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Bonus Episode: Addressing the Tila Tequila Rumor, Billy Corgan’s Shapeshifter, and a Glorious Rock ‘N’ Roll Jimmy Kimmel Performance. · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch, to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: the little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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  Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. Of this bonus episode. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are discussing the Tila Tequila rumor regarding our new
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  Speaker 1: friend Billy Corgan. And speaking of friends, we're getting into
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  Speaker 1: friend of the pod Low Connie's performance on the Jimmy
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  Speaker 1: Kimmel Show this week, and we get into your emails, comments, dms,
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  Speaker 1: and as always a whole lot of rosie. This is
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  Speaker 1: the pot for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent
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  Speaker 1: thinkers who know that the best history is the history
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  Speaker 1: that gets buried. Disgrace Lands, where I tell the stories
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  Speaker 1: they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling
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  Speaker 1: someone else. All Right, disc goes let's get into it,
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  Speaker 1: all right, guys. In this week's Disgrace Land episode on
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  Speaker 1: Smashing Pumpkins, we get into Billy Corgan's claim that at
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  Speaker 1: one point he was with a woman in bed and
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  Speaker 1: he saw that woman shape shift into another being. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I know this is insane. It's the type of ludicrous
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  Speaker 1: story that we really don't get into here in Disgrace Them,
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  Speaker 1: but we talked about it this week in the Billy
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  Speaker 1: Corgan Smashing Pumpkins episode, because I'm interested in why Billy
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  Speaker 1: Corgan would publicly make a claim like this, as he
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  Speaker 1: did twice on the Howard Stern Show. So I'm more
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  Speaker 1: interested in the reason why he would say something like
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  Speaker 1: this than I am interested in whether or not I
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  Speaker 1: think this actually happened. For the record, I do not
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  Speaker 1: believe that this happened. I don't believe that shape shifters exist.
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  Speaker 1: I believe in a lot of crazy shit, but shape
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  Speaker 1: shape shifters, excuse me, are It's not just I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe in them, Okay, but there are plenty of people
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  Speaker 1: who do. And you know whatever, go ahead, believe believe
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  Speaker 1: what you want to believe. It turns out that people
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  Speaker 1: on the Internet who do believe in shape shifters. Some
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  Speaker 1: of them also believe in a lot of wackadu conspiracy theories,
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that are often centered around music industry celebrities
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  Speaker 1: and Hollywood types media elites who are caught up in
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of evil doings. I'm talking specifically about what
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  Speaker 1: is known as the Ball theory, be a apostrophe, a
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  Speaker 1: l The theory of Ball is a super viral conspiracy theory
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  Speaker 1: entertained by I don't want to say serious people, more
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  Speaker 1: like want to be Alex Jones types. And I do, however,
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  Speaker 1: want to point out that regular people on the Internet,
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  Speaker 1: some of them, anyways, I guess, who are bored, who
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  Speaker 1: are not very curious, perhaps gullible, or some combination of
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  Speaker 1: everything that I just mentioned. These folks, some of them
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  Speaker 1: do believe in this theory. I've seen it. I read
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  Speaker 1: the comments. Okay, and the theory of Ball proponents believe,
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  Speaker 1: as the theory goes, that rock stars, Hollywood celebrities, in
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  Speaker 1: media elites worship a false deity named Ball, and that
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  Speaker 1: they make blood sacrifices in exchange for their fame. Blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah. I get it. Okay, So, in other words,
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein wasn't just a pedo he worshiped Ball. Sean
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  Speaker 1: Didy Combs wasn't just an abusive sex free key worship ball.
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  Speaker 1: Chrissy Tigan is not just a shitty bully. She worships
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  Speaker 1: Ball and Billy Kor didn't just see a person shape
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  Speaker 1: shift into another being? He did so while ceremonially worshiping Ball.
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  Speaker 1: Here's my problem with these theories. Aside from the obvious,
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  Speaker 1: I guess this is my problem with the world that
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  Speaker 1: we live in right now. Can it be enough that
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein is just a proven pedophile, or that Sean
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  Speaker 1: Diddy Comb's is a convicted abusive sex freak. Can it
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  Speaker 1: be enough that there are online receipts proving Chrissy Tagan's
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  Speaker 1: deplorable behavior, and that Billy Corgan one of the biggest
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  Speaker 1: rock stars of the nineties, a figure still very much
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  Speaker 1: in the culture. Can it be enough that he claims
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  Speaker 1: he saw a human shape shift into another being. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's pretty fucked up in and of itself. No, why
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  Speaker 1: do we have to take it to this other place?
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  Speaker 1: I ask because when we posted on Instagram this week
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  Speaker 1: our preview of the Billy corgan story, a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: people chimed in the Billy had already revealed that the
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  Speaker 1: person that he saw shape shift was reality TV star
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  Speaker 1: Tila Tequila, which Billy Corgan absolutely did not do. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: He has never claimed that Tila Tequila is the woman
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  Speaker 1: that he claims he saw shape shift to do another
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  Speaker 1: being naturally. When I saw these comments at I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to know what the fuck was. I was like, do
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  Speaker 1: we miss something? What's going on? People are so certain
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  Speaker 1: he already revealed it was Tila Tequila. It's Tila Tequila.
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  Speaker 1: Dumbass anyways, Uh you know, so I go online, I
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  Speaker 1: try to dig into this admittedly absurd claim, and I
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  Speaker 1: get sucked into this fucking world of ball. Okay, quick
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  Speaker 1: side note, By the way, the best most entertaining example
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  Speaker 1: of the ball theory in this occult God's influence on
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  Speaker 1: celebrities is the Anderson Cooper photo where he's seated on
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  Speaker 1: his bed as a child with his mother, the heiress
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  Speaker 1: Gloria Vanderbilt, in front of a piece of art on
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  Speaker 1: the wall the conspiracy theorists claim depicts a ball blood
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  Speaker 1: ritual sacrifice. You can look this up. The ball theorists
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  Speaker 1: are onto something here, as crazy as it is, because
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  Speaker 1: the artwork in the photo is fucked up. Whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: it is certainly too fucked up to be hanging in
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  Speaker 1: a child's bedroom. But maybe Gloria Vanderbilt just had some
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  Speaker 1: weird taste in art or whatever. I'm not judging, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm also not saying that Anderson Cooper is part
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  Speaker 1: of this whole fucking ball ritual blood sacrifice cult. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Back to Billy Corgan and Tila Tequila. Billy Corgan never
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  Speaker 1: admitted the shape shifter was Tila Tequila. Okay, file this
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  Speaker 1: under people. They just hear a snippet of information online
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  Speaker 1: and they take it as truth. He already said it
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  Speaker 1: was Tillo Tequila, and now we didn't. He did not
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  Speaker 1: say that. There is online discourse that does claim Tila Tequila,
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  Speaker 1: who once kind of sort of dated Billy Corgan, was
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  Speaker 1: the shape shifter. But if you dig through the ball
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  Speaker 1: nonsense connected to this claim, you'll quickly find the source
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  Speaker 1: of this Tila Tequila claim that she was the shape
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  Speaker 1: shifter of Billy Corgan's You'll find the source that says that.
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  Speaker 1: And the source is you ready for it. There is
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  Speaker 1: no source there's a dude in a fucking Twitch gamer
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  Speaker 1: studio or whatever on the Rumble app with an unsourced
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  Speaker 1: letter from an anonymous Chicago musician who, I shit, you
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  Speaker 1: not know someone who heard something from someone who says
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  Speaker 1: Billy Corgan told them the shape shifter was Tila Tequila.
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  Speaker 1: It's fucking dumb, my brain. I'm dumber for even saying
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  Speaker 1: these words right now. I can't believe I'm talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: So why am I talking about it? Right Well? I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about, like I said, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: talk about why, why Billy Corgan would make this claim?
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting to me. I like Billy Corgan. Sure he
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  Speaker 1: says a lot of provocative things, but he's thoughtful and
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  Speaker 1: he's a provocateur, and we need that in our culture. Safe,
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  Speaker 1: carefully spoken rock stars are boring rock stars, and we
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  Speaker 1: have enough of those. And I think Billy Corgan either
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  Speaker 1: thinks he saw a shape shifter or he hallucinated and
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  Speaker 1: is convinced that he saw a shape shifter. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it might even be Tila Tequila. I mean it makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: She looks like a fucking lizard anyways, and her opinions
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  Speaker 1: are certainly subhuman. But Billy Corgan never claimed it was
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  Speaker 1: Tila Tequila. He already said it was Deal tequila. You
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  Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck you're talking about. There's no
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  Speaker 1: proof anywhere that supports this, and this is just another example,
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  Speaker 1: much like the allegations against John Fruchiante from last week
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  Speaker 1: pertaining to Ruver Phoenix. This's another example of that where
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  Speaker 1: people just very online, people just accept things without proof,
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  Speaker 1: without sources. I wrote in my notes, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why this bothers me so much, but I do know
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  Speaker 1: why it bothers me. Now you can say this is dumb,
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  Speaker 1: this is stupid. I shouldn't even be breathing air into
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  Speaker 1: these theories, these conversations, shouldn't be having them, but I
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  Speaker 1: do think it's important to talk about. And the reason
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  Speaker 1: that this bothers me so much is because I believe
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  Speaker 1: in the truth. When I say that, I'm talking about
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  Speaker 1: the truth in music history specifically, and lately, the more
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  Speaker 1: I look around the internet, particularly on YouTube or in
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  Speaker 1: the comments sections on in our Instagram, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: this is why Instagram works. With a side note, right nowadays, Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: it most of it doesn't go out to you guys,
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  Speaker 1: the followers who follow me on Instagram. When I post something,
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  Speaker 1: it goes to non followers and people who just fucking
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  Speaker 1: jump in the comments and say dumb shit and I
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  Speaker 1: know don't read the comments. Well, I'm discouraged because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like as a society we are quickly losing our
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  Speaker 1: grip on the truth. We are quickly losing our grip
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  Speaker 1: on what's real, on what actually happened, and the Internet,
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  Speaker 1: more and more is filled with bullshit. YouTube is a
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  Speaker 1: perfect example, the music history videos on YouTube, with these
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  Speaker 1: insanely sensationalized claims, these fucking wackado, cheesy thumbnails and titles
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  Speaker 1: of the videos. Very little of it is backed by
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  Speaker 1: actual research and actual truth. And some of these videos
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  Speaker 1: rack up gazillions of views. And this is why I care,
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  Speaker 1: because sooner or later, the bullshit is going to outbalance
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  Speaker 1: the actual history, and sooner or later, when that happens,
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  Speaker 1: the AI overlords are not going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: discern between what actually happened versus what the most viral
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  Speaker 1: video on the Internet says happened. And when that takes place,
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  Speaker 1: we're all fucked. Okay, I'm interested in the real music
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  Speaker 1: history because real music history is already crazy enough it's
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  Speaker 1: wild that Billy Corgan actually said he saw a fucking
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  Speaker 1: shape shifter. That is crazy enough. People. The point of
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  Speaker 1: the show, the point of what I've been doing for
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  Speaker 1: the last few years, is that what rock stars do,
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  Speaker 1: what rockstars say. Okay, what actually happened in music history.
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  Speaker 1: These stories are crazy enough, They're endlessly compelling. We don't
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  Speaker 1: need to take everything to the nth degree and start
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  Speaker 1: inventing stories and conspiracies that did not take place. Tila
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  Speaker 1: Tequila and some ball a cult sex sacrifice. I've spent
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  Speaker 1: this whole podcast so far talking about this bullshit, and
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  Speaker 1: I haven't yet once mentioned the actual, real, batshit crazy
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  Speaker 1: things that Tila Tequila has said. And I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to to prove my point, to prove that all this shitty,
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  Speaker 1: sensationalized storytelling is a drag on the truth. We should
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  Speaker 1: be talking about why Billy Corgan would associate himself with
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  Speaker 1: someone who once said Hitler was a quote man of compassion.
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  Speaker 1: But we're not. Again, We're talking about fucking ball Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Part of the reason I think Billy Corgan has said
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  Speaker 1: these things, has said this in particular, is because, like
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  Speaker 1: I said earlier, he's a provocateur, but he's also a
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  Speaker 1: student of music history himself, and he understands that throughout
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  Speaker 1: music history, musicians have made outrageous claims like John Lennon
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  Speaker 1: in the UFO, like Ozzy Osbourne in the Leprechauns. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: he gets this, He understands, and he knows that as
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  Speaker 1: a rock star, it's part of the gig in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ways, okay, and it's what differentiates him. And
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  Speaker 1: like I said, he may actually believe he saw that.
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  Speaker 1: People do a lot of fucked up shit. They take
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  Speaker 1: a lot of drugs, and they see things. Fuck, man,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen things. Okay, never seen a leprechaun or a
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  Speaker 1: fucking shape shifter, but I've seen things that I go,
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  Speaker 1: whoa wait, what the fuck was that? Differences? I can't
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  Speaker 1: go on Howard Stern yet and talk about this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: He can't, and he does, and I'm I'm glad he does,
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  Speaker 1: but I want to know why he does. That's the
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  Speaker 1: interesting part, the motivation. Anyways, like I said, he knows
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  Speaker 1: lots of rock stars have made claims like this that
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  Speaker 1: and are going to unpack a bunch more of them
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  Speaker 1: in the exclusive section of this Year After Party Bonus episode.
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  Speaker 1: got carried away there, I gotta calm down. Hold on,
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  Speaker 1: need some coffee. Coffee is like the last thing I
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  Speaker 1: need right now, but hold on, Tila, fuck it, Tequila
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  Speaker 1: kidding me? Anyways, listen. This week, coming up in the
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  Speaker 1: feed another story that the conspiracy theorists don't need any
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  Speaker 1: help with. It's the story of Debbie Harry and Blondie.
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  Speaker 1: I made the mistake last week in the after party
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  Speaker 1: of mentioning that that was what was coming up in
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  Speaker 1: the rewind. I fucked up. Actually I didn't fuck up.
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  Speaker 1: Someone else did not gonna name names, Brett the intern,
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  Speaker 1: but we ended up saying that Woods sorry that Debbie
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  Speaker 1: Harry was coming when it wasn't. It was Woodstock. That
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  Speaker 1: was the last rewind episodes. This week, we definitely have
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  Speaker 1: Blondie and Debbie Harry coming up in the feed in
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  Speaker 1: the rewind slot, and everything I said about it last
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  Speaker 1: week pertains to this week. Same stuff. People go crazy
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  Speaker 1: over this story because they think that Debbie Harry is
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  Speaker 1: me it up. She's an unreliable narrator, just like Billy Corgan.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they think, that she's making up this experience
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  Speaker 1: she had with none other than Ted BONDI. I believe
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  Speaker 1: Debbie Harry. And it's not just because of just knee
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  Speaker 1: jerk just believing what she says, because she's a rock star,
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  Speaker 1: she's a victim or whatever it's. It's because the facts
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  Speaker 1: actually when you look at them, when you dig into history,
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  Speaker 1: when you dig, when you dig just like an inch
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  Speaker 1: deeper into the surface level of all this, you will
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  Speaker 1: find that her depiction of what happened is actually backed
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  Speaker 1: by the facts. And that's coming up in the Blondie
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  Speaker 1: episode this week in the rewind slot. Then after that
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: our new episode on the Almond Brothers. Yes, finally it's here,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: as requested, our episode on the Almond Brothers. Now. I
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: don't think the Almond Brothers liked being categorized as a
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  Speaker 1: Southern rock band. But I mean, you kind of when
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  Speaker 1: you think Southern rock, you just think you think Almond Brothers,
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  Speaker 1: You think Leonard Skinnered, Right, that's what you think. But
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  Speaker 1: there's a whole other world of great rock and roll
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  Speaker 1: from the South and I want to know from you guys,
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  Speaker 1: who is your favorite Southern rock band. Okay, don't be
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  Speaker 1: afraid to call the Almend Brothers that I doubt very
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: much that any of them are gonna hear this episode. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: now listen, this is a big category. It's not just
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: the Almen Brothers and Leonard Skinner. Tom Petty's from Florida.
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  Speaker 1: The Heartbreakers are from Florida. I mean, you can go
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: even deeper. You can go like bark Ky's. Okay, you can.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, big Star. There's all kinds of Southern
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  Speaker 1: great great great Southern rock and roll, all right, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking more sort of the era of the Almond
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  Speaker 1: Brothers and Leonard Skinner seventies eighties nine Black Crows for example,
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  Speaker 1: great Southern rock band, great great great. So get out
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  Speaker 1: of six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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  Speaker 1: I want your take on the greatest Southern rock bands
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  Speaker 1: of all time. I want to talk about it next
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  Speaker 1: week in the after party. So hit me up, me
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  Speaker 1: a voicemail, send me a text, Email me Disgrace Ladpod
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  Speaker 1: with your voicemails, texts, and vms after this all right, guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are back. I'm on the phone with this one
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  Speaker 1: across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone. I want
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  Speaker 1: to do some voicemails. Want to do some text from
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  Speaker 1: you guys on all subjects relative to disgrace Lands six
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  Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight. You
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• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the disco's, rest of the Disgraceland community in there, talking music,
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  Speaker 1: talking movies, talking whatever. Let's go to the six one
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  Speaker 1: four A.
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  Speaker 2: Discos. It's jew Balloon from the six one four Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Love Courtney Love can't help it, got a lover. She
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  Speaker 2: was just the trashiest bitch for the longest of times,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: and maybe she still is. I've kind of lost track.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of was pretty obsessed with her when I
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: bought Hole. I just bought Hole because they were called Whole,
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  Speaker 2: so had to have the album. And yeah, as far
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  Speaker 2: as chick bands back in that time, the best other
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  Speaker 2: than L seven, but talking about underground New York City
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  Speaker 2: bands unsane. I am the goddess of the unsane, and
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  Speaker 2: that is all.
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  Speaker 1: All right you, but thank you for the call. There's
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: a lot you get into here. Courtney Love. We're talking
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: about Courtney Love last week, and there is a Courtney
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Love episode coming at some point. The drumbeat is getting
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: louder and louder and louder. It's funny you mentioned L
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  Speaker 1: seven in New York City bands. When I played Warp
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  Speaker 1: ninety seven, it was with L seven and with Sick
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  Speaker 1: of It All, who I was talking about last week,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember they had a really cool camaradity both
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  Speaker 1: those bands backstage, and I just thought that that was
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  Speaker 1: really interesting because you wouldn't normally associate those two together.
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  Speaker 1: As for the unsaying, I'm very aware of the unsaying.
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  Speaker 1: Once I once stayed at a member of the unsaans
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  Speaker 1: loft in Brooklyn back in the nineties, way back in
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  Speaker 1: the day, back when going to Brooklyn wasn't really a
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  Speaker 1: thing you did. And also I saw unsaying a number
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  Speaker 1: of times. The last time I saw them downstairs at
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the Middle East, it was literally so it was the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: loudest thing. I've literally the loudest show I've ever been to,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: probably the loudest show I've ever ever been to in
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: my life. I could feel the inside of my stomach rattling,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: and I actually got nauseous and had to leave from
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the volume of the band. And I love unsaying. Great group. Yeah,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know what Goddess of the unsaying means, JUBI,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: but you know I'm interested. Let me know. Hit me
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: back six one seven nine or six six sixty three eight.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: This comes from the six one five. Hey, I have
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: a Facebook group that I'm starting out. It's called Perspectives
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: about how perspectives are revealed in music, and your Billy
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Corgan slash Smashing Pumpkins story had me hitting my steering wheel. Yes, yes, yes,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: pain can be expressed ugly and sharp or maybe with
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: an orchestra and strings. Gave you guys a nod and links. Sorry,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: still a very small group. Well that's okay, six one five,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: We don't mind. Thanks for thanks for hitting us up,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: and thanks for spreading the disgraceland word. And you're absolutely
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: right about perspective and yeah, you know this whole Billy
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Corgan Smashing Pumpkins episode It's not just about him and
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the shape Shifter, although that's what the discourse has been.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: It's also very much about perspective and about pain, and
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I thank you for bringing that up. This one from
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the sixty three to nine. Hey, Jake, I'm a fairly
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: new listener from Canada and I'm about halfway through and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you are a wonderful storyteller. Oh thank you. And you
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: have really opened my eyes on different music. And I'm
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: also a crime junkie. And you wanted to know what
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: people wanted played at their funeral. Well, mine is Bette Midler.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Wind Beneath Your Wings, rock a rolla score one for
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Bette Midler. Listen. Bette Midler one of those artists I
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: came across and researching New York Dolls back in the day,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and I didn't realize the extent of Bette Midler's sort
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: of downtown cool pre Bette Midler as we know her now.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm very interested in Bette Midler's backstory and her
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: come up, and it's something that I'm going to get
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: into at some point. I literally read the scene, you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: is when New York Dolls were playing was the Mercer
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Arts Center, and in like, you know, there's rumors that
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: like Jimmy Hendricks was around. I don't know if that
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: makes sense timeline wise, and I didn't really put much
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: credence in that, but there there was specifically Bette Midler
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: was there, which I just thought was whoa whoao Bette
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Midler really at a New York doll show. That's that's
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Four to one O rights and hey, Jake
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Beck's from the four one oh. Just listen to your
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: new Dolly Parton episode learn some great new things. Want
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: to ask, do you have any recommendations for more information
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: about murder ballads? I do. Actually, there's a great book.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: It's behind me here, hold on one second, got it.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: It's called Crime Song True Crime Stories from Southern Murder
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Ballads by Richard h. Underwood. I highly recommend it. It's scholarly,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: but it's not too scholarly, if you know what I mean.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: It's not boring. It's fascinating. And in particular, I think
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: we talk in the Dolly Parton episode in particular about
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Knoxville Girl. Yeah, we definitely do, and it really traces
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that song back to its roots over in Europe, to
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the song Oxford Girl, which became Knoxford Girl. It goes
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: even deeper than that, goes like one hundred years or
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: two hundred years further into sort of Gaelic, the Gaelic tradition,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: if I'm saying that correctly. And there's and it gets
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: into a bunch of other songs in here as well.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: It's not just Knoxville Girl. I think every song is
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: a chapter anyways. Crime song by Richard h Underwood. All right,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: check that out, six four six rights and Hey, Jake,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I hope you and the family are doing well. As
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a Knicks fan, I wanted to ask your opinion on
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the Jalen Brown trade to Philadelphia. My opinion is this
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: six four six See you later, wasn't I was a
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: fan of Jalen Brown the basketball player, was not a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: fan of Jalen Brown the basketball player behind the microphone
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and online and it just seemed like he didn't really
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: care about being a teammate or care about winning. I mean,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: he finished, they went out in horrible fashion in the playoffs,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and his first comments on the mic are about how
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: this was his favorite year. Whatever they had. They had
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: to split up him in Tatum. It was never gonna
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: work for a million different reasons. That's just one of them.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And I don't think they're going to be that much
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: better without him, but at least I don't know it'll
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: be different. I don't know. Yeah, him with Lebron though,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that's funny. I like it. Jamie from the seven one
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: six right, I said, Hey, I'm a little behind on episodes,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: but in a recent behind the scenes you were talking
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: about needing an angle for an episode on Fiona Apple.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: A lesser known fact about her is that she's an
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: avid court watcher and criminal justice reform advocate. Could be
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: an interesting fresh take for the pot. I love that.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Did not know that seven one six and I appreciate it,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. All Right, listen, I want to
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: give you a little bit more on Billy Corgan. I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: didn't know this until we get into the research. Now,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you've been saying the smashing pumpkins wrong in your head
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: for thirty years. No, the smashing pumpkins are not destroying pumpkins.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Smashing isn't a verb here. It's British slang like that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: party was smashing. It means fantastic, amazing, a total knockout.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: So the band's name isn't a violent image. The band's
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: name is a compliment. They're not smashing pumpkins. They are
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: smashing pumpkins as in Incredible Ones. And this isn't fan
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: theory either. Billy Corgan confirmed it himself years later, telling
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: this actual origin in the story, He said the word
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: smashing was meant to convey something fantastical and amazing, and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: then he paired it with pumpkins because it added that contrast,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: something dark and cool next to something goofy and playful,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and that juxtaposition perfectly captures the band's sound. All right,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: disc goes, don't go anywhere, keep yourself captured. We'll be
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: back right after this with your emails and more. All right, guys,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: we're back. Disgraceingpod at gmail dot com. This one comes
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: from Stanley Starbuck, subject shape Shifters message, Jake, thank you
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: for the caring and humane ways you treat people with
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: difficult lives in your podcast. I think you were helping
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: people think about meaningful ways of dealing with and stopping
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the cycles of abuse that we all want to escape.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I had a shape shifter experience with a coyote. We
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: have twoy rabbits where we live, so I keep a
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: live trap out for them all summer. I moved them
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to distant prairies so few of them are starving to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: death in the winter. One morning, my wife woke me
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: up early because there was a crying sound outside and
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it had to be the rabbit trap. When I stepped outside,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I immediately saw the trap tipped over with a rabbit
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: in it, and there was a deer standing next to it,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: just staring at me. And while I was looking at
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the deer just ten feet away from me, I saw
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: it transform into a coyote. Of course, it was a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: coyote wanting to take advantage of the trapped rabbit, But
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: why did it appear much larger and as a completely
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: different animal when we first started our staring contest. After
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I saw it shrinked out and change it to a coyote,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I said, you don't need to eat that, and the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: coyote trotted off into the night. I took the rabbit
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: to a new home on a restored prairie later that morning,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and that's my shape shifter experience. The strangest part that
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: stays with me is that I never felt with any fear,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and it did not seem as though the coyote was
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: afraid of me either. It was not a dream, but
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: it was surreal. Stanley, I thank you for the message,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. I don't know what to say to that.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: It's truly mind blowing. And who am I to question
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: what you saw? That's the thing, you know, Like I
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: know it sounds ridiculous, like you hear the Billy Corgan
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: story and you just immediately go, oh, he's fucking with us,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's just and maybe
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: he is. And yeah, I mentioned the whole provocateur thing earlier,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: but I do reserve a little bit of leeway in
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: my thinking here. Perhaps he thinks he actually saw that,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: just like Stanley here. I'm not gonna argue with Stanley.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue with Billy Corgan. I am going
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: to argue with the nerds on the internet who just
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: shut down any thinking and just you know, make wild claims.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Those are the fuckers. I'm gonna argue with more smashing Pumpkins,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: this one from Delbert Brown, who right saying, Hey, I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: don't know if I can agree that Pumpkins filled the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: vacuum left by Nirvana. Despite the notoriety of the band,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the Vacuum sucked lots of other bands into our ears
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: as well. I remember the first time someone asked me
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: about smashing Pumpkins and I said, yeah, we do with
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: every Halloween. That's a band. Weirdly, I listened to More
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Patent Era, Faith, No More Headpe and Pantera. Siamese Dreams
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: a great album, but the real vacuum is Billy Corgan.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: He sucks. The band has talent, but that doesn't excuse
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: his behavior. I think his contemporaries were spot on. I
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: saw them in ninety six with Garbage opening, and it
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: was about his cookie cutter and boring of a concert
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I've ever attended. I love the stern interview, though, especially
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: when Howard is more concerned with the otherworldly entities junk size.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Even he couldn't take it seriously. Why even talk about
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: something like that without putting a name on it? You
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: think retaliation will put less eyes on it. Let's be
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: weird for the sake of putting yourself back in the
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: public eye with a goofy claim because you are becoming irrelevant. Delbert,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: you got a lot to say here, man, and I
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: might not agree with you, but it is of you
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: that I know lots of you have, and that's why
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I read your email, and I love the ash behind
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: it as well. Delbert right back to me anytime. This
• 28:03
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• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm a new listener and I love your podcast episode
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: with Stuff they don't want you to know, which I've
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: been listening to for years, searching through your back catalog
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and realizing I'll never catch up. I was hoping to
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: find something on metalcore band as I lay dying. Now
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I won't spoil the story for I'm going to stop
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: you right here, Eric, Okay, because we are literally in
• 28:22
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• 28:27
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• 28:30
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• 28:32
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• 28:37
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• 30:07
  Speaker 1: we get into the recap here, I just want to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: say last, let's see the Tuesday Night that just we
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: just passed. Loka Connie, Adam Wiener, that's his band. Adam's
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: been on the show before. They had a pretty significant
• 30:21
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• 30:24
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• 30:29
  Speaker 1: oh my, did Adam and the gang bring it. They
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: were fucking great. And the thing that's so cool about
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the performance is Adam was totally Adam. He just did
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: his thing. He you know, he brought what he brings
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to the stage every night to live television. He didn't
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: do some safe version of a song for television. He
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: was out there on the piano stool on one foot,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: bent over, banging on the keys, jumps off, grabs the mic,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: goes right to the camera, gets right in the camera's face,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: starts saying just it was perfect, Loka Connie. I'm so
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: happy for my friend Adam. I'm so happy for the band.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: They deserve this. They are quite quite literally the hardest
• 31:12
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• 31:15
  Speaker 1: started this band ten or so years ago or whenever
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: it was. And I'm happy that they're receiving the recognition
• 31:23
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• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a friend of the show and my personal friend, it's
• 31:29
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• 31:31
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• 31:35
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• 31:38
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• 31:41
  Speaker 1: favorite song though, Boozophelia, and I'm not even joking about that.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Check that out Google Loka Connie Boozophelia on YouTube. You'll
• 31:49
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• 31:51
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• 31:54
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• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Back on September eighth, nineteen ninety four, the Smashing Pumpkins
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: played at the VMAs, and this is what America was
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: listening to on that day, according to the Billboard Charts,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Number one I'll Make Love to You Boys to Men
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  Speaker 1: last week one peak position one weeks on chart eight,
• 33:08
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  Speaker 1: Lisa Lobe and nine Stories number last week peak position
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  Speaker 1: weeks on art position number five. Quit talking and start mixing,
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