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[SPEAKER_03]: The way it's going, anybody can be the steam.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anybody, he doesn't look like he has the capacity to truly get Man United out of this hole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If Kirk was to leave, there's only literally one sensible option.
0:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He's laughing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was going to get Antonio Guantefes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just say, as a city of who has been hated even before these charges came out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A large part of Premier League fans have looked at city as the lesser of evils when it comes to rooting for who wins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's no evils.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lots of you are there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's the first time I ever heard him say lots of you on this show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is porcelain-lustrated food book club, your food book show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, porcelain-lustrated, I'm Alessandra Remedi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as always, as every week, we're here today, they're a bit sad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because much as they united us, struggling, you vent us, probably.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same, liais, buzidi, how are we liais?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get on it, let's get on it, I don't want to talk about the football, I don't want to talk about the players.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to get this podcast over and go back to see me.
1:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to bad mood right now, Alexander.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a football club right now that's causing me a lot of pain, a lot of heartache and it's affecting my mental health right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to bad place right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Man United are killing me right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Luca, surprisingly, life looked easier when we were in New York in the summer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't really have a mis-international football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a good time international break, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the first time ever I wanted to go back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yes, I'm struggling a little bit, but I don't want the majority of the table to be depressed today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to try and stay as positive as possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So 66.6, recurring percent of us are happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Robert didn't win either, huh?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's what I don't know, Mullen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but Paul Guy, a big guy, come on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was followed twice, he went on a take-in, exaggerating a bit of kung fu and regal, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, we saw no incident.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, we saw it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We used to feel less table wheelers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We saw it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, my team, my team Saloise, are you on as well?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they actually didn't win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I picked the random kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, what a selection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't buy a win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, uh, Luca, anything good from the week and expect, except for you enters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're cooking food?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because I was ill last week, as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was recovering this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So genuinely, I had a bad week, really bad week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't get a podcast this week, guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, but we're not good for this part guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're watching us for the first time Is not always like this, so please eat the subscribe button ring the bell whatever you want If you're listening to us on Spotify keep doing it if you're watching our off on a site TV wow lucky you Let's start from you What I wanted to say?
2:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me start with this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I didn't know the team, I'd probably be thinking, wow, Tottenham Hot Spurs are ahead of Manchester United in their process.
3:01
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't want to talk about the game that's happening yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Liverpool were a city.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I start with you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You want to start of United?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's rip the bandaid off, guys.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're right, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you didn't know, if you woke up from a coma yesterday and watched that game for the first time, and I told you one team has zero wins this season, bottom of the league.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You would have said it's man United.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You would never think Spurs are in the situation that they're in, but this is what happens when you play Man United right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody looks like a competent team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We played full of them the other week and they absolutely bought us off the park.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Go look at the Premier League table, we're full of them are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Last in the league.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Spurs entered this game last in the league and low and behold, we made a Roberto de Zerby look at tactical genius.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a really dark period for Man United right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They can't buy a win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The football is too good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Players are out of form.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The stadium is booing and it's only going to get worse because you look at the last 10 games on paper and it's hard to see a win.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're looking at leads United away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These just went told at the table with Arsenal and they're in a really good form this season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We travel to Atlético Madrid in midweek.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Atlético are second in the league right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they've lost that whole more season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There are four game winning run.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We go to Liverpool, we have to play Chelsea, we have to play Roma, soon in the Champions League, we have to play Bayern, Astinville, Newcastle, Brentford.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't see where Man United picks up wins right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The mood is so low, I look at Karik, he's on the touch line, hands in his pocket, it's the whole time, no expression on his face.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He thinks he's currently launching a lot of these closer to David Day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where a win is coming, bro.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a really dark time right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what was surprising, Luca was at the end of the game, you could see Carrick shaking, he said, like if he has no responsibility for this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Carrick definitely has a part to blame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've spoken a lot about Manunites transfer strategy in the summer of the board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many issues there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the biggest issue with Manunites, they look so miles off the level at which is required in terms of fitness.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you look at that game there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: they were walking around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tottenham were playing around them like they had all the time and space in the world and look, our league gets cooked quite a bit when it comes to spaces in behind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there were moments in that game where, genuinely, if you just screenshot it at a couple different filters on it, you would have thought that was a set of yout on the Bundesliga times, with the amount of space there was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's worrying when players aren't pressing, they're making sloppy passes, making sloppy mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not even covering ground, and Tottenham made that game look so easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was genuinely for me one of the worst performances I've seen from your night in my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we say this like three times a season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I go into every year, in three times a year, I say, that's one of the worst 45 minutes of football I've seen, and I had played at Stensport, Sir Alex.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if I'm saying this, but I've said this so many times now, like every year we have like three new contenders to add to the list.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, the first 45 minutes, how we got away of out being for Nildon, it's a miracle, it's a miracle from above.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's actually, it's even more of a miracle that we went up one million this game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's complete snatch and grab.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't deserve that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So at the end, we go out, they go out on the 10 men, you're thinking, maybe Man United can learn this time, maybe they can, they can hold out a lead against 10 men.
6:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the same story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Sandra Martinez trying to wrestle with a guy twice the size.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's, it's, it's concerning right now too because the things you're mentioning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think effort comes into it because I look at a lot of United players and I think their effort levels can be questioned.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the fitness levels are joke right now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you look at all the physical metrics in the Premier League, Man United ranked damn near bottom at every single one of them, they're so unfit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Clearly not enough attention was put into that in preseason because every game they're getting run off the park.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The reason there's so much space, Man United aren't able to close the spaces.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the biggest you right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, save the date, because we already know when Manchester United are going to come back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Manchester United, Roma, Trafford, you have PTSD, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: See, that appears the problem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no Christian or not all of this time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no win, really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not even Paul Pongbor, Kavanaugh.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, the trust me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You're on the safe right you're like you're not getting me by magnetic at the season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I promise you wrong moment at the moment The way it's going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if man and I have a different manager at that point who knows the way it's going anybody can be the same Any body you go put a team of the championship or I want to reproduce Southampton fan.
7:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I promise you since come to Old Trafford We will give you something to smile about
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're heading out three points for Fauna, no.
7:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Since you mentioned Sultan to shout out to Ben behind the door behind the door behind the door.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there was some marries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted them to be against pause mouth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What a day, a big day for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Luca, ask for spurs.
7:21
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of Roberto de Zéby bringing the team to Mabeia before he died after the game?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess coming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What happened?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the decline to Mabeia, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Completely changed the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving them a little bit of a...
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be giving the mood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, the same old issue with Tottenham is they can't bury their chances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they should have been falling apart half-time and, lightly as said, it was a miracle that United went one nail-up, but I will give Tottenham credit for even when they went down the ten-man to press United back, to be front-footed, to be positive, because granted United,
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[SPEAKER_03]: We said that often.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How can you give them credit for going to credit?
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[SPEAKER_03]: If we give you the bot and you keep pumping it down the pitch.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's a trading company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get you're not at a to blame as well in that situation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not giving a 10 men team any credit for coming back into the game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The team of 11 men has to be criticized more than the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give Tottenham credit because that is a Tottenham team that I mentally shattered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have been destroyed mentally over the course of the last one eight odd months this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a Tottenham side that at the end of the last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Won't have been able to get back into that game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have to, you have to look at a board and think, fairly, okay, you're not that it's a blame in that situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're happy to see that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've got to understand, I would understand, if it wasn't a team that had shown you three separate times in the last 12 months, that they won a love in versus 10, not even when they were down in the game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were winning or drawing the game when the other team got 10.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everton, Newcastle, and Manchester City.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every single one of those occasions, the same thing is happening, mad at our retreating, and the other team suddenly has the mentality to come, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When it happens four times in a row now, I'm sorry, you got to look at the consistent here.
9:15
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're neither a big problem in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're the bigger issue here than spurs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you were to do a percentage, maybe that does that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you still have to give credit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not 100% united.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even if you were to balance it, I give them 10% credit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think that's going to be a problem.
9:28
[SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to Tottenham, I'll have the ever been mentality monster.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're coming up against worst mentality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They beat many out of their weekly final.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The same group of players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a go now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the same group of players.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maguire, Bruno, Luke, Shaw, Dahl, but this is the same core man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're from mentality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, spurs of a shit mentality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you're coming up against Man United, who are the biggest mentality in the league at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are, but you have to still give credit to talking about my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For not scoring, but that is a Tottenham slide that, in my opinion, at the end of the last season, would not have walked away from a point in our game, despite the fact that they were the better team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They came and did the same thing against the last season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were up one-nil, and in the last ten minutes of the game, they came back and scored two.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They did the same thing last season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Many of them are the constant here, but trust me.
10:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand where you're coming from with Spurs, but we're looking at something of a man in that is so scarcely believable that it, again, I understand what you don't understand it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But when I see you're seeing it weekend, we get with this group.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, I struggle to give Spurs credit here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When they're just the latest character, the constant is united here now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: will spurs season start after getting this point and a boost of confidence against Manchester United, whatever the situation of your opponent is going to be start against the commentary home next week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So massive game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a must-wing game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to pick up three points there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they don't, then there's going to be a lot of worrying conversations around team around the manager.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But in my opinion over the last few games, I've seen a lot of positive signs from Tottenham.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think
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[SPEAKER_01]: that in as dire situations, Manchester United right now, even though the table says differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, I think we've seen a lot of positive signs against Villa for example, that first half they're incredible, same old story, they're not bearing their chances, which naturally is a problem, but I think that'll get ironed out with players coming back into the team, with injuries returning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not massively worried with Tottenham, I think United are more on a detrimental spiral.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The reason for it is because Spurs are a better coach than men than I did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the reality.
11:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Zerbe is a flawed coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's a lead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's very talented coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think there's too many things with his personality that I think will stop him from reverting the top.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the fact is when you come to prepare and get team, setting out a team to go out and play, you trust the Zerbe over Michael Carrick a thousand times.
11:22
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I grew of Luca.
11:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Spurs eventually, the...
11:25
[SPEAKER_03]: The results they've had have been bad, but the performance has haven't been as bad as Man United's.
11:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Man United, when they draw loose games are awful, spurs, when they draw loose games for the most part, it's a lack of quality.
11:34
[SPEAKER_03]: You look at this game, they should have been up for a nil.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My worry is, I don't think they'll play as many teams as bad as Man United, so I do think you have to still be careful.
11:41
[SPEAKER_03]: They got some tough games coming up, but I do think overall the results will probably average out and spurs will probably finish around 7th or 8th.
11:47
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the meaning of the table?
11:48
[SPEAKER_02]: It was Michael Carrick situationally, and so many weeks would you give to him to him?
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[SPEAKER_03]: to try me or the club because me I think I'm over him and I think I'm done.
11:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I do I hate to say it because I really wish he would have succeeded but at the moment he's proven every single doubter and hater of his correct right he doesn't look like he has the capacity to truly get many and I know this whole if you can't beat the zirby spurs or arbaloa's pholem what hope do you have now against m resust in villa or uh yeah slurs new castle what hope do you have
12:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the most worrying thing is, like you said earlier, it's the preparation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even from a tactical point of view, of course you can criticize that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But these players aren't fit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How can you enter a league season than the most athletic physical league in the world with the majority of them players being on fit, ranking low in, like you said, most of the physical metrics, total sprints, they rank 20.
12:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not normal for a club like Manchester United.
12:39
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think, if Kirk was to leave, there's only literally one sensible option.
12:44
[SPEAKER_01]: He's laughing, he's taking care of it.
12:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not thinking like, I just- You know, you know.
12:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I've avoided content for so many years.
12:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, content is always the name when Man United fires a coach.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Could content come and take the job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know Konte, it looks at 99 like food.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's looking at it like fresh meat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I dare you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They made me want that coach available right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And from your fitness, no, no, no, Konte will come in here.
13:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And he will lift these guys in the behind, 100%.
13:07
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just funny to me because it was the case with Aldi.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When we fired him, it was the case with Ten Hag.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the case with Amrim.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And his content is always just lurking in the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's inevitable, man.
13:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And brace your destiny.
13:17
[SPEAKER_03]: We've avoided it for so long, but we can't for any longer, right?
13:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: a few weeks ago, 10 days ago, he gave an interview then.
13:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's not it, that he didn't say you, it is a, I would say, I'd ask inspiration to take over a fallen Zion area.
13:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Even if he's looking at Michael Carrick, like fresh food, man.
13:32
[SPEAKER_03]: He knows he's not there for a long, man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, it's like, Conte, United looks at him like the devil, man.
13:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Because they know that kind of personality in the room of inils, and the flames.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But eventually, you can only keep denying it for so long.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna end up happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's gonna end up working, it probably won't, but I'm sure it'll happen.
13:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Manchester United, you went to Sweranto, and you couldn't.
13:51
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to see it, let us know in the comments, and we go to Anfield, because there was a warm welcome to Manchester City.
13:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at it.
13:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, very hostile atmosphere at the start of the game and build up with the protests, the banas, the chance, all of that stuff.
14:06
[SPEAKER_01]: But the game just felt weird for me.
14:07
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm being completely honest, I just, I think the longer this drags out without city's punishment being decided by the Premier League, the less the, the lower the credibility of the league becomes and the biggest, the bigger the issues are in my opinion, because
14:24
[SPEAKER_01]: that game there.
14:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't feel right.
14:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't, I can't really put my finger on it, but it just, it felt wrong that even happened in such.
14:31
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the game itself, I thought it was a pretty even game for the first 60 minutes or four over and maybe you'd edge it to Liverpool, better team.
14:38
[SPEAKER_01]: They just couldn't take their chances.
14:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reality is, the three goal scorer's that punished Liverpool with a difference.
14:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You look at Liverpool's front four.
14:45
[SPEAKER_01]: They lack that quality.
14:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I grabbed, granted they had injuries like E-SAC, so Bosla was out, Gappo was out.
14:51
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, City's quality was just too much.
14:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the red card definitely changed the title of the game and I actually thought... Was it to soft?
14:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the first yellow wasn't even a far from being completely honest.
15:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely, I think it was really soft to think Anderson knows what he's doing.
15:05
[SPEAKER_01]: He's losing possession he falls down.
15:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Smart, but I don't think that was the yellow.
15:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the second one was a yellow objectively speaking, but I don't think the first one was so I think it was soft.
15:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
15:14
[SPEAKER_02]: The first one looked like serial days, you know.
15:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Losing the bull and try to get your fault.
15:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I go a lot of what Lucas said.
15:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think the depth on the display was the real difference maker here.
15:27
[SPEAKER_03]: One team has injuries to ease that can gack point at Kiteke and their solutions are of all to respect the young kid and cool master, right?
15:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Is relatively unproven at this level.
15:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas, master's to city, I mean, the options on the bench are ridiculous.
15:38
[SPEAKER_03]: You start with Injai in Semenio, and when you want to change a game, you bring on Alan and and, uh, Kentucky with this, it's, that's a difference, man.
15:46
[SPEAKER_03]: Food is not even available for this game, right?
15:48
[SPEAKER_03]: So,
15:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the real difference maker here.
15:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I do think I honestly, if Liverpool had Isaac Gakpo, I could take a available, it's hypothetical, but I do think they would have won that game.
15:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think you look at the five ten minutes preceding the goal immediately.
16:00
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think Liverpool were really on the ascendancy.
16:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Gravenbergs was getting some shots off.
16:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Virts was finding himself in the interest positions.
16:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, nothing came out of it.
16:06
[SPEAKER_03]: But in terms of threat, I felt Liverpool in that game.
16:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And the red card, when you go 10 vs 11 against a team of the quality of Master City, it's very, very difficult.
16:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that Illyutama's son has already replays Rotary in the mentality for me to line up?
16:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do.
16:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Elliot Anderson is amazing.
16:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's one of the best players in his position in the game at the moment.
16:25
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know it's early days at City, right?
16:27
[SPEAKER_03]: He hasn't proven himself over a large period of time, but I think when you're looking up performances and quality,
16:32
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy's unbelievable man.
16:33
[SPEAKER_03]: He gues the defensive side of the game so down to a T, his tackling his intensity that he plays with.
16:38
[SPEAKER_03]: There is one crunching tackle yet on the verge on the edge of his own box where you're just looking at it and like this is an enforcer.
16:43
[SPEAKER_03]: But then you look at the quality on the ball too.
16:44
[SPEAKER_03]: His ability to pass the play between the lines, find passes at different levels, get himself out of pressure.
16:49
[SPEAKER_03]: You're looking at one of the more complete players in the Premier League in that position.
16:51
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it'll only be a matter of time until we're looking at him in those conversations with the best sixes and eightes in in world football.
16:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's in there, I don't know, I think he's one of the best sixes in the world, I think he's a elite.
17:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you look at the metrics, like Leah said yesterday, so complete from an overall point of view, he had the most recoveries, most tackles, but also most big chances created in that game.
17:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is the perfect Roger replacement and there was a whole question mark did they overpay?
17:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they did, but the reality is, why wouldn't you spend extra to get the best or one of the best players in the world in that position that's been half the money and get someone
17:28
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, fill the void to a 60% rather than someone that would fill the void to close the 100% and the Anderson is top-classman filled.
17:35
[SPEAKER_03]: If we accept that the market is crazy, we can all accept that, right?
17:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Elliott Anderson, relative to the market, was not overpay.
17:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Because when you're looking at how much tonali is going for, my tip is Fernandez is going for that level.
17:49
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, Elliott Anderson, it for me is much better than all of those guys.
17:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not pay an extra 40 million tickets?
17:53
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't pay or extra 40 million.
17:54
[SPEAKER_03]: How much did he cost?
17:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Tomali cost 95, Fernandez was 85.
18:01
[SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't 40 million pounds more than Tomali, but I do think he's a much better player than both him and Mateo's Fernandez.
18:06
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're gonna spend that much for him, I look at Anderson and that's value for money in my opinion.
18:12
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the way I look at it.
18:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's already paid his strategy.
18:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and now of course I have to talk about the mentality of Manchester City players because he was in an easy week, an easy man probably for them,
18:27
[SPEAKER_03]: the whole country was waiting for them and they show the right mentality probably they're going to fight until the end and then I think I think a lot was made about how Enfield was going to be super hostile and how the entire league is against them and honestly it probably had the inverse effect that everyone wanted I think all of the noise and all of the the finger pointing and I think it's probably unified that club right rightly or wrongly whether you think city fans were shameless for what they did this week or city city players were
18:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever you think, it is very clear that this whole situation has galvanized them, and they have formed the siege mentality, and it's clear that now for them, us against the world.
19:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes, rightly or wrongly, that can really create a very difficult environment to be.
19:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Joe's Immorino was the best at creating that.
19:11
[SPEAKER_03]: So he did it in a different way.
19:13
[SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't using 150 allegations to create that, right?
19:16
[SPEAKER_03]: But he almost made it like, well, I want you guys to make us the villains.
19:19
[SPEAKER_03]: You think we're villains?
19:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we'll embrace that and it made the one of the ugliest toughest teams to play against.
19:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think you will see something similar with city.
19:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, hey, an anger is a very useful drive-in factor to succeed in anything and I think Manchester City has a club and the players will use that to benefit them.
19:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they were massively affected by this from a mental point of view, these at the top-level professionals.
19:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if anything, it just gave them a boost and you saw, like, when Holland scored, he's just laughing.
19:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, these are players that frive of that pressure, frive of that anger.
19:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, City, let's just say, as a city of always been hated even before these charges came out.
19:50
[SPEAKER_01]: People this like city because they were constantly winning.
19:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think it's alien to that.
19:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to lie, bro.
19:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to leave such a cheers for them to win the league every year because they don't want their rivals to win.
19:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I think city hate is over.
20:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I think right now the whole country hates them, but people dislike them.
20:04
[SPEAKER_01]: People dislike their rise to the top, definitely, because I think it disrupted the top teams.
20:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I hear that.
20:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they got used to it over time.
20:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Man United fans, I know so many United fans are cheering for city every year to win the league over Liverpool.
20:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I know so many United fans are cheering for city to win the league over Arsenal.
20:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's because you got used to their dominance.
20:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Even when they were not, I hear that, but at the same time, too, I don't think anyone has really, okay, I don't say everyone, but I think a large part of Permanent League fans have looked at City as the lesser of evils when it comes to rooting for who wins.
20:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's no evils.
20:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I hear that because you don't like City.
20:35
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a, it's just a, yeah, I think Arsenal were more hated than City over the last few years.
20:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, winning.
20:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And they did all sorts of people.
20:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And people, this, like, Austin's fan base more than my City fan, that's a lot.
20:45
[SPEAKER_03]: But, okay, but that goes into what I'm saying here, right?
20:46
[SPEAKER_03]: No one, for the most part, has really been bothered when City won titles, because it doesn't affect them, right?
20:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's what I mean when I say hate it.
20:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I've been able to arsenal where more hate it.
20:55
[SPEAKER_03]: If Man United ever start winning, if it ever happens.
20:57
[SPEAKER_03]: If they ever start winning titles ever again, you'll see hatred for me.
21:00
[SPEAKER_03]: City, I think it's been like, it would don't like them, and we don't really rate the way they've risen to the top, but it doesn't really, it doesn't incite hate in me, right?
21:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think it's more deacceptance.
21:11
[SPEAKER_01]: That was why.
21:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
21:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the way I saw it.
21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was just a grave of funds except you know what city are the best they've risen to the top that dominate is bad that city continue to win Then say awesome.
21:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people were like that the only night were winning three in a row.
21:22
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but that was a different era as well
21:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're not and you're not in a matchley more hate to just because it's that's a sorry Think too much talk on this.
21:31
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's you have to take your your time by the It's normally happens you need to live with you went many fans of course men people hate you Ventus if almost not winning 10 leagues in a row I don't think com all have the same hatred of the time Many many many many fans you need to let you set for interfans.
21:45
[SPEAKER_02]: They the rather you went to Zwining because he's the status if you went to Zwine is normal
21:50
[SPEAKER_02]: If now probably start winning, then it's going to be moving.
21:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
21:53
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fair enough.
21:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Either you like CT or you don't write in Cherokee.
21:58
[SPEAKER_02]: What a beauty.
21:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Once again.
21:59
[SPEAKER_02]: One more time.
22:00
[SPEAKER_03]: It was an amazing goal.
22:02
[SPEAKER_03]: He showed levels for me with the other number 10 on the pitch.
22:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, I didn't think he had his greatest game.
22:06
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that moment right there just showcases the quality.
22:09
[SPEAKER_03]: These got generational quality in terms of being able to find solutions and type spaces.
22:13
[SPEAKER_03]: But I want to ask Luke our question.
22:15
[SPEAKER_03]: about Jeremy Dokew because last year we talked about Dokew.
22:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember what fixture it was, but we had a whole thing on Dokew and how good he was.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it during the World Cup, maybe?
22:22
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I was definitely for the end of the previous season.
22:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were talking about how good he was, but you said you're still taking Cananeal this over.
22:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's my guy man, of course.
22:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I choose Cananeal.
22:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but over friends, okay, we move friends to this side.
22:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Now we're talking about as a player.
22:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Doc is better at the minute, yeah.
22:36
[SPEAKER_03]: At the minute.
22:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Just right now.
22:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, check it out.
22:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, check it out.
22:40
[SPEAKER_02]: What's your team?
22:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's your redork.
22:41
[SPEAKER_03]: I think right now he's the best one you're in the league.
22:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's fine.
22:44
[SPEAKER_02]: People in the chart, what would you pick?
22:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I end this or join me, Doc?
22:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, now he's a sort of Robin status.
22:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always been a bit like, I don't want to discredit Docker from saying that I prefer kind of an over and because I've always been a big Docker fan and I remember, I don't know if I said this last time we spoke about, I remember Kelly when he went on the overlap, he was talking about Docker and he was talking about how frightening he was in year 2021 and how he said,
23:09
[SPEAKER_01]: He was struggled to go up against his new gym wingers that are ridiculously quit brilliantly.
23:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And people with this credit docket, maybe because of the numbers early on, but people forget how young he was when he came to the league.
23:19
[SPEAKER_01]: A, also just how effective he's become.
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, he's the top level player.
23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And I also thought it was a bit disrespectful when Barclay came to the league and people were saying he's automatically the best winger.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: or best left winger, I should say, in the Premier League discrediting Docker because in terms of chance creation, in terms of dribbles, he ranks in the 99%ile in the world.
23:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He's absolutely insane, he's so effective.
23:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I mean, when you arrive at a new league, you have to end it on the pitch and doco and it on the pitch and that's it.
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Vert's no uncomfortable conversations, big uncomfortable, the entire world is talking about it, right?
23:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not even like the old.
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm talking about uncomfortable conversations as you do, I sign in primitive history.
23:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Those kind of uncles are up on the social issues.
24:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I think if you were to end this permanently career today for whatever reason.
24:05
[SPEAKER_03]: He would rank extremely highly.
24:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Extremely, there's a few men in out of players and they don't get it twisted.
24:09
[SPEAKER_03]: For the process, right?
24:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Jayden Sancho, Jayden Sancho is up there.
24:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he might even be number one.
24:14
[SPEAKER_03]: But you'd have to save words right now.
24:16
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're looking at overall impact, money for value for money, he is, he's a shadow of his former self-man, honestly.
24:23
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the yesterday was probably the breaking point for a lot of Liverpool fans.
24:27
[SPEAKER_03]: When that moment, I don't know if you remember the one I'm talking about, but when he,
24:31
[SPEAKER_03]: had the opportunity to find Barcolla and Kirk as on the left-hand side.
24:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And he decided to shoot anyways, and you're seeing everyone lift their hands up in the whole stadium groaning.
24:37
[SPEAKER_03]: That felt like one of those breaking points, and as again, as someone who's seen a lot of clubs at my club, you can always tell when a player almost starts to lose the faith of a fan base.
24:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because it's like ultimately choices on the pitch are what makes you the elite player, or I know my play.
24:54
[SPEAKER_02]: It defines your status.
24:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but even you said earlier, Chucky didn't have the best performance, but he creates that moment of magic.
24:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all you want from our time.
25:00
[SPEAKER_03]: If that's his future, you're a moment like that.
25:01
[SPEAKER_01]: That's his future.
25:02
[SPEAKER_01]: All you want from offensive players.
25:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want consistency for out 90 minutes, because Holland's not in the game for 99% of that.
25:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But when he gets a chance, he puts the ball in back and a net.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you expect from your tenants, well, to create chances, to create an abundance of chances, to put the ball in the back and a net.
25:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And Verts is not a lead in any of them to realms, and he plays with a level of fear.
25:19
[SPEAKER_01]: He plays with a level of security.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's a ten.
25:22
[SPEAKER_01]: after if I'm being completely honest and I think when we saw him in Germany he's one of those players that needed a lot of touches of the ball to even impact the game in somewhat in the Premier League you don't get as much time as based on the ball.
25:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think he's quoted to the Premier League whatsoever.
25:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah but okay this is where now like you even have to look past just always he's creating because he's scoring his assisting because he's not even in the basics right then you see the moment in the first half where first touches going six yards in front of him that's where it starts getting really alarming because it's one thing if you're not scoring
25:51
[SPEAKER_03]: We have to stop asking, are you even, like, uh, Enzo Lafei level?
25:56
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what that's the conversation we need to start having here.
25:58
[SPEAKER_03]: When you start messing up the basics of play, that's where not only is quality in question, your confidence is just gone.
26:03
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's the situation in reverse.
26:05
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, after one pass through the line, against Empoly, Roma fans started with a banner, Liberté, Egalité, and Solefei.
26:14
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to Italy.
26:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Luca!
26:18
[SPEAKER_02]: goalless drawing, comoroma, you went to his drawing, million drawing, lots you are there.
26:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I didn't know you were allowed to say that word.
26:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we are, I mean, we are.
26:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots you are there.
26:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
26:29
[SPEAKER_03]: We wish them all the best for us.
26:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Do we wish them all of us?
26:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
26:30
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26:46
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27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, why couldn't they do it?
27:15
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it'd be poetic.
27:17
[SPEAKER_03]: You're thinking about, like, these guys are, like, barça-2011 men.
27:20
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're really good, and they're, I think, they're the best team pop.
27:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But to say, they're one of the four, the season's so relative to the quality in Italy.
27:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not comparing them to barça-2011 or barça-car in Italy.
27:28
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're, I don't think they're, they're the barça of this league.
27:30
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't, I don't look at it.
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they are the best team in Italy.
27:32
[SPEAKER_03]: So you think then, by the, you're logic, they should win the league by 10, 15 points.
27:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they can win a league by 10 points.
27:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they will, though.
27:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they can win.
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even that part of my game, it just showed the quality.
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: There were so many changes in that match from Kivu.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And they'll climb on a brilliant team, but they dismantled them.
27:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You look at the other teams, they dropped too many points.
27:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at Roa Manau.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Marlin's going to be suspended with the red cards, dealers out from month.
27:54
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a really tough set of fixtures coming up.
27:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Roma, good team, I think I'll finish second in the league, but I think there'll be a fairly healthy gap between the two coming into the season.
28:02
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not at the races to even challenge.
28:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Me and I aren't at the races to challenge.
28:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of you have started really well in all fairness to them, but I don't think they're sustainable challenges.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think into them in the league pretty comfortably, yeah.
28:13
[SPEAKER_03]: They have the most depth.
28:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's, I think that's what they make the league.
28:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the most quality as well, but it's not just that.
28:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they do have the best quality, look at the rest of the team that last season we were criticizing the way they play against every single big club, right?
28:23
[SPEAKER_03]: We were criticizing Inter's record against the top teams.
28:26
[SPEAKER_03]: This season, I watched them against Rome, I didn't see a huge gulf in quality compared to them and Rome.
28:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I think...
28:31
[SPEAKER_03]: But okay, yes, they're mentality monsters, that's another, I think what, in the last six or seven games, and if every time they go down to, no, they come back, fair enough.
28:41
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think when you're talking about a golfing quality, I think it would be much more representative in the matches against the top sides than it currently is.
28:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the depth is what separates them because against these smaller teams, they are able to make rotations.
28:52
[SPEAKER_03]: You are able to swap into a round of Esposito Esposito.
28:55
[SPEAKER_03]: If you take out Malon in the team, I don't even know who goes up front for Roma.
28:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Santiago Casas, what a strike.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But comfortably, intro of the Best Star 11 bro.
29:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's not even close.
29:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It's genuinely not close.
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Play it for play, they have the best team.
29:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And then... Best team I agree, the squad I agree, the best 11.
29:08
[SPEAKER_03]: They do.
29:09
[SPEAKER_03]: They do.
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were to build, just thought, the city I best 11, not even based on form, they would have a majority of the players.
29:15
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know what, Luca, we are not here to talk about Inter.
29:17
[SPEAKER_03]: OK. We are here to talk about the... See, guys, the Fleckdown is on my inter-inter-inter.
29:21
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't want to buy Inter, we're talking about UV.
29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, we want to talk about Iván's talk at a store.
29:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to talk about Juentos, what's happening?
29:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Another draw?
29:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we drew the quality.
29:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I let the audience know something, by the way?
29:31
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy had the cheek on Saturday night to put in our group's room, right?
29:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we have a chance.
29:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:35
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the cheek to talk in our chat, Paul.
29:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Alias has to go through another week of the scene.
29:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel so bad for him.
29:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually invited my target in answer, right?
29:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I checked full mava at around 8.9 p.m.
29:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I asked if they won 1-1.
29:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on man.
29:48
[SPEAKER_03]: We're the same, and I'm trying to tell you.
29:50
[SPEAKER_03]: We're the same.
29:51
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not too separate, Mianjo.
29:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're gonna shut the gun to us.
29:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I was gonna get done talking to you going to first.
29:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Odyssey, it's a race to sector manager first.
30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, two friends just got off to the same girl.
30:03
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the same girl.
30:03
[SPEAKER_03]: They were two clowns going up to the same circus.
30:05
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what's happening right now.
30:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, it was a day.
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't, uh, we played better than Caliere, but similar to Tottenham, we just couldn't take our chances.
30:14
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the reality.
30:15
[SPEAKER_01]: We shot ourselves in the for column one he had.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: a clear cut chance from two yards out to make it to one, he hit the bar, it was a really bad mess.
30:23
[SPEAKER_01]: To be further, Calieria, a good defensive side, statistically they have the best defensive in the setting out right now.
30:27
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of dealers on Red Hotform made nine saves against the last best shot saved percentage in the league, but we just missed our chance.
30:34
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a reality and yeah, it's very frustrating.
30:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Luciano Spaletti said, I'm not playing for results here, I'm playing for my career and I want to end it properly.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it's good that he's playing for himself if that's what he said, but I care about results like every event is fun, and I'm sure the board do.
30:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't stop the trouble.
30:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm playing for my career.
30:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, what does that mean to say my reputation?
30:56
[SPEAKER_03]: You're a severe reputation by winning games.
30:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, come on.
31:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care about the results.
31:01
[SPEAKER_03]: I care about the results and I'll keep my group.
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a player.
31:03
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't influence the game with gold.
31:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a bit of a bizarre, but just about the speed.
31:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It's part of the character.
31:09
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a point of the game.
31:10
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one word to put it out.
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll move on.
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll let the ass end up for the event.
31:17
[SPEAKER_02]: We in the game, you know what?
31:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's send it for your event, let's start with Lees, Lees, the floor is now yours.
31:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, my floor is yours, it's something that honestly, it was a big takeaway for me during the international break, but it's something I felt more and more as I've watched more football over the last season or two.
31:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's been this large voice in the football community, especially online, that there's a notion that the game has kind of gone in the direction that people don't really like.
31:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And for a while, I was definitely in that camp.
31:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I think
31:46
[SPEAKER_03]: maybe like for four seasons or so I was watching football and I really wasn't enjoying the direction it was going and I really felt that the game was growing far too tactical and it was always just tactics right?
31:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Football is a very complex sport tactics or a huge part of it but I felt it went in a direction where honestly it was more about the coaches and the systems and the individuals.
32:04
[SPEAKER_03]: right, the game wasn't about the players anymore as much as it used to be.
32:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it really hampered the product on the pitch.
32:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, teams are effective, but you weren't watching it, thinking the player to the protagonist.
32:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of the time I was watching players thinking, you're almost having your hand held by the system.
32:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And when the system doesn't work out, you guys have no idea how to create solutions out of your own.
32:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I really disliked where the game was going for a while.
32:24
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do look at the last two seasons or so.
32:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And I look at some of the players that have kind of emerged in football.
32:30
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think we're heading back to the direction, because I always believe the game is cyclical.
32:33
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think we're heading back to the direction where the players are really snatching the responsibility again and making it about themselves.
32:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And whether it's Michael Lise, whether it's Desire duet, whether it's Cherokee, whether it's La Migniamel, whether it's even a guy like Jeremy Doco coming on.
32:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I even look at the young crop of players coming up next, like a Max Dalman.
32:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're heading back in a direction where I think the game is healing.
32:54
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not that the game has gotten bad in the sense of the quality, like the games are so bad, like these teams aren't in good anymore, but in terms of entertainment, in terms of players wanting to take responsibility and change games through their own individual thinking, not having to have their hand held by tactics or by coaches.
33:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're heading back in a direction where the game has really become more enjoyable as a product.
33:13
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's really important because at the end of the day, football sports, sport is entertainment.
33:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Quality, entertainment, I'm happy.
33:19
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my floor is yours.
33:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, it's interesting that you said that because I've been listening to Seth Fabregas saying, at the start, under Antonio Comte, I couldn't understand the way of thinking about, is way of thinking about the game, because we were not on training.
33:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I gave a ball through.
33:36
[SPEAKER_02]: My team made scored.
33:37
[SPEAKER_02]: He came to me saying, no, this is wrong.
33:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
33:40
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but I, again, like football for me is always correcting itself.
33:43
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I said cyclical, right?
33:44
[SPEAKER_03]: So if something will happen and then someone will just do it and someone will just do it and I did think whether it was Guardiola or whether it was Quantay.
33:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever was going on, there was a huge emphasis on the system is the most important thing.
33:55
[SPEAKER_03]: And you guys have to fit into the system.
33:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, you don't have a place in my team.
33:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I think we're heading back in a direction where you got to build your system around your best players.
34:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think for fans, that's the best thing possible.
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we love the art.
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: We love the artists.
34:06
[SPEAKER_02]: We love the artists.
34:07
[SPEAKER_02]: We love the artists.
34:08
[SPEAKER_03]: This is, I want a French game the other day against Belgium, right?
34:11
[SPEAKER_03]: At one point, they had duet all these say in Cherokee on the pitch.
34:14
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the most fun I've had watching football in so long than.
34:17
[SPEAKER_03]: So long.
34:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Luca.
34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, it's yours, sir.
34:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to talk about Bruce Lee Dorman.
34:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they are the most confusing club for me in the world.
34:29
[SPEAKER_01]: They get a lot of...
34:31
[SPEAKER_01]: in my opinion leeway because of how likable they are and they're a likable site like no one really hates dormant unless maybe you're a mine fan or a rival fan right as a club I think genuinely guys we're talking about the Tottenham of Germany.
34:44
[SPEAKER_03]: The Tottenham of Germany, that's too far.
34:45
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, because they were in a Champions League final, like two, three season last minute.
34:49
[SPEAKER_03]: They lost, okay, well, it spursed, well, it's got relegated two years in a row.
34:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but away, that Champions League final, this was playing into it.
34:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Firstly, my point was, the verb, the Bremen game, because this happens continuously with Dortmund, where they're the better team, they dominate the whole game, they go two in a lap with five minutes to go, they can see it in the eighth minute and in the 90 second minute, their old play are full-crubs, scores they equalise.
35:10
[SPEAKER_01]: that is like the most Dortmund game ever, just like if that happens to Tottenham, we'd be saying that's the most Tottenham game ever.
35:16
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd go back a few years in the Champions League final, around what you were not brilliant in that 2024 final whatsoever.
35:21
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, Dortmund should have gone tune a lot there, chances were full crib there, chances were of other yummy.
35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the most Dortmund thing in the world to bottle moments like that, even the 2023.
35:29
[SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about losing the Champions League finals, and this is harsh.
35:33
[SPEAKER_01]: They lost the room, we didn't even thought that Dortmund would go to the Champions League final there.
35:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter, but the way that they lost, they could have won that.
35:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's bringing the vent to sin to this?
35:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we've lost seven parts of the wall.
35:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cheeky, I don't know why.
35:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little cheeky.
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't bottle, we have 48 league titles, my friend.
35:45
[SPEAKER_01]: We're very... We're going to lose 70 glasses.
35:47
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was 70 glasses final loss.
35:49
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get into this.
35:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Consistently.
35:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay, so it's a positive for you, they're going to the final.
35:52
[SPEAKER_01]: But dormant, who no one expected to go to the final, the way that they lose games and moments.
35:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You vent to stone, lose moments like that.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't throw stuff away as continuous in us.
36:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Frequently as dormant.
36:02
[SPEAKER_01]: When you figure out about the biggest bottle is in Europe, you figure out.
36:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't they beat you in a Champions League final?
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yes.
36:07
[SPEAKER_03]: This is for me, is I'm a dormant, do not have the, the dormant, my point is here.
36:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Dormant don't have the explet, they don't spend the money to be regarded as a team that are really bottling that much in my opinion.
36:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why, fact that they even get to a Champions League final with the way they operate their football club.
36:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Isn't it a way a bit of a miracle when you look at the, a lot of money that teams around them are spending?
36:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You, you're defending them in that sense.
36:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I'm not defending the way that they run.
36:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I've eaten everyone perfectly.
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: But they go under the radar with how much they throw stuff away.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the reality.
36:32
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's the expectation for you with Dormant?
36:35
[SPEAKER_01]: To compete.
36:36
[SPEAKER_01]: The compete season of postseason, but the reality is that by and drop points, and there's still a two point gap, what I'm saying is this happens a lot with Dortmund, but it doesn't get highlighted.
36:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't dislike Dortmund, it's an expectation of Dortmund, it shouldn't be an expectation when you go into the season every single year and you say, oh, I'm a walker.
36:53
[SPEAKER_01]: 23, the way that they bottled that was a big bottle.
36:55
[SPEAKER_01]: That was an awful bottle.
36:56
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is to do was get the result on the final day.
36:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They throw it away, but this is what I'm saying with Dortmund.
37:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It happens time again.
37:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Europa League against Liverpool.
37:03
[SPEAKER_01]: When was it?
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: A decade or so ago.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Champions League final, they didn't take their chances.
37:07
[SPEAKER_01]: They could have been in that rumours of team on that day.
37:09
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't perfect whatsoever.
37:11
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I'm trying to say is, they're basically the top number equivalent by nobody talks about them in that realm.
37:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're very likely, like you, you just automatically defend them straight away.
37:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Without even trying to hear my points, you bring your ventison to it.
37:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I know because you're talking about chimpanzees and final losses and like it's a little cheeky man.
37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I know with the biggest loses statistically in Shabby's farm history but you vent us down bottle stuff.
37:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You vent us get over the line.
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the history of you vent us.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Just not in Europe.
37:31
[SPEAKER_01]: In Europe.
37:32
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37:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, look, I clearly didn't watch our faces of football in Dortmund where they explained the philosophy, you can do it.
37:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to leave you the box here, but anyway, we have the chance to travel to Dortmund a few months back and they explain for us the philosophy, it's really different because to succeed, we need to overperform and buy and need to underperform.
37:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Our philosophy, it's
38:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Pro amazed to the young talent.
38:06
[SPEAKER_02]: We are the one that they're going to deliver.
38:07
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we did with Bellingham, with talent.
38:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's where my stance is with Dormand.
38:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think you're, honestly, look, I think you're being a little harsh.
38:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Because in my opinion, a football club that's run like that, it's very hard for me to look at them.
38:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, seriously, because I know they're kept and they've kept themselves.
38:22
[SPEAKER_03]: What does everyone show, what does everyone show?
38:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Tottenham, that's the same for Tottenham.
38:25
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do people's troll spurs outside of England and I'm not so sure like they make out on them all the time People who other clubs the Tottenham are equivalent I think the reality is because for me spurs like spurs not winning the league is like it's another thing It's like well, I don't expect them to win the league like one day when they almost won the league in 1516 and 1617 For me it's like the fact that they were even in there is like I don't expect that there's a more expectation with Dortmund domestician and Tottenham
38:47
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm trying to.
38:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the reason for that is because there's less competition in Germany than there is in English.
38:52
[SPEAKER_03]: In English.
38:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Spurs have like five clubs ahead of them.
38:54
[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing with Dorman, I have a big problem with them because I think for as big clubs as they are because they, they are a big club, right?
39:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they have enough ambition.
39:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they've almost settled, they've settled with themselves that they're happy to just be almost be a feeder club and be a development club for the next step.
39:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think if I were a fan of Dorman, I'd be happy because they've given good moments, right?
39:12
[SPEAKER_03]: They were really good at fit what 10, 15 years ago under club.
39:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even feel like they really attempt to get to that level anymore.
39:18
[SPEAKER_03]: And if they do, it's okay, we're there for one season, and then we'll just sell our best players off and we'll restart the process.
39:22
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish they had a bit more ambition.
39:23
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time of ruby, but it's not even...
39:25
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're always reasonable.
39:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the...
39:28
[SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to rebuild them.
39:29
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just at their development club.
39:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's not even matter of ambition, guys.
39:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like they've got what we had there, but there's a giant in front of us.
39:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish they had more ambition, but for what they are, I don't know if I can really criticize them for failing to get over the line.
39:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Let us know what are your thoughts in about Dortmund and Lees.
39:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything else you want to add?
39:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, well, then we are going to be back tomorrow with Champions League, with La Liga, with the MLS, with Lionel Messi.
39:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks Lees!
39:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks Luke, we are going to be back tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ciao!