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Ep. 3705 You Won’t BELIEVE What Steve Bannon Just Did To Ben Shapiro!!! · Turley Talks

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[SPEAKER_00]: The liberal globalist order is on its brink and awakening a new conservative age.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Steve Turley, join me every day as we discover answers to today's toughest challenges and explore the re-bondalization of conservative civilization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Turley Talks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's me, Jack, your Steve, your back porch professor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you're all having a wonderful weekend before Christmas getting your last minute shopping done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's what I've been doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But unfortunately, we do have to talk about what many are calling a civil war.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's erupted inside the magamovement, actually to be more specific.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a civil war that's erupting inside the Trump coalition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd rather it up, you're up now than, like, say, the summer before the mid-terms, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or in 2028.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if you've been following this, but regardless, I do want to make sure you understand what's really going on here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to help you make sense of this because it is something that's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it is at least to a point somewhat destabilizing the Trump coalition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So as we speak, we have the fifth annual America fast in Phoenix going on this weekend, sponsored by Charlie Kirk's TPUSA turning point and it's the first major event
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[SPEAKER_00]: where Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, has taken leadership.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she personally, as I understand it, invited representatives from the whole of the Trump coalition broadly speaking and it didn't take long before shots were fired as it were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Shapiro started off with some pretty scathing remarks for the conservative movement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He declared, quote, the conservative movement is in serious danger, not from the left, but from Charlotton who claimed to speak in the name of principle, but actually traffic in conspiracism and dishonesty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he directly attacked Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, and those defending Candace Owens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On Bannon, Shapiro called him a PR flag for Jeffrey Epstein, and said, go ahead and Google it, and you'll see what I mean, and that
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you do that, you'll see Bannon worked with Epstein on what Bannon said was a documentary on exposing the sins of the globalist elite, but it got turned into claims that Bannon was coaching Epstein on how to repair his tarnished image.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shapiro accused Dr. Carlson of elevating Candace Owens, particularly her conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk's horrific assassination, giving a platform for Nick Fwendays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and he excoriated Tucker for having, you know, no business hosting and Hitler apologists, Nazi loving, peace of refuse like Nick Fuentes, and he called out those refused to condemn Candace Owens and her what he called horrifically vicious attacks against T.P.
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[SPEAKER_00]: USA in the light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he also torched the heritage foundation for giving a platform to Tucker Carlson after he elevated Fuentes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He called Shapiro pompously said he laughed while he was watching clips of Shapiro's speech backstage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He accused him of practicing his own version of cancel culture and deep platforming, which is literally no different than the woke shut up racist tactics, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then Steve Bannon got on stage and he dropped the H bomb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said Ben Shapiro is the farthest thing from manga you can get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a hardcore NeverTrumper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He opposed Trump in 2016.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He supported Ted Cruz and he was one of the first to jump on Ron DeSantis's bandwagon in 2024.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has never ever been America first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, Ben and dropped the mother of all bombs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, quote, Ben Shapiro is like a cancer and that cancer spreads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He tried to take over Breitbart and I ran him out of there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He tried to take over David Horowitz's organization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They kicked him out of there and marked my words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He will make a move on turning point because he's always been envious of Charlie Kirk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So unfortunately, the big news coming out of the latest America fast is that the huge audience that they drew is being treated to speech, after speech remembers the Trump coalition have been airing their grievances and dirty laundry for all to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what sense should we make of all of this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, one level there's actually nothing new here, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Political coalitions often fracture upon achieving power, and the reason for that is simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because they no longer have the unifying force of a shared enemy that they all oppose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that disappearance also often reveals deep ideological strategic and interest-based divisions that were previously suppressed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at one level, unfortunately, this is just part of the course when it
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[SPEAKER_00]: political coalition comes to power, whatever underlying disagreements were suppressed during the campaign, now come to the surface, and everyone now wants their own faction to benefit the most from the newly achieved power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that said, there is something very unique.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in a very historical situation that we're facing today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and there is genuine disagreement within the Trump coalition on how to respond to that world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do I mean by the Trump coalition?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start there, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the coalition's actually quite diverse, but bottom line, the Trump coalition can be seen as two major factions, two wings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got the traditional Republican wing on the one hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to, I just like to call him the Fox News wing, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the wing, the vote of the Reagan, the vote of both Bushes,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They voted for Doll, McCain, Romney, so this is the traditional Republican base as represented by Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin and the light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that Republican base, whether we like it or not, by itself can't win elections anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's because the Bush coalition is dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: McCain, Romney, 16 of the Republicans finest during the primary and 2016, they all found that out the
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Bush coalition that barely allowed Bush to squeak by with back-to-back wins is dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what happened to revitalize the GOP is that Trump brought in with him a second wing, another faction that's proved to be far more powerful politically than anything we've seen in decades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the Maddo Wing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the faction made up of disaffected independent populace, made up of working-class
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[SPEAKER_00]: who actually made up the core of the Obama coalition, but who have since defected and joined up with Trump, note not the GOP.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They actually despise the GOP.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They see the Republicans as a bunch of like Neocon swine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but they love Trump, and they love America first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they've given Trump, I would argue, three massive wins in a row, if you discount the five million Democrats that disappeared into thin air after 2020, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what's happening at America fastes at these two factions, the traditional Republican wing and the maga wing are clashing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're clashing because they represent two fundamentally different worlds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A world ordered around ideology versus a world ordered around identity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the key.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you have to understand here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The conservative movement, you know, that gold water and Reagan helped build.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the movement which the Heritage Foundation and National Review were found in the like, that was a cold war world order defined by a clash of ideologies, so you're either on the side of the Democratic West or the Soviet East.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was an era where the defining question all over the world was what do you believe?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the Republican Party developed a very well-defined set of conservative beliefs and principles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the key here is because what is so important here, those beliefs, those principles extended beyond any geographic region.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were right for everyone, for the entire world, because it was either our beliefs or the Soviets' beliefs that were going to prevail at a global scale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: has come to an end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With the fall of the Soviet Union starting early 90s scholars like Sam Huntington and Harvard, they were arguing that the age of ideology had collapsed, and instead populations were now re-aligning run in age of identity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were turning back to nation, culture, custom and tradition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there were no longer these trans-national principles and convictions of beliefs that all populations have to adhere to politically and economically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've radically rejected that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And populations are instead embracing their own civilization on uniqueness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what Russian Ukraine is all about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what China and Taiwan are all about, or Indian Kashmir are all about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all on and on and on and on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so bottom line, the likes of Ben Shapiro want a Republican party that, you know, continues to define itself according to the police and principles forge during the era of the Cold War whereas the likes of Bannon and Carlson want a Republican party that always now and forever into the ages of ages put some America first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's ideology versus identity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just gonna say it for right or for wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The world in which this idea, the Republican Party, is rooted and believes in ideology, and so forth, that world doesn't exist anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, that party has little plausibility in the world reconstituted around national identity, which ironically Ben Shapiro recognizes for Israel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what Ben and attacker want is they want Ben to afford to America, the same nationalist and religious identity he affords to Israel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that to me is the basis of the clash that we're seeing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you could see it even in the criticisms of someone like Nick Fuentes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, for right or for wrong, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fuentes is being criticized for holding wrong beliefs, wrong ideas, the wrong ideology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which for the Ben Shapiro weighing Trump's his alliance with America first and the rising populist politics of national identity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems to me that this clash was inevitable and I certainly hope that Trump is able to bring peace in the Middle East in a way that assuages both the concerns of the Arab world and the concerns of Israel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's certainly what the Abraham Accords
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're designed to do, but regardless until then, as we saw with really the pathetic Pence Republicans in Indiana, the MAGA faithful, the disaffected independent populace are not welcome among the old Republican establishment wing and the feeling of course is quite mutual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all this is to say that Trump certainly has his hands full in trying to keep this coalition
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you guys think?
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