schedules. Growing up with adult-coordinated playdates.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe younger adults.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Organizing travel for sports leagues.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: That I'll circle back to.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's definitely true for you.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: I have some thoughts on that, yeah.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Extracurricular enrichment rather than just free-range wandering.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Starting to fill that up, yeah, for millennials.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kids aren't just.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Set loose on the community. It's more like, we go
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: to soccer. We go to this, okay.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Classroom tech.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: So Oregon Trail, computer labs. Game Boys, you know, things
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: like that. And heightened safety culture. Again, this goes back
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: to your point, Jacob. Stranger danger campaigns, zero tolerance for
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: disciplinary things, bullying, shootings at school becoming terrifying, 9-11 creating
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: like a culture of like, safety blow the whistle there's
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: bad people watching like you don't deserve privacy there's.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: So many things that people are that we've just been
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: told to be scared of for so so long they
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: used to do fucking color alerts every week like we're
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: at level threat level orange yeah like what quick give
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: us some more rights yeah okay take them i'm not
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: using them it was crazy so therapeutic when i just
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: found out about this last week uh you know when
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: they when they're like shocking somebody with it with it
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: like an ad or with like the paddles or something
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: they yell clear yeah uh you know why do they
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: yell clear To get off the person so you don't
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: get shocked.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: How many recorded instances are there of someone getting shocked
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: from touching a body that was being shocked?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I've never even used or seen anyone use that thing.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Well, it might also be you're drawing away the ampage
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: that we need for the heart.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: That's the thing, I guess. I've always been told that
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: it was like, don't touch it. Don't touch that body
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: because you're going to get shocked. I don't think there's
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: enough in there to kill the next person. That was
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: always the fear.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Don't touch them because we're trying to save their life.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: So therapeutically, this is a really good question. Humans seeing
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: things through their generation, I think, is an important part
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: of culture. And we do a lot of training to
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: think about what is the impact of culture on our patients.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: But I feel, and I've talked to my grad students
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: about this too, a lot of times when we talk
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: about culture, we only, in grad schools at least, or
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: at least in popular therapist parlance, We almost always just
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: mean race. Like it's just, okay, how much melanin's in
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: your skin?
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. But like culture is
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: generational culture too.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Sure. And like understanding the experience of somebody who may
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: be a baby boomer or maybe generation X or maybe
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: a millennial or generation Z and the way they hold
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: values or the experiences they've had, I think that's really
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: important to being successful in treating them.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: So how confident, like, or how much do you think
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: you take into account? I think it's fundamental.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Like if you're talking to somebody and they're 15 years old,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: you assume certain things about their lived experience that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't assume are 50, 40. But what about somebody
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: that's older than you that has a lived experience that
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: you don't? I'm going to draw from my understandings of them.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: So if I'm talking to somebody in their 50s or
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: 60s or 70s, like I was talking to, I have
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: a patient in his late 70s. And like I know
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit about what his experiences are, but I'm
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: constantly reminded of that as we talk. Like little things
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: will be revealed in our conversation. And I think at
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: one point we were talking about scary things that have
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: happened in the world. And I'd said, oh my gosh,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: can you believe these last few years, right? We had COVID,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: we had the banking crisis and housing and 9-11. And
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: he's like, I dodged the Vietnam draft. And I'm like, yeah, okay.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: You've had a very different experience than my shit.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: He's like, I watched a president die. There's scary things.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, there's fundamental differences. I don't think
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: you can approach a person if you don't have some
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: kind of theory of what their mind is like. And
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I think that requires generational understanding.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Do you... Are you active? Do you think that you
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: were active at all with that? Do you try to
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: make that the forefront of your thinking with the patient
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: at any point?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, at certain points, sure.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Not always. And what are those points? That's where I'm
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: trying to get to. Yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I think about a client I had, she was in
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: her 60s or early 60s, and we discussed her parents
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: were much older. She was the youngest of some kids.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: So her parents were much older than other kids her age.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: And so she talked about challenges with having older parents
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: in the 60s growing up. And we talked a lot
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: about what they would have gone through in her parents'
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: childhood and how she had a lot of difficult times
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: becoming an adult and why that was based on the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: approach we took was more Understanding that the way you
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: were brought up, whether that's generational shared experiences or whether
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: that's your parents affecting you based on their generational experiences
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: or personal experiences even. But how do you hold space
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: for this affected me maybe negatively? But I'm also going
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: to hold space for my parents maybe deserve some grace
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: there because they were doing the best they could. And
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I say that because a lot of therapy kind of
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: does reflect back on our parent-child relationship. That's the biggest
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: experience we have more than those shared generational experiences is
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: that direct. impact from our parents or a guardian. And yeah,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I think we focused a lot on that. And I've
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: seen some really great progress, even when I have clients
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: who have maybe kind of toxic, I might be overusing
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that word, but I'm gonna use it for generalizing here.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Some toxic parent, I really don't want to encourage things
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: like cutting your parent off or anything drastic like that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It's more like, hey, this is your space to be like, man,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: that was fucked up, this thing my parent did. And
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I was really hurt by this. And they still hurt
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: me sometimes by this. So I'm going to adjust. I
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: may not call them as often. I may not give
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: as much as I have been. But also, my parent
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: is just doing the best they can, even if they
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: are narcissistic, because narcissists have their own wounds. That's why
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: they are the way they are. Yeah. So I think
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that Just like discussing that with them is important and
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: just their own experience, but also really questioning and encouraging
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: them to see things from a nuanced perspective as best
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: as they can.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I think knowing your parents' generational truth is good information.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: It's good context. Kind of goes back to the conversation
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: we had, I think, in a previous week about like
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: explanations versus excuses. Like, no, the way you treated me
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: and the effects that had on me is still something
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I get to live with.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: But I also don't want to villainize you as somebody
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: who knew better. Like whenever you compare like our parents'
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: generation to their parents' generation, it's night and day. Like,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, my parents, like I look at what they
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: came from and I think, oh, you're both heroic.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: You're amazing.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: And I also fully like have this understanding that I've
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: tried really hard at parenting and I am 100% confident
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: that my children will eventually be telling a therapist like, hey,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: he dropped the ball in a lot of important ways
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: that he's oblivious to. And when we bring it up
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: to him, he's defensive about it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: And he's like, well, I.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Thought I was a good dad. And like, I'm sure
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I'll fall into the same exact, you know, pitfalls. Yeah.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: And like, I feel like that's sort of a perpetuating
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: reality of families.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: So like, I'm not ignorant enough to think that that
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: won't happen. But even though I think every generation kind
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: of does try harder and probably climbs a lot of ground.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: But understanding like the generational truth that your people come from,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I think is really important. Like the writer asked, is
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: it harder to work with somebody that's not of your
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: same generation? And I don't know that it is or isn't.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I'll sometimes struggle.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Well, you work with younger people, don't you?
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I do. I work mostly with. Yeah, like young adults,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: some late teens. And that's tough too because some of
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: these young adults, their parents are maybe close to my age,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: like in their 40s, especially if they're not doing a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: great job. They might have their kids really young and struggled.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And so it's weird listening to them share these stories
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: about their parent. I'm like doing the math. I'm like,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this girl's 19 in front of me.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: And like, yeah, her mom's like 41 or whatever. Do
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you have trouble.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Relating to them? Because you're fun. You're a fun person. 40-something.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: What I feel and sometimes worry about and try and
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: be very attuned to in those sessions is that there's
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: not any type of, like, parental transference going on there. Like, oh,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're thinking that or not. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: guess maybe I'm aware for myself, too. I don't have kids, obviously.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: But I do feel a little bit, I feel that
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: maternal urge to be like, oh, I'm just sorry you
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: had this difficult.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Experience and you want to hug them or whatever and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like I can't I'll just sit back here and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: listen and talk through it but um I think maybe
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I feel that more with them um and Just kind
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of just being very empathetic toward them, just understanding and validating.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: That's the word I want to say, more validating. Because
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: their parent or whoever is affecting their life is very
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: invalidating typically.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I think it doesn't have to be the case that
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: seeing somebody in your own generation is the ideal therapist fit.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. would understand. It's less translation that you have
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: to do. Yeah. I think that's fair. I get that.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I always wonder that what people are looking for when
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: they look, because if you were just back in the day,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: especially just looking at a picture now, you can upload
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: videos to Psychology Today and all kinds of stuff, but
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: when it was just maybe a picture and a little bio,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it's like, I wonder what What people are choosing, they're
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: seeing your picture and they're choosing off of information they're
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: getting from that.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Which I think they're making a lot of assumptions about us.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And like they should. And I think that's fair.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, that you're white, you know, or that you
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: have certain experiences or that you write where you went
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: to school. Like a lot of people make a lot
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: of judgments about me because I list a religious university.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Okay.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: You know, and like that's going to happen. So, like,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: I think the essence of what the writer.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Is saying— Also, fair. Yeah, fair. You should be able
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: to do that. By the way, yeah, like, fair.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I probably break the mold more than, you know, I
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: conform to it. But, like, you should assume I do
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: conform to it. Like, that's for your own protection. And,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, what it does is it gives you an education. Like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Liberty University— I know you went to Liberty University, so
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you believe.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you learned there. What I believe
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: is right. That's what you're making. Sure. But I do
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: know at least one chunk of what you've been told. Yes.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: The correct parts. Right. The parts that you, a sinner,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: have rejected. That's right.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I can't fix that, buddy. I can
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: only dip my finger in the water and offer it
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: to you whenever you are in the.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Flames of hell. Or this is a test and you're
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: failing it.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: You undercover Jesus. You son of a bitch.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: See his long hair?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: He's been growing it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: It's been one set of footprints the whole time. You
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: deep undercover, man. One set of footprints. Really deep undercover.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: The whole time. Didn't we all have that poster at
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the church? You keep trying to sell me acid.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: The one footprints on the beach. Yes. I was carrying you,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: my son. Yeah.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: So I do think that generational coincidences help the therapeutic alliance.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I definitely think it can be a challenge that needs
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: to be overcome and I think you have to be
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: really careful, and I'm sure you relate to this too, Whitney,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: of never assuming that you know too much about another.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Person's lived experience.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Just ask some questions.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Ask questions.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Dig around.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Be curious.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: And I've found that when I talk to older or
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: younger people, if I just take a posture of curiosity
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: and don't stereotype them, they're really excited to tell me
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: about things that I don't know.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Well, Jacob gave a great example earlier when he was saying,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: you know, I was home alone. I did all this,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: climbed in my window when I was locked out, and...
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: it was great or, you know, it was fine. It
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: was just, it was what it was. And you said
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: for you, because I would ask that, Oh wow, was
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: that really lonely for you? And you might be like, no,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: actually I, I just did my thing when I got home.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And in my mind, if you're my client, I'm, I'm
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: checking a box there. Like, and you know, maybe I'll
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: circle back to other things. Cause sometimes clients come in
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and that doesn't feel like a big deal until you
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: dig around to some other stuff. And you're like, what
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: is it? But, um, most of the time it's like,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to take you at face value. And,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: We won't dig around there right now. Let's talk about
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: other things.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: And I mean, and it was, it was a little
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: weird because it was like, would, would be in school
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the next day. And that was like the discussion in
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: school the next day was partially like. What did you
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: do when you got home yesterday? Right.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, like with your friends, you mean?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: No, we'd talk. And you'd just talk about like, here's
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: what I got done. Yeah, like, oh, I did my homework.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: But we all had basically the same layout. Whitney, you
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: want to know what I did after school?
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Pop-up video. VH1 pop-up video. That is what I was
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: doing after school. That was all the rage.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Or Total Request Live.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You didn't watch Total Request Live? No, I don't think we,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't that on MTV? Like, didn't you have to have
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: that extra?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: We got cable TV when I was in high school.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So until then, we had like the four channels, or three,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I think we had like three and a half.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I think I had to go to a friend's house
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: who had the fancy TV for that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So you just like stared out the window and watched Hummingbirds?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe in high school we got it. Yeah, we moved
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: when I got into high school, so maybe we got
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it then. No, I spent, yeah, my mom worked till
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: 6 p.m. when she got home at 6, and she
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: left early in the morning. I even have a funny
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: story where I had... to put my own hair in
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a ponytail one day, and there was, like, hairs hanging down.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: My mom wasn't there to, like, help me put it up.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: And I was like, man, so I just cut them.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Because I didn't want them there. I was probably, like,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: 7 or 8.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I was just like, well, I don't need these there.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: My mom was like, what?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Those took a while to grow back. Yeah. You need those,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: it turns out.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: But I was on my own. I walked to school
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: in the mornings, to my elementary school, and you walked
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and you met your other friends who walked with you.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: We had weird experiences being alone as kids. My cousin
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: set the garage on fire because we discovered matches. And
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: so we were like, these are pretty great.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Groups of kids alone, unsupervised, isn't the same thing.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I think alone, nothing's happening. I'm just eating my snack
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and watching TV or whatever. Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's interesting, though. Like, I had some VHS tapes. Like,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I'd put in a VHS tape and watch something. Like,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: that'd be my big activity.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: What was the youngest you were and left completely alone for,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: let's say, longer than a couple of hours? Not just
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: mom and dad run to the grocery store, but, like,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: it's going to be a while.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: My mom was gone a lot, and we had sitters.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And like, they would stay with us, but I just
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: can't remember because my mom was gone. I can't remember
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: who was there with us at certain times. For sure,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: when my mom started traveling when I was like 16
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: or a teenager, I would just be at home by
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: myself for a week or like days. I mean, would
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you leave your 16-year-old home for like four days?
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: No.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Not in 2026. Not anymore. No, I would
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: be left at home at the very least for a weekend.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, weekend, easy.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: By the time I was 16, easily. No, it was
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: definitely before that, because I remember.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I remember being left home alone for multiple days at
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: a time when I just had a bike. And so
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: if I wanted to go to the grocery store, that
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: meant that I was hauling something home on a bicycle.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Or I could get to– there was a Blockbuster video
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: close enough that I could bike to it. Yes, we
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: had one a mile away. And I could go– I
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: could get some rentals. It was there for us.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Did you get the popcorn? No. I love the bucket.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Popcorn from Blockbuster. Especially not with a bike. You can't
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: carry a bucket on the bike. That's insanity. Anyway, so Ryder,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I think that the feedback... I didn't have a basket
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: on the bike. I needed a basket. I was just
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: holding it. You didn't have a backpack? You just wear
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: a backpack.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Where you'd hang stuff on your handle and your bike
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: was all wobbly.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's pretty cool. That's pretty hardcore. You must have
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: been a good bicyclist. Oh, I was a pretty good bicyclist.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I believe you.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But what do you think about the last question, though?
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: As clients, how do we avoid either judging the past
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: by today's standards or overlooking something important? Because that's just
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: how it was.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I go back to the whoopings thing. I feel like.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: If something doesn't affect you... See, but that's the question, though.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't think it affects you because you've normalized it.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: And that's how a lot of abusive relationships are, too.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Somebody's just like, oh, yeah, this happens. Then somebody else
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: is like, what?
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Also, isn't the point of parenting to affect someone? Sure.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: So you're being raised. Like, affecting someone is the goal. Yeah.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Punishing them. I guess that's a tricky question. Yeah, you're
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: trying to affect them.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: So, Whitney, I'd be curious how you'd interpret that. Because
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: for me, I kind of look at it by the
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: spectrum of, like, does it cause a clinically significant amount
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: of distress... But then I feel like in some work,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: humans are living their life a certain way and they
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: have these like blind powers that are pushing them in
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: certain directions. And then whenever you sit them down and
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: really deconstruct it, the light bulb turns on and they go,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: oh my God, like I just realized I behaved this
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: way because my mother treated me this way and that's
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: shown up in all my relationships. And like it didn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: bother them, but they were bothered by the pattern. And
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: now they go back and they deconstruct it. Now they're
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: kind of bothered by the reality of the original thing. So, like,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: it kind of aligns with this question of, like, so
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: how do we, like, judge that? Like, do we look
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: at it and say, hey, look, that's just the way
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: it was back then? Or are you allowed to, like,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: quantify the effect this has on you? And I think
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: you're allowed to judge any fucking thing if you want to.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I agree. I think you can– I think both can
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: kind of exist. Can't you judge it and decide– Again,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: depending on the situation, I'm not talking about severe physical abuse,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: things like that. I think that's different. But I do
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: think in some ways, mental health wise, like if somebody
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: is just okay and they really seem like, yeah, my
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: parents spanked me and it just, yeah, they couldn't control
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: their anger, but that's how my dad is. They just
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: can't control their anger. and that's not really permeating other
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: areas of their life.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: You don't have to make it an issue. Yeah, you
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: kind of don't have to. I never want to see
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: that in therapy. That's my personal maybe hot take.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, I agree with you.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: A lot of therapists are out there running around with
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: solutions looking for a problem, and.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be fixed.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh, no, that was bad. That was an
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: extreme trauma.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Don't you realize that you were X, Y, and Z'd,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: and it's like, I'm fine. It doesn't really affect me.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not carrying a lot of anger about that. I'm
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: sure that it's... affected the way I interact with other people,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: but I'm fine.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I have a cousin like that. My uncle, her
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: dad was really physically abusive to her and her siblings.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And what happened was she ended up going on to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: go through, in my opinion, worse things as a young
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: adult into her late twenties. And so healing after that, she's,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: you know, 40 now. But watching her heal from that,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: she looks back and doesn't agree with the way her
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: dad treated her. But they have a relationship now. And
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I personally am always like, how can you? And internally,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, how can you have a relationship with him?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: But I'm also like, this is all relative to her.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: And probably him abusing her is what led her, in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: my opinion, to some of those other bad experiences. But also,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: that is just her life experience now. So for her...
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: If she looks back and says, well, my dad did
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: care about me even though he beat the shit out
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: of me a lot. I still love him and want
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a relationship. Who am I to say no or try
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and convince her otherwise?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I believe there were people who, in my peer group,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: there were definitely kids that got hit more than they
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: should have gotten hit. And even at the time... It's
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: not just spanking. That's it. Even at the time, it
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: would have been considered... maybe not even abuse, but like it.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Would have been considered... You'd have to go to anger management.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: There would have been something. But there were also people
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: who raised their children really well and with lots of
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: love and with lots of caring who also spanked their kids.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: And like, I don't know. If you ask me like,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: would you rather your parents spank you or would you
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: rather they say mean things to you?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Studies show.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: That's the thing is I'm like, If every time your
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: kid does something wrong, you give them a fucking backhand
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: across the face, that's not great. But if every time
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: they do something wrong, you say, I fucking hate you.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: You're stupid. That is going to do real harm.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't fucking know.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: So I think that my answer to that is, I
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: think any person, if they decide that this offends them,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: this bothers them, or this has an effect on them,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: They're allowed to bring that to the surface and talk
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: about it in therapy.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I think therapy is the place where we qualify it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I think that's where it should be. Yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I think as a therapist. You can talk about the nuance.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: There's no rule across the board. And Whitney, I'm with you.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I want to have a very light touch on it.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I want to be very careful not for you and
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I to therapeutically put our thumb on the scale and
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: start regress dreaming on people and being like, oh, this
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: was a huge thing.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: You don't understand the effect it had.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: That is our responsibility to some extent when we can
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: see that thread to gently pull it. But I think
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: it takes a really, really moderate approach not to necessarily
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: shine a light on things that the person is well-adjusted
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: about that doesn't really affect them. Or if it does,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: allow them to right-size that and qualify it and then
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: to walk away from it if it's not that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Big of a deal.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how I did that. Sorry.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what you did. Anyway.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Ryder, thank you for this question. I think it really
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: fits really well with today.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Great topic. It just all worked out together. But thank
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: you for that.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: And glad that this is something you're cracking open and
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: always appreciate you writing in. We're going to take a
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: quick break, and when we come back, we are talking
• 37:42
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• 38:05
  Speaker 3: we've got some Halloween trivia.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: True.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Here we go. And I'm going to start with Jacob.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Also true. He gave you his answer already. This is it.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: In John Carpenter's 1978 horror masterpiece, Halloween, the crew needed
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: a cheap mask for Michael Myers, which famous actor's face
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: was purchased for less than $ 2 from a costume shop
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: and spray-painted white.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: William Bill Shatner. That is correct. It is correct.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: The production crew bought an official Captain Kirk mask from
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Star Trek, widened the eye holes with scissors, tore off
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: the sideburns and spray painted a fresh tone of stark white.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: To create the shape.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Wow. Once you know it, you can kind of see it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to go look now.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say once you know it,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: you can't unknow it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you were going there too, but now
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I will look.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: It's still hard for me to see it, though. If
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I kind of look for it, though, you're like, oh,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: there's a cheekbone or something.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that looks like I'm kind of.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. That was a Shatner mask. Okay.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Shatner.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Whitney.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Whitney. Yes.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: In the 1993 Disney Halloween favorite Hocus Pocus, Max lights
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: the black flame candle to resurrect the Sanderson sisters. According
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: to legend, what is the candle made from?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Also William Shatner's face. I mean, it's an option. Do
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: you want options?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Options.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: The options are black poppy oil and beeswax, fat from
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: a hanged man, melted tombstone sulfur, or William Shatner's face.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Ooh, a D.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's the D.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: The D.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: It's always the D. Will Shatner's D.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: What was B?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: B is fat from a hanged man.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: But that's wrong. It's not a hanged man. It's a
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: hung man. A hung man. Yeah, it's fat from a
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: large penised man.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of fat in there.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: That is correct. B, Fat from a Hanged Man. Astonishingly
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: dark piece of folklore from a PG Disney film down
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: straight from historic 16th century European witchcraft mythology known as
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: the Hand of Glory, a.k.a.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Whitney's nickname at the trailer park.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Don't be jelly.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Back to Jacob. For a good time, call the Hand
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: of Glory. The Hand of Glory.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Not to be confused with the Glory Hole.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: She has lawyer commercials in the background. Don't have a
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: bad handy. Call Whitney, the Hand of Glory. Pew, pew. Pew, pew.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Back to Jacob.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Jacob, in the meta-horror opening of 1996's Scream, Ghostface torments
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Casey Becker... With horror trivia over the phone, Casey is
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: murdered after incorrectly answering which question about Friday the 13th?
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Options.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: What weapon did Jason use first? What is the name
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: of the camp? Who was the original killer? What year
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: did the boy drown?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Was it C? Was it who was the original killer?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: That is correct. There you go.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Casey screams Jason Voorhees, but the original 1980 killer was
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: his grieving mother.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: This is Pamela Voorhees. That ugly bitch. Oh, that's right.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Over to Whitney for the tie. In Tim Burton's 1988
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: comedy fantasy Beetlejuice, how many times must someone say the
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: bioexorcist's name in succession to summon or banish him?
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's an easy one. Three?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Now we're tied. Fuck you. What's his middle name?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Beetle J.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: All right. Fine.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Tie game going into round two, which I will save.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: We each got one off the coffee. Yes. Nice. Very
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: well done.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I never get those.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Anxiety dreams.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Hey guys, it's Tess, your favorite Canadian annoyance here. Quick
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: update with life stuff in general, still waiting for our
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: insurance to pay us for our belongings. And I can't
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: thank you guys and the community enough for your assistance
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: on the GoFundMe because it helped us survive over the
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: last six months. Couldn't have asked for better people to
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: call my friends.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Love you all.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Onto my question. I have a new depression slash anxiety symptom.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Hooray.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Over the last few months, I've started to experience anxiety dreams.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: These are different from stressful nightmares or scary dreams in general.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Those are ones you wake up from and have a
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: moment of fear and then remember it is a dream
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: and you calm yourself and go back to sleep. The
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: anxiety dreams usually focus on an everyday task or subject
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: that would normally be mundane, but the dream feels real
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: enough that when I wake up, I can't tell if
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: it was real or not. For example, I had one
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: recently where I dreamt that a good friend reached out
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: to me to give me shit that I was so
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: into my own drama that I hadn't checked in with
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: her in a long time and she was mad at me.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: This friend would never do this, but the dream convinced
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: me that it had actually happened. And when I woke,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I panicked and checked my messages frantically to get back
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: to her and apologize only to find no such message
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: had ever been sent.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Ooh. I've had ones where even though work is caught up.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: You see, it was actually his mom in the first one. Ah,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: that's right. It was her mother.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: And I've had situations where even though my work is
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: caught up and my schedule is set up properly for
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: the week, all of a sudden work shit hits the fan.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Everything has gone wrong, I haven't updated clients or co-workers
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: or sent proper documents, etc., and everyone at work is
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: angry with me and I can't get my head above
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: the water. Only for me to go into work the
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: next day thinking about all the things the dream told me,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I forgot to find everything is normal and everything is fine. Mostly,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: the dreams focus on something I have forgotten or some
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: imagined slight or mistake I've caused which results in people
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: mad at me, stress levels rising, or being swamped with
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: too much on my plate. As you know, things aren't
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: great for us right now, but in general, days are
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: ticking by like normal. The new temporary normal, but normal nonetheless.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know where these dreams are coming from, but
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: they are seriously messing with me. I find myself kind
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: of not wanting to sleep because they are almost a
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: nightly occurrence. Unlike normal nightmares, because these dreams convince me
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: this has actually happened. I have a very hard time
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: shaking it off and moving on. Like some part of
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: me believes I've still forgotten something. I'm going on six
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: months now and I'm on that new medication and no
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: other symptoms have cropped up. In fact, I was quite
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: pleased with how mundane things have been. If you don't
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: notice it working, it's working, right? Could this be a
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: symptom for my medication? In essence, my question is, what
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: the fuck, man? I appreciate any advice. As always, looking
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: forward to our next game of Who's in My Mouth.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Love you lots, Tess.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: If you'd like to play Who's in My Mouth with
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: their producer test.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Go to ScoopFest.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: ScoopFest 2027 will be happening in fabulous Las Vegas, Nevada
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: in June.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: And people can buy their tickets where? HeyScoops.com slash ScoopFest. HeyScoops.com.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Slash ScoopFest. You can also get hotel rooms at the
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Golden Nugget Hotel and Casino. Very good price. A very
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: reduced price. Yes. And no, what's the thing? The resort fees.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: So I was looking up the prices. I'm sure they
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: will change. But when I looked at them, I could
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: not believe the discount. It was phenomenal.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: No, it's actually, it's genuinely a very good, it's like
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: 50 something dollars for all the nights except the two
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: weekend nights. And then it's like a hundred.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: You are not staying in Las Vegas.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Golden Nugget.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: And the Golden Nugget's so fun.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, so much fun. Beautiful hotel. It's like in the
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: middle of Fremont Street. Yeah, it's a whole thing. Great time.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And you get to put stuff in Tess's mouth. That's right. So,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: It's just a bonus.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which every ticket to ScoopFest comes with that, so.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: It's implied. Well, it's in the fine print, so. The
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: real fine print. So these are tough, man. Jesus.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about dreams in general? And I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: say this because it's funny. I had my personal trainer
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: like a week or two ago ask me that. He goes,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about dreams? He knows I'm a therapist.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: So he's like, what are your thoughts about dreams?
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Anti.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I do. No thanks. Tap out.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I'm against them.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I know. But I thought this was a funny question
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: because I almost feel like, not that the writer is
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: saying this, by the way, but not that Tess is
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: saying this, But I think it's almost like a kind of, again,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: a trope with therapists like, oh, interpret my dreams. We're
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: always interested in what the dreams mean. And on one hand,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: I do think Tess brings up a good point that
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: sometimes our dreams are an expression of what's going on
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: in our real lives. Or it could be part of
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: the medication. She's not totally off on that.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Or both.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Or both. Um, but the fact, the idea that your
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: dream specifically means this one thing or, you know, what
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts about this?
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: I do think that the meaning of dreams is a thing.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's what Freud said.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think you can get down to every like
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: little literary figure and symbol in the dream. And it's like, oh,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: you were holding this object. That is, it's always a penis.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: You know, and like, you always want to bang your mom.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Not everyone has that.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like it's always part of it. But no, I
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: do think that plots and dreams... Wait, everybody wants to
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: bang Jim's mom? I mean, yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: That mom?
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Freud's mom specifically. He always wrote that in his books.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Does she have a beard?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Everybody wants my mom and I'm fucking sick of it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: This world is so crazy. Have some cocaine. Got a
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: hot mom. It's your cross to bear, Sigmund.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: No, but I think that Tess's dreams have a plot.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And I'll.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Bet that is a very personal truth to her. It's
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: one thing if you're having a dream that aliens come
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: to kill you, but it's like in your average day-to-day life,
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: you're not really concerned about aliens. She's dreaming about friendships
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: falling apart, people being disappointed in her, letting people down.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Her being too much. I have too much shit going on. Girl,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you got a lot of shit going on.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: You do have a lot of shit going on. You do.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: But I'll bet you you're right. I'll bet you that
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: those dreams are meaningful and very true and not random dreams.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you've noticed this in your life.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: I've noticed this in my life. Like I will have
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: these kinds of anxiety dreams or nightmares where I will
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: wake up and like, I really relate to tests where
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not convinced this didn't happen. Like I've had dreams
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: so real that like I've had other dreams in the
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: future reference those dreams and me think that the whole
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: thing is real. And I've had to like sit down
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: and like contemplate my reality. There's been times where I've
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: thought that totally happened. And then I've had to like
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: go back and be like, No, like factually, that doesn't
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: add up.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, this happens to me... What Tess is describing happens
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: to me... I don't dream often. Okay. But when I dream,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: this happens to me. And I still vividly remember the
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: first time it happened to me. I was a kid,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and I had a dream about getting a toy that
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I wanted.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's disappointing.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: And like, yeah, I was... It wasn't even that I was...
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: upset the next day. I didn't understand it.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: You're just confused.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Where's my toy?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I was like.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? We didn't go get that toy. Yes,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: we did. Why are you telling me that we didn't
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: go get it? I remember going to the store. I
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: drove myself there. I'm 15. I have a receipt.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: With my gun.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I robbed that store. But no, if I do have dreams,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: and I don't sleep well, I don't really dream much,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: but if I do, being affected by them is something
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: that I really relate to. I don't know how much
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: they are... Windows into my subconscious or any of that. Yeah. But, like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: if somebody's mean to me in my dream or if
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I'm mean to someone in my dream, I feel bad
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: the next time I interact with them. Yeah. Because, like,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: that's just stuck with me.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: And I have to continually remind myself like, no, no,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: that didn't happen. That's not real. That didn't happen. That
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: person is not angry with you. They're fine. They don't
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: even know that you think anything about it.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know if I've ever maybe one time
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I've had a dream like that. I don't think so.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: The closest I've had to that is.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: This is me learning right now that this doesn't happen
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: to everyone, by the way. Yeah. No, I relate to you.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: She's the weird one. Yeah, yeah. So far, Tess, me, you,
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: we're all on the same page. That's true.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: To be fair, I don't have a lot of anxiety
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: dreams in general. I have weird plot line dreams that
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is just, why am I dreaming about this?
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: This is weird. Last night, I had a dream about
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: people from high school were in it. I'm like, I
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: haven't talked to that person in 15 years. Why are
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: you in my dream? You know what that means, though?
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: You're gay.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Oh. Bingo. Figured it out.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: One to hit Sigmund Freud's mom. Thanks a lot, Tess.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Good luck.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think the closest I've had to that
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: is I did wake up once crying, like tears coming
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: out of my eyes because I was having an intense
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: dream and it felt real in the moment, but I
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: woke up and knew that it was a dream. I
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: wasn't like, this really happened, but that's the closest I've
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: come to that. That was a weird, one of the
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: weirdest times, but I don't have a lot of those
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: anxiety dreams, thank goodness. Okay, what about common dreams? Because
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I used to, I haven't in a long time, used
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: to all the time have dreams my teeth were falling out.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Like that's a common one, right?
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I had a reoccurring one and it still hits me
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: every now and then about giants.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, giants. Oh, buildings falling on me.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: That's one.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Like just looking up and the building slowly falling and
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: then I wake up. Yeah.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I think I've had the go to school without your
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: clothes on.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, without your clothes on.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Where like you're in between classes and you got to
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: get to the next class and you suddenly realize you're
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: not wearing any clothes.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, how do I, what am I
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: supposed to do? How am I supposed to get to
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: the next class? That's a recurring one I've had. The
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: answer is always start jacking it.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: You dominating them.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, that happens when I wake up. Like, oh,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: this is my favorite dream. Do you ever lucid dream?
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: I lucid dream sometimes.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Drew, tell me about this.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Where you can control your dream.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I've never been able to do that.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Honestly, at this point, because it almost all the time,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: if I'm dreaming, I'm lucid dreaming because I'm not deeply sleeping.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, this makes sense.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: And so like, It means that I'm annoyed in my
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: dream on top of whatever is going on because there's
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: a part of me that knows that I'm not sleeping well.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're pissed.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is stupid. And that doesn't help. The thing
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: he does in his lucid dream is go to sleep.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: It's like, find a bed. Dreaming in the dream. Like,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: we're going to bed. That's what I'm going to do.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I have control of this dream. Like, the first thing
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: that I willingly change, like, makes me realize, fuck, I'm
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: lucid dreaming. Mm-hmm. And that means I'm not really sleeping.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And I know I'd rather be sleeping. I just want
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: to sleep.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Damn, that's bad. But I do dream if I do, usually,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: besides that weird high school one I just talked about,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: if I'm thinking about someone or something, like a friend,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: usually within the day before, I will dream about them
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: if something's really going on. So they will appear in
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: my dream.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: But I've had dreams before where the thing came true
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: sometimes later. That was really weird.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: That's called a prophecy. What did you prophesy?
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I am not going to tell you that because it
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: was very weird.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: So the gas prices? You're the fucking one.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: You're welcome. I knew it. I've been saving. That's why
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: we bought our gas guzzler.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I knew this was coming. Living it up.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: But I do think if you have anxiety, you will
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: dream of anxious things, whether it's like I've had people
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: tell me that they had dreams of being chased by
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: wolves or, you know, I think. That represents anxiety. I
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: show up at school without my homework or without my
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: clothes if you're Jim. Right.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: No, but I think that this is a really common
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: thing because like, again, the anxiety profile that people with
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: anxiety have, like we don't all get anxious about the
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: exact same things. We all kind of have our own little,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: you know, herbs and spices. Yeah, yeah, you're all special.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: I'll bet that if we look deeper into Tess... That, yeah,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: if we sat down and said, hey, into her mouth specifically.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Like a scope? Yeah, yeah, yeah. An endoscopy of tests
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: to find out what's giving her anxiety.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Is it this giant tube with a camera on it?
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: What's in your mouth, Jess?
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Guess who's in your mouth, Jess?
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: No, but like, I do think that there's something that
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: harmonizes between like the nightmare slash anxious dream and exactly
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: the kinds of things that scare the shit out of you.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: And I wouldn't be surprised if the medication is playing
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: some role in this. I mean, I believe, thinking back,
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: I think that she's on some kind of SSRI. I
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: feel like that's come up in previous questions before. And
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: they were increasing the dose and she's had different kinds
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: of side effects and they had to add different kinds
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: of medicines to kind of augment one and subtract the
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: side effects she was having with other things.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Dreams are a part of medicine.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I definitely think so.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would not doubt if I was sitting
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: around looking at this, you know, kind of her prescription log.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: I would be looking at that and going, I would
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: not be surprised if something of this is affecting your dreams.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: It's creating like, you know, a semi lucid state or
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: like you're experiencing anxiety in this dream state because you're
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: not experiencing it in the real. And like, again, that doesn't,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: that's not something I think you're sentenced to have to experience.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: I think you can talk to your doctor about it.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: And sometimes they're like, okay, we're going to, you know,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: fine tune this a little bit more. But yeah, or
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: sometimes there's even medicines to.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Help with nightmares. There's always another pill, Tess. Over-the-counter fixes
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: for this type of thing, I've heard of... Whiskey? Just
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: drinking in general, of course.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: You'll pass right out.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: You can definitely drink yourself to no dreams. But I've
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: also heard about melatonin.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: For people that don't already have trouble sleeping, taking melatonin,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: and it kind of zonks them out a little bit
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: extra so the dreams aren't bad. I've seen that.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: You know, ironically, the alcohol thing, for me, if I
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: drink past a certain hour and then I go to sleep,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: I will be having nightmares. It is just going to happen.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Drink more.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: It is the worst. And it's always anxiety dreams. over
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: something dumb. It will be like this stupid thing that
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: I'm convinced in the dream really, really matters. And it
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: will be the dumbest thing. It'll be like, oh, did
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: you double park your car?
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Or something like that. And I'll be like, oh no,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: if this gets out, this will be the end of
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: my life. At the very least, it's going to make
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: your insurance rates go up. They're already too high. What
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: are we going to do?
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: I can't afford the gas plus double parking now. And
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: then like, it will take, like, I'll wake up And
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: it will take me a while because my brain will
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: understand when I'm awake. That is bullshit. That is not
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: a scary thing. But my nervous system is so activated
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: that I am still very much like, oh my God,
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's a thing. Whatever chemical dumped has
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: already happened. It's already in my blood.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's absolutely.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: So how do you cope with this?
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: More drinking. On one hand, you can maybe— I think
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: we've already said everything we can.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: You've maybe already done this, but talking to your medication provider,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's important to share side effects. If they're
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: starting to affect you to where you're saying, I worry
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: about going to sleep now, that's a big deal.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: No, no, fix this. Don't let your sleep get fucked up.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to Jacob.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Once your sleep gets fucked up, it just stays fucked up. Well,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: you're scared to go to sleep. Yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: One thing that has helped me, Tess, and I don't
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: experience these kinds of dreams as often as you are.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I'm also not currently on any meds. But in the past,
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: when I have been on SSRIs, I'm trying to remember
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: if I was experiencing... I just know that I have
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: had these dreams. And I know I had one in
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: the last month. And I remember.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Having.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: To spend some time the next day, like grounding myself.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I was just going to mention that. I'm glad you
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: said it because I was going to just suggest it,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: but it sounds like it was helpful for you.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I needed to do that.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Trying to take just two minutes to sit.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I had to reality test.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to spend some time like almost meditating
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: and just like. calming myself and speaking to myself rationally.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Letting the rest of your body know what your brain
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: already knows.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Reconnecting. Yeah.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Rebooting the system and like taking time. But like another
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: thing for me that really helps too, the morning after
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: kind of thing for me, Tess, is like sensory stuff.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: So like a hot shower, getting some cold air, like
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: doing something that connects me to my five senses, like
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: brings me back out of the dream state into reality.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: But something that actually helped me have fewer nightmares in
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: general is and I don't know if you guys relate
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: to this, I love going to sleep listening to podcasts
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: or YouTube running in the background. And I'll set it
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: to an algorithm of... For me, I really like science stuff.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: It'll be like cosmology. It'll be like, oh, suns are
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: made of this. It's just documentaries that are like, oh,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: how does light speed work? And I've accidentally learned to
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: lot and it's really funny because i've like talked on
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: the discord to uh our resident physicist uh alec lancaster
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: dr lancaster i'll have you know And, uh, you know,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: he has let me know, like he is pleasantly surprised
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: that he'll bring up something and be like, is that
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: like this thing? And he'll be like, how the fuck
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: do you know about that? And I'm like dreaming, I guess.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Like I, I believe some smart man said it in
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: my dreams, but I honestly, a lot of my dreams,
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: if I fall asleep to a podcast or YouTube video,
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: that will become like, I've had so many dreams of
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: hanging out with ice cream social.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I was just listening to it. You don't think that's
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: just because you're not quite as asleep as you would
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: be otherwise?
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know how the chemistry works here.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I don't have a nightmare. Oh, that's fair.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: And instead of whatever was scaring me, the dream that
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: I get to have is.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: You just get distracted by whatever it is. It ends
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: up being space-themed.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like your mind would have gone places that would
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: have been anxious and instead your mind was on.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Or I'll fall asleep to history ones. My dreams are
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: in the Roman Empire. And now I'm just in the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Roman Empire or whatever. But like I'll intentionally make sure
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: that the YouTube algorithm does not autoplay like scary stuff
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: because that will fuck me up pretty good. So that helped.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Do either of you ever do that? Do you fall
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: asleep to like videos or audios?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I do the same thing. But I think it's similar.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I do have a bit of anxiety of that. So
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like going to sleep when your mind normally
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: starts going through all the things for the day, I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: put in– Usually some commentary channel.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say murder. Others are
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: like live true crime or whatever.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I will listen to those too.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I will. Because their voice is just so calming. I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: like to dream. We need middle-aged white girls.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Murder mysteries.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I think true crime is part of that. But yeah,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I will do that sometimes. Or just commentary.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: There it is. Yes. Will Shatner's face.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Back in Iowa.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: To the edge of the woods.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: There it is. I mean, I'm falling asleep listening to.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: This, right?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: That's like a lot of time. I'm awake. White girl lullaby. Unbelievable.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: The music just makes it is.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: It's working for me.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: It's magic. No, I will do those sometimes. But usually
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: it's commentary because it's something I don't care about. If
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: it's something I care about, so I have to be
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: careful with the true crime.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: If I listen to those, it's one I've already heard before,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: so I already know what's going to happen. I already
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: know they die in the end. But yeah, I just
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: put my little AirPod in and turn it really low
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: to where I can still understand them, but not quite.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: And that helps me a lot because I don't dream
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: about that, and I don't really remember what I was
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: even listening to the next day, but it just helps
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: me go to sleep quicker.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: That's kind of how it is for me.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: It definitely helps me not think of other things, and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: then by accident, I will.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I wish that happened to me. Maybe I should try
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: listening to smart stuff instead of true crime.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Instead of true crime. Or like an audio book.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: Like I've done that before where I have a go-to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: audio book and I'll just turn that on and I've
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: literally woken up and have listened to the whole book
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: and I'll just start it over again.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. I was like, how do you know where
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: you left off?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: It's just for sleep. It's a book I've already read
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: before and I'll just play it again and again.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, for YouTube, I leave it.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: It's called The Bible. The greatest story ever told.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: That would put me to sleep because some of those
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: stories are scary.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: It's the greatest story ever told.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Scary for atheists. Really hope-filled for me, actually. I read
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: about it and I go, oh, good, everything works out.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I'm really glad.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I made the right choice.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Really glad everything works out. Well, until I realized Jacob
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: is Jesus. I mean, I didn't know that.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: This changes everything.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: It really does. I have a lot of questions, Lord.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: You see, whenever you weren't taking that acid, I was
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: taking it for both of us.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: He was hanging out with the horrors.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: The thing is, all those questions, I've got answers. All
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: you have to do is come to me and ask them.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Can we invite people to tag you on Discord with
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: their Jesus questions? Sure. I'm willing to answer any questions
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: that you have for Jesus. We will temporarily change your
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: name on the Discord to Jesus. You can permanently change
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: it if you don't like it.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Moderators, take care of that. And yeah, people can just
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: tag Jesus now in our Discord. For this episode, and yeah.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: His holiness will show up and answer your diehard questions.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: And as always, don't start none, there won't be none.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Matthew 22. Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, I remember that verse.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: There you go. It's that wrestler. Stone Cold Steve Austin.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Just kick your ass or something.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: 316.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: That's right. Stone Cold. John 316. I knew it was
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: something like that. I got there. See, I know about
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: this stuff.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: You were there spiritually way before we landed on it.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: So advice on this one. I mean, I guess, I mean,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: I have the advice of using the audios to help
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: fall asleep.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: I said talk to your doctor.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Definitely you should double check.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: And the grounding, what you said is what I liked too.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Kind of like checking yourself in the morning. Maybe make
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: that part of your morning routine before you start anything.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, like the fun example of this I was thinking
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: of earlier are sex dreams. Okay. So, like, if you
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: have a sex dream about somebody, the next time you
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: see that somebody, you know, that weird.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: Little recalibration thing that you do. And it's funny because
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: it's a sex dream. It's funnier if you walk up
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: to them and go, hey. So, are we going to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: talk about what happened? They're like, what? Like, you know,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: that thing that happened.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: You remember.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: It happened at that Alaskan cruise on Wednesday.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: What? What?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: We were at work on Wednesday. Huh.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly. One of us was.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Okay. See, the confusing thing is this is the same
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: reaction I get from people I do have sex with. Hey,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: we were going to talk about that thing that happened?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? What are you talking about?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: We were at work on Wednesday. Same response. Same response.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: It is confusing. Who is in my mouth, Tess? That
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: is the question. But no, like, you have to recalibrate. Like,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: you have that little moment of recalibration when you see them. Like, oh, right,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: they didn't have sex with me.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, change the narrative again.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, like, that's the fun example of it. But, like,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: you're just doing the same thing. Yeah.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, grounding before or after. I think grounding, like,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: with different storytelling or whatever to, like, get your.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: True crime podcast. True crime pod. Yeah, do that. Just
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: do that. Just do that. You'll be fine. Anyway, Tess,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: good luck. Looking forward to seeing you at ScoopFest in
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: June 2027. HeyScoops.com slash ScoopFest. ScoopFest! HeyScoops.com slash ScoopFest.
• 1:05:38
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• 1:05:39
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• 1:05:41
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  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: Me, goddammit. I brought you this, because Nick is a pussy,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: and he can't handle the sting of defeat in fantasy football.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: And I show up, okay? God, my back hurts carrying
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: this fucking show.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: 10 years I've been carrying this fucking show.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: So I guess Nick continued to get his butt whooped
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: at fantasy football?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: He is so bad at everything he does. Back to
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: some Halloween trivia.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: All right. Round two. This is the harder part, guys.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Round two. All right.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Jacob, Michael Jackson's 1982 smash hit Thriller ends with an
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: iconic bone-chilling spoken monologue and sinister cackle. Which legendary horror
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: actor recorded the voiceover in just two takes?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think... Shit, not Alfred Hitchcock. I think it
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: was Vincent Price. I think Vincent Price did that. I
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: think you want options. Do I? Okay, give me options. Well,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: it's not. I guess it's not. I guess it's not
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Vincent Price. No, it is. You just get one point now.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Because you're dumb and you took the options.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't ask for options. I think he said Vincent
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Price already.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: You get your two goddamn points.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Composer Rod Temperton wrote the spoken verse in a cab
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: on the way to the studio and Price nailed the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: entire recording in about an hour.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: You are correct. Makes sense. I've never even heard of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: this guy.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Who is this guy? Oh, he does... The SNL skit
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: about him is... That's the only reason I know him, honestly,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: is that SNL skit.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: He was like an old horror actor, aficionado.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Was he in Alfred Hitchcock movies?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know what all he was in. I mainly
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: know him from hosting horror movie things and that kind
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: of thing. But the castle, the... Drippy wet dungeons, the raven.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: He just has a distinct voice too.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Actually, I think there is a lot of video of
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: him just doing the Poe poem, the raven.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: So just the classic guy.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: He's creepy, but not in a typical way. Man away.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Okay. Back to Whitney.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: Rockwell's 1984 synth pop Halloween staple, Somebody's Watching Me.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Never heard of it.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Somebody's watching me.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I sing that to my cat all the time.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: There you go. Okay.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: She is.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: So when you see your cat looking at you, turn
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: around and sing to her?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I sing it out loud. I'm like, I'll be
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: your man.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Vincent Price was officially in over 100 movies. Somebody's watching me.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: He's in a lot of movies. That is a long resume.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Born in 1911. Wow. Yeesh. About generational shit. Yeah. He's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: Whitney, in Somebody's Watching Me, there is featured an uncredited
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: global superstar singing the paranoid chorus.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Who actually sings that hook?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I always feel like somebody's watching me. I mean, I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: guess options.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: I nailed it. I just fucking nailed it. Okay.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Nailed it. I mean, you could have been worse.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Your options are Prince, Rick James, Michael Jackson, or Lionel Richie.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I was going to go. Michael Jackson before I knew options.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I mean Michael Jackson, I guess.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Correct!
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Rockwell was the son of Motown founder Barry Gordy and
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: childhood friends with Michael and Jermaine Jackson. Michael agreed to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: sing the chorus as a favor while Jermaine provided additional
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: backing vocals.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: There's so many cool little things like that. You go
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: through music. It's like, oh, so-and-so did the backups for this.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: This person played bass on this track for this person,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: but they're uncredited.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: So many little quirks.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Back then, they just didn't care. It wasn't even that
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: far back. It stays pretty recent. There's a very famous,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I can't think of the name, I think it's a
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: funk tune that Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: plays bass on. And as soon as you know it,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: you hear it, and you're like, oh, that is definitely Flea.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: It's his style. But he's uncredited. Completely uncredited. That's awesome.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: There's all kinds of shit like that. Back when people
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: did favors. Or if somebody was just in the studio. Yeah,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: that's true too. You want to jump on? They were
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: just there. They were just laying around. Oh, like they're
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: hanging out. Yeah. Sometimes that's where the music happens. Back
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: to Jacob.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: Which artist wrote and performed the chart-topping 1984 theme song
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: for Ghostbusters, which later resulted in a copyright infringement lawsuit
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: from Huey Lewis?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Definitely not Huey. This is not Huey Lewis. Definitely not
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Huey Lewis. Give me your options.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Ray Parker Jr., Kenny Loggins, Stevie Wonder, or Glenn Frey?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Ray Parker Jr. Yes, Ray Parker Jr. Wow, I've never
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: heard of that. I was like, that's it.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: Parker was sued, alleging that the bass line and melody
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: directly lifted from Huey Lewis and the news hit Wonder,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: I want a new drug.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: The party settled out of court. I want a new drug.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: But it don't make me itch. Oh, wow. Yeah, that
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: is exactly it. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Huey Lewis
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: was correct.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: That is the right time to do that.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: They settled that, of course.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Immediately. Yeah.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: For all the money. Because he said, oh, you noticed that.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: You saw that I did that.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Great, great.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: He said, my plan was for you to not notice
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: that I lifted that directly from your song. But you
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: have now noticed it. All right.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: To the historical side, Whitney. Modern Halloween. descends from an
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: ancient Celtic harvest festival, marking the transition into the dark
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: half of the year, when the veil between the living
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: and the dead was believed to be thinnest, what was
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: this festival called?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: All Hallows... No, options.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: DTF. Options.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: Beltane, Imbolc, Semhain, or Langnazd.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Wow, I'm feeling really good about these options again. Say
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: them all again.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: Beltane. It's that one. Imbolc. Sahwin or Lungnazdis. Sahwin. To
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: be fair, it might be D. We wouldn't know it
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: from Jim's.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: I can't tell.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: You're taking Sahwin?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, Sahwin.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: The festival occurred at the midpoint between autumn equinox and
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: winter solstice.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: So I win football.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: People wore animal hides and masks to disguise themselves from
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: roaming malevolent spirits.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Also, it was chilly.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: You were good at this. So chilly.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Jacob, in classical European mythology and folklore, which of the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: following is associated with stopping werewolves rather than traditional vampires?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Silver. I think I would say silver would be my guess.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: What are the options, though? Running water.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Sprigs of garlic.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: Hawthorn or ash wooden stakes.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Or silver bullets? The running water is one of those.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: What was the question again?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: In classic European mythology, which of the following is associated
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: with stopping werewolves rather than vampires? Running water, silver bullets,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: sprigs of garlic, or hawthorn or ash wooden stakes?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: So is it going to be garlic then?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Water, silver, garlic, or stakes? I'll do silver. Silver bullets
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: is incorrect. The correct answer was Coors Light. The silver bullet.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: The real silver bullet. The real silver. No, you were right.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: Historic folklore tied silver weapons primarily to shapeshifters and lycanthropes.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Classic vampires were thought to be repelled by flowing rivers, garlic,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: religious iconography.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, the vampires. I knew one of them had something
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: with moving water. I've never heard the water one. Also salt. Oh,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: the salt. That always gets in there. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: This is the tie-breaking question. What was Jim's first Halloween
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: costume in kindergarten?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Aladdin. My mom made it for me.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: And it was, I'll give you this, a Marvel character.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: In kindergarten?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Hmm. You have an advantage here. We were in kindergarten
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: at the same time.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: And I'm not a boy, so I don't know what
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: a kindergarten boy is.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: What do you remember all the sexy boys dressing up
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: as in kindergarten?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Because that's what I was doing, girl.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Your mom made the costume?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: She did. What year were you born? You want me
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: to tell her what she made it out of?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: 85?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Long Johns.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: She made it out of Long Johns, a matching set
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: of Long Johns.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: That's a little older than my brother. I think my
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: brother's 86.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: You may each register a guest.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: What'd she make it out of? Long Johns. Long Johns. Oh, Spider-Man.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: I was going to guess Spider-Man, but is that Marvel?
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Is Spider-Man Marvel?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're both right. Fuck yeah.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, everyone's Spider-Man today.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Didn't see you getting that. You're still Spider-Man. He's still
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: crushing it.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: He's still the best thing ever.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Timeless.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: He was Marvel, and then Sony had him for a
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: long time, but he was always Marvel, and now Marvel's
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: got him again. I think they lease him now or something. Yeah,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: there's something. The Tobey Maguire, those are Sony. Oh, okay, okay.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: That's why they're not part of the Marvelverse. What was
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: your first Halloween costume?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I have pictures as a cat when I was
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: probably like five or six.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: That's a solid first costume. Yeah, I've got, there's like
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: a wizard in there. That was a Klansman. That was
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: a black.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: I liked being a genius.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: It did have a pointy hat, but it was a
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: black one. We already had this costume laying around.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: We'll just spray paint it.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: I got the spooky rope too. Everything I had when
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: I was a kid, it was, my grandma made it.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: So just whatever, so like, She found like, I'm sure
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: there was like a wizard pattern. And so she like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: sewed some sparkly things onto a cape and a hat.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Cute.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah. Back in the dizzy.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to go find my, do you
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: have pictures of you in this like kindergarten spot?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: My mother does, I'm sure.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I want to go dig mine up.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: So I, at the beginning of the show, I shared
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: that I'm going to be Fiona. from Shrek. Oh, yeah.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Is that why you're growing your hair out?
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. That's exactly what it is.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: I actually did buy the red wig with the giant ponytail.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: So I'm ready to go with that. I had to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: get a plus-size women's dress. It's still a bit snug.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're built for my height.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Fucking fatty.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm barely squeezing into this thing. So I'm pretty
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: excited about that. My daughter's going to be Shrek, but
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: she's cute Shrek this year. And my son, I believe
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: he got roped into being Tigger. He has not dressed
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: up for years, but his girlfriend promptly let him.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: Know he will be dressing up.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: What is she?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Eeyore.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: So they have a group. Oh, okay.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is an odd pair.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Group of kids. Group of kids.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: But actually kind of cute, Eeyore and Tiffany.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: The girlfriends pick, and then the boyfriends show up and
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: wear whatever they were assigned. So that's the way God
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: intended it. What are you both doing for Halloween this year?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Are you guys candy people? Do you give out candy?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: I do. I usually give out candy. I'll put like
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: a witch hat on and, I don't know, not dress up.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: When we lived in Mountain's Edge, we'd give out candy.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: You still have that Megan's Law sign, don't you, Jacob?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: You have to put that out in the front yard?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: I don't have to, but it keeps the fucking trick-or-treaters
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: off my fucking lawn.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Y'all even have trick-or-treaters out here?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: When we lived in Mountain's Edge, we would get a
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: couple of hundred of trick-or-treaters. We would go through... I
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: had the five-gallon buckets. I would fill those with candy.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: So you're rich.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: And I'd go through a few of those. King-size candy bars.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Not even that.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, a bag of candy.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even want to because it's so much.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: I feel so bad. I'm like, everyone gets one piece
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: this year. You don't get handfuls.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: What is your.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: favorite candy. So every year my kids do the trick-or-treating,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: and then I take a dad tax. The privilege of
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: me walking you around, I get to go through... And
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: there are two candies that I will be taking all
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Oh!
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: I have two in mine, too.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Any example of this candy in the trick-or-treat bag... This
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: belongs to Dad. Every occurrence of this candy is mine.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: And so, like, if a house just gave away exclusively
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: that candy... That's Dad. That just means that that house
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: was giving candy to Dad. They have donated it to me.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: I don't hate this idea. These two candies are.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Is it chocolate or sweet?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: So, well, a little bit of both. A little bit
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: of column A, a little bit of column B. Three Musketeers.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, gross.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Big fan of the nougat.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: I love musketeers.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Good, I'll bring you all those we have left over.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bring those to Jim.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: They are the worst.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: Nougat? You don't like Three Musketeers?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I'm fine with a.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Three Musketeers bar, but I've never met anyone that prefers one.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: I don't like the crunch of peanuts like in Snickers. Fine.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I'll enjoy a good Kit Kat. Okay.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: But, man, Musketeers, those little fun-sized ones, you could just
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: pop those all.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Day, dude. By the way, a Kit Kat, far superior
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: to a Musketeer bar.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: But not even close.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: And they aren't my favorite.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: No, they're not even close to my favorite. But still.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: I agree with that.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: To each their own, Jacob.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: You know? Yeah. Let he is without sin cast the
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: first stone. What's yours, Jacob? Remember when you said that?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: I was going to say Twix for me.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Come on, Reese's. Have you ever seen the cartoon?
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: I eat the shit out of somebody.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen those cartoons where the genie says
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: you have three wishes and the guy asks for something
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: weird and then he goes, you have no wishes or whatever?
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: There's one where he goes, okay, you have a wish
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: and the guy goes, I want whenever I take the
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: little panties off of Reese's peanut butter cups that they moan.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: And the genie was like, you get no wishes.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Let me just unwrap this little Reese's candy here. And
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: now I'm going to enjoy this little sweet. Now I'm
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: just going to have the second one here. And I'll
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: just have this little sweet. That'll be very nice. Oh,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: it was a family-sized one.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: No, Reese's might be the best. Twix is probably up there.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: The weird one that I love to pick out.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: I agree with both of those, by the way. Reese's
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: and Twix.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: The weird one I like to dig out is The
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Tootsie Rolls that are flavored. They're cherry. I love them.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: They're so weird and I just love them.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: Is that the cough medicine cherry flavor?
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: That shows up in some of the candy and I'm
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: always like, hmm.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: This is for drugs.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: So what's your other one? You got Three Musketeers. What's
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: your other one? Skittles.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, Skittles are good.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: I love me some red bag Skittles. OG Skittles.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: I take them like a shot.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: I rip the little baggie open and just pound it back.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: And that is Skittles. Oh, I'll tell you the close.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: It's the 1A. It's not really even a separate one
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: from the Reese's. And that is the peanut butter M
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: & M' s.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, I have peanut butter. Wait, peanut butter or peanut?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: The peanut butter M & M' s.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: I have those in my pantry. I just bought the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: other night.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: They're so good.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Smart.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: I've been bombing so long.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Those bitches are dangerous. Peanut M & M' s are great.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Peanut M & M' s are great.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: That's where it started. No shade against the peanut M
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: & M' s, but the peanut butter M & M' s are ridiculous.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I went to watch a Halloween movie at a friend's house,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: and that's what I chose for candy to bring you
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: to stay at.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: Also, pro move, if you don't have the peanut butter
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: M & M' s and you only have Reese's Pieces. feel
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: free to just mix those 50-50 with regular M & M' s.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: This is the obligatory part where I tell- And then boom,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: peanut butter M & M' s. That's the same thing.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: Nick religiously eats popcorn only.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: With M & M' s.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah. I know people who do that.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: That's yummy.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: He's pretty serious about it. That's never been my bag.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that about him, but I've tried it.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: It's nice.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: That's fine. Nick's into some kinky shit. A little bit
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: of salt and sweet. He likes to mix it up.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Most of his kinks are corn-based.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: He loves corn.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: He told us. Almost always corn-based kinks. Well, I mean,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: as an Iowan, he is a measurable percentage of corn.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: It's just statistically true. There is a statistical part of
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: him that is corn. So Reese's Cups, Tootsie Rolls with
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: the cherry.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the flavor one. Not just cherry, but they
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: have vanilla, cherry, lime. I love all those.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Do you like candy corn? How do we feel about
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: candy corn?
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Ew. Okay.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: It's just vanilla. You just got to do it with
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: the Reese's thing, or the Tootsie Roll thing. Yeah, those
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: are delicious. I know, yeah.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Candy corn's waxy.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: The fact that there was no, what the fuck? That's
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: what a Tootsie Roll is?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: It's wax.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: It's chewy. It's candle wax. That's all that is.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: No, I make fun of Peter every year because his
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: favorite candy is like, not Nerds, what's the powder?
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, Pixie Stix?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Kind of, Pixie Stix. Like Pixie Dix.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, say that again. Get the drop.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Dixie's dicks. Hey, pixie dick.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: That was cleaner. Thank you. Oh, shit. Oh, no.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Sweet tarts. Sweet tarts. I'm like, those are disgusting. He's like,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: they're so good.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, they're so bad. Oh, like the chalky sweet tarts.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: The chalky sweet tarts. Because there's the chewy sweet tarts.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, no.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: Nope. The old school chalky ass sweet tarts. I do
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: like those chalky ass. Oh. Those are great.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Y'all are weirdos.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Those are great.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: The little pucks.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, the pucks.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: And candy corn, if you hand me a dish of
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: candy corn, I will reach into it and take some
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: candy corn out and I will pop it into my mouth. Okay.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: At which point I will remember that nobody likes candy corn.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I will always eat one.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: I will always eat it, though. And if you hand
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: me that same dish again five minutes later, I'll have
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: another one. They're so fun. If I hand you the basket,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: will you have red licorice?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: I did that the other day. Fucking gross. Really? It's
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: not my favorite, again, but I'll eat it.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: This is living in the Bay Area. Because I lived
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: in the Bay Area and red vines when we were
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: there were huge. And we worked with high school students
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: and everything. And so there were always red vines around.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: They taste kind of waxy to me too, but I
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: still eat them. I don't know why.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: They're thinner than the, what's the other red?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: I like the other one better than red vines.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: With the lips. Oh my gosh, what are those called?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: That's going to bother me.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: The other red licorice brand.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: That's the one I like more and I can't even
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: think of it.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Are the red vines. All I can think of is Twix.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's another... Tulips? One word thing.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: I'm looking it up if I can.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: I do not know.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: But I've also found that chocolate sucks a bag of dicks.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: Twizzlers. Twizzlers.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, Twix and Twizzlers.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: Chocolate around Halloween time is much less quality. I think
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: that they all are just mass producing the fuck out
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: of it, and it's like 1% chocolate.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fine. Everything's gross.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: That's probably true.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: So this is a shitty time of year to get
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: your chocolate fixed.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: I just hate spending 40 bucks on a bag of candy.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, damn.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: That's why you steal it from children. That's the whole point.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. That's why you just have kids to harvest candy.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: That's the whole reason I do this. And I will
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: take advantage on Halloween day, or the day after Halloween.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: Going to get the cheap candy?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Stock up for the year. That's right.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: That's when all of a sudden, November, December, just around
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: the office at the show, there's always plenty of candy
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: put out in the dishes because we all buy the
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: candy and we all take it into work.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: I was already thinking, we record the day after Halloween,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: I will bring some candy. There you go.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: I do hoard one candy that I can only get
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: in a very small window of time and I hoard
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: it for the whole year and I buy a shitload
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Peppermint bark. Oh, I do like peppermint bark.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: When I find a good supplier, like some really good
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: quality peppermint bark, I buy the fuck out of it.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: You don't just do the Ghirardelli? Oh, I love those.
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  Speaker 2: The Ghirardelli does a really good peppermint bark. Those are
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  Speaker 2: really good.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes different stores will just have some really good peppermint bark,
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  Speaker 3: and they'll sell it as a big old chunk, and
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  Speaker 3: you gotta break it apart.
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  Speaker 2: It's got the big old shards. Do you like peppermint
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  Speaker 2: in general?
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  Speaker 3: No, but I love the shards of peppermint that's on
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  Speaker 3: the actual peppermint bark.
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  Speaker 2: So if I just gave you a peppermint, you wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: enjoy a nice peppermint?
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  Speaker 3: I would not care for a peppermint. I will not
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  Speaker 3: have it.
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  Speaker 2: Because I enjoy a nice peppermint.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you all the mint chocolate flavor. No. Again,
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  Speaker 1: Peter hates that and I love it. I'm in. I
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: like that too. Mint chocolate.
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  Speaker 2: Mint chocolate, peanut butter chocolate, peanut butter mint chocolate. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you threesome this. A little menage a candy. Knee deep
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  Speaker 2: in it. Oh my God. Oh, Jesus. You've really changed.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go. A lot of things we don't learn in
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  Speaker 3: I did not know that you were just double teaming
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  Speaker 3: on some peppermint and peanut butter.
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