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Murder In Moscow: What The Investigation Into The Murders In Moscow Looked Like After 7 Months · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. It's
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  Speaker 1: been roughly seven months since Zanna Kernodle, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin,
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  Speaker 1: and Kaylee Gonsalves were found brutally murdered in their home
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  Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho. After a seven-week manhunt, a suspect named
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger was arrested. And according to the police, he's
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  Speaker 1: the man responsible for the grisly murders. So today, We're
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  Speaker 1: going to dive into this article from The Independent and
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  Speaker 1: see where things stand seven months after the murders. This
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  Speaker 1: article was published by The Independent. Headline, four students stabbed
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  Speaker 1: to death, a week's long manhunt, and still no motive.
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  Speaker 1: What we know about the Idaho murders. This article was
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  Speaker 1: authored by Andrea Blanco, Rachel Sharp, and Sheila Flynn. The
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  Speaker 1: murder of four college students in the quiet town of Moscow,
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  Speaker 1: Idaho last November unraveled a months-long investigation that is now
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  Speaker 1: headed to trial. The victims, all students at the University
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho, were ambushed in their rooms and stabbed to
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  Speaker 1: death with a military-style knife that is yet to be found,
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  Speaker 1: and I doubt they're ever going to find that. When
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  Speaker 1: he took that route home, we've talked about this before,
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  Speaker 1: I think that he had some burial pits and some
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  Speaker 1: burn pits and stuff and that's what he did with
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  Speaker 1: the evidence, got rid of it all on his way home.
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  Speaker 1: Police were called to the gruesome scene at the off-campus
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  Speaker 1: residence almost eight hours after the vicious attack. For weeks,
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  Speaker 1: only scant details about the carnage were revealed, as the
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  Speaker 1: community reeled from the tragedy and grappled with fears of
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  Speaker 1: a murderer on the loose. That changed with the December
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  Speaker 1: arrest of Washington State University student Brian Koberger, whose apartment, office,
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  Speaker 1: and family home were raided and searched for evidence. While
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  Speaker 1: more information has become public through the release of search
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  Speaker 1: warrants and arrest records in recent months, a gag order
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  Speaker 1: in the case remains in place, and most aspects of
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  Speaker 1: the probe and its findings are still a mystery. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that there's a bunch of mystery here,
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  Speaker 1: and we don't have even a portion of the details,
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  Speaker 1: but we do get a bit of a game plan, right?
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  Speaker 1: A bit of a blueprint about what's going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes by using those court filings as breadcrumbs. In
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  Speaker 1: a bombshell move on Tuesday, May 15th, a long-expected preliminary
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  Speaker 1: hearing was rerouted when a grand jury secretly convened and
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  Speaker 1: indicted the suspect on one charge of burglary and four
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  Speaker 1: charges of murder. As Mr. Kohlberger is expected to enter
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  Speaker 1: his plea on Monday, the Independent takes a deep dive
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  Speaker 1: into the developments in the complex case in the last
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  Speaker 1: six months. How did the stabbings unfold? Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
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  Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death in
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  Speaker 1: the Young Women's Rental Home on King Road in Moscow
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  Speaker 1: on November 13th. Chapin, Kernodle's boyfriend, was staying at the residence,
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  Speaker 1: which is just a few minutes' walk from the campus,
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  Speaker 1: on the night of the murders. According to an affidavit,
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  Speaker 1: For Mr. Kohlberger's arrest, the killings are believed to have
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  Speaker 1: taken place around 4 a.m. Among the revelations in the
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  Speaker 1: 18-page document is that Mr. Kohlberger's DNA was found on
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  Speaker 1: a knife sheath that the killer left behind at the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene. The tan leather K-bar sheath, which featured the
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  Speaker 1: United States Marine Corps symbol, was discovered on Mogan's bed
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  Speaker 1: next to her butchered body. And when the attacks first happened,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that Kaylee was the target. But after we
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  Speaker 1: learned more information and we found out about the Mad
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  Speaker 1: Greek and the rest of that stuff, I thought that
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan was the likeliest of targets, especially when we
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  Speaker 1: found out that the knife sheath was left right next
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  Speaker 1: to her body. At the time of the quadruple homicide,
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  Speaker 1: the two other roommates, Bethany Funk and Dylan Mortensen, were
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  Speaker 1: inside of the home, but were left unharmed by the killer.
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  Speaker 1: The police report reveals... that Ms. Mortensen came face-to-face with
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  Speaker 1: the masked killer. According to Ms. Mortensen's terrifying account, she
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  Speaker 1: had gone to sleep in her bedroom on the second
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  Speaker 1: floor of the three-floor home and was woken by what
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  Speaker 1: sounded like Gonsalves playing with her dog in one of
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  Speaker 1: the third-floor bedrooms. She told investigators she was in her
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  Speaker 1: bedroom on the second floor of the home, the same
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  Speaker 1: floor where Kernodle and Chapin were killed. and was standing
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  Speaker 1: in the doorway as the killer walked right past her.
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  Speaker 1: A short time later, Ms. Mortensen said she heard someone
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  Speaker 1: believed to be either Gonsalves or Kernodle saying, There's someone here.
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  Speaker 1: And can you imagine the terror as the realization set
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  Speaker 1: in that somebody was in the house for Zanna and
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the girls? That must have been absolutely
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  Speaker 1: terrifying for these poor kids. Minutes later, Ms. Mortensen said,
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  Speaker 1: She looked out of her bedroom for the last time,
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  Speaker 1: but did not see anything. Then she opened her door
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  Speaker 1: for a second time when she heard what she thought
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  Speaker 1: was crying coming from Kernodle's room. The document states, At
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  Speaker 1: that point, she heard a man's voice saying, It's okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to help you. When she opened her door
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  Speaker 1: for a third time, minutes later, she said she saw
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  Speaker 1: a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that
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  Speaker 1: covered the person's mouth and nose walking towards her. As
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  Speaker 1: she stood in frozen shock phase, she said the man,
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  Speaker 1: who she did not recognize, walked past her and headed
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  Speaker 1: towards the backsliding glass door of the home. She then
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  Speaker 1: locked herself in the room. Think about that scenario for
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  Speaker 1: a minute, and think about how terrifying that must be
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  Speaker 1: and the PTSD that she must have from this. Despite
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  Speaker 1: the close encounter, a 911 call wasn't made until 11.58am,
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  Speaker 1: 8 hours later. The call made from one of the
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  Speaker 1: surviving roommate's cell phones reported an unconscious individual. It is
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  Speaker 1: unclear if the killer saw her or whether she simply
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  Speaker 1: had a lucky escape because he didn't notice her inside
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  Speaker 1: of the dark home. This raises the question around whether
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  Speaker 1: or not he planned to kill all four victims or
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  Speaker 1: whether some of the victims were treated as collateral damage
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  Speaker 1: in the horrific attack. Gonsalves and Mogan's bodies were found
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  Speaker 1: in a bedroom on the third floor, while Kernodle and
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  Speaker 1: Chapin were found on the second floor of the home.
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  Speaker 1: The affidavit reveals no details about the connection, if any, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Koberger had to his alleged victims. Mr. Koberger, a criminal
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  Speaker 1: justice Ph.D. student at Washington State University, lived just 15
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  Speaker 1: minutes away from the victims over the Idaho-Washington border in Pullman,
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  Speaker 1: having moved there to begin the academic program in August
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  Speaker 1: of 2022. At this point, I think it's pretty safe
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  Speaker 1: to assume that all of the other people who were
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  Speaker 1: killed were collateral damage. I think that Madison was certainly
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  Speaker 1: his target and he didn't expect Kaylee to be there
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  Speaker 1: because remember, Kaylee had moved out. So once he came
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  Speaker 1: into that room and he found that Kaylee was there,
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  Speaker 1: he went into a rage. Oh, she's going to interrupt
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  Speaker 1: my time with Madison? Oh, I'll show her. And then
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  Speaker 1: logically that could explain the overkill that we heard about
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  Speaker 1: with Kaylee Gonsalves' body that her dad was talking about. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when these killers get mad and they feel
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  Speaker 1: like they're wronged, this is the sort of thing that happened.
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  Speaker 1: In his mind, his narcissistic, broken-ass, busted bean, he feels
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  Speaker 1: like he has to make someone pay now because he's
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  Speaker 1: not going to get the time that he thought he
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  Speaker 1: was going to get with Madison. And then what transpired
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  Speaker 1: after that is this dude going into a frenzy, is
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  Speaker 1: what I'm guessing, and then Zanna and Ethan, collateral damage
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  Speaker 1: for sure. For me, anyway, that makes the most sense.
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  Speaker 1: Who are the victims? Gonsalves and Mogan, both 21, were
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  Speaker 1: seniors at the University of Idaho and were expected to
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  Speaker 1: graduate this year. At a vigil weeks after the murders,
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalves' father, Mr. Gonsalves, told how the two absolutely beautiful
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  Speaker 1: young women first met in sixth grade and became inseparable.
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  Speaker 1: They just found each other and every day they did
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  Speaker 1: their homework together. They came to our house together. They
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  Speaker 1: shared everything, he said at the time. Then they started
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  Speaker 1: looking at colleges. They came here together. They eventually get
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  Speaker 1: into the same apartment together. And in the end, they
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  Speaker 1: died together in the same room, in the same bed.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about tragic. And for the Gonsalves family, they were
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  Speaker 1: really close to Madison as well. And I'm sure some
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  Speaker 1: of you out there had a really close friend when
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  Speaker 1: you were younger, high school into college, I know I did,
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  Speaker 1: that were basically like my family members. In fact, growing up,
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  Speaker 1: I had several of my friends living with me and
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  Speaker 1: my parents, obviously, because they came from broken homes and
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  Speaker 1: my parents weren't going to let them suffer through it.
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  Speaker 1: So when they were living with us and Christmas came
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  Speaker 1: rolling around or whatever, my friends got the same sort
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  Speaker 1: of presents that my sister and I got. And my
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  Speaker 1: folks certainly weren't rich, not by a long shot. But
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  Speaker 1: they always tried to do what they could for everybody
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  Speaker 1: around them. And they had an open door policy when
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  Speaker 1: I was a kid. Because of so many people who
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  Speaker 1: come from broken homes, my parents were always aware of that, right?
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  Speaker 1: And they wanted my friends to know that they had
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  Speaker 1: a place they can go, hang out, play video games, swim,
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  Speaker 1: all of that in a safe environment. So I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that most of you had friends like that growing up
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  Speaker 1: as well, where your friend's parents were like a second
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  Speaker 1: set of parents to you. And imagine being high school
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  Speaker 1: age with that friend. and this happening? It's almost too
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  Speaker 1: impossible to imagine. But unfortunately for these families now, this
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  Speaker 1: is their new reality, and they're going to have to
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  Speaker 1: live with the fact that this sick, disgusting son of
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  Speaker 1: a bitch murdered their family members. Curnodal and Chapin were
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  Speaker 1: juniors at the college and had begun dating months before
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  Speaker 1: their deaths. The couple of 20-year-olds is believed to have
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  Speaker 1: been awake at the time the stabbings were carried out.
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  Speaker 1: Six months after the stabbings, the families of the slain
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  Speaker 1: students accepted awards for their achievements. Mogan and Gonsalves' relatives
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  Speaker 1: walked across the stage for their degrees in an emotional
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  Speaker 1: ceremony on May 13th. Kernodle's family also accepted her certificate
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  Speaker 1: in marketing at a separate ceremony, while Chapin's award in
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  Speaker 1: sports recreation and management was mailed to his parents. The
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  Speaker 1: Chapins really aren't into it. You can tell that they're
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  Speaker 1: focusing on their other children and that's it. They're not
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  Speaker 1: going to be involved with any of this stuff, it
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  Speaker 1: looks like. And you know what? Nobody can fault them.
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  Speaker 1: That's the way that they've chosen to grieve. That's the
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  Speaker 1: way that they've chosen to deal with their new reality.
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  Speaker 1: And unless somebody's walking in their shoes, we can't even
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  Speaker 1: begin to imagine what we would be feeling or how
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  Speaker 1: we would react. And the Chapins have been pretty clear
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to focus on the foundation and they're
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  Speaker 1: going to focus on their other children as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: all of this. Who is Brian Koberger? At the time
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  Speaker 1: of the murders, Mr. Koberger was studying for his PhD
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  Speaker 1: and working as a teaching assistant in criminal justice at
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  Speaker 1: Washington State University. Prior to this, Mr. Koberger studied criminology
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  Speaker 1: at DeSalas University, first as an undergraduate and then finishing
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  Speaker 1: his graduate studies in in June of 2022. According to
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  Speaker 1: online school records, Mr. Kohlberger received an Associates in Arts
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  Speaker 1: degree in 2018 from Northampton Community College in Albrightville and
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  Speaker 1: received a Master's degree in Criminal Justice this year from
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  Speaker 1: DeSalus University. Imagine wasting all that time going to school,
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  Speaker 1: getting all of these degrees, doing all that homework, all
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  Speaker 1: of these projects, and then saying to hell with it
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  Speaker 1: all and walking into somebody's house and murdering four people?
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  Speaker 1: While studying at DeSalas, he studied under a renowned forensic psychologist,
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  Speaker 1: Catherine Ramsland, who interviewed the BTK serial killer and co-wrote
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  Speaker 1: the book, Confessions of a Serial Killer, The Untold Story
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  Speaker 1: of Dennis Rader, the BTK killer with him. He was
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  Speaker 1: working part-time as a security guard until August of 2021
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  Speaker 1: at Pleasant Valley School District, where his mother was listed
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  Speaker 1: as as a paraprofessional. The alleged murderer carried out a
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  Speaker 1: research project to understand how emotions and psychological traits influence
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  Speaker 1: decision-making when committing crimes. Mr. Koberger reached out to potential
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  Speaker 1: participants on Reddit with a chilling survey resurfacing after his arrest.
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  Speaker 1: In particular, this study seeks to understand the story behind
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  Speaker 1: your most recent criminal offense with an emphasis on your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings throughout your experience, the post said. His
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  Speaker 1: fascination appears to have continued around the time of the
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  Speaker 1: murders when he applied for an internship with the local
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  Speaker 1: police department. The affidavit revealed that he applied for an
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  Speaker 1: internship in the fall of 2022 with the Pullman Police
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  Speaker 1: Department and wrote in an essay how he had an
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  Speaker 1: interest in assisting rural law enforcement agencies how to better
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  Speaker 1: collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations. And
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  Speaker 1: for somebody who was studying all of this stuff, technological operations, blah, blah, blah,
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  Speaker 1: he sure did shit the bed trying to commit this crime, huh?
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  Speaker 1: What the unsealed records reveal. After weeks of no updates
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  Speaker 1: on the investigation, law enforcement in Idaho and Pennsylvania announced Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's arrest on December 30th. A search warrant was executed.
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  Speaker 1: at Mr. Koberger's apartment in Pullman, Washington, the same day
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  Speaker 1: he was arrested at his parents' home in Pennsylvania. A
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  Speaker 1: record of evidence recovered during the apartment search revealed the
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  Speaker 1: seizure of 15 items, including hairs, receipts, a computer tower,
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  Speaker 1: a disposable glove, and items with peculiar stains. In the
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  Speaker 1: search warrant record, investigators list several items with stains, including
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  Speaker 1: cutting of a mattress cover, a reddish-brown stain on an
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  Speaker 1: uncovered pillow, and a collection of dark red spots. Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Monty Miller, a former crime scene investigator and forensic expert,
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  Speaker 1: and former FBI agent Jennifer Kofendaffer, told The Independent back
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  Speaker 1: in January that investigators most likely believed those items had
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  Speaker 1: blood stains. A reddish or brown stain is a coupahism
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  Speaker 1: for we found something that looks like blood. Dr. Miller
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  Speaker 1: said at the time, It might be blood from the victims,
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  Speaker 1: might be his blood. They don't know until they test it,
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  Speaker 1: but they'll be able to get DNA if it's blood.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know what the stains in the cover sheets
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  Speaker 1: look like, but again, but again, they're looking for any
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  Speaker 1: kind of DNA evidence that might have come from the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene. Ms. Coffendaffer added, they don't call it blood,
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  Speaker 1: but it's definitely inferred that it was blood. Court documents
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  Speaker 1: released by the Washington authorities on May 4th showed that
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  Speaker 1: multiple items taken from Mr. Kohlberger's apartment in Pullman had
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  Speaker 1: been tested for the presence of blood. While most items
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  Speaker 1: came back negative, two unspecified items were positive. And again,
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  Speaker 1: we have to be cautious to get too optimistic here
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  Speaker 1: that that's going to lead directly to Kohlberger because we
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  Speaker 1: don't know where that blood came from. He could have
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  Speaker 1: been shaving, whatever. Another item included on the list of
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  Speaker 1: seizures was a possible animal hair strand. While Mr. Koberger
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  Speaker 1: is not believed to have a pet, one of the
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  Speaker 1: victims he is accused of killing, Gonsalves, had a dog
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  Speaker 1: that was at home at the time of the murders
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  Speaker 1: and was later found by police responding to the scene.
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  Speaker 1: So if that's the case and they can track that
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  Speaker 1: hair back to Murphy the dog, forget it. That's a cincher.
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  Speaker 1: The possible animal hair, they'll try to connect that to
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  Speaker 1: the dog left at the scene. According to Dr. Miller,
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  Speaker 1: if there's a root on that, if there's any skin
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  Speaker 1: on that hair, they could do a DNA test with
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  Speaker 1: that dog. If it's just a hair that's been shed
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  Speaker 1: and there is no skin, they would still be able
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  Speaker 1: to do a microscopical comparison and exclude most dogs, but
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't be able to connect it necessarily to that dog.
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  Speaker 1: So it depends on the condition that the evidence was
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  Speaker 1: found in. Mr. Koberger was also linked to the crime
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  Speaker 1: through cell phone records, and his white Hyundai Elantra, a
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  Speaker 1: similar model of the car seen near the murder home
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  Speaker 1: around the time of the murders. Mr. Koberger changed the
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  Speaker 1: license plates on his Hyundai Elantra just days after the murders.
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  Speaker 1: The suspect's car had Pennsylvania plates when it was pulled
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  Speaker 1: over by police in Moscow in August of 2022, according
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  Speaker 1: to a citation from the Latah County Sheriff's Office. A
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  Speaker 1: review of documents on Carfax by Newsweek showed that Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Koberger changed the registration from Pennsylvania to Washington on November 18th,
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  Speaker 1: five days after four students were found stabbed to death
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  Speaker 1: in the Moscow home. What we don't know, no murder
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  Speaker 1: weapon has been found. Police said before the gag order
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  Speaker 1: was issued following Mr. Koberger's arrest. It is not known
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  Speaker 1: if the killer personally knew one or more of the
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  Speaker 1: victims and whether the attack was carried out in a
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  Speaker 1: fit of jealousy or rage. No motive is known. So
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to even mention here in this article
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he was at the Mad Greek, according
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  Speaker 1: to sources, or that he was following the girls on Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: or that he had their pictures on his phone. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's all pretty important evidence, right? So that should
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  Speaker 1: at least be mentioned here as speculation. Authorities have refused
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  Speaker 1: to reveal who made the 911 call and will not
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  Speaker 1: release the audio. It is unclear what the roommates and
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  Speaker 1: other friends discussed in the call and what led them
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  Speaker 1: to describe the victim as merely unconscious. Investigators have not
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  Speaker 1: revealed whether they believe the killer entered the house before
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  Speaker 1: the victims arrived home and hid before striking in their
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  Speaker 1: sleep or whether he entered the house after the students returned.
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  Speaker 1: And we've talked about this too. There's certainly a chance
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  Speaker 1: that he was laying in wait in the house, no
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  Speaker 1: doubt about it. But until we get some confirmation one
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  Speaker 1: way or the other, pure speculation either way. What comes next?
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  Speaker 1: A preliminary hearing where prosecutors had to show the judge
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  Speaker 1: that there is enough evidence to justify moving forward with
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  Speaker 1: the charges of burglary and four counts of murder was
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  Speaker 1: previously scheduled for June 26th. However, on May 16th, a
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  Speaker 1: grand jury indicted Mr. Kohlberger on the same charges, effectively
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  Speaker 1: rerouting his case directly to the state's felony court. and
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  Speaker 1: allowing prosecutors to skip the prelim hearing process, the Associated
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  Speaker 1: Press reported. The former Washington State University Ph.D. student is
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  Speaker 1: now expected to appear for his arraignment in the Latah
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  Speaker 1: County District Court at 9 a.m. on Monday to enter
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  Speaker 1: a plea. According to the indictment, Mr. Koberger is charged
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  Speaker 1: with four counts of murder in the first degree and
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  Speaker 1: one count of burglary. Each murder count states that he
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  Speaker 1: did willfully, unlawfully, deliberately, with premeditation, and with malice aforethought,
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  Speaker 1: kill and murder each of the victims by stabbing. The
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  Speaker 1: list of potential witnesses who testified before the grand jury
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  Speaker 1: is sealed. Mr. Kohlberger's indictment means that the jurors impaneled
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  Speaker 1: on the grand jury believe that there was enough evidence
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  Speaker 1: against him for the case to proceed to trial. Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger said through a public defender earlier this year that
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  Speaker 1: he was eager to be exonerated. He is being represented
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  Speaker 1: by Ann Taylor, one of 13 public defense attorneys in
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  Speaker 1: the state who can work in cases where the prosecution
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  Speaker 1: requests capital punishment. Prosecutors in the Idaho murder case have
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  Speaker 1: not publicly addressed whether they plan to make that request.
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  Speaker 1: I would be absolutely shocked if they didn't ask for
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty here considering the gruesomeness of what happened
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  Speaker 1: and the number of lives lost. So it would be
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  Speaker 1: a shock to me if they didn't request the death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: As far as where we stand, I think that it's
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  Speaker 1: becoming more apparent, at least to me anyway, that the authorities,
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  Speaker 1: the prosecutors in Idaho, and everybody else involved They have
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  Speaker 1: the right guy. I think that Brian Kohlberger is guilty here,
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  Speaker 1: but we have to have the process play itself out. Again, what?
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  Speaker 1: We've never seen the state screw up before. We've never
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  Speaker 1: seen the state say they have the right guy and
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  Speaker 1: not have the right guy. Now, again, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's the case here, but that's why this process has
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  Speaker 1: to play out. And Brian Kohlberger most assuredly is owed
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  Speaker 1: his day in court to give evidence on his own
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  Speaker 1: behalf and try and force a different narrative. But from
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  Speaker 1: the evidence that we have seen so far, and now
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  Speaker 1: the fact that we see this grand jury indictment as well,
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  Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that Brian Koberger, or
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  Speaker 1: the defense, is going to launch some kind of surprise
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  Speaker 1: and turn the tables. So, we'll continue to see what
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  Speaker 1: we see, and we'll see what the defense decides to
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  Speaker 1: unveil as things continue to evolve. Alright folks, that's going
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  Speaker 1: to do it for this one. All of the information
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