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Club 520 - Marques Johnson CRAZY Wilt Chamberlain stories, predicting Jeff Teague Game 6, legendary UCLA runs · Club 520 Podcast

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  Speaker 2: in with the family. Shout out to Kelsey as well
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  Speaker 2: and OG. Would you ever thought there was a time,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, back in your day when
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  Speaker 2: y'all was playing and the fans could legally be betting
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  Speaker 2: on y'all game or tapping to the marketplace as y'all playing?
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  Speaker 2: I know y'all used to have the side bets back
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  Speaker 2: in the day and stuff like that. Now they get
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  Speaker 2: on line with it.
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  Speaker 3: The prediction markets and all the semantics and all that.
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  Speaker 4: But it's funny.
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  Speaker 3: The first time I really realized the impact that gambling had,
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  Speaker 3: we were playing the Knicks in New York. And Ernie Grunfeld,
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  Speaker 3: former general manager and president of the Bucks, was sitting
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  Speaker 3: next to me. And we were winning by seven, nine,
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  Speaker 3: 11 or whatever. And then they scored a couple of
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  Speaker 3: buckets and they were still down like five or six
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  Speaker 3: and the crowd went crazy.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, man, what are they cheering about, man?
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  Speaker 3: We're going to win the game.
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  Speaker 4: It's three seconds left. covered the spread.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Damn.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: What year was this?
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  Speaker 3: This is 77, 78.
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  Speaker 1: Damn.
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  Speaker 2: That's been going on for a while now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: They covered the spread.
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  Speaker 3: It's New York. New York fans are notorious for being
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  Speaker 3: big time gamblers. But no, it's, you know, and as
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  Speaker 3: we've seen with some of the players that Well, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to go. I don't want to go.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I don't want to go.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I don't want to go.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I don't want to go.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to go. But, I mean, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to John St. Porter, man. You're welcome, family.
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  Speaker 4: It's an interesting road to travel, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: When I was on the Bucs, maybe you remember. You
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  Speaker 2: remember when the chant for Bobby started?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like, Bobby, Bobby.
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  Speaker 2: It was because of a gambling bet. I mean, because
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  Speaker 2: he needed like two rebounds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not on Bobby. Not on Bobby.
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  Speaker 2: They subbed me. I was in the game, and me
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  Speaker 2: and Bobby was in, and I stole a rebound. Not stole,
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  Speaker 2: but it came to me. But Bobby needed two more,
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  Speaker 2: and they subbed Bobby out. So they started chanting, Bobby.
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  Speaker 2: And me and Bobby, we out, and we thinking they
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  Speaker 2: just love Bobby.
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  Speaker 3: We like, you play. They like.
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  Speaker 1: Walked to the tunnel. They like, Teague, you're dumb.
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  Speaker 3: Do a rebound.
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  Speaker 1: They started cussing me out.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the first time I knew that gambling was crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Can I tell my Jeff Teague story?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, please. I'll be here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, so Jeff was, you know, I didn't know Jeff.
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  Speaker 4: He was walking around. So y'all not familiar with.
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  Speaker 3: This movie with Gregory Peck and Atticus Finch. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: blank on the name of it now, but there was
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  Speaker 3: a character in the movie played by Robert Duvall. Boo Radley,
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  Speaker 3: who just kind of walked around, didn't say a word,
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  Speaker 3: in the cut all the time.
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  Speaker 4: So that was Jeff with the buddy. Didn't say a
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  Speaker 4: whole lot.
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  Speaker 3: We never really interacted. And playing against Atlanta in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: We were down 3-2 at one point. They were doing
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  Speaker 3: some work on us. So Coach Bud played you in
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  Speaker 3: game five, about three minutes. But I could still see,
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  Speaker 3: I think you were like 33 years old or whatever
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  Speaker 3: at the time.
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  Speaker 4: But he was quicker than everybody out there.
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  Speaker 3: And so I went on Twitter and I said, look,
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  Speaker 3: we need to play Jeff Teague in game six. He
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  Speaker 3: can be a problem for the defenders of Atlanta. And
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  Speaker 3: so on Twitter, they killed me. Are you crazy, Marcus?
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  Speaker 3: He's washed up. He has nothing left. And then they
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  Speaker 3: came up with a term that I never heard of
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  Speaker 3: called ratio. Yo, Marcus, you got ratio. So you got ratio.
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  Speaker 3: I respected your opinion until you mentioned Jeff T.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 3: They were killing you. It made me like, damn, maybe
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. Kill them.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe. I said, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: But I stayed. I said, look, he can help us.
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  Speaker 3: And so game six, Bud played you like 12 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: He had like 11 points. But just kind of changed
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  Speaker 3: the energy around. And they came back to me after
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  Speaker 3: that like, oh, we apologize, man. You knew what you
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  Speaker 3: was about to do.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: That's my Jeff Teague story.
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  Speaker 3: But they killed me, man.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Teague, come on.
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  Speaker 3: Are you crazy?
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  Speaker 1: What's up, man?
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  Speaker 3: You got nothing left.
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  Speaker 2: That is hilarious to find out that OG was behind
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  Speaker 2: Game 16. Oh, he was the reason.
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  Speaker 1: He was the reason. We've been talking about that shit
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  Speaker 1: on the show.
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  Speaker 3: What's that? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like the game six when he, you know.
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  Speaker 3: His little sprinklers like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's fire. You put that in there.
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  Speaker 3: You can just watch, especially when you've been around the
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  Speaker 3: game for as long as I have. You could just see,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and I'm 33. I didn't really know. He
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  Speaker 3: was still that quick, and I saw him do a
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  Speaker 3: couple things and get by people real easy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, he's still got a lot of quickness.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that, man.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, that's my Jeff Tease story, man.
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  Speaker 3: Got a ratio, and I got killed on Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: He does balls for sure, man. Shop club, 520.com to
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  Speaker 2: in the building, as usual. Introducing last to my far left,
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  Speaker 2: we got my dog, Bishop B. Henn out the prayer leaves.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing, Nasty? Cool, Nasty. Y'all know I don't
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  Speaker 1: even watch movies or nothing like that. This is... My
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  Speaker 1: dad loves.
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  Speaker 3: You, bro.
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  Speaker 1: Killer Mockingbird.
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  Speaker 4: Killer Mockingbird.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 3: That's the movie.
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  Speaker 4: Killer Mockingbird just finally came out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But no, I'm glad about this one right here.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciate you, man.
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably going to be excited. Still to my right,
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  Speaker 1: my dog, young Nacho, young Teague. How you what?
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  Speaker 2: It's already getting started, man. He got stories for you, man.
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  Speaker 2: He put it in the air so I get some PT, man.
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  Speaker 2: It's about to be a great, great.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, man. We got another Bucks legend in the building.
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  Speaker 1: The real legend. The real legend.
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  Speaker 2: OG here with the book out right now, the Crenshaw Chronicles, man.
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  Speaker 2: The OG, one of our favorite people, man.
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  Speaker 3: Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Marcus Johnson, big dog. We appreciate you sliding on this, man,
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  Speaker 1: for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, you know, and I'm probably going to get
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: in trouble with Josiah for saying this.
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  Speaker 1: Shouts at Joe.
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  Speaker 3: It's actually my favorite. I mean, it's actually my favorite.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Gills Arena is a close second, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and then All the Smoke and all that. But I
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: was on All the Smoke a few days ago, Gills
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  Speaker 3: Arena a couple of days.
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  Speaker 4: So this is like the big trifecta for me. Oh, man,
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  Speaker 4: we appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: The big crooner right here.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm really, really glad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we mess with all of them, too. They're my guys.
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  Speaker 1: They're family, man. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I sat next to a random white guy on the
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  Speaker 3: plane out here. He was the USC younger guy. We
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  Speaker 3: were just kind of talking about different things. And so
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  Speaker 3: I told him what I was getting ready to do
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  Speaker 3: in Indianapolis at 520.
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  Speaker 4: I love that show.
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  Speaker 3: Make sure you tell those guys to stay honest, just
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  Speaker 3: to keep that honesty.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man. I appreciate that. Just a random dude.
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  Speaker 4: So you guys, your reach is having an effect out there.
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  Speaker 2: Nah, the love is real, man. Shout out to our guy, Josiah.
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  Speaker 2: He hit us up. He was just like, pops have been.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I couldn't believe it. I was like, what?
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: He walked in? I was like, damn.
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  Speaker 3: The stories, I mean, y'all just, like I told somebody,
• 8:19
  Speaker 3: y'all have too much fun sometimes. Y'all just.
• 8:22
  Speaker 4: A lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Goes over my head. I don't really know exactly what
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: you're talking about, but it's just fun to watch you
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: guys have so much fun doing this podcast.
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that for sure. You as well.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: Obviously, man, OG, first Midwest kids, we couldn't fathom what
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: it's like growing up on the West Coast, let alone L.A.
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: What was it like growing up in L.A., especially hooping
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: out there? A lot of killers, high tradition. What was
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: it like growing up in L.A., getting to it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, so historically speaking, you know, just being
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  Speaker 3: a basketball player guy i mean my name marcus i
• 8:54
  Speaker 3: was named after marcus haynes a harlem globetrotter my father
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  Speaker 3: saw him play down in shreveport louisiana in 1955 he
• 8:58
  Speaker 3: said if i got a son yeah he they had
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: a player by the name of marcus haynes so he
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: said if i got a son i'm gonna name him
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: after the greatest ball player i've ever seen marcus haynes
• 9:07
  Speaker 3: bobby knight has said the same thing about marcus haynes
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  Speaker 3: could be just a dribbling phenom back in the day
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: and so that and my father was a high school
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  Speaker 3: coach uh coach at natchitoches central high school jeff jeff
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  Speaker 3: johnson had a lot of success at running the players
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  Speaker 3: who played for him Back in the late 50s, early 60s,
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  Speaker 3: they'd tell me he was ahead of his time and blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 3: So he gave me that foundation, you know, from a
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  Speaker 3: basketball family, like I'm sure with you. You get the footwork,
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  Speaker 3: you get the skills, you get all that fundamental knowledge
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  Speaker 3: of how to play the game. So for me growing up,
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: right in the wooden era, getting started with Gail Goodrich
• 9:38
  Speaker 3: and Walt Hazard in 64, they won 10 and 12 years.
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  Speaker 3: So that was a big thing. Kareem, Lou Alcindor coming
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  Speaker 3: to L.A. in 1965, 66. And dominating the way he did.
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: He had 56 points his first game as a sophomore.
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  Speaker 3: Freshman couldn't play. He dropped 56 on USC and probably
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: out of the 20 field goals he made in that
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: game or so, 76. dunks. But he wound up banning
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  Speaker 3: the dunk shot after that season. Couldn't dunk for 10
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  Speaker 3: years until going into my senior year in 1976, 77. Damn.
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: And then the Lakers were always bridesmaids to the Celtics.
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: Bill Russell and that crew, they were in the midst
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: of that great winning streak. But Elgin Bailey was my guy.
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: He was kind of the predecessor to Dr. J in
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: terms of just hang time and all the acrobatics in
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: the midair. Jerry West is somebody that, you know, Mr.
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: Clutch knocking down jumper. I've watched him literally hit like five, six,
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  Speaker 3: seven jumpers at the buzzer to win games back in
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  Speaker 3: those days. So it was just a it was a
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  Speaker 3: magical time for basketball to grow up in L.A.
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  Speaker 4: At that point. And, you know, I played against some
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  Speaker 4: some really, really talented players.
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  Speaker 3: We had a great. Summer League at Trade Tech College downtown,
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: played against Sidney Wicks and Curtis Rowan. But the best
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: player of all that I played against was this dude
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  Speaker 3: named Arkansas Red, who went to college in Arkansas.
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  Speaker 4: But he averaged like 35 a game in NAIA. I
• 10:57
  Speaker 4: think it was the last guy.
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  Speaker 3: Cut on the Olympic team in 1968 or so, but
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: you know, he was, he was.
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: He, he, he'd be drinking alcohol.
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: He'd get out there and pull Brandy. He was dropping
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: forties and fifties out there, like six, one, six, two,
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  Speaker 3: but had the Swedish jumper. Yeah. Another dude, David airplane
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  Speaker 3: pain was, it was then. So airplane was his nickname.
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  Speaker 3: Another NAIA player, about six, four, but jumped higher than
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  Speaker 3: anybody I've ever seen in my life. And, uh, I
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  Speaker 3: was like 15 years old playing against him. He came
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  Speaker 3: down and, And just took off like inside the free
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  Speaker 3: throw line. I tried to take a charge and just
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: nuts all in my foil. Just dunked on him. I
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: got him back about six, seven years later when I
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: was like a second or third year pro. We were
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: playing at Crenshaw in the same summer league, the Joe
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  Speaker 3: Weakley Run, Shoot, and Dunk.
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  Speaker 4: That was the name of that summer league.
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  Speaker 3: And he tried to stop me at the rim, and
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  Speaker 3: I got him out the way and, bam, threw down
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  Speaker 3: on him.
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  Speaker 4: But he was like 28, 29 at that time. I
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  Speaker 4: was like a young Sprott, 23.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of fun.
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  Speaker 4: And basketball was the passion, as you can relate to. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I've seen you, obviously, shout out to Gil Zarin.
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  Speaker 2: You was on there talking about, you know what I'm saying,
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: going to school was a little bit different than your
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  Speaker 2: traditional high school. Some of them jackets was a little
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  Speaker 2: bit heavier than them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris, that was no joke. You know, it's interesting
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  Speaker 4: because I had a great time.
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  Speaker 3: I never had. And I talked about the surprise locker
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: sweep in 1973 and finding 25 handguns. But there was
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: never any, you know, school shootings. It wasn't that was
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: all like. protection, like walking home. There was no metal detectors,
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: so you just walked in with what you had. And
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  Speaker 3: we had armed security guards on campus One guy looked
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: like Richard Roundtree. His name was Shaft. He's in the
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  Speaker 3: yearbook as Shaft.
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  Speaker 4: That's what they call him.
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  Speaker 3: They'd be suited and booted, but, you know, pieces in
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  Speaker 3: their jacket and all that. And so, you know, it
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  Speaker 3: was just, but that was just... That was normal. Yeah,
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a big deal. And if somebody would show
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: you a pistol sometime, like, look, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, okay.
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: But it really wasn't a big deal, you know, in
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: terms of just shootings and school violence. Now, you can
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: set your watch to it at nutrition and lunch. There's
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: going to be a fight or two or three at
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: lunch time. It was 3,200 kids. Oh, yeah.
• 13:12
  Speaker 4: 3,200 kids. It was new, built in 1968.
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: This is 1972, 71 when I got there. And so,
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: but the areas that we drew students from was the
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: east side of LA and Washington High School, Manor Arch, Fremont,
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: all the Jefferson, all the rough areas around the city.
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: And so I went to Dorsey as a 10th grader.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: And I was a lot of Asians, a lot of
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: upscale African-Americans going to school there. So my mother didn't
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: want me to go to Crenshaw. Crenshaw was just rowdy
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: and she didn't want me to have anything to do
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: with Crenshaw. But my dad was like, No, he's going
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: to go to Crenshaw and play for a guy that
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: he'd been knowing from middle school. They talked together, Willie West,
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: who was coached there for 39 years, won 16 city championships,
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: eight state titles. And so that was the best move
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: for me in my life because Coach West would put
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: in as much work as you were willing to put in.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: He'd meet you at the gym whenever you want to
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: meet and stay as long as you wanted to stay.
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: But L.A.
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: Was, man, it was a lot going on, dynamic. My
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: best friend growing up was a guy named James Lofton.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: You know, we played every sport together. He was fast.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: He could catch great hands. He wound up being an
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: NFL Hall of Famer for the Buffalo Bills and some
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: other teams that he played for. So the Green Bay
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: Packers is where he started out. So, you know, I
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: always like to tell this story. It was me, James,
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: and another kid named Carl Mosier, 8, 9, 10, 11,
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: 12 years old, hanging out together. James, Hall of Famer basketball, me,
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: five times. Hall of Fame finalists. I ain't made the
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: cut yet, but hey, whatever. But Carl Mosier was a
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: better athlete than both of us. Better athlete than both
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: of us. He was faster, better basketball player as a
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: point guard, better football player, was a quarterback. And for
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: one reason or another, you know, he kind of fell
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: by the wayside. And James and I kept it going.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: That's hard.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: I like to grow up with somebody that made it
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: to the... You know, he made it to the NBA.
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: He made it to the NFL. I know y'all conversations
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: got to be ridiculous.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Like, telling y'all stories growing up.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Like, y'all both being pros and, like, hanging out in
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: the summer at some point.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: Well, and then the beauty of it was that he
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: played for the Packers. He was a year behind me.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: And I was in Milwaukee. He was in Green Bay.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: So he and his wife, I have down in Milwaukee.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: We'd have dinner together and just rehash. He tells a
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: great story. Us playing together.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: And I remember it vaguely, but like nine years old,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: me and my dad was coaching our little nine-year-old team
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: at Jesse Owens Park.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: Well, sports was back in the day. That's what Russell
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: Westbrook grew up at.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: And so we're playing a game as nine-year-olds.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: And my dad and I got there late, got there
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: at halftime.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: So we were down, like, James says, like, you know,
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: 21 to 2 in the first half. And then when
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: I got there, we wound up winning, like, 27 to 23.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: I had, like, all 25.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: You were crazy. Touched it down.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was that kind of thing.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I want to ask, when did you know you was elite? Obviously,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: special player, but when did you know, like, all right,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I'm better.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Right, was being a pro always a thing for you?
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Was being a pro, like, something you grew up wanting
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: to be?
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Always, always, man.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Just, again, just growing up with the Lakers, Elgin Baylor,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: you go to the park and you do the head
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: twitch and everything he was doing back in the day,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: trying to emulate his moves.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: I was MVP of every league I ever played in from.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was in my, my dad was a coach.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: So he's making sure, you know, I'll get my touches,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: you know, but I was MVP from, from every, every
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: team I'd ever played. Now, now when I got to
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: high school at Dorsey, before I transferred to Crenshaw, I
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: had moved up half a grade, not because I was
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: really smart, but that was just kind of how the city,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: They did away with mid-year graduation. So I was younger.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I was a 14-year-old 10th grader, which is crazy. But
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: you couldn't play varsity until you were 15 in L.A.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: City at that point in time. So that was kind
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: of the adjustment period I had to kind of find myself.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: But by the end of that season, I wound up
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: playing a couple of varsity games, despite the fact I
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: was only 14 years old. But, you know, again, I
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: credit my dad. My dad worked with me extensively in
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: the backyard to the point where it got on my
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: last nerve.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it ever happened to you.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure. Oh, man.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, it got to me. And even when I
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: was a pro, he still, hey, hey, come here.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Papa, stop it. Let me show you this spin move.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: He tried to show me a spin move.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: And then I'd fall and lose it down.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you okay?
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: But inside, I'm just like, man, I'm in the NBA,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: and you're still trying to show me what to do.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: But he passed away in 2002, and, man, I wish
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: he was here now to– Just give me the same
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: type of guidance and all that.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: So, but yeah, I've been, I've been, I've been good
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: for a while, man. I've been good for a while.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: So I got a tough question. I asked everybody from
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Cali this, who is the greatest player to come out
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: of LA?
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Pro wise, pro wise OG.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: I know, you know.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: A lot of ball players.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Well, one name you'll hear is Raymond Lewis.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Raymond Lewis went to Bourbon Day High School. He's a
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: couple of years ahead of me. And this dude was
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: like Kyrie. I mean, handles, jumper, had it all. A
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: lot of guys came up under him. Lorenzo Romar, some
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: of the guys who made it through to the NBA,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Freeman Williams. But Raymond was the guy that went to
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Cal State L.A. because they gave him a whole lot
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: of money. Jerry Tarkany, the one at Long Beach State.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: With Cal State LA, gave him a car, Corvette, and
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of other things at that time.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: In 1971.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: But I think he led the nation in scoring.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: He was averaging about 32, 33 a game as a sophomore.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: They even had 32.9.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, okay.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: It was going crazy.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: And then they played, and this was Cal State LA,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: so they're not D1, they're like NAIA. They played against
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Cal State Long Beach, who were nationally ranked on local TV.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Raymond had like 52, he had a jumper falling out
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: of bounds at the buzzer to win it, like Channel 9,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting there watching it. But he, so, so, the
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Raymond Lewis story, and I don't want to get too
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: long winded on this, but he got drafted by the Sixers,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: number 20th, in.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: 70, 71, somewhere in there, 72 maybe.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Doug Collins was just coming off the Olympic team, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: he was a golden boy.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: He got drafted number one, number one pick.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: He was making about $ 400, 000 or $ 500, 000 a year. Raymond
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: negotiated his own contract. He was getting like $ 50, 000. They
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: had a scrimmage. Raymond scored allegedly 55 to 60 points
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: and Doug Collins at halftime. at halftime.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: And this is like, this is, this is, this.
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: Is, it started out at 30, then it went up
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: to 40, now it's like 55, it happened.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: But the point is that Raymond walked out of camp.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: He's like, shit, I just busted this dude up. He's
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: number one pick. He's making like 300,000. I'm making 50.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Y'all got to renegotiate my contract. He left camp, just
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: walked out. Never played in NBA again. Blackballed him and
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: he just never got another chance to play in the NBA.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Lorenzo Romar tells a story of talking to Gene Hsu
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: when he was a coach at San Antonio and Raymond
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: was in camp and Raymond was the last guy cut
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: and Lorenzo was asking Gene Hsu, was he good enough
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: to make the team?
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: He said he was the best player on the floor.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: I said, well, why didn't you keep him? He's out
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: of my hands. There's nothing I can do.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: All right, man.
• 20:16
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• 20:19
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• 20:21
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• 20:21
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• 20:23
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• 20:26
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• 20:28
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• 20:30
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• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Mook, we ain't just talking about sports no more, man.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: We can get into the BET Awards. We can go
• 20:35
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• 20:37
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• 20:39
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• 20:40
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• 20:42
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• 20:42
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• 20:43
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• 20:53
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• 20:54
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• 21:02
  Speaker 3: So in terms of guys who, you know, he was
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: a guy that was a non-NBA guy, but when you
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: talk to anybody from L.A., my age or a little
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: bit younger, a little bit older, they'll say Raymond Lewis
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: is the greatest ever. And you get no argument from me.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: No, yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: He won championships every year. He busted ass in college.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: He just didn't get a fair shot. Yeah, you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: it was his attitude. He's from Watts and kind of just,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: F this, I'm gone. You know, either you pay me or.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: And so they wanted to make an example out of him,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: and they did. But the point about Raymond, so fast forward,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: so about five or six years, about 27 years old.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I'm maybe 23, 24. We're playing out at UCLA every day.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Will Chamberlain and Kiki Bandaway and Reggie Theus and all
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: these really, really good NBA ballplayers. Best defender in the league,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: James Price. Jim Price from Louisville was there. And so
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Raymond was trying to sue the league for– like antitrust
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: violations for blackballing him. So he wanted to get depositions
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: from some of the pros that he was good enough
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: to play in the NBA. So after he played with
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: us all summer, he asked me, would I give him
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: a deposition? Like, yeah, yeah, whatever you want. Where you
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: killing everybody out here? And at that time, you know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: he was drinking, had a little bit of a pot belly,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: a little bit out of shape, but he was still
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: out there serving at 27, 28 years old. Wound up
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: dying of diabetes. He had a leg amputated, got depressed, and,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: you know, alcohol and drugs kind of led to his undoing.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: But last story, Nike's got a campaign about L.A. Legends, right?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: So they're shooting it at this park, Chevrolet Hills. I
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: take my son, Chris, who played at UCLA. Chris is
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: about 12 years old, 13 years old at the time.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: We walk up. On the outdoor courts, we see Raymond.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: He's got the bad leg from the diabetes, not amputated yet,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: but he can't move around. So he's just standing still,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: just shooting. Can't really get to the ball quick enough
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: until Chris go rebound for him. So I sit there,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I'm talking to Raymond. We're talking about the old times, talking, talking, talking.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Raymond's just steadily shooting. So we get done talking after
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: about 10, 12 minutes. And as I'm walking into the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: gym to do what I had to do for that
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: promotional thing, Chris, my son, says to me, Dad, he
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: made 36 shots in a row.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: He made 36 shots without missing. I was like, yeah,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: I told you he could shoot.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: He ain't said nothing.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: So that was Ray Lou.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: As far as you keeping his name alive.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: But other pros, I mean, it's funny. I used to
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: be considered.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Gilbert said it was him.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Well, I used to be considered one of the top
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: five players in L.A. That was always my thing. It
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: was me and Sidney Wicks and these other guys that
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Gil Goodrich, these old school guys. But then between Paul
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Pierce out of Englewood, James Harden went to my middle school.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: He went to Artesia High School, but I used to
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: teach James Harden when he was 17 at Arizona State
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: that he was the second best player to come out
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: of Audubon Middle School. I think he's surpassed me. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: don't think I can stake a claim to that anymore.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: This is back when he was a 17-year-old freshman. But
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: between him and Kawhi, you know, the Inland Empire, Riverside. Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Paul George, you don't really, you know, Paul. So Paul
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Pierce Ingle, we'll give that to him. But Russell Westbrook,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Russ.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: You got to give that to him. I mean, so
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: it's a lot of guys. So now I've bumped myself
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: down from top five to top ten.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Respect. That's respect.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: You know, which is cool.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: You named some names here. The first things first, we
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: got to talk about it. What was the Open Gym
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Runs like with Will?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Will Chamberlain.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, man. Will Chamberlain.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: He was a real person, right?
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Who?
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Will.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? Because DJ don't think he was.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I don't believe the 100-point game. I don't believe it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: He averaged like 40. He averaged 40-something a game one
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: year and finished like sixth or seventh in the MVP.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: He was cheated. Bill Russell owes him. Rest in peace.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: He owes him the MVP.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: For the 50.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: 50 and 25 don't get the MVP.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: That was crazy. I mean, it was crazy. We speak
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: on Will.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: We keep Will's name in line.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: He finished behind Johnny Red Curd, this big slow-footed white dude.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: He finished behind him for the MVP. So don't tell
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: me the writers weren't hating back in those days.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: But Will played with us.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Will was about 44, 45 years old. Kept himself in
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: great shape playing beach volleyball all the time, chasing those
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: young girls.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: But Will was cool.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, he was the greatest dude to be around.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: But when he played, you know, he would kind of
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: go half speed, wouldn't go all out. But we were
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: playing two on two after the run in the men's
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: gym out at UCLA one day. And so it was
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: me and Will against David Greenwood, who was the second
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: pick in the draft, 1979 or so.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: This is the Magic Draft. Got picked after Magic, Chicago Bulls.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: David was one of the greatest forwards in UCLA history. 6'10,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: could shoot, had the sweetest jumper, could handle like a guard.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: But it was before that was allowed. Big guy, get inside, rebound,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: play good defense, interior defense. But David and Will are
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: going at it. And Will's just kind of half-speeding it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: So David is knocking down jumper after jumper. David passed
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: away a few years back. Rest in peace, David Greenwood.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: But these talking shit, David kind of started like.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, big fella.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Too old, big fella. Swish, swish. So Wilt came up
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: to me and said, Marcus, pass me the ball every
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: single time. Wilt went down, posted him up, threw it
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: in to Wilt, bump him, turn, dunk. bump him, turn, dunk.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: He dunked on him about seven or eight times.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Like a 45-year-old Wilt, just bam, but throwing it down hard,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: just bumping him and bam. And David was like, walked up,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: fuck you, Wilt. So when Wilt wanted to turn it on,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: even at 44, 45 years old, now the other thing
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: he used to do, he used to hold court with
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: us outside the men's gym after the run. It was
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: a little grassy area, a self-kicking band. All these pros,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: current pros, all-stars, great players, would sit there and just
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: kind of listen to Wilt talk about his career and
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: some of the things he did. I was in a
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: contract dispute myself with the Milwaukee Bucks, not getting paid enough.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: And so Wilt told me, he's like, look, I used
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: to get in a contract dispute every year with Jack
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Kent when I was with the Lakers. I'd tell him
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I got a hamstring pull, ain't going to get well
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: until I get some more money. He's a little sore.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing that's going to help it
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: is this contract. So when Bill Russell talks about he
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: asked for $ 1 more than Wilt, on a contract he signed,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Will was like, that wasn't bullshit. You know, he didn't
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: know that I went back in after he said that
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: and got, you know, 30,000 more on top of what
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I was making already. So Will was, he was a
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: real astute businessman, but just a great guy to be around.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: But he was real. He was real, man. He was,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: when I think of the all-time greats, it bothers me
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: when people leave him off the list for whatever reason.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I understand that, you know, they didn't see him play,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: but you look at some of those old footage, that
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: old footage of Wilt when he was standing and he
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: was pushing it up the court and handling and shooting
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: jumpers and shooting fadeaways. And, you know, if they had
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: kept block shots, you'd probably average seven or eight blocks
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a game.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: They changed the rules.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: You know, free throws.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: You used to be able to not have to wait
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: till the ball hit the rim to cross the free
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: throw line.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: So he would just toss it off the backboard.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And go get it.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: And jump and then dunk it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: That's why it's free throw.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: We're still shooting 50%.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: So then they changed rules where you had to wait
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: till the ball hit the rim.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: They changed everything.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could do that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: See, we didn't know that. We had to meet the real.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: So he's a real person.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: He was really on that off the court. He was
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a great businessman.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Hell of an OG. Out of 10,000 women, you do
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the math. I mean, that's crazy to think about that.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: It is as well.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: But we'll have the mansion on Mulholland Drive. Overlooking the
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: 405 between L.A. and the Valley. Top of the hill
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: with just this freaked out mansion. One room was just
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: all water, purple water bed.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I swear to God.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: It was amazing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: It was all some different stuff, man. You ever get
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: a chance, scroll that up, Google, Google Will's Mansion in L.A.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Will's Mansion? Let's see what was what. I'm going for
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the 10,000. You're not going to go to the 100-point game?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I got to see the video. I got him playing. Nah, nah.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I need to see the video.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I ain't going to lie about nothing.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: You know, that was just one of them off.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: They usually play at Philly, but they play in the
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Knicks or somebody, I believe, that night. Sixers play in
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: the Knicks. And then my business advisor, mentor, Willie Knowles,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: played for the Knicks. He had about 30-something that game himself,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: but But, you know, he told me about.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: That game and it happened.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: It was a real thing.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, so he knows somebody who's in the game. You
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: know what? I'm a solid OG.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bro.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: That's real crazy. Oh, his crib was crazy.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: That's at the top of the hill.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: That's Wilt, man. That's how Wilt was doing.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: That's back in, like, the late 60s, early 70s, man.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: He said, well, the purple waterbed. Yeah, Wilt was going crazy.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: That's how Wilt was doing.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: We have to get one champion jersey on this set immediately.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: We honor and respect it. For sure. The 13 has
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: to go up for sure, man. So happy I met you, man.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Never going to meet nobody who can confirm anything about Will.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Will was real, man.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Will was, and he slowed down. He said he was
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: going to lead the league in assists one year. He
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: led the league in assists.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, here you go.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: He was just one of them dudes, you know.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Played with the Wildcats for a year, so he had
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: all the tricks and all the handles and.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: All that stuff.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: He was an interesting character.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: We will keep watching him live, for sure. We will
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: not let that go up. But obviously, man, you know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Bucks legend for sure. But I wanted to ask, what
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: was it like going to UCLA after?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Uh-oh. One of the best dynasties in sports history.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Is it after?
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I was at the tail end. We won the
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: 10th championship for Coach Wooden in 12 years. And so,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: you know, and when I got there, they had won
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: seven in a row.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Bill Walton, Jamal Wilkes, Keith Wilkes at that time, they
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: were just coming off of two seasons where they were 30-0, 30-0.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: They hadn't lost in two years.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: I went in there as a freshman. Coach Wood had
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: a great recruiting deal.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: He called me from the locker room when he won
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: a championship my senior year in high school against Memphis
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: State down in St.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Louis.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I was in the den watching the
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: game with my father and And I wanted to go
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: outside and start shooting around.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: I'm all hyped.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I just watched UCLA win. Bill Walton was 21 for 22,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: 44 points.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Blah, blah, blah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: And so my father's like, well, just wait a second.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: Wait a second. So phone rings.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Like, hello?
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, hold on. It's for you.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, OK. I pick up the phone. It's
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Coach Whitten. Marcus, this is Coach Whitten. Did you watch
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: the game, Marcus?
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: I was like, yes, Coach. We'd like for you to
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: be a part of this next year, Marcus. You think
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: you want to be a part of this?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, hell yeah. Yes, Coach, yes, yes. And
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: so that sealed the deal as far as being recruited.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Harkaning at Long Beach State. I was really hot for
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Long Beach State, but then he took the job at
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: UNLV on Vegas.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Well, at that time, Vegas was just a barren wasteland
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: of a desert. It wasn't like it is now. And
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: so there was no thought of going out to Vegas. But,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: you know, for me, UCLA was a great experience. Playing
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: for John Wooden, winning that 10th and final championship for
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: him my sophomore year was an accomplishment, a highlight that
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: will stay with me for the rest of my life. Now,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: starting as a freshman, my first week of practice, Keith Wilkes,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Locked me up. I'm a 17-year-old freshman out of Crenshaw.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't let me touch the ball, block my shots. If
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: I got by him, Bill Walther would pin him against
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the backboard and talk shit like, yo, this is not
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Crenshaw High School, buddy. This is the big time. This
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: is UCLA. Get that Crenshaw bullshit out of here. So
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I called home crying. I was just like, to my mother, like, look,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I can't play here. These guys are too good. I
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: don't know why y'all wanted me to go here in
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: the first place. I should have went to UCSB, Santa Barbara,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: like all my buddies did. And then my father got
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: on the phone.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: He's like, what's going on? What's wrong with you?
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, Keith Wilkes, I can't score
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: on him. Bill Walton's blocking all my shots. And my
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: father's like, Keith Wilkes and Bill Walton, they're the two
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: best defensive players in the team.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: You're fired. You're fired. And I wound up.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Starting as a 17-year-old freshman, about seven, eight games that year,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: averaged 12 and 7.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Looked at my numbers. 12 and 7, the games I started.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: But there were some seniors, upperclassmen that were complaining that,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: You know, I was hurting their pro prospect.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: So Coach Wooden called my father.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: After I'd been playing pretty well as a 17-year-old freshman.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: I turned 18 in February. And he's like, Jeff, this
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: is Coach Wooden. Like, Marcus has done an amazing job.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: He's done really, really good. Exceeded our expectations. But I'm
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: going to go with my upperclassman for the tournament. It's
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: my father. It's only he could have told him, hey.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Well, Coach, no team.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: But you're going to lose with your upperclassmen.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Hey, it's your team. Coach Wooden is talking to you.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: It's your team.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: You do what you want to do, but.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Hey, you're going to lose with your upperclassmen. You know
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: how we do it. I've had to do that a
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: couple of times. My son just interjects my own little
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: perspective on things. But it was a great experience. Next year,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Next year, so that summer I worked my ass off.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I had a lot of baby fat as a freshman.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Came in that next year as a sophomore, killing. I'd
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: worked hard, body was tight, you know, just jumping out
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: the gym. I ran into this little leprechaun looking white
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: boy in West LA who had these isometric exercises to
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: improve jumping, box jumps and all this other stuff. And
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: his thing was like, you do these three days a week,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: you put five inches on your vert. Well, I'm an
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: obsessive you know, compulsive personality type of guy. I can't
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: do anything a little bit, no matter what it is.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: And so I do it every day, you know, twice
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: a day sometimes. So I came back just jumping out
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: the gym. My jumper was finally falling. And I wound
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: up getting hepatitis two days before practice started. On a Friday,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: practice started on a Monday and dropped about 20 pounds.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: In about six or seven days.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Hospitalized. They wanted me to red shirt. And the doctors
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: were like, he's lost so much weight. I went from 217,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: 218 to like 195. So they told my parents, like,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: if he doesn't put his weight back on, he's going
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: to have to sit out. He's just too weak to
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: play this year. So my mother hearing that, they're from Louisiana.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: So they were smuggling the hospital, like collard greens and smugglers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: To be here.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there it is.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Long to know so.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: Here, eat, boy.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Here, eat, eat, eat.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I put the weight back on and played that year, but.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: The thing about that, and it was gratifying because we
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: did win an NCAA championship. I had 35-12 in the
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Western Regional Finals. Arizona State and Lionel Hollins and that crew.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: So that was the highlight of that season for me.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I never felt that level
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: of conditioning that I had felt before I got sick.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was in great shape and I always
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: felt a little bit more fatigued than I normally would have.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: And so I was always looking for different stimulants to
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: kind of.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Help me kind of fill the void.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: And yeah, so anyway, another story.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: What a time. Yeah, what a time.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: But on that point, And this stuff was legal.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: They had these pills that were called pep pills was
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: the name for them.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: But you could buy them at the grocery store.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: And so, again, obsessive compulsive, these pep pills supposed to
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: give you some extra energy. This natural plant called guarana
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: gives you this natural energy. And so the recommendation was
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: to take two. So before our games in Milwaukee in
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: the early 80s, I'd take like eight pills.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Six, you know, I got shit.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: So I go out there just like, you know, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: so one day.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: One day, one day, one day, I sprained my ankle.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: And so I had to go to the locker room
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: to get re-taped. And so Jeff Snedeker, our trainer, who
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: used to tell me all the time I was the
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: best conditioned athlete he'd ever been around since Pelé, the
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: soccer player. He coached the trainer for the Cosmos in
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: New York. But so Jeff Snedeker had to re-tape me.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: So he cut the tape off my ankle, and my
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: foot just kept twitching. It wouldn't stop twitching. So he
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: was like, what are you on? I was like, these Garana,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: these pep pills. So he contacted the FDA, the Food
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: and Drug Administration, just to see what was in them.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: He came back and told me a couple of days
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: later that it was just pure caffeine. Like one pill
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: was like drinking 10 cups of coffee. I'm thinking like six, eight.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: It's the one in my heart.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: You know, but I was a chemist. I found it.
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: That's what we don't get credit for. I'm telling you, man.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Come on. You know, Doc didn't do nothing. Larry Bird
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: drank a little bit, but to go out there and
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: have to serve them based on, you know, being up
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: two or three days. I mean, come on, man.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: That deserves something.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I was really doing all that in these locker rooms. Well, whatever.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying at halftime, was y'all smoking cigarettes?
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Now, I never smoked at halftime, but bobbling near my
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: teammates Yeah.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: That little ashtray in his locker room.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: That is crazy. Oh, man.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: That is cigarettes.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: He come in at halftime, talking over chat.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: And now my man comes down off the screen. I
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: need y'all to switch over here and blah, blah, blah.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I didn't smoke cigarettes until I got to
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: the league. I mean, cigarettes were like a no, no,
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: I can't do that.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: It's taboo.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: And then I got to the NBA and every, you know,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: as a rookie, all these guys were smoking.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: And I was like, man, that doesn't, Just affect your win.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you rub it down a few times to get
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: it out of you, but it kind of helps cut
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: the tension, blah, blah, blah. And there's a funny story
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: that our assistant coach, John Killalay, used to tell about
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: the Boston Celtics before one big playoff series. I think
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: the Bullets, they all, like, I think everybody smoked except
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: John Hamilton, Jake.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: And so they all swore off cigarettes.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: No, we're not going to smoke in this playoff series.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: We're going to go in here and just be in
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: great shape. Nobody's going to smoke. They got down 0-2.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: They're like, F that. They're like, F that. They're like,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: F that.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: They're like, F that. They're like, F that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: They're like, F that.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: They're like, F that. They're like, F that. They're like,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: F that. They're like, F that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: They're like, F that.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: It's just good hearing it from him, bro. He was
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: a dog. Yeah, he coached.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: But that was just kind of the way things were, like,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: you know, all the breweries in Milwaukee. So we just
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: had all kind of just beers. short dogs, millers, whatever.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: But it's funny.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Troy Flanagan, Dr.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Flanagan was there when you were there.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: But Dr. Troy was there. And so we were just
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: kind of having a casual conversation.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: He's from New Zealand, Australia. So Marcus said, what did
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: you guys do for recovery after games when you played?
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: I said, well, Dr.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Troy, we sat in the sauna, big drink. 10, 12
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: little short dogs of beer, smoke a pack of cigarettes,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: maybe do eight balls. He's like, I don't know. He's like, stop.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: I don't want to hear anymore. I don't want to
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: hear anymore. I'm just telling you to start recovering. I'll
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: put some extras on some of it. But the beer
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: and a lot of.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: The stuff, you know, that's just kind of what it
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: was like. There was no, none of that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: medically correct kind of way of approaching recovery. It was
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: just like, hey, drink your beer, get the fluids in
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: you while you're sitting in the sauna.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: The worst thing you can do.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: After you've played, you know, after you've sweated.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: And I would lose easily six, seven pounds during the
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: course of a game just to sweat.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: I sweated a lot as a player, yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I remember I was with the Clippers and we had
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: a surprise weigh-in before we played Portland and Don Chaney
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: was the coach. So he weighed me and I was like,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: and I've been drinking orange juice all day. I get
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: a pitcher of orange juice on game day and just hydrate.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Just drink a pitcher of orange juice in the course
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: of the day, not at once. And so I've been
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: hydrating all day. So they put me on the scale,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: surprised me. I think I weighed 230. I played about 224, 225.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: So Don Chaney's like, Marcus, you're fat. You're fat. See,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I knew it.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: You're fat. You're fat.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I said, Don, Don, it's water weight. That ain't no
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: damn water.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Weight, blah, blah, blah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Went out and played the game. I said, put me
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: on the scale after we played.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: We played.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Put me on the scale. I was like 217, 218, 219.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Lost about 10, 11 pounds.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Of that water weight.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So that's just kind of how we did it
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: back in the day.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: You think if y'all had all this stuff, like all
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the stuff that we got now, like all the technology,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: all the medical stuff, how much more better player would
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: you have been? Like Hoopin' and Chuck Taylors and stuff.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: What about you, Hasselman? Some real shoes.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: And a good clean body.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: That might be a little bit too much. But the shoes, no.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: But I was one of the first.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: I was part of that top 10.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: The top 10, remember those?
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: So I was in the top 10. You know, there's me,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Rick Barry, Billy Knight. I forgot the other guys that
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: were in the top 10. And those were the first
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: shoes that came out really padded on the side, cushions
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: on the bottoms, blah, blah, blah. They were too heavy.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I went back to the pro models right away. I
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: was like, I can't wear this shit, man. I can't
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: jump in these. I can't move in these.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: I went back to the little thin sole pro models.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: And, you know, Adidas.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: So Chuck Taylor's Converse in high school were the shoe.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: But then once we got the pro models at UCLA,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I just, I mean, that was the sweetest shoe that
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I'd ever had on my feet. And so, but, you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: to your point, Jeff, I mean, I think the thing
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I may have benefited from most, and we're talking and
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: laughing about all those substance issues and all that, which
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: I went through, but we didn't have the psychological support
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: that the guys today. I think that would have been
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: as much of a benefit. As all the other training,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: just somebody to talk things through. You listen to Giannis
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: talk and you can hear when he's talking about there's
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: no such thing as failure in the industry. Yeah, yeah.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Trying to, you know, make sure you get better and
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: this is what it is, you know.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: And so just having that kind of a mindset, I think,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: alleviates a lot of the self-induced pressure.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: You know, and that's what we're putting on ourselves, especially me,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: you know, like I'm like I say, obsessive, compulsive personality, introspective. And,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: you know, if I went 12 or 15 for a game,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: it was like the three shots I missed, I'd obsess over, like,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: God damn, I mean, I could have been, you know.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: And so the psychological support. And there's a guy by
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: the name of Kwaku Rommel-Smith, who was a Bucs psychiatrist, psychologist,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: when I first got there before Craig Manning took over.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: And he talks about that, just giving these guys an
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: outlet So that's some of that, that pressure that they're going, because,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, it's pressure. It's pressure performing on
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: that level, especially, you know, whether you're a role player
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: or a star, but especially if you were like a
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: star player.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: And I was first team all pro.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Second year in the league, 22 years old.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: It's a game.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: And now, you know, just trying to sustain that. And
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: then they have Don Nelson, my coach, who I love,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: but came to me before my third year. And he's like, Em,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: what do you think you can average going into your
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: third year? It's like, Me, George Girvin, and Will B. Free,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: we got to bet who's going to lead the league
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: in scoring. I'm going to average 30. He's like, there's
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: no doubt you could, but give me 20 a game
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: and seven rebounds, play solid defense, and spread the shots around. Now,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: the thing about that is that I averaged 26, shooting 55%
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: from the field. I was number one in the league
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: in offensive box plus minus. I was the most efficient
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: scorer in the league. It was almost like you should
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: shoot more.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Today, it'd be like, hey, you've got to get him.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: He's got a heliocentric. Be like Luka.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Be like Giannis.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: But at that time, they didn't have those kinds of analytics.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: So never made first team All-Pro again. I think I
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: was second team a couple of years. Larry Bird actually
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: supplanted me on the first team when he was a rookie.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: My third year, when the voting went from the players
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: to the media. So, you know, it's just.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: So we're trying to say you were really first team?
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Well, no, I will say that if I was allowed to.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Express myself offensively like i trained myself to yeah i
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: mean i was just a fundamentally sound you know mid-range
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: jumper get to the basket finished incredibly efficient um you
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: know if i would average 27 28 i would have
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: definitely been.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: First team all pro you know for a number.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Of years shooting 55 percent yeah i don't think people
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: realize how efficient that is yeah like to see people
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: do that now they're like see kevin durant or see
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: like shea sga shooting 50 from the field Average of
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: numbers is kind of crazy.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And even like a Chris Middleton that we had,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, that mid-range shot is looked down upon.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: But smart coaches and smart organizations.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: If they got a guy like a KD and we
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: had Chris and you can shoot it and knock it
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: down at that kind of a elite level clip, then...
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: It's all good.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like the best scorers got the mid-range game.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to. And that's because in the playoffs,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: they're cutting off the threes. They're cutting off the basket.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: They're giving up. That's what they're giving up is mid-range jumpers.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: And you've got guys that can knock those down, like
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: KD and some of these other players. DeMar DeRozan was
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: a mid-range master.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Still is.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Life off of that.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And he gave us 50 one game, I think.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: when he was with Toronto, just mid-rangers, you know, and
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: nothing you can do about it.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: That's interesting y'all say that because look at JB, the
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: two past finals MVPs.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: JB, SGA, for sure. Uh, everybody's not dead at all.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you, obviously, you know what I'm saying,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: did your thing, UCLA, got drafted, did your stuff. You've
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: got that first payday.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: What'd you do? Nothing responsible, not the career, take care
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: of the family. What was that first? All right, I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: made it. I'm in the league. I got that first
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: big boy check. What'd you spend it on? Well, it was.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: The big boy checks back in those days, weren't it? Like,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: like the big boy checks they are today. I bought a, uh,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I bought a Mercedes. I don't know why, but this
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: guy at Beverly Hills Mercedes, wife salesman, talked me into
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: buying like a 300 turbo diesel. And then the turbo
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: was going to make it go as fast as a
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: regular Mercedes. All the other guys, 450 SELs, all the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: other guys that I've come through with. But I wanted
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: to be different. So I bought my little 300 turbo diesel.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: But that was that, you know, I've made it to
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: the big time moment. But I mean, back in those days,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, the way contracts were structured, they were escalating.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: So my first year, I may have.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Made $ 100, 000, then maybe $ 105, 000.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Or something, $ 110, 000, $ 150, 000 the second year.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: That's why I held out. That's why Will Chamberlain started
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: talking to me and asking for more money.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Because what happened, I was making about $ 125, 000, $ 150, 000, something
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: like that. Ted Stepien became owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: He started paying these guys who couldn't hold my jockstrap. $ 400, 000, $ 600, 000.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I'm making like.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: $ 150, 000. Y'all tripping.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: I'm first team all pro. I'm making $ 130, 000 and these
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: guys are making $ 450, 000.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: So that led to a lot of acrimony between myself
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: and the Bucks. I held out two or three times
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: and I got my money. But it took its mental
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: and emotional toll because you go through hell. They paint
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: you as a villain.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: In the media and you're this and that and So.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Anyway, I mean, I remember when I held out one
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: time and I was in L.A. and this local, this
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: local was having some relationship issues with my wife. And
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: so this one sports journalist, Rod Luck, local Milwaukee TV station,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: he was on the phone when it came to him.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: It's like, OK, OK. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, I just
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: got it right here. Marcus Johnson's getting divorced. Yeah. That's
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: why he's having some personal issues. He's getting divorced. His
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: life is falling apart.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Dang.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so all that kind of stuff was jumping off.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: So it was a different era.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Dang, that's a different time for sure. Yeah, we met
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: a Pablo Torre for the Christmas. He ain't getting too
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: close to home.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: That shit's been happening then.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's that? The media? Yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: It's been on BS.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Well, back in those days, the really good reporters, quote unquote,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: would come by your house at 2 in the morning.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: And go through your garbage. Man, what?
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: You have to be careful. You have to be careful.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: See, DJ ain't locked in.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: You see where I'm at.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: They find whatever they find. That's where a lot of
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: the information that they're looking for to harm you can
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: be found.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: They're trying to find them little pet bottles.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Pet bottles.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Little wrappers and all that. Man, that's crazy. Yeah. was crazy.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: This brother got 20 pep bottles. What the hell? What
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: the hell's going on with him?
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: That is wild.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: We always talk about NIL, especially with Tegan Wake.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: For you, obviously, what you did at UCLA.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I know that would have been crazy if he was
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: able to get that NIL back in them days, boy,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: because y'all was unstoppable.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I had breakfast with a good friend of mine,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: former teammate with the Bucs, who was a longtime coach
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: in NCAA, Lorenzo Romar.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Washington Hill.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: St.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Louis, a lot of schools, Pepperdine. So he's at Loyola
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: right now as an assistant. And, you know, I was probably,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even say mid-major, maybe a little bit lower
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: than a mid-major, if that's not too disparaging.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: But we were having breakfast, and so.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, man, well, you know, give me the
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: range of what you guys pay a good player. So
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: he's like, you know, get around a mil for a year.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Loyola?
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I mean, that was kind of the range
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: that he talked about. But then he turned it on me.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: He's like, man, look, MJ, if you were playing right now,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: going into your senior year, seven, eight, the Bonster kind
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: of money, you know, which... I'm not.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Mad at it. Somebody should be making the money. It
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: should be the players.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: If they want to say you got to stay for
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: two years minimum, a mic could roll with that.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: You think they should put a cap on it, though?
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: In terms of the money?
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: To me, we talk about capitalism in this country until
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: it comes time to pay athletes.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Athletes, yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Basketball players. Pennis players, they get what they can. Other
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: sports get what they can. These individual sports, But they
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: start talking about the amateurism and how it's ruining the
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: sport and blah, blah, blah.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: But it's been going on forever. It's nothing new.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: But it's just the amount of money. And like we know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, everybody's not going to get that. But at
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: the same time, this is the nature of the beast
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: right now. And the only thing I would say is
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: maybe you can... ask a guy to stick around. If
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: you're going to pay him that much money, you know, for,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: for a couple of years, you have a chance to
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: get a little continuity with your team. So there's a
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: guy that's been able to move the portal from one
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: school to the next three schools in three years, whatever,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not crazy about that, but I mean,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: the money's crazy.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: The money's sick. I mean, trust me, it did.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: When I found out that, like, we were talking, me
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: and my son Chris, we were talking about somebody getting
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: $ 5 million. I was like, so that's, what, three or
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: four years? No, Dad, that's per season.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Like, per season?
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: College?
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Six months, baby.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: You know a kid that just got, what, Florida got, what,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: six million? Six million from Louisville, baby.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Six million from Louisville. But I, you know, just that.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: It's kind of scary imagining me with 5 million.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: At 18, 19.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: 18, 19.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Me at 17.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: MJ would have been so jealous. My car.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I don't own the strip club. Shout out to Lenny's, baby.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Is the Red Garner still here?
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Nah.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Nah, they closed the Red Garner down.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, the Red Garner. Oh, jeez.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: The Red Garner.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: The last time you was in it.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: That was a spot. See, that was a spot back
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: in the 80s. That was a spot.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: The Red Garner. What are you talking about?
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Raquel Daniel.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: She's the best.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: She was on stage. She liked this fire. She'd do
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: a little thing on the fire. Oh, yeah, they liked it.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: They liked it. They didn't like no fire.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: I can't on that yet.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Bring it back.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Bring it back.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Maybe 70 years old.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: We went to the recipe.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: We went to the street. She may have a cane
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: or something. All my patients were hanging out tough in there.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's when I fell in love with Raquel.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Booter in with her, my son.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: You ain't got to live like this, man.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: It's different. I love this.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Red Garter, buddy. That was a spot. That's crazy. Chicago,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the Red Garter.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: There was no Magic City at that time in the 80s.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: It was the Red Garden.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: I always talk about that all the time.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what y'all missing.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: That was a good hangout.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: We got to bring it back. What did you say
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: her name was again? Raquel. I see my uncle, I'm
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: going to ask him. The Red Gardener, baby. Oh, man,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: that is insane, man. Wow. R.B. Hinn.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: He don't watch too many movies, but you were part
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: of one of his favorite movies for sure. How did
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: that come about, man, being in a cult classic?
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, man, that was a great experience. Ironically, we were
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: doing a film for this guy in the hills of Pasadena,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: just a real kind of guerrilla shoot. It wasn't no trailers.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: It was a student film. He didn't have a whole
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: lot of money. He spent it all on camera crew
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: and and things like that. So a bunch of ballplayers
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: were just doing him a favor. And the film was
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: based on the life of Raymond Lewis. This guy I
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: was telling you guys about, the all-time greatest player out
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: of L.A., Lewis Price, who sang with The Temptations, was
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: starring as Raymond Lewis. He was also in The White
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Man Can't Jump, the last scene with Freeman Williams. He
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: played Ducker King, or one of those two guys that
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Woody and Wesley played against.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: So we're shooting this film.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: I met a guy, Silk Cozart, former ballplayer actor, He
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: knew the writer, director of White Man Can't Jump, Ron Shelton.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: So he told me like, look, he's looking for a
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: guy to play this playground thug. I think he'd be
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: perfect for the part. I'm going to see if you
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: can come in to audition. So he got me the audition.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: I got the lines we're going to go over, me
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: and Wesley Snipes. And I saw that in the scene,
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: there was a part in there where my character, Raymond Dickens,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: pulls out a knife.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: So I was like, my father's a barber, master barber.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: Barber box keeps all his tools.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Let me work on this, like, razor technique that I
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: saw in this movie, J.D. 's Revenge, where this guy
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: pulled out a razor, one hand, opened it up. So
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: I worked on that for a few days, got that down.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Went in, did the audition, Wesley Snipes, went into my
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: playground mode, blah, blah, blah. Came time to pull out
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: the blade. I reached in my pocket, pulled out this
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: real razor, one hand, opened it up, started chasing Wesley
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Snipes around the audition room.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Motherfucker, I'll kill you.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: And so the scene went great, but the director was like, okay, cut, cut, cut, cut.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: You got the part. But when we started shooting this,
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: leave that fucking razor in the heart. You're going to
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: kill somebody. We got props for that. But that's how
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I got the part. But it was the greatest experience, man.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: You know, Wesley was not a ball player.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: He was an athlete.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: He could stay.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: He's like 5'8, 5'9. He could stand flat footed and
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: grab the rim with two hands easily. 10-foot rim. A
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: martial arts guy. Woody Harrelson was a gym rat. He
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: played ball all the time. First time we were playing
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: together out at the Hollywood Y.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: Hollywood Y.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: And so Woody's playing, and he calls a bad call.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, he's called foul. I was like, man,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: come on. That's not no foul, man. That's some bullshit, Woody.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: He's like, you trying to impugn my integrity? You trying
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: to impugn my integrity?
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Huh?
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: You trying to impugn my integrity? I said, look, man,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: with the Crenshaw, I don't know what impugn means. But
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: it was a bullshit call. He started laughing. So we
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: kind of hit it off after that. But it was
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: a great experience, man.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: That's hard.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: And the character that I played, Raymond Dickens, was based
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: on a true story that I wrote a screenplay about,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: as a matter of fact. Yes, sir. But this guy,
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Reggie Harding, played for the Pistons, one of the first
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: high school to pro guys, but he was a heroin addict.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: And so, but his life was just full of one calamity.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: But in the research, I interviewed Dave Bing and Bob
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Lanier and Freddie Lewis, who played with the Pacers, a
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: great Pacer. Yes, sir.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: A whole bunch of guys. Oliver Darden.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, these guys that played in the ABA back
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: in the day. And everybody told me, man, Rod Thorne
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: was a teammate of his who was with the Bucs
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: for a while, I think, when you were there, Jeff.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: But they all tell me the same thing, that Reggie
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Harding was a great guy, but he just had this
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: heroin addiction, this monkey on his back that would cause
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: him to do some irrational stuff. So he was pulling
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: pistols on people. There's one story when they were in
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: San Francisco. And back in those days, they'd play these
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Midwest teams, East Coast teams, come out West, they'll play
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: like a three-game series. So they'd be in one city
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: for like a week. So Reggie Harding brought a couple
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: of chicks out there.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: He was actually pimping.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: He brought a couple of chicks from Detroit to the
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Bay Area and San Francisco. And so something happened, something transpired.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Ray Scott told me this story. And they said, you're
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: going to need to come get your boy, Reggie.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: He's going off. So they went to the room where
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: everybody was playing cards.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: The girls were in there. Reggie had this one chick
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: dangling by her feet over the rail, like a 20-story
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: window or something, this hotel, just like over the banister.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: So they finally got him to let her go. But
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: I found out later that he thought she was shortchanging
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: him on his money. But that's the kind of dude.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: One game at halftime, he didn't play a lot in
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: the first half. So they come in at halftime, and
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: the coach is getting ready to talk about the adjustments
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: in the second half, and they hear a big thud.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: And they look around, and Reggie's dropped this big. 45
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: pistol on the floor. So the coach is like, Reg,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: what's going on? He's like, I don't know, buddy.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I don't play in the second half.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I better play it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Play me three minutes in the second half, and you'll
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: find out what's going on.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Man, you done seen some wild shit.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, that's out of pocket. But anyway,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: he wound up getting shot in the head, spent some
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: time in prison, and wound up getting shot in the
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: head at 30 years old. They think it was an
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: inside job, some drug dealer, some money. But that story
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: about him going into the liquor store in Detroit, mask on,
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: seven feet tall, you know, with a pistol. Give me
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: your money.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: And the guy's like, come on.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Richie, man. on. It's the third time you got me.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Reggie supposedly said, this ain't me. This ain't me. So
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: that's where that story.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: This ain't me. This ain't me.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: This ain't me.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: I'll be the Reg. Hey, you're simple talk.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: Reggie Harden.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: That fucking hero was tearing Reggie up, boy.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: This ain't me. It's crazy. At seven foot. It's wild.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: My car, I get my other gun. It's hilarious. Yeah.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: No, we had a good time with that, man. And
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: it's funny.
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: I was.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: I got a 17-year-old daughter. She'll be 17 on the
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: 25th of September, but Shiloh. So we were working out
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: at this park in Englewood, Rogers Park. So these young
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: hoopers were in there, two high school guys, 16, 17
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: years old. So their coach knew who I was. They
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: didn't know me. So he's like, guys, I want you
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: guys to meet this guy. This is Marcus Johnson, one
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: of the greatest players in L.A. history, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: And they kind of had this blank look on their face.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: I'm like, coach, they have no idea. You guys never
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: heard of him? They're like, no, no. I said, you
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: guys seen White Man Can't Jump?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: They're like, yeah.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: I said, remember the liquor store scene?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: The guy comes in. Oh, man, that was you. Oh, man.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: So I told the coach, that's how I'm known now
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: more than anything I ever did as a basketball player,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: especially with this generation. It's all good.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I don't mind.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: It's all good. Better be known for something than basketball.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: No, for sure. But you was really cold in the NBA. Yeah.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: You really all-star, all that shit. Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: And at the time period that you was hooping, too,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: that was like the renaissance era of the league where
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: everybody was coming in. You had the stars coming in
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: and the league just expanded. You was still killing it.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: I was going at them.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: I was going at Bird, going at Doc.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, they had a poll of
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: general managers around that time, early 80s, like who would
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: be the first player you would draft if you were
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: starting a franchise.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: And I won that, like, a couple of years in
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: a row just from being an all-around player.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: And that's why this Hall of Fame thing where I've
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: been a finalist five times in a row or five
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: times and have not been inducted those five times, making
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: the final cut.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's disappointing.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I feel like my peers
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: know kind of what the real deal is. And about
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: the third time I didn't make it, I was dropping
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: my daughter Shiloh off at a tournament out in Orange County.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: And so we got to the venue and then all
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: of a sudden my phone lights up and it says Clyde.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: So I tell my daughter, you're going in. I got
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: to take this. So Clyde, that's Walt Frazier. You're next.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: And so I was like, what's up, man? He's like, man,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: this is some bullshit, man. F these motherfuckers, man. F them, man.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: You deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: They did the same shit to me, man.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This don't define who you
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: are as.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: A person or as a man. I was like, Clyde,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: can I quote you on that? Yeah, you can quote
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: me on that shit, man.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: F these motherfuckers.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: F them, man.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: F them. And so... My sentiments aren't that harsh, but
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: at the same time, it's like, hey, if it happens,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: it happens.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: If it doesn't, I'm not going to lose any sleep
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: over it.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: They got to get you in there. Yeah, you got
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: to get you in there.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: Hey, dude.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: Hey, dude.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, dude.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Hey, dude.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Hey, dude.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Hey, dude. Hey, dude. Hey, dude.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Hey, dude.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: Hey, dude.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Hey, dude.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Hey, dude.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: It was a new game to this plan. Well, you
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? You go through the time, the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: different areas and put teams together who can get a tool.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Right. And people was looking at your set.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: I was like, who is this? Like, no, he was
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: getting one of those. One of the combinations.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: It was like 25.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: And that's, that's funny.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Cause, uh, and that was the other thing that, that, that, that,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: had me relatable to the younger generation.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: I'd have, like, just randoms coming up to me. Man,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: you know, you got a 96?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: You're a 96 on 2K or whatever. 94, 95, whatever
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: it was. I'm like, nah, what does that mean? It
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: means you're really good.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: You're really good. Then you better get them checks. For sure. Ronnie,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: make it right.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll get out of here. We got to
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: talk about, obviously, still tapping with the Bucks. Hell of
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: an offseason.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Hell of an offseason.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Y'all, this is now South Beach.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Woof.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: What's going on, T? I think they're going to be good, man.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to be an underrated team.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: Why do you say that? Why do you say that?
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: I just like Tyler Hero. I think he's going to
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: have a chip on his shoulder from leaving Miami. Not
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: to say they didn't want him, but obviously he was
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: a trade piece for Giannis. You got Miles Turner, who's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: coming off of, I would say, a disappointing year for himself.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: So he's going to bounce back. Then you got the
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: young guys. Rylance is going to come ready to play.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Kevin Porter Jr., he's fighting for a contract. He's going
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: to play well.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Braylon Burress, this kid out of Arizona.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Nice. He can score the ball. Khalil Ware. Khalil Ware,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: a talented big that they got out of that track.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I got to play him.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: Amen.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: Amen.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: The kid from Tennessee. I mean, he's down in the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: ball right now, but give him some time to develop.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: No, it's going to be interesting, man.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I just think they underrated. Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, Javi Jaquez. I mean, Javi.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Javi.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Javi 15 a game last year.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: You know, Miami. I think a play-in team. I'm shooting
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: for play. Hell no. I mean, you got to think
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: about Charlotte. We said the same thing about Charlotte last year.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, did you?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: You got to use Khalil Ware though, bro. They can't
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: use what they did in Miami. They are. Option number
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: one shots for sure. Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: The great story about Tyler is that he played for
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Playground Warriors. This inner city team played at
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: the Hillside Projects. I live downtown.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: That's where you hear all the shooting coming from.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: That area of the town two or three times a month.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Gunplay.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: But he grew up playing.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: At the boys club at the hillside project. So I'm
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: just saying, he's got.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: This, he's got, but he's back at home, but he's
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: got this attitude. He's got chip, this attitude and, that
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: he brings to the court that I just love as
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: a player.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: And what kind of year did he have last year?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: I know he was hurt.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was okay.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: But I think he had that all-star season.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I think he's ready. He's due for another one.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's due for another one.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: And it's about that contract time, too. You know what
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: time it is.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the collection of young players. Taylor Jenkins,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: I love as a coach. Was he?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in Atlanta.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he was gone the championship year,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: but Watching him, Jeff, I mean, just, this is in Milwaukee,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: the one year he was there, but he would do
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: the post-practice shooting games. He had a whole round robin tournament,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: the whole four thing, and the guys just were plugged
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: in and going, talking trash to each other. But, I mean, really,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: really putting in a whole lot of energy and effort
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: on just something that's normally guys not really tripping on. Like, hey,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: this practice is over with. I'm just going to get
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: some shots up and I'm out of here. But, I mean,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: it was a whole thing. Yeah. His energy level for
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: this young team, what we got right now, I think
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: is perfect.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: So, you know, and what he did in Memphis.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: That's the same thing I was just about to say. Yeah,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Not to say, you know, John Morant and them was young,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: but he got them going quick.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Memphis wasn't supposed to be good.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Number two in the West, bro. He got it cracking. Yeah,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: they weren't supposed to be good that quick. The East
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: is just so loaded.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: It is loaded. Yeah. It's kind of top-heavy, though. For
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: them to be playing, bro. It's kind of top-heavy. I
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: don't want to speak too much on the East. I mean,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: it's kind of top-heavy, though. You got Boston. You got
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: New York.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: Philly.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Philly. Got Miami, I guess. Cleveland.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Did I put Cleveland up there?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Cleveland.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: L.A., yes, sir.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: But after that, it's kind of, hold on, you're not
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: going to mention, right now, we got Indiana.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: I like Tyrese.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Tyrese is back.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: But that's six right there. After that.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: Orlando, you know, Orlando with Sean Sweeney, my guy from
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: Milwaukee with Jason Kidd, Dallas.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: He's a head coach. Ben Carroll's been working out with Kevin.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: Durant the whole summer.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: I think I read.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to be interesting.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, they could be one of those teams. Well,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Orlando's the same team. We keep saying, yeah, bronze and P5.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Are they going to play this season? You didn't even
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: mention the Hawks.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: But it's the same. I think I like the Hawks.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm a Hawks guy, but it's the same way.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: We lost.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Y'all don't know. We had Kaminga. Kaminga played a big
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: role for us.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: He gone.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: I hope the Hawks do well, but I think Milwaukee's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: going to be it.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair, you know, I'll be hating,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: but Picking up Lou Dort, Aaron Wiggins, I think I
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: had a hell of an offseason.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I had a hell of an offseason, bro.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: That should be nice, bro. Because we was terrible before
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Trae Young, Trae.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: It was wicked. It was wicked for Stuart. Well, Hung,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: just have fun this season.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: It's about the Sixers, though. I mean, so, yeah, LeBron, but, God,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Jalen Brown.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: All right, what's your honest opinion on it?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Well, William, my honest opinion is that Jalen Brown, Tyrese Maxey,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: the young boy, Edgecrow. I mean, they got a lot
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: of talent. I don't know what the bench is like,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: but a guy that could be really key off that
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: bench is a UCLA guy, Dembona.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: He's like 6'8, 6'9, but he's an energy guy. Ben
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: Wallace kind of running, jumping, dunking, shot blocking. So depending
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: on Embiid and how much he can play.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Not much.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: But they've got so many.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: High usage guys.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: Their cumulative usage is like 134% whatever, just cumulative guys
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: based on last year, which is crazy. But I think
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: if they can kind of figure that out, LeBron, I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: don't think wants all that smoke right now. I think
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: he's going to be happy to defer. He's got guys
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: he can defer to. I love him. I love Jalen Brown.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting, man. They're going to be tough.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Who do you think would be easier to jail? Miami
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: or Philly? Miami. You ain't got to go in there.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: I just, you know.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: I like Miami. Me too.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: In terms of easier to jail.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, Giannis. Ball on.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Giannis gets a lot of criticism for the lack of
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: the jumper, but he's so reliable. You keep putting 30
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: and 12. 30 and 12. You know, however he gets it.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: And then just stuff I'm reading, Davion Mitchell coming back
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: is in great shape. Yeah. And now he's, he had
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: a 40, percent three-point shooting year last year. Now he's
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: in great shape. And Wiggins, their defense, Bam and Giannis defensively.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Incredible. They shutting that paint down.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, damn, yeah, those took me. Bam, I'm just
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: thinking about him defensively. He's one of the guys.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: That gave Giannis the toughest time as a defender.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: And now you got him and Giannis. Giannis is going
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: to be motivated, trying to prove a point, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: 31 years old, chance to win another championship with the Heat.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Pat Riley's kind of culture down there that he's developed
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: in terms of low body, fat, being in great shape. So,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, Miami's going to be interesting. And Eric Spocher,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: I love him as a coach.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: He just, you know.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: I couldn't find any player that fits Miami's system better
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: than Giannis.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: Like, he a workout freak.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like, to fit that system, it's a match
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: made in heaven right there.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But one thing people ain't talking about, defending champs.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: The Knicks brought everybody back. I know sometimes you get
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: a championship hangover. Get a little full from getting dumped.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: That loss for Mr.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Robinson.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Big, bro. That is a big loss for sure.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Robinson was a monster. That is a big loss. I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: don't even know how you refilled that position. I hope
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Andre Drummick, you know what I'm saying, could fill that role. Yeah,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: Dre had to go ass, though. He had to go.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: I like Mr. Robinson. Hey, that's crazy because Drumm is
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: one of the best offensive rebounders, period.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Mr. Robinson, top tier.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: But that works out for the Celtics I didn't mention
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Nah, I got them on the top.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Five for sure.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: Celtics, yeah, no, without question, man. But it's tough to repeat.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's been a repeat champion. I don't know, seven, eight, nine.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: It's been a while. I can't even remember the last
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: team to win back.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Golden State, probably.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Was it?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Probably Golden State.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: That's a little 217s, 218s.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: And that's one of the best teams we've ever seen
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: in our life.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the KD.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the KD.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, two-peated in Golden State. So I just, you know, for.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: The Knicks is going to be hard from that standpoint.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: Just the energy that they expended getting there, playing until
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: mid to late June and all the stuff they had
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: to go through, the pressure moments they had to perform
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: that they did. They embraced them, but Now to come
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: back and do it again, running back like that, man,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: that's going to be tough. And the other teams have
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: gotten better.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, New York got their chip.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Toronto got better. Toronto with Kawhi.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Come on, baby. I forgot about it. Now I'll be here.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about it.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Toronto.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: The real is back. Let's go.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: He don't want to acknowledge that Kawhi put a chip up,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: but he's back to reclaim the throne, bro.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: The squad is back. They'll be cool, though. It'll be
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: a good thing.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Now we'll see what happens for sure, man. OG, listen, man,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: we appreciate you, man. Honored to have you here. Couldn't
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: believe it. Glad we could make it happen, man. Crystal
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Chronicles is out now, correct?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. On Amazon.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Pick it up.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: It's a good read. Yeah, good read, man. OG. Always welcome.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you pulling up for sure, man. We got to
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: talk about the Bucs later this season, man.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I ain't no user at school. We got to kick
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: it again. I got to pull up. We got to
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: go out.
• 1:11:29
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• 1:11:31
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• 1:11:32
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• 1:11:34
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• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: We got to run it back.
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