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Most Beautiful Disney Dresses, Ranked (Patreon Preview) · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Hey Virgins, this is Rose. I'm coming here to remind
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  Speaker 1: you that this week we do not have a main
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  Speaker 1: kind of our old content, where we did deep dives
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  Speaker 1: into different cultural objects. But these days we get a
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  Speaker 1: in which we ranked various Disney... looks from across different
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of pussy, pussy cunt, we are coming to you
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  Speaker 1: with another patreon exclusive deep dive and oh my gosh
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  Speaker 1: we girl we've outdone ourselves we've outdone ourselves so we
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  Speaker 1: were like i guess a little inspired by our conversation
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  Speaker 1: from our last deep dive which if you haven't listened
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  Speaker 1: to it was about our favorite non-disney animated children's media
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  Speaker 1: of the 90s and also in a mainstay episode we
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  Speaker 1: did discuss ariel we discussed some outfits that ariel wore
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  Speaker 1: we're discussing dresses we were talking about disney dresses i
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  Speaker 1: was talking about my yes and her dress and we
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  Speaker 1: thought and we thought it would be fun for us
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  Speaker 1: to rank all of the disney princess dresses but then
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  Speaker 1: that felt too limiting.
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  Speaker 2: Because right it was extremely limiting actually.
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  Speaker 1: And also like Our picks are not necessarily like the
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  Speaker 1: conventional picks or at least how we're ranking them. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: So we wound up with a bunch of fun categories
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to guide you through today.
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  Speaker 2: Until we get, of course, to the most beautiful dresses
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  Speaker 2: of the Disney canon ranked.
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  Speaker 1: Ranked.
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  Speaker 2: But ahead of the ranked best dress category, the reason
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  Speaker 2: for the episode, we have these, a few superlative categories that,
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  Speaker 2: that I guess will kind of lube you up and
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  Speaker 2: give you a sense of kind of our editorial eye.
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  Speaker 2: And even though we have already ranked the most beautiful dresses,
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  Speaker 2: we have not yet decided on the superlatives, only the contenders.
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  Speaker 2: And there's some competitive categories ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Of us, Rose. So do you want to start us off?
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  Speaker 1: What is our first category, Fran?
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  Speaker 2: Our first subcategory superlative in the best Disney dresses kind
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  Speaker 2: of canon that is not a dress. And therefore the
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  Speaker 2: reason for the category is superlatives. Best cloak slash outerwear. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, there are, there were so many to
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  Speaker 1: choose from. So many. One thing a Disney princess is
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  Speaker 1: gonna do is throw on a cloak.
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  Speaker 2: A cloak.
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  Speaker 1: And handle it.
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  Speaker 2: Baby, she's gonna put on a cloak. She's gonna hold
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  Speaker 2: a lantern in front of her. She's gonna walk. She's
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  Speaker 2: gonna wander through the forest. She's gonna be scared. But
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  Speaker 2: then she's gonna be triumphant. She's going to have her
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  Speaker 2: agency back. Um. And honestly, this was maybe one of
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  Speaker 2: the most competitive categories in the superlative section.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk through the nominees.
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  Speaker 2: And mind you, if you are a Patreon subscriber... Oh, wait.
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  Speaker 2: If you're listening to this episode, you are a Patreon subscriber.
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  Speaker 2: We will be uploading... um, galleries of these dresses. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and also, or also you can just Google it because
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  Speaker 2: we will try something. Yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Nevermind. Um, I figured out why the mic was making
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  Speaker 1: the weird noise before. It's cause the top wasn't screwed
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  Speaker 1: on tight enough. Oh, I see. Now I think we're fixed. Okay, great.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Uh, audio tech. Um, so, um, the, uh, uh, the,
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  Speaker 2: a dress that came up over and over again which
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  Speaker 2: is separates technically but uh the if you just google
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  Speaker 2: a bell winter dress yes.
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  Speaker 1: And we of course we are specifically talking about cloaks
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  Speaker 1: and or outerwear so in this outfit what we want
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  Speaker 1: to focus on is the sort of mauvey pink cloak
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  Speaker 1: that she's wearing.
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  Speaker 2: With a kind of Mrs. Claus zhuzh on it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the look really is giving Mrs. Claus.
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  Speaker 2: And you see this outfit for maybe a few seconds
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  Speaker 2: in a montage of what song is it? I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: You know the one.
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  Speaker 2: Meaning her cock.
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  Speaker 1: I also do think this crops up in not... So
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  Speaker 1: we did not include Disney direct-to-video sequels. No.
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  Speaker 2: There's a Christmas dress she wears.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's worth mentioning, there is not a sequel,
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  Speaker 1: but a midquel. Midquel, right! There's a movie that takes
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  Speaker 1: place during the canon of the Beauty and the Beast film. Right!
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  Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 1: That is set during the holidays, and I think she
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  Speaker 1: wears this, maybe even a red version of this look
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  Speaker 1: that is literally Mrs. Claus.
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  Speaker 2: It's stunning, but it's not as cute as this pink ensemble,
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  Speaker 2: the bellwinter dress of the Beauty and the Beast original canon.
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  Speaker 2: And even though it's only on screen for a few seconds,
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  Speaker 2: I just, I mean, we were talking to Julio about it,
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  Speaker 2: talking about it, it always comes up. The bellwinter dress,
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  Speaker 2: it's always in the conversation, and I think that has
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  Speaker 2: to be recognized.
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  Speaker 1: You know you're that bitch when you cause all this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Next in this category, we have Vanessa's cloak. The Vanessa...
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  Speaker 2: who is Ursula the Sea Witch.
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  Speaker 1: In disguise.
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  Speaker 2: In disguise.
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  Speaker 1: In drag. In fish drag.
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  Speaker 2: Going stealth. Yes, going stealth. And she is doing her
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  Speaker 2: ha ha ha for the first time and enchanting the
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  Speaker 2: prince in a kind of veil of fog.
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  Speaker 1: And she has this dark purple cloak trailing behind her
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  Speaker 1: in the ocean wind. You know, really this cloak, the
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  Speaker 1: cloak itself is kind of basic. I think what sells
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  Speaker 1: it is the setting, the drama of the wind blowing
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  Speaker 1: through the cloak and then the trail of like magical
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  Speaker 1: siren song trailing behind her.
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  Speaker 2: And just as you say this, something that you'll find
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  Speaker 2: with us as judges and critiques in this space, is
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  Speaker 2: that how the garment is presented to us does factor
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  Speaker 2: into its overall score.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. That will become even clearer the further we
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  Speaker 1: go into this deep dive.
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  Speaker 2: And so we must give it for the presentation of
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  Speaker 2: this garment in addition to the garment itself. And you
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  Speaker 2: know who is always presenting is our next competitor in
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  Speaker 2: this category, Maleficent in her cloak. So here we've got,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like a very classic black witch cloak, but...
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  Speaker 2: It has the added benefit of these sort of purple accents,
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  Speaker 2: and then it also has.
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  Speaker 1: The high collar, which you don't see a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And it's accessorized to perfection. We honestly thought about having
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  Speaker 2: a separate category on accessories, but we thought that that
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  Speaker 2: would just honestly be way too competitive, way too crowded.
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  Speaker 1: There are so many things. We could have included Ursula's
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  Speaker 1: seashell necklace, Ariel's. clamshell bra all of the the baby
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  Speaker 1: the the canes the scepters oh the brooches the skull
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  Speaker 1: caps maleficent skull cap i think would have won that
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  Speaker 1: category it.
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  Speaker 2: Would have this category.
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  Speaker 1: You know what else i'll say is that all of
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  Speaker 1: the sort of the purple accents really nicely offset her
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  Speaker 1: um seafoam green skin and.
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  Speaker 2: She is not the only competitor um in the overall
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  Speaker 2: episode to exhibit this kind of um But there's a
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  Speaker 2: kind of tattered effect on the edges of her garment
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  Speaker 2: that I think are particularly, you know, outerwear, kind of Balenciaga.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, to show that she's really been around.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And, okay, I kind of have to say the next
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  Speaker 1: cloak on our list does look, is kind of almost
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  Speaker 1: the same thing as Maleficent's cloak.
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  Speaker 2: She kind of walked so Maleficent could run.
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  Speaker 1: Well, famously, this movie comes earlier in the Disney canon.
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  Speaker 1: This was the first full-length Disney animated film. Obviously, we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about Snow White, and particularly the cloak worn by
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  Speaker 1: the Evil Queen, a.k.a. Grimhilda.
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  Speaker 2: Honey, invented skullcaps, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Never.
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  Speaker 2: please.
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  Speaker 1: She said... look like I'm going for a swim.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Something that I, um, I can't decide actually
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  Speaker 2: if I like or dislike, but I do remember vividly
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  Speaker 2: as a child, this kind of piece of rope that's
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  Speaker 2: wrapped around her waist. It's literally just a rope with tassels.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like it would have been hung on curtains.
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  Speaker 2: It's not as cunt actually, as I would like it
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 1: What I like about her cloak is that she's got
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  Speaker 1: this white trim, which I'm guessing, I'm guessing that's fur. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're comparing kind of collars, like if you're
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  Speaker 2: comparing evil queen collar to like Maleficent collar, I actually
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  Speaker 2: do think that the evil queen is kind of winning
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  Speaker 2: because of the white.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the white, it is more dramatic against her
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  Speaker 1: skull cap and crown.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, you know, I don't know if we
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  Speaker 2: saved the best for last.
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  Speaker 1: I think we did. I think she's taking it.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's taking it. We have Cruella.
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  Speaker 1: The diva doll herself.
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  Speaker 2: The diva doll herself wearing this yellow fur coat.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows what kind of animal it was made from.
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  Speaker 2: What animal is it? But what is the, can you
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  Speaker 2: describe the dress underneath?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she is wearing this very sexy slinky black,
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  Speaker 1: looks like a silk shift dress. And, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: cunty and it could have It could have easily wound
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  Speaker 1: up in our list, our ranking of best dresses. But
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  Speaker 1: the thing about this outfit is it's not about the dress.
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  Speaker 1: It's about the outerwear. The coat is the look. It is.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is, the look is immaculate. She is
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  Speaker 2: also accessorized perfectly. She has the cuntiest little kind of,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, it's a kind of vetement kind of
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  Speaker 2: like extra pointy.
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  Speaker 1: Kitten heel.
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  Speaker 2: Kitten heel.
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  Speaker 1: Matching gloves.
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  Speaker 2: Matching gloves.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, I did not even see the matching gloves.
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  Speaker 1: The gloves match the lining of the coat.
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  Speaker 2: Which is insane. Her tights are like, as if she
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  Speaker 2: was like, it's like a kind of dead skin blue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very, her lower half is giving Rumpelstiltskin realness.
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  Speaker 2: And then to wear a giant, I see theorizers on
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  Speaker 2: Reddit think this is a mink coat.
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  Speaker 1: That would make sense.
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  Speaker 2: To wear a giant mink coat with a little black slip.
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  Speaker 1: Slutty.
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  Speaker 2: Baby, I want this outfit. I also don't think I
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  Speaker 2: even realized as a kid that the kind of mink
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  Speaker 2: tail embellishment on the side is actually a purse. It's
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  Speaker 2: a mink tail purse.
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  Speaker 1: The matchy matchy of it all. You know who else
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  Speaker 1: she's kind of giving in this coat? Grandmama, it's me, Anastasia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, girl.
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  Speaker 2: So once again, the contenders were Belle Winterdress, Vanessa Cloak, Maleficent, Cape,
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  Speaker 2: Evil Queen, a.k.a. Grimhilda, and Cruella.
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  Speaker 1: There's no question for me.
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  Speaker 2: It's Cruella.
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  Speaker 1: Cruella, she's taking it.
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  Speaker 2: She's taking this category. And that concludes the first category
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  Speaker 2: of the Best Dressed Disney Episode.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so excited to introduce this next category. So
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe we were able to make this collab
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  Speaker 1: brand partnership happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. She actually was going to.
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  Speaker 1: She was going to come on the episode, but you
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  Speaker 1: know what? She's here in spirit. And so we are
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  Speaker 1: so excited to present the Sasha Velour Award for Excellence
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  Speaker 1: in Nightgowns.
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  Speaker 2: And what we found as we were doing our research
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  Speaker 2: was that a lot of the kind of dresses that
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  Speaker 2: we were looking at were in fact actually just nightgowns.
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  Speaker 1: Because the nightgown is a dress that you wear to sleep. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And if there's one thing a Disney diva is going
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  Speaker 2: to wear, it's a cloak. What's the second thing she's
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  Speaker 2: going to wear? A nightgown.
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  Speaker 1: I hope y'all are having as much fun as we are.
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  Speaker 2: We are literally, I was going to say sober, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, high on that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sober.
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  Speaker 2: Can you hand me the mango vape, please?
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  Speaker 1: I've had two edibles and a Corona.
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  Speaker 2: There are three contenders in this category. It's actually a tight,
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  Speaker 2: tight race because they all kind of look exactly the same.
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  Speaker 2: They do.
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  Speaker 1: Especially the first two. So the first one is, Is
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  Speaker 1: Cinderella's nightgown from the Disney classic Cinderella.
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  Speaker 2: And she has a real mop at the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: this movie on her head. Her hair is like, it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of like a woman who's just going to go
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  Speaker 2: get her groceries. There's no style.
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  Speaker 1: She also famously doesn't have ears.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's insane. That makes no sense. Is it because
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  Speaker 2: it's because of beauty standards? Just show that real women
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  Speaker 2: have ears.
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  Speaker 1: Something I like about this nightgown is the sort of
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  Speaker 1: Sandy Liang, Simone Rocha bow at the neck. It's very,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Lolita coquette core little girl vibes. She's got
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  Speaker 1: a sensible slipper on with the shoes as well. Cause
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  Speaker 1: you know, she has to start going about her day,
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  Speaker 1: going about her housework. She's a busy girl. Cinderella, Cinderella,
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  Speaker 1: night and day at Cinderella, etc.
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  Speaker 2: Etc. And there's a kind of cinch at the wrist
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  Speaker 2: with a ruffle, with a kind of ruffle detail.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing that dings this nightgown for me is
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  Speaker 1: no cinch at the waist.
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  Speaker 2: No cinch at the waist whatsoever. She is... saying, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to drown my body in fabric. I'm not feeling
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  Speaker 2: great about my body today.
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  Speaker 1: She's bloated.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: She's bloated.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she's just eating the scraps off the table.
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  Speaker 1: She's eating like the cheese that the mice get for her.
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  Speaker 2: She's got chores to do.
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  Speaker 1: She is not, she's not keeping it tight.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why it's so important that the fairy godmother
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  Speaker 1: comes in later and cinches her into that ball gown.
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  Speaker 2: Cinches her down.
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  Speaker 1: We'll return to that later.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we will.
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  Speaker 1: So next up on the list, speaking of cinching, Fran.
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  Speaker 2: Honey.
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  Speaker 1: Honey. Wendy Darling. What? Darling.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of invented the nightgown, if you think about it.
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  Speaker 2: And unlike the other competitors, and unlike a lot of
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  Speaker 2: Disney female protagonists, she wears this nightgown the entire film.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: She commits to the bit.
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  Speaker 1: Which is why, at first glance, you would think this
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  Speaker 1: is just a dress and could be included in our
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  Speaker 1: main event ranking, but it is in fact a nightgown,
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  Speaker 1: even though... It is cinched. She's got kind of an
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  Speaker 1: empire waist going on. It's very, you know, Victorian era.
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  Speaker 2: I love that the Disney animators were like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: child in a nightgown. What does a child's nightgown look like?
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  Speaker 2: They draw it.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: What does it need?
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  Speaker 1: Boobs. Boobs.
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  Speaker 2: A cinched waist.
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  Speaker 1: A cinched waist. Like, literally. We have to show that
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  Speaker 1: this child's body is tea. Is tea.
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  Speaker 2: Is tea. Exactly. It's so crazy. She's got a little poop.
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  Speaker 1: To be a woman is to perform.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Especially in a Disney movie.
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  Speaker 1: They literally brought her to Neverland and were like, you're
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  Speaker 1: our mom now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And she also has a kind... There are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Sandy Liang bows throughout this episode. The bow
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  Speaker 2: in the back of her hair does kind of, to me,
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  Speaker 2: complete the look. I don't think that without the hairstyle
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  Speaker 2: and bow... that the overall look would be as kind
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  Speaker 2: of satiating, but I.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Do love how it looks. And you know, a bow
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: in the hair is like a really important touch because
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I never think about what the back of my head
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: looks like, and it is nice to have something for
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: people to focus on. Yeah, it is. It's true.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: If anybody's looking at the back of my head, there's
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a bow right there.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, and now coming in with a curveball, we have
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a nightgown that is not blue. It's Ariel's nightgown from
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: when she has turned into a human and is staying
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: at Prince Eric's castle. This is specifically, I think, from
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the scene where she comes down and sees that he
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: is engaged to Vanessa and runs away crying. Yes.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: And that, you know, baby, crying in a nightgown, you
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: do not have a lower moment in your life.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: No. She was fat, nasty and broke. She came on
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: this bitch mad as hell.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: She was at her lowest.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: What I like about this nightgown... is it's in a
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: nice salmon pink, nodding to her oceanic roots.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Right. Once again, cinchless.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Cinchless.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: She said, fuck beauty standards.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: But it does have a sort of lighter pink lace
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: ruff at both the collar and the sleeves, which is
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: a nice touch.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: It is a really nice touch. I'm honestly looking at
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: our three contenders in the Sasha Velour Award for Excellence
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: in Nightgowns. I'm actually having kind of a tough time
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: because I feel like Wendy was the diva.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I think it has to go to Wendy because she
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: has the cinched waist.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she has the cinched waist. She said, I may
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: be a child, but I am also... A female.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Also, my body is T.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Also, my body is T and I'm a female.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And I know we are contributing to harmful beauty standards
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: for women, but those beauty standards exist for a reason.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: They exist for the reason. Is that women look better.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Is that women look better this way. So the award
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: for Sasha Ballour Award for.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Excellence in Nightgowns goes to... Wendy Darling. The diva darling herself.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Okay. This next category also.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: So crowded.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Heavy hitter. More crowded than the Sasha Velour category. Honestly.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: So here, our next category is crone.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Realness.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: And okay, we are talking about, the way we're talking
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: about crones is both complimentary and derogatory because we're talking
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: about it in terms of crone, like the triple goddess
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: archetype maiden mother crone, crone as, you know, the, the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: final kind of step in womanhood, this, this, you know,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: figure who is full of wisdom and nurturing and But also,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of a spooky witch vibe.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: There's obviously... If you are a competitor in the crone category,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: you maintain at least some kind of whimsy or mysticism. Okay?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And also... Ya old.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Ya old, okay? This is our kind of like... This
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: is where we're making sure that our... Women have a
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: certain age. Yes, we're bringing inclusivity and age diversity into
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: this episode. This is where a lot of our kind
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: of mature competitors are.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, starting with Mother Gothel.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Mother Gothel.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: From Tangled.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: A movie I've seen once and remember zero details.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Other than.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Mother Gothel is... played by Donna Murphy. Yes.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And will be played in the live action by Catherine Han.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Good casting.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And yeah, truly fan cast, honestly.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And so I will say she does fall to kind
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: of the bottom of this list for me because she
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: is only a crone when she's not sucking the magical
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: juice out of Rapunzel's magic hair. Right. And most of
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the time she's just kind of a slutty woman of
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: a certain age. Yes. She's more of a sort of, um,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: she could be a real housewife.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. Well, there are a lot of milfs
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: in this category, but I would say in this category,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: she is the milf.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: She is. Yeah. She's the youngest in this category, but
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: she does still technically, she is still serving crone realness.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: What color is this? It's like a, it's kind of
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: a burgundy. It's a burgundy.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It's like an oxblood.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: It's got a kind of like, um, silk, silk pattern, um,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: effect on it. I love the belted waist.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: But I would say that's another knock against the crone realness. Yes.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Is how T her body is. Yeah, I agree.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: It's actually like kind of not, it's almost like she
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: came to the category and the judges were like, you're
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: too cunt. Yes. And though we love what you brought
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: to this category, it's actually not capturing the essence of crone.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Yes. But on the other side of the spectrum, we
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: have the evil queen, Hag version.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Hag version. Invented the hag.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: From Snow White. Has been, you know, recreated so many
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: times in popular culture. One of the... Most recently on
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that episode of Agatha All Along. Right. Where Sashir was the...
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Sashir Zamata.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: She was the crone.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. This is like, if you look up... Like,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: hag or evil witch.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: She's there.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: She's there. The diva. It's her Wicked Witch of the West,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Those are the two. The two.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: The two. Those are the two. And let me tell you,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: sometimes when you think you're a hag, like Mother Gothel
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: in this category, you're like, I'm giving hag, I'm giving hag.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: No. And then a real hag shows up to show
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you how to turn the party.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: A real hag walks in. She says, do you have
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: a wart the size... Of Connecticut on your nose.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Do you have tits that sag so much they drag
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: behind you?
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: You wrap them like a belt around your waist.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: You know who she's giving? She's giving Monstro Eliza Sue.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: She's giving Monstro Eliza Sue, except more cunt.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The substance would... If the evil queen was in
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Monstro Eliza Sue's shoes, she would have... You know what
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: she would have done? She would have put her hair
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: up in a ponytail and handled it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: She would not have been a puddle at the end
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: of that movie, okay? Next in this category, a contender
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you have submitted and platformed.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I fought for. So this is Jafar from Aladdin, specifically
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: in Old Man Drag when he's dressed up as a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: beggar to fool Aladdin.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Known on the Disney wiki as the beggar Jafar. Yes.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: And so I really wanted to include this because I
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: wanted crone to be a gender diverse category.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Of course, and now it is. We have a few.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And people of any gender can be crones.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I would say when it comes to canes and scepters,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: which are abundant in this episode, we have a cane
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: here that is kind of a whittled stick with a
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: wooden emblem on top.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Very twisty.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Extremely, extremely scrawny. I would say 70% of his body
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: is a hunchback. which you have to kind of recognize
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: as committing to the crone realness category.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: A hunchback which is covered by rags that almost could
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: be either a dress or a cloak.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Right. Again, bringing in this tattered effect that we see
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: again and again in the Disney canon.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: And something I like that we don't see a lot
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: on this list, sandals.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Sandals. There are some sandal wearers in this episode, but
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: sandals on a crone? Who'da thunk?
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to see those gnarly toes.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: We want to see, like, invention, and we want to see,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you know, something different. And that's what the Sandals are doing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: And you know what else is something different? Now we're
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: leaning towards the more positive side of the chrome spectrum.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: The chrome is a spectrum, for sure.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Do you want to introduce our next contestant?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: We have the fairy godmother from Disney's Cinderella.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Who also could have been a contender in best cloak
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: slash outerwear. Yes.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And yet we decided to put her in the crone
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: category mostly because we wanted to.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And it's our list.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: And it's our list. Not yours. She has once again,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: a Sandy Liang bow that does.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It's huge. It's actually, I would say this bow is
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: more of a Moschino bow. It is. It is. Sandy
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Liang bow.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: It is exactly more of a Moschino bow. Um, She
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: has the little pointy hat on the top of her...
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: She has the pointy tip on the top of her
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: hood the same way the Snow White crone has, but
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: it's blue, which I love. It's subverting that crone archetype.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me, no JK Rowling, of the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Beauxbatons girls in the fourth Harry Potter movie.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: They have those little blue hats. Yes.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: It's kind of... Yes. I know exactly what you're talking about. Again,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: we don't have an accessories category, but her wand is
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: so cunt.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: It's so long.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Like, I can't, I'm like trying to think of another
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: movie where the wand is truly the thinnest, most fragile,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: most kind of like subtle, like, Maybe.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Like Glinda's training wand in the first Wicked film.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's giving, it's just so minimal. And I think
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that the minimalism of that wand is something that I
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: remember as a child being like, whoa, here's an understated diva.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Here's a woman that knows how to do magic, but
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: she's not trying to brag about it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Wealth whispers.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, this is quiet luxury.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Okay. Luxury that's not so quiet is our next contestant,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the evil stepmother, a.k.a. Lady Tremaine from Cinderella.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I did not know her name was Lady Tremaine. That
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: was like a totally new thing for me, but honey.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Talk about milfs, okay?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she is, I would say, more towards the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Mother Gothel end of the crone spectrum, but she is
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: definitely older than Mother Gothel.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, and when we think about accessories... Look at her
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: fucking brooch. She has a brooch and I think a
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: matching ring.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: That brooch is the size of her huge chin.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yes. And like her, the color of the garment, this
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: is like, we're looking at an image that actually I
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: think kind of deepens the red of the garment. It's
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: actually not this red.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: It's more of a primary red in the film.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But, but she has to have to, to be like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I am a woman of certain age, so I'm going
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to have a long sleeve dress.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: And a cane.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: And a cane. But I want poof sleeves on the
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: long sleeve so.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: That it can be both. And a huge brooch that
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: matches my fuck ass ring.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: We have a collar moment that I think cannot go unnoticed.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I think that the shape of her hair, which is crazy. Crazy.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: It kind of looks like boobs.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: It looks like a butt. It looks like a butt
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: on her head. And I think that I remember as
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: a kid being like, whoa.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And you know Cinderella was doing that hair every morning.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Every morning.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: That is so, I mean, that's not a wig.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: No.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: That's not a wig. She did that every day.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: That is a dry set. She is backcombing that. She
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: is backcombing it in the back rooms.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, baby. Obviously.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: She is backcombing it before back shots in the back rooms.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I remember her eye makeup did a lot of work
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: in the overall ensemble. She really came to slay.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And look at the way her brow is arched. She
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: knows something you don't. And that is because she's a
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: crone who is full of wisdom. She chooses to use
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that wisdom for evil.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Baby, she plucks those brows every day.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Someone who also has a strong brow, Hades from Hercules,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: who also could have been technically in... either the outerwear
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: category or our main gown category because a toga what
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: is a toga if not a gown.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: It's not a it's basically a gown but.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: We thought he fit and he also could have gone
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: into another category we'll get to later yes but this
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: felt like the right place to put him because he
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: is the god of the underworld.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And honestly it might even be like he they oh
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: you know what i mean like he's kind of he they.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Is He's maybe giving, like, older doll.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, with the, exactly, elder doll. Like, the kind
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: of blue flame hair is very, like, radical fairy sanctuary.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: It's very honcho.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: You know where you would see her? At the Dyke March. Yes.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I would see her at the Dyke March. I would
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: see her.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: At the Drag March, even. Yes.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: And I, and also, like, okay, the thing about a cloak.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And the thing about hag swag is that it's not
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: exactly a body category. We've talked about the milfs in
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: this category.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: It's more about shape and volume.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But Hades wears this truly shapeless cloak.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: That literally dissolves into smoke. Yes.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And yet his forearms are swole as fuck. And so
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: even though he's wearing this shapeless garment that's like, don't
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: look at my body, don't look at my body. you
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: know that underneath this cloak, his body is tea.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Like he's one of these, I would say, Cherry Grove
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: gays that you meet at the Ice Palace. He invites
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you to come over to his pool the next day,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: whips off his shapeless caftan, and underneath he is jacked.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Jacked, tan. Like too tan.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Too tan. Like a Louis Vuitton bag. Yes, yes.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: And my God, he looks great. Hades... Kind of a
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: fashion icon.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: You know who's actually kind of giving? The old gay
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: guy we keep seeing who's like talking to his dogs.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: My little whore. Yeah, there's this old gay guy in
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the pantry that will refer to his dogs as you
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: little whore. And that's what Hades is giving.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And okay, final contestant in this category is Merlin from
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: The Sword and the Stone. So the thing about Merlin
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: is He's like a twink who is also a crone.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, he is. He has this kind of petite vibe.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And a youthful pizzazz.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, and I think that there's a conventionality to this
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: garment that is so classically wizard.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's a blue robe and a wizard's hat.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly, but let's talk about the shoes.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the shoe to me... It's kind of reminding
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: me of, I think last season, Loewe did these clear
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: shoes that came with colored sock inserts. Yes. And that
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: is what these shoes are giving to me.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. It's more than just a slipper. It has a
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: shape that I think is really cunty. also has a
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: wand accessory slash cane. Is it a cane or a wand?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: That's a cane, I think.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: But, you know, you and I, we watched The Sword
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: in the Stone recently. The movie was fine.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Fine. It was low-key boring.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: But Merlin is amazing.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Is amazing. Okay, we have to choose a winner.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Babes, who do we pick in crone realness?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I think we have to go with the crone, the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: evil hag.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: The evil hag queen.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Parentheses. Hag. Thank you. Wow. This next category.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Also a crowded category.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: A crowded category. Fran, do you want to introduce? Yes.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: This next category of the mind of a one-rose dom
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: you is entitled T-boy swag.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Best T-boy swag. And so we want to be clear.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: These are not necessarily characters who we think are T-Boys.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Well, not necessarily. They literally are not trans men. Well,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: one of them maybe.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: But they have T-Boy swag.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: They have T-Boy swag.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Even if their garments are traditionally feminine, there is an
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: energy about them where you're thinking they've got some kind
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: of gender situation happening.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: You have a micro-dose personality a prescription from Callum Lord
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: that you have not yet taken, but it's in your drawer. And, and,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and if.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: You are like having your summer of she, they, before
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: your fall of he, him.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And, and so this is a kind of
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: pre-grinder T-boy. If you're unfamiliar with the term T-Boy swag,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there is a them.us article explaining it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: You either wrote or edited it. Yes.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: But, you know, let's start with, I think, maybe, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: don't know, real contender for first place here. Jesse from
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Toy Story.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Now, Jesse, so the great thing about this is, like,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I think a really important part of T-Boy swag is
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: looking like a little boy whose mom dressed him up. Right.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And Jessie is literally a toy. Dressed up by a child.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Dressed up by a child who is in a child's
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: idea of a Western outfit. This is definitely the kind
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: of outfit you would see a trans guy wearing at
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: a queer line dancing night. Yes, it is.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: It has a white button-down shirt with a yellow collar
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: that matches a bow at the end of Shebae's ponytail. Wearing.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: assless chaps assless chaps really crazy decision for the pixar
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: anime these assless chaps with cow hide the cow detail
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: cow hide chaps are really sickening yes what pushed this
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: over into a true fashion moment also kind of giving
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: moschino also kind of giving moschino but also you know
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: what i could see like a more high fashion version
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: of this coming from like a paloma spain.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, it also reminds me of that Diana Ross cow ensemble.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen this?
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: No.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to show you right now. There's a photo
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: where she's wearing... Diana Ross is wearing these kind of
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: cow hide chaps kind of jumpsuit and a giant cowboy
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: hat that is reminiscent of this.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: The lower half of Jessie's outfit is giving... is giving....
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: T-boy swag.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: The whole outfit's giving T-boy swag, yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I really, yeah. Jesse, quintessential T-boy swag. An amazing contender.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: You know who else is quintessential T-boy swag? Yes.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Mulan. Arguably the only T-boy in this category.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the only actual T-boy.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, because we know that the plot of Mulan is
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: about a trans man's gender journey. Yes.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: So we're specifically talking about Mulan in full soldier geish
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: in armor.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Which is a kind of skirt situation.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why we're not saying full on T-boy,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: but T-boy swag.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: And there's this kind of shawl tied around the shoulder
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that's reminiscent of a kind of... Hamptons sweater thrown over
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: the shoulder kind of vacation vibe that's very chic.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Or like a P-Town Pines sailor kerchief.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Talk about drowning your body in fabric.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I really love what's here. There's like an oversized kind
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: of look that I think is quintessentially classically T-Boy swag.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: And what I have to say is that the padding
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: of the armor is giving Mulan trans hips.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's giving FTM hips. It's something that we must
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: just kind of acknowledge as truth. I love this look,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: especially if you look at the little tassel on the
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: top of Shiva's helmet.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Shiva is accessorized down.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yes. And the boot, honestly. The boot is great.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, next up in T-Boy swag, this is going to
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: be kind of a curveball. Curveball. We've got the Sultan
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: from Aladdin.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: The Sultan, well, we don't even need to explain why
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: this is T-Boy swag. No. There's no explanation needed.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's giving, like, Little Lord Fauntleroy, but through
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: a sort of Orientalist lens.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's through a problematic Orientalist lens with a kind
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: of curly slipper, as we see in depictions of Arab garments.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: And you know those slippers are like, I'm being generous,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: are like a men's size six.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: They might actually be a children's size.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Not to clock his tea, but. That is where we're
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: coming from.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a nice piece of outerwear, although it's
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: more of a vest than a coat.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I would say that the standout moment from this ensemble, though,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: is the feather coming out of a brooch in the
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: center of his hat, of his turban.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is definitely T-Boy, older T-Man, who identifies as gay.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Right, T-Man.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: T-Man. What's that, the problematic... It's giving Buck Angel on a....
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: At a wedding.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: At a wedding. At a very problematic wedding.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to Kate Jenner's wedding.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, next up we've got Merida from Brave, a film
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I've never seen.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: A film that I don't remember seeing.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, the thing about this look is actually it is
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: very feminine. It almost looks like the dress that Drew
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Barrymore wears in Ever After when she's a servant. Yes.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: But it is elevated to T-boy swag because of Merida's
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: T-boy swag. Yes.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: And once again, we cannot exclude how the garments are
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: presented to us. And the presentation of this garment is
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: so transmasculine. Merida's story is so transcoded. She wants to
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: be a warrior. She, they wants to be a warrior
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and she can't.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: And it's accessorized very masculinely. Not that women can't be archers.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: But that's a boot. That's a boot.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And a bow and arrow.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And a sheath of arrows.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: And she has not combed her hair in years.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: What I will say. is, digging this from T-Boy Swag,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: is like, the arrows, instead of being worn practically over
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the shoulder, are worn at the hip, giving her... You know,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: more of this defined hourglass shape, which I don't love.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: No, it's not T-boy swag in that sense.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really emphasizing the childbearing hips.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: But there's a kind of... Is it a cutout on
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the shoulder? What's going on? No, it's a trim. It's
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: a trim. Okay, I see. Yeah, Merida. Movie I did
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: not see. A movie I did see, though.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Atlantis.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: The Lost City of... What is it called?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: It's just Atlantis. No, it has a subtitle. Atlantis, The
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Lost Empire.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: The Lost Empire. Keita... um the uh she's like uh
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: she's just i don't know the the fair the quintessential
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: feral woman um she wears a few different garments in
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: this movie but i would say that if we're just
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: going to like kind of factor in her classic garment
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: which is the bralette and the skirt with a kind
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: of White mullet. Is that a mullet? I would call
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: that a kind of mullet shape.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very 80s kind of hairstyle. She's giving
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: like Pat Benatar. It's very Labyrinth starring. Gem of the Holograms. Oh,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: it is very Bowie. It's Labyrinth starring David Bowie. Bowie
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: and Labyrinth.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, once again, a highly feminine presentation. But I would
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: also say classically T-Boy Swag because Kida is a trans man.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't have to explain any further. I
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: also think this next entrant is also kind of on
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: her face, a weird addition to this category.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: No, not weird at all if you look at this image.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I do think like.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: It's because of this specific image that you pulled that
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: she wound up in this category. I will use this.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I will make sure that the virgins have this image
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: in the post.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Because honestly, what the Queen of Hearts from Alice in
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Wonderland is giving to me more than anything, now that
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it closely, is Bricky Doll.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: She's giving Bricky Doll, but she loves her muscles. Yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: She loves her forearms, and she's not afraid to be masculine.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: She says, I am not a feminine diva, but I
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: have to wear this dress because... It is my state-sanctioned...
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I am, as a member of the monarchy, required to
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: wear this garment.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: And her top half, it doesn't even look like she
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: has boobs. It looks like she has pecs.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: She actually looks like she's wearing a binder.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: She is. That's why she has T-boy flags.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: She's wearing a binder, and she's flexing down. Also, once again,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: sorry this is trans man-coded, but she also has not
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: combed her hair at all. And that is a trans
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: man thing to do. Yeah, a diva. I don't really
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: like the dress. I'm not going to lie. I don't
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: like it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It's ugly.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: No. Okay, finally, I would say this is probably the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: most horrendous entrant into the category. Not horrendous in that
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: we put it in the category, but horrendous in that
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the garment is extremely ugly. And I think I might
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: be problematic in saying that because I know it's based
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: on indigenous iterations of where this world is. But Moana....
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: From the film titular Moana.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Moana, from the titular film Moana, is also giving T-Boy swag.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: She has... She has a binder on. She also has
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: a binder on.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: She has bound her breasts with cloth.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, she has. Yes, she's bound her breasts with strips
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: of fabric that she bought in a kind of $ 3
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: barrel at L-Train Vintage.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: She's wearing a gender neutral kind of kilt.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's all kind of giving dead stock. It's giving
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: like dead.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: No, she's Kalina Estrada down.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: She's giving Kalina Estrada. There's a few actually kind of
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Kalina Estrada garments in this episode, inspired garments in this episode.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: This is extremely, extremely Kalina Estrada in that it is ugly.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: It's ugly, but like it's.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: A lot of. prints that really shouldn't go together and
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: don't go together, but the whimsy sells it.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: The whimsy sells it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: This look could walk down the runway at Kalina Estrada's
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: next fashion show, and I would not blink.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: It would be very easily the header image in the
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Vogue.com roundup. For sure. It would be a star garment.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: For sure. Okay, so who are we giving the... this
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: category too.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I want to really reward garment, not presentation. There are
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of narratives that I'm deeply attached to.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I'm actually leaning towards the Sultan. Really? Or Jesse. Who
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: are you feeling?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Well, honestly, the more we talked about Moana, the more
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I liked it. I do actually think it has to
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: go to the Sultan. I think that this, the feather
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: in the brooch kind of jewel.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Such a nice touch of whimsy.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: It's really unlike anything we're looking at in this category.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: It is, I think, as it's presented to us, so
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: effortless as well. I think it's got to go to
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: the Sultan.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: And it also looks like a, it looks extremely comfortable.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, very comfortable. And that is one of the brand best,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: pillars of T-boy swag is comfort.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Next category. This is, um, really, uh, this is like the,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the garment we thought would piss Michelle Visage off the most. Um,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: if it was an unconventional materials challenge. Yes.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: This category, unconventional materials challenge. It is, um, the penultimate
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: superlative category of, In our episode, there are quite a
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: few kind of tattered fabrics in this category. And I
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: guess when we were thinking about how we would throw
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: them into the superlative, how do we decide how girls
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: got into this superlative? I think a lot of it
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: came down to.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Craftiness?
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Did you look like... Does it look like you made
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: this in seven minutes after Rue announced the quick drag
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: kind of challenge? I mean, it is an unconventional... It
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: looks like it's thrown together. It looks like things were
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: kind of scavenged into a shopping cart frantically.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, so our first contender is Sally from The Nightmare
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Before Christmas. And what I love about Sally... Not only
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: is her dress an unconventional materials challenge, her body-ody-ody is
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: an unconventional materials challenge.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: And it's not even.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: She is literally sewn together. She sews herself together.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, she is one with the garment in some ways.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I think that this is a highly editorial look. Like,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: this is very, like, it's giving Hari Neff. It's giving, like,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Emma Chamberlain.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: This could be, like.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Like kind of mute, mute, mute Prada.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I was actually going to say Eckhouse.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I could see this because, because of.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: The knit, because of the kind of patterned knit clashing.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Although Eckhouse doesn't really do like clashing patterns, but like,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: but it actually, what it is is like, She went
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: down to Dime Square and went to all the dumpsters
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and got fabric from Eckhaus, Vaquera, Kalina, kind of all
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: of those little boutiques and whipped herself up.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: And because she is kind of pairing it with this
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: laid-back red hair, the red lip, and these cunty little boots....
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: With a, if you look very closely, she's got a
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: black and white striped sock on.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I did not see that. I love that. It looks amazing. Sally,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: she came to slay.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: And she made it herself.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: You know who else came to slay?
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Ariel in her shipwreck dress. Yes.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Ariel, parentheses, shipwreck dress. This is when Ariel gets her feet.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: She washes up on shore. She's a human. She has feet.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: She realizes... that she is completely nude. I don't know
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: why a mermaid who has spent her entire life underwater
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: would have cognizance of her nudity and a reason to
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: find shame around that, but she does, in fact... But
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you know what?
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: It's the first thing she learns as a human woman,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: and that is not outside the realm of possibility.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, we love the message behind this garment.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And she also learned... She took note from Wendy, which
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: is that to be a woman is to create shape
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: and to be cinched. And so she's cinched in what
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: looks like three different places. Her body is, the actual
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: garment itself is also giving Monster a Lizasoo. It is.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: And that's because she is cinched in all the places
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: she should not.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: So you know what this look is actually very like
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Comme des Garcons. Yes. It's a little like.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's very asymmetrical.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: It's antibody. You could walk into Dover Street Market and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: find this right now.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Right now. It is truly just a sail from a
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: ship tied together with a rope that is classically unconventional
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: materials challenge contender vibe. And I think it's also a
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: commentary on body diversity and the industry, the way we
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: see fashion, how it should be. And Ariel comes and
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: she says, I know how we should dress women's bodies.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: And this is how I'm going to do it, which
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: is how everyone says you should not.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: And you know what I love? Both this and Sally? Upcycling.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Upcycling. Sustainability, we gotta give it points for that.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Yes. Okay, next entrance into the category.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: The next entrance, let me tell you, I love this
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: dress as a child. I remember seeing this dress in
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: the movie Sleeping Beauty and being like, I want this dress,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: which is the splatter dress as the fairy godmothers.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: The fairies? What are they called? The fairy godmothers. They
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: can't decide if the dress should be blue or pink.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, a classically transgender problem.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: The dress is giving trans lag.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: And they're assembling the dress with magic, which they're not
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: supposed to do. And they get in a fight and
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: then the dress is kind of like a Alexander McQueen
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: style splattered.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's very McQueen.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: And then therefore is both. It's extremely ugly.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: It's extremely ugly. The thing is, this is a situation
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: where this was just like a beautiful normal dress and
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: someone splattered some pink paint on it. So... That's why
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: for me, it's like at the lower end of the
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: unconventional materials because the only unconventional material is, I guess, magic.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's magic. But I love that there was like
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: an entire plot point devoted to this dress. The dress
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: was the focus and narratively, I love that.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: And because of that, it looms large in our collective imagination.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: In the culture. Last in this category, we have cinderella
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: mother ball gown ripped.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Up yes specifically after her stepsisters have torn it to
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: shreds uh when they see that she has worn her
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: mother's gown and wants to go to the ball.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Yes and so and so if you don't remember in
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: in this story cinderella says she says hey guys um
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: my mom she's dead.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: And All the best Disney princesses have dead moms. Yes.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: And I have nothing in this life. I am literally
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: an indentured servant. I have no sexual prospects. I have
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: no job, no children. I have nothing in this life.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: She came on this bitch mad as hell.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: But the one thing I do have is an ugly,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: ugly ball gown that my dead mom left me after
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: she passed away.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: It really looks like, if we're thinking about true period accuracy...
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I love that it looks like it's of an earlier
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: period than the one that we're currently in. Like that
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: is some really fine attention to detail in terms of
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: animated costuming.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: And if I remember correctly, woodland creatures embellish it? Yeah,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: they help her dress it up. Yeah, because she's like, well,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: my dead mom, she did not have great style. It
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: was a really ugly dress. So let me make it
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: uglier with some Moschino bows. Let me get.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: These mice and birds to add some ugly trimmings that
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: I found in the fashion district.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I love the complexity of that narrative. An indentured servant
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: indenturing servants who are her woodland creatures. Hurt people hurt people, etc.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: The Wicked Stepsisters, all they were trying to do was
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: stay true to Coco Chanel's advice.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Before you leave the house, take one thing off. Yes, yes.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: And they ripped it off instead of, you know, taking
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: it off gently. And here we are.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: And here we are. And I think the ripped up
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: version looks better. Oh, absolutely. Like it looks better. And
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: it's torn at the shoulder. It was kind of like,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: it's a little slutty.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: In fact, fashion brand company sold... The tattered dress. What? Yeah,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: they sold it. They also sold the Ariel shipwreck dress.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, can they legally do that? No. Oh, wow.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: But they do it anyway.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, fashion brand company. Okay, the category, unconventional materials challenge, baby.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: This is a really... I have... I mean, I really
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: love the shipwreck dress.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I love the shipwreck dress. I just think that Sally,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: because her body... is also made of unconventional materials. That
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: gives her an extra point. But if we want to
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: stay true to the ethos of the category, I think
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: it would be Ariel's shipwreck dress.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Well, the other thing, if I were to push Ariel's
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: shipwreck dress over the line as winner, to me, the
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: commentary on kind of anti-contouring... I think that's a really
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: rich editorial perspective.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: It's a very body-neutral garment.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And Ariel has never looked more confident. Yeah, she's feeling herself.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: She's feeling herself in a way that she does not
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: in any other garment. And let me tell you, she
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: wears a lot of garments in that movie. You would
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: think that the Mermaid movie would actually not have that
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: many dresses.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: She wears a lot of dresses. The thing about Disney princesses,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and this is actually something that a YouTuber I really love,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Babidi Kate, talked about in a video she made in
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: which she pits all of the Disney princesses against each
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: other in The Hunger Games, Survivor, and a sort of
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: just like Excel spreadsheet of princess categories. She noted that
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: as we have gotten further and further away from the
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: classic Disney princesses, Disney princesses rarely have enough costume changes
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: in their movies. Right. And Ariel is really giving classic
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: princess in that she wears a lot of different outfits.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, she does. And so I do think she's the
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: winner of this challenge. She is the winner of the
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: unconventional materials challenge.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: And now we've reached our final superlative category. Yes.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Before we evaluate the best Disney dresses ranked, what you
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: must know is that Obviously, this is not a comprehensive
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: list of dresses. We sorted through a lot of dresses,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of garments in order to get through our
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: best dress ranking. And what we found is we were
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: really responding to a lot of the dresses that were
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: really not dresses but separates.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: So this category is best separates. But it's also for whores.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: It's also for whores because to wear separates is to
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: be a whore.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Because, yeah, I would say a lot of these women,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: they're wearing separates so that they can show more skin.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Yes. And I do think that really, really showcasing that
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: is Jasmine, parentheses, Red Princess.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: So this is the look that she's in after Jafar has.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Turned her into a sex worker. Transformed her into a
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: sex worker.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: It's the outfit she's wearing when she's in the giant
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: hourglass full of sand. She's got a high pony. She's
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: in a red version of her classic teal outfit. She's
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: never been hotter. Yes, she's 16, and it's inappropriate.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: She's 16?
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I guess all of these princesses are 16.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: And also, like... I think that this is another outfit that,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: if you ask anybody, what's the best Disney princess look,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: people will really talk about Jasmine Red Princess.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Another one that came up from, I think, everyone around
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: the pool earlier when we were discussing this. Yes.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: And I think it reminds me of Princess Leia. When
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: she is indentured to Jabba the Hutt.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Jabba the Hutt, yes. Her slave girl outfit. Yes.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: And I love that it is red, which is the
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: color of a whore.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: We got the classic kind of balloon pants. We got
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: the bralette. We have the armband. And these kind of
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: triangle earrings. I love it. I love how it looks.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's really fucking hot in this look and really whorish.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Speaking of whore. Speaking of whore, we have Esmeralda from
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Who is textually a sex worker. Well, actually, I mean,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: she's a sex worker. She's unambiguously.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Well, she's textually a whore because the weird closeted priest
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: guy who really wants to fuck her.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Sings a whole song about it.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Sings a whole song about how she's a whore.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: And there are a lot of separates in this separate ensemble.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: We have a kind of décolletage. linen blouse that is
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: tucked into a corset. And I believe the corset is
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: separate from the skirt.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely a separate piece. She's wearing both a
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: skirt and an underskirt slash petticoat. And then on top
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: of that, she has like a shawl tied around her
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: waist that has these gold medallions hanging off of it.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: it like girl. Oh, and look at the anklet. Yes.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Anklet. Slutty, slutty, slutty anklet. Accessorized down. Yeah. I, I really,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: and we have these kind of like, um, little coin,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: these like, um, uh, hanging coin details on the, the
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: skirtlet scarf wrapped around the skirt. And I, the, the, um, pet,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: the white petticoat that you talked to, that you referred
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: to earlier is, This is a motif that we see
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: in a lot of Disney princesses. And when the Disney animators,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: when they put a light white ruffled undergarment under a skirt,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: they want you to know that she's fucking. They say
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: she may seem demure. She may seem like she's an innocent,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: almost princess, but she gets laid. She gets laid.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: And she's fucking both the hot guy and the hunchback.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I also am noticing that her hair is very uncombed
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: as well, which I love. It's a great look.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: And she's barefoot.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Barefoot.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: She is feeding the foot king.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, she's ready.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, next up we have Mad Madam Mim, parentheses, hot. Yes.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: From The Sword in the Stone.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: When Mad Madam Mim enters the- More like Mad Madam Bimbo. Yes,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: and she is in a wizard off with Merlin. They
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: are fighting each other. Oh, no, no, no, sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: This is- She does this during her song.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, when she's trying to lure Arthur into her clutches.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: She sings a song, and for a portion of the song,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: she transforms into a little slut.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: A hot. Well, actually a very tall slut. Yes.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: And these are beautiful separates. She is essentially in head-to-toe
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: American apparel.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I would say she has, oh, very American apparel.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: The circle skirt.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: The circle skirt. The spandex unitard. The skinny tank top.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Her boob kind of looks like mine. It's pointy. It's
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: a little pointy. It's a very trans femme boob. Yes,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: it is. Those are dirty pillows that haven't kind of
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: settled yet.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: But they're beautiful. It's a beautiful shape. And she has
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: represented a few different contenders across the episode. Also, extremely,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: extremely cunty heels. Little white, like barely heels that are
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: basically little knives.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I also love that her tights match her hair.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's crazy. That is the attention to detail we
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: look for in this category.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I really love the whole color story going on here.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, color I think is the standout in that. I
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: love this next outfit. This is, well, it's, I think
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: it's in the Disney wiki, it's referred to Ariel's outfit
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: out on the town. It's her town outfit. It's also
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: the outfit she's wearing during Kiss the Girl. I would
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: say the best part of the ensemble is actually not
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: the dress. It's the bow.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: The bow, much like Wendy Darling.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I would say the bow is even pointier.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: And even bigger.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Really big, really pointy, kind of little devil, it's devil
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: horn like. It's editorial, it's severe. But I love the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: color story here as well. The blue, the red hair,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: the petticoat, the corset.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: You know what the color story, it's almost, it's like
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: a little Mondrian in a way. Like all of these
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: different primary colors like stacked on top of each other.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Color blocking down. I would wear this. I would wear this.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I love the full skirt. I love the little ballerina flat.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe we could like. Maybe we can make that like
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: a Margiela, like tabby ballerina kitten heel.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Yes. And aside from the shoes, it's a practical garment.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: She's going out on the town.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's practical if you're in a time period
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: in which women must wear dresses at all times.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And she is subject to that.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Yes. And then last up in this category, we have
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Briar Rose slash Aurora, parentheses, peasant.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yes. Before Briar Rose discovers that she is in fact
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: the Princess Aurora... she is in a kind of peasant
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: separate ensemble.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: And on first glance, you would think this is a dress,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: but as a student of, you know, YouTube videos about
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: historical clothing and someone who watches a lot of Instagram
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: reels about people who do like historical clothing recreations, I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: know that what we're actually seeing here is like, she's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: definitely got a chemise on underneath. She's wearing like a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: tunic over top of it. She's got a corset slash,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: I think probably because of where this would be, it
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: would be more of like a dirndl. Then she's got
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: a brown skirt and a shawl. Yes. And I love,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: she's also got like a nice brown stocking underneath.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: I believe like sometime last year, Mucha Prada released a
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: collection that was, she said, let me in the year
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: of 2025 be inspired. by the working class and peasants.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: I'm really inspired by workers and people that get their
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: clothing dirty, and then I'm going to reinterpret that clothing
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: for Prada and sell it for thousands and thousands of dollars.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: And that is what this garment gives. It's very... Prada
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: She also has the most beautiful hair. I love the headband. Yes.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Something not a lot of Disney princesses wear.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: It's well, okay. I feel like there are headbands abundant in, in,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: in the Disney canon, but her headband is simply black.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: She bought this at CVS.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: And it's also like not actually holding back her hair. No.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Like she has that huge bang push forward.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: It has no function.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: She just has so much hair. It's really just, but
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: I like it because you know what? She's, She's wearing
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of neutral tones, and I like that that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: black is cutting up that sameness in her hair.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: It's really also something that I would wear. It might honestly... I.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Don't know.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: It's kind of giving... This is such a tough category, Rose.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: I actually like every single entrant into this category.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I do, too. But we... I mean, we could make
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: it a tie, but... Oh, no.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: We hate ties.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: We hate ties. I think it's gotta be... the jasmine you.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Think it's jasmine red princess yeah yeah.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Because the thing is aurora like even though we know
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: it separates it looks like a dress.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah and and the thing about this category is you
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: do also have to be a whore yes and that's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: not a whorish look no and jasmine like that is
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: a whore yes through and through i would even do
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: like a I know we hate ties, but Jasmine and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Esmeralda are really both giving. Yes, they really are. And
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I think Esmeralda, out of anyone in this category, has
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: the most separates.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: She does.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: She has the most pieces.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, so then are we going to give it to Esmeralda?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Does it go to Esmeralda? Because she has the most
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: separates and also the best ensemble of said separates.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Coming in like a dark horse, it's going to Esmeralda
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: from The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Congratulations to Esmeralda from The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Wow. And now we've reached... The main event. Okay. The
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: ranking of the most beautiful Disney dresses according to two
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: transsexual podcasters. And, you know, we thought that we would
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: do a worst dress category, but the task was simply
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: too tall. It was. It was too tall. So instead
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: we're going to say that definitively the worst dress is
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Ariel's pink dress in The Little Mermaid that she wears
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: to dinner with Eric her first night of being human.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Yes. It's simply nasty. It is the wrong pink. It
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: has the wrong sleeves.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: It's clashing with her hair. It's like a millennial pink color.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: It's dowdy and slutty. I will say... She's showing a
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: lot of cleavage, which I do appreciate.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, but it's in stark contrast to the rest of
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: her extremely unslutty ensemble. You know what would really help
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: with this outfit is an updo. An updo would have
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: actually really brought this home. Maybe also a pump and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: just like three inches off the hem so we could
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: see those slutty little pumps would have brought it right home.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I actually think this dress could work much better as like,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: If the skirt was very short and she was going
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: for kind of like a slutty Renaissance fair wench look.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. There's a lot of wenches here today. And
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: I really, but I, this wench kind of moment.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: I identify as a wench.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, me too. It's not a hag. It's a wench.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: It's a wench.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: And this is the worst dress.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Wench summer 2026.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Wench Summer 2026.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, now let's get to the actual ranking.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: I don't wait. How many should I count? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: 18 dresses in this category for most beautiful Disney dresses.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: These are not separates. These are not cloaks. These are
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: not accessories.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: And again, we want to be clear. These are the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: dresses that we picked that we wanted to rank. Yes.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: So if there is something that you think should be
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: in here that is not... Make your own podcast about it.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: No, get into the comments section.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah. Get into the comments.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: I want to see what's missing from this because there's.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: A lot of dresses not represented. I do want to
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: hear the obvious things that we missed.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: And honestly, we're going to hit publish and the girls
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: are going to get in the comments and the virgins
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: are going to say, oh, what about this? And we're like, oh,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Believe we forgot that. I can't believe we forgot about that.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: And you know what? Maybe we'll do a follow-up episode.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: We won't. We won't. We won't do that. Okay. Coming
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: in dead last.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: But still... Worth ranking.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: But still cunty. Is Alice from Alice in Wonderland. The
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: thing is, this is a dress she clearly did not
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: pick out herself. No. Her mother or her nanny put
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: her in it. It's a very simple blue frock. She's
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: wearing a white apron over it. I do love the apron.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: It's also giving Prada in that sense. I think an
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: apron would be a really cunty summer accessory. And I'm
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: kind of feeling like maybe I should start experimenting with aprons.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: What if I wore a really cunty leather apron? Or
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: like a... A vinyl apron or something? Or like a
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: latex apron?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: As someone who hated the Prada collection based on indentured servants,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I really don't like that idea. But I will say
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: one of the things that I really loved and why
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: I really think that this dress is worth ranking, aside
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: from obviously the Prada apron, is the fact that she
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: wears white tights.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: And a Mary Jane.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: And a black Mary Jane.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: That's probably the most Sandy Liang diva on this list. Yes.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Coming in at 17, we have Cinderella as a maid.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Once again, indentured servant realness. Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: And so it looks like she's wearing a very simple
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: brown frock, you know, layered over a long sleeve tee.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's Uniqlo heat tech. I don't know.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: This is once again, a kind of quiet luxury. Less
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: is more.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Wealth whispers. Yes.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Wealth really does whisper.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Another apron. This one is slightly more practical because she
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: is an indentured servant.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: And you would look at this garment and you would
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: think these are separate and they're not.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: They're not.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: We spoke with the animators. We went to the Capitol.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: We walked over to Pine's Pantry, went to the ice
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: cream freezer, and talked to Walt Disney's cryogenically frozen head.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Where it's stored.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: He said it's a dress.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: He said it's a dress.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, next up on the list. I threw this in.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: A bit of a swerve, but actual.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: A bit of a curveball.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: But it must be ranked.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: A bit of a swerve, but also a bit of
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: a serve. We've got Little Bo Peep from Toy Story.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Colloquially known as... Bo Peep.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: She is giving, you know, milkmaid realness. She's got her
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: shepherd's crook. I love the polka dots. We don't see
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of prince when it comes to Disney princesses.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: No, we don't, shockingly.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Or even just like female Disney characters, cunty female Disney characters.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: And she is also, you know, showcasing the Disney animator
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: motif of Oh, you think I'm innocent? Well, I've got
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: the ruffled undergarment of a whore.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not even just petticoats. She's got what
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: look like bloomers.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Bloomers. She's wearing white ruffly bloomers. I would say it's
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: my favorite part of the garment. Also a Mary Jane.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Also a Mary Jane. She's got the cane. And her
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: waist is like you can't even see it. Only competitor
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: wearing a bonnet.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: And she's got bangs, which I like. Kind of a
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: little similar to the Sleeping Beauty bang.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, similar to the Cinderella nightgown bang as well.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, next up we have Mulan's fighting dress from the
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: end of Mulan. This is when Mulan has decided to
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: not put her hair up in a ponytail, but still
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: handle it.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: It is when she said, okay, I was assigned female
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: at birth. I... I'm going on this journey as a
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: cross-dresser because I know myself to be a transgender man.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: And at the end of the film, after wearing the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: girl drag, and after wearing the boy drag, she said,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: you know what?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: This is me.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: You know what? I am, as transsexual as I know
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: myself to be, I am non-binary. And I think that
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: that is so.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, because it's a little Mulan.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: It's a little Mushu. Yes, it's a little Ping. It's
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: a little Mulan, it's a little Ping. It is... like,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: kind of perfect non-binary, like, femme. Slash T-boy.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Love it. Okay, next up, y'all are going to be
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: surprised that we even included her.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Gagged. But the blue fairy from Disney's Pinocchio, I was
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: so enchanted by this look. It is a blue sparkly
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: garment that is, I would say, reminiscent of the quintessential
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Cinderella dress, which we will discuss later. She does rank
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: on this list. But it has much less shape. It
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: is almost a nightgown. But because she is a fairy,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: we know that it's a dress.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing is, because she's a fairy, she probably
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: both sleeps and works in the same outfit.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: I would say it's giving area. I would say.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It's also kind of.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Well, okay.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: It's a little dowdy. It's a little dowdy for area.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: It's a little matronly.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe Bob Mackie.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, Bob Mackie boots.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: It's Bob Mackie boots. I love all of the sheer elements.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Not a lot of sheers represented today.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: It's honestly like what Bob Mackie would make for Debra Vance. Yes.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. It's exactly what it's giving. Love the Blue Fairy.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: She is amazing.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: She's also got a long, skinny, minimalist wand, but it
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: has a star at the end.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: And mind you, I believe we're like at number 15
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: in the ranking. We were very intentional about how we
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: ranked these in that we did it in two to
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: three minutes. Maybe four to five. We knew that when
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: it came to fairies, there was one fairy that ranked
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: ahead of her. And that was number 14, Tinkerbell.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Who is wearing a dress. It is a very short,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: slutty kind of cocktail dress.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: To quote Michelle Visage, it's a piece of fabric.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: It is. It's also in Michelle Visage's least favorite color, green.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, even though I love this green. It is like,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: I love the green.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: It's like a pea shoot green.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: I love that she wears it even though it washes
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: her out.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's got a matching slipper. I love a
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: girl who matches her accessories to her outfit.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: The unbrushed bun of a whore. which I love.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Well, she put her hair up in a bun and
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: handled it.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: She's maybe.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: She put her hair up in the bun so that
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: she could suck off Peter Pan. Well, that's like the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: hook version with Julia Roberts.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: But the standout in this ensemble... Is not the dress, actually.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: No, it's her wings.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: I was going to say it was her shoes.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Oh. Look at her shoes.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Look at the little crystal balls or a pom-pom. Or
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: what is that, Rose? I don't even know what that is.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: It's probably like an eye that she plucked out of
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: a cockroach.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: And the fact that we don't know adds to the whimsy. Yes.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: I love my job, bro.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: So true.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, so coming in.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Speaking of whimsy.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Speaking of whimsy.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: We've got the diva doll herself, Minnie Mouse. I know
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: she's not technically a Disney princess from a Disney movie.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Well, we're not doing princesses, actually. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Disney dresses ranked. And she is emblematic of Disney.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: And she was the first. She threw the first brick
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: when it came to The slutty little white undergarment.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: She threw the first brick at Cinderella's castle.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: She threw the first brick at Disneyland.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: I guess it's maybe not, it's shocking, but not shocking
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: that this era of Disney, they were like, who is
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: the first diva we will ever draw? Who will it be? Oh,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: it's a mouse. What is she wearing? Maybe a dress,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: a polka dot dress. Maybe, what else do women wear?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: A bow. Okay.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe a little, a little, a little shoe with a
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: bow on it too. What do we add to her?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: slutty little undergarments that are always visible.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: That's the crazy thing, is that you can always see
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: her panties.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: It's literally never not visible. They must always be showing.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Which is crazy. What she is kind of giving is
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Olivia Rodrigo at that concert when everyone got mad at
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: her for dressing like a little girl.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, she's giving Olivia Rodrigo this shoe, a shoe that Laueve... reinterpreted.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Yes um in some okay in some versions Minnie Mouse
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: is topless and you're just seeing the top of her
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: mouse body and she has a skirt on but I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: would say for the most part this is a dress
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: and I love that the dress matches the bow this
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: is a recurring theme we've seen all throughout this rank
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: this uh you know whole episode is bows.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: And once again the unafraid of the polka dot.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, and she has bows both on her head and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: her shoe. And you know what? I bet there's a
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: bow on the back of the dress too.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, I bet there is. Wow.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. Next up, people are going to be mad at
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: how low this is ranked in the list because of
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: how kind of definitively Disney princess it is. But it
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: must be said that next up we have Cinderella silver
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: version of her ball gown. Yes, if you have Disney
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: likes to pretend that Cinderella's dress is blue. It is not.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: It is canonically when this film was released in the 40s, 50s,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: I think early 50s. It was silver, all the better
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: to match her glass slipper. It's very, it's like a
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: platinum color. It's so gorgeous. It looks so amazing next
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: to her like butter yellow hair.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: So I didn't know this kind of blue-silver thing. I
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: didn't know that the dress was actually silver. I knew
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: that in the Hans Christian Andersen canon, the slippers are... Oh, no,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about Wizard of Oz, the silver slippers. But
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: in the Hans Christian Andersen, it's like they're not glass.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Aren't they also silver? They are glass. Okay, maybe I'm
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: thinking of something else. But I love the silver version.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: I think it's way better than the blue version. I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: think that when we think about Disney dresses, the first
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: thing we think is Cinderella blue dress.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I do think Cinderella is the emblematic Disney princess.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: She is one of the classic three of Snow White, Aurora, Cinderella.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: And I think of them, she's the most.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: She's the one that you think of first. She's not
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: necessarily our favorite, as you will learn as we go
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: further down this list, but she's serving cunt. I will
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: say this is the one instance where I do think
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: the animated dress is eclipsed by the live-action dress worn
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: by Lily.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: What's-her-face.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: What's-her-face in live-action Cinderella.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Lily Rose Death.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: Like, one of the only good Disney live-action films.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: That dress technically could have been on this list because
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: it was enhanced by CGI, so it is technically animated.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: She is kind of queen of the updo. I think
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: that this is kind of the best updo in the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: entire episode.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Also, look, no ears and a headband.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: No ears because beauty standards.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Women don't need to hear. And the only thing they
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: should hear is, make me a sandwich.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: But she does have earrings?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: I actually think those are what her headband is attached to.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: It's maybe even like a headphone, like she's listening to
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: her own music. She's dancing on her own.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: The wiki image we're looking at includes a kind of
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Spencer's Gifts choker. Does she wear a choker in the movie?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: She does.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Whoa, that is really, really cool. risque um but you
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: know again giving us presentation how this garment is presented
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: to us in the canon cannot be ignored tons of
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: points for the imaginations that were captured in this dress
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: being transformed into this cinderella silver.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Okay next up this is like if if this list
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: was mine alone yes this would be much closer to
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: the top so this is vanessa from ursula's you know
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: alternate persona ursula's wario from um from the little mermaid
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: but specifically the scene in which she is singing to
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: the mirror where scuttle sees her and clocks her tea
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: so um If we were being really technical, I think
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: this is a chemise or an undergarment, but it is
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: presented to us as a dress, and so we are
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: calling it a dress.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Well, wearing an undergarment as a dress is so... I
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: love that aesthetic.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: It's so effortless. This is giving quiet luxury. It's not
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: over-designed at all. There is a very slight... hem detail
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: at the bottom of the dress.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: You know what? It's kind of, to me, a little
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: like Dolce & Gabbana. It's very classic Italian slut vibes.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, Versace.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, very Versace, especially with the seashell necklace. I could
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: see a Monica Bellucci in this. Yes.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: I love, actually, honestly, even as we're speaking, I wonder
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: if it should be higher than our next contender. I
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: almost wonder if we should switch Vanessa singing Mirror. Because
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: the thing is, when she's... The thing is, when she says.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Soon I'll have that little mermaid on the ocean.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: Will be mine. I think that she jumps in the ranking.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know what ranking this is. I've kind of
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: lost count, but.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, numbers don't matter.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Next up in the ranking, actually, the one who has
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: just knocked down a peg. Right here, live, on air.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: From the film Pocahontas.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: The titular Pocahontas.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Now... We know this film has not aged well. It
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: hadn't aged well literally the day it came out. Nevertheless,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Pocahontas ate down.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: This is, as someone who respects Kalina Estrada as a designer,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: I will say this is giving everything that Kalina Estrada
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: wishes she could give. It's giving asymmetry. It's giving rawhide.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: It's giving fringe asymmetry.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, if Kalina Strada made this, it
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: would be made out of polyester. And you know Pocahontas.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: This is an animal skin that she skinned and tanned herself.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: I kind of wish that we could see what the
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: IRL version of this could be. Disney will never remake
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: this movie into a live action because they would be
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: burned at the stake.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Well, actually, no.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: It would make millions and billions of dollars because the
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: music is so good. But unfortunately, we'll never see the
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: live action iteration. We will never see... how beautiful the
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: raw skin of the animal must be on this garment.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: I love that she's got a waist detail. I love
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: that there's a trim happening. I love that she's accessorized
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: it with her mother's turquoise necklace.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: An object metaphor that plays a pivotal role in a
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: climactic scene of this film. When we were discussing best
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: dresses earlier, um, on the pool deck earlier today, and
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: we were talking to Julio and thinking about doing a
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: best accessories category, which we are not doing. If there
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: was a best accessories category, I do think that Pocahontas
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: necklace would maybe be number one.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, it would, it would be up there for sure.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: I also really love that this is the kind of
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: dress that really takes her from day to night. Yes. Um,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: you can kind of do anything in it. She's jumping
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: off cliffs. She's, Going just around the river bend. She's
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: falling in love with a problematic white guy.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: She is canoeing. She is free climbing.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: She's talking to Grandmother Willow. And I bet Grandmother Willow
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: is like, girl, where'd you get that dress?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: And also, once again, upcycling.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Upcycling.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Sustainability.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Sustainable queen. Okay, you know who's not a sustainable queen?
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Because actually, for a kind of latter-day Disney princess, She
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: wears so many looks.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: So many looks.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: We have Tiana from The Princess and the Frog, specifically
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: in her dream sequence montage flapper look.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: I don't like this movie. I'm not going to lie.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really either. I tried. We rewatched it recently.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: With Jerry.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: And it was so boring.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: It was so boring. I love a lot of the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: garments that Tiana wears. But this flapper dress really blows
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: all of them out of the water.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Although, now that I'm looking at it, I don't think
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: this is better than Pocahontas.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Whoa. Are we going to knock this down below Pocahontas
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: and Vanessa?
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe below Vanessa.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: It's crazy that we're saying this is better than Cinderella,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: but you know what? This is our list.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: This is our ranking.
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  Speaker 1: I think for sure... No, I just mean the people.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's better. I just think people are going
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: to be mad at us.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: People are going to be mad and people can stay
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: mad because.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: This is what? And they can suck our sheenuses.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Our podcast. I'm literally live editing right now just so
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: that we can remember how this ranking works. Rose, will
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: you please introduce the next contender?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, we have... This is a deep cut. We have
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Madame Medusa from The Rescuers, right? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: We honestly, I have like a lot of kind of
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: evil fems in the cultural memory of my childhood. I
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: think a lot about the Cruellas, right? The Maleficents, the Grimhildas, right?
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: The Lady Germains. But when I think about Madame Medusa
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: from the movie The Rescuers, I'm thinking about someone who
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: really bodies what it means to be a bitch who
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: does not give a fuck.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is also kind of flapperish.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: It's flapperish. It is from the Bayou. I think this
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: film is set in Louisiana.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: I like that it's a halter, a neckline we have
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: not seen yet on this list.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: And something that I think that really makes this a
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: standout garment, aside from the fact that she presents it
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: to us so impeccably, is the fact that in a
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: vast terrain, as we've gone through with you throughout this,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: extended episode in a vast terrain of divas who are
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: going to say, I'm drowning my body in fabric because
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: I'm a woman of a certain age. She said, these
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: are my tits and these tits sag the way they
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: should sag because I'm a woman of a certain age.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: And you're going to like it.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not afraid of this because I love my body
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: and I'm not afraid to dress like an absolute.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: The one thing I would change about this dress is
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: the color. What? I do think the red is a
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: little too close to the color of her hair.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: I wish it was, well, okay. That's what I like
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: I would kind of like for it to be a darker,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: more Mother Gothel, Lady Tremaine red.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, but it is about the silhouette here. I'll agree
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: with you there. Eyeshadow down.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Love the tights.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Love Madame Medusa. I believe she even wears a coat
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: over it at one point.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, next up on the list, we have a classic
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Disney princess.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Also one of the ones who, when you think the
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: words Disney princess, this is the image that comes to mind.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: And when Moschino released his Disney-inspired collection, or maybe multiple
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Disney collections, I can't remember.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: This is the dress that looms in my mind. This
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: is the dress that would provide all of the references.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: It is Snow White's. Blue and yellow dress.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Her only look.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: I want to break down.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Well, besides her servant look, yeah. She only has two dresses.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: As we're getting into kind of the top five or six,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: there are a few details I want to point out here.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: First up, we have a gorgeous red lining. underneath her
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: black capelet.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: That matches the slashes in her puff sleeves.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Great detail. Which are stunning, and which also matches the
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: red bow. The classic Moschino bow.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: And she also has bows on her heels. I love
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: that she's wearing a heel, running through the.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Forest, in a heel.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Not everyone can do that. Not everyone can do that.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Not everyone can rock a Moschino heel with bows on it.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: running through away from the spooky eyes in the thicket
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: of the forest. I also think that there's a color
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: blocking thing here going on that's really sublime. The Yves
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Klein blue.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: It's very 90s.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, we have the Yves Klein blue. We have the
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: harsh red. We have the kind of like a lighter
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: cerulean blue.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: It's very like United Colors of Benetton like vibes. Like
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Tommy Hilfiger. Yes. Classic Americana, even though this is set
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: in Germany.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: I would wear this garment. There's also like a, what
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: is the thing around the collar? Is it called a cowl?
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's a cowl, yeah.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love, love, love this dress. I think she
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: is like really quintessentially Disney.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: And it moves so well. Yes. Next up, so probably
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: the princess most represented on this list, we have Ariel's
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: wedding dress from the end of The Little Mermaid, which
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: is essentially a copy and paste of Princess Diana's wedding dress.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: And that's why it's so fab. It's so 80s. It's crazy.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Her body is so tea. I love... That she has
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: the huge shoulder, but we still get like the collarbone
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: peeking out.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: And she is showing so much of her chest, but
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: not her cleavage.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Because she's a lady. No, it's her décolletage.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: It's her décolletage. She has the 80s sleeve. She has
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: the 80s bang. She is a number five in this ranking.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: We are getting close to the finish line here. I
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: think that when we think about like wedding dresses in
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: media today, When we think about Disney princesses looking their best,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: I do think that Ariel's wedding dress is so stunning.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: And I gotta say, there's a cosmopolitan ranking of Disney
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: dresses that I really do not stand by. They ranked
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: this dress so low, Rose.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: Wow, they should be killed.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: They don't understand the reference. They don't understand the time period.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: The YouTuber that I was talking about before, Babidi Kate,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: she likes to call this look the victory dress because
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: like one of the categories she made up in this
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Disney like princess ranking she did was like that the
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: Disney to be a true Disney princess, you have to
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: have an uncontrovertible win at the end of your movie.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: Like you can't, you can't just like win. You have
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: to like get everything you want and leave the haters mad.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: And what Ariel is doing in this ball, in this
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: wedding dress is incredible. getting everything she wants and making
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: the haters mad. Yeah.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: Great earrings too.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Okay. Next up we have Mulan, her opening dress. From
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: the matchmaker scene. Matchmaker, hear my plea. Help me not
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: to make.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: A fool of me. When Mulan may be, you know,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: having a gender struggle in this dress, she might not
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: necessarily be loving the garment that she is wearing. In fact,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: she's kind of diametrically opposed to this garment. She's wearing
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: as a non-binary trans man.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: But she looks cunt.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: But she looks cunt. And she said, I am going
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: to bring honor to us all.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I love the sleeve hanging over the hands.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: The best detail, in my opinion.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: I love, like, there's just so many components to this outfit. Like,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: I know it's probably more of a robe than a dress,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: but like the whole outfit together is giving dress. I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: love the shawl that's not really doing anything. It's just
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: kind of dragging behind her. There is such a great
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: flow here in movement. Of course, we have the comb
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: that her grandmother or her mother gives her.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: I think it's her... Maybe both.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Her little wispy bang that can't be controlled because she's
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: a wild, non-binary person who can't be tamed.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Her neckline... Her collar is... It's like a sheer mesh silk.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: It's so beautiful. It's so subtle. It's so understated, even
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: though the dress is very dramatic, ceremonial. And as we
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: were saying earlier, I love this over-the-size sleeve. I love
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: that she is.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: It's very Ariana from her era where she was only
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: wearing oversized hoodies.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, only wearing oversized hoodies. And also just in the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: commentary of it all saying, women, they don't need to
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: use their hands.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: They don't need to have motor functions. But she has
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: to pour the tea. She has to pour the tea.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Pour the tea.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, next up on the list, I'm sure some of
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: you would think this would be number one. But for us,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: it was number three. And honestly, it was kind of
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: contentious getting it up here.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: But to be fair, I think maybe even more so
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: than Cinderella, when you think Disney Princess, you think of
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: this dress specifically. And that is, of course... Bell's gold
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: ball gown from Beauty and the Beast.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: Is it gold or is it yellow?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: It's a golden yellow.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: It's a golden yellow. Well, it's like, it's so like,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: I would love to see the texture of the garment
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: to see if it was like, cause obviously probably, I mean,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: actually maybe not obviously.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: So you'll never see that. And the live action version
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: was shit from above.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Not canon. Disgusting iteration of that dress. I think there's
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: a shimmery detail. The, Decolletage collar for sure is sheer.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: I love that it's off the shoulder.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: I love, love, love the sleeves.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: I love the half up, half down hair.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: I love that unlike many competitors, unafraid of a monochrome look.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: She is head to toe yellow. It reminds me so
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: much of one of the most famous dresses of all time,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Rihanna's Met Gala dress from the Guape collection. exhibit or
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: no no sorry guapei guapei was the designer it was
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: like the chinese fashion exhibit i honestly think about it
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: That's what emma watson should have worn in the live.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: Action yeah she should have worn guapei the yellow shoe
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: it's just the undergarment.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: The way this dress moves when she's dancing with the
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: beast oh my god also like i'm sure you've seen
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: that fan art where they have um her father in
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: the dress like what if what if what if the
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: beast refused to trade bell for her father and he
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: ended up living out the plot of beauty.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: And the beast and he looks fab i honestly when
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: i think about a disney princess dress this is the
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: dress it's not cinderella it's not snow white it is
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: bell and beauty and the beast wearing the yellow dress Gorgeous.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: It's very... This also could maybe be the dress that
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Michelle Visage would hate, because it is from the sort
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: of period that Marie Antoinette... Because Beauty and the Beast
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: is a French fairy tale. It is Marie Antoinette adjacent,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: so Michelle Visage, eat your heart out. Yes. Our number
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: two pick, I think if you have been fans of
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: this podcast for a long time, you will not be
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: surprised by who we chose as the number two slot,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: even though Disney purists... Might not necessarily fuck with it.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you, Megara from the movie Hercules wears
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: one garment the entire movie. And that's all she needs.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: That's all she fucking needs. She is a Grecian woman.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: Grecian women, they got shit to do.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: She is serving body. Look at that waist. Look at
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: the hips. Look at the tits. Also wearing a sandal,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: something that we said did not show up a lot
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: on this ranking, and I'm happy to see it here.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: Talk about a headband. I don't even know, in terms
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: of gravitational pull and physics, how the headband functions and
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: what it does. It is all together, at the same time,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: a hair down and hair up.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: I love that she's got the contrasting details of the
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: gold medallions and the gold headband and the gold sandals. Yes.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: And she also, yes, it's giving wealth. It's giving quiet luxury.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: She has, it's, it's giving draping. It's giving draping across
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: the neckline, a cinch right under the boobs so that
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: she is tit for tat. up tits first into any
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: room she walks into.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking, like, who would make this? It's kind
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: of giving, like, Jonathan Anderson's Dior a little bit.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's Dior.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: He just did a lot of those drop waist, and that's, like,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: very much what we're seeing here. Like, even though her
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: waist is snatched, like, we have the sash around her hips.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: And I don't even know exactly, I remember from the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: animation that this is, like, kind of always present, but
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: The sash has like a pointy accent on the side
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: of the hip.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: It's to show that she's secretly in league with Hades.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is. She's soft. She's feminine. She's cut to
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: the feminine.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: But she's also hard.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: But she has that pointy. She's soft and hard. She's
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: got the pointy edge so that you know that she's
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: not like the other girls.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: And she's very, you know, classic femme fatale, very Mae West.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: She just like, She's a real ass bitch. She's a
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: down ass bitch.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of pinks and purples in this episode.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: A lot of kind of girliana, kind of magenta pinks.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: This is a grown up pink.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Or purple. Is it purple?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: It's like lilac.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: It's lilac. It's also, she is really giving doll. She's really.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: Doll.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: Her and Hercules are giving T for T couple.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: I saw her at Bodyhack last week.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: Okay. She has surged the house down. Yes.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: Yes. she literally used every dollar that her state health
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: insurance would give her.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: To wear this dress. Well, every coin? What do the
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: Greeks use for currency?
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Every, I don't know. Yeah, I have no idea.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's coins, yeah. Okay, now.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Coming in at number one.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: Number one. I think, okay, so no one will be
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: surprised because we did talk about this dress. This is
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: like the inciting incident of why we did this ranking.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: And you would think that maybe we would throw a
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: curveball at you.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: This gif is so funny also that we're looking at.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: I wonder if I can put it in, maybe not,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: in the Patreon. This is a really intense gif of
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: this competitor emerging from the sea. You would think it's
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: her victory dress, but it's actually her pre-victory dress.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is her kind of whorish I'm a woman now.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: This is her surgery reveal party outfit.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Outfit.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Giving Aphrodite Botticelli realness in the category of best Disney dresses.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: It's Ariel's seafoam dress.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: So what I love about this is the storytelling.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, not only is this a sickening, gorgeous dress,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: it literally is Rihanna in that sparkly naked dress. Yes.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: But.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: It's also storytelling because this dress is created magically out
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: of seafoam by her father, King Triton, when he decides
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: that she can be a human woman. And I also
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: like that in the original Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: the mermaid is threatened with dissolving into seafoam if she
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't get the prince to fall in love with her
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: or kill him. So does subverted that by creating this
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: dress out of seafoam. And that's on feminism. Yes, it is.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: And if you're not familiar with the original Hans Christian
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: Andersen Little Mermaid, The whole plot, because it hinges on
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: the Little Mermaid's idea of mortality, right? She wants to
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: go to heaven. It's the number one reason that she
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: wants to be human. She wants to have an everlasting soul. Yes,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: she wants to go to heaven, and mermaids don't have souls.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: They get turned into sea foam.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: And that's what you should say the next time says
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: that the Little Mermaid did everything she did because of
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: a man. No, she didn't. She did it because she
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: wanted an eternal soul. And I.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: To put her as number one, I think also showcases
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: Ariel as a kind of fashion icon because she is
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: ranked number one in this list and number five in
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: this list. She was a hot competitor in the separates category,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: a competitor in the nightgown category, and she was also
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: worst dressed. She said, she said, hi, I'm also, I'm
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: going to be the best. And the worst because I'm
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: the best at the worst.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's because she gave us variety.
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  Speaker 2: Variety. And unconventional materials.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: And unconventional materials. She created the most, I think, compelling
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: package of any Disney princess.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: This package. Baby, it's giving wealth. It's giving Nepo baby.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Well, her father's literally king of the sea. She is
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: the Nepo baby.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: She is the Nepo baby.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: She was a princess, and now she's becoming a queen.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: And she was also a fantastical, mythical creature, and now
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: she's another kind of mythical creature. She's a trans woman.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many dresses in this episode that I would
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: want to wear. There are things that I would wear
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: at daytime, evening, out on the town, to sleep, etc.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: But if I could push a magic button and have
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: one dress... It would be this dress.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: It would be this one. This is, I would wear
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: this to a red carpet. Yes. I would wear this
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: to buy groceries. Baby.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: You would wear, if you, okay, imagine this dress and
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: a sneaker.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. A sneaker. The high and low of
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: it all.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: A jean jacket or a leather jacket.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Baby.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: It is versatile, but it's serving.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: And it's. Most importantly, sparkly.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: It is absolutely sublime.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: It's so iridescent. Like, you can't quite tell what color
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: it is, even though it's definitely purple.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, you don't really know what material it is, even
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: though it's assuredly seafoam. Yeah.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: And you know what? Because of that, this is also
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: kind of an unconventional materials win. Wow. Ariel, to me.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: She is the Disney princess.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: She really is. She is my number one. That's why
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: she's the number one and the number five and the
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: worst dressed and a hot competitor in all these other categories.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: She's every woman. She's every woman. And so are we. Y'all,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: I hope you have enjoyed us talking about the best
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: Disney dresses for the past hour and 40 minutes. Maybe
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: one of our longest episodes ever.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: Well, our first Wicked episode.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: That was a big one.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: This.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Was so fun to do.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: This was so fun. I love that we're back to
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: doing these deep dives.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: If you are a Patreon subscriber, please send this episode
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: to your friends who are not Patreon subscribers. I think
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: that this is a beautiful showcasing of what Rose and
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: I do best. Not to toot my own horn.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: Send this to the Disney adult in your life.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: Send this to the Disney hater in your life.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a bait and switch. It's kind of
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: actually a really cunty thing to do to be like, hey,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: I think you would like this podcast episode and then
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: it's behind a paywall. And they themselves either, they can
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: either check back in with you and be like, hey,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: it's behind a paywall and feel some kind of shame
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: about that or they can not say anything and just
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: pay for the episode in order to find common ground
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: with you as a kind of friend or acquaintance. Yes.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I also love that this was technically our pride episode
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: because loving these dresses is definitely contributed to us being
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: gay slash trans. Yes.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: These are all gay trans slash trans dresses. I absolutely
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: love all of you virgins. Thank you for being a
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: devout subscriber. I don't want to preview with too much information,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: but we do want to be doing more bonus episodes
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: and that might be in your near future as the
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: subscribers behind our paywall. So stay tuned for more exclusive
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: patron exclusive content from us. But baby, I was born
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: this way. Oh, there ain't no other way.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: When you wish upon a star,