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The Road to Forbidden Door · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And nine Cognition.
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  Speaker 6: gonna be honest with you, Kelson, I know I got
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  Speaker 7: It is all right.
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  Speaker 6: So we are going to juice the discord live chat
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  Speaker 6: this week. We want to get that going because the
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  Speaker 6: healthier are I'm sorry, not the Discord, the Reddit live chat,
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  Speaker 6: because the healthier are Reddit presence is the better for
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  Speaker 6: the community. So if you are a regular here, either
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  Speaker 6: join us on the Reddit live chat at our slash
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  Speaker 6: aw fan hub. It'll appear at the top of the screen.
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  Speaker 6: And we are looking to really get a decent amount
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  Speaker 6: of folks in there because we have some people that
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  Speaker 6: will do drive by some older users. When the previous
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  Speaker 6: chat solution was there and the new chat feature is
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  Speaker 6: really good. You got a lot of great features on there.
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  Speaker 6: It feels the way it needs to. It feels like
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  Speaker 6: a bunch of friends sitting on the couch. So we're
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  Speaker 6: really hoping to get things going on there. So if
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  Speaker 6: you got some time on Wednesday, then you don't have
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  Speaker 6: a better place to be, please join us on the
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  Speaker 6: aw fan hub.
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  Speaker 7: Live chat on Reddit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not We're not, you know, discontinuing the discord
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  Speaker 3: live chat with no all. We just want to give
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  Speaker 3: a kickstart to the ad because if the people see
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  Speaker 3: people chatting on the aw fatob subreddit, then people will
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  Speaker 3: come to the aw patob subreddit that wouldn't otherwise go
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  Speaker 3: to Discord. Fortunately for us, we have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: Discord users that do use Reddit yep.
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  Speaker 6: And there's a lot of folks that used to join
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  Speaker 6: us on the Reddit live chat that don't know it's
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  Speaker 6: back and maybe pop in and only see a handful
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  Speaker 6: of folks. So we can get a decent amount of
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  Speaker 6: people in there, they're most more likely to stay by,
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  Speaker 6: and then we can we can grow both communities together
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  Speaker 6: because there's a lot of folks that prefer Reddit and
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  Speaker 6: you know, aren't end of the whole discord thing, and
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  Speaker 6: that's most people discords a it's a closed community, whereas Reddit,
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  Speaker 6: anybody can find it on the Internet. So we want
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  Speaker 6: to make sure it's nice and healthy and that there
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  Speaker 6: is avenues for everybody to use for live.
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  Speaker 3: Chat in the I think I think you got that.
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  Speaker 3: You said that Reddit is a close community and discord
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  Speaker 3: and anybody can find.
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  Speaker 7: It on the close community redd it as anybody. Yes, sorry, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, like tomorrow will tomorrow during Dynamite, we'll be talking
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  Speaker 3: a little bit in the live chat on aw fat
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  Speaker 3: hub subreddit. We'll be talking about the uh, the discord.
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  Speaker 3: You know what. I welcome people that love the discord
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  Speaker 3: to talk about the discord. But I would really appreciate
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  Speaker 3: it if our discord users, which is so active, so active,
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  Speaker 3: to come over and help us out on the aw
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  Speaker 3: pat ob subrac.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yep, if you can pull double duty, that'd be great.
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  Speaker 7: I'll be doing that.
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  Speaker 6: So we're going to segue in the first topic of
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  Speaker 6: the show. Yep, we'll be I'm going to segue into
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  Speaker 6: the first topic of the show. And this is something
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  Speaker 6: that quite a few of us were talking about both
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  Speaker 6: on aw fan Hub on Reddit and then on our
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  Speaker 6: discord and the various live chats, and it's the difference
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  Speaker 6: between the men and the women's own Heart And the
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  Speaker 6: men's has been quite predictable, although most of the matches
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  Speaker 6: had storyline explanations everybody versus each other and there's some
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  Speaker 6: history to all of those. But the women's side has
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  Speaker 6: been wide open and had quite a few surprises and
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  Speaker 6: has seemed a lot more interesting because it is a
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  Speaker 6: lot less predictable. And the question is is that because
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  Speaker 6: Willow isn't in it, did Willow getting hurt really break
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  Speaker 6: open that entire tournament? Because without Willow in it, we
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  Speaker 6: don't have a Mercedes, and without Mercedes, we don't get
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  Speaker 6: the match we're going to get to see this week.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, my question to folks is why do
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  Speaker 6: you think the women's the women's own has has seemed
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  Speaker 6: to be more interesting than the men's.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I really liked this question, and I think you
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  Speaker 4: kind of hit the nail on the head with the
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  Speaker 4: whole predictability. So like it's when you saw the brackets,
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  Speaker 4: it's just like, Okay, we're getting to swarp off ray final.
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  Speaker 4: The matches leading up to it are gonna be good.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, you're like ninety eight percent sure who
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  Speaker 4: was winning in each match, whereas.
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  Speaker 6: Willa was still in it, we would feel the same
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  Speaker 6: on the women's side if will It was still in it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't think so. I think even before
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  Speaker 4: she was out, it was Stilla. You know, like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not sure who's gonna win this, especially when there wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a wild card, which I figured was going to be Mercedes,
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  Speaker 4: which is who I had winning the whole thing. But
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  Speaker 4: I also had Persephone winning also, but you know, sky
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  Speaker 4: Blue had a chance of beating three, and then I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: when she wasn't able, I'm like, I still thought sky
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  Speaker 4: Blue was gonna win. So I've been a whole heck
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  Speaker 4: of a lot of this tournament, which has made it
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  Speaker 4: more interesting and more fun. Like, yeah, I'm gonna let
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  Speaker 4: someone jump into some kind of ram.
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  Speaker 2: I would argue with Willow in it, it was maybe
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  Speaker 2: even more open considering everybody was almost on the same
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  Speaker 2: playing field. With Mercedes in it, we kind of expect
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  Speaker 2: her to be in the finals. I'm not gonna call
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  Speaker 2: her the win of the owen Hart Tournament just yet,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, there is a matchup we sort of expects.
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  Speaker 2: Still nothing wrong with the predictability, but everybody being on
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  Speaker 2: the same same sort of level, I felt it could
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  Speaker 2: have gone either way. Hasn't changed much because I still
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  Speaker 2: am not comfortable calling a winner just yet. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's made it just as interesting because it
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  Speaker 2: did shake it up, but not to where not not
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  Speaker 2: for a negative a negative turn.
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  Speaker 4: I guess.
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  Speaker 3: No, I get what you're saying. Yeah, anybody else with
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  Speaker 3: any thoughts?
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  Speaker 4: I do?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, go ahead, Oh sorry, Nat. I've been saying for
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  Speaker 5: weeks and weeks and weeks that the wide card would
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  Speaker 5: be Mercedes, and I've been thrown to the wool saying
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  Speaker 5: she's not. She's not. But I've been saying in and
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  Speaker 5: I know Chris has been saying it, and I've said
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  Speaker 5: that she if she's she was in it. She's in
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  Speaker 5: it to win it and go to all in against Techla.
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  Speaker 5: So the winner is Mercedes, two years in a row,
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  Speaker 5: first time ever.
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  Speaker 3: Net Before you jump in, let me just go to
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  Speaker 3: the chat Conrad EPW show is I think people enjoy unpredictability,
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  Speaker 3: but I also fall on the same line with what
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  Speaker 3: was mentioned. I don't think predictability is bad. I am
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  Speaker 3: happy with how both tournaments have been going so far
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  Speaker 3: and then black delegation. Yeah, that's what it is said.
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  Speaker 3: I hate to see anyone get hurt, but I do
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  Speaker 3: not miss Willow, Superseda ask booking, and I understand what
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  Speaker 3: you're saying there. I probably wouldn't use those words maybe,
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  Speaker 3: but I do understand what you're saying. Net let's go
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  Speaker 3: to you.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say something about the predictability of
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  Speaker 1: the tournament as well, but I think there's a bigger
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  Speaker 1: overall picture to this, and I think that maybe Tony
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  Speaker 1: Kahan has started to listen more about a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the fans and the women's division, and overall, I would
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  Speaker 1: say that the women are being booked better and that
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  Speaker 1: has a lot to do with more eyes on the
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  Speaker 1: women's part of the Owen Tournament.
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  Speaker 4: So overall, I like.
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  Speaker 1: Willow, but I don't miss Willow. And I also don't
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  Speaker 1: want to see Mercedes win two years in a row.
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  Speaker 1: That becomes a little predictable, and I would like it
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  Speaker 1: where we are all surprised at whoever wins, rather than
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  Speaker 1: being able to see it ahead of time. So that's
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  Speaker 1: my take.
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  Speaker 3: Do you guys think the plan when Willow was put
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  Speaker 3: in this tournament. Do you think the plan all along
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  Speaker 3: was that Tony ka an aw knew the Willow was
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  Speaker 3: not going to be able to perform, and that the
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  Speaker 3: whole plan was that there was gonna be a wildcard
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  Speaker 3: because Willow would have to drop out? Or do you
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  Speaker 3: think it was a surprise and that it just happened organically.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was.
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  Speaker 3: Well, well, like a bench, it was like Harley Cameron's
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  Speaker 3: w everybody kind of completed. Everybody else's said, oh god.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Marcus the entertainer and the chat said, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: the men's tournament is predictable because there's been a plan.
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  Speaker 3: The women's tournament had tournament has been unpredictable, predictable because
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  Speaker 3: they've been booking on the fly for months. Well here's
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  Speaker 3: the thing, because we really haven't talked very much about
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  Speaker 3: the men's side before the Owen was even announced. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna call it the Owen because it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: what people are calling it now, even though I have
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  Speaker 3: always tried to say the Owen Hart Foundation Cup Tournament.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of a mouthful. So I'm just the Owen,
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  Speaker 3: and I mean no disrespect to Owen Hart or his foundation.
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  Speaker 3: Or Martha Hart. You know, I apologize if you are offended.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying it to save time. So I'm rambling
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  Speaker 3: and using up all the time I would have saved, okay.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, here's the way I look at this with
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  Speaker 3: the men's tournament, even before the men's tournament was announced
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  Speaker 3: on this podcast, a couple of months before the tournament
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  Speaker 3: even happened, you know, it was even a glint in
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  Speaker 3: Tony kahanzi, were we not saying that that Will Osprey
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  Speaker 3: was going to win the Owen Hart Tournament and go
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  Speaker 3: to all In? Doesn't that kind of make it really predictable?
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  Speaker 3: And you know, Conrad said, predictability isn't a bad thing.
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  Speaker 3: People want to see Owen you know, Owen Hart, will
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  Speaker 3: Osbury and all In. But is this two predictable men?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think.
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  Speaker 6: I think people look for things to complain about sometimes,
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  Speaker 6: and this is the time that Will becomes the guy.
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  Speaker 6: And unfortunately, in the aw Cinematic universe, in order to
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  Speaker 6: get a title shot at all In, you have to
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  Speaker 6: win the Owen So is that predictable? Yeah? I think
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  Speaker 6: the main reason why it's predictable is because they're at Wembley.
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  Speaker 7: This year.
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  Speaker 6: If they were at any other venue, say they ran
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  Speaker 6: this in Las Vegas or New York or whatever, instead
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  Speaker 6: of going back to Wembley this year, I don't think
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  Speaker 6: it would have been as predictable. But because it's in Wembley,
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  Speaker 6: I think Helson kind of to your initial point, everybody
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  Speaker 6: pretty much knew that if Will was coming back, that's
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  Speaker 6: where he was going to be the guy, and the
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  Speaker 6: way to get the title shot he got to win
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  Speaker 6: the Owen. So the early rounds all had storyline reasons.
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  Speaker 6: For the semi finals, you know, those first round matches,
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  Speaker 6: they were all coming off feuds, and even the semi
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  Speaker 6: final matches all built in the feuds. And now these
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  Speaker 6: finals you've got the rematch. So I think they did
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  Speaker 6: the best they could. But given the fact that it
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  Speaker 6: was going to be at Wembley.
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  Speaker 7: There really wasn't a way around this on the.
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  Speaker 6: Men's side, which is why I think the women's side
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  Speaker 6: has been such a breath of fresh air because they
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  Speaker 6: could just go hand.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris, I think you were gonna say something, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's like you know, when you go see a
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  Speaker 4: superhero movie, Like most precent Superman movies, we all knew
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  Speaker 4: Superman was gonna thwart Lex Luthor and save the world
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  Speaker 4: at the spoiler alert, Come on, it's been out for
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  Speaker 4: a while, but we all knew he was gonna win.
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  Speaker 4: But there were obstacles in his way. He had trials, tribulations,
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  Speaker 4: he failed a little, you know, Like, that's what even
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  Speaker 4: though you know the hero is gonna win, it's about
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a reason it's called the hero's journey.
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  Speaker 4: It's the most classic or one of the most classic
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  Speaker 4: forms of literature, movie, you know, anything like that. The
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  Speaker 4: journey is what you want. The journey is what makes
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  Speaker 4: you care and why when he wins and triumphs, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's my guy. What turned me off?
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, what turned me off about the owen
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  Speaker 2: Hart Tournament this year? I actually has nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with Will Osprey and predictability. I agree, it's not a
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  Speaker 2: bad thing to be predictable, and you know, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like the majority is we're all rooting for Will. But
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  Speaker 2: what kind of got me was that the tournament was
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  Speaker 2: used as a vessel to give Jack Perry and Mark
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  Speaker 2: Davis another match, and it was used on the right
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  Speaker 2: on the right side bracket. It was used to throw
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  Speaker 2: Bendido and Brody King back at Swerve. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that was necess it in my opinion. It takes lots
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  Speaker 2: away from other big contenders for the tournament that could
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  Speaker 2: have given us the the I guess openness that the
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  Speaker 2: women have. You know, I'm sorry, but Jack Perry doesn't
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  Speaker 2: need to be in this type of tournament just yet,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, and I'll say the same for Claudio
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  Speaker 2: and Brodie King Mark Davis. I mean, that match was amazing,
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  Speaker 2: so it's hard to kind of complain about that one.
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  Speaker 2: But as far as who he is in the standings
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  Speaker 2: within AW, I would argue Mark Davis doesn't need to
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  Speaker 2: be in this tournament either.
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  Speaker 3: Very good, good points. Anybody else with thoughts, because I
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  Speaker 3: have another question for you. If you don't, Valerie and Nett,
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  Speaker 3: I think you're the only two that haven't chimed in.
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  Speaker 5: Should the question calson?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So here's the question. It's really more of an
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  Speaker 3: observation again reiterating what I said earlier, when before the
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  Speaker 3: owen Hart Tournament even started on this podcast, everybody was
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  Speaker 3: saying I don't think there was anybody that didn't say
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  Speaker 3: that it was Will Osprey's You know what happened last year,
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  Speaker 3: everybody was saying it was Hangman and him pages and
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  Speaker 3: the year before that, I believe it was Ricky Starks,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody was saying that it was Ricky Starks. We
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  Speaker 3: knew from the beginning. And this is a problem that
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  Speaker 3: AW has had historically with the booking of the men's division.
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  Speaker 3: We all knew that Eddie Kingston was going to win
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  Speaker 3: the first seat too. Nobody was saying anything different. Do
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  Speaker 3: you see this as a problem where you know, Conrad
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  Speaker 3: ifw Show and the chat said he doesn't mind the predictability,
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  Speaker 3: but when you're diconsistent in your predictability, doesn't kind of
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  Speaker 3: take away from Yeah, the match are good, but the
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  Speaker 3: story is just too predictable.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 5: That's a good point.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm gonna I want to take a step back
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  Speaker 6: from a storytelling standpoint. So I have a lot of friends,
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  Speaker 6: well not a lot of friends. I have several friends
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  Speaker 6: in the film industry. I have a couple of friends
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  Speaker 6: who write. I write screenplays for fun. They're good, They're
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  Speaker 6: not good enough to do professionally, right, I think the
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  Speaker 6: challenge is what are you using what is this tournament for?
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  Speaker 6: What are any of these tournaments for. What is the
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: story of those tournaments and the story of the tournament
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: and the Owen. And I'm actually gonna set Ricky starks
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: aside because I thought that Owen was garbage. No offense,
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: rick I don't know a problem with Ricky winning, but
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: I thought that Owen was garbage. The story of the
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: Owen now is this is the redemption they've set up,
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: is like, this is the story for the good guy
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: to use Chris's metaphor earlier with the Superman stuff for
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: their hero's journey to triumph over adversity, to get the title, shot,
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: to become champion and bring the belt home from the
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: bad guy. I thought last year's storytelling for Hangman Adam
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: Page was spectacular. They had done months building up John
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: Moxley as the ultimate evil, and I think that's one
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: of the key pieces missing from this year's Owen. On
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: the men's side, there is no ultimate evil to triumph over.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: They've moved the title around and that's been fun. The
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: problem is because of that, there is no ultimate evil
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: for this the next winner to triumph over. And I
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: think that was actually one of the problems with Mercedes
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: winning the Owen last year is she was going to
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: take on it was Tony right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: Tony was the champion at the time, so.
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: Like the heel one, and we were reactively against her
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: from winning against Tony right.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: So I think that's kind of a problem.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: And from a narrative standpoint that the just is like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: what is the story here, what is the three acts
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: for doing? What is the payoff? What is that final act?
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: What are you trying to reward the fans with? And
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: Tony's kind of fallen into routines where that's that's the
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: narrative that this tournament is for. If you remove that
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: and it's a scattershot, you really prevent yourself from building
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: into all in with that narrative and that story of
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: who are you going to crown as the guy and
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: the lady to be your champs. I think if this
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: occurred at a different part of the year, Kelson, they
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: should just open it up wide.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: But because of this.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: Leading into a championship match of the Owen, it has
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: to tie into their overarching storytelling that will peak it
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: all in and that can be a benefit, but it
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: can also be a negative. Again, if you don't have
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: that big ultimate evil that the good guy's triumphing on.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I do want to go to the chat.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Marcus Entertainer said, this is not a problem for me
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: talking about the you know, the whole owen Hart thing.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I like when things make sense, and you know, whether
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: it's predictable or not, it does make sense obviously, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: that he did correct me. Uh, Brian Danielson won the
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Owen before Hangman, not Ricky Starks. Look, Mariah May won
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the Owen? Did she not to go on to All
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: In to face Tony Storm? That was that was a
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: little predictable. But going back to the women's side, before
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: the Owen started, who would we pick to win the
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: owen Hart Tournament and go to All In and represent,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: you know, the owen Hart Tournament winner going against the
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: world champion. If I'm not mistaken, A lot of people
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: were saying, now it's winsor and that did not work
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: out well for hers. She was crushed in the first round.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I picked.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Me too, I think before Mercedes was.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Even before she was the wild say, I had her
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: as my as my pick.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Now we're gonna be talking real soon about this Hazuki
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: in Mercedes match tomorrow night. But one of the things
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that I wanted to point out with the owen Hart
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Tournament this year, and well, just really talking about Maya World.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: She came in as a basically a wild card and one,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: so there you go. Of course that was probably you know,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: with the unfortunate passing of her brother May Rest in peace.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: You know, that was probably something that was not planned.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: But I'm glad they did that. That was special. But
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: the other thing is, well, we did the prediction poll
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: on the aw AM subreddit for Azuki versus per Sepony,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Kazuki only got thirteen percent of the votes. Everybody, well,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: eighty seven percent of the people picked Persephone, and there
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: was a swerve thrown in there. I just have to
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: look at the men's you know, owen Hart and the
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Women's Own Heart, and there's just so much more compelling
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: stories in the Women's Own Heart. You know, I guess
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Marcus Entertainer says that he picked Athena, But I do
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: want to go over. Go ahead and let's talk about
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: tomorrow night's match between Hazuki and Mercedes Monet. Now, I
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: know a couple of you have already said, Valerie being
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: one of them that you picked Mercedes Bonet for the start,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: and I just said Azuki had only thirteen percent of
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: the votes in her first match in the tournament against Persephone.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: What are you guys thinking about this match? Who's winning?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: So I'm sick?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Sorry, uh, I'm picking. I'm picking Hazuki for this one.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: The last time they met, which is an amazing match,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: by by the way, Mercedes Monette took it, and I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: think that leaves it open for Hazuki to win this time.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Something that makes me believe in this more is I
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: don't believe we have a reason to root for Mercedes Monette.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think we saw any bit of crash out
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: from her. She lost the TVs title and went off TV,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: losing I believe two or three more championships while she
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: was off TV. Technically she still has the owen Hart
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Foundation belt, but you know it is by that regard.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Is her belt collector run done? Obviously she doesn't have
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the mall, but she still has one out of the
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen that she had. She's still not much
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: of a changed woman from before her hiatus. I just
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: don't see why. And I'm a huge mercaderes mark. I
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: love Mercedes Monnet, but I just don't feel like we
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: have a reason to root for her against a woman's
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: champion at all, in which I would assume would still
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: be techla. I think that that has me picking Hazuki
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: on this tune.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: She let me ask you this because there's something that
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: you said that kind of resonated with me. Do you
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: think that Mercedes Monette needs to lose the owen Hart
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Tournament belt in the ring so that she now has
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: a complete reset? In other words, if she were to
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: win the owen Hart Tournament, does that kind of make
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: her fall from grace a little bit less impactful? I
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: guess is the best way I could think to say it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, even if you didn't put her in her
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: previous role as as a belt collector, I think I
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: still would have liked to see some growth and some
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: losses to kind of shake her feathers up and give
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: her a bit of a redemption arc. You know, when
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Willow was doing the whole comeback killer thing, I thought
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: that was going to trigger Mercedes sort of redemption. Maybe
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: she you know, gets sad and you know, kind of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: get to give her an avenue for an organic babyface turn,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: which I believe at some point is coming. But in
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: the current role, the only thing she said in her
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: match against Alex Windsor was that she's in therapy now,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: which I was like, okay, you know, maybe she is.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: She is turning the corner, and then she went on
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: to attack Azuki and Persephone. So you know, I think
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: we still have the same Mercedes.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there was one word you used there, Tunci, redemption.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Let's not forget that this story doesn't end it all in.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: We still have redemption sandwich between Forbidden Door and all In.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: So and a lot of people when I see people
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: talking about aw Forbidden Door, do Japan cmll stardom Forbidden Door,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: I'll just say forbidden Door, they seem to forget. They
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: kind of forget that there's another pay per view between
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Forbidden Door and all In. They say, what's gonna happen
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: at Forbidden Door leads to all In? We still have redemption,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Mercedes monet at redemption that could be a big story
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: if they have an angle for it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Just saying sure that, yeah, there is two months, two
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and a half months, two months, two months and a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: week till all In, so a lot can happen. But
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I mean that's That's kind of how I see the
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Mercedes path and this match.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: I'm really interested to hear other people's thoughts on this match,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Hazuki versus Mercedes, Monett, what's the story? What would you
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: like to see?
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I'm sticking with Mercedes wedding. I still think she will win,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: and but this is one of those where I would
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: be I'm not going to be just Holly Craft shocked
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: if a Zuki pulls off the victory. And like Tuci said,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: their previous match was freaking amazing, like genuine match of
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: the Year contender. I hope, I hope they're given a
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: good twenty minutes and just you know, let them go
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: all out because those two are fantastics, I have great chemistry.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: So this is one of those I'm just really looking
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: forward to the match. And the result is the result.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, anybody else want any thoughts on this match?
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: He's winning Mercedes, of course, I haven't seen a match
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: between between them, so I'm excited to see it and
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: finally to have like a better opinion of a Zuki
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: versus Mercedes than I had with Persephone. So I'm looking
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: forward to it. But Mercedes is winning it, not.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Do you have any thoughts on this.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I think Hazuki is gonna win, and I would like
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: to see a little bit of a redemption with Mercedes.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I think that if Hazuki does win, this is the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: perfect opportunity for Mercedes to really lose it, and I'd
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: like her to come back, But with her coming back
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: behaving and being nice, I would like her to actually
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: be working against everyone and you know, do something horrendous
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: at some point in the future to somebody. I actually
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: don't care who it is. I like Mercedes more when
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: she's a heel. I think she plays into that very
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: very well. You still like her when she's a heel,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and I think that she can do something where she
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: really loses her mind and acts nice but is not
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: really being nice. And when that plays out, a lot
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: of people are going to be shocked because she acted
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: so friendly and helpful, but she's really not. So I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: think Hazuki's going to win this one and there's going
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: to be some really big fallout from it. So that's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: what I would like to see there.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: You've been early silent.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I talk a lot, but Tucci mentioning that the
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: therapy thing, I've just been thinking here if Mercedes loses
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: and we get the total crash out that I was
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: hoping to see at the end of her belt Collector run.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: I want to see her in therapy, and I want
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: her therapists to be Harley Cameron. I want us to
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: find out that, in addition to speaking Chinese, being a ventriloquist,
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: playing guitar, singing, acting, being a model and professional wrestler,
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: she's also a licensed therapist. And I want to see
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: the two of them together, and I want to see
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: them playing off the good evil much like Christian and
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: Cope do. And the fact that they're selling the Mercedes
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: Monet puppets six months too late, but they're doing that
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: at at shows makes me wonder if that that's something
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: we might get to see.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Very interesting.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: There was a time which actually this is exactly what
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I was thinking as well, not so much the therapy thing,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: but a partnership between Harley and Mercedes.
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: Yep, they place so well off each other.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: There was a time together.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: There was a time where Harley kept asking women in
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the in the locker room to be her trainer, and
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: she kept bouncing around and no one ever wanted to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: do it. I thought that that's where that was leading,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and that would have given her a perfect, you know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: perfect and organic babyface, uh kind of turn. Maybe not
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: even babyface, but you know, at least something to to
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: get her back on in people's good graces.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: It'll Berry. I like your idea. However, I don't want
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: to see Harley as the therapist. I want to see
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: puppet Monet as a as a therapist because.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: Well, I think that that's part of the therapy is
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: she's going to have to speak as puppet Monet and
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: she'll talk to herself and have to bait, you know. Anyway,
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: I got all sorts of ideas. That's why I don't
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: get paid to do this.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I love the.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: Obviously they're not going to do anything I suggested because
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: it's ridiculous, But I think it would.
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: Be like.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Steel Berry's therapy idea.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, make make the royalty checks, were you know, using
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: the idea be able to and I don't give Barry.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I don't give Burry. I don't know.
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: Ever.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, one of the things that people have
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: brought up and correctly so, I mean you can't avoid
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: it is that on Saturday, well it's actually Saturday afternoon
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: in Japan, But it's like two o'clock in the morning
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Saturday morning in the United States Eastern time. Azuki is
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: going to be participating at Stardom's The Conversion twenty twenty
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: six pay per view, and some people will have a
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: thought that because she's participating in that pay per view,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: that she will not be winning this match. But you
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: know who else is also on that pay per view,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Starlight Kid. So I have to say this right out
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: the bat. Next week. Next week is to Go Home
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Show for Go Home Dynamite for Forbidden Door. I think
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: you've got to bring Starlight Kid to have a match
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: and show we're off and let her do her thing.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: But the question here is basically, how many of you
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: are familiar with Starlight Kid and do you think that
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Starlight Kid actually has any chance of winning against Tecla
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: at Forbidden Door? And what's the story here? There's a
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: ongoing story.
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: Of Starlight Yeah.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: As far as as far as Joshi's go I think
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: she kind of encapsulates the speed, the strength, at the
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: brutality that a Joshi can exhibit awesome in the ring.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: And as far as the story, I did a little
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: bit of a deep Dive. Tecla actually took a hiatus
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: from Stardom in early twenty twenty four, right after DDM disbanded,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: she came back to join Oto Tie. Starlight Kid at
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the time was a part of Oto Tie all for
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: about thirty minutes before they pretty much jumped Starlight Kid
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: and kicked her out of the faction. Right, so exactly,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: their early matches are very fun and very fast. So
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: as far as what might go on inside the ring
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: at Forbidden Door, that's very exciting to me.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: One of the things I wanted to point out is
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: aw I forget who said it, but they did say
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: that Starlight Kid has defeated Tecla once. It's actually twice.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: It's actually twice. I believe they said that on Dynamite.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: They were incorrect. I only got to see one of
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: those matches. It went about seven minutes, I would say,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: not a really good match in my opinion, basically was
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: in I believe the match I saw was from twenty
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: twenty two. This is before either of them were with
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Oaito Tie, and again, like Tucci said, Starling Kidd was
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: kicked out thirty minutes later. Teckler was brought in Oato
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Tie A couple months after that disbanded. Well they didn't
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: really disband, but they they morphed. They became Hate and
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: of course Hate is one of the biggest factions in
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: women's wrestling in the world. One other thing I want
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: to say about Oaito Tie. Thunder Rosa was Aado Tie
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: for two years, and so is Jamie Hayter. Keep that
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: in the back of your mind when it comes to
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: maybe something going on there. Ruby Soho was also Oaito Tie,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: but she was only in there for I want to say,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: two months. A lot of turnover at Olaito Tie.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they actually kicked Starlight Kid out for not being
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: as brutal as all the others.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: And by the way, that same day he remember you
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: already said it, like Starlight Kid got kicked out of
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Awaito Tie. Tekla was brought in and then Starlight King
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: immediately went onto Neogenesis where she is today and she
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: is the leader of Neogenesis. So there is a lot
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: of story here between Starlight Kidd and Tecla.
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: They need a video package.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Well, I tell you one of the things about that
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I like about Starlight Kid. She tends to get brutalized
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: a lot loses. Well that's kind of a shtick in stardom.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Stardom is not predictable. Stardom is not predictable. You have,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: you know, clear winners on paper that they end up losing.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, Sayaka Carrara just won the uh I believe
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: it was in April, wasn't it. She won the Stardom
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: World Championship over Sayakamatani and Sayaka Karara is a rookie. Well,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: based on Stardom standards, the rookie is anybody under twenty
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: years old or somebody with less than three years experience,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: which Carrara does fall into that. But anyway, but the
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: thing with Starlight Kid is that with her mask, that
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: mask is a target. Techla actually and wanted the match
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: that I did see, did try to rip Starlight Kid's
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: mask off. I fully expect to see that at Forbidden
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Door or probably if Techlan, if Starli Kids shows up
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: say it Dynamite next week. I kind of think that
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: there's a really good chance that we'll see Tecla or
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: the Triangle Madness attack and try to take Starlight Kid's mask.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: She has been on masks multiple times, but you don't
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: see your face. But one of the things about Starlight
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Kid also, and I think Tucci'll you'll back me up
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: on this, is that she's one of the few stardom
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: wrestlers that well. She bleeds quite a bit. She'll do
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: the hardcore stuff, and I don't think a lot of
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: it is blading. I think it's because of the mask.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: She ends up getting her face kicked in a lot.
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: You know why she wears the mask.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Because she's just too cute for anything else.
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: That's actually it's actually Bandido.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: It's Bandido. Mm well, actually she's working. She's working.
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: She's only four lipstick on. That's it. The tan has
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: it's all. It's all.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: It's pro tan they put on before the show. He's
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: not actually very pasty.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: She's only four to eleven. So this is one of
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: a few matches where Techle's going to have a height advantage.
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: That's how tall Bandido is. He's a logo. Yeah, yeah,
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: it's a joke. It's not actually that short.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: He is a solid five fives a loga. I think
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: it's actually like about five.
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: I think he is about five seven. Back on toast,
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: Sorry about that bad joke.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Cal Yeah, yeah, we will have a discussion out for
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: the ship.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: That's a demerit, demerit.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I'll slay with the Starlight Kid. I've only seen a
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: handful of matches, but she's one of those. I think
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: she'll get instantly over to just where she's got. I mean,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I hate to say it, she's got she's got that
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: something you can't quite you know what the French call
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: is certain, I don't know.
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: What Sena said is what you're looking for?
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, help us out of her gallery.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: It actually does mean I don't know what.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: It really doesn't take long to fall in love with
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: her style in the ring. Something also interesting on this, Uh,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: it's not so much. I wouldn't put this as a
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: feud or the match itself, I guess is against Starlight Kid,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: of course, but the real feud here is Tecla and Tarokata,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the president of Stardom.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is really Starlight Kid defending stardom almost
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: more than challenging for the AEW title. Like obviously you
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: know she's challenging, but like that's not goal one. I
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: think for her it's more the disrespect Techlas, so like
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: she can't let that slide.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: You know what I would love to see since the
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Stardom is having their Conversion pay per view on Saturday.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I would love to see sky Blue and Julia Hart
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: show up there and tear it up and then get
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: added to the five Star Grand Prix because Stardom has
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: four wrestlers that would normally be in the five Star
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: gram Pee pre that are on excursion in the well
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: the United States and Canada and Mexico and in North America,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: and they are not going to participate in the five
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Star Grand Prix. So this would be a really great
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: time for aw to send a couple of their wrestlers.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: And I really do believe sky Blue and Julia Harder
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: to two that make most sense because it does feed
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: into that whole Tecla and taro Ocotta feud.
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: That's why they lost. To free him up and do
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: a little talent exchange here on the DL.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I think you're gonna see a lot of talent exchanges,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: you know, Stardom has We're going to talk about this
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: in the next segment. Stardam has a strong relationship with
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: mlw CMLL, but there's so many visa issues these days.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, Gape Kidd. We talked about Gay Kidd earlier
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: in the show. Correct me if I'm wrong. Chris, but
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Gape Kidd gave the impression that he may not be
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: able to make it to Forbidden Door because he's having
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: visa issues.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of those. It's a really great area
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: for him. He may make it, but he may be delayed,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: you know, an extra month just as easily like he's in.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: It's a weird limbo area for a lot of people
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: where you know, maybe it'll get pushed through or maybe
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: they'll just be stuck waiting. Yeah, vs shoes are And
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: I think a large part of that is you have
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: so much going on in the world right now. You know,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: you've got the World Cup, You've got all that Kid's crazy.
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: It has nothing to do with it, Chris, We all know.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But back on to Starlight Kid. Does anybody see
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Starlight Kid winning against Tecla? I mean, is it is it?
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Is it a good story? You know, that's a secondary
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: question for Starlight Kid to win.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: I have never seen Starlight Kid.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Well, you're missing a lot, Valerie. I would definitely suggest going.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you one thing that I hope that
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: they do is give her her entrance. Starlight Kidd has
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: one of the best entrances you know when I look
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: at entrances, I look at Starlight Kid. Sorry a new
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: of course, Saya Kamatani, and that's a play. Starlight Kid
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: has a really fun entrance. And to think about Starlight
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Kad being small and very youthful looking even under the mask,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: and she's she's just over with the kids. I mean,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: kids love her.
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: The one that comes out with the minds.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, she comes out wearing a two masks.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: She comes out with two masks on. She takes off
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: one mask and then of course she's got another mask
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: underneath it. She gets in the ring, but she just
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: has this really cool entrance.
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: It's a really fun vibe.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's just it's just that. I mean,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: if you see this on the screen, you know that
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: mask is are obviously the mask he wrestles in. The
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: other one is a little bit bulkier with I would
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I would more describe it like a Juician thunder, likeer
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: mask mix mixed with ultra man.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: She should she should have that mask, take that off
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: and have a sting mask and then take a sting
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: mask to this to her.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: There you go, I comes out of their heads.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Like seventeen mask. Yeah, you know, he.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Says, like seventeen sizes too bigger heads. She spends like
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: the first half hour just rip a mask.
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: Like everyone's like, all right, come on, let's get it
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: over with, lady. Let's go. We gotta wrestler.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: The Mexican wrestler that Mill Mascaris used to used to
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: come out wearing several masks.
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: Mass scaris, so you should have masks.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you were like seven of them at least to
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: the bring. Anyway back to Starlight Kid. Anybody seeing Starlight
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Kid winning this match? No, I'd love him.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: When Matt comes in and says, yes, what do you
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: think do we lose that?
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I think that.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was having computer issues. I'm sorry.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: No, I don't see her winning, but I see it
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: being a very very good match.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: So I'm looking forward to seeing it.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: But I don't think so if Starlight Kid loses this match,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: which I do believe that she will, but I think
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: it will be a great match. I think this match
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: is one of those matches is going to set up
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: something for redemption. I really do. I think that this
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: is something that's going to set up something for redemption
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: and the five Star GP. This is a match that's
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: got a lot of story to it, and I dare
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: to say, of all the matches that have been made
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: for Forbiden Door so far, this one has got the
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: most uh chattered about it. I really do.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I agree, Sorry wise, this is my most anticipated I'm
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: a big startup fan, so I guess that also plays
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: into it. But look very much looking forward to this one.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: All right. To be honest with you, Of all the
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: matches that forbidden Door, this one here is really the
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: one that I care about the most and the others
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: like because the will Osprey and we're going to talk
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: about will Osprey and swear Strickland shortly. Uh, It's just
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a great match. But I just don't
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: think will Osprey is gonna lose. And when when When
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: something is that predictable, it takes away from it for
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: But I want to move on because on Thursday night
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: we have Global Wars Cincinnati. The women that you see
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: here are the international participants in Global Wars Cincinnati. You
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: have Roha and you have Shuri. You have Olympia from CMLL,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Micah from stardom, and Hanneko from start to stardom. There
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: are no men international men at CMLL is pretty much
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: other than Olympia. CMLL is pretty much absent. Dow Japan
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: was never part of this, so it's basically a women's thing,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of it's got several matches, but uh,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: there are real visa issues. I mean, look at a
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: w H. I think even Kyle Fletcher even posted today
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: said something like, does anybody have Accea Sero's phone number?
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Vis Mortos is having visa issues. When is the last
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: time you saw Commander or or Mascaraderata? You know, these
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: guys that have been part of the aw lore stories
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: and whatnot missed the co I mean, they're just not
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: around Forbidden Door. I mean Tom a Hero is going
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: to be Is he the only Japanese you know, participant
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: from you know, New Japan participanting Forbidden Door? Because he's
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: the he's in the States? I mean, are are you
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: guys worried about this?
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: I mean I can't hold Cony Khan accountable here because
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: this is a state department thing, and I mean in
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: the United States, we've seen that's where it was going.
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: It's by design and unfortunately we're going to get, you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: screwed out of some really fun stuff.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: Likely because of it.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of nervous about Starlight Kidd and Azuki.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Should Kuzuki win and Starlight Kidd is scheduled for Forbidden Door,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping that this is going to happen. You know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: I really want to see Gabe Kid. You know, I
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, it is what it is. They
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: are going to be deciding. I'm not real sure about
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: this one here they're going to be deciding, I get.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I would assume early in the show they're gonna be
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: picking the twelve men. I guess there's five on each
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: side that are going to need to be firmed up
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: for the.
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: Is that the first segment.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Did they announce They didn't announce it, but I would
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: assume it would be earlier in the show because it's
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: probably going to be the main event, because you're going
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: to have a six on six match at Dynamite tomorrow
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: night between the two teams that are selected, and then
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: ten days from now, you're from then you're gonna have
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: the steel Cage match with the same two teams. I am,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I don't care at all about this whole story,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: and I mean, I don't know about you, but I
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: really like Mark Briscoe, but let's face it, he's a
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: transitional challenger. I mean I don't give him any shot
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: of winning. And speaking to predictability, Mark Brisco's team has
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: got to win a forbidden doors, so he gets that shot.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: So what are we doing here?
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: He's right. I have a theory about the match tomorrow night.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: I think it will lead to at least one, most
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: likely two people on Team brisco getting taken out, and
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: then he and Briscoe and Orange Cassidy have to call
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: their old friends from Pyofs and we get hiok go
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: to and the greatest wrestler, slash bar owner, slash Tourism ambassador,
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: slash DVD producer The Man John Moxley fears the most.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Stay it with me yoo.
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: Who oh No. I don't know who that.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Is, but it'll probably be Yi.
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: The dude comes in gonna shove. No, You're never gonna
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: get rid of.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Us. There's a guy called World Famous Man on Reddit
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: who has made and probably been banned. Literally I think
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: he's up to his World Fast Band version thirteen. I
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: think that's this is literally the truth and all he
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: does one hundred percent of the time he's come on
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: our discord, he posts all this just he's like a
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Yoshi Tatsoo super fan. He's he can't be legit. You know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: I think he's just pulling. But he's the dumbest person
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: I've ever met. He's he just uses, he creates. He's
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: created countless subreddits where he's trashed me personally and trashed
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: several subreddits. It's pretty bad.
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: What's your fantasy team here for Mark Briscoe?
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: For Mark Briscoe, fantasty? Yeah, let's see. I think Orange, Cassidy,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Roger Strong She of course that's three. Who else does
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Mark brisco have?
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: Kyle?
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: I love Kyle?
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: Maybe because remember MGF has Kevin Knight.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Well that's right, but I never told you all this.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I think that that Kevin Knight is secretly still friends
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: with Speedball and that they're they're gonna do some elaborate
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: thing later to somebody or the entire don callis family.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Because I was watching Collision on Saturday, and at some
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: point Kevin Knight, who was on commentary, slipped up and said,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: come on Speedball, and he caught himself really quick and
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: changed it, and I, you know, I had to replay
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: it later and I said he was actually cheering for
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: for Mike Bailey, and so it gave me the theory,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I love Wild Wrestling series, that they actually
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: aren't they aren't broken up, and that Kyle is going
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: to work from within to destroy the don Kallis family.
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: So Darby Allen is just a sacrifice to the broader
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: scheming that I think so.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: I think so.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Damage, Yeah, I think so.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Just waiting to see Kevin Knight's new persona, his new
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: gimmick is the male.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, see, and you ever notice how slowly he walks.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's all.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: It's all a sad he was flying high. Just wait
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: and see.
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: Then Darby, oh man, it was just a pawn in
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: your bigger plans.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's gonna be like you know.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all thats Darby just comes out racist and mic
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: and Darby in Game of Life.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I think.
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: Bro I made sure you were on a protected stretcher,
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this is right up there with me thinking Harley
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: Cameron should be Mercedes therapist.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well you know, look, look.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: I Lovelson makes that sound.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: My point is here, though, this is this whole conversation
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: has been entertainment, entertaining, but it's kind of telling. We've
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: got Mark Bristow's graphic up on the on the screen.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: The whole section is about Mark Briscoe. Barry is trying
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: to eat his glasses.
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm doing the clicking thing again.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I know that. Yeah, sorry, I was like, what is
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: that noise?
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: That's why I have the video so you can catch
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: me when I'm doing stuff.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: But the whole thing is we're talking about Mark Briscoe here,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: but we're not talking about Mark brisco That's that's the
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: point here.
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: You know, they got the match first. Like I think
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: you hit the nail on Ed Kelson. This is a
• 57:22
  Speaker 6: temporary program to get to wherever they're going. I don't
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: think it's worth people really wasting a lot of time
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: and effort. As long as it's fun, that's what's going
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: to matter until they get to whatever. And I think
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: this stuff you said before about Forbidden Door a lot
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: of the times it's kind of a throwaway pay per
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: view outside the normal continuity. They changed it last year,
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: and I think it's good they got a couple of matches,
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: but you know, this is one of the throw in
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: some new Japan guys, or see them whoever you can
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: get juice it.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Up or the sickest of the Yeah, Barlow.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Take it out. Otherwise you're just gonna have the same
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: blood and cuts team go back in the cage.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. I hate to interrupt you, guys,
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: but we are running out of time and there's one
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: second we have to talk about. Uh. But I do
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: want to say one thing first is that if after
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Dynamite tomorrow night, after you've chatted your hearts content to
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: your heart's content on the aw pan hub subreddit chat box,
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: which will be up a little bit later on tonight,
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: so it'll be up all day tomorrow, you can talk
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: about Dynamite before the show, during the show, and after
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: the show, but right after the show, shortly after the show.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Conrad Cushman and Derek Shelton will be doing their aw
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Dynamite review over on at EPW show YouTube channel, Very
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: interactive show. It's a lot of fun. I highly highly
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: recommend you go there and listen to that if you've
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: never listened to it, and you will have a good time.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: I know, Chris and Valerie you've been there and you
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: can attest.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: I will be there tomorrow night.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I have a feeling tomorrow Night's Dynamite's going to
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: be a very, very fun show. I am a little
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: disappointed that Will Osprey and swear Strickland are doing a
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: face to face tomorrow night. But where is the ultimate
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: in pro wrestling entertainment? Where is the contract signing? I mean,
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: this is a missed opportunity. I mean, the match is
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: going to be great. We know the match is going
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: to be great. To face to face, something's gonna happen,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: but it's still nothing without a contract signing. Are we
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: going to get the contract signing on Collision or Dynamite
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: next week?
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: As long as someone goes through a table, yeah.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Or it gets you know, syringe in her mouth or
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: a stable.
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: I think in continuity, the contract was obviously already established
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: when they entered the tournament, so there's nothing to sign yeah.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: But still still, I mean he got a side a contract. Man,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: talk about a.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 7: Paper title match. That's title match stuff, man, Like, that's
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  Speaker 7: what when is ago on this? There's nothing?
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  Speaker 3: But my point is, Barry, is when I swear Strickland
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: ever had a pay per view match without a contract signing,
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  Speaker 3: the street has to live on.
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  Speaker 7: Is that a stream?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean think of go back. Just think about
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: how many contract signings swear Strickland has been in. There's
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: all he's he's like the king of contract signings. He
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: loves to write. I don't know, but what do you
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: guys think? Uh? Base to base between Will Ospray and
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: swear Strickland.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, I said, someone goes through a table. I'm happy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Will comes out and like the Daniel Brian braids, like
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 6: I hope they want him to my god?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: No, no, what come on? Maybe he matches like he's
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 7: got like extensions in there.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: So he's got braids. That's like, oh yeah, I got
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: braids too. You ain't so cool, dude? Were your where
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: your glasses laced with something?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: Well? Come on, I'm trying to for every hardy Cameron
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: as Mercedes therapist, there is a well off Brey wearing
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: Dray braid.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: Yes, Sarah Alex Winzer comes out, she said, what are
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: you doing? Get stupid braids out of your head.
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  Speaker 3: That's okay, I'll tell you what.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: For Land and Barry.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: How tired are you right now?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 7: I'm pretty tired man showing and I've been showing.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: I got one sixteen ounce peer and at my age,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: that's enough to knock me up for a few days.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, for a few days. Talking here's I do
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: not Can you imagine me drinking? How I would be?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: I do not drink. However, whenever I attend a burial,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: a family funeral, you know how you go to like
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: a restaurant afterwards to have a get together whatever. In
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: my area, all the restaurants are bars, or they have
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: a bar attached. I don't know why I do this,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: but every time I go for a lunch or a dinner,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: I always order a bloody Mary from the bar, not
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: a Virgin. I get the right, right bloody Mary. I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: don't know why, because I don't particularly drink, but I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: always get a bloody Mary. And I spend what bloody Mary?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: And I am super sauced. I mean, I, oh my god,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: I am wrecked at a bet at a funeral, and
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: a family family funeral whatever.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: Little did he know It's not from the alcohol. It's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: actually an allergic reaction to the tomato sauce.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: M I don't think so, because I drink a lot
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: of v A buddy, we know so mm hmm.
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  Speaker 6: But is it bloody Mary? Vaut But do you like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: him spicy Kelson?
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: I like mine.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: I like min spicy.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: I like mine spicy, good bloody Mary at a brunch
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: for the big piece of bacon in there or something,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: and I'm not I don't a lot of bacon, but
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: in a bloody Mary, it's good stuff.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: And anyway, that's our thoughts on the Will. We nowhere,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: we were talking.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: We were talking about it.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were talking. Yeah, go ahead, Well.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: Well it was so funny that I've lost my idea.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: Oh no, no, okay, I got it now.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: First of all, I want to I want to give
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  Speaker 5: my big, big congratulations to Will and Alex. I'm getting
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: married this weekends to them. Did you did you guys?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: See swarves sweet stweet about about it.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah I did.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: It was right to the point. Congratulations.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: See you at work, you think all congratulations? See it
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: work really really well done.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: But I'm very very excited to see that face to face,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: and I'm sure it will be brought up on the past,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: the past year fighting to get the e vps off
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: of the young Bucks and helping Hangman and and and stuff.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's going to be great.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Very briefly, I do want to bring up a collision
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: match because it kind of goes back to what we
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: were watching earlier, talking about earlier My World an Athena
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: on collision. What do you think who wins this match?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: Athena Athena Yea, you know what I'm I'm gonna I'm
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 8: gonna go out on a limb and say my world.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: He has faced Athena twice in big matches, well three
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: times if youman count Survival of the Fittest, but twice
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: in big singles matches since joining a W. First time,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: proving ground match, she went to ten minutes, earned the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: title match. Second time, the title match, fantastic match, like
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: if you can go back and watch it, and I
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: mean she took the fight to Athena, and I mean
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: look really close to being able to beat her third time?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: Could be the charm.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Also you have to think about the chemistry that
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: they these two would have Athena trained my World.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the history and the chemistry they have, Like, yeah,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: I'm looking. I'm really looking forward to the matches. I mean,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: based on their previous to encounters, this should be excellent.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: And I think my World has taken you.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Know, I look at this match, and this is one
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: of those. I mean this with no disrespect at all.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: I don't really care who wins this match. I just
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: really want to watch this match. I think this is
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: going to be a sleeper. I think this is going
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: to be a really great match.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: Ye I want to see Athena go ahead and sorry, yeah.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: The question is is the student better than the teacher?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: M hmm, well that as the teacher said, I taught
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: you everything you know, but I didn't teach you everything
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: I know. That was what Athena said very recently on
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Ring of Honor.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 7: I just want to see Athena wrestle more than twice
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: or more than once. So I want to see her wins.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: I want to see her in the finals.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: And Athena is one of those wrestlers that, like Mercedes,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: they make their opponents look good even when they win.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: They make their opponents look good, and I for one,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: really appreciate that. Warnce Cassidy does that too. Arch Cassidy,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: even when he was on that International Championship to wur,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: he was making his opponents look good. Even though he
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: was winning all those matches, he still made his opponents
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: look good.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: Until you make your opponents look like credible challenge add
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: to you overcoming the like they understand that the better
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: everyone is, the better the champion.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: It.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: Hey, one more thing for a rap Autcolson shout out
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: to Brian Cage with his big win in the Mister
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: Devan or Mister Nevada Bodybuilding Show. I don't know if
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: that's an NPC show or an IVV show. I don't
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: know if he got his pro card or not from that,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: But for anybody who follows bodybuilding like I do casually,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: big achievement explains why he was incredibly lean. It is
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: very not healthy to stay as lean as he's been
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: on TV, but to know he was dieting down for
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: a show and still wrestling is insane.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: Really really great work from him. I hope he keeps
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: it up.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: His back looks fantastic, upper body development look great. Needs
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: a little more work on the hamstrings and calves. I
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: think that's holding him back a little bit, but I
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: was really excited to see him get that, and it's uh,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: it is not easy to win a bodybuilding show, I'll
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: put it that way.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: So really really great great work.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: And hands machine. You can see him and Lance Archer
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: is it's the new uh Spielberg Alien movie.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: He's in the Something Day. What's it called.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to remember.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: Plugged in.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: I think Declaration Day, Yeah, something like that, disclosure disclosure,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: and Captain tells.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just real quick. You know, if you I follow
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Buddy Matthews on Instagram and he's been posting quite a bit.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: One of the things that he posted this week, and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get this wrong, but you'll get the gist
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: of what he said showed him working out. And Buddy
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: Matthews is Jack. You know, he's gigantic, and he's he's
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: a he's a unit. And he said something in the fact,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: I don't work out to be a better wrestler, and
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: I'll work out so that I'm big. I work out
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: because my wife is hot and people will say, have
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: you seen her husband? There you go, and so that's me. Hey,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: it makes sense. And I love that he gave a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: shout out to his hot wife, Ria Ripley. Uh, you know,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: the talented I call hit the talented mister Ripley. But anyway,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: that's our show for this week. We will be back
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: next week with our Forbidden Door preview and prediction show.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping between Dynamite and Collision we actually get some
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: matches firmed up. I don't honestly have a lot of
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: faith in some of this because of these visa issues.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting to see what transpires. But anyway,
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