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Leigh Dundas on Child Sex Trafficking & the Communist Takeover of America · Man in America Podcast

• 1:32
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So I just finished the interview that you're getting getting ready to watch or listen to with Lee Dundas. And I have to say, I it was one of the most powerful interviews that I've ever done. And I I maybe you can tell that I'm just a little bit, kinda set aback because of it.
• 1:58
  It was just we went into some deeply stirring situations that that she had experienced fighting child sex trafficking around the world. But we also looked at the role of communism in the human trafficking trade and child sex trafficking and what allows this to happen, but then tying all of that into what's happening here in America, the place that should be the land of the free and the home of the brave, is quickly falling to tyranny and quickly falling to communism. And so not only is this a deeply soul stirring discussion about trafficking and children and the sound of freedom type stuff, but it really finishes with a extremely important message about how we can stop this slow roll of communism, which is now speeding up in our country, and how we can reclaim our freedom. And it's it's such an important, show and discussion. So I hope that you enjoy it.
• 3:05
  You might grab a box of tissues. I cried during the interview. Admittedly, you'll probably see it on camera at some point. And finally, I hope that you share this with your friends or family. Maybe you can share it to them now, maybe you want to watch a little bit of it or watch it to the end and then share it.
• 3:20
  But I hope that you just watch it and share this because this is a message, and it's multiple messages contained in one package, but the core message of this discussion with Lee Dundas is so critical to get out right now because it shows us what I believe is is the real solution to what we need to do to save our country and to prevent our country from turning into what you now see as these these museums of these holocausts and these killing fields and, everything that we're now looking back and saying never again. Well, if we don't act now, it will be again. So folks, enjoy this interview with freedom fighter, Lee Dundas. So, Lee, it is such a pleasure to have you back on the show. Thank you so much for coming back and joining us here on Man in America.
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me, Seth. It's it's an honor to be here as always.
• 4:14
  Seth Holehouse: You know, it was kinda interesting looking back because our last show we did was around the time of the trucker convoys, and we're talking about DC, and that was maybe 15% of the show. But then we ended up going into human trafficking and child sex trafficking, and I didn't expect it. And all this stuff came out and ended up being a wildly popular show. And this was really, you know, before anybody was talking much about Sound of Freedom or it had hit the mainstream. And, you know, obviously, the past couple of months, we've seen this topic really come up.
• 4:48
  And I think that we're at an a kind of an interesting crossroads right now of looking at the role of human trafficking, role of children in that, but also then getting into the control of governments and officials, especially as we're now hearing these rumblings of new lockdowns coming out and, and all this and it's understanding how this complex web fits together. That was one of the things I remember thinking when I interviewed you first, that you had a very broad perspective of seeing how all the cups on the table fit in to kind of make one whole meal. I guess maybe we can just start, know, because we the interview is quite some time ago, just a kind of quick background of yourself, and just kind of walk us into how you went from just being yourself here in, know, comfortable, cozy America to being, you know, in the the depths of dirty, dangerous child brothels in, you know, almost what you'd say third world countries or third world regions?
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: Well, that is a a fair question. And I and I was. You know, looking back, I was a a mom of a young daughter at the time. She was eight. My husband had just sold his practice here in Orange County, and, I had sort of stopped the practice of law and started helping him with his business so so that we could have more time with with my daughter.
• 6:05
  And, you know, it was 2013. It was almost ten years ago to the day, ironically. And we thought, well, you know, we have a little bit of time and a little bit of money, which is rare when you're a small business owner to have both all at the same time. And we decided to take my daughter out of third grade and spend about four to six months in Australia and New Zealand and and that side of the world. And within a couple days, I was bored.
• 6:27
  I was bored off my arse. I had never not worked, not since I was, like, three years old. I'd always been in school full time, round the clock, Monday through Friday, nine to five, weekends, summers. I mean, I just loved school, went to college when I was 14, got into Yale Law when I was 17, and then I just dove into practicing law where you never have a spare second to yourself. So so to be stuck in Sydney in this ideal, wow.
• 6:52
  You know, we're gonna take four months off and and, you know, be careful what you wish for. Right? You know, sometimes you get it and you realize it's not what it's cracked up to be. So for my part, I just started reaching out to anti sex slavery nonprofits in Australasia that did anti trafficking work, and I said, hey. I'm here.
• 7:10
  I'd I'd like to volunteer. And one for one, everybody, who picked up the phone or answered the door sort of quizzically looked at this white soccer mom from Orange County, California, who wanted to do good, you know, I'm sure is what they were thinking and, promptly as any, you know, self respecting, abolitionist does, slammed the door in my face. So that was how that went for for a good few weeks. And then I got a callback when we were in New Zealand. We had moved on to New Zealand by this point, and, it was a man and his wife who owned restaurants here in Orange County, and they also ran Vietnamese orphan orphanages.
• 7:48
  And they were seeing trafficking issues come through their orphanages. They'd adopted two kids from Vietnam, felt bad they couldn't adopt them all, opened these orphanages, started seeing the trafficking issues that were arising. And they were friends at church here in Orange County with an anti sex slavery nonprofit and the executive crew from that nonprofit that was doing work in Europe at the time on, on brothels and rescuing women and and girls from the brothel scene. And so they had all planned to go to Vietnam and speak to the government officials about the sex trafficking issues in the Vietnamese region, and they called me up out of the blue in response to a voice mail I've left a month earlier and said, hey. We're gonna be in Da Nang, Vietnam on May 23.
• 8:32
  Would you care to join us? And we were in New Zealand at the time, and I remember looking at my husband and going, can we blow this popsicle stand and head to Da Nang? And he's like, yeah. But what's in Da Nang? I said, I don't know.
• 8:44
  But I feel like if I go, I'll know why I went. It's sort of a Kevin Costner feeling. If I if I build it, they will come. You know? So off we went with my eight year old in tow to Vietnam.
• 8:54
  I took the meetings with the the Vietnamese officials, fell in love with the work this nonprofit was doing, came home with a job as their general counsel nominally, but actually was responsible for opening their Southeast Asia office, hiring undercover, guys we were gonna deploy into as assets into the brothels as, you know, fake Johns to sort of scope out the child brothels and then work with the governments in the region to to bust those brothels and get the pimps and traffickers and the Johns, the pedophiles who were buying those seven and eight year old girls for sex, get those guys arrested. So that's what I was doing for the last ten years. And it was quite a different world. The town we worked in in the most in Thailand was on the Malay Thailand border and across the river on the Malaysia side were radical Islamic jihadi terror training cells that would use the child brothels for training. So the first year I worked there, my friend, we had I think it was 330 bombs go off that year because the jihadis were practicing their bombing skills using the brothels as as potter for their for their training.
• 10:02
  So it was a it was a definite left turn from being a soccer mom in Orange County. I'll tell you that. But I wouldn't I wouldn't change it for the world. The work I did was soul satisfying in a way that I had never experienced. And the lessons I learned working in third world, many of them communist countries, I had no idea that God was preparing me for the season we're in now.
• 10:27
  Seth Holehouse: Incredible. So when you talk about these child brothels, you know, I'm sure that, you know, I've been researching child sex trafficking and, you know, a lot about communism and organ harvesting for quite some time. So by the time we got the Sound of Freedom and that had come out, it was fitting into a picture that already existed in my mind of what this you know, the industry looked like. Now for a lot of people, that might have been their first interaction with seeing this. And it there's a you know, just through the lens of, you know, Tim Ballard, that was a specific, you know, kind of path that he was on, was rescuing individual children.
• 11:06
  And but there weren't he wasn't going to child brothels, was more so that these were children that, you know, showed like a hotel room or something like that, because you would imagine that in at least where he was at, and you'd think in most places of the world that a child brothel couldn't exist. Mean, that would be, you know, just highly illegal that people could just walk in and see children everywhere. So the regions that you were at along the river, what what is a child brothel? And was it was it something very hidden, or was it out in the open? Were there a lot
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: of them? It's a good question. And and I thank you for it was very actually insightful question because we say child brothels because it's the quickest way to convey to an American or a first world, viewership, children being sold for sex in a in a certain way. The reality is brothels as we thought of in the forties or fifties don't really exist anymore. In America, what you see is the brothel trade has moved into hotel rooms.
• 12:07
  So people think, oh, my town couldn't possibly have a child trafficking, you know, issue. I live in Nebraska. I live in California. I live in, you know, England. Well, the first question I ask is, do you have a hotel or motel in your town?
• 12:25
  And people go, yeah. I mean, even small towns usually have a, you know, travel lodgers.
• 12:30
  Robert Kiyosaki: Motel e. Motel six. Yeah.
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: And, yeah, it's super eight. And that is that is the new face of the brothel. They don't have dedicated brothels anymore. These pimps will rent a hotel room or a motel room, and they'll shove six, eight, 10 girls in the room. And, they'll just rent those girls out, and they'll put the girl in the car, drive them to the to the John, the buyer's hotel room down the road, or the guy will come to them, rent a hotel room, and they'll walk them down the hall to the next room over, and they'll do their business, and there they are.
• 13:00
  But the girls are often housed in in America or first world countries in a room. When you go to third world countries, and I'm speaking of of places like Africa and Asia now, but you also see this, I think, in places that that Tim Ballard was working. You also have what are nominally hotels or bars, but really they're brothels because either a percentage or all of the hotel rooms in that entity, that business, are dedicated to sex the sex slave trade. So when we go to the town, I say there's 140 child brothels in this town I work in. They're actually hotels with names, and they look probably to a tourist, although you don't get anybody but sex tourists in this region.
• 13:45
  But, you know, if you were to go, into this town, you think, oh, there's an Asian hotel. Yes and no. When you walk in, there's a front desk. But 100% of the rooms in there are being rented by Johns, and they're being used by sex slaves. So when I go there, because there are no actual hotels, I am staying in the hotel.
• 14:07
  And, of course, I am not having child sex activities occur in my room, but when you walk out into the hallway and you look down the corridor, aside from the ginormous rats and cockroaches that are sometimes skittering along the inside of the hotel, you've got, you know, door jam after door jam after door jam, and the doors are propped open, and you see men standing in the door jam with their arm across it, and tucked into their armpit is one or two, you know, 10, 12, 13 year old girls, and they're standing there fresh out of the shower smoking a cigarette, and they've got, you know, what looks like a loincloth on. It's an oversized hand towel covering there in other regions, and they're chatting to their friend who's also rented a couple girls and is in the room across the hallway. And that is what that looks like. As well, at least in Asian areas, you see the bar brothel. So you'll walk down.
• 14:58
  Let me see. I think I have a picture in the book. You walk down a dirt alley and they have if you've ever been to, like, Downtown LA in the, auto body regions, you know, they've got the roll up metal gates, you know, and and they roll them up and they work on cars. Well, they have roll up metal gates on and it's just just hole in the wall, hole in the wall establishment as you roll up metal gates and around three, four, 05:00 in the evening, the gates roll up and you see I don't know if you can focus in on this top picture here, but it's just it's just the front of a bar and there's writing on, you know, the glass window and there's girls sitting in front. And you go in there, and there's a few booze and some pop up card tables and chairs.
• 15:45
  I mean, plastic chairs. This is very low brow. And there's a waitress, a momma son, who will come out and, oh, what you want? And you point at the picture of the Pepsi or the beer that you want and the burger on the menu. And sometimes there's a stage and you can literally point at the girl by number.
• 16:05
  You know, she'll have a number pinned to her dress. Or if it's a a gay bar, you'll men in in what look like diapers, or boxers, and they'll have, boys, you know, with with numbers on their boxer briefs. And you just say, I want number 15 or I want number 30. And so they bring you your burger and fries and beer and Coke and you eat it and you chitchat with your friends. But unlike an American bar where then you turn your attention to the football game or you pay your bill and leave, at the end of that, you get up and you go into the back with the girl or the boy you ordered, and you do your business, and you come back out.
• 16:40
  Maybe you sing karaoke, and then you do it again in a couple hours or you don't, and you terminate your visit for the night. But that is what it looks like in those regions, and it is very different than in first world countries because here it is covert. It is much harder to buy certainly a child. Much harder to buy knowingly buy a child for sex and have that transaction be out in the open. In third world countries, you can go in and you can absolutely buy children for sex or whatever floats your boat.
• 17:08
  I mean, pretty much anything, any kink, any perversion that you can imagine or even can't imagine is for sale for the right price.
• 17:16
  Seth Holehouse: And what are the age ranges? I mean, what's what are the youngest that you've seen in in these areas?
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Well, the first time I was doing work in this region, and I had chickened out from doing it after I learned that bombs went off in the region because my husband I was working I was doing two weeks in Thailand, Two Weeks home to get our Southeast Asia office opening open rather, and a pastor that we were working with said, oh, you gotta come down to the Deep South with me. And I said, okay. Because I'm game for anything and Finnish pastor by way of Australia. Nice guy. I'd, you know, been doing a lot of work with him already.
• 17:53
  And my husband that night on a Skype call said well, ex military husband, I should mention goes, Are you sure it's safe, babe? And I said, well, you know, the pastor's still alive. He's been doing work there. I'm sure it's probably okay. And, he said, well, why don't you just, you know, do a little research?
• 18:09
  So I went down. I was at that point in in a hotel in Bangkok. I went down to the business office, and I did a an English newspaper search for the name of the town, and I didn't come up with anything. But the business office guy, young 18 year old kid, who was perfectly bilingual in English and Thai walked in, and I said, hey. Would you mind doing a a word search on the name of this town in the Thai speaking newspapers?
• 18:30
  Tell me what you got. And he came back white as a sheet. And he said, permission to speak freely? And I said, of course. That's why I asked for your help.
• 18:41
  And he looked at me and he said, I'm Thai. Obviously, I'm male. And I grew up here and I speak the language fluently and you couldn't pay me to go where you're intending to go. Nobody goes there. Nobody even in Thailand goes to the Deep South unless you're a radical jihadi bomber or you're involved in that or you're you were happened to have the misfortune to be born there and you haven't yet gotten out.
• 19:12
  Bombs go off there every day. And, I said, oh. And I talked to my husband and I had an eight year old little girl at home and I felt very bad, but I made some excuse, and I chickened out. And forty eight hours later, I was home tucking my daughter into bed, and she fell asleep in my armpit. And I was staring at the ceiling as parents so often do after the little one falls asleep and you read him the good night story.
• 19:34
  And I just remember, Seth, I had tears that were leaking down the sides of my face into her pillow. And I thought, you know what? Corporate lawyers are a dime a dozen. We are overpop I thought we were overpopulated at the time of lawyers. Boy, was I wrong.
• 19:50
  Nothing like a change of season to to correct you in your in your estimations there. But I I thought, you know, we're a dime a dozen, and how many people are fighting the sex trade where it needs to be fought? No one. I am not living my best life safe at home in Orange County. And I got out of bed, you know, pulled my arm quietly out from my daughter's neck, tiptoed out to the kitchen, and texted the pastor that I would be back in a week and I was gonna go to that region.
• 20:19
  And we got in the car out of the airport after we landed at Naratiwat Airport, and he said it's a three hour drive. And he's this little white guy, and he floored it. And, I mean, I was jet lagged as I'll get out. It's a twenty five to thirty five hour flight depending on the layovers. And I thought, you know, I'm damn sure we're going over a hundred miles an hour, but maybe I'm just really jet lagged.
• 20:42
  And he must have he must have seen those shocked look on my face because he looks over and he goes, do you want me to explain? And I said, please. And he goes, the way they do it, the bombers do it, is they hide behind those rubber trees you see on the side of the road, and they wait for a good looking Target car. And I said, oh, like a rental car with a bunch of white people in it? And he goes, yes.
• 21:03
  We're military or police. And then they remote detonate. And he did that with his finger. I looked over and I said, so you're just outrunning their trigger finger right now? And he goes, yep.
• 21:15
  And I said, keep it on the freaking floor. And he said, would you like to pray? And I said, you can do that and drive 120 miles an hour, absolutely. And we prayed like our lives depended on it because they did. And every 30, we hit a checkpoint with a raised tower that reminded me of the U 2 all along the watchtower song that was popular in the nineties, and it had German shepherd dogs, and they would go into your car with these mirrors that were on extension poles and German shepherds barking on chain and these guys in military camo with fully loaded, fully automatic weapons set to fire.
• 21:54
  And, I mean, concertina wire and tack strips, you were going back and forth between sawhorses to forcibly slow you down. And I'm like, they think we're the bombers? And he goes, they scan everybody because they just don't know. And I was like, holy shit. And you finally get to the town.
• 22:11
  And you're, like, sweating bullets and you're thinking, thank god I've arrived, and then you're like, wait a second. I'm sleeping in a brothel tonight. This is just my this is just starting. But, it is absolutely crazy what goes on there, and I'm so sorry. I got off telling a story, and I haven't eaten breakfast yet.
• 22:26
  I don't have enough blood sugar. And you remember why I started telling that story, but but, the the work you do is definitely different than the work you see in America, and there are just not enough people doing it. And it is very gratifying when you are able to make a difference in these regions. But the sex trade in these regions is very different because it is out in your face. It is overt.
• 22:48
  The bombing is overt. The tensions between the Buddhist and the Islamic crowd are overt. The pedophilia is on display, and the people who are supposed to be fixing it, the cops, the government, and the parents who are set on this planet to protect people are the ones perpetrating. So you go into these brothels and you see armed uniformed cops going in and out of the brothels, and they they go in for five minutes. Sometimes they go in for thirty minutes, and they've got a big old bag.
• 23:22
  And it gets bigger and bigger and bigger as the night goes on and they wander in and out of the alley. Right? And I look I looked at the bastard, I'm like, what are they doing? And he goes, they're on the take. It's like the nineteen forties in New York City.
• 23:33
  And I'm like, oh, so we've got the fox guarding the head house. And he goes, yeah. Sometimes it's thirty minutes because they're not just taking money from the brothel to allow the brothel to stay in existence. They are getting serviced while they're in there. So the girls have no hope.
• 23:46
  Their parents sold them into the brothel. They can't call their parents for help. And the people, the cops who are supposed to be busting the brothel aren't gonna bust the brothel because when that cop gets done working his nine to five job, let me tell you, folks, he goes down the road and he clocks in working for the mafia owner who's running the brothel. So to think that that guy is going to arrest the brothel owner is falling. He's not gonna arrest the brothel owner.
• 24:06
  The brothel owner is the one signing his second job paycheck and ensuring that his daughter doesn't have to be sold into sex slavery and can go to private school in New Zealand. So that is the the nature of the game in these areas that you're working in, and there but for the grace of God go you and yours because if you were born in Cambodia or Laos instead of California or Iowa, you know, that would be your lot in life.
• 24:32
  Seth Holehouse: Wow. You mentioned before that really that it was whatever money, you know, whatever can be bought with money is the things you can imagine, things you can't imagine. And and, you know, I'll I'll leave the discretion up to you, but I feel like there's a lot of this that people just don't talk about. There's a lot of this, you know, when you get into things like the organ harvesting, adrenochrome, some of these types of things, you know, the hunting parties that I've read much about, you know, and so what are some of the things that you've seen that people don't talk about that maybe are difficult to talk about that, you know, and There's
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: no it's, yeah. It's a fantastic question. There's no lower level on the ages in well, really anywhere. It's just harder in first world countries to get your hands on a two year old for sex versus a 22 year old. But that I think was the jump off point, and thank you for reminding me.
• 25:33
  We were walking the first night after that harrowing car ride in. We get to the brothel town, and I'm like, whew. We made it. And we checked into the brothel and got our rooms, and the and it was horrifying. And the the pastor looks at me and he goes, don't worry.
• 25:49
  You're too old for them. And I'm right next door to you. Just yell if you need me. I'm like, okay. And he goes, I'll meet you back down here in fifteen minutes, and we'll go get a bite of dinner, I'll start showing you the town.
• 26:01
  And we're walking down the street alleyway and you hear you it's gorgeous, by the way. I mean, the area we're in is the Deep South Of Thailand and that's we're in a slightly different area, but when people go to the islands of Thailand and they talk about, oh, what are the names of all the islands? But you know what I'm talking about. Where all the tourists go? You know?
• 26:23
  And all those places, it's tropical. It looks like Hawaii. It looks like any other tropical locale, and we're walking down this dirt road in these alleys, which are not so pretty. But when you look up, the foliage is pretty and the sky is pretty, and you hear these these little birds and bird noises, and it's beautiful. And I looked up and there were grates on I don't know if I have a picture in the book.
• 26:45
  There were grates on some of the upper levels of these buildings. And he goes, do you hear the birds? And I said, yeah, do. And he goes, and do you see those grates? And I said, yeah, I do.
• 26:58
  And he goes, so on the very upper levels of the buildings where you see the iron, grates over the windows, that's where the very youngest girls are kept. You won't see those tonight in the brothels. You'll see, you know, preteen teens, but you won't see really young ones. Not in this town. There's other places, but not here and not on display.
• 27:22
  And I said, oh, and he said, and the birds are the bird nest soup? And I just remembered thinking and I talked about it in one of the later chapters of my book, the juxtaposition between the beauty that your ears and eyes are perceiving and the dark underbelly of what it's used for. Right? And and then we talked to a girl. I think it was actually later that night.
• 27:45
  And, actually, no. It was I came back in October. We we took a film a Christian film crew. We're gonna make a a film short, not unlike, what Tim Ballard was up to, but really just interview, you know, an interview with the victim kind of a thing. And we wanted to make clear that in Asia, the parents were selling their children to the brothels because in Europe, where a lot of my, organization had been previously focused, it was a bait and switch.
• 28:09
  These poor gypsy, Roma, Eastern Ukrainian girls are recruited by recruiters who come to their village. They say, hey. You're gonna be a rich cocktail waitress in Greece, and the family gives their blessing, and the girl's like, yay. I'm gonna go help support my family. And then en route to Italy or Greece or wherever they're drugged, their paperwork's taken away, and they wake up in a brothel being raped 10 times a night until they're sufficiently apathetic to put in with customers.
• 28:31
  But when you rescue these girls, these women, young women really at that point, and you ask them what happened, they're like, was a total bait and switch operation. I thought I was gonna be a maid or a waitress, not stuck in a brothel. That is not the case in Asia. So we wanted to make that clear, and we were interviewing the only girl actually who had volunteered in the brothel to be interviewed, and the momma san had signed off, allowed her to be interviewed. And we rented a room in the brothel cum hotel, and we had put her chair in the corner so it shadowed her face appropriately like sixty minutes does.
• 29:02
  And she walked in a little before 6PM. She said, I'm late for a date. I can only give you a few minutes. And she was maybe 12 or 13 wearing an a peach organza chiffon party dress, and she sat in a corner very demurely, clasped her hands very innocently in her lap, and waited for her questions. And one of the questions was, did you know when you got here what you would be doing?
• 29:24
  And she looked at the camera and she said, I knew exactly what I would be doing, but I'm not unhappy. And you could've heard a pin drop at that last part. And my British colleague is from London, and he leans over and he goes, Lee, something must have been wrong with that translation we got back because nobody's happy to be in a brothel. Ask it again. And so we do.
• 29:46
  And for the second time in as many minutes, she gives the exact same answer, and then she she elaborates there. She said, I knew exactly what I'd be doing. I'm not unhappy because my seven brothers and sisters have food on the table, and they're not starving to death nor is my mother. And if you had asked me just prior to that, do you think it's wrong to sell your eldest daughter or any daughter of yours to to a brothel? You and I and your viewers all probably would have had the same answer to that question.
• 30:12
  One one very clear answer. But now that you've heard me say that, I ask you this. Is it any more or less wrong to not sell your eldest daughter to a brothel so that you can watch all seven or 10 of your kids starve to death this year? Is that a better, higher, more useful outcome? And then you rapidly realize that we're all asking the wrong question.
• 30:37
  You need to ask how the hell do you as a parent get so freaking poor that that's the equation? Sell a kid so they don't all starve, including that one, or don't sell a kid and all starve to death in the next three months. That is what these families 90% of the girls we work with in the Thai brothels are coming from Laos. What is Laos? A currently communist country.
• 30:58
  Talk to me about Cambodia, which sits right to the side that I also work in right next to Thailand. Yeah. Cambodia may as well be a communist country. Had a communist overthrow when I was a child in the seventies. '19 '70 '7, '8, Pol Pot came to town, dragged all the intellectual elite, rounded them up in non Pen, the architects, the doctors, the lawyers, the teachers, government workers, post office workers.
• 31:20
  You had glasses. You didn't have calluses on your hands. You were definitely rich. And the the intellectual elite. They wanted to get rid of you because those are the people in society with resources and brains and money, and those are the people who are a danger when they're doing a communist overthrow.
• 31:35
  And they rounded them up, and they said, you know what? It's just gonna be two weeks. You know what? You're gonna learn to have nothing and be happy. Sound like Klaus Schwab on a different day?
• 31:43
  Right. We're gonna take you out into the countryside. You're gonna learn to be farmers. We're gonna all be communist and have communism, be equal and happy. Yeah.
• 31:50
  What they don't tell you is you're gonna be equally poor and starving to death. That's how you're gonna be equal. And by the way, nobody ever gets rid of classes like communism wants to because there was always somebody gunning to be in power, in charge, and there you go. Now you've got at least two classes again. Right?
• 32:04
  So they take them all out, and those who don't starve to death quickly enough, they put a bullet in the back of their brain, but bullets are pricey. So about a week later, they stop using bullets and they just hatchet you because hatchets can be reused and that they let you let you fall into shallow graves. And I took my daughter to the killing fields of Cambodia when she was eight years old, and I didn't really know what I was doing. And maybe if I had thought it out, I wouldn't have done it. But you know what?
• 32:26
  Ten years later, worrying that I was gonna create a kid who was gonna live in, like, a one floor over the cuckoo's nest crazy house, it was actually the best damn thing I could have done, and I encourage everybody listening to your to your broadcast today to take your Grand Canyon and Disneyland vacation off the deck. You wanna do your kid a favor? Do not drag them to the tourist first world traps. Take them to the killing fields of Cambodia. Walk them through those fields.
• 32:51
  Have them read the little signs that say, every year when the rains come, fifty damn years later. To this day, the shallow graves and the sandy silt on top of those graves will wash away, and the bones of those executed by communist a holes will still rise to the surface. And they put those bones in a big glass structure at the end of the killing fields, which I didn't know existed. I thought it was just a bunch of empty fields and that we could read the signs, and my daughter wasn't fully reading at the time. And I thought I could just have her listen to the little audio tape, and I would prescreen the chapter of the audio tape and give her the parts that were g rated.
• 33:26
  But at the end of that, I didn't notice there's this big glass structure that looks like a really tall Rubik's cube made of glass, and that is where they put the bones of the dead. And on one shelf is the skulls, and on the next shelf is, you know, the leg bones, and on the third shelf are the arm bones. And like any self respecting eight year old, my daughter walked through the field, saw this big glass structure, and took the hell off running over to it. And by the time my fat lazy buns caught up, she was eyeball to eye socket with that. And she looked at me and she said, mama, how did this happen?
• 34:07
  In for a penny, in for a pound at that point, I couldn't hit the erase button. And I knelt down next to her so that I was also eye to eye to her, and I grabbed her jaw away from the skulls, and I trained her face on mine. And I said, those in power lied to the people. And by the time they figured it out, it was too late. Let this be a lesson to you.
• 34:32
  You don't ever trust anybody in a position of authority simply because they are in a position of authority or anybody else. Parents, grandparents, teachers, nobody is above suspicion. You listen to your gut and you do your own damn thinking on the topic. And then and only then do you make a decision. You don't simply adopt or listen to what other people are saying.
• 34:55
  And that child has never forgotten the lessons she learned that day. And she is in the most liberal campus on the face of the planet right now, and I do not worry about it for a single second. She already converted her roommate to Christianity this year. And the things don't people people don't talk about, there is no lower age bracket on tyranny, whether you're selling your daughter to a brothel so she doesn't starve. My secretary that worked for me in the nonprofit in Thailand was also an intel asset.
• 35:30
  And I said to the intermediary who hired her for me, who was a a man, a Thai man in the country that was running Us office space to get us started in in Bangkok, I said, wait a second. She's a secretary and, like, an intel asset, like, trying to reconcile the notion of my navy seal guys with a 90 pound, you know, Asian secretary who was 17 years old. And he goes, I'll let you tell her her story to you herself. So she did. About a weekend, she walked in my office, said, I got your printer talking to your laptop, and then she said she wouldn't leave.
• 36:02
  She definitely had a story to tell and so I just bided my time. And she said, so I'm the product of what happens when an Australian marries a Thai woman. That's why I speak fluent English and Thai. But my dad was a mean drunk, and he would beat my mom up every time he got into the bottle, which was daily. So one day when I was 11 or 12 years old, he was beating the crap out of her.
• 36:21
  I walked down the dirt road to sit on a bus bench that was about a mile down and try to get some air. And when I looked up, a pickup truck had careened to a stop in front of me. Three big buff guys jumped out, put a needle in my arm. I don't know what narcotic was in it, but when I woke up, I was in a slave trading camp on the Thailand Burmese border, which is now Myanmar. And where brothel owners the world over would come to buy their product, we were the product.
• 36:51
  And the reason I woke up is because a two year old next to me would not stop crying, and the guards lost patience with her, and they just shot her at point blank range. And the loud sound of the weapon discharging right next to my ear is what brought me back to consciousness. And I just looked at her. I I mean, I she had just been talking to me about my printer, and all of a sudden, here we are. And and she continued the story.
• 37:18
  And she said, so we were just sport, and there were more of us where the where the prior came from the prior girl came from. So unlike drug dealers who never willingly flushed their cocaine down the toilet, with our product, if the guards got bored or tired of execute us because there were always more girls to fill the pipeline. So one day, they lined us all up in a firing line, and they just went down girl to girl laying guns on temples and executing the girls. And at this point, she got really upset, and and she'd been very flat affect prior to that. And and she was I have never heard more disgust ever come out of anybody's mouth.
• 37:59
  Not a rape victim, not a a PTSD Vietnam vet, Nobody. And with a voice that was dripping with hatred and disgust, she said, and every girl would drop to her knees and beg for her life to no avail. And and, I mean, she was pissed at these other girls. And then she stopped talking. And I I was like, cat got my tongue.
• 38:28
  I was just mute at that point. And it it took me a second, but when I realized she wasn't gonna continue the story, I looked at her and I said, and so what did you do when the guards got to you? And she said, I stood up, and I reached out to my hand and I said, give me your gun. I don't wanna effing live like this. I'll shoot myself.
• 38:55
  And the owner of the camp was walking by and he overheard her say that. And he said, you follow me into the Kwanzaa Hut office that he set up. And he sat her down in the guest chair across from his desk, and he had a chair like mine on on his side. And he looked at her and he said, you know what? I've been doing this decades.
• 39:13
  Decades. And everybody but everybody will in the final analysis, no matter how much of a tough guy they think they are, no matter how much of a poser they are, they will always but always beg for their life, and you didn't, and I wanna know why. And for the second time that day, she looked at him and said, I'll repeat what I said outside. She stood up, leaned over his desk, stuck out her hand, and said, I know you have a gun in one of those desk drawers. Give it to me.
• 39:44
  I'm not living like this anymore. I'll shoot myself right now. And according to what she said, he leaned back in his chair, put his hands behind his head, looked at her for a few seconds, and then went like this. Get the hell out of here. You're free to go.
• 40:01
  She walked out alive. And story ended. She got up off of my chair, went to make for my door, got to the door jam by the time I finally got my wits about me, paused briefly as she was going to close my door, and when she turned her head back to grab the doorknob, I stopped her and I said, Jenny? And she said, yeah. And I said, you did good.
• 40:28
  Because she was a kid. She was a kid. 17. I'll never forget. She looked back at me and she said, what?
• 40:39
  And I said, you did good. You survived a place nobody survives. Don't ever forget it. You did good and you're gonna continue to do good with your life. Starting by helping us.
• 40:52
  Thank you. And that kid beamed a smile ear to hear. I've never seen a brighter smile on anybody's face, not even my own child's face. And she sailed out of that room like she was walking on clouds. I don't think I don't think anybody had ever told that child she had gotten good, and she had.
• 41:10
  And I learned a lesson that day that I have not forgotten since, and it was the lesson I closed with on the very first Clay Clark reawaken America. But because America needs to hear it over and over and over again. And the whole world needs to hear it over and over and over again. And that lesson is very simple. When you were looking tyranny in the face, when you are staring at a literal, not a figurative, Tell me again if you had a vax mandate and you said you had a gun to your head.
• 41:36
  Did you really? Because let me tell you folks, I don't mean to minimize your experience. I understand you were gonna lose your job. I understand you might have lost your apartment, your house. I understand you might have ended up living in your car with your kids.
• 41:46
  But nobody that I know actually had an actual gun to their head. She did. You always you always have a choice. Even if they had muzzled her and tied her hands behind her back, she had a choice to stand up and die with dignity and die on her feet versus not. And that is the lesson.
• 42:07
  When you are looking at an actual or figurative locked and loaded gun that is full of hate and anger and vitriol and whatever else that is set to do you in, you stand up always. That is how you fight tyranny, whether it's a little bit of tyranny or a lot of tyranny. Whether you're at war for just one day with your PTA or your kid's principal or whether you're in a real war like we are in right now. And that, my friends, is why the book is called just stand up. Because that is the lesson over and over again.
• 42:38
  So you asked, what are the things nobody talks about? The fact that courage is contagious. The fact that we have forgotten that we are a country founded on courage. The fact that we are always in the majority. The fact that we will always win and we always have one.
• 42:54
  It just takes way too long for good people to appreciate the mayhem that the minority of bad people can bring to bear. The CNN had been standing in Auschwitz with the videos rolling. World War two never would have gone down the way it did. The Jewish population lost control of this, of that. They lost their microphone.
• 43:14
  You don't ever lose your communication channel when you are at war because when you lose it, you lose all. You lose your ability to get the word out, to tell the story, to marshal other like minded people to stand up and say no. And that is all you need to do. Most of the time, bullets don't need to fly. They don't.
• 43:35
  All you need to do is stand up. And many times, the simple act of standing up will be so damn shocking and outrageous to people who expect you to turn the other cheek so they can slap it again, that they'll just walk away as the captor did with the with the woman I told you the story about. So things they don't talk about. Does adrenocrome happen? I have no doubt.
• 43:55
  Does sex jackupicking of babies happen? Yes. I've seen video. Trust me. You don't want to.
• 44:01
  Can you buy children openly in third world countries? Yes. You can. Can you do it here? Yeah.
• 44:07
  I'm gonna tell you a stat right now that'll blow your socks off. Georgia, not the one in by Russia, but the one by Florida, our Georgia, did an study of online buying of pedophiles about ten, fifteen years ago. Fifteen maybe years ago now. And they were went trolling, trolling with ads for men who wanted to buy sex online. And when the guys responded to it, they responded back saying, hey, we're all we think we're out of adults.
• 44:33
  You might end up with an underage girl. And they wanted to see what percentage of men who wouldn't weren't looking for child sex to start with, but when presented with the option, what percentage would continue, right, even though it was happenstance. And if the men continued past the first warning, they got a more stern warning that said, hey. It looks like you're definitely gonna be getting an underage minor for sex tonight. And if they continued past that point in the third the the second warning, they got a third warning that was hit you between the eyes and it was, hey, dude.
• 45:04
  You're buying a minor for sex and that's pretty much illegal everywhere in The US. Are you sure you wanna continue? And they wanted to know what percentage of men who went off to buy an adult girl online for sex that night when given the option of buying a youth, even knowing it was illegal, would continue. And they expected it to be a small percentage. And they also wanted to see what the demographics were of the buying crowd.
• 45:29
  And shockingly, 47% of men who started out buying sex with an adult when given the option of buying sex with a seven or 16 year old said, sure. I'll continue.
• 45:42
  Seth Holehouse: 47.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: And those men were not 47. Half. Half. And those men were not the men that we think of when you go see a blockbuster film. It was not scrumgy, old, weird uncle Albert who's 72 in his trench coat scoping out kids on the junior high school campus from his, you know, crappy van with his Banox and flashing kids.
• 46:04
  They were guys that looked like you or my husband. They were largely white. They were upper middle class from the good side of the tracks in Atlanta, Georgia. On average married, had 2.3 kids and a white picket fence at home, waited for their wives to go out of work for a conference, sent the kid to the girl scout sleepover down the street, order problem. So that's we say they, we say them, husband.
• 46:28
  These are the things we don't talk about. These are the things we need to talk about more.
• 46:36
  Seth Holehouse: I don't even know where to where.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Sorry. No. That was another monologue. Oops.
• 46:42
  Seth Holehouse: I, you know, it's like, think by now, I think I've done two fifty interviews, and I can't recall a single interview that's hit me like this one has. And it makes me think, gosh, I gotta figure out some way to get in person with you for, like, three hours and just do, do like a Joe Rogan style, interview. And there's so much that
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll be at the Clay Clark event Yes. This Friday. You're gonna be there, but pigeonhole me there.
• 47:13
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. So there's there's so much more I wanna talk about. There's so many angles I wanna go with. But because we've got less than ten minutes left, I I think a really important place to end this is here in America, we're now seeing, you know, as Alex Jones reported, the whistleblowers, it looks like the engine's being turned back on for COVID two point zero. We know that we're heading into an election year.
• 47:43
  We look at what what's always happened in recent number of election years. There's been the food factory destruction. There's been weather warfare. We've got fires everywhere. Everything is now happening.
• 47:55
  Right? And I think there's a lot of people that are sitting in America that see what's happening. They know that they're following channels like this. They're watching you. They're going to reawaken tour.
• 48:07
  And they're they're frozen. Like, what do we do? What are the lessons in history? I I feel very blessed because when I was in college, I met a person that escaped communism and was tortured, you know, for eight years in communist China for his his spiritual beliefs. And that was my experience of your eight year old daughter of seeing the bones, something just hit me.
• 48:29
  And I, at that moment, decided to devote my life to exposing communism and fighting against communism, which I think is the greatest parasite and plague this world's ever seen.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:40
  Seth Holehouse: But I think that here we are in America, which is supposed to be the land of the free of the home and the home of the brave, and there's been a communist coup, and there is an active communist takeover and the opposition leader is now being jailed, as you see in so many communist countries in this process. What do we do? Because I don't think the solution is forming militias and getting into civil war. What do we do?
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's it's a really good question. And from my perspective, you're spot on. You know, people who've escaped communism and people who grew up with rough childhoods were the first people I saw speaking out in this 2020 business. And I thought it was such an odd couple.
• 49:26
  You know, I was out there at the beginning in these rallies you know, in April of twenty twenty, you know, a few weeks after the two weeks had obviously become a lie. And it was just so odd that everybody around me were communist, immigrants and child abuse victims or rape victims. And I'm like, what? And then I'm like, well but, of course, these are the people who were lied to by the people that should have been protecting them, their governments, their parents, their whomever. And they learned early and they learned well that you don't just assume that what is being told you is correct.
• 50:04
  So they had a healthy dose of suspicion that was inculcated in them. And they listened to their gut. That's how they stayed alive. That's how they escaped. That's how they were here today.
• 50:16
  So they were not ones to override their gut. They were not ones to ignore the writing on the wall. And the writing on the wall is you very clearly just say, we are in the midst of a communist overthrow. And if you doubt it, go talk to anybody who's escaped communism or anybody like me who's worked in a communist country. Khrushchev said in the fifties or sixties, I'll take America without firing a single shot.
• 50:36
  I will destroy her from within. In 1963, '40 '5 communist goals of of the then communist regimes were read into the open record of our congressional record, and they included things like recognizing Red China, permitting trade between communist countries of any affiliation, taking over the schools, infiltrating the schools, taking them over to use them as a, quote, transmission belt for the purveying of communist and socialist propaganda, taking over the teachers' unions, arbitrating the press, getting rid of families, normalizing divorce, and sexual perversion. Why would political parties taking over one or both political parties. Thank you. I'd forgotten that one.
• 51:14
  Taking over unions. I mean, and, you know, making the founding fathers and the constitution a thing of the past, getting rid of prayer and school because it violates the separation of church and state. And if you look at this list of 45 goals, they're well more than halfway through. They knew they were not gonna win a head to head war with us then or maybe even now, but they could win this kind of war. And we are in the midst of what happened in Cambodia, what happened during the Holocaust or even though that was fascism, not communism.
• 51:44
  How did Hitler come to power? Google it right now. You don't even need to do it. Google it. Type in Hitler closing nonessential businesses.
• 51:54
  Very first thing he did is he closed, and he called them that, nonessential businesses. And then he started going after religion, and then he put the news on twenty four seven. He gave factories and public squares free loudspeakers, and he gave every family a free radio. He didn't care that they were kept up to date with the real news. He wanted to brainwash them twenty four seven.
• 52:16
  Look at what our news cycle is doing to people. So the question that you ask is a very good one. But I wanted to just sort of, before answering it, reinforce the notion lest any of your readers or listeners be laboring under the misapprehension that we're not in the middle of a communist overthrow, Oh, hell yeah. We are. And you are absolutely right.
• 52:33
  We're rolling just like a banana republic. And you cannot give up your right to vote because that's the only way out. And once you do, you end up being a Thailand. What happens in Thailand every six and a half years like clockwork? They have a coup d'etat.
• 52:46
  Why? Because they have no right to actually elect their leaders. And then you end up on the street with tanks in the street, and you're fighting tanks with your nails and fingertips and wondering why it's not going so well. And if you wonder why Lee Dendez was a big fan of the convoy is because I was on the street in February of twenty fourteen in Thailand. I walked out of my hotel room to see the streets were on fire and tanks tanks were in the street and the military, the little green headed people in the middle, were in the street.
• 53:19
  But guess what those people that aren't in the green hats around it are? Those are the average citizens, and they're fighting tooth and nail. And let me tell you, we're too far off a couple hundred years ago, I think, for America to stomach that right now, and you don't wanna have to go there. That is an ugly, ugly way to do it. That is the way my Hungarian relatives tried to do it.
• 53:39
  They fought with pitchforks against tanks. It's not fun. It's not fun. K? And we do have our own private army.
• 53:46
  They're called big rigs and earth moving tractors, and that is what the Thai people finally mobilized in their last coup d'etat. Was like, why do you have me in the middle of a coup d'etat? Isn't it bad enough that I'm getting bombed by Islamic jihadis? I'm working in brothels, god. That's why.
• 54:02
  Because I learned a lesson there where I was like, oh, you can take your farm equipment and encircle an airport and change the balance of power as against the military even though you're just private citizens. And for years, I've wanted to do a convoy, and people like, Lee, what are you talking about? Well, it's all about timing. Right? Fast forward to 2022.
• 54:22
  Anyway, how do we do it? We just stand up. We just stand up. When they say your kids aren't going to school unless they're masked, guess what you do? Not one or two of you.
• 54:32
  That's not enough. All of you. All of you send your kids to school without a mask. All of you. And when they try to sell tell your kids to go home, and this is a heavy lift, and I know it's a heavy lift, and I would've had second thoughts, even me asking my own daughter that I took to the killing fields to do it, when the teacher grabs your child by the shoulder to send them to the principal's office because they're not masking up, you tell them to stop and drop.
• 54:56
  And you wear white you tell them to wear white that day because you know what it makes the the teacher do? It makes the teacher have to drag your dead weight of your kid on their knees which start to bleed, and then you get visual images that look like Rosa Parks and Alabama and the Deep South where they've got German shepherds and fire hoses trained on little black children who are just trying to go to school. Is it pretty? No, it's not pretty. It's called standing up and holding your space.
• 55:24
  Holding your space, not giving up ground physically, emotionally, or verbally. You go in force to your school board meetings and you say, we're not doing this again. In November of twenty two, Orange County decided they were gonna do an RSV virus, throw us into a second state of emergency when we weren't yet done with the first one, and I went to that board meeting. They gave us a minute on the mic. Actually, it might have been two.
• 55:49
  And I ended, and I said, we will never do this again. You will not lock us down. You will not mask us. You will not kick our kids out of school. I'm damn right.
• 55:58
  You're not gonna cripple our businesses because this is America. This is the constitution of America, and this is freaking freedom. And that clip was picked up by England, by Zimbabwe, by freaking Japan. It went viral around the world inside of twenty four hours. They enacted a second state of emergency that day, notwithstanding the hell I gave them on the mic.
• 56:19
  But you know what they did at the next meeting? They walked it back, and we didn't even ask them at the next meeting. We just didn't comply. You just don't comply, and you get your people out in force. Not five or even 55, but 5,000.
• 56:33
  When we got rid of our, vaccine passport plan in Orange County, it's because I got 2,500 people to the meeting, not 25 people in the meeting. Do not be afraid to borrow from your neighboring towns. You all go to be on ground zero on the front line, and you lock arms, and you say no more. It is how Martin Luther King Junior did it. He did it peacefully, but they locked arms.
• 56:54
  They sat at the lunch counters. They made themselves be dragged off, and they made damn sure the cameras were rolling, which is even easier to do today because everybody has one of these. You are the new media, and we will win this war. You fight every injustice. I'm gonna close with two quotes.
• 57:09
  Martin Luther King Junior said, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. You fight it everywhere you see it. At your kid's school, at the board meeting, at the state level, everywhere. Don't tell me you don't have time. You have nothing but time because if you don't win the battle we're in, you'll be living in a FEMA camp aka Warsaw Ghetto inside of the next two years.
• 57:29
  The second thing you do is you never forget that a small group of people can change the world as Margaret Mead said, for indeed, we are the only ones who ever did. You've got this in the bag. All you have to do is just stand up. Please buy my book. I talk about everything I talked about today on it.
• 57:45
  I'm trying to get it sold all this week because then I make the best seller list. I don't know how it's done. I'm a new author. It is called Just Stand Up, My Fight for Freedom from the Brothels of Asia to the Streets of America. And you can go to my website which is LeeDundas.com or my nonprofit website which is FreedomFighterNation.org and buy it this week, and I will use all the money from the sale of that to pay it forward and continue to fight for our children's freedom.
• 58:08
  Thanks for having me on today.
• 58:10
  Seth Holehouse: Just incredible, and I've got a few just finishing words. One is go buy the book. That's one thing. This is how we grassroots this types of type of action does it. Also, for folks, look, we're this is an hour long video, hour long podcast, anybody that's made it to this point, share this video.
• 58:31
  This I honestly, I think that what you've ended here with here is the single most important message that needs to be put out to the American public and the people around the world about standing up to tyranny. Because if we don't if we don't, we're gonna we're gonna there's gonna be the Killing Fields Museum, you know, in the Midwest Of America. There's gonna be the the Auschwitz, you know, camps, you know, the the FEMA camps, you know. Fifty years from now, they're gonna look back at, like, this is what happens. This is the trajectory that we're on.
• 59:03
  This is what Yuri Besmanov warned us decades ago about. And if if we don't stand up now, if we don't do something now, then that's where I think that we'll end up, but I don't think that that's where we're supposed to end up. I think that we have the power to not end up there, but we have to take action. And I think one of the biggest things is just getting the information out, and that's what that's the purpose of this show. This is, you know, this is how I'm fighting communism is by making a podcast interviewing brilliant people like yourself and getting these messages out.
• 59:36
  So, again, folks, as soon as this ends, email it to five ten people, one person, and just share this this video. So, Lee, I can't wait. I won't be in Vegas, because we're busy with some moving and stuff, but I can't wait until I have a new studio set up and I get to call you and say, let me fly you into our area, and we're gonna do a three or four hour sit down with a big box of tissues and a few bottles of water. We're just going to go go straight into this. Really look forward to that.
• 1:00:05
  I, I thank you for what you're doing, not only the time that you've given me today, but just what you've done with your life and the purpose that you have with your life. And I hope that more people can do that. I think that if if a lot of people did 1% of what you've done, we wouldn't be in this situation. So thank you for the sacrifices that you've made and the example that you that you are.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I super appreciate it. I know your viewers are an active, amazing bunch. Just tell them as you do, I'm sure every night, keep doing what you're doing because we are winning this war. I have no doubt.
• 1:00:39
  We just need to stand up, and I can't wait to be on again. I'll bring the the wine and the box of tissues while the three hour interview, and go forth. Do good work. Until the next time. Thank you again, my friends.
• 1:00:49
  Seth Holehouse: Thank you. Thank you so much. Got a quick message for you. So, folks, thank goodness inflation is going down. Thank you, Biden.
• 1:00:58
  But wait, if inflation is going down, then why are food prices going up, energy prices going up, and gas prices going up? Well, because they're lying to us. Imagine that. You see right now, the real rate of inflation is closer to 25%, not the 5% the White House wants you to believe. You can see this with your own eyes and your own wallet.
• 1:01:20
  What this means is that if you had a hundred thousand dollars in your savings account just one year ago, today, it's only worth about $75,000 in terms of your actual buying power. Your money is losing value by the day. If you went back to 1920 and you had a $20 bill or a one ounce gold coin, you could walk into a men's clothing store and buy an entire suit, jacket, shoes, pants, belt, everything. But think about it, what would a $20 bill buy you today? Maybe some socks, but an ounce of gold will still buy you that same suit.
• 1:01:58
  And this is why I believe that now more than ever, it's a good time to consider transferring at least a portion of your wealth into physical gold and silver. Real world assets have stood the test of time. And for this, I'm confident in recommending Doctor. Kirk Elliott. So Kirk has two PhDs and is an incredible Christian patriot who's dedicated to helping you break free from the trap of inflation.
• 1:02:21
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