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Unbreakable w/ Jay Glazer - Bret Michaels · The Ben Maller Show

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  Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast
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  Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome in to Unbreakable, a mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer and joining me now. If you follow
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  Speaker 2: my Instagram, you see that I go big and my
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  Speaker 2: glazier palooz is at my house. I don't have just
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  Speaker 2: anybody play music. I don't just use the shit out
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  Speaker 2: of my friends for nothing. I gotta go and throw
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  Speaker 2: these extravagant glazier ploos is. The star of news is
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  Speaker 2: the man joining me now, my brother. And one of
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  Speaker 2: the greatest things about doing this podcast is I met
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  Speaker 2: this man the first time he was on my podcast,
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  Speaker 2: and he truly has become one of the best friends
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  Speaker 2: I've ever had in my life. You know, nothing but
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  Speaker 2: a good time. Yes, probably Noma's the guy who've broken
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  Speaker 2: up to a girl with over a song every rose.
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  Speaker 2: How's this story? One and only? Brett Michaels.
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  Speaker 3: Oh right, brother, Jay, my brother, I'm doing awesome, man.
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  Speaker 3: It is great to see you. And we've had many jayapaloosas,
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  Speaker 3: and a few of them that we actually remember, which
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  Speaker 3: is good.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well barely vaguely. Let me tell you guys about it.
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  Speaker 2: So you guys, I was in no Brett one of
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  Speaker 2: the biggest recruiting artists in the world. But also Brett,
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  Speaker 2: as time has gone on here has gotten more successful,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to kind of dive into him what
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  Speaker 2: he's done. And he always kind of reinvents himself and
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  Speaker 2: builds up more and builds up Moore. The Brandon gets
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  Speaker 2: burger so much so that he played at the main
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  Speaker 2: concert at the Indy five hundred a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago that was broadcast on Fox, and it's like, man,
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  Speaker 2: there was hundreds of thousands of people there. He just
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  Speaker 2: gets bigger. With Tom He's like, okamis wine. So I
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  Speaker 2: want to kind of dive into that with him. But
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  Speaker 2: before we get that, folks, let me tell you how
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  Speaker 2: big Brett Michaels is. I take Brett to Steelers camp
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  Speaker 2: because that's what friends do.
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  Speaker 3: And I love you for it, Jay, I love you
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  Speaker 3: for it. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Here we are Pittsburgh Steelers camp, and Brett grew up
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  Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. Outside of Pittsburgh, he grew up going to
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  Speaker 2: Steelers camp outside the fence. Put his little kid. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I got you. I'm gonna bring you in with Mike Tomlin,
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  Speaker 2: not that whole thing, and we bring them the Steelers camping.
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  Speaker 2: After we go to a bar in La Trope. So
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  Speaker 2: it's me him, Mike Tomlin, head coach of the Steelers.
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  Speaker 2: This is the head coach of the Steelers. People could
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  Speaker 2: care less that Mike Tomlin was sitting at that bar
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  Speaker 2: called Dino's. There was a line out the door for
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  Speaker 2: Brett Michaels. I'm like, this is supposed to be an
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  Speaker 2: NFL bar and NFL camp. They could care less. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, Brett, you know what that is because the
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  Speaker 2: authenticity of the guy that you are. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: just brought you all this love throughout the years and
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  Speaker 2: it continues to just build like that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Jay, first of all, thank you that day to
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  Speaker 3: this second second here with you, one of the best
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  Speaker 3: days of my life. You have to understand. First of all,
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  Speaker 3: I want to go on the record, Jay, I love
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  Speaker 3: you for the build up, but that is not true.
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  Speaker 3: They loved you, they love Mike. They were crawling over
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  Speaker 3: The problem was I was standing in front of you
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  Speaker 3: and Mike, so they had to crawl over me to
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  Speaker 3: get to you. Guys, right, they were just moving me
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  Speaker 3: out of the way. I was just accepting the love
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  Speaker 3: as it came by, right. But we went to camp
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  Speaker 3: that day and dude, you we talked about this a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I since my childhood, especially around six years old getting
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  Speaker 3: diagnosed with being diabetic, sports has been such an important
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  Speaker 3: part of my life. Saved my life and music. And
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  Speaker 3: we used to go there with my dad, my sisters.
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  Speaker 3: We would stand on the other side of the fence
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I'm talking about I've got pictures of me.
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  Speaker 3: I've shown you. Joe Green in the background, Lambert Terry
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  Speaker 3: Bradshaw came over and said hello. Terry was super cool.
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  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, to be there with you,
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  Speaker 3: with Mike Tomlin throwing ball, talking to TJ, talking to
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  Speaker 3: just it was just it was awesome. And then I stole,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you. I borrowed a couple
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  Speaker 3: of the practice balls. They managed to make it into
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  Speaker 3: my RV which I'm traveling around in. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 3: an ABD outdoorsman. So the uh, I just wanted to
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  Speaker 3: say a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Of talking about that. By the way, they start a
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  Speaker 2: mini camp, but they can't practice because they got no balls.
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  Speaker 3: You know, hey, it's said boom, what happened on?
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  Speaker 2: Now we know the crime has been solved.
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  Speaker 3: Tell the Rooney's I'm good for it.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers shows up and he's like, dude, there's no
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  Speaker 2: balls to throw the balls.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not kidding. I took a couple. I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 3: hide you. They managed to disappear, right, but the Rooneys know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm good for it. I'm coming clean out. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: buck up on those all right dinos. I think it
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  Speaker 3: was one of the bars in Latrobe and that was
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  Speaker 3: one of the best. I'm telling you. I got some pictures.
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  Speaker 3: We'll post them up again of the uh we'll just
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  Speaker 3: say no letters.
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  Speaker 2: Video of me and Mike t going what this dude,
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  Speaker 2: No one even knows you're here, my team coach. They
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  Speaker 2: could care less. He's like, all good, broke, all good.
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  Speaker 3: You know him, I'll go it was awesome. And his
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  Speaker 3: son Mason there, Mason comes out on stage with me
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  Speaker 3: all the time. He's a great musician.
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  Speaker 2: Opens up for Brett Michaels. Now it's sometimes on the road.
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  Speaker 2: How cool is that?
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing and that folks, I want you to hear
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  Speaker 3: this that's the way.
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  Speaker 2: One of the times I try and do his life.
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  Speaker 2: I try and connect people, and I try and connect
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  Speaker 2: good people with good people. And all I did was
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  Speaker 2: I asked Brett to sit with Mason. Hey, he's a
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  Speaker 2: rising recording artist. Can you sit with him. I've known
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  Speaker 2: him since he was zero, and can you just help him,
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  Speaker 2: you know, give him some advice along way. It's all
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to do. And you sat with him,
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  Speaker 2: and you went above me on and you saw something
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  Speaker 2: in me like, not only am I going to after
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  Speaker 2: you're sitting with him, not only do I have this viceroom, Mason,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have you open up for me in Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 2: and several other places. It was a win win for all.
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  Speaker 3: It was great. And I told you, I think, knowing
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  Speaker 3: this about you but about me as well, I don't
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  Speaker 3: say something I'm not gonna do. So I told Mason,
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  Speaker 3: I said, and he's like, are you serious? We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: be start like at the Amphitheater on the Party Grawl tour.
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  Speaker 3: And he he killed it. I mean he walked out there.
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  Speaker 3: He was such a pro The crowd got fired up
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  Speaker 3: and boom, we went into it and it was just
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  Speaker 3: we do it every year. The party were at three
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  Speaker 3: point zero now party grawl, Party grawl, three point zero.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I want to get into, correct because
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  Speaker 2: a lot of guys, you know, they have their their
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  Speaker 2: hits and they as they get older, certain guys kind
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  Speaker 2: of can float away and oblivion. Certain guys trying to
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  Speaker 2: reinvent themselves. You see different things. But you have almost
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  Speaker 2: found this fountain of youth in this party, Gras. And
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  Speaker 2: it's not just you, but the names you bring up
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  Speaker 2: there with you when I talk about, hey, you know
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  Speaker 2: the way you your loyalty is about a give give right.
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  Speaker 2: What can you do for someone without expecting someone something back?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: That's that's would be a loyalist. And it seems like
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  Speaker 2: that has given back to you tenfold. But tell me, like,
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  Speaker 2: what are I begin with this? So again, folks till
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  Speaker 2: like Brett'll do these concerts now we calls the party
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  Speaker 2: grop and give us an idea of who's out there
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  Speaker 2: with you, but also kind of how you decided to
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  Speaker 2: evolve into that from just you know, going solo by
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  Speaker 2: yourself or when you're with poison to what it's become now.
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  Speaker 3: And why so a couple of reasons. One. So, first
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  Speaker 3: of all, let me start with my brothers in Poison,
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  Speaker 3: Bobby cc Ricky, they're my friends, they're my brothers. I
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  Speaker 3: am grateful. I wouldn't be here talking to you if
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't for us together in a small town out
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  Speaker 3: of Mechanics Purt Pennsylvania, getting together, selling everything we own,
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  Speaker 3: getting in a van and driving to Los Angeles. Live
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  Speaker 3: behind a dry cleaner. There's no lie. I think we've
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  Speaker 3: talked about this many times. I'd live behind a dry
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  Speaker 3: cleaner in downtown LA. And that loyalty amongst us has
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  Speaker 3: been fantastic. Now we do it with Poison about every
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  Speaker 3: four years. We did eighteen, then we did the stadium
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  Speaker 3: tour in twenty two, and then we'll do it again
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  Speaker 3: here in a few you're it'll be amazing. But the
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  Speaker 3: solo careers, because if anyone watches any of my socials,
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  Speaker 3: I'll go from Indie where we just broke poisons record
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  Speaker 3: with the Brett Michaels band. So Poison set the record
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  Speaker 3: twenty thirteen sixty eight thousand, and we just did a
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  Speaker 3: little over eighty five thousand, and I told them round
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  Speaker 3: it up to eighty six. We rounded it down to
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  Speaker 3: eighty five. I go, no, no, don't round me down,
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  Speaker 3: round me up. You go, And I want to tell
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  Speaker 3: you something. Working it's about having great relationships in the
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  Speaker 3: business I'm in. It's about moving parts. It's about so
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  Speaker 3: many moving parts every minute of every day, from doing
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  Speaker 3: an interview to drawing out what you want to set
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  Speaker 3: to be to knowing the band you want on it.
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  Speaker 3: The first words out of my mouth is I need
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  Speaker 3: to call the artists myself. I'm like, this is about
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  Speaker 3: us having in order for the fans to have a
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  Speaker 3: great time, the band's got to have a great time.
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  Speaker 3: I can only work off sincerity because everyone comes out
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  Speaker 3: with me is playing real live music, in other words,
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  Speaker 3: where the instruments are live, the show's live. And so
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  Speaker 3: it starts like that, and then I literally drew this.
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  Speaker 3: I'll make you laugh when you see the drawling. I
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  Speaker 3: drew it on a piece of paper, Neanderthal style, right
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  Speaker 3: on my Hillbilly hard drive. That's why I call it paper.
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  Speaker 3: And my pen drew out the stage where we were
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  Speaker 3: going to go, what side the artist would come out on.
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  Speaker 3: And then you find the right people around me, the ton.
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  Speaker 2: People who've been who you've had to perform with you
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  Speaker 2: in a basic party round.
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  Speaker 3: So it's so basically, here's here's D Snyder born on
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  Speaker 3: the same day as me, March fifteenth. So D Snyder
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  Speaker 3: from Twisted Sister. So I go three songs into my set.
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  Speaker 3: I say, I'd love to hear a Twisted Sister song.
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  Speaker 3: I land pyro goes de Snyder comes out those three hits,
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  Speaker 3: he lands. Mark McGrath from Sugar Ray born on the
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  Speaker 3: same day he plays music. Chris Jansen, a huge country
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  Speaker 3: star right now, comes out, starts doing buy Me a Boat.
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  Speaker 3: Then Don Felder from the Eagles, Lou Graham from Foreigner Bans.
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  Speaker 3: Want to hear kit after kid after kid, and that's
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  Speaker 3: what we bring him, just an absolute party.
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  Speaker 2: So what got you to say, Hey, this is you know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes the best ideas are so simple, it's brilliant, but
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  Speaker 2: no one dots thought of it. But you what got
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  Speaker 2: you to think of that idea?
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  Speaker 3: So it was a simple I wanted to have a
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  Speaker 3: show where instead of the bands, they do a set,
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  Speaker 3: then they shut down for a half hour, then they
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  Speaker 3: have another band, and at the end of the night
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  Speaker 3: one of them may join you. Right, I said, what
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  Speaker 3: if we do this. Every band that's going to open,
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  Speaker 3: like Don Felder from the Eagles. I mean, you're talking
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  Speaker 3: about the guy's written some of the biggest songs in history.
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  Speaker 3: He's the nicest guy in the world. He does his
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  Speaker 3: Eagles hits, then he comes and joins me on stage.
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  Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, you have Night Ranger out there, right,
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  Speaker 3: you got Chris Jansen out there, Jeffersons Starship, and then
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  Speaker 3: I'm mixing country, rock, hop, you name it. When I
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  Speaker 3: did Boardwalk Rock a couple of weeks ago in Ocean City, Maryland,
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  Speaker 3: it's all the bands fuel lit, every band that's been
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  Speaker 3: friends of mine forever coming up on stage and just
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  Speaker 3: killing it, and they join me and we either do
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  Speaker 3: one of their songs they do one of mine. But that,
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  Speaker 3: to me, Jay is what music's always been about. When
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  Speaker 3: we're setting it at jay Apaloos on your patio, which
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  Speaker 3: is amazingly awesome looking over an ocean, I won't mention
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  Speaker 3: which ocean, right it is. You set the tone of
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  Speaker 3: that party. And I told you that the first time
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  Speaker 3: I ever met you. You set a tone. You welcome
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  Speaker 3: people in that door. We feel welcome. We break out
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  Speaker 3: the guitar, we listen to Sean McVay saying the most
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  Speaker 3: horrible version of every Rose ever, but we love him.
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  Speaker 3: Then he had remember me and him wrestle.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and Cliff King broke it up. Yes, yes, but
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  Speaker 2: it was and Cliff, it just go back to what
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  Speaker 2: spawned the idea. In the first play, you're saying how
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  Speaker 2: great it is, but what gave you the idea?
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  Speaker 3: So the idea was just it was simple, bringing out
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  Speaker 3: friends of mine that I could join, they could join
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  Speaker 3: me on stage, that we're willing hear me out to
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  Speaker 3: let my solo band be the music. So my solo
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  Speaker 3: band put in all the work. Pete Evick and my
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  Speaker 3: band put in all the work to learn every song
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  Speaker 3: from Foreigner, every song from the Eagles, every song from
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  Speaker 3: Sugar Ray, whoever's joining me, right, they learn them. So
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  Speaker 3: that the idea was to come out and seamlessly. You know,
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  Speaker 3: most times you have to stop down. The audience is
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  Speaker 3: kind of like, okay, they're waiting. You're in the middle
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  Speaker 3: about to you know, rock the world, and all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden you got to stop down and change drummers,
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  Speaker 3: drum kit. We didn't want to do that, and so
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  Speaker 3: the idea was it was seamless, and that's what happened.
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  Speaker 3: They came up. My band is one big band, and
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  Speaker 3: they come out and three songs in, I'll finish say
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  Speaker 3: nothing but a good time. I land on the ground.
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  Speaker 3: Piro goes up. I throw the microphone and all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden d Snyder singing I want to rock right
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  Speaker 3: and we're not going to take it. Then he singing
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  Speaker 3: Highway to Hell, throws the microphone back to me, and
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  Speaker 3: then I go up. And most of the time I
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  Speaker 3: stay on stage and play guitar or congos, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean? Who, by the way, Bill jumped out
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  Speaker 3: on us? On you? Bill Richer's supposed to be up
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  Speaker 3: there on that stage.
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  Speaker 2: Is our producer at Foxonville Sunday. So topics to become
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  Speaker 2: a big business for you. But what I didn't understand
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  Speaker 2: until I talked to you more, there's so much more
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  Speaker 2: business than just what you see. Hey, tickets people are
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  Speaker 2: showing up. There's you have a hand in concessions and
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  Speaker 2: shirts and merchandise and all that. How did you educate
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  Speaker 2: yourself on what you should be getting, what should be
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  Speaker 2: produced and then you can have a stake in that.
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  Speaker 3: That's actually a very that's a great question.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I do.
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  Speaker 3: You do great questions. So here's the real answer. The
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  Speaker 3: first book I ever read, ever read about the entertainment
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  Speaker 3: business called get It in Writing, So it told you
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  Speaker 3: everyone loves your babe, you're the best come out. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to take care of you. If you don't have
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  Speaker 3: that in writing, good luck at the end of the show.
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  Speaker 3: So we go in there and the first thing we
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  Speaker 3: did from ground zero that was a blessing for Poison.
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  Speaker 3: We kept all of our publishing except for what's called
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  Speaker 3: an admin deal and administration deal, so on all of
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  Speaker 3: our songs, the masters, the songs, the publishing we own.
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  Speaker 3: So when those songs go anywhere they're played except for
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  Speaker 3: a ten percent administration deal that Bobby and myself worked
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  Speaker 3: on in getting with the band Ricky and CC. And
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  Speaker 3: so that's an important part is own. These are all
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  Speaker 3: like our children, every song, whether solo or Poison. Owning that,
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  Speaker 3: then I own my own merchandise. So and everyone wanted
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  Speaker 3: to give you an advance. Here's where they get you, Jay.
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  Speaker 3: When you're starving and you're living in a warehouse, they
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  Speaker 3: send you a limousine and a contract this big, and
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  Speaker 3: you haven't eaten two weeks. It looks pretty exciting, and
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  Speaker 3: it happens. It happens to so many great artists, and
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  Speaker 3: we just held out and said, nope, I'm starving anyway.
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  Speaker 3: And we just went through the deals and the deals,
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  Speaker 3: and we finally just decided the keyword bet on ourself.
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  Speaker 3: So there was no big glory day when our first
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  Speaker 3: record came out. I was in El Segundo, California. There
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  Speaker 3: was no massive party. I love to tell you there was.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they sent a private jet, there was a limo.
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  Speaker 3: I was setting in probably leather pants, thinking there might
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  Speaker 3: be some kind of a party on the warehouse floor
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  Speaker 3: in El Segundo. No lie shrink wrapping cassettes and albums
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  Speaker 3: in a line with my band on a cold out table.
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  Speaker 3: That's I'm not making that up. We were an independent
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  Speaker 3: record and then we went in in our first video.
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  Speaker 3: We put the money together for Cry Tough and Talk
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  Speaker 3: Dirty to Me, and we went in there and Talk
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  Speaker 3: Dirty to Me became a top ten single, and we
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  Speaker 3: were the first independent band to sell over three million. Guy,
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  Speaker 3: it was unheard of, like most independent bands sell ten thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Back in the day when it was actual product. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean. But my work method for everything
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  Speaker 3: everything is have fun, get it done, have passion, purpose
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  Speaker 3: and take care of people. That's it. And make sure
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  Speaker 3: again profit. Don't ever be embarrassed to make a profit
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  Speaker 3: at what you do. You're kicking ass h. No, I'm
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: just saying I'm sorry, I'm spitting it out, but it's
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: not close to my heart. It's what happens to so
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: many bands. An example, if you think about looking at
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: an arena and you get an offer, what you got
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: to look at as the GP. So you're looking at
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: the gross potential of what that building holds a sell
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: out and I'm thinking, well, if they're booking me in
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: this size of a building, hedding on being a sellout.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: So I take a guarantee versus the back end of
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: the deal so that everyone has skin in the game.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: If you don't have people with skin in the game,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: they don't need to do anything. There's no if ten
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: people show up, they made money because there's no skin
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: in the game. And so you want people to be
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: invested both yourself. You've got to make good partnerships with
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: the promoters.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: But is there I guess the question I'm asking you
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: is like so if I was doing this, I know
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get a gate, but I wouldn't know. Hey,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I could create an energy drink and sell it or
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: a water or how much do I get from shirts
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: who are like, hey, you're not going to produce the shirts.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to produce the shirts. I guess how did
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: you educate yourself on all that other part of the business?
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: This sounds strange, very simple. I have a quick learning curve,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: so I only got to get sucker punched and jaw
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: wat learn burn once and I'm learned. I call it.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I'm learned. I just I said, wait a minute, why
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: don't I just giving me a small advance against my
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: own shirts and image and likeness. I'm like, why don't
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I just take to bet on my again? I know
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: it's a generic term, but it's really true, bet on yourself.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: So I bet on me. There was no big advance,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: but it paid three hundred times that owning. When you
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: own your content as much as you can, that's anyone
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: will tell you. Content is king.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Relationships are everything too, so everything right for everything. Who
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: was the best rocker for business advice when you were
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: coming up?
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: So, honest to God, are you ready for this. One
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: of the best. As I was breaking into the business,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: one of the best piece of advice I ever got
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: was from my friend E Sneyer. He's like, look, I've
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: been through the highs the lows his album that come
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: out before ours, you know, and he just said, here's
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: some great things to do, and here here's some things
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: you don't want to do, and he had to live them.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I had to live them, and it was some of
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: the best advice ever. And I got to give credit
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: to the members of Poison as well as my solo band,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: you know, PD my guitar and my music directory is
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: our buddy, but smart business guy. But when we hit
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: that stage, we are hell on fire. Like we every
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: bit of my love, every bit of my anger, passion.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I've been a listen. I'm a pink human pin cushion.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I have over a million injections, five shots and days
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: since I've been six. And I take that pent up,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: crazy anger, a little touch of you know, ADHD. I
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: take all that stuff and when I get that ability
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: to go on stage, the most important thing I could
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: tell you is I am forever grateful, forever I look out.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I'm a fan of music, and I look out at
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: the indie, eighty five thousand people rocket in the heat, partying,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: and there's not one moment out one second that I'm
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: not grateful for every person there. And I'm a fan.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: So I brought all American rejects in their entire family
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: out on stage with me, where Bill skipped out. By
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: the way, I had a whole congo set up, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: all she had to do was put on that leather
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: thong we asked him to wear.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no thanks.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: He turned it down. I couldn't believe it.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So this is why I'm gonna tell you a story
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: of that a legend affected me. And that's why I
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: kind of went, I'm gonna tell you this story. And
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: see it's another and he's a legend, but you have
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: another like icon that man. This happened one day and
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: he said this. So the guy who got me to
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: be an NFL insider, see you throughout America is running
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: That's who. By the way, I don't think you ever
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: told you the story. You haven't, so let me say this,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: but one of the best to ever do it, one
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: of the most dedicated, but go pleeple.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: One of the one of the most feared defenders of
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: all time ever, you know, Hall of Famer for the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: forty nine ers. I didn't work a run. I was
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: just fronts of them. And Ronnie came to me in
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: two thousand and two or three two and said, Jay,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: you have what people want. They want information, so back
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: then they weren't and a FORLL insigners there was you know,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the Internet had just kind of come out a few
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: years earlier, and I was the first minute, five minute
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: breaking news down in this country with a guy named
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Lynn Pascarelli and Chris Mortensen and John Clayton. But he says,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: what you should do. Have your agent because I was
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: working at CBS, but I was behind the scenes and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: they would come on the NFL today a CBS say, oh,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Jay Glazer has broken this and this it is our
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: inside of Jay Glazer is reporting this. Jumn answers say that.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: But I would break stuff on the internet. He said,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: have your agent call fifty of the top markets in America.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Offer up. You go to a studio every Tuesday or Wednesday, Monday,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: whatever and offer up to be their NFL insider for
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: their team or that market. So Atlanta, Saint Louis Los Angeles,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Oh Clinton, New York, Philly hits for all of it
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: and charging five hundred bucks a clip. And back then
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I was making nothing and it was Ronnie's idea, and
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I believe we got twenty markets each week. Five hundred
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: dollars was a clip. The crazy part was they were
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: all Fox markets, every.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Fox station's that's all Fox Sports Net.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Doing best dance sports show period, even though I was
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: working for CBS. But CBS doesn't put me on the air,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: so that Fox saw me. Ronnie Law. I owe my
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: career to Ronnie Law. So do you have a story
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: that's kind of like that where, oh my god, Rock
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Icon had told you this.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So again, I want to say this because one
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: of the probably greatest people in my life, who has
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: since passed away, was of all the people, see, I
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: know you're looking for the eye because in musician world,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: it's a it's a different thing than having someone sit
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: down there. There's not a lot of mentoring. I'm one
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: of the few people that once I work with every
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: young band, I want nothing from them. So but what
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: happened was is there was a manager's name was Howard Kaufman, right,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: and he worked with irving as off and we went in.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: We met different management to partner with us, and he
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: was the best. He was a diabetic like myself, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: he couldn't have been more straightforward, more honest, told me
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: what to watch out for, what to do, what not
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: to do. He would tell you, Brett out know what
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: you read. Because I'm excited. I'm a musician. I'm like,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I want to fucking play right, I'm like, I want
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: to go play music. And he said, just yes, that
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: will happen. Take a breath, because this contract you're about
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to sign, you have to sell five hundred million records
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: to make thirty eight cents like this contry. Look at
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: these back pains. It was real. I was blessed like
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: you o' ronnie, you know what I mean? At the
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: farm print, yes, look at and he he watched out
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: and he never ever ever stepped in. He wasn't a
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: step in front of the mic. Guy, He wasn't I
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: need to be on stage. He said, this is what
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: you do. But he gave great advice to all the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: members of Poison and myself and to this day, the
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: last I won't get emotional on you like I did
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: last time. But at his funeral was me and Steven
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Tyler where the last to stand over his grave and
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: laid the dirt on it. You know what I mean,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: the last to shovel. I know that sounds, but I
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: was waiting until everyone. I wasn't going till and Steven
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: said I'm not going either, and he would tell you
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: that story. We stood there and just sprinkled the last
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: bit of dirt on it. Because he'd helped Aerosmith with
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: some great stuff, too interesting.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: He said, there's not a lot of mentor, but you
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: do give me your top piece of advice for aspiring.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Perform Number one, top piece of advice more than any
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: other thing, I repeat over and over when I say
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: bet on yourself. No one is going to believe in
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Jay Glazer until Jay Glazer believes in Jay Glazer. No
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: one's going to believe in Brett Michaels until Brett Michaels
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: believes it. And then when you bet on yourself, you
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: can adjust and adapt to anything. Number Two, there's a
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: couple got to go with it. So if you don't
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: have the passion for what you're doing in the music business,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: you're screwed. You know what I mean, You're just you're
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: you're ready on a bad path, right. Same with sports.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I mean sports is you know, sports has saved my life.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: So and I can say this, the most important thing
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: in the end, so that you're never bitter, never bitter,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: don't carry that with you is have fun, surround yourself
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: with great people and get it done. You got like
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: when we met, we instantly knew there was this awesome
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: friendship and connection that went beyond words. We were great friends.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: We've been to highs and lows. And I think that
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: that's surrounding yourself with great people. It takes a village,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: it takes a team. You know, you don't have someone
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: blocking for you on the line as a quarterback, You're
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: not going to last long in the NFL.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I think what separates you, man, is that look. In
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: order for you to be a star, you gotta be selfish.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And you were the most selfless dude. I know it
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: self lists you cared so much about folks. Let me
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: tell you what he did. So I throw those little
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Blazer plus at my house. He calls it Jame Beliza.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: It was awesome. It was awesome, It was big.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: And Brett goes and gets the phone number every single
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: person was there, including the people who are cleaning up.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: We are hard to like clean the place up their
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: cell phones and texting every one of them, thanking them
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: for showing up to my party, not even his for
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: listening to him a three songs. That's just not normal
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: in a day and age when hurt people hurt people,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and everybody's so damn hurt because of social media, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: people ask about our relationship. And this is why having
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: a guy like Brett, no matter where you are, no
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: matter how gray I am, no matter how dark I'm stuck,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: you shine that blue light through to everybody, and you
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: didn't need a thing for me or anybody there. And
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I've seen it over and over and over and over.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: It was just that authenticity. So if I can give
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: advice to any aspiring performer out there, it's that authenticity
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: that Brett has. Gratitude, be grateful to people. And I know, look,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it's easy for me to say because I've been a
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: dick and I've been in an asshole and I just,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: you know, get caught up. And I told my wife Rosie,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I want to learn from Brett. I want to be
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: more like Brett.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: You're gonna make you're trying to make me cry. Aren't
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: you you're doing You're about to do it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I got misty for it, Derem mc bryan.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: That goes I'm gonna say this now, Jay, thank you,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: and that every bit of that goes back to you.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: We were a brother now but we and I tell you,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I say this to everybody, say to my kids, to
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: my daughters. I said, please be whatever it takes, find
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: a way to be grateful. And I'm talking you and
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: me have taken some hits. We've been thrown some some
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: sucker punches. I've been sucker punched, a stabbed in the back,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: and it takes a lot to stay not bitter. I
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: state my piece. I know the people in my life
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: that I need to let go, and I know the
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: people I want to stay. But coming to your party,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: you threw the best damn party. I was grateful to
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: be there. I got to I whipped out that guitar
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: on that crazy driveway, climbed the hill, brought that guitar in,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: and we listened to some of the best at a
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: key singing in history. And it was the only person
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: that sang more out of key at a lacrosse game
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: in San Diego was Drew Brees right, Yes, I got
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna send that to you. It's he's the best,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: and he really is passionate about it, and he's knocking
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: it out little every rowse as it's thorn, and it
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: was I'm like, man, that that took it to a
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: whole new level of awesome.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Man. Look, I know you're on the road here. I'm
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: gonna let you go here. But before I let you go,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I do have to tell people he's a rock star,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the most rock story thing I've ever heard from you ever.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Uh oh, tell them what your daughter's job was, Rain,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: when she was like eight nine years old at your conference.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Uh oh, you mean grabbing the brawls from the stage.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: You can't make Rains like that. You don't think this
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: hasn't messed me up for now that the therapy build
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: for that, which I thought was hilarious after a few drinks,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I'm like Rain, listen, collect all the brawls off the stage.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I'm not a bad dad. Jay. You got to tell him,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I'm a My daughter now when I come to your parties,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: has to draw I'm me home.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, she does lie right, that's my fault, that's my fault. Right,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: you're bad, my bad.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: But Raid's job. But she's eight or nine years she
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: was telling me, she goes. My job is to go
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: pick up my bras and undies on the stage. One
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Dad will perform like I did not make her. I
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: need to go in record second, here go on records.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: They what I'm going on record to say I did
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: not make her or tell her to do that? She
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: hold on here, I got a low power. That's my
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: life story right there, mid old, my finest speech, and
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: my batteries about to die. But and by the way,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: this shirt I am tubing in the yellow Breeches Creek Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: That's why these things. I'm literally floating.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: What does that have to do with the bras and
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the undies? Get back, get back?
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: You know I have a d Yeah, yeah, all right,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I'm back, squirrel. No, I'm back the uh so anyway, yes,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Raine jobs, She's like Dad. As she got older, I
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: collected brawls and panties and crazy people jumping up on
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: the stage and then your crew would move them over
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: to the side. I never threw anyone out. So crazy
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: people get up party and then they're like party. She goes, Dad,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: they're partying with me, trying to get me. I go,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I didn't make you do any of that. I want
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: to go on record. I did not make her collect
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: the brawl.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Rain is as straight and arrow as you get. So
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: it worked. You scanned her straight, is what happened.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: That's exactly why I meant to do it. I'm a
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: good dad.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I snore father the decade.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Here here, Brett, I know you performed.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Brother. I appreciate you joining me, dude. I love you
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: with all my partner. I appreciate you giving us an
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: inside look on what it's like of the business of
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: music and being a rock star.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jay, I love you. It's right here. I'm just
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: telling you and uh and please just I'll see you
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: back soon, very soon. I'll bring rain in them to
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: drive us back, and we're about to slow down.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I love Brett Michaels, I love you only. I love
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a brother, Love everybody,