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Navigating Self-Publishing: Insights from A Children's Illustrator and Book Author Charlotte Glaze on 'Storm Trucks' · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

• 4:11
  Charlotte
• 4:12
  Glaze,
• 4:13
  stormtrucks.
• 4:14
  Welcome,
• 4:15
  Charlotte,
• 4:15
  to
• 4:16
  the
• 4:16
  Adventures
• 4:17
  in
• 4:17
  the
• 4:17
  Heart
• 4:17
  of
• 4:17
  Children's
• 4:18
  Book
• 4:18
  Authors
• 4:18
  podcast.
• 4:19
  Thank
• 4:19
  you
• 4:20
  for
• 4:20
  having
• 4:20
  me.
• 4:21
  My
• 4:21
  pleasure.
• 4:22
  I
• 4:23
  would
• 4:23
  love
• 4:23
  to
• 4:24
  start
• 4:24
  with
• 4:25
  talking
• 4:25
  about
• 4:26
  your
• 4:26
  inspiration
• 4:27
  behind
• 4:27
  your
• 4:27
  book,
• 4:28
  Storm
• 4:29
  Trucks
• 4:29
  and
• 4:30
  the
• 4:30
  Origin
• 4:31
  Story.
• 4:31
  So
• 4:31
  if
• 4:32
  you
• 4:32
  could
• 4:32
  tell
• 4:32
  us
• 4:33
  a
• 4:33
  little
• 4:33
  bit
• 4:33
  about
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  inspiration
• 4:35
  behind
• 4:35
  your
• 4:35
  book.
• 4:36
  Okay.
• 4:37
  My
• 4:37
  son,
• 4:37
  when
• 4:38
  he
• 4:38
  was
• 4:38
  about
• 4:38
  three,
• 4:39
  I'd
• 4:39
  say
• 4:39
  we
• 4:39
  live
• 4:40
  in
• 4:40
  Oklahoma.
• 4:41
  And
• 4:42
  if
• 4:42
  you
• 4:42
  know
• 4:42
  anything
• 4:42
  about
• 4:43
  Oklahoma,
• 4:43
  there's
• 4:44
  lots
• 4:44
  of
• 4:44
  thunderstorms
• 4:45
  that
• 4:45
  we
• 4:46
  have
• 4:46
  every
• 4:47
  spring
• 4:47
  and
• 4:47
  fall
• 4:48
  and
• 4:48
  tornadoes
• 4:49
  and
• 4:49
  such
• 4:49
  like
• 4:49
  that,
• 4:49
  but
• 4:50
  just
• 4:50
  regular
• 4:51
  thunderstorms,
• 4:52
  too.
• 4:52
  And
• 4:52
  they
• 4:52
  were
• 4:53
  scary
• 4:53
  to
• 4:53
  him,
• 4:54
  like,
• 4:54
  all
• 4:54
  the
• 4:54
  loud
• 4:55
  sounds
• 4:55
  that
• 4:55
  the
• 4:56
  storms
• 4:56
  made.
• 4:56
  But
• 4:57
  during
• 4:57
  this
• 4:58
  time,
• 4:58
  he
• 4:59
  was,
• 4:59
  like,
• 4:59
  obsessed
• 5:00
  with
• 5:00
  trucks
• 5:01
  and
• 5:02
  cars
• 5:02
  and
• 5:03
  played
• 5:04
  them,
• 5:04
  watched
• 5:05
  TV
• 5:05
  shows
• 5:05
  about
• 5:05
  them,
• 5:06
  all
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  things.
• 5:07
  And
• 5:08
  I
• 5:09
  just
• 5:09
  had
• 5:09
  a.
• 5:09
  It
• 5:10
  just
• 5:10
  came
• 5:10
  to
• 5:10
  me
• 5:11
  one
• 5:11
  time
• 5:11
  when
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  thunder
• 5:12
  was
• 5:12
  going.
• 5:12
  I'm
• 5:12
  like,
• 5:13
  hey,
• 5:14
  that
• 5:14
  sounds
• 5:14
  a
• 5:14
  lot
• 5:15
  like
• 5:15
  trucks.
• 5:15
  Do
• 5:15
  you
• 5:15
  think
• 5:16
  maybe
• 5:16
  there's
• 5:16
  trucks
• 5:17
  up
• 5:17
  in
• 5:17
  the
• 5:17
  sky
• 5:17
  making
• 5:18
  that
• 5:18
  noise?
• 5:19
  And,
• 5:19
  like,
• 5:20
  it
• 5:20
  seemed
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  just
• 5:20
  switch
• 5:21
  in
• 5:21
  his
• 5:21
  brain.
• 5:22
  Oh,
• 5:23
  oh,
• 5:24
  that's
• 5:24
  not
• 5:24
  as
• 5:24
  scary
• 5:25
  then,
• 5:25
  if
• 5:25
  it's
• 5:26
  trucks
• 5:26
  up
• 5:26
  there
• 5:26
  making
• 5:27
  that
• 5:27
  noise.
• 5:28
  And
• 5:28
  so
• 5:28
  the
• 5:28
  idea
• 5:29
  came
• 5:29
  from
• 5:29
  there,
• 5:30
  and
• 5:30
  then
• 5:31
  obviously
• 5:32
  it
• 5:32
  doesn't
• 5:32
  just
• 5:33
  come
• 5:33
  out
• 5:33
  in
• 5:33
  the
• 5:34
  book.
• 5:34
  That
• 5:34
  takes
• 5:35
  time
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  form
• 5:36
  it
• 5:36
  into
• 5:36
  a
• 5:36
  story.
• 5:37
  Absolutely.
• 5:38
  Your
• 5:38
  character's
• 5:39
  name
• 5:39
  is
• 5:39
  Axel,
• 5:40
  which
• 5:40
  I
• 5:41
  love.
• 5:41
  And
• 5:42
  so
• 5:43
  was
• 5:43
  your
• 5:43
  son
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  inspiration
• 5:45
  behind
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  character
• 5:47
  in
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  book?
• 5:48
  Not
• 5:48
  really.
• 5:49
  He
• 5:49
  didn't
• 5:49
  say,
• 5:50
  oh,
• 5:50
  mom,
• 5:50
  that's
• 5:51
  me.
• 5:52
  Yeah,
• 5:52
  no,
• 5:52
  he
• 5:52
  didn't
• 5:53
  say
• 5:53
  that.
• 5:53
  But
• 5:54
  just.
• 5:54
  I
• 5:55
  think
• 5:55
  he's
• 5:55
  just
• 5:56
  a
• 5:56
  boy.
• 5:57
  Any
• 5:57
  boy.
• 5:58
  Like,
• 5:58
  it
• 5:58
  could
• 5:58
  be
• 5:59
  at
• 5:59
  any
• 5:59
  boy
• 5:59
  kind
• 6:00
  of
• 6:00
  character.
• 6:00
  He
• 6:01
  just
• 6:02
  loves
• 6:03
  trucks
• 6:03
  and
• 6:04
  loves
• 6:04
  to
• 6:05
  play
• 6:05
  with
• 6:05
  his
• 6:05
  puppy,
• 6:06
  too.
• 6:06
  Just
• 6:07
  something
• 6:07
  very
• 6:07
  common
• 6:08
  for
• 6:08
  a
• 6:08
  lot
• 6:08
  of
• 6:08
  little
• 6:09
  boys.
• 6:09
  Absolutely.
• 6:10
  Because
• 6:11
  that's
• 6:11
  how
• 6:11
  my
• 6:12
  son
• 6:12
  grew
• 6:12
  up
• 6:13
  and
• 6:13
  now
• 6:14
  his
• 6:14
  son's.
• 6:15
  Same
• 6:15
  kind
• 6:16
  of
• 6:16
  thing
• 6:16
  with
• 6:16
  the
• 6:17
  dump
• 6:17
  trucks
• 6:18
  and
• 6:18
  the
• 6:18
  earth
• 6:18
  movers
• 6:19
  and
• 6:19
  stuff
• 6:19
  like
• 6:20
  that.
• 6:20
  Interesting.
• 6:20
  It's
• 6:21
  funny
• 6:21
  how
• 6:21
  boys
• 6:22
  gravitate
• 6:22
  to
• 6:23
  that
• 6:23
  kind
• 6:23
  of
• 6:23
  stuff.
• 6:25
  So
• 6:25
  I'm
• 6:25
  also
• 6:26
  interested
• 6:27
  in
• 6:27
  talking
• 6:28
  about
• 6:28
  your
• 6:28
  publishing
• 6:29
  approach.
• 6:30
  And
• 6:30
  I
• 6:31
  know
• 6:31
  we
• 6:31
  had
• 6:32
  just
• 6:32
  talked,
• 6:32
  just
• 6:33
  so
• 6:33
  the
• 6:33
  audience
• 6:34
  knows,
• 6:35
  we.
• 6:35
  We
• 6:35
  had
• 6:35
  just
• 6:36
  talked
• 6:36
  about
• 6:37
  Charlotte's
• 6:37
  book
• 6:38
  being
• 6:38
  available,
• 6:39
  and
• 6:40
  now
• 6:40
  it's
• 6:40
  available
• 6:41
  on
• 6:41
  Amazon,
• 6:42
  not
• 6:43
  only
• 6:43
  in
• 6:43
  hardcore
• 6:44
  cover,
• 6:45
  but
• 6:45
  also
• 6:45
  in
• 6:45
  paperback
• 6:46
  and
• 6:47
  in
• 6:47
  ebook,
• 6:48
  and
• 6:48
  the
• 6:48
  paperback
• 6:49
  just
• 6:49
  recently
• 6:50
  came
• 6:50
  on
• 6:51
  the
• 6:52
  market.
• 6:52
  Charlotte,
• 6:53
  can
• 6:53
  you
• 6:53
  just
• 6:54
  take
• 6:54
  us
• 6:54
  through,
• 6:55
  first
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  all,
• 6:55
  the
• 6:56
  whole
• 6:56
  process
• 6:57
  of
• 6:57
  publishing?
• 6:58
  So
• 6:58
  talk
• 6:58
  to
• 6:59
  us.
• 6:59
  Are
• 6:59
  you
• 6:59
  self
• 7:00
  published,
• 7:00
  hybrid
• 7:01
  published,
• 7:02
  traditional
• 7:02
  published?
• 7:03
  I'm
• 7:03
  self
• 7:04
  published.
• 7:04
  And
• 7:05
  I
• 7:06
  chose
• 7:06
  that
• 7:07
  because
• 7:08
  I
• 7:08
  had
• 7:09
  queried
• 7:09
  this
• 7:10
  story
• 7:10
  and
• 7:10
  other
• 7:11
  stories
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  agents
• 7:12
  for
• 7:13
  several
• 7:13
  years,
• 7:14
  and
• 7:16
  it's
• 7:16
  Just
• 7:17
  after
• 7:17
  a
• 7:18
  while
• 7:18
  of
• 7:18
  doing
• 7:19
  that,
• 7:19
  and
• 7:19
  then
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  just
• 7:20
  felt
• 7:20
  like
• 7:21
  I
• 7:21
  had
• 7:22
  gone
• 7:22
  through
• 7:22
  enough
• 7:22
  critiques
• 7:23
  and
• 7:23
  enough
• 7:24
  editing
• 7:24
  process
• 7:25
  that
• 7:25
  I
• 7:25
  really
• 7:26
  felt
• 7:26
  that
• 7:26
  this
• 7:26
  book
• 7:27
  was
• 7:28
  good
• 7:28
  book,
• 7:29
  that
• 7:30
  maybe
• 7:30
  it
• 7:30
  wouldn't
• 7:31
  have
• 7:31
  the
• 7:31
  market
• 7:31
  that
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  big
• 7:32
  publishers
• 7:33
  are
• 7:33
  looking
• 7:33
  for.
• 7:34
  But
• 7:34
  I
• 7:35
  felt
• 7:35
  like
• 7:35
  there
• 7:35
  is
• 7:36
  a
• 7:36
  market
• 7:36
  for
• 7:36
  this
• 7:37
  book
• 7:37
  and
• 7:38
  I've
• 7:39
  put
• 7:39
  so
• 7:39
  much
• 7:39
  work
• 7:40
  into
• 7:40
  it
• 7:40
  already,
• 7:40
  I
• 7:41
  would
• 7:41
  like
• 7:42
  people
• 7:42
  to
• 7:42
  actually
• 7:42
  be
• 7:43
  able
• 7:43
  to
• 7:43
  read
• 7:43
  it.
• 7:44
  I
• 7:44
  decided
• 7:44
  to
• 7:44
  self
• 7:45
  publish
• 7:45
  and
• 7:46
  I
• 7:46
  actually.
• 7:47
  The
• 7:47
  hardback.
• 7:48
  Here
• 7:48
  I
• 7:49
  have
• 7:49
  it.
• 7:49
  The
• 7:49
  hardback
• 7:50
  is
• 7:51
  not
• 7:52
  from
• 7:52
  Amazon.
• 7:53
  I
• 7:53
  didn't
• 7:54
  print
• 7:55
  it
• 7:55
  with
• 7:55
  them.
• 7:55
  The
• 7:56
  paperback
• 7:56
  is
• 7:57
  and
• 7:57
  the
• 7:57
  ebook
• 7:57
  is
• 7:58
  on
• 7:58
  Amazon,
• 7:59
  but
• 7:59
  the
• 7:59
  hardback
• 8:00
  is
• 8:00
  actually
• 8:00
  coming
• 8:00
  straight
• 8:01
  from
• 8:01
  me.
• 8:02
  And
• 8:02
  I
• 8:03
  ordered
• 8:03
  it
• 8:03
  from
• 8:03
  a
• 8:04
  printer,
• 8:04
  direct
• 8:05
  from
• 8:05
  a
• 8:05
  printer
• 8:06
  in
• 8:06
  China
• 8:07
  actually,
• 8:07
  and
• 8:07
  had
• 8:08
  it.
• 8:08
  I
• 8:08
  ordered
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  bunch
• 8:10
  of
• 8:10
  copies
• 8:10
  and
• 8:11
  so
• 8:11
  I
• 8:12
  am
• 8:12
  the
• 8:12
  distributor.
• 8:13
  Now
• 8:13
  I
• 8:14
  have
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  send
• 8:14
  it
• 8:14
  out
• 8:14
  to
• 8:15
  bookstores
• 8:15
  or
• 8:15
  libraries
• 8:16
  or
• 8:16
  whoever.
• 8:17
  Yes,
• 8:18
  and
• 8:18
  I've
• 8:18
  noticed
• 8:19
  that
• 8:19
  a
• 8:19
  lot
• 8:19
  of
• 8:20
  people
• 8:20
  who
• 8:21
  do
• 8:21
  a
• 8:21
  hard
• 8:21
  back
• 8:22
  copy
• 8:23
  generally
• 8:24
  either
• 8:24
  go
• 8:25
  offshore
• 8:26
  or
• 8:26
  look
• 8:26
  for
• 8:27
  someone
• 8:27
  to
• 8:28
  print
• 8:28
  through.
• 8:28
  And
• 8:29
  a
• 8:29
  lot
• 8:29
  of
• 8:29
  times,
• 8:29
  of
• 8:29
  course,
• 8:30
  in
• 8:30
  North
• 8:31
  America,
• 8:31
  it
• 8:31
  tends
• 8:31
  to
• 8:32
  be
• 8:32
  pretty
• 8:32
  expensive
• 8:33
  to
• 8:33
  print
• 8:33
  a
• 8:34
  hardback
• 8:34
  book.
• 8:35
  And
• 8:35
  that
• 8:36
  was
• 8:36
  your
• 8:36
  experience?
• 8:37
  Yes,
• 8:38
  I
• 8:38
  got
• 8:38
  a
• 8:38
  lot
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  quotes.
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  got
• 8:39
  some
• 8:39
  from
• 8:40
  the
• 8:40
  US
• 8:40
  and
• 8:41
  came
• 8:41
  out
• 8:41
  of
• 8:41
  like
• 8:42
  local
• 8:42
  or
• 8:43
  printers.
• 8:43
  And
• 8:44
  I
• 8:44
  also
• 8:44
  got
• 8:44
  some
• 8:45
  from
• 8:45
  overseas
• 8:46
  because
• 8:46
  I
• 8:46
  had
• 8:47
  been
• 8:47
  recommended
• 8:48
  just
• 8:48
  to
• 8:48
  check
• 8:49
  it
• 8:49
  out.
• 8:50
  And
• 8:50
  there's
• 8:51
  no
• 8:51
  comparison.
• 8:52
  Right.
• 8:53
  14
• 8:53
  bucks
• 8:53
  a
• 8:53
  book
• 8:54
  versus
• 8:54
  3
• 8:55
  bucks
• 8:55
  a
• 8:55
  book
• 8:55
  as
• 8:56
  well.
• 8:56
  Which
• 8:57
  one
• 8:57
  should
• 8:57
  I
• 8:57
  pick?
• 8:58
  Yeah,
• 8:58
  I
• 8:59
  know
• 8:59
  it
• 8:59
  makes
• 9:00
  it
• 9:00
  difficult.
• 9:01
  And
• 9:01
  the
• 9:01
  print
• 9:02
  quality
• 9:02
  from
• 9:03
  what
• 9:03
  I've
• 9:03
  seen
• 9:04
  is
• 9:05
  very
• 9:05
  similar.
• 9:06
  Yes,
• 9:07
  Yes,
• 9:07
  I
• 9:07
  think
• 9:07
  so.
• 9:08
  And
• 9:08
  if
• 9:08
  you
• 9:08
  look
• 9:09
  in
• 9:09
  books
• 9:10
  at
• 9:10
  a
• 9:10
  bookstore,
• 9:11
  they
• 9:11
  all
• 9:11
  have
• 9:11
  to
• 9:11
  say
• 9:12
  where
• 9:12
  it
• 9:12
  was
• 9:12
  printed
• 9:13
  in
• 9:13
  the
• 9:13
  copyright
• 9:14
  information.
• 9:15
  Yes.
• 9:15
  And
• 9:15
  if
• 9:15
  you
• 9:15
  look
• 9:16
  a
• 9:16
  lot
• 9:16
  of
• 9:16
  them
• 9:17
  mainstream
• 9:17
  books,
• 9:18
  they're
• 9:18
  all
• 9:18
  printed
• 9:18
  in
• 9:19
  China
• 9:19
  because
• 9:19
  that's
• 9:20
  where
• 9:20
  a
• 9:20
  lot
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  printing
• 9:21
  presses
• 9:22
  are
• 9:22
  in
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  world
• 9:22
  right
• 9:23
  now.
• 9:23
  With
• 9:23
  your
• 9:23
  experience
• 9:24
  in
• 9:24
  that,
• 9:25
  maybe
• 9:25
  you
• 9:25
  could
• 9:26
  tell
• 9:26
  us
• 9:26
  a
• 9:26
  little
• 9:26
  bit
• 9:27
  about
• 9:28
  where
• 9:28
  did
• 9:28
  you
• 9:28
  go
• 9:29
  when,
• 9:29
  like
• 9:30
  when
• 9:30
  you
• 9:30
  first
• 9:30
  started
• 9:30
  on
• 9:31
  this
• 9:31
  and
• 9:31
  said,
• 9:31
  oh,
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  know
• 9:32
  what?
• 9:32
  It
• 9:32
  looks
• 9:32
  like
• 9:33
  I'm
• 9:33
  going
• 9:33
  to
• 9:33
  have
• 9:33
  to
• 9:34
  print
• 9:34
  offshore.
• 9:35
  Like,
• 9:36
  what
• 9:36
  was
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  process
• 9:37
  and
• 9:37
  how
• 9:37
  difficult
• 9:38
  was
• 9:38
  it?
• 9:39
  Okay.
• 9:39
  So
• 9:40
  I
• 9:40
  was
• 9:40
  recommended
• 9:41
  to
• 9:41
  go
• 9:42
  to
• 9:42
  a
• 9:42
  website
• 9:42
  called
• 9:43
  madeinchina.com
• 9:45
  and
• 9:46
  you
• 9:46
  can
• 9:47
  put
• 9:48
  in
• 9:48
  your
• 9:49
  specifications
• 9:50
  for
• 9:50
  the
• 9:51
  product
• 9:51
  that
• 9:51
  you
• 9:51
  want.
• 9:51
  And
• 9:52
  it's
• 9:52
  not
• 9:52
  even
• 9:52
  just
• 9:52
  books.
• 9:53
  It's
• 9:53
  like
• 9:54
  any
• 9:54
  kind
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  manufacturing.
• 9:56
  It
• 9:56
  seems
• 9:56
  like
• 9:57
  you
• 9:57
  can
• 9:57
  search
• 9:58
  for
• 9:59
  printers,
• 10:00
  like
• 10:00
  children's
• 10:01
  book
• 10:01
  printers,
• 10:02
  and
• 10:02
  they'll
• 10:02
  give
• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  a
• 10:03
  huge
• 10:03
  list
• 10:03
  and
• 10:04
  you
• 10:04
  can
• 10:04
  like
• 10:04
  query
• 10:05
  individual
• 10:06
  ones.
• 10:07
  Like
• 10:07
  you
• 10:07
  could
• 10:07
  look
• 10:07
  through
• 10:08
  their
• 10:08
  pictures
• 10:08
  and
• 10:09
  samples
• 10:09
  and
• 10:09
  stuff.
• 10:09
  So
• 10:10
  it
• 10:10
  is.
• 10:10
  It's
• 10:11
  time
• 10:11
  consuming
• 10:11
  to
• 10:12
  go
• 10:12
  through
• 10:12
  this
• 10:12
  and
• 10:13
  look
• 10:13
  at
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  different
• 10:13
  ones.
• 10:14
  But
• 10:15
  so
• 10:15
  then
• 10:15
  I
• 10:16
  emailed
• 10:16
  back
• 10:17
  and
• 10:17
  forth
• 10:17
  with
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  bunch
• 10:18
  of
• 10:19
  them
• 10:19
  and
• 10:20
  I
• 10:20
  picked
• 10:22
  two,
• 10:22
  I
• 10:22
  think,
• 10:22
  to
• 10:23
  get
• 10:23
  samples
• 10:23
  from.
• 10:24
  So
• 10:24
  I,
• 10:24
  like,
• 10:24
  uploaded
• 10:25
  my
• 10:25
  book
• 10:26
  and
• 10:26
  then
• 10:26
  they
• 10:26
  sent
• 10:27
  me
• 10:27
  one
• 10:27
  copy.
• 10:28
  Okay.
• 10:29
  To
• 10:29
  see
• 10:29
  what
• 10:29
  it
• 10:30
  looked
• 10:30
  like.
• 10:30
  And
• 10:30
  was
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  book
• 10:31
  formatting
• 10:32
  the
• 10:33
  same
• 10:33
  as
• 10:34
  when
• 10:34
  you
• 10:34
  uploaded
• 10:35
  a
• 10:36
  kdp?
• 10:37
  It
• 10:37
  was
• 10:37
  a
• 10:37
  little
• 10:38
  bit
• 10:38
  different,
• 10:39
  but
• 10:39
  they
• 10:39
  gave
• 10:39
  me,
• 10:40
  like,
• 10:40
  the
• 10:41
  specifications
• 10:41
  and
• 10:42
  everything.
• 10:42
  I
• 10:43
  will
• 10:43
  say
• 10:44
  this
• 10:44
  might
• 10:45
  be
• 10:45
  a
• 10:45
  big
• 10:46
  challenge
• 10:46
  for
• 10:47
  some
• 10:48
  people.
• 10:48
  I'm
• 10:49
  actually
• 10:49
  a
• 10:50
  graphic
• 10:50
  designer
• 10:50
  and
• 10:51
  web
• 10:51
  designer
• 10:51
  by
• 10:52
  trade,
• 10:52
  and
• 10:53
  so
• 10:53
  I
• 10:54
  already
• 10:54
  knew
• 10:54
  how
• 10:54
  to
• 10:55
  lay
• 10:55
  out
• 10:55
  the
• 10:55
  book
• 10:56
  and
• 10:57
  do
• 10:57
  all
• 10:57
  those
• 10:57
  things
• 10:58
  myself.
• 10:59
  Which
• 10:59
  you
• 10:59
  may
• 10:59
  have
• 10:59
  to
• 11:00
  hire
• 11:00
  somebody
• 11:01
  to
• 11:01
  do
• 11:01
  the
• 11:02
  book
• 11:02
  design
• 11:02
  for
• 11:02
  you
• 11:03
  if
• 11:03
  you're
• 11:03
  not.
• 11:04
  Right.
• 11:04
  And
• 11:04
  that's
• 11:04
  what
• 11:04
  we
• 11:05
  did.
• 11:05
  We
• 11:05
  used
• 11:05
  a
• 11:06
  graphic
• 11:06
  artist.
• 11:07
  Yeah.
• 11:07
  The
• 11:07
  beautiful
• 11:08
  thing
• 11:08
  about
• 11:08
  it,
• 11:09
  it's
• 11:10
  that
• 11:10
  it's
• 11:11
  not
• 11:12
  that
• 11:12
  expensive
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  hire
• 11:14
  someone
• 11:14
  to
• 11:14
  do
• 11:14
  that.
• 11:15
  And
• 11:16
  I
• 11:16
  always
• 11:16
  feel
• 11:17
  a
• 11:17
  lot
• 11:17
  better
• 11:18
  using
• 11:18
  my.
• 11:19
  The
• 11:19
  person
• 11:19
  I
• 11:20
  have
• 11:20
  is
• 11:20
  fantastic.
• 11:21
  And
• 11:21
  because
• 11:22
  we've
• 11:22
  made
• 11:22
  a
• 11:22
  couple
• 11:23
  of
• 11:23
  changes
• 11:23
  to
• 11:23
  our
• 11:24
  book
• 11:24
  as
• 11:24
  we
• 11:25
  have
• 11:25
  it
• 11:25
  into
• 11:26
  the
• 11:26
  marketplace.
• 11:27
  So
• 11:28
  again,
• 11:29
  it's
• 11:29
  always
• 11:29
  nice
• 11:29
  to
• 11:29
  have
• 11:30
  a
• 11:30
  professional.
• 11:30
  And
• 11:31
  you
• 11:31
  can
• 11:31
  use.
• 11:31
  Usually
• 11:32
  find
• 11:32
  them
• 11:32
  locally,
• 11:33
  which
• 11:34
  makes
• 11:34
  life
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  little
• 11:35
  simpler.
• 11:35
  You
• 11:36
  don't
• 11:36
  have
• 11:36
  to
• 11:36
  go
• 11:36
  offshore
• 11:37
  to
• 11:37
  find
• 11:38
  someone.
• 11:38
  Yeah.
• 11:38
  You
• 11:38
  can
• 11:39
  find
• 11:39
  a
• 11:39
  local
• 11:39
  graphic
• 11:40
  designer.
• 11:40
  Then
• 11:41
  you
• 11:41
  started
• 11:41
  with
• 11:41
  your
• 11:42
  hard
• 11:42
  copy
• 11:43
  and
• 11:43
  primarily
• 11:44
  selling
• 11:45
  it
• 11:45
  through.
• 11:46
  You
• 11:46
  started
• 11:46
  through
• 11:47
  your
• 11:47
  website
• 11:47
  and
• 11:48
  then
• 11:48
  you
• 11:48
  moved
• 11:48
  it
• 11:49
  over
• 11:49
  onto
• 11:49
  Amazon
• 11:50
  also.
• 11:51
  Yes.
• 11:52
  Yeah.
• 11:52
  So
• 11:52
  if
• 11:52
  you
• 11:53
  ordered
• 11:53
  a
• 11:53
  hard
• 11:53
  copy,
• 11:54
  it's
• 11:54
  not
• 11:54
  printed
• 11:55
  by
• 11:55
  Amazon,
• 11:55
  that
• 11:56
  one
• 11:56
  would
• 11:56
  be
• 11:56
  just
• 11:57
  directed
• 11:57
  straight
• 11:57
  to
• 11:57
  me
• 11:58
  and
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  would
• 11:58
  send
• 11:58
  it
• 11:59
  out.
• 11:59
  You
• 11:59
  have
• 12:00
  your
• 12:00
  hard
• 12:00
  copy
• 12:01
  on
• 12:01
  Amazon.
• 12:02
  So
• 12:02
  when
• 12:02
  the
• 12:02
  order's
• 12:03
  placed
• 12:03
  by
• 12:04
  a
• 12:04
  reader,
• 12:04
  a
• 12:05
  client,
• 12:06
  do
• 12:06
  they.
• 12:07
  Does
• 12:07
  Amazon
• 12:08
  just
• 12:08
  get
• 12:08
  a
• 12:09
  hold
• 12:09
  of
• 12:09
  you
• 12:09
  and
• 12:09
  you
• 12:10
  send
• 12:10
  it
• 12:10
  directly
• 12:11
  to
• 12:11
  the
• 12:11
  consumer
• 12:12
  or
• 12:12
  how
• 12:12
  does
• 12:12
  that
• 12:12
  work?
• 12:13
  Yes,
• 12:14
  I
• 12:14
  haven't
• 12:15
  done
• 12:15
  it
• 12:15
  yet.
• 12:16
  Like,
• 12:16
  nobody
• 12:16
  has
• 12:16
  bought
• 12:17
  the
• 12:17
  hard
• 12:17
  copy
• 12:17
  yet
• 12:17
  from
• 12:18
  Amazon.
• 12:18
  Okay.
• 12:18
  But
• 12:19
  they've
• 12:19
  been
• 12:19
  buying
• 12:19
  it
• 12:20
  from,
• 12:20
  like,
• 12:20
  my
• 12:20
  website
• 12:20
  because
• 12:21
  that's
• 12:21
  what
• 12:21
  I
• 12:21
  advertise
• 12:22
  more.
• 12:22
  Because
• 12:22
  then
• 12:22
  I
• 12:23
  don't
• 12:23
  have
• 12:23
  to
• 12:23
  give
• 12:23
  Amazon
• 12:24
  a
• 12:24
  cut.
• 12:25
  Yes,
• 12:25
  no,
• 12:26
  absolutely.
• 12:27
  Okay,
• 12:28
  fantastic.
• 12:29
  And
• 12:29
  then
• 12:29
  of
• 12:30
  course,
• 12:30
  with.
• 12:30
  With
• 12:31
  your
• 12:31
  paperback
• 12:32
  and
• 12:32
  your
• 12:32
  ebook
• 12:33
  that's
• 12:34
  produced
• 12:35
  directly
• 12:36
  by
• 12:36
  Amazon
• 12:37
  in
• 12:37
  their
• 12:38
  marketplaces.
• 12:39
  And
• 12:39
  they
• 12:39
  ship
• 12:40
  it.
• 12:40
  Yes.
• 12:41
  And
• 12:41
  then
• 12:41
  they
• 12:41
  send
• 12:42
  you
• 12:42
  a
• 12:42
  percentage
• 12:44
  of
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  proceeds.
• 12:45
  Okay.
• 12:46
  And
• 12:46
  just
• 12:46
  so
• 12:46
  everyone
• 12:47
  knows,
• 12:47
  that's
• 12:47
  the
• 12:48
  model
• 12:48
  that
• 12:49
  we
• 12:49
  use
• 12:50
  to
• 12:50
  bring
• 12:51
  our
• 12:51
  children's
• 12:52
  book
• 12:52
  to
• 12:52
  life.
• 12:53
  The
• 12:53
  same
• 12:53
  as
• 12:54
  Charlotte.
• 12:54
  It
• 12:54
  just
• 12:55
  makes
• 12:55
  life
• 12:55
  a
• 12:55
  little
• 12:55
  easier.
• 12:56
  Because
• 12:57
  generally
• 12:57
  what
• 12:57
  happens
• 12:58
  is
• 12:59
  I
• 12:59
  found
• 13:00
  that
• 13:00
  the
• 13:00
  turnaround
• 13:02
  is
• 13:02
  very
• 13:02
  Quick
• 13:03
  with
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  paperback.
• 13:04
  Like
• 13:04
  you.
• 13:04
  I
• 13:05
  just
• 13:05
  had
• 13:05
  a.
• 13:05
  I've
• 13:06
  got
• 13:06
  an
• 13:06
  author
• 13:07
  coming
• 13:07
  on
• 13:08
  and
• 13:09
  they
• 13:09
  just
• 13:10
  had
• 13:10
  a
• 13:10
  book
• 13:10
  launch
• 13:11
  and
• 13:11
  I
• 13:12
  ordered
• 13:12
  their
• 13:12
  book
• 13:12
  and
• 13:13
  it
• 13:13
  was
• 13:13
  here
• 13:13
  in
• 13:13
  a
• 13:14
  day.
• 13:14
  That's
• 13:15
  how
• 13:15
  quick
• 13:15
  it
• 13:15
  comes.
• 13:16
  So
• 13:16
  it
• 13:16
  doesn't
• 13:16
  really
• 13:17
  matter
• 13:17
  what
• 13:17
  market
• 13:18
  you're
• 13:18
  in.
• 13:18
  Fantastic.
• 13:19
  Yes.
• 13:19
  The
• 13:20
  Amazon
• 13:20
  Print
• 13:20
  on
• 13:21
  demand
• 13:21
  is
• 13:21
  really
• 13:21
  good.
• 13:22
  So
• 13:22
  I
• 13:22
  did
• 13:23
  look
• 13:23
  at
• 13:23
  IngramSpark
• 13:24
  too,
• 13:24
  when
• 13:24
  I
• 13:25
  wanted
• 13:25
  to
• 13:25
  do
• 13:25
  a
• 13:25
  hardback
• 13:26
  and
• 13:27
  I
• 13:27
  found
• 13:28
  it
• 13:28
  was.
• 13:29
  I
• 13:29
  was
• 13:29
  very
• 13:29
  frustrated
• 13:30
  with
• 13:30
  that
• 13:30
  process.
• 13:31
  But
• 13:31
  they
• 13:31
  do
• 13:31
  print
• 13:32
  on
• 13:32
  demand
• 13:32
  too.
• 13:32
  You
• 13:33
  don't
• 13:33
  have
• 13:33
  to
• 13:33
  order
• 13:33
  like
• 13:34
  500
• 13:34
  at
• 13:34
  a
• 13:35
  time
• 13:35
  as
• 13:35
  people
• 13:35
  order
• 13:36
  it.
• 13:36
  When
• 13:37
  I
• 13:37
  talk
• 13:37
  to
• 13:37
  other
• 13:38
  children's
• 13:38
  book
• 13:39
  authors,
• 13:39
  what
• 13:39
  I've
• 13:39
  been
• 13:40
  finding
• 13:40
  is
• 13:41
  a
• 13:41
  lot
• 13:41
  of
• 13:41
  them,
• 13:41
  ingramsparks
• 13:42
  to
• 13:43
  be
• 13:43
  able
• 13:43
  to
• 13:43
  put
• 13:44
  their,
• 13:44
  especially
• 13:44
  their
• 13:45
  paperback
• 13:46
  into
• 13:46
  the
• 13:46
  different
• 13:47
  retailers,
• 13:48
  online
• 13:48
  retailers
• 13:49
  like
• 13:49
  Barnes
• 13:50
  and
• 13:50
  Noble
• 13:50
  and
• 13:51
  Apple
• 13:51
  Books
• 13:52
  and
• 13:52
  stuff
• 13:52
  like
• 13:52
  that.
• 13:53
  And
• 13:53
  some
• 13:54
  do
• 13:54
  use
• 13:55
  ingramsparks
• 13:56
  for
• 13:56
  their
• 13:56
  hard
• 13:56
  copy.
• 13:57
  But
• 13:57
  I
• 13:57
  find
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  retail
• 13:58
  prices
• 13:59
  are
• 13:59
  like
• 14:00
  generally
• 14:01
  about
• 14:01
  two
• 14:01
  and
• 14:01
  a
• 14:01
  half
• 14:02
  times.
• 14:03
  Oh
• 14:03
  yeah.
• 14:03
  What
• 14:04
  it.
• 14:04
  So
• 14:05
  you're
• 14:05
  finding
• 14:05
  that
• 14:06
  yourself?
• 14:06
  Yeah,
• 14:07
  Like
• 14:07
  I
• 14:07
  did
• 14:08
  the
• 14:08
  pricing
• 14:08
  of
• 14:08
  them.
• 14:09
  I
• 14:09
  think
• 14:09
  I
• 14:10
  have
• 14:10
  it
• 14:10
  here.
• 14:10
  I
• 14:11
  pulled
• 14:11
  it
• 14:11
  up
• 14:11
  like
• 14:12
  IngramSpark,
• 14:13
  like
• 14:13
  one
• 14:14
  copy.
• 14:14
  If
• 14:14
  I
• 14:15
  ordered
• 14:15
  it,
• 14:15
  like
• 14:16
  even
• 14:16
  as
• 14:16
  an
• 14:16
  author,
• 14:17
  copy
• 14:17
  is
• 14:17
  like
• 14:18
  $13
• 14:20
  and
• 14:20
  some
• 14:20
  change.
• 14:21
  Right.
• 14:22
  But
• 14:22
  my
• 14:23
  hardback
• 14:24
  that
• 14:24
  I
• 14:24
  printed
• 14:25
  was
• 14:25
  321
• 14:27
  each
• 14:27
  book.
• 14:28
  And
• 14:28
  so
• 14:28
  I
• 14:28
  was
• 14:28
  like,
• 14:29
  this
• 14:29
  is.
• 14:29
  I
• 14:30
  could
• 14:30
  order
• 14:30
  some
• 14:31
  and
• 14:31
  break
• 14:31
  even
• 14:32
  like
• 14:32
  way
• 14:32
  faster
• 14:33
  if
• 14:33
  I
• 14:33
  just
• 14:33
  order
• 14:34
  them
• 14:35
  and
• 14:35
  just
• 14:36
  have
• 14:36
  them
• 14:36
  all
• 14:36
  on.
• 14:37
  On
• 14:37
  hand
• 14:38
  instead
• 14:38
  of
• 14:38
  one
• 14:39
  by
• 14:39
  one.
• 14:39
  Order
• 14:39
  them
• 14:40
  for
• 14:40
  sure.
• 14:41
  So
• 14:41
  you,
• 14:42
  your
• 14:42
  hardback,
• 14:43
  you
• 14:43
  had
• 14:43
  to
• 14:43
  order
• 14:44
  probably
• 14:45
  over
• 14:45
  2,000
• 14:46
  copies.
• 14:47
  I
• 14:47
  ordered
• 14:47
  500.
• 14:48
  Oh,
• 14:48
  500.
• 14:49
  That's
• 14:49
  not
• 14:50
  bad.
• 14:50
  So
• 14:51
  that
• 14:51
  just
• 14:51
  again,
• 14:51
  that
• 14:52
  just
• 14:52
  gives
• 14:52
  everybody
• 14:53
  an
• 14:53
  opportunity
• 14:54
  to
• 14:54
  understand
• 14:54
  that
• 14:55
  you
• 14:55
  can
• 14:55
  get
• 14:55
  a
• 14:55
  hard
• 14:56
  copy
• 14:56
  sent
• 14:56
  to
• 14:57
  you
• 14:57
  now.
• 14:58
  You
• 14:58
  have
• 14:58
  of
• 14:58
  course,
• 14:58
  you
• 14:59
  have
• 14:59
  to
• 14:59
  pay
• 14:59
  the
• 14:59
  freight
• 15:00
  on
• 15:00
  top.
• 15:01
  That
• 15:01
  cost
• 15:01
  that
• 15:01
  I
• 15:01
  just
• 15:02
  quoted
• 15:02
  you
• 15:02
  was
• 15:03
  including
• 15:03
  the
• 15:04
  shipping
• 15:04
  cost.
• 15:05
  Wow.
• 15:05
  The
• 15:06
  price
• 15:06
  per
• 15:06
  book
• 15:07
  was
• 15:07
  actually
• 15:07
  even
• 15:07
  less
• 15:08
  than
• 15:08
  that.
• 15:08
  Okay.
• 15:09
  But
• 15:09
  I
• 15:10
  just
• 15:10
  put
• 15:10
  it
• 15:10
  together
• 15:11
  because.
• 15:11
  So
• 15:11
  I
• 15:11
  would
• 15:11
  know
• 15:12
  when
• 15:12
  I
• 15:12
  had
• 15:13
  broke
• 15:13
  even.
• 15:14
  You
• 15:14
  bet.
• 15:14
  So
• 15:14
  for
• 15:14
  aspiring
• 15:15
  book
• 15:15
  authors,
• 15:16
  if
• 15:16
  you
• 15:17
  really
• 15:17
  want
• 15:17
  a
• 15:18
  hard
• 15:18
  covered
• 15:19
  book,
• 15:20
  the
• 15:20
  nice
• 15:20
  thing
• 15:20
  about
• 15:21
  it
• 15:21
  is
• 15:22
  you
• 15:22
  can
• 15:22
  get
• 15:23
  very
• 15:23
  good
• 15:24
  pricing
• 15:25
  for
• 15:25
  as
• 15:26
  little
• 15:26
  as
• 15:26
  500
• 15:27
  copies
• 15:28
  ordered.
• 15:29
  Yeah.
• 15:29
  Yeah.
• 15:30
  Thank
• 15:30
  you
• 15:30
  for
• 15:30
  sharing.
• 15:31
  Impressed
• 15:31
  by
• 15:31
  that.
• 15:32
  And
• 15:32
  so
• 15:32
  I
• 15:33
  decided
• 15:33
  that's
• 15:33
  what
• 15:34
  I
• 15:34
  wanted
• 15:34
  to
• 15:34
  try
• 15:34
  at
• 15:34
  least
• 15:35
  this
• 15:35
  time.
• 15:35
  I
• 15:35
  don't
• 15:35
  know
• 15:36
  if
• 15:36
  I
• 15:36
  would
• 15:36
  do
• 15:36
  it
• 15:36
  for
• 15:36
  every
• 15:37
  book
• 15:37
  in
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  future.
• 15:38
  But
• 15:38
  good
• 15:38
  for
• 15:38
  you.
• 15:39
  Good
• 15:39
  for
• 15:39
  you.
• 15:40
  So
• 15:40
  I
• 15:41
  was
• 15:41
  really
• 15:41
  impressed
• 15:41
  with
• 15:42
  your
• 15:42
  website.
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  have
• 15:43
  it
• 15:43
  up
• 15:43
  in
• 15:43
  front
• 15:43
  of
• 15:43
  me.
• 15:44
  Your
• 15:44
  website's
• 15:44
  lots
• 15:45
  of
• 15:45
  fun.
• 15:45
  It's
• 15:45
  jam
• 15:46
  packed
• 15:46
  with
• 15:47
  a
• 15:47
  ton
• 15:47
  of
• 15:47
  activities.
• 15:48
  Before
• 15:49
  I
• 15:49
  ask
• 15:49
  you
• 15:49
  any
• 15:50
  more,
• 15:50
  I
• 15:50
  just
• 15:50
  curious
• 15:51
  on
• 15:52
  it
• 15:52
  looks
• 15:52
  to
• 15:52
  me
• 15:53
  that
• 15:53
  your
• 15:53
  website
• 15:54
  came
• 15:54
  first
• 15:54
  and
• 15:55
  then
• 15:55
  your
• 15:55
  book.
• 15:55
  Is
• 15:55
  that
• 15:56
  correct?
• 15:57
  Yes.
• 15:57
  Like
• 15:57
  I've
• 15:58
  had
• 15:58
  my
• 15:58
  website
• 15:59
  for
• 15:59
  a
• 15:59
  while
• 15:59
  and
• 16:00
  I
• 16:01
  did
• 16:01
  rework
• 16:02
  it
• 16:02
  somewhat
• 16:03
  as
• 16:03
  I
• 16:03
  became
• 16:04
  an
• 16:04
  author,
• 16:04
  but
• 16:05
  some
• 16:05
  of
• 16:05
  the
• 16:05
  stuff
• 16:05
  I
• 16:06
  could
• 16:06
  keep
• 16:06
  and
• 16:07
  use
• 16:07
  from
• 16:08
  before
• 16:09
  and
• 16:09
  such.
• 16:09
  But
• 16:10
  yeah,
• 16:11
  I
• 16:11
  did
• 16:11
  have
• 16:11
  a
• 16:11
  website
• 16:12
  already.
• 16:12
  I
• 16:13
  have
• 16:13
  had
• 16:13
  a
• 16:13
  blog
• 16:14
  for
• 16:14
  a
• 16:15
  long
• 16:15
  time
• 16:15
  before
• 16:16
  I
• 16:16
  became
• 16:16
  an
• 16:16
  author.
• 16:17
  And
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  usually
• 16:17
  find
• 16:18
  with
• 16:18
  a
• 16:18
  lot
• 16:18
  of
• 16:19
  children's
• 16:19
  book
• 16:19
  authors,
• 16:20
  especially
• 16:20
  when
• 16:20
  they've
• 16:21
  launched
• 16:21
  their
• 16:21
  first
• 16:21
  book,
• 16:22
  they
• 16:23
  either
• 16:24
  launch
• 16:24
  the
• 16:24
  website
• 16:25
  exactly
• 16:26
  at
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  same
• 16:26
  time
• 16:26
  as
• 16:27
  the
• 16:27
  book
• 16:27
  or
• 16:28
  they
• 16:28
  launch
• 16:29
  the
• 16:29
  website
• 16:30
  after
• 16:31
  the
• 16:31
  book
• 16:32
  and
• 16:32
  then
• 16:32
  they
• 16:32
  use
• 16:32
  some
• 16:33
  of
• 16:33
  the
• 16:33
  graphics
• 16:33
  from
• 16:33
  the
• 16:34
  book
• 16:34
  to
• 16:34
  build
• 16:34
  their
• 16:35
  website.
• 16:35
  That's
• 16:35
  what
• 16:35
  we
• 16:36
  did.
• 16:36
  Yeah.
• 16:36
  And
• 16:37
  I
• 16:37
  think
• 16:37
  that's
• 16:37
  a
• 16:37
  great
• 16:37
  way
• 16:37
  to
• 16:37
  do
• 16:38
  it.
• 16:38
  You
• 16:38
  don't
• 16:38
  have
• 16:38
  to
• 16:38
  have
• 16:39
  all
• 16:39
  the
• 16:40
  blog
• 16:40
  posts
• 16:40
  and
• 16:41
  such.
• 16:41
  Like
• 16:41
  I
• 16:41
  have,
• 16:41
  I
• 16:42
  just
• 16:42
  had
• 16:42
  that,
• 16:42
  some
• 16:43
  of
• 16:43
  that
• 16:43
  beforehand.
• 16:44
  Yeah,
• 16:44
  but
• 16:44
  you
• 16:44
  also
• 16:45
  have
• 16:45
  some
• 16:45
  fun
• 16:45
  videos.
• 16:46
  Yeah.
• 16:47
  So
• 16:47
  when
• 16:47
  I
• 16:47
  launched
• 16:48
  my
• 16:48
  book,
• 16:48
  I've
• 16:49
  been.
• 16:49
  Or
• 16:49
  before
• 16:50
  I
• 16:50
  launched
• 16:50
  my
• 16:50
  book,
• 16:51
  I
• 16:51
  was
• 16:51
  trying
• 16:51
  to
• 16:51
  build
• 16:52
  my
• 16:52
  audience
• 16:52
  and
• 16:53
  so
• 16:53
  I
• 16:53
  tried
• 16:54
  a
• 16:54
  lot
• 16:54
  of
• 16:54
  different
• 16:54
  things
• 16:55
  like
• 16:56
  a
• 16:56
  variety
• 16:57
  of
• 16:57
  social
• 16:57
  media
• 16:58
  posts
• 16:58
  and
• 16:59
  things
• 16:59
  like
• 16:59
  that.
• 17:00
  I
• 17:00
  did
• 17:00
  some
• 17:01
  Facebook
• 17:02
  advertising
• 17:03
  and
• 17:04
  I
• 17:04
  did
• 17:05
  a
• 17:05
  YouTube
• 17:05
  YouTube
• 17:06
  channel.
• 17:06
  And
• 17:07
  so
• 17:07
  I
• 17:07
  was
• 17:07
  chronicling
• 17:08
  my
• 17:08
  process
• 17:09
  of
• 17:09
  making
• 17:10
  my
• 17:10
  book
• 17:10
  on
• 17:11
  my
• 17:11
  YouTube
• 17:11
  channel
• 17:12
  which
• 17:12
  people
• 17:12
  can
• 17:13
  watch
• 17:14
  if
• 17:14
  they're
• 17:14
  interested
• 17:14
  in
• 17:15
  learning
• 17:15
  how
• 17:15
  I
• 17:15
  did
• 17:16
  it
• 17:16
  more.
• 17:17
  But
• 17:17
  yeah,
• 17:17
  it's
• 17:18
  been
• 17:18
  fun.
• 17:18
  And
• 17:18
  then
• 17:18
  I
• 17:18
  decided
• 17:19
  to
• 17:19
  start
• 17:19
  making
• 17:20
  some
• 17:20
  videos,
• 17:21
  like
• 17:21
  kid
• 17:21
  related
• 17:22
  videos
• 17:23
  because
• 17:23
  I
• 17:23
  used
• 17:23
  to
• 17:24
  teach
• 17:24
  preschool
• 17:24
  too
• 17:25
  and
• 17:25
  because
• 17:26
  my
• 17:26
  books
• 17:26
  are
• 17:26
  for
• 17:26
  a
• 17:26
  preschool
• 17:27
  market,
• 17:28
  I
• 17:29
  thought
• 17:29
  that
• 17:29
  would
• 17:29
  be
• 17:29
  fun
• 17:30
  to
• 17:30
  have
• 17:30
  on
• 17:30
  there.
• 17:31
  Good
• 17:31
  for
• 17:31
  you.
• 17:32
  It's
• 17:32
  nice
• 17:32
  when
• 17:32
  that,
• 17:33
  when
• 17:33
  you
• 17:33
  can
• 17:33
  develop
• 17:34
  a
• 17:34
  website
• 17:34
  and
• 17:35
  you
• 17:35
  got
• 17:35
  some
• 17:35
  engagement
• 17:36
  so
• 17:36
  people
• 17:37
  go
• 17:37
  there
• 17:37
  and
• 17:37
  they
• 17:37
  can
• 17:38
  definitely
• 17:38
  be
• 17:38
  engaged
• 17:39
  and
• 17:39
  they
• 17:39
  get
• 17:39
  to
• 17:39
  you
• 17:40
  too.
• 17:40
  So
• 17:40
  that's
• 17:41
  cool
• 17:41
  because
• 17:42
  having
• 17:42
  it
• 17:43
  having
• 17:43
  video
• 17:43
  and
• 17:44
  getting
• 17:44
  to
• 17:44
  know
• 17:44
  you.
• 17:45
  And
• 17:46
  I'm
• 17:47
  curious
• 17:47
  to
• 17:48
  tell
• 17:48
  us
• 17:48
  a
• 17:49
  little
• 17:49
  bit
• 17:49
  because
• 17:49
  like
• 17:50
  you
• 17:50
  said,
• 17:50
  you
• 17:50
  had
• 17:50
  your
• 17:51
  website
• 17:51
  in
• 17:52
  advance
• 17:52
  of
• 17:53
  even
• 17:53
  becoming
• 17:53
  a
• 17:54
  children's
• 17:54
  book
• 17:54
  author.
• 17:55
  So
• 17:56
  talk
• 17:56
  to
• 17:57
  us
• 17:57
  about
• 17:57
  the
• 17:58
  changes
• 17:58
  that
• 17:59
  you
• 17:59
  had
• 17:59
  to
• 17:59
  make
• 18:00
  as
• 18:00
  you
• 18:01
  went
• 18:01
  through
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  process
• 18:02
  to
• 18:03
  your
• 18:03
  web.
• 18:03
  I
• 18:04
  did
• 18:04
  set
• 18:04
  up
• 18:04
  an
• 18:05
  online
• 18:05
  shop
• 18:05
  which
• 18:06
  I
• 18:06
  hadn't
• 18:06
  done
• 18:06
  before.
• 18:07
  I
• 18:07
  used
• 18:08
  Shopify,
• 18:09
  but
• 18:10
  I
• 18:10
  think
• 18:11
  it's
• 18:11
  too
• 18:11
  expensive.
• 18:12
  So
• 18:12
  I
• 18:12
  might
• 18:12
  be
• 18:13
  looking
• 18:13
  like
• 18:14
  I
• 18:14
  bought
• 18:14
  it
• 18:14
  for
• 18:14
  a
• 18:14
  year
• 18:15
  so
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  might
• 18:15
  be
• 18:16
  looking
• 18:16
  at
• 18:16
  a
• 18:16
  different
• 18:16
  solution
• 18:18
  after
• 18:19
  for
• 18:19
  next
• 18:19
  year.
• 18:20
  But
• 18:20
  I
• 18:20
  set
• 18:21
  up
• 18:21
  like
• 18:21
  a
• 18:21
  shop
• 18:22
  and
• 18:23
  so
• 18:23
  I
• 18:23
  could
• 18:23
  have
• 18:23
  my
• 18:23
  book
• 18:24
  and
• 18:24
  sell
• 18:24
  it
• 18:24
  online
• 18:25
  easily.
• 18:26
  And
• 18:27
  I
• 18:27
  just
• 18:28
  had,
• 18:28
  I
• 18:28
  created
• 18:28
  a
• 18:29
  few
• 18:29
  pages
• 18:29
  like
• 18:29
  I
• 18:30
  created
• 18:30
  a
• 18:30
  page
• 18:30
  that's
• 18:31
  just
• 18:31
  about
• 18:31
  my
• 18:31
  book
• 18:32
  that
• 18:33
  I
• 18:33
  can
• 18:33
  direct
• 18:34
  anybody
• 18:34
  to.
• 18:35
  If
• 18:35
  I'm
• 18:35
  talking
• 18:35
  to
• 18:36
  a
• 18:36
  bookstore
• 18:36
  or
• 18:36
  something,
• 18:37
  I
• 18:37
  can
• 18:37
  direct
• 18:37
  them
• 18:38
  to
• 18:38
  that
• 18:38
  page
• 18:38
  and
• 18:38
  it
• 18:39
  has
• 18:39
  all
• 18:39
  the
• 18:39
  information
• 18:40
  like
• 18:41
  the
• 18:41
  Is
• 18:42
  Ben
• 18:42
  numbers
• 18:43
  and
• 18:43
  the
• 18:43
  blurb
• 18:44
  about
• 18:44
  the
• 18:44
  book
• 18:44
  and
• 18:45
  about
• 18:45
  me
• 18:45
  and
• 18:46
  stuff
• 18:46
  like
• 18:46
  that.
• 18:46
  Fantastic.
• 18:47
  When
• 18:48
  you
• 18:48
  launched
• 18:48
  your
• 18:49
  website
• 18:49
  now
• 18:51
  because
• 18:51
  you're
• 18:51
  an
• 18:51
  illustrator,
• 18:52
  a
• 18:52
  graphic
• 18:53
  artist,
• 18:53
  did
• 18:53
  you
• 18:53
  do
• 18:54
  all
• 18:54
  the
• 18:54
  work
• 18:54
  yourself?
• 18:55
  Did
• 18:56
  you
• 18:56
  have
• 18:56
  web
• 18:56
  design
• 18:57
  skills?
• 18:58
  I
• 18:58
  did
• 18:59
  do
• 18:59
  all
• 18:59
  of
• 18:59
  it
• 18:59
  myself.
• 19:00
  So
• 19:00
  I'm
• 19:00
  like
• 19:01
  a
• 19:01
  one
• 19:01
  man
• 19:01
  shop
• 19:02
  here.
• 19:02
  Right.
• 19:03
  But
• 19:04
  I
• 19:04
  just
• 19:04
  wanted
• 19:04
  everybody
• 19:05
  to
• 19:05
  know
• 19:05
  that
• 19:05
  they
• 19:06
  can
• 19:06
  hire
• 19:07
  out
• 19:07
  different
• 19:08
  parts
• 19:08
  of
• 19:08
  this
• 19:09
  process.
• 19:09
  They
• 19:09
  don't
• 19:10
  have
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  do
• 19:10
  it
• 19:10
  all
• 19:10
  like
• 19:11
  I
• 19:11
  did.
• 19:11
  I
• 19:12
  just
• 19:12
  happened
• 19:12
  to
• 19:12
  have
• 19:13
  a
• 19:13
  lot
• 19:13
  of
• 19:14
  the
• 19:14
  skills
• 19:14
  that
• 19:15
  I
• 19:15
  needed
• 19:15
  to
• 19:15
  do
• 19:16
  this
• 19:17
  myself.
• 19:17
  It's
• 19:18
  nice
• 19:18
  because
• 19:18
  I've
• 19:18
  talked
• 19:19
  to
• 19:20
  several
• 19:20
  people
• 19:22
  and
• 19:23
  it's
• 19:23
  interesting
• 19:24
  when
• 19:25
  I
• 19:25
  talk
• 19:25
  to
• 19:25
  them
• 19:26
  about
• 19:26
  their
• 19:26
  website
• 19:27
  and
• 19:28
  most
• 19:28
  of
• 19:29
  them
• 19:29
  don't
• 19:29
  have
• 19:30
  illustration
• 19:30
  and
• 19:31
  graphic
• 19:31
  artist
• 19:31
  skills.
• 19:32
  I
• 19:32
  think
• 19:32
  you
• 19:32
  can
• 19:33
  find
• 19:33
  someone
• 19:34
  locally
• 19:34
  in
• 19:35
  a
• 19:35
  lot
• 19:35
  of
• 19:35
  cases
• 19:36
  that
• 19:36
  can
• 19:36
  help
• 19:36
  you.
• 19:37
  And
• 19:37
  again
• 19:37
  doesn't
• 19:38
  have.
• 19:38
  It's
• 19:38
  not
• 19:39
  really
• 19:40
  expensive
• 19:41
  to
• 19:41
  hire
• 19:42
  those
• 19:42
  skills
• 19:43
  just
• 19:43
  so
• 19:43
  everyone
• 19:43
  knows.
• 19:44
  But
• 19:44
  if
• 19:45
  you
• 19:45
  have
• 19:45
  them,
• 19:45
  definitely
• 19:46
  use
• 19:46
  them
• 19:47
  for
• 19:47
  sure.
• 19:48
  And
• 19:49
  I
• 19:49
  know
• 19:50
  you
• 19:50
  talked
• 19:50
  about
• 19:51
  Shopify
• 19:52
  and
• 19:53
  because
• 19:53
  I've
• 19:53
  talked
• 19:54
  to
• 19:54
  different
• 19:54
  people.
• 19:55
  Some
• 19:55
  people
• 19:55
  love
• 19:56
  Shopify
• 19:57
  because
• 19:57
  of.
• 19:58
  It's
• 19:58
  a,
• 19:58
  it's
• 19:59
  really
• 19:59
  a
• 19:59
  one
• 19:59
  stop
• 20:00
  shop
• 20:01
  in
• 20:01
  terms
• 20:02
  of
• 20:02
  they
• 20:02
  do
• 20:03
  all
• 20:03
  the,
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  entire
• 20:05
  process
• 20:06
  including
• 20:06
  collecting
• 20:07
  the
• 20:07
  money.
• 20:07
  Then
• 20:08
  I've
• 20:08
  talked
• 20:08
  to
• 20:08
  some
• 20:09
  authors
• 20:09
  who
• 20:10
  use.
• 20:10
  It's
• 20:10
  called
• 20:11
  Printful
• 20:12
  and
• 20:12
  they
• 20:13
  do
• 20:13
  exactly
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  same
• 20:14
  as
• 20:14
  Shopify
• 20:15
  but
• 20:15
  they
• 20:15
  don't
• 20:16
  collect
• 20:16
  the
• 20:16
  money.
• 20:17
  Oh,
• 20:17
  okay.
• 20:18
  And
• 20:18
  so
• 20:18
  you
• 20:18
  still
• 20:19
  have
• 20:19
  to
• 20:19
  have
• 20:19
  a
• 20:19
  money
• 20:20
  collecting.
• 20:21
  Exactly.
• 20:22
  So
• 20:22
  at
• 20:22
  the
• 20:22
  end
• 20:22
  of
• 20:22
  the
• 20:23
  day
• 20:23
  I
• 20:23
  was
• 20:23
  thinking
• 20:24
  so
• 20:24
  you,
• 20:25
  you
• 20:25
  still
• 20:25
  have
• 20:25
  to.
• 20:26
  Then
• 20:26
  you've
• 20:26
  got
• 20:27
  instead
• 20:27
  of
• 20:27
  one
• 20:28
  stop
• 20:28
  shop
• 20:29
  you've
• 20:29
  now
• 20:30
  you
• 20:30
  still
• 20:30
  have
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  collect
• 20:31
  the
• 20:31
  money.
• 20:31
  So
• 20:32
  I'm
• 20:32
  not
• 20:32
  quite
• 20:32
  sure
• 20:33
  I.
• 20:34
  We
• 20:34
  haven't
• 20:34
  leaned
• 20:34
  towards
• 20:35
  one
• 20:35
  or
• 20:35
  the
• 20:36
  other
• 20:36
  yet.
• 20:36
  But
• 20:36
  I'm
• 20:37
  again,
• 20:37
  I'm
• 20:37
  trying
• 20:38
  to
• 20:38
  share
• 20:38
  with
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  audience,
• 20:39
  make
• 20:39
  sure
• 20:39
  you
• 20:40
  do
• 20:40
  your
• 20:40
  research,
• 20:41
  understand
• 20:42
  how
• 20:42
  much
• 20:42
  time
• 20:42
  you
• 20:42
  want
• 20:43
  to
• 20:43
  put
• 20:43
  into
• 20:43
  it.
• 20:44
  Because
• 20:44
  like
• 20:45
  Charlotte,
• 20:45
  we're
• 20:46
  a
• 20:46
  one
• 20:46
  man
• 20:47
  shop
• 20:47
  also.
• 20:48
  So
• 20:48
  it's
• 20:49
  always
• 20:50
  it's
• 20:50
  your
• 20:50
  time
• 20:50
  that
• 20:51
  you
• 20:51
  have
• 20:51
  to
• 20:51
  take
• 20:51
  into
• 20:52
  consideration.
• 20:53
  Yeah,
• 20:53
  I
• 20:53
  think
• 20:53
  that's
• 20:53
  the
• 20:54
  biggest
• 20:54
  thing
• 20:54
  about
• 20:55
  self
• 20:55
  publishing.
• 20:56
  There's
• 20:56
  a
• 20:56
  lot
• 20:57
  more
• 20:58
  jobs
• 20:59
  than
• 20:59
  you
• 20:59
  think
• 20:59
  there
• 21:00
  are.
• 21:00
  Exactly.
• 21:01
  And
• 21:02
  I
• 21:02
  want
• 21:02
  to
• 21:02
  talk
• 21:02
  to
• 21:02
  you
• 21:03
  about
• 21:03
  motivation.
• 21:04
  I
• 21:04
  know
• 21:04
  you
• 21:04
  mentioned
• 21:05
  your
• 21:05
  son
• 21:06
  when
• 21:06
  he
• 21:06
  was
• 21:06
  three
• 21:07
  and
• 21:07
  the
• 21:07
  thunder
• 21:08
  and
• 21:08
  lightning
• 21:09
  and
• 21:09
  all
• 21:09
  that
• 21:09
  kind
• 21:09
  of
• 21:10
  Good
• 21:10
  stuff.
• 21:11
  Was
• 21:11
  there
• 21:11
  any
• 21:11
  other
• 21:12
  events
• 21:13
  that
• 21:13
  motivated
• 21:14
  you
• 21:14
  to
• 21:14
  say,
• 21:14
  you
• 21:14
  know
• 21:15
  what?
• 21:15
  I've
• 21:15
  had
• 21:16
  this
• 21:16
  because
• 21:16
  you
• 21:17
  talked
• 21:17
  a
• 21:17
  little
• 21:17
  bit
• 21:17
  about
• 21:18
  your
• 21:18
  background
• 21:18
  and
• 21:19
  about
• 21:19
  reaching
• 21:19
  out
• 21:20
  to
• 21:20
  traditional
• 21:21
  publishers,
• 21:21
  but
• 21:22
  tell
• 21:22
  us
• 21:22
  a
• 21:22
  little
• 21:23
  bit
• 21:23
  more
• 21:23
  about
• 21:23
  this
• 21:24
  whole.
• 21:25
  You
• 21:25
  finally
• 21:26
  said,
• 21:27
  I'm
• 21:27
  motivated
• 21:28
  enough
• 21:28
  to
• 21:28
  bring
• 21:28
  my
• 21:29
  book
• 21:29
  to
• 21:29
  life,
• 21:29
  so
• 21:30
  maybe
• 21:30
  go
• 21:30
  a
• 21:31
  bit
• 21:31
  deeper
• 21:31
  on
• 21:31
  that.
• 21:32
  Sure.
• 21:33
  So
• 21:33
  I've
• 21:33
  always
• 21:34
  enjoyed
• 21:34
  writing,
• 21:35
  but
• 21:35
  I.
• 21:36
  When
• 21:36
  I
• 21:37
  was
• 21:37
  pregnant
• 21:37
  with
• 21:37
  my
• 21:37
  daughter,
• 21:38
  and
• 21:38
  that
• 21:38
  was
• 21:39
  11
• 21:39
  years
• 21:39
  ago
• 21:40
  now,
• 21:40
  I
• 21:41
  started
• 21:42
  writing
• 21:42
  a
• 21:43
  novel.
• 21:44
  And
• 21:44
  so
• 21:44
  I
• 21:45
  like
• 21:45
  wrote
• 21:45
  this
• 21:45
  whole
• 21:46
  novel.
• 21:47
  And
• 21:47
  then
• 21:48
  I
• 21:48
  was
• 21:48
  like,
• 21:48
  I
• 21:48
  don't
• 21:48
  know
• 21:48
  what
• 21:49
  to
• 21:49
  do
• 21:49
  with
• 21:49
  this
• 21:49
  now
• 21:49
  that
• 21:49
  I
• 21:50
  wrote
• 21:50
  this
• 21:50
  novel.
• 21:52
  It
• 21:52
  was
• 21:52
  for
• 21:53
  teens.
• 21:53
  And
• 21:54
  so
• 21:54
  I
• 21:55
  started
• 21:55
  looking
• 21:55
  around
• 21:56
  at
• 21:57
  local
• 21:57
  writing
• 21:58
  groups
• 21:58
  to
• 21:59
  figure
• 22:00
  out
• 22:00
  what
• 22:01
  do
• 22:01
  I
• 22:01
  do
• 22:01
  now?
• 22:02
  And
• 22:02
  I
• 22:03
  found
• 22:03
  scbwi,
• 22:05
  which
• 22:05
  is
• 22:05
  the
• 22:06
  Society
• 22:06
  of
• 22:06
  Children's
• 22:07
  Book
• 22:07
  Writers
• 22:08
  and
• 22:08
  Illustrators.
• 22:09
  Yes,
• 22:09
  I
• 22:09
  am
• 22:09
  a
• 22:09
  member
• 22:10
  also.
• 22:10
  Our
• 22:11
  local
• 22:12
  group
• 22:12
  meets
• 22:13
  every
• 22:13
  month.
• 22:14
  And
• 22:14
  so
• 22:14
  I
• 22:15
  went
• 22:15
  to
• 22:15
  a
• 22:15
  few
• 22:15
  meetings
• 22:16
  and
• 22:17
  I
• 22:17
  met
• 22:18
  professional
• 22:18
  authors
• 22:19
  and
• 22:20
  illustrators
• 22:20
  who
• 22:21
  have
• 22:21
  published
• 22:21
  books
• 22:22
  and
• 22:22
  like
• 22:23
  it.
• 22:23
  It
• 22:23
  was
• 22:23
  a
• 22:24
  great.
• 22:24
  I've
• 22:25
  learned
• 22:25
  so
• 22:25
  much
• 22:26
  through
• 22:26
  all
• 22:27
  those
• 22:27
  men
• 22:28
  and
• 22:28
  women
• 22:28
  who
• 22:28
  are
• 22:29
  in
• 22:29
  that
• 22:29
  organization
• 22:30
  that,
• 22:31
  that.
• 22:32
  So
• 22:32
  I
• 22:33
  went
• 22:33
  through
• 22:34
  editing
• 22:34
  with
• 22:34
  my
• 22:35
  YA
• 22:36
  novel
• 22:36
  and
• 22:37
  wrote
• 22:37
  a
• 22:37
  few
• 22:38
  versions
• 22:38
  of
• 22:38
  it.
• 22:39
  And
• 22:39
  then
• 22:39
  I
• 22:39
  was
• 22:39
  like,
• 22:40
  no,
• 22:40
  I
• 22:40
  don't
• 22:40
  think
• 22:41
  this.
• 22:42
  And
• 22:43
  anyway,
• 22:43
  so
• 22:43
  I
• 22:43
  was
• 22:44
  trying
• 22:44
  write
• 22:45
  a
• 22:45
  few
• 22:45
  other
• 22:46
  things
• 22:46
  too,
• 22:47
  as
• 22:47
  I
• 22:47
  was
• 22:48
  inspired
• 22:48
  by
• 22:49
  SCBWI
• 22:50
  people
• 22:51
  and
• 22:51
  I
• 22:52
  wrote
• 22:52
  a
• 22:52
  few
• 22:52
  picture
• 22:53
  books
• 22:53
  and
• 22:55
  this
• 22:55
  is
• 22:55
  the
• 22:55
  one
• 22:55
  that
• 22:56
  I
• 22:56
  decided
• 22:56
  to
• 22:57
  really
• 22:57
  focus
• 22:57
  on
• 22:58
  first.
• 22:58
  But
• 22:58
  I
• 22:58
  have
• 22:58
  other
• 22:59
  ones
• 22:59
  that
• 23:00
  are
• 23:00
  coming
• 23:00
  down
• 23:00
  the
• 23:01
  pipe
• 23:01
  here.
• 23:01
  They
• 23:02
  part
• 23:02
  of
• 23:02
  a
• 23:02
  book
• 23:02
  series.
• 23:03
  A
• 23:03
  series.
• 23:03
  They're
• 23:03
  all
• 23:04
  standalone
• 23:05
  stories.
• 23:05
  But
• 23:06
  I
• 23:06
  just.
• 23:07
  So
• 23:07
  I
• 23:08
  was
• 23:08
  writing
• 23:08
  and
• 23:08
  I
• 23:09
  was
• 23:09
  sending
• 23:10
  out
• 23:10
  queries
• 23:11
  to
• 23:11
  agents
• 23:11
  because
• 23:12
  that's
• 23:12
  what
• 23:12
  you
• 23:12
  have
• 23:12
  to
• 23:12
  do
• 23:12
  if
• 23:13
  you
• 23:13
  want
• 23:13
  to
• 23:13
  get
• 23:13
  a
• 23:13
  big
• 23:14
  publisher.
• 23:14
  You
• 23:15
  first
• 23:15
  you
• 23:15
  get
• 23:15
  an
• 23:15
  agent
• 23:16
  and
• 23:16
  then
• 23:16
  the
• 23:16
  agent
• 23:16
  sends
• 23:17
  it
• 23:17
  out
• 23:17
  to
• 23:17
  the
• 23:17
  publisher.
• 23:18
  And
• 23:18
  then
• 23:19
  if
• 23:19
  a
• 23:19
  publisher
• 23:20
  likes
• 23:20
  it,
• 23:20
  they
• 23:20
  get
• 23:20
  back
• 23:21
  to
• 23:21
  you.
• 23:21
  And
• 23:21
  it's
• 23:22
  like
• 23:23
  a
• 23:23
  very
• 23:23
  long
• 23:24
  process
• 23:24
  and
• 23:25
  very
• 23:26
  frustrating
• 23:26
  after
• 23:27
  a
• 23:27
  while
• 23:27
  if
• 23:28
  you
• 23:28
  aren't
• 23:29
  getting
• 23:29
  the
• 23:29
  response
• 23:30
  you
• 23:30
  want.
• 23:31
  So
• 23:31
  I
• 23:32
  finally
• 23:33
  decided,
• 23:34
  why
• 23:35
  don't
• 23:35
  I
• 23:35
  just
• 23:35
  try
• 23:35
  and
• 23:35
  do
• 23:35
  it
• 23:36
  myself
• 23:36
  and
• 23:37
  we'll
• 23:38
  see
• 23:38
  how
• 23:38
  it
• 23:38
  goes.
• 23:39
  Also,
• 23:40
  like,
• 23:40
  I
• 23:41
  have
• 23:41
  two
• 23:41
  kids
• 23:41
  and
• 23:42
  I
• 23:42
  was
• 23:43
  doing
• 23:43
  other
• 23:43
  things
• 23:43
  too.
• 23:44
  This
• 23:44
  is
• 23:45
  just
• 23:45
  like
• 23:45
  a.
• 23:46
  This
• 23:46
  was
• 23:46
  a
• 23:46
  side
• 23:47
  project
• 23:47
  at
• 23:47
  the
• 23:47
  time.
• 23:48
  Now
• 23:48
  it's
• 23:48
  becoming
• 23:49
  more
• 23:49
  main
• 23:49
  project
• 23:50
  since
• 23:51
  I
• 23:51
  published
• 23:51
  it.
• 23:51
  And
• 23:52
  I
• 23:52
  want
• 23:52
  people
• 23:52
  to
• 23:53
  buy
• 23:53
  it.
• 23:53
  Right.
• 23:53
  But
• 23:54
  like
• 23:54
  all
• 23:54
  these.
• 23:55
  So
• 23:55
  it
• 23:55
  was
• 23:55
  years
• 23:56
  of
• 23:57
  different
• 23:57
  steps
• 23:58
  along
• 23:58
  the
• 23:58
  way
• 23:59
  before
• 23:59
  I
• 24:00
  published
• 24:00
  this
• 24:00
  book.
• 24:01
  You
• 24:01
  know
• 24:01
  what
• 24:01
  I
• 24:02
  find
• 24:02
  with
• 24:02
  a
• 24:02
  lot
• 24:02
  of
• 24:03
  children's
• 24:03
  book
• 24:04
  authors,
• 24:04
  I
• 24:05
  talked
• 24:05
  to
• 24:06
  one
• 24:06
  lady
• 24:07
  who
• 24:07
  lives
• 24:07
  just
• 24:07
  outside
• 24:08
  of
• 24:08
  Buffalo,
• 24:09
  New
• 24:09
  York,
• 24:09
  and
• 24:10
  she
• 24:11
  was
• 24:11
  a
• 24:11
  schoolteacher
• 24:12
  and
• 24:13
  she
• 24:13
  had
• 24:14
  this
• 24:14
  book
• 24:14
  in
• 24:14
  her,
• 24:15
  and
• 24:15
  she
• 24:15
  actually
• 24:16
  wrote
• 24:16
  it
• 24:16
  in
• 24:17
  the
• 24:17
  late
• 24:17
  80s
• 24:18
  and
• 24:19
  then
• 24:19
  waited
• 24:20
  almost
• 24:20
  for
• 24:21
  retirement
• 24:21
  to
• 24:21
  bring
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  book
• 24:22
  to
• 24:23
  life.
• 24:23
  So
• 24:24
  everybody
• 24:25
  has
• 24:25
  their
• 24:25
  own
• 24:26
  approach.
• 24:26
  It's
• 24:27
  the
• 24:27
  same
• 24:27
  with
• 24:27
  what
• 24:28
  happened
• 24:28
  with
• 24:28
  myself
• 24:28
  and
• 24:29
  my
• 24:29
  oldest
• 24:29
  granddaughter.
• 24:30
  It
• 24:30
  took
• 24:31
  us
• 24:31
  probably
• 24:32
  eight
• 24:32
  years
• 24:32
  before
• 24:33
  we
• 24:33
  actually
• 24:34
  brought
• 24:34
  our
• 24:34
  first
• 24:35
  book
• 24:35
  to
• 24:35
  life.
• 24:35
  It's
• 24:36
  interesting
• 24:36
  how
• 24:36
  it
• 24:37
  goes
• 24:37
  along
• 24:37
  for
• 24:38
  everyone.
• 24:38
  Yeah.
• 24:39
  And
• 24:39
  I
• 24:39
  think
• 24:40
  it's
• 24:40
  so
• 24:40
  cool
• 24:41
  now
• 24:41
  in
• 24:41
  this
• 24:42
  time
• 24:43
  that
• 24:43
  we
• 24:43
  live
• 24:44
  in,
• 24:44
  that
• 24:44
  we
• 24:44
  can
• 24:45
  publish
• 24:46
  ourselves,
• 24:47
  because
• 24:47
  this
• 24:48
  was
• 24:48
  not
• 24:48
  something
• 24:49
  that
• 24:49
  people
• 24:49
  could
• 24:50
  do
• 24:50
  in
• 24:51
  years
• 24:51
  past.
• 24:52
  Right.
• 24:52
  You
• 24:52
  either
• 24:53
  got
• 24:53
  picked
• 24:54
  by
• 24:54
  the
• 24:54
  big
• 24:54
  publishers
• 24:55
  or
• 24:55
  you
• 24:56
  just
• 24:56
  don't
• 24:57
  become
• 24:57
  an
• 24:57
  author.
• 24:58
  The
• 24:58
  book
• 24:59
  sat
• 24:59
  in
• 24:59
  the
• 24:59
  drawer.
• 25:00
  Yeah.
• 25:00
  But
• 25:01
  now
• 25:01
  you
• 25:01
  don't
• 25:01
  have
• 25:01
  to
• 25:01
  write
• 25:02
  the
• 25:02
  book
• 25:02
  that
• 25:02
  will
• 25:03
  sell
• 25:03
  10
• 25:04
  million
• 25:04
  copies.
• 25:05
  You
• 25:05
  could
• 25:05
  write
• 25:06
  for
• 25:06
  your
• 25:06
  local
• 25:06
  area,
• 25:07
  get
• 25:08
  published
• 25:08
  and
• 25:09
  sell
• 25:09
  it
• 25:09
  to
• 25:10
  your
• 25:10
  local
• 25:11
  friends
• 25:11
  and
• 25:11
  family
• 25:12
  and
• 25:12
  neighbors
• 25:13
  and.
• 25:14
  Yeah,
• 25:14
  absolutely.
• 25:15
  And
• 25:15
  you
• 25:16
  having
• 25:16
  the
• 25:16
  skill.
• 25:17
  It's.
• 25:17
  It's
• 25:17
  interesting
• 25:18
  because
• 25:18
  I've
• 25:18
  talked
• 25:19
  to
• 25:19
  a
• 25:19
  lot
• 25:19
  of
• 25:19
  children's
• 25:20
  book
• 25:20
  authors.
• 25:21
  Most
• 25:21
  have.
• 25:22
  They
• 25:22
  write
• 25:22
  the
• 25:23
  book,
• 25:23
  but
• 25:23
  they
• 25:24
  hire
• 25:24
  an
• 25:24
  illustrator.
• 25:26
  And
• 25:26
  I
• 25:26
  talked
• 25:27
  to
• 25:27
  a
• 25:27
  mom
• 25:28
  and
• 25:28
  son.
• 25:29
  He's
• 25:29
  the
• 25:30
  illustrator
• 25:30
  and
• 25:31
  she's
• 25:32
  the
• 25:32
  co
• 25:33
  author.
• 25:34
  And
• 25:34
  that's
• 25:35
  about
• 25:35
  as
• 25:35
  close
• 25:35
  as
• 25:35
  I've
• 25:36
  gotten
• 25:36
  so
• 25:36
  far.
• 25:37
  So
• 25:37
  you're
• 25:38
  my
• 25:38
  first
• 25:38
  guest
• 25:38
  who's
• 25:39
  actually
• 25:39
  the
• 25:40
  author
• 25:40
  and
• 25:40
  the
• 25:41
  illustrator.
• 25:42
  So
• 25:42
  tell
• 25:42
  us
• 25:42
  a
• 25:42
  little
• 25:43
  bit
• 25:43
  about
• 25:43
  that
• 25:43
  process.
• 25:44
  The
• 25:45
  illustration
• 25:45
  process
• 25:46
  is
• 25:46
  a
• 25:46
  whole
• 25:46
  nother
• 25:47
  thing.
• 25:47
  I
• 25:47
  feel
• 25:47
  like
• 25:48
  I
• 25:48
  can
• 25:48
  write
• 25:48
  a
• 25:48
  book
• 25:49
  fairly
• 25:50
  quickly,
• 25:50
  but
• 25:51
  the
• 25:51
  illustration
• 25:52
  takes
• 25:53
  months
• 25:53
  and
• 25:53
  months
• 25:54
  to
• 25:55
  do,
• 25:55
  every
• 25:55
  one,
• 25:56
  because
• 25:56
  you
• 25:57
  got
• 25:57
  32
• 25:58
  pages
• 25:58
  in
• 25:58
  a
• 25:58
  book,
• 25:59
  so
• 25:59
  in
• 25:59
  a
• 25:59
  picture
• 26:00
  book,
• 26:00
  and
• 26:00
  then
• 26:00
  do
• 26:00
  a
• 26:00
  picture
• 26:01
  or
• 26:01
  more
• 26:02
  multiple
• 26:02
  pictures
• 26:02
  on
• 26:03
  each
• 26:03
  of
• 26:03
  those
• 26:03
  pages.
• 26:04
  And
• 26:04
  you
• 26:04
  gotta
• 26:04
  think
• 26:05
  of
• 26:05
  how
• 26:06
  to
• 26:06
  add
• 26:07
  more
• 26:07
  to
• 26:07
  the
• 26:08
  story
• 26:08
  with
• 26:08
  the
• 26:09
  pictures
• 26:09
  than
• 26:10
  what
• 26:10
  the
• 26:10
  words
• 26:10
  are
• 26:10
  even
• 26:11
  saying.
• 26:11
  So
• 26:12
  did
• 26:12
  you
• 26:12
  write
• 26:12
  the
• 26:13
  book
• 26:13
  first
• 26:13
  or
• 26:14
  did
• 26:14
  you.
• 26:14
  Was
• 26:15
  it
• 26:15
  a
• 26:15
  combination
• 26:16
  or
• 26:16
  how
• 26:16
  did
• 26:17
  your
• 26:17
  book
• 26:17
  come
• 26:17
  to
• 26:17
  life?
• 26:18
  Was
• 26:18
  it
• 26:18
  a
• 26:18
  visualization?
• 26:19
  Because
• 26:20
  being
• 26:20
  an
• 26:20
  illustrator,
• 26:21
  I'm
• 26:21
  sure
• 26:21
  you're
• 26:21
  very
• 26:21
  visual.
• 26:22
  Yeah.
• 26:23
  So
• 26:23
  I
• 26:24
  write
• 26:24
  first,
• 26:25
  but
• 26:25
  I
• 26:25
  know
• 26:25
  some
• 26:26
  illustrators,
• 26:27
  they'll
• 26:27
  draw
• 26:28
  a
• 26:28
  picture
• 26:28
  first
• 26:28
  and
• 26:29
  then
• 26:29
  come
• 26:29
  up
• 26:29
  with
• 26:29
  a
• 26:30
  story
• 26:30
  that
• 26:30
  goes
• 26:30
  with
• 26:30
  it.
• 26:31
  But
• 26:31
  my
• 26:31
  process
• 26:32
  is
• 26:32
  that
• 26:32
  I
• 26:33
  write
• 26:33
  the
• 26:33
  story
• 26:33
  out.
• 26:34
  So
• 26:34
  I
• 26:35
  write
• 26:35
  first
• 26:36
  and
• 26:36
  then
• 26:36
  I
• 26:37
  break
• 26:38
  it
• 26:38
  up
• 26:38
  into
• 26:38
  pages.
• 26:39
  So
• 26:40
  you
• 26:40
  have
• 26:40
  to
• 26:41
  take
• 26:41
  the
• 26:41
  story
• 26:41
  and
• 26:42
  make
• 26:42
  sure
• 26:42
  that
• 26:43
  there's
• 26:44
  places
• 26:44
  where
• 26:44
  the
• 26:44
  kid
• 26:45
  just
• 26:45
  wants
• 26:45
  to
• 26:45
  turn
• 26:45
  the
• 26:46
  page
• 26:46
  to
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  next
• 26:47
  page.
• 26:47
  Like,
• 26:47
  you
• 26:47
  have
• 26:48
  to
• 26:48
  break
• 26:49
  the
• 26:49
  story
• 26:49
  into
• 26:50
  the.
• 26:50
  The
• 26:51
  chunks
• 26:51
  of
• 26:51
  the
• 26:52
  pages
• 26:53
  in
• 26:53
  order
• 26:53
  to
• 26:54
  make
• 26:54
  sure
• 26:55
  it's
• 26:55
  still
• 26:55
  moving,
• 26:56
  that
• 26:56
  you're
• 26:56
  not
• 26:56
  saying
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  same
• 26:57
  thing
• 26:58
  on
• 26:58
  multiple
• 26:59
  pages.
• 26:59
  Yeah,
• 27:00
  because
• 27:00
  you
• 27:00
  don't
• 27:00
  want
• 27:00
  the
• 27:01
  picture
• 27:01
  to
• 27:01
  be
• 27:01
  the
• 27:01
  same
• 27:02
  on
• 27:02
  this
• 27:02
  page.
• 27:03
  And
• 27:03
  then
• 27:03
  you
• 27:03
  turn
• 27:03
  the
• 27:03
  page
• 27:03
  and
• 27:04
  it's
• 27:04
  the
• 27:04
  same
• 27:04
  picture.
• 27:05
  You
• 27:05
  got
• 27:05
  to
• 27:05
  make
• 27:05
  sure
• 27:05
  it's
• 27:06
  going
• 27:06
  to
• 27:06
  be
• 27:06
  something
• 27:06
  different.
• 27:07
  Talk
• 27:07
  to
• 27:07
  us
• 27:07
  about
• 27:08
  your
• 27:08
  main
• 27:08
  character,
• 27:09
  Axel.
• 27:09
  How
• 27:10
  did
• 27:10
  you
• 27:10
  come
• 27:10
  up
• 27:10
  with
• 27:10
  the
• 27:11
  character
• 27:11
  development?
• 27:12
  Oh,
• 27:13
  so
• 27:13
  like
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  illustration
• 27:14
  design?
• 27:15
  Yeah,
• 27:15
  I
• 27:15
  mean,
• 27:15
  he's
• 27:16
  got
• 27:16
  a
• 27:16
  full.
• 27:16
  Head
• 27:17
  of
• 27:17
  hair
• 27:17
  and
• 27:18
  it's
• 27:18
  like
• 27:18
  red,
• 27:19
  curly
• 27:20
  hair.
• 27:21
  And
• 27:22
  so
• 27:22
  I
• 27:22
  picked
• 27:23
  that
• 27:24
  because
• 27:24
  his
• 27:25
  imagination
• 27:26
  is
• 27:26
  like
• 27:26
  the
• 27:27
  main
• 27:27
  thing
• 27:28
  about
• 27:28
  this
• 27:28
  story.
• 27:29
  He
• 27:30
  imagines
• 27:31
  there's
• 27:31
  trucks
• 27:32
  up
• 27:32
  in
• 27:32
  the
• 27:32
  sky
• 27:33
  causing
• 27:34
  the
• 27:34
  loud
• 27:35
  thunders
• 27:36
  and
• 27:36
  lightning
• 27:36
  and
• 27:37
  all
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  scary
• 27:38
  parts
• 27:38
  of
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  storm.
• 27:39
  But
• 27:39
  then
• 27:39
  he
• 27:39
  imagines
• 27:40
  it's
• 27:40
  construction
• 27:41
  trucks
• 27:41
  working
• 27:41
  and
• 27:42
  building
• 27:42
  something,
• 27:43
  and
• 27:43
  so
• 27:43
  then
• 27:43
  it's
• 27:43
  not
• 27:43
  as
• 27:44
  scary.
• 27:44
  But
• 27:45
  since
• 27:45
  it's
• 27:45
  all
• 27:45
  about
• 27:46
  his
• 27:46
  imagination
• 27:47
  overcoming
• 27:48
  his
• 27:48
  fear,
• 27:49
  I
• 27:50
  wanted
• 27:50
  his
• 27:51
  design
• 27:51
  to
• 27:52
  also
• 27:52
  reflect
• 27:53
  that.
• 27:53
  And
• 27:53
  so
• 27:53
  his
• 27:54
  hair
• 27:54
  is
• 27:54
  like
• 27:55
  a
• 27:55
  cloud
• 27:55
  and
• 27:56
  a
• 27:56
  thought
• 27:56
  bubble.
• 27:57
  Oh,
• 27:57
  yeah.
• 27:58
  Awesome.
• 27:59
  And
• 27:59
  so
• 27:59
  tell
• 27:59
  us
• 28:00
  the
• 28:00
  significance.
• 28:01
  Now,
• 28:01
  I'm
• 28:01
  sure
• 28:02
  everybody's
• 28:02
  saying
• 28:03
  Axel,
• 28:03
  I
• 28:04
  get
• 28:04
  it.
• 28:04
  But
• 28:05
  is
• 28:05
  there
• 28:05
  more
• 28:05
  to
• 28:06
  ax
• 28:06
  the
• 28:06
  name
• 28:07
  Axle
• 28:07
  than
• 28:08
  just
• 28:08
  the
• 28:09
  reference
• 28:09
  to
• 28:10
  axles
• 28:10
  on
• 28:10
  a
• 28:10
  vehicle?
• 28:11
  No,
• 28:12
  I
• 28:12
  just
• 28:12
  wanted
• 28:12
  a
• 28:13
  name
• 28:13
  that
• 28:13
  was
• 28:13
  like
• 28:14
  name
• 28:15
  that
• 28:15
  a
• 28:15
  kid
• 28:15
  could
• 28:15
  be
• 28:16
  named
• 28:16
  right
• 28:16
  now,
• 28:17
  but
• 28:17
  also
• 28:18
  a
• 28:18
  truck
• 28:18
  related
• 28:19
  kind
• 28:19
  of
• 28:19
  name.
• 28:20
  Okay.
• 28:20
  And
• 28:20
  I
• 28:20
  originally,
• 28:21
  in
• 28:21
  the
• 28:21
  original
• 28:22
  version
• 28:23
  of
• 28:23
  the
• 28:23
  story,
• 28:23
  he
• 28:24
  had
• 28:24
  a
• 28:24
  brother.
• 28:25
  And
• 28:25
  so
• 28:26
  like,
• 28:26
  their
• 28:26
  names
• 28:27
  reflected
• 28:27
  both
• 28:27
  of
• 28:27
  them.
• 28:28
  But
• 28:28
  then
• 28:28
  in
• 28:29
  editing,
• 28:30
  we
• 28:30
  took
• 28:31
  out
• 28:31
  the
• 28:31
  brother
• 28:31
  so
• 28:32
  it
• 28:32
  wouldn't
• 28:32
  be
• 28:32
  like
• 28:32
  two
• 28:33
  storylines
• 28:34
  that
• 28:34
  are
• 28:34
  conflicting
• 28:35
  with
• 28:35
  each
• 28:35
  other.
• 28:35
  Tried
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  just
• 28:36
  keep
• 28:36
  it
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  the
• 28:37
  Axel
• 28:37
  and
• 28:37
  the
• 28:37
  trucks.
• 28:38
  Okay.
• 28:38
  Describe
• 28:39
  to
• 28:40
  the
• 28:40
  audience
• 28:40
  the
• 28:41
  underlying
• 28:41
  theme
• 28:42
  of
• 28:42
  your
• 28:42
  book
• 28:42
  in
• 28:43
  a
• 28:43
  few
• 28:43
  words.
• 28:44
  Sure.
• 28:44
  It's
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  story
• 28:45
  about
• 28:46
  Axel
• 28:47
  and
• 28:47
  his
• 28:48
  puppy
• 28:48
  who
• 28:49
  is
• 28:49
  a
• 28:49
  little
• 28:49
  boy
• 28:50
  who
• 28:50
  is
• 28:50
  afraid
• 28:50
  of
• 28:51
  thunderstorms.
• 28:52
  And
• 28:52
  then
• 28:53
  he
• 28:53
  imagines
• 28:54
  that
• 28:54
  the
• 28:55
  thunder
• 28:55
  is
• 28:56
  from
• 28:56
  construction
• 28:57
  trucks
• 28:58
  in
• 28:58
  the
• 28:58
  sky
• 28:58
  and
• 28:58
  he
• 28:59
  has
• 28:59
  to
• 28:59
  overcome
• 29:00
  his
• 29:00
  fear
• 29:01
  with
• 29:02
  his
• 29:02
  imagination.
• 29:03
  That's
• 29:03
  cool.
• 29:03
  And
• 29:04
  you
• 29:04
  said
• 29:04
  you
• 29:04
  had
• 29:04
  a
• 29:05
  teaching
• 29:05
  background.
• 29:06
  So
• 29:07
  tell
• 29:08
  us
• 29:08
  a
• 29:08
  little
• 29:08
  bit
• 29:08
  about
• 29:09
  the
• 29:09
  central
• 29:10
  lesson
• 29:10
  that
• 29:11
  you're
• 29:11
  hoping
• 29:12
  the
• 29:12
  book
• 29:13
  will
• 29:13
  deliver
• 29:13
  to
• 29:13
  other
• 29:14
  children.
• 29:14
  Okay.
• 29:15
  So
• 29:16
  part
• 29:16
  of
• 29:16
  the
• 29:16
  story
• 29:17
  is
• 29:17
  Axel.
• 29:19
  He
• 29:19
  is
• 29:20
  feeling
• 29:20
  a
• 29:20
  little
• 29:20
  better
• 29:21
  about
• 29:21
  the
• 29:21
  storm,
• 29:21
  but
• 29:22
  then
• 29:22
  his
• 29:22
  pup
• 29:22
  beats
• 29:23
  scared
• 29:24
  and
• 29:25
  he
• 29:25
  in
• 29:26
  turn
• 29:27
  comforts
• 29:27
  his
• 29:28
  puppy
• 29:29
  and
• 29:29
  helps
• 29:30
  his
• 29:30
  puppy
• 29:30
  get
• 29:30
  through
• 29:30
  the
• 29:31
  storm.
• 29:31
  And
• 29:32
  I
• 29:32
  wanted
• 29:32
  kids
• 29:33
  to
• 29:34
  come
• 29:34
  understanding
• 29:35
  that
• 29:36
  helping
• 29:37
  others
• 29:37
  is
• 29:37
  sometimes
• 29:38
  the
• 29:38
  way
• 29:38
  that
• 29:38
  we
• 29:39
  can
• 29:39
  get
• 29:40
  through
• 29:40
  struggles
• 29:41
  ourselves,
• 29:42
  but
• 29:42
  it
• 29:42
  wasn't.
• 29:43
  I
• 29:43
  try
• 29:43
  not
• 29:43
  to
• 29:43
  be
• 29:44
  didactic
• 29:44
  about
• 29:44
  it.
• 29:45
  I
• 29:45
  didn't
• 29:45
  want
• 29:45
  to
• 29:45
  just
• 29:46
  come
• 29:46
  out
• 29:46
  and
• 29:46
  say
• 29:46
  that
• 29:47
  I
• 29:47
  want
• 29:47
  them
• 29:47
  to
• 29:48
  make
• 29:48
  that
• 29:49
  connection
• 29:49
  themselves
• 29:50
  as
• 29:50
  they
• 29:50
  read
• 29:50
  the
• 29:50
  story.
• 29:51
  Excellent.
• 29:52
  Excellent.
• 29:53
  And
• 29:54
  I
• 29:54
  know
• 29:54
  you
• 29:54
  described
• 29:55
  your
• 29:55
  writing
• 29:56
  process
• 29:56
  a
• 29:56
  bit
• 29:57
  and
• 29:57
  also
• 29:58
  as
• 29:58
  an
• 29:58
  illustrator,
• 29:59
  you
• 29:59
  do
• 29:59
  the
• 29:59
  writing
• 30:00
  first
• 30:00
  and
• 30:01
  then
• 30:01
  the
• 30:01
  illustration.
• 30:02
  So
• 30:02
  tell
• 30:03
  us
• 30:03
  a
• 30:03
  little
• 30:03
  bit
• 30:03
  about
• 30:04
  your
• 30:04
  writing
• 30:04
  process.
• 30:05
  It
• 30:06
  all
• 30:06
  starts
• 30:06
  with
• 30:06
  an
• 30:06
  idea
• 30:07
  and
• 30:07
  then
• 30:08
  I.
• 30:08
  I
• 30:08
  can
• 30:08
  usually
• 30:09
  come
• 30:09
  up
• 30:09
  with
• 30:09
  a
• 30:10
  first
• 30:10
  draft
• 30:11
  without
• 30:11
  too
• 30:11
  much
• 30:12
  trouble
• 30:12
  for
• 30:12
  a
• 30:12
  picture
• 30:13
  book
• 30:13
  because
• 30:13
  that's
• 30:14
  500
• 30:15
  words
• 30:15
  or
• 30:15
  so.
• 30:16
  It's
• 30:16
  not
• 30:16
  really
• 30:16
  long.
• 30:17
  But
• 30:18
  then
• 30:18
  after
• 30:19
  that
• 30:19
  it's
• 30:20
  usually
• 30:20
  best
• 30:20
  to
• 30:22
  set
• 30:22
  it
• 30:22
  aside
• 30:22
  for
• 30:22
  a
• 30:23
  little
• 30:23
  while
• 30:23
  and
• 30:23
  then
• 30:24
  come
• 30:24
  back
• 30:24
  to
• 30:24
  it
• 30:24
  and
• 30:24
  look
• 30:25
  at
• 30:25
  it
• 30:25
  with
• 30:25
  fresh
• 30:25
  eyes.
• 30:26
  And
• 30:26
  then
• 30:26
  after
• 30:27
  I
• 30:27
  look
• 30:27
  at
• 30:27
  it
• 30:28
  again,
• 30:28
  I
• 30:29
  kind.
• 30:29
  I
• 30:29
  want
• 30:30
  to
• 30:30
  make
• 30:30
  sure
• 30:30
  that
• 30:30
  it's
• 30:31
  a
• 30:31
  real
• 30:32
  story
• 30:32
  arc.
• 30:33
  There's
• 30:33
  change
• 30:34
  from
• 30:34
  the
• 30:34
  character
• 30:35
  at
• 30:35
  the
• 30:35
  beginning
• 30:35
  to
• 30:36
  the
• 30:36
  end
• 30:36
  of
• 30:36
  the
• 30:36
  story
• 30:37
  and
• 30:38
  that
• 30:38
  there's
• 30:38
  actually
• 30:39
  conflict,
• 30:40
  there's
• 30:40
  actually
• 30:41
  problems
• 30:41
  that
• 30:41
  are.
• 30:42
  He's
• 30:43
  he
• 30:43
  or
• 30:43
  she
• 30:43
  is
• 30:43
  facing
• 30:44
  and
• 30:44
  then
• 30:44
  they
• 30:44
  have
• 30:44
  to
• 30:44
  overcome
• 30:45
  them.
• 30:46
  So
• 30:47
  look
• 30:47
  at
• 30:47
  the
• 30:47
  plot
• 30:48
  first.
• 30:48
  I
• 30:48
  would
• 30:48
  start
• 30:49
  with
• 30:49
  like
• 30:49
  big
• 30:49
  stuff
• 30:50
  like
• 30:50
  that
• 30:50
  to
• 30:51
  see
• 30:51
  if
• 30:51
  the
• 30:51
  story's
• 30:52
  actually
• 30:52
  working.
• 30:52
  Not
• 30:53
  worried
• 30:53
  about
• 30:54
  the
• 30:54
  commas
• 30:55
  or
• 30:56
  each
• 30:56
  individual
• 30:57
  word
• 30:57
  to
• 30:57
  start
• 30:57
  with.
• 30:58
  But
• 30:58
  then
• 30:58
  as
• 30:59
  you
• 30:59
  edit,
• 30:59
  you
• 30:59
  should,
• 31:00
  once
• 31:00
  you
• 31:00
  have
• 31:00
  a
• 31:01
  story,
• 31:01
  then
• 31:01
  start
• 31:02
  like
• 31:02
  tweaking
• 31:03
  the
• 31:03
  sentences
• 31:03
  and
• 31:04
  making
• 31:04
  them
• 31:04
  clearer
• 31:05
  and.
• 31:05
  Absolutely.
• 31:06
  And
• 31:07
  I
• 31:07
  know
• 31:07
  you
• 31:08
  Talked
• 31:08
  about
• 31:08
  your
• 31:09
  3
• 31:09
  year
• 31:09
  old
• 31:09
  son
• 31:10
  and
• 31:10
  drawing
• 31:10
  on
• 31:10
  your
• 31:11
  own
• 31:11
  personal
• 31:11
  experience
• 31:12
  was
• 31:13
  there
• 31:13
  when
• 31:14
  you
• 31:14
  started
• 31:14
  actually
• 31:15
  putting
• 31:16
  your
• 31:16
  thoughts
• 31:17
  to
• 31:17
  paper.
• 31:18
  Did
• 31:18
  you
• 31:18
  conduct
• 31:19
  any
• 31:20
  research
• 31:20
  on
• 31:21
  heavy
• 31:22
  equipment
• 31:22
  or
• 31:23
  did
• 31:24
  you
• 31:24
  do
• 31:25
  anything
• 31:25
  like
• 31:25
  that
• 31:26
  behind
• 31:26
  the
• 31:26
  scenes?
• 31:27
  No,
• 31:28
  I
• 31:28
  would
• 31:28
  say
• 31:28
  no.
• 31:28
  But
• 31:29
  I
• 31:30
  had
• 31:30
  been
• 31:30
  reading
• 31:31
  a
• 31:31
  lot
• 31:31
  of
• 31:32
  truck
• 31:32
  books
• 31:33
  to
• 31:33
  my
• 31:33
  son.
• 31:34
  Okay.
• 31:35
  I
• 31:35
  guess
• 31:35
  that
• 31:36
  counts
• 31:36
  as
• 31:36
  my
• 31:36
  research,
• 31:37
  but
• 31:38
  I
• 31:38
  didn't
• 31:38
  do
• 31:38
  specific
• 31:39
  research
• 31:40
  after.
• 31:41
  After
• 31:42
  the
• 31:42
  other
• 31:42
  books
• 31:42
  that
• 31:42
  I
• 31:42
  had
• 31:43
  been
• 31:43
  reading
• 31:43
  to
• 31:43
  him
• 31:43
  already.
• 31:45
  Okay.
• 31:45
  And
• 31:46
  I
• 31:46
  had
• 31:47
  to
• 31:47
  look
• 31:48
  and
• 31:49
  try
• 31:49
  and
• 31:49
  simplify
• 31:50
  trucks
• 31:50
  when
• 31:50
  I
• 31:50
  was
• 31:51
  illustrating
• 31:51
  them
• 31:52
  too.
• 31:52
  I
• 31:52
  was
• 31:52
  looking
• 31:53
  at
• 31:53
  things
• 31:53
  and
• 31:54
  I
• 31:54
  guess
• 31:55
  I
• 31:55
  was
• 31:55
  learning
• 31:55
  some
• 31:55
  things,
• 31:56
  but
• 31:56
  I
• 31:56
  didn't
• 31:57
  the
• 31:57
  trucks
• 31:58
  because
• 31:58
  I
• 31:59
  just.
• 31:59
  Want
• 31:59
  the
• 31:59
  audience
• 31:59
  to
• 32:00
  know
• 32:00
  that
• 32:00
  it's
• 32:00
  more
• 32:01
  than
• 32:01
  just
• 32:01
  trucks
• 32:02
  that
• 32:02
  you
• 32:02
  have
• 32:03
  as
• 32:03
  characters
• 32:04
  in
• 32:04
  the
• 32:04
  book.
• 32:04
  Also
• 32:05
  that
• 32:06
  you've
• 32:06
  got
• 32:06
  earth
• 32:07
  movers
• 32:07
  and
• 32:08
  things
• 32:08
  like
• 32:09
  that.
• 32:09
  Correct?
• 32:10
  Yes.
• 32:10
  There
• 32:10
  are
• 32:10
  different
• 32:11
  kind
• 32:11
  of
• 32:12
  construction
• 32:12
  trucks.
• 32:13
  So
• 32:13
  there's
• 32:13
  a
• 32:14
  crane,
• 32:14
  there's
• 32:15
  a
• 32:15
  bulldozer,
• 32:16
  there's
• 32:17
  excavator.
• 32:19
  Who
• 32:19
  else?
• 32:20
  A
• 32:20
  dump
• 32:21
  truck.
• 32:21
  And
• 32:21
  it's
• 32:21
  fun
• 32:22
  because
• 32:22
  when
• 32:22
  we
• 32:22
  were
• 32:22
  talking
• 32:23
  about
• 32:23
  earlier,
• 32:23
  about
• 32:24
  our
• 32:24
  sons
• 32:25
  or
• 32:25
  for
• 32:25
  in
• 32:26
  my
• 32:26
  case
• 32:26
  also
• 32:26
  my
• 32:27
  grandsons
• 32:27
  is
• 32:28
  they
• 32:29
  like
• 32:29
  to
• 32:29
  play
• 32:29
  with
• 32:30
  all
• 32:30
  types
• 32:30
  of
• 32:31
  trucks.
• 32:32
  Just
• 32:32
  not
• 32:32
  a
• 32:32
  dump
• 32:33
  truck
• 32:33
  or.
• 32:34
  Yeah,
• 32:35
  fantastic.
• 32:36
  When
• 32:36
  you
• 32:37
  started
• 32:37
  your
• 32:37
  book,
• 32:38
  it's
• 32:38
  interesting
• 32:38
  because
• 32:39
  again
• 32:39
  with
• 32:40
  you
• 32:40
  having
• 32:40
  your
• 32:41
  website
• 32:41
  and
• 32:42
  built
• 32:42
  and
• 32:42
  trying
• 32:42
  to
• 32:43
  build
• 32:43
  an
• 32:43
  Audience.
• 32:44
  And
• 32:44
  as
• 32:45
  you
• 32:45
  were
• 32:45
  going
• 32:45
  through
• 32:45
  that
• 32:46
  process
• 32:46
  and
• 32:46
  then
• 32:47
  you
• 32:47
  can't,
• 32:47
  you
• 32:48
  said,
• 32:48
  you
• 32:48
  know
• 32:48
  what?
• 32:49
  I
• 32:49
  can
• 32:49
  do
• 32:49
  this.
• 32:49
  I'm
• 32:50
  an
• 32:50
  illustrator.
• 32:51
  I
• 32:52
  have
• 32:52
  a
• 32:52
  great
• 32:52
  idea
• 32:53
  for
• 32:53
  a
• 32:53
  book.
• 32:54
  I'm
• 32:54
  going
• 32:54
  to
• 32:54
  finally
• 32:55
  launch
• 32:55
  my
• 32:56
  book.
• 32:56
  So
• 32:57
  when
• 32:57
  you
• 32:57
  did
• 32:57
  that,
• 32:58
  tell
• 32:59
  us
• 32:59
  a
• 32:59
  little
• 32:59
  bit
• 32:59
  about
• 33:00
  how
• 33:00
  you
• 33:01
  thought
• 33:01
  about
• 33:01
  measuring
• 33:02
  your
• 33:02
  success.
• 33:03
  That
• 33:04
  was
• 33:04
  probably
• 33:04
  a
• 33:04
  journey
• 33:05
  to
• 33:05
  figure
• 33:05
  out
• 33:06
  what
• 33:06
  I
• 33:07
  really
• 33:08
  wanted
• 33:08
  to
• 33:08
  accomplish
• 33:09
  through
• 33:09
  doing
• 33:10
  this
• 33:10
  because
• 33:10
  I
• 33:10
  knew
• 33:11
  that
• 33:12
  I
• 33:12
  probably
• 33:12
  wasn't
• 33:13
  going
• 33:13
  to
• 33:13
  sell
• 33:14
  bucket
• 33:15
  loads
• 33:15
  of
• 33:15
  books
• 33:15
  right
• 33:16
  away.
• 33:16
  It's
• 33:16
  more
• 33:17
  of
• 33:17
  a
• 33:17
  steady
• 33:18
  process.
• 33:19
  I
• 33:19
  think
• 33:20
  I
• 33:20
  have
• 33:20
  learned
• 33:21
  so
• 33:21
  much
• 33:22
  through
• 33:23
  this
• 33:23
  process
• 33:24
  that
• 33:25
  I'm
• 33:25
  glad
• 33:25
  I
• 33:25
  did
• 33:25
  it,
• 33:26
  even
• 33:26
  if
• 33:26
  I
• 33:26
  don't
• 33:26
  sell
• 33:27
  them
• 33:27
  all,
• 33:27
  because
• 33:28
  it's
• 33:28
  great.
• 33:29
  I've
• 33:29
  met
• 33:30
  bookstore
• 33:31
  owners,
• 33:32
  I've
• 33:32
  talked
• 33:32
  to
• 33:33
  different
• 33:34
  gift
• 33:34
  shops,
• 33:35
  and
• 33:36
  I've.
• 33:36
  I'm
• 33:37
  doing
• 33:37
  some
• 33:37
  story
• 33:38
  time
• 33:38
  activity,
• 33:39
  like
• 33:39
  story
• 33:39
  time
• 33:40
  at
• 33:40
  the
• 33:41
  bookstores
• 33:41
  and
• 33:42
  like
• 33:42
  meeting
• 33:42
  new
• 33:43
  people
• 33:43
  in
• 33:43
  my
• 33:44
  community.
• 33:45
  And
• 33:46
  it's
• 33:46
  so
• 33:46
  fun.
• 33:47
  Like,
• 33:47
  it's
• 33:47
  a
• 33:48
  great
• 33:48
  opportunity.
• 33:49
  Tell
• 33:50
  us
• 33:50
  a
• 33:50
  little
• 33:50
  bit
• 33:50
  about
• 33:51
  that
• 33:51
  story
• 33:51
  time.
• 33:52
  So
• 33:52
  I
• 33:53
  just
• 33:53
  did
• 33:53
  my
• 33:53
  first
• 33:54
  one
• 33:54
  and
• 33:54
  I
• 33:54
  have
• 33:55
  about
• 33:55
  10
• 33:56
  scheduled
• 33:57
  throughout
• 33:57
  the
• 33:58
  coming
• 33:58
  months.
• 33:59
  And
• 34:00
  so
• 34:00
  I
• 34:01
  had
• 34:02
  a
• 34:02
  bunch
• 34:02
  of
• 34:02
  kids
• 34:03
  and
• 34:03
  their
• 34:03
  parents
• 34:04
  at
• 34:04
  the
• 34:04
  bookstore
• 34:05
  and
• 34:05
  I
• 34:06
  did
• 34:07
  a
• 34:07
  few
• 34:08
  nursery
• 34:09
  rhymes
• 34:09
  and
• 34:10
  like
• 34:10
  finger
• 34:10
  plays
• 34:10
  that
• 34:11
  were
• 34:11
  also
• 34:11
  storm
• 34:11
  related.
• 34:12
  And
• 34:13
  then
• 34:13
  I
• 34:14
  read
• 34:14
  my
• 34:14
  story
• 34:15
  and
• 34:15
  we
• 34:15
  talked
• 34:15
  about
• 34:16
  it
• 34:16
  a
• 34:16
  little
• 34:16
  bit.
• 34:17
  And
• 34:17
  then
• 34:17
  I
• 34:18
  got
• 34:18
  all
• 34:18
  of
• 34:19
  these
• 34:19
  handmade,
• 34:20
  like
• 34:20
  homemade
• 34:21
  that
• 34:21
  you
• 34:21
  could
• 34:21
  make
• 34:21
  at
• 34:22
  home
• 34:22
  easily.
• 34:23
  Musical
• 34:24
  instruments
• 34:24
  that
• 34:25
  sound
• 34:25
  like
• 34:25
  different
• 34:25
  things.
• 34:26
  In
• 34:26
  the
• 34:26
  storm.
• 34:27
  I
• 34:27
  had
• 34:27
  all
• 34:27
  the
• 34:27
  kids,
• 34:28
  like,
• 34:28
  make
• 34:28
  a
• 34:28
  storm
• 34:29
  together
• 34:29
  with
• 34:30
  these
• 34:30
  instruments.
• 34:30
  Oh,
• 34:31
  cool.
• 34:31
  Not
• 34:32
  be
• 34:32
  afraid
• 34:32
  of
• 34:32
  the
• 34:33
  sound
• 34:33
  of
• 34:33
  the
• 34:33
  storm
• 34:34
  because
• 34:34
  that's
• 34:34
  part
• 34:34
  of
• 34:35
  the
• 34:35
  story
• 34:35
  too.
• 34:36
  So
• 34:36
  it's
• 34:36
  cool.
• 34:36
  I
• 34:37
  have
• 34:37
  like
• 34:37
  little
• 34:37
  shakers
• 34:38
  and
• 34:39
  little
• 34:39
  drums
• 34:40
  that
• 34:40
  they
• 34:40
  can
• 34:41
  make
• 34:41
  themselves.
• 34:41
  And
• 34:41
  then
• 34:42
  I
• 34:42
  also
• 34:42
  had
• 34:42
  a
• 34:42
  craft
• 34:43
  so
• 34:43
  they
• 34:44
  could
• 34:44
  make
• 34:45
  one
• 34:45
  of
• 34:45
  these
• 34:45
  themselves
• 34:46
  and
• 34:46
  take
• 34:46
  it
• 34:46
  home
• 34:46
  with
• 34:47
  them.
• 34:47
  So
• 34:47
  did
• 34:48
  you
• 34:48
  develop
• 34:48
  this
• 34:49
  whole
• 34:49
  thing
• 34:49
  over
• 34:50
  several
• 34:51
  story
• 34:52
  book
• 34:53
  readings
• 34:53
  at
• 34:53
  the
• 34:54
  stores?
• 34:55
  So
• 34:55
  this
• 34:55
  was
• 34:55
  my
• 34:56
  first
• 34:56
  one,
• 34:56
  but
• 34:57
  I
• 34:57
  developed
• 34:57
  it
• 34:57
  based
• 34:58
  on
• 34:59
  my
• 35:00
  years
• 35:00
  as
• 35:00
  a
• 35:00
  preschool
• 35:01
  teacher
• 35:01
  in
• 35:01
  the
• 35:02
  past.
• 35:02
  And
• 35:02
  I
• 35:02
  knew,
• 35:03
  like,
• 35:03
  how
• 35:03
  to
• 35:04
  do
• 35:04
  a
• 35:05
  story
• 35:05
  time.
• 35:06
  And
• 35:06
  I
• 35:07
  in
• 35:07
  the
• 35:07
  future,
• 35:08
  when
• 35:08
  I
• 35:08
  have
• 35:08
  more
• 35:08
  than
• 35:08
  one
• 35:09
  book,
• 35:09
  then
• 35:09
  I
• 35:09
  could
• 35:09
  read
• 35:10
  multiple
• 35:11
  books
• 35:11
  during
• 35:11
  the
• 35:11
  story
• 35:12
  time.
• 35:12
  But
• 35:12
  I
• 35:13
  just
• 35:13
  have
• 35:13
  the
• 35:14
  one
• 35:14
  right
• 35:14
  now,
• 35:14
  so
• 35:14
  I
• 35:15
  wanted
• 35:15
  to
• 35:15
  have
• 35:15
  an
• 35:15
  activity
• 35:16
  to
• 35:16
  go
• 35:16
  with
• 35:16
  it.
• 35:17
  When
• 35:17
  I
• 35:17
  think
• 35:18
  of
• 35:18
  success,
• 35:18
  I
• 35:18
  think
• 35:19
  most
• 35:19
  of
• 35:19
  us
• 35:19
  is
• 35:20
  when
• 35:20
  we
• 35:20
  get
• 35:20
  our
• 35:20
  first
• 35:21
  book
• 35:21
  to
• 35:21
  market,
• 35:23
  that
• 35:23
  in
• 35:23
  itself
• 35:24
  is
• 35:24
  a
• 35:24
  huge
• 35:24
  success.
• 35:25
  Oh,
• 35:25
  yeah?
• 35:26
  Yeah.
• 35:26
  Then
• 35:26
  the
• 35:27
  trick
• 35:27
  is
• 35:28
  for
• 35:28
  all
• 35:28
  of
• 35:29
  us
• 35:29
  to
• 35:29
  figure
• 35:29
  out,
• 35:30
  okay,
• 35:30
  now
• 35:30
  how
• 35:30
  do
• 35:31
  I
• 35:31
  get
• 35:31
  my
• 35:32
  book
• 35:32
  in
• 35:33
  distribution?
• 35:34
  Because
• 35:34
  you
• 35:35
  have
• 35:35
  to.
• 35:35
  You
• 35:35
  want
• 35:36
  to
• 35:36
  sell
• 35:36
  it
• 35:37
  so
• 35:37
  that
• 35:37
  other.
• 35:38
  So
• 35:38
  that
• 35:38
  people
• 35:38
  are
• 35:38
  reading
• 35:39
  your
• 35:39
  book.
• 35:40
  And.
• 35:41
  And
• 35:41
  if
• 35:41
  you
• 35:42
  have
• 35:42
  any
• 35:42
  tips,
• 35:42
  I
• 35:42
  would
• 35:42
  love
• 35:43
  to
• 35:43
  hear,
• 35:43
  because
• 35:44
  that
• 35:44
  is
• 35:45
  a
• 35:45
  big
• 35:45
  thing
• 35:46
  that
• 35:46
  I'm
• 35:46
  trying
• 35:46
  to
• 35:46
  learn
• 35:46
  right
• 35:47
  now.
• 35:47
  Well,
• 35:47
  I
• 35:47
  love
• 35:48
  what
• 35:48
  you've
• 35:48
  done
• 35:48
  with
• 35:49
  the
• 35:49
  story
• 35:49
  time,
• 35:50
  because
• 35:51
  we
• 35:51
  have
• 35:51
  our
• 35:51
  book
• 35:52
  in.
• 35:52
  In
• 35:53
  a
• 35:53
  couple
• 35:53
  of
• 35:54
  independent
• 35:54
  bookstores,
• 35:56
  and
• 35:56
  we've
• 35:57
  actually
• 35:57
  done.
• 35:57
  We've
• 35:58
  had
• 35:58
  one
• 35:58
  store's
• 35:59
  up
• 35:59
  to
• 35:59
  their
• 35:59
  fourth
• 36:00
  order,
• 36:00
  so
• 36:00
  we're
• 36:00
  pretty
• 36:01
  excited
• 36:01
  about
• 36:01
  that.
• 36:02
  And
• 36:02
  I.
• 36:02
  I
• 36:03
  finally
• 36:03
  said
• 36:04
  to
• 36:04
  my
• 36:04
  wife,
• 36:05
  I
• 36:05
  said,
• 36:06
  maybe
• 36:06
  it's
• 36:06
  time.
• 36:07
  This
• 36:07
  year
• 36:08
  is,
• 36:09
  of
• 36:09
  course,
• 36:09
  focus
• 36:10
  on
• 36:10
  the
• 36:10
  podcast,
• 36:11
  but
• 36:11
  also
• 36:11
  focus
• 36:12
  on
• 36:12
  the
• 36:13
  independent
• 36:13
  books
• 36:14
  and
• 36:14
  see
• 36:15
  if
• 36:15
  we
• 36:15
  can
• 36:16
  get.
• 36:16
  I
• 36:16
  live
• 36:16
  in
• 36:17
  Canada,
• 36:17
  and
• 36:17
  the
• 36:17
  province
• 36:18
  I
• 36:18
  live
• 36:18
  in
• 36:19
  has
• 36:19
  probably
• 36:19
  about
• 36:20
  25
• 36:21
  independent
• 36:21
  bookstores,
• 36:22
  because,
• 36:22
  like,
• 36:23
  in
• 36:23
  the
• 36:23
  States,
• 36:23
  there's
• 36:24
  Barnes
• 36:24
  and
• 36:24
  Noble
• 36:25
  and
• 36:25
  they're
• 36:25
  in
• 36:25
  the
• 36:26
  big
• 36:26
  centers,
• 36:26
  and
• 36:27
  so.
• 36:28
  And
• 36:28
  then
• 36:29
  you've
• 36:29
  got
• 36:29
  Amazon,
• 36:30
  of
• 36:30
  course.
• 36:30
  But
• 36:31
  how
• 36:31
  do
• 36:31
  you
• 36:31
  get
• 36:31
  into
• 36:32
  the
• 36:32
  independent
• 36:32
  bookstore?
• 36:33
  That's
• 36:34
  one
• 36:34
  of
• 36:34
  my
• 36:34
  main
• 36:35
  goals
• 36:35
  this
• 36:35
  year.
• 36:35
  And
• 36:36
  it
• 36:36
  sounds
• 36:36
  to
• 36:36
  me,
• 36:36
  that's
• 36:37
  why
• 36:37
  I
• 36:37
  was
• 36:37
  curious
• 36:37
  about
• 36:38
  your
• 36:38
  story
• 36:38
  time.
• 36:39
  It
• 36:39
  sounds
• 36:40
  to
• 36:40
  me
• 36:40
  that
• 36:40
  you
• 36:41
  can
• 36:41
  build
• 36:42
  an
• 36:42
  audience
• 36:42
  from
• 36:43
  there
• 36:43
  and
• 36:44
  hopefully
• 36:45
  use
• 36:46
  that
• 36:46
  success.
• 36:47
  I
• 36:47
  guess
• 36:48
  I'm
• 36:48
  asking
• 36:48
  this
• 36:48
  as
• 36:48
  a
• 36:49
  question
• 36:49
  because
• 36:49
  you
• 36:49
  got
• 36:49
  me
• 36:50
  thinking.
• 36:50
  Did
• 36:51
  the
• 36:51
  independent
• 36:51
  book
• 36:52
  store
• 36:52
  owner
• 36:53
  that
• 36:53
  you
• 36:53
  did
• 36:53
  this
• 36:54
  app,
• 36:54
  would
• 36:55
  they
• 36:55
  give
• 36:55
  you
• 36:55
  an
• 36:55
  endorsement
• 36:56
  to
• 36:57
  take
• 36:57
  it
• 36:57
  to
• 36:57
  other
• 36:58
  independent
• 36:59
  bookstores?
• 37:00
  I
• 37:00
  did
• 37:01
  not
• 37:01
  ask
• 37:01
  that,
• 37:02
  but
• 37:02
  maybe.
• 37:03
  I
• 37:03
  don't
• 37:03
  know
• 37:03
  how
• 37:04
  they're.
• 37:04
  If
• 37:04
  they
• 37:04
  have,
• 37:05
  like
• 37:05
  a
• 37:06
  coalition
• 37:06
  of
• 37:06
  bookstore
• 37:07
  owners
• 37:07
  or
• 37:08
  something,
• 37:08
  I'm
• 37:08
  not
• 37:08
  right
• 37:08
  about
• 37:09
  that.
• 37:09
  You
• 37:10
  know
• 37:10
  what
• 37:10
  I
• 37:10
  did?
• 37:10
  I
• 37:10
  went
• 37:11
  online
• 37:11
  because
• 37:12
  I
• 37:12
  didn't.
• 37:12
  I
• 37:12
  thought,
• 37:13
  where
• 37:13
  are
• 37:13
  these
• 37:14
  independent
• 37:14
  bookstores?
• 37:15
  So
• 37:15
  I
• 37:15
  just
• 37:16
  googled
• 37:16
  it
• 37:17
  and
• 37:17
  it
• 37:17
  came
• 37:17
  up.
• 37:18
  There
• 37:18
  was
• 37:18
  actually
• 37:18
  an
• 37:19
  association
• 37:19
  of
• 37:20
  independent
• 37:20
  bookstores.
• 37:21
  And
• 37:22
  I
• 37:22
  thought,
• 37:22
  yeah,
• 37:23
  so
• 37:23
  that's.
• 37:23
  And
• 37:24
  that's
• 37:24
  how
• 37:24
  I
• 37:24
  built
• 37:24
  my
• 37:25
  list.
• 37:25
  Now,
• 37:26
  some
• 37:26
  of
• 37:26
  the.
• 37:27
  Some
• 37:27
  of
• 37:27
  them
• 37:27
  are
• 37:28
  used
• 37:28
  bookstores.
• 37:29
  That's
• 37:29
  all
• 37:30
  they
• 37:30
  sell.
• 37:30
  And
• 37:31
  some
• 37:31
  of
• 37:31
  them
• 37:31
  don't
• 37:31
  sell
• 37:32
  children's
• 37:32
  books.
• 37:32
  But
• 37:33
  at
• 37:33
  the
• 37:33
  end
• 37:33
  of
• 37:33
  the
• 37:34
  day,
• 37:34
  I
• 37:34
  think
• 37:34
  I
• 37:34
  built
• 37:34
  a
• 37:35
  list
• 37:35
  of
• 37:35
  about
• 37:36
  over
• 37:36
  20
• 37:37
  now.
• 37:38
  Now
• 37:38
  I
• 37:38
  got
• 37:38
  it.
• 37:38
  Now
• 37:39
  I've
• 37:39
  got
• 37:39
  a.
• 37:39
  Do
• 37:40
  the
• 37:40
  work
• 37:40
  and
• 37:40
  reach
• 37:41
  out
• 37:41
  to
• 37:41
  them.
• 37:42
  Yeah,
• 37:42
  so
• 37:42
  that's
• 37:43
  how
• 37:43
  I
• 37:43
  started,
• 37:43
  too.
• 37:44
  I
• 37:44
  just
• 37:45
  googled
• 37:45
  bookstores,
• 37:46
  and
• 37:47
  I
• 37:47
  started
• 37:47
  just
• 37:48
  close
• 37:48
  to
• 37:48
  me
• 37:48
  first,
• 37:48
  so
• 37:49
  I
• 37:49
  could
• 37:49
  go
• 37:49
  visit
• 37:50
  them
• 37:50
  in
• 37:51
  person
• 37:51
  if
• 37:51
  I
• 37:51
  need
• 37:51
  to.
• 37:52
  But
• 37:52
  first
• 37:52
  I
• 37:53
  would.
• 37:53
  I
• 37:54
  tried
• 37:54
  contacting
• 37:54
  them,
• 37:55
  like,
• 37:55
  by
• 37:55
  email
• 37:56
  or
• 37:57
  give
• 37:57
  them
• 37:57
  a
• 37:58
  telephone
• 37:58
  call
• 37:59
  and
• 37:59
  ask
• 38:00
  if
• 38:00
  they
• 38:01
  do
• 38:01
  independent
• 38:03
  books.
• 38:03
  Like,
• 38:04
  and
• 38:04
  a
• 38:05
  lot
• 38:05
  of
• 38:05
  them
• 38:05
  do.
• 38:05
  Like,
• 38:06
  I've
• 38:06
  been
• 38:07
  impressed.
• 38:08
  Like,
• 38:08
  they're
• 38:09
  so
• 38:09
  supportive
• 38:09
  and
• 38:10
  encouraging
• 38:11
  because
• 38:11
  what
• 38:11
  they're
• 38:11
  doing
• 38:12
  is
• 38:13
  Almost
• 38:13
  like
• 38:13
  what
• 38:13
  we're
• 38:13
  doing
• 38:14
  as
• 38:14
  authors,
• 38:15
  they're
• 38:16
  trying
• 38:16
  to
• 38:16
  do
• 38:16
  their
• 38:17
  own
• 38:17
  bookstore,
• 38:17
  not
• 38:18
  Amazon.
• 38:18
  Can
• 38:19
  they
• 38:19
  pick
• 38:19
  the
• 38:19
  books
• 38:20
  and
• 38:20
  all
• 38:20
  those
• 38:20
  things?
• 38:21
  Absolutely.
• 38:21
  Especially
• 38:22
  if
• 38:22
  you
• 38:22
  have
• 38:22
  a
• 38:22
  book
• 38:23
  like
• 38:23
  mine
• 38:23
  is
• 38:24
  about
• 38:24
  thunderstorms,
• 38:25
  which
• 38:25
  we
• 38:25
  have
• 38:26
  tons
• 38:26
  of
• 38:26
  around
• 38:26
  here.
• 38:27
  Yes.
• 38:27
  So
• 38:27
  it
• 38:27
  is
• 38:28
  applicable
• 38:28
  to
• 38:29
  my
• 38:29
  vicinity,
• 38:30
  where
• 38:30
  I
• 38:31
  live.
• 38:31
  Yes.
• 38:31
  And
• 38:32
  you
• 38:32
  know
• 38:32
  what?
• 38:32
  That's
• 38:32
  the
• 38:33
  same
• 38:33
  with
• 38:33
  us.
• 38:33
  Our
• 38:34
  book
• 38:34
  is
• 38:34
  all
• 38:34
  about
• 38:35
  the
• 38:35
  Rocky
• 38:36
  Mountains
• 38:36
  and
• 38:37
  that's
• 38:37
  all
• 38:38
  around
• 38:38
  us
• 38:38
  in
• 38:39
  the
• 38:39
  province
• 38:39
  I
• 38:39
  live.
• 38:40
  Yeah.
• 38:40
  You
• 38:40
  live
• 38:40
  in
• 38:40
  Alberta.
• 38:41
  I
• 38:41
  do.
• 38:42
  I
• 38:42
  live
• 38:43
  in
• 38:43
  Alberta.
• 38:43
  I
• 38:44
  was
• 38:44
  born
• 38:44
  in
• 38:44
  Alberta,
• 38:44
  actually.
• 38:45
  Oh,
• 38:45
  were
• 38:45
  you
• 38:48
  Canada?
• 38:48
  Until
• 38:48
  I
• 38:48
  was
• 38:49
  16.
• 38:49
  Oh,
• 38:50
  wow.
• 38:50
  Moved
• 38:50
  to
• 38:50
  the
• 38:51
  States.
• 38:51
  Yeah.
• 38:51
  Interesting.
• 38:52
  And
• 38:52
  what
• 38:53
  city
• 38:53
  were
• 38:53
  you
• 38:53
  born
• 38:53
  in?
• 38:54
  St.
• 38:54
  Paul.
• 38:55
  St.
• 38:55
  Paul.
• 38:55
  On
• 38:56
  the
• 38:56
  border
• 38:56
  between
• 38:56
  Alberta
• 38:57
  and
• 38:57
  Saskatchewan.
• 38:58
  Oh,
• 38:58
  wow.
• 38:59
  It's
• 38:59
  a
• 38:59
  small
• 38:59
  world.
• 39:00
  So.
• 39:01
  So
• 39:01
  you
• 39:01
  know
• 39:01
  exactly
• 39:02
  what
• 39:02
  I'm
• 39:02
  talking
• 39:02
  about.
• 39:03
  Fantastic.
• 39:05
  And
• 39:05
  it's
• 39:05
  neat
• 39:06
  because,
• 39:06
  again,
• 39:07
  drawing
• 39:07
  on
• 39:08
  Charlotte,
• 39:09
  drawing
• 39:09
  on
• 39:09
  your
• 39:09
  experience
• 39:10
  where
• 39:10
  you
• 39:10
  live
• 39:11
  now,
• 39:11
  and
• 39:11
  developing
• 39:12
  and
• 39:12
  then.
• 39:13
  And
• 39:13
  building
• 39:13
  a
• 39:14
  book
• 39:14
  that's
• 39:14
  relevant
• 39:14
  to
• 39:15
  your
• 39:15
  marketplace.
• 39:16
  And
• 39:16
  so
• 39:16
  it's
• 39:17
  important
• 39:17
  people
• 39:17
  know
• 39:18
  that
• 39:18
  too,
• 39:18
  because
• 39:18
  a
• 39:18
  lot
• 39:18
  of
• 39:19
  times
• 39:19
  that's
• 39:19
  exactly
• 39:19
  what
• 39:20
  a
• 39:20
  children's
• 39:20
  book
• 39:21
  author
• 39:21
  is
• 39:22
  doing.
• 39:22
  They're
• 39:22
  drawing
• 39:23
  on
• 39:23
  their
• 39:23
  own
• 39:23
  experiences
• 39:25
  and
• 39:25
  then.
• 39:26
  And
• 39:26
  it's
• 39:26
  something
• 39:27
  that's
• 39:27
  around
• 39:27
  them.
• 39:28
  So
• 39:29
  the
• 39:29
  other
• 39:29
  independent
• 39:30
  authors
• 39:30
  that
• 39:31
  I
• 39:31
  know
• 39:32
  in
• 39:32
  this
• 39:32
  area,
• 39:33
  a
• 39:33
  lot
• 39:33
  of
• 39:33
  the
• 39:34
  ones
• 39:34
  that
• 39:34
  are
• 39:35
  successful
• 39:35
  in
• 39:35
  getting
• 39:36
  into
• 39:36
  schools
• 39:36
  and
• 39:36
  things
• 39:37
  like
• 39:37
  that,
• 39:37
  it's
• 39:38
  because
• 39:38
  they
• 39:38
  wrote
• 39:38
  a
• 39:38
  book
• 39:39
  that
• 39:39
  was
• 39:39
  about
• 39:40
  our
• 39:40
  area.
• 39:41
  Something
• 39:41
  that
• 39:41
  happened
• 39:42
  in
• 39:42
  Oklahoma
• 39:42
  or
• 39:43
  nearby.
• 39:44
  You
• 39:44
  bet.
• 39:45
  Fantastic.
• 39:46
  It's
• 39:46
  interesting
• 39:47
  because
• 39:47
  you
• 39:48
  and
• 39:48
  I
• 39:48
  were
• 39:48
  talking
• 39:48
  about,
• 39:49
  like,
• 39:49
  now
• 39:50
  you
• 39:50
  gotta.
• 39:50
  Now
• 39:50
  you
• 39:51
  gotta
• 39:51
  build
• 39:51
  the
• 39:51
  distribution
• 39:52
  network
• 39:53
  and
• 39:53
  all
• 39:53
  that
• 39:53
  kind
• 39:53
  of
• 39:54
  good
• 39:54
  stuff
• 39:55
  and
• 39:56
  going
• 39:56
  at
• 39:56
  it.
• 39:57
  Like,
• 39:58
  every
• 39:58
  time
• 39:58
  I
• 39:58
  talk
• 39:58
  to
• 39:58
  a
• 39:59
  children's
• 39:59
  book
• 39:59
  author,
• 40:00
  they
• 40:00
  always
• 40:01
  have
• 40:01
  another
• 40:01
  book
• 40:02
  in
• 40:02
  them.
• 40:03
  And
• 40:03
  I
• 40:03
  was
• 40:03
  talking
• 40:04
  to
• 40:04
  a
• 40:05
  guest
• 40:05
  from
• 40:05
  Seattle,
• 40:06
  and
• 40:07
  he
• 40:07
  thought
• 40:07
  it
• 40:08
  was
• 40:08
  one
• 40:08
  and
• 40:09
  done,
• 40:10
  and
• 40:10
  we
• 40:10
  just
• 40:10
  helped
• 40:11
  him
• 40:11
  launch
• 40:11
  his
• 40:12
  fourth
• 40:12
  book.
• 40:14
  So
• 40:14
  there
• 40:14
  is
• 40:14
  no
• 40:15
  one
• 40:15
  and
• 40:15
  done.
• 40:16
  So
• 40:16
  it
• 40:17
  sounds
• 40:17
  to
• 40:17
  me
• 40:17
  there'll
• 40:18
  be
• 40:18
  no
• 40:18
  one
• 40:18
  and
• 40:19
  done
• 40:19
  for
• 40:19
  you
• 40:19
  either.
• 40:20
  No,
• 40:20
  I.
• 40:21
  I'm
• 40:21
  working
• 40:21
  on
• 40:21
  my
• 40:22
  next
• 40:22
  book
• 40:22
  already.
• 40:23
  Okay.
• 40:23
  Getting
• 40:24
  the
• 40:24
  drawings
• 40:24
  going.
• 40:25
  In
• 40:25
  terms
• 40:26
  of
• 40:26
  a
• 40:26
  business
• 40:26
  plan,
• 40:27
  what
• 40:27
  would
• 40:27
  you
• 40:27
  say
• 40:28
  you're
• 40:28
  doing
• 40:28
  differently,
• 40:29
  bringing
• 40:30
  your
• 40:30
  second
• 40:30
  book
• 40:31
  to
• 40:31
  life?
• 40:32
  I
• 40:32
  don't
• 40:32
  know
• 40:32
  what
• 40:32
  I
• 40:32
  would
• 40:32
  be
• 40:33
  doing
• 40:33
  differently.
• 40:33
  I
• 40:33
  think
• 40:34
  it
• 40:34
  will
• 40:35
  be
• 40:35
  faster
• 40:35
  for
• 40:36
  sure
• 40:36
  because
• 40:37
  I've
• 40:37
  already
• 40:38
  done
• 40:39
  all
• 40:39
  this
• 40:39
  research
• 40:40
  and
• 40:41
  trial
• 40:41
  and
• 40:41
  error
• 40:42
  the
• 40:42
  first
• 40:42
  time
• 40:42
  around.
• 40:43
  That'll
• 40:43
  be
• 40:43
  nice.
• 40:44
  Okay.
• 40:44
  I
• 40:44
  already
• 40:44
  know
• 40:44
  what
• 40:45
  I
• 40:45
  want
• 40:45
  to
• 40:45
  do
• 40:45
  instead
• 40:46
  of
• 40:46
  having
• 40:46
  to
• 40:46
  get
• 40:46
  all
• 40:47
  the
• 40:47
  quotes
• 40:47
  and
• 40:47
  all
• 40:47
  the
• 40:48
  things.
• 40:49
  And
• 40:49
  I
• 40:49
  took
• 40:50
  classes
• 40:50
  about
• 40:50
  self
• 40:51
  publishing
• 40:51
  and
• 40:52
  all
• 40:52
  these
• 40:52
  things
• 40:53
  just
• 40:53
  to
• 40:53
  learn
• 40:54
  what
• 40:54
  I'm
• 40:54
  doing,
• 40:55
  but
• 40:55
  I
• 40:55
  don't
• 40:55
  have
• 40:55
  to
• 40:56
  do
• 40:56
  that
• 40:56
  the
• 40:56
  second
• 40:56
  time
• 40:56
  around.
• 40:57
  So
• 40:57
  it'll
• 40:57
  be
• 40:57
  much
• 40:58
  faster
• 40:58
  and
• 40:58
  easier,
• 40:59
  I
• 40:59
  think.
• 40:59
  Okay.
• 41:00
  And
• 41:01
  from
• 41:01
  a
• 41:01
  distribution
• 41:02
  point,
• 41:02
  you
• 41:03
  think
• 41:03
  you'll
• 41:03
  be
• 41:03
  faster
• 41:04
  to
• 41:04
  market?
• 41:05
  Oh,
• 41:05
  yeah,
• 41:05
  because
• 41:06
  I've
• 41:06
  already,
• 41:06
  because
• 41:07
  I've
• 41:07
  been
• 41:07
  working
• 41:07
  on
• 41:08
  getting
• 41:08
  into
• 41:08
  the
• 41:09
  different
• 41:10
  bookstores
• 41:10
  right
• 41:10
  now
• 41:11
  already.
• 41:11
  Okay.
• 41:11
  So
• 41:12
  when
• 41:12
  I
• 41:12
  have
• 41:12
  my
• 41:12
  next
• 41:12
  one,
• 41:12
  I'll
• 41:13
  just
• 41:13
  call
• 41:13
  up
• 41:13
  all
• 41:14
  these
• 41:14
  people
• 41:14
  they've
• 41:14
  already
• 41:15
  met
• 41:15
  and
• 41:15
  say,
• 41:15
  hey,
• 41:16
  I've
• 41:16
  got
• 41:16
  another
• 41:16
  book.
• 41:17
  And
• 41:18
  I,
• 41:18
  I
• 41:19
  feel
• 41:19
  like
• 41:19
  they
• 41:20
  will
• 41:20
  carry
• 41:21
  it
• 41:21
  just
• 41:21
  like
• 41:22
  they
• 41:22
  carry
• 41:22
  this
• 41:22
  one.
• 41:23
  Yeah.
• 41:24
  And
• 41:24
  tell
• 41:24
  us
• 41:25
  the
• 41:26
  role
• 41:26
  of
• 41:26
  writing
• 41:26
  now
• 41:27
  in
• 41:27
  your
• 41:27
  life
• 41:27
  because
• 41:28
  you've,
• 41:28
  you
• 41:28
  had
• 41:29
  this
• 41:29
  one
• 41:29
  book
• 41:30
  fermenting
• 41:32
  over
• 41:32
  time.
• 41:33
  It's
• 41:33
  come
• 41:34
  to
• 41:34
  life
• 41:34
  now.
• 41:35
  The
• 41:35
  second
• 41:35
  one,
• 41:36
  like
• 41:36
  you
• 41:36
  said,
• 41:36
  is
• 41:36
  going
• 41:36
  to
• 41:36
  come
• 41:37
  quicker.
• 41:38
  So
• 41:38
  tell
• 41:38
  us
• 41:38
  about
• 41:39
  how
• 41:39
  that,
• 41:40
  how
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  role
• 41:40
  of
• 41:41
  writing
• 41:41
  has
• 41:41
  changed
• 41:41
  in
• 41:42
  your
• 41:42
  life.
• 41:42
  I
• 41:43
  guess
• 41:44
  now
• 41:44
  I
• 41:44
  consider
• 41:44
  myself
• 41:45
  an
• 41:45
  author.
• 41:45
  And
• 41:46
  so
• 41:46
  now
• 41:47
  I
• 41:47
  do.
• 41:48
  I
• 41:48
  try
• 41:48
  to
• 41:49
  be
• 41:50
  up
• 41:50
  here
• 41:51
  at
• 41:51
  my
• 41:51
  desk
• 41:52
  and
• 41:53
  working
• 41:54
  on
• 41:54
  my
• 41:55
  book
• 41:55
  or
• 41:56
  at
• 41:56
  least
• 41:56
  on
• 41:56
  marketing
• 41:57
  my
• 41:57
  current
• 41:58
  book.
• 41:58
  I
• 41:59
  try
• 41:59
  to
• 41:59
  do
• 41:59
  it
• 42:00
  at
• 42:00
  least
• 42:00
  five
• 42:00
  days
• 42:01
  a
• 42:01
  week,
• 42:01
  like
• 42:02
  Monday
• 42:02
  to
• 42:02
  Friday.
• 42:03
  Get
• 42:03
  up
• 42:03
  here.
• 42:04
  Um,
• 42:04
  I
• 42:04
  usually
• 42:05
  take
• 42:05
  a
• 42:05
  break
• 42:05
  on
• 42:05
  the
• 42:05
  weekends.
• 42:06
  Sometimes
• 42:06
  I
• 42:07
  work
• 42:07
  on
• 42:07
  Saturday
• 42:07
  too.
• 42:08
  Right,
• 42:08
  okay.
• 42:09
  Gotta
• 42:09
  take
• 42:09
  a
• 42:09
  break
• 42:10
  sometimes
• 42:10
  so
• 42:10
  that
• 42:10
  your
• 42:11
  brain
• 42:11
  can
• 42:11
  just
• 42:12
  relax
• 42:13
  for
• 42:13
  a
• 42:13
  little
• 42:13
  bit.
• 42:13
  It's
• 42:14
  interesting
• 42:14
  what
• 42:14
  you
• 42:15
  said
• 42:15
  too,
• 42:15
  Charlotte.
• 42:16
  When
• 42:17
  I
• 42:17
  was
• 42:17
  talking
• 42:18
  to
• 42:18
  a
• 42:18
  first
• 42:18
  time
• 42:19
  children's
• 42:19
  book
• 42:19
  author
• 42:20
  and
• 42:21
  she
• 42:22
  didn't
• 42:22
  have
• 42:22
  a
• 42:23
  website,
• 42:23
  so
• 42:24
  all
• 42:24
  she
• 42:24
  had
• 42:24
  was
• 42:25
  her
• 42:25
  Instagram
• 42:26
  page.
• 42:26
  Of
• 42:27
  course
• 42:27
  I
• 42:27
  try
• 42:27
  and
• 42:27
  do
• 42:28
  some
• 42:28
  research
• 42:28
  on
• 42:28
  my
• 42:29
  guests
• 42:29
  before
• 42:29
  they
• 42:29
  come
• 42:30
  on.
• 42:30
  And
• 42:30
  I
• 42:30
  went
• 42:31
  to
• 42:31
  her
• 42:31
  Instagram
• 42:32
  page
• 42:32
  and
• 42:32
  I
• 42:33
  noticed
• 42:33
  she
• 42:34
  didn't
• 42:34
  have
• 42:35
  children's
• 42:35
  book
• 42:35
  author
• 42:36
  in
• 42:38
  her
• 42:38
  description.
• 42:39
  So
• 42:40
  I
• 42:40
  asked
• 42:40
  her
• 42:40
  that.
• 42:41
  I
• 42:41
  said,
• 42:41
  oh,
• 42:42
  I
• 42:42
  noticed
• 42:42
  you
• 42:42
  don't
• 42:42
  have
• 42:43
  children's
• 42:43
  book
• 42:43
  author
• 42:44
  in
• 42:44
  your
• 42:45
  description
• 42:45
  yet
• 42:45
  you're
• 42:46
  a
• 42:46
  children's
• 42:46
  book
• 42:46
  author.
• 42:47
  And
• 42:47
  she
• 42:47
  said,
• 42:48
  oh,
• 42:49
  15
• 42:49
  minutes
• 42:50
  later
• 42:50
  after
• 42:51
  we,
• 42:52
  she
• 42:52
  had
• 42:53
  it
• 42:53
  in
• 42:53
  there
• 42:53
  and
• 42:53
  she
• 42:54
  sent
• 42:54
  me
• 42:54
  an
• 42:54
  email
• 42:55
  and
• 42:55
  said
• 42:55
  thank
• 42:55
  you.
• 42:56
  I
• 42:56
  never
• 42:56
  even
• 42:57
  thought
• 42:57
  about
• 42:57
  that.
• 42:58
  So
• 42:58
  sometimes
• 42:59
  it's
• 42:59
  just
• 42:59
  that
• 42:59
  obvious,
• 43:00
  right,
• 43:00
  that
• 43:00
  you
• 43:00
  don't
• 43:01
  think
• 43:01
  of
• 43:01
  yourself
• 43:02
  as
• 43:02
  a
• 43:02
  children's
• 43:02
  book
• 43:03
  author.
• 43:03
  It
• 43:03
  still
• 43:04
  is
• 43:04
  new
• 43:04
  to
• 43:04
  me,
• 43:05
  think
• 43:05
  of
• 43:05
  myself
• 43:06
  that
• 43:06
  way.
• 43:06
  So
• 43:07
  congratulations.
• 43:08
  You're
• 43:09
  welcome.
• 43:10
  So
• 43:10
  advice
• 43:11
  for
• 43:12
  aspiring
• 43:13
  authors.
• 43:14
  Someone
• 43:14
  who
• 43:15
  said,
• 43:15
  oh,
• 43:16
  I'm
• 43:16
  just
• 43:16
  like
• 43:16
  Charlotte,
• 43:17
  but
• 43:17
  I
• 43:17
  just
• 43:18
  can't
• 43:18
  get
• 43:18
  this
• 43:19
  thing
• 43:19
  out
• 43:20
  into
• 43:20
  the
• 43:20
  world.
• 43:21
  What
• 43:21
  would
• 43:21
  you
• 43:22
  say
• 43:22
  to
• 43:22
  them?
• 43:23
  I
• 43:23
  would
• 43:23
  say
• 43:24
  the
• 43:24
  number
• 43:24
  one
• 43:25
  thing
• 43:25
  that
• 43:25
  you
• 43:26
  need
• 43:26
  to
• 43:26
  do
• 43:26
  is
• 43:27
  get
• 43:27
  into
• 43:28
  a
• 43:28
  group,
• 43:29
  like
• 43:29
  a
• 43:29
  critique
• 43:29
  group
• 43:30
  or
• 43:30
  an
• 43:31
  S,
• 43:31
  C,
• 43:31
  B,
• 43:31
  W,
• 43:31
  I
• 43:32
  or
• 43:32
  a
• 43:32
  writing
• 43:33
  group
• 43:33
  if
• 43:33
  you're
• 43:33
  not
• 43:34
  doing
• 43:34
  children's
• 43:34
  books.
• 43:35
  If
• 43:35
  you're
• 43:35
  doing
• 43:35
  adult
• 43:35
  books,
• 43:36
  find
• 43:36
  a
• 43:36
  writing
• 43:37
  group
• 43:37
  in
• 43:37
  your
• 43:37
  area
• 43:38
  that
• 43:38
  you
• 43:38
  can
• 43:39
  bounce
• 43:39
  ideas
• 43:40
  off
• 43:40
  of
• 43:40
  where
• 43:41
  they
• 43:41
  can
• 43:41
  look
• 43:41
  at
• 43:41
  your
• 43:42
  work
• 43:42
  and
• 43:42
  say
• 43:43
  this
• 43:43
  part
• 43:43
  doesn't
• 43:44
  make
• 43:44
  sense
• 43:44
  or
• 43:45
  this
• 43:45
  is
• 43:46
  unclear.
• 43:46
  Over
• 43:46
  here
• 43:47
  I
• 43:47
  have,
• 43:48
  I
• 43:48
  have
• 43:48
  an
• 43:49
  illustration
• 43:49
  critique
• 43:50
  group
• 43:50
  and
• 43:50
  then
• 43:50
  I
• 43:51
  also
• 43:51
  have
• 43:51
  my
• 43:51
  SCBWI
• 43:52
  group
• 43:52
  that
• 43:53
  I
• 43:53
  go
• 43:53
  to.
• 43:53
  Wow.
• 43:54
  Every
• 43:54
  month
• 43:54
  if
• 43:54
  I
• 43:54
  can.
• 43:55
  And
• 43:55
  I
• 43:56
  can't
• 43:57
  tell
• 43:57
  you
• 43:57
  how
• 43:58
  valuable
• 43:58
  that
• 43:58
  is
• 43:59
  other
• 44:00
  than
• 44:00
  just
• 44:00
  saying,
• 44:01
  I
• 44:01
  don't
• 44:02
  think
• 44:02
  I
• 44:02
  would
• 44:02
  have
• 44:03
  continued
• 44:04
  down
• 44:04
  the
• 44:04
  journey
• 44:05
  to
• 44:05
  get
• 44:06
  my
• 44:06
  puck
• 44:07
  out
• 44:07
  unless
• 44:07
  I
• 44:07
  had
• 44:08
  these
• 44:08
  friends
• 44:08
  that
• 44:08
  were
• 44:09
  encouraging
• 44:10
  me
• 44:10
  along
• 44:10
  the
• 44:11
  way
• 44:11
  and
• 44:12
  helping
• 44:12
  me
• 44:13
  get
• 44:13
  stuff
• 44:13
  done
• 44:14
  because
• 44:14
  I
• 44:14
  had
• 44:14
  to
• 44:14
  show
• 44:14
  them
• 44:15
  what
• 44:15
  I
• 44:15
  had
• 44:15
  done.
• 44:16
  Yeah,
• 44:16
  that's
• 44:17
  fantastic
• 44:17
  advice.
• 44:18
  Getting
• 44:19
  into
• 44:19
  a
• 44:19
  group
• 44:20
  and
• 44:20
  sharing
• 44:21
  your
• 44:21
  ideas.
• 44:22
  Bouncing
• 44:22
  it
• 44:23
  off
• 44:23
  like
• 44:24
  minded
• 44:24
  people.
• 44:25
  I
• 44:25
  was
• 44:25
  just
• 44:25
  gonna
• 44:25
  say
• 44:25
  iron
• 44:26
  sharpens
• 44:26
  iron.
• 44:27
  Yes.
• 44:27
  Come
• 44:28
  against
• 44:28
  other
• 44:28
  people
• 44:29
  and
• 44:29
  get
• 44:29
  better.
• 44:30
  Yeah.
• 44:31
  I
• 44:31
  always
• 44:31
  say
• 44:31
  this
• 44:32
  question
• 44:32
  towards
• 44:33
  the
• 44:33
  end
• 44:33
  here
• 44:33
  because
• 44:34
  if
• 44:35
  it's.
• 44:35
  If
• 44:35
  we
• 44:35
  don't
• 44:36
  have
• 44:36
  readers,
• 44:37
  then
• 44:37
  why
• 44:37
  are
• 44:38
  we
• 44:38
  doing
• 44:38
  this?
• 44:38
  What's
• 44:38
  your
• 44:39
  encouragement
• 44:39
  for
• 44:40
  readers?
• 44:40
  Why
• 44:40
  should
• 44:41
  they
• 44:41
  purchase
• 44:42
  your
• 44:42
  book?
• 44:43
  Tell
• 44:43
  us
• 44:43
  about
• 44:43
  that.
• 44:44
  I'm.
• 44:45
  I
• 44:45
  think
• 44:45
  my
• 44:45
  book
• 44:45
  is
• 44:45
  Perfect
• 44:46
  for
• 44:47
  ages
• 44:47
  3
• 44:48
  to
• 44:48
  8
• 44:49
  and
• 44:50
  kids
• 44:50
  who
• 44:50
  are
• 44:51
  afraid
• 44:51
  of
• 44:51
  loud
• 44:52
  noises
• 44:52
  or
• 44:53
  who
• 44:53
  love
• 44:53
  trucks.
• 44:54
  There's
• 44:55
  a
• 44:55
  lot
• 44:55
  of
• 44:55
  kids
• 44:55
  afraid
• 44:55
  of
• 44:56
  thunderstorms.
• 44:56
  And
• 44:57
  I
• 44:57
  think
• 44:57
  this
• 44:57
  book
• 44:58
  will
• 44:58
  bring
• 44:58
  comfort
• 44:58
  and
• 44:59
  help
• 45:00
  them
• 45:01
  reframe
• 45:02
  their
• 45:02
  fear
• 45:02
  in
• 45:03
  a
• 45:03
  new
• 45:03
  way.
• 45:04
  So
• 45:04
  I
• 45:05
  would
• 45:05
  love
• 45:05
  if
• 45:05
  people
• 45:06
  were
• 45:07
  able
• 45:07
  to
• 45:07
  buy
• 45:07
  it.
• 45:08
  I
• 45:08
  also
• 45:09
  just,
• 45:10
  I
• 45:11
  write
• 45:11
  books
• 45:11
  because
• 45:12
  I
• 45:12
  want
• 45:13
  to
• 45:13
  encourage
• 45:14
  families
• 45:15
  to
• 45:15
  read
• 45:15
  together
• 45:16
  as
• 45:16
  well.
• 45:16
  That's
• 45:17
  a
• 45:17
  big
• 45:17
  thing
• 45:17
  on
• 45:17
  my
• 45:17
  website.
• 45:18
  If
• 45:18
  you
• 45:18
  go
• 45:18
  to
• 45:18
  it.
• 45:19
  Good
• 45:19
  for
• 45:19
  you
• 45:19
  Is
• 45:20
  encouraging
• 45:21
  family
• 45:21
  read
• 45:21
  aloud
• 45:22
  because
• 45:22
  I
• 45:23
  feel
• 45:23
  like
• 45:23
  that's
• 45:24
  been
• 45:25
  so
• 45:25
  great
• 45:26
  in
• 45:26
  our
• 45:26
  own
• 45:27
  family's
• 45:27
  lives
• 45:28
  and
• 45:28
  we
• 45:28
  didn't
• 45:28
  stop
• 45:29
  like
• 45:29
  when
• 45:29
  they
• 45:30
  could
• 45:30
  start
• 45:30
  reading
• 45:30
  themselves.
• 45:31
  We
• 45:31
  just
• 45:31
  read
• 45:31
  chapter
• 45:32
  books
• 45:32
  now
• 45:33
  all
• 45:33
  together
• 45:33
  as
• 45:34
  a
• 45:34
  family
• 45:34
  and
• 45:35
  it's
• 45:35
  like
• 45:35
  a
• 45:35
  bonding
• 45:35
  experience
• 45:37
  and
• 45:37
  you
• 45:37
  can
• 45:37
  discuss
• 45:38
  ideas
• 45:38
  with
• 45:39
  your
• 45:39
  kids
• 45:40
  that
• 45:40
  you
• 45:40
  wouldn't
• 45:41
  necessarily
• 45:42
  talk
• 45:42
  about
• 45:42
  otherwise.
• 45:43
  And
• 45:43
  I
• 45:44
  just
• 45:44
  really
• 45:44
  want
• 45:45
  families
• 45:45
  to
• 45:45
  read
• 45:46
  together.
• 45:46
  Excellent.
• 45:47
  It's
• 45:48
  interesting
• 45:49
  because
• 45:49
  the
• 45:50
  author
• 45:50
  I
• 45:50
  was
• 45:50
  telling
• 45:50
  you
• 45:51
  about,
• 45:51
  children's
• 45:51
  book
• 45:51
  author,
• 45:52
  is
• 45:52
  now
• 45:52
  on
• 45:52
  his.
• 45:52
  Who
• 45:53
  just
• 45:53
  launched
• 45:53
  his
• 45:53
  fourth
• 45:54
  book.
• 45:54
  He
• 45:54
  asked
• 45:55
  if
• 45:55
  we
• 45:55
  would
• 45:56
  be
• 45:56
  part
• 45:56
  of
• 45:56
  his
• 45:56
  book
• 45:57
  launch
• 45:57
  team
• 45:58
  and
• 45:58
  I
• 45:59
  said
• 45:59
  to
• 45:59
  him,
• 45:59
  would
• 45:59
  you
• 46:00
  mind
• 46:00
  if
• 46:00
  my
• 46:01
  grandson
• 46:02
  did
• 46:02
  a
• 46:02
  book
• 46:03
  review
• 46:03
  on
• 46:03
  your
• 46:04
  new
• 46:04
  book
• 46:04
  coming
• 46:05
  out?
• 46:05
  That's
• 46:06
  what
• 46:06
  happened.
• 46:06
  And
• 46:06
  we
• 46:07
  turned
• 46:07
  it
• 46:07
  into
• 46:07
  a
• 46:08
  short
• 46:08
  podcast
• 46:09
  episode.
• 46:10
  And
• 46:11
  my
• 46:11
  grandson,
• 46:12
  of
• 46:12
  course,
• 46:13
  we
• 46:13
  talked
• 46:13
  about
• 46:14
  the
• 46:14
  new
• 46:14
  book.
• 46:14
  Getting
• 46:15
  your
• 46:15
  children
• 46:15
  involved,
• 46:16
  getting
• 46:17
  them
• 46:17
  to
• 46:17
  read.
• 46:18
  It's
• 46:18
  definitely
• 46:18
  been
• 46:19
  a
• 46:19
  lot
• 46:19
  of
• 46:19
  fun,
• 46:19
  right?
• 46:20
  Yeah.
• 46:20
  I
• 46:20
  support
• 46:20
  you
• 46:21
  A
• 46:21
  thousand
• 46:22
  percent.
• 46:23
  Thank
• 46:23
  you.
• 46:24
  You're
• 46:24
  welcome.
• 46:25
  Final
• 46:25
  thoughts?
• 46:26
  Is
• 46:27
  there
• 46:27
  something
• 46:28
  that
• 46:28
  you
• 46:29
  thought.
• 46:29
  Oh,
• 46:29
  Rick,
• 46:30
  I
• 46:30
  wish
• 46:30
  you
• 46:30
  would
• 46:31
  ask
• 46:31
  me
• 46:31
  that
• 46:31
  or.
• 46:32
  I'd
• 46:32
  love
• 46:32
  to
• 46:32
  share.
• 46:33
  Any
• 46:33
  final
• 46:34
  thoughts?
• 46:35
  I
• 46:35
  can't
• 46:35
  think
• 46:35
  of
• 46:36
  anything.
• 46:36
  No,
• 46:36
  that's
• 46:37
  fine.
• 46:37
  I
• 46:37
  just
• 46:37
  want
• 46:38
  to.
• 46:38
  I
• 46:38
  just
• 46:38
  like
• 46:38
  to
• 46:39
  make
• 46:39
  sure
• 46:39
  if
• 46:39
  someone
• 46:40
  said.
• 46:40
  Thank
• 46:40
  you.
• 46:41
  Charlotte,
• 46:41
  I
• 46:42
  want
• 46:42
  to
• 46:42
  thank
• 46:42
  you
• 46:43
  so
• 46:43
  much
• 46:43
  for
• 46:43
  being
• 46:44
  a
• 46:44
  guest
• 46:44
  on
• 46:44
  the
• 46:44
  Adventures
• 46:45
  in
• 46:45
  the
• 46:46
  Heart
• 46:46
  of
• 46:46
  Children's
• 46:46
  Book
• 46:47
  Authors.
• 46:47
  Your
• 46:48
  generosity
• 46:49
  and
• 46:49
  knowledge
• 46:50
  has
• 46:51
  been
• 46:51
  just
• 46:52
  fantastic,
• 46:53
  especially
• 46:53
  from
• 46:54
  an
• 46:54
  illustrator's
• 46:55
  point
• 46:55
  of
• 46:55
  view.
• 46:55
  Because
• 46:56
  like
• 46:56
  I
• 46:56
  said
• 46:56
  to
• 46:56
  you,
• 46:57
  I
• 46:57
  don't
• 46:57
  get
• 46:57
  that
• 46:57
  too
• 46:57
  often.
• 46:58
  So
• 46:58
  I
• 46:58
  think
• 46:59
  it
• 46:59
  gives
• 46:59
  our
• 47:00
  audience
• 47:00
  a
• 47:01
  chance
• 47:01
  to
• 47:01
  again
• 47:02
  look
• 47:02
  behind
• 47:02
  the
• 47:02
  curtain
• 47:03
  in
• 47:03
  the
• 47:04
  mind
• 47:04
  of
• 47:05
  Children's
• 47:05
  Book
• 47:06
  Illustrator.
• 47:07
  We
• 47:07
  promise
• 47:08
  to
• 47:08
  add
• 47:08
  all
• 47:09
  the
• 47:09
  links
• 47:10
  to
• 47:10
  your
• 47:10
  social
• 47:11
  media,
• 47:11
  your
• 47:12
  website.
• 47:12
  I
• 47:12
  encourage
• 47:13
  the
• 47:13
  audience
• 47:14
  to
• 47:14
  definitely
• 47:14
  go
• 47:15
  to
• 47:15
  your
• 47:15
  website.
• 47:16
  It's
• 47:16
  a
• 47:16
  great
• 47:17
  website
• 47:17
  and
• 47:18
  you'll
• 47:18
  find
• 47:18
  the
• 47:18
  links
• 47:19
  to
• 47:19
  that
• 47:19
  in
• 47:19
  the
• 47:19
  show
• 47:20
  notes.
• 47:20
  If
• 47:20
  you've
• 47:21
  enjoyed
• 47:21
  listening
• 47:22
  to
• 47:22
  the
• 47:22
  show,
• 47:23
  we
• 47:23
  hope
• 47:24
  that
• 47:24
  you
• 47:24
  would
• 47:24
  push
• 47:25
  the
• 47:25
  subscribe
• 47:26
  button.
• 47:27
  And
• 47:27
  also
• 47:28
  feel
• 47:28
  free
• 47:28
  to
• 47:28
  share
• 47:29
  this
• 47:29
  episode
• 47:30
  with
• 47:30
  anyone
• 47:31
  who
• 47:31
  you
• 47:31
  think
• 47:32
  would
• 47:32
  be
• 47:32
  inspired
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  or
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  enjoyed
• 47:34
  hearing
• 47:35
  about
• 47:35
  Charlotte
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  and
• 47:36
  her
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  children's
• 47:36
  book,
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  Storm
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  Trucks.