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Opposition Leader Lia Finocchiaro says the Chief Minister needs to tell Territorians how much the former Police Commissioner was paid out · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Now Opposition leader Lea Fanocchiaro joins me in the studio
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  Speaker 1: right now. Good morning to you, Leah.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Now, firstly, a fleeting visit from the Prime Minister late
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  Speaker 1: yesterday for an important announcement.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think we all.
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  Speaker 1: Understand that no one's disputing the work done at the
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  Speaker 1: Allen Walker Kansas Center. I want to say that right
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  Speaker 1: from the get go. Obviously my dad go through that
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  Speaker 1: center and had friends do the same. There are so
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  Speaker 1: many people though, that are this morning questioning how the
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister could come to the Northern Territory and not
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  Speaker 1: actually announce anything or speak about any plans to support
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory through the crime crisis that we're experiencing
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  Speaker 1: right now. Leah, do you think that the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 1: should have done more yesterday?
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  Speaker 4: I think it just shows when Natasha Farz's priorities are
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  Speaker 4: at now. Health is critical and no one's taking that away.
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  Speaker 4: But equally, we had a Prime minister fly into Alice
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  Speaker 4: Springs for four hours and now it's two hundred and.
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  Speaker 2: Fifty million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: This is months ago, Katie and that community are still
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  Speaker 4: wondering where that money is and so to come to
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  Speaker 4: Darwin and just sort of fob off the one issue
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  Speaker 4: that is on every single person's mind just shows that
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  Speaker 4: Labour want to talk about anything other than the biggest
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  Speaker 4: issue affecting all of our health, all of our safety,
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  Speaker 4: all of our lives, all of our workplaces, and that
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  Speaker 4: is crime.
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  Speaker 1: Now speaking of obviously, I understand that you were in
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  Speaker 1: Alice Springs on the weekend. There is unbelievably bad vision
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  Speaker 1: that has emerged from Alice Springs over the weekend of
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  Speaker 1: really very violent fighting on the streets in Alice.
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  Speaker 3: It's mortifying stuff. Did you see of that?
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  Speaker 4: Very difficult to watch, actually, Katie, really horrific, and that's
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  Speaker 4: a lived experience of so many people in Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 4: It was really important for me to go on the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to catch up with every day Alice Springs residents.
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  Speaker 4: Normally I sort of meet with a lot of businesses
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  Speaker 4: when I go during the week but this was an
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  Speaker 4: opportunity to get out on the doors and door knock
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  Speaker 4: houses and the shopping center, at a cafe and chattered
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  Speaker 4: to people coming through there and talk to people at
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  Speaker 4: the Alice Springs Cup and what was really clear is
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  Speaker 4: that crime is really taking its toll.
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  Speaker 2: People were saying that the.
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  Speaker 4: Turnout at the races was low, and some people really
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  Speaker 4: attributed that to just significantly low morale in that community.
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  Speaker 4: But equally, cost of living is playing havoc on that town,
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  Speaker 4: the cost and infrequency of flights, the inavailability of childcare,
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  Speaker 4: all of these things that meaning people are going And
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  Speaker 4: I just spoke to so many people who were telling
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  Speaker 4: me they're not going to see out there end of
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  Speaker 4: the year.
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  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister had said at that press conference yesterday
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  Speaker 1: that some of that two hundred and fifty million dollars
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  Speaker 1: has already been invested in Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 3: Has there been any improvement.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about that, because of course there
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  Speaker 4: was fifty that got initially put up, and then there
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  Speaker 4: was the two fifty. Now I've spoken to people who
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  Speaker 4: said that money hasn't flowed just a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 4: I'm confident the federal government said that the detail would
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  Speaker 4: be in the budget, which obviously hasn't had to Minister
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  Speaker 4: had told me that last week exactly exactly. So I
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  Speaker 4: think there's a bit of, you know, bit of bending
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  Speaker 4: of the truth here. I think the optics that they're
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  Speaker 4: trying to achieve is that two fifty has hit the ground,
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  Speaker 4: but I would say that it hasn't, Katie, And the
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  Speaker 4: fact that the Chief Minister can't commit to how much
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  Speaker 4: of that is going to support a police response or
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  Speaker 4: any response at all is pretty shocking. And when I've
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  Speaker 4: spoken to agencies in Alice Springs who have bid for
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  Speaker 4: parts of that money, they certainly haven't heard back on
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  Speaker 4: whether or not they're getting it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a pretty interesting process.
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  Speaker 4: Basically, two point fifty was put on the table and
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  Speaker 4: then anyone could sort of apply to use it for
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  Speaker 4: various things. So there's really no strategy around how that
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  Speaker 4: two fifty is going to roll out.
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  Speaker 1: Lea are weird a state of emergency when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to the crime situation that we are experiencing across the.
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  Speaker 4: Territory without question, and that deadline has come and gone.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we're in a prolonged state of emergency. This
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  Speaker 4: is an absolute crisis. People are are desperate for action,
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  Speaker 4: the devastation, the impact on people's health and well being.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, people can't sleep at night. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: extreme levels to.
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  Speaker 4: Barricade their homes, their businesses, protect their children, protect their animals.
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  Speaker 4: I was speaking to someone who is very supportive of
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  Speaker 4: making sure that pets that are lost are found, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, she was saying to me, there's been an
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  Speaker 4: increase even in attacks on animals in people's yards, and.
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  Speaker 2: So this is now becoming.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's a point where people, will I go
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  Speaker 4: to the shops, what time will I go? Which shot
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  Speaker 4: will I go to? Will I bring the kids? Where
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  Speaker 4: will I park? Is my car going to be there
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  Speaker 4: when I come back with the shopping? This is all
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  Speaker 4: the things in people's minds. We saw John John's have
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  Speaker 4: to close to give his staff respite in Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 4: It's just the hideous levels of violence.
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  Speaker 1: All the while we know that the situation with the
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  Speaker 1: Police Commissioner, it's been fascical. There's no other way to
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  Speaker 1: put both the Northern Territory government and mister Talker issuing
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  Speaker 1: a statement though over the weekend saying that he has
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  Speaker 1: officially retired from his position. It's weeks after Sky News
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  Speaker 1: had initially reported that he'd been asked to resign by
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government. How much do you you think
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  Speaker 1: that this has caused the territory taxpayer.
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  Speaker 4: It would be an enormous amount, Katie I would imagine,
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  Speaker 4: I would imagine.
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  Speaker 2: So who knows.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the point, you know, Territorians may never ever
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  Speaker 4: find out. We've got a Chief Minister who totally bungled
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  Speaker 4: the exit strategy for Jamie Chalker. He's then taken her
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  Speaker 4: to court. She's then done anything she could to end
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  Speaker 4: this dispute before she had to take the stand in
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  Speaker 4: the Supreme Court, and who knows what would have come
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  Speaker 4: out of that. I think one of the saddest parts
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  Speaker 4: of this story is not only the lack of leadership
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  Speaker 4: from the government on crime and then of course there's
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  Speaker 4: a lack of leadership in our police force as they
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  Speaker 4: are in this limbo situation, but also that we may
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  Speaker 4: never ever find out what really happened in terms of
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  Speaker 4: was it that the government Was it that Jamie Chalker
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  Speaker 4: wanted the AFP to come to support territory police and
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  Speaker 4: the government said no, And that was something that came
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  Speaker 4: out in the reporting over this dispute in court, And
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  Speaker 4: so we might never ever find out the real truth
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  Speaker 4: of if the Natasha File's government stopped police from asking
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  Speaker 4: for support from the AFP.
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  Speaker 1: Now, how important do you think that it is at
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  Speaker 1: this point that the government gets it right when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to the recruitment of a new commissioner. We know
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  Speaker 1: Michael Murphy acting in the role. He has put his
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  Speaker 1: hand up. He is well respected around the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 1: How important do you think it is though, when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to the recruitment of this.
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  Speaker 3: Job, Well, it's critical.
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  Speaker 4: It is just one of the single most important jobs
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  Speaker 4: in our jurisdiction. You know, you've got the government, then
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  Speaker 4: you've got the police force who are out there working
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  Speaker 4: through keeping our community safe. A police commissioner needs to
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  Speaker 4: be a person that can bring the police force and
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  Speaker 4: build them back up and bring them together. We've got
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  Speaker 4: a crisis of health and well being, a morale crisis.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that need to be done
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  Speaker 4: to support our police, including adequate resourcing. The new Police
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  Speaker 4: commissioner needs to be able to say to the government
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  Speaker 4: that they should not be stripped of their powers anymore,
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  Speaker 4: that they need their power back to deal with criminals.
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  Speaker 4: You know, this is a really critical time for the territory. Ultimately,
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  Speaker 4: we certainly hope that the best person for the territory
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  Speaker 4: gets the job, not the best person for Natasha Files.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what did you make then of the fact that
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  Speaker 1: the Chief Minister had held a press conference earlier in
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  Speaker 1: the week on Sunday? I think it was then she
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  Speaker 1: was forced to send out an apology statement a little
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  Speaker 1: bit later that day over something that she'd said at
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  Speaker 1: that press conference.
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  Speaker 3: What did you make of all of that?
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  Speaker 4: This is a cover up of a cover up, Katie.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, this entire management of this saga has been
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  Speaker 4: a pr exercise for her. She's clearly tried to paint
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  Speaker 4: on Sunday that you know, Jamie Chalk is left with,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you know what's entitled to him, only to
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  Speaker 4: have clearly been put under pressure by him or his
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  Speaker 4: legal team or somebody to say, hang on a second,
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  Speaker 4: that's not really true, and she's had to come out
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  Speaker 4: and sort of explain that what she actually meant was
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  Speaker 4: that essentially he did get a payout. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 4: extraordinary the lengths that she is willing to go to
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  Speaker 4: deceive the community, to cover up issues, to try and
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  Speaker 4: hide the truth and the financial figures. We've seen this
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  Speaker 4: with how she's handled Howard Springs. It is a clear
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  Speaker 4: pattern of behavior from a person who is supposed to
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  Speaker 4: be leading the territory transparently and with integrity.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm going to get to Howard Springs another debacle
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to those pods in just a couple
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  Speaker 1: of moments, but I do want to ask before I
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  Speaker 1: get there. We saw over the weekend more ram raids,
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately in the city, that attitude for men. You know,
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  Speaker 1: a really senseless ram raid that's occurred, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: serious damage as well to a beautiful building that they
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  Speaker 1: have invested a lot of money into. Now that's just
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  Speaker 1: one example of some of the crime that we've seen
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend. But I understand that the CLP is
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  Speaker 1: set to introduce some draft legislation on ram raids. What
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  Speaker 1: exactly are you planning on doing here?
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  Speaker 4: This is something we've been working on for a long time,
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  Speaker 4: and of course the CLP has been leading from our
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  Speaker 4: position when it comes to strengthening the laws and protecting
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  Speaker 4: our community, and this is another example of that. So
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  Speaker 4: I have instructed Parliamentary Council to create specific legislation here
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  Speaker 4: in the territory for people who engage in ram raids. Currently,
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  Speaker 4: there is no specific offense for doing a ram raid.
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  Speaker 4: There's offenses for stealing cars, there's offenses for robbery, but
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  Speaker 4: nothing for ram raids, and of course it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 4: if you're in Alice Springs, Tenant Creek.
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  Speaker 2: Catherine Palmerston, Darwin.
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  Speaker 4: Ram raids are just increasing in severity, they put people's
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  Speaker 4: lives and livelihoods at risk and we think there should
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  Speaker 4: be a separate offense for that, with a maximum penalty
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  Speaker 4: of fourteen years.
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  Speaker 3: So if somebody commits a ram raid, if.
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  Speaker 1: They are behind the wheel of a car, they ram
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  Speaker 1: raid a business, you reckon, they should get maximum fourteen years.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right about.
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  Speaker 4: The minimum minimum will be up to the courts, but
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  Speaker 4: we certainly are of the view that this needs to
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  Speaker 4: be a standalone offence. It also means that then that
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  Speaker 4: data will be captured as well and we can start
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  Speaker 4: to really clearly see, you know, what is.
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  Speaker 2: Going on with people using vehicles as weapons.
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  Speaker 4: That's on top of the fact that hopefully in the
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  Speaker 4: next two weeks in Parliament our bail legislation will actually
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  Speaker 4: be passed.
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  Speaker 2: We're calling on.
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  Speaker 4: Government to back in making it a starting point of
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  Speaker 4: no bow for any violent offender. We saw a tinkering
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  Speaker 4: with boil laws after the passing of DECKL and lavity
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  Speaker 4: by the government and it just did not go far enough.
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  Speaker 4: And so we're going to try and do the job
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  Speaker 4: that the government should have done a long time ago,
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  Speaker 4: and that's make sure that people who are violent offenders
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  Speaker 4: start with a position of no bail Leah.
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  Speaker 1: Last week you and I had spoken about the situation
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  Speaker 1: out at Howard Springs and the damage out there. Now
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  Speaker 1: we also heard an announcement by the Northern Territory Government
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  Speaker 1: that the Federal and Northern Territory governments will be implementing
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  Speaker 1: temporary emergency accommodation solutions to help the flood victims at Kalcarini,
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  Speaker 1: dug Ragu and Pigeonhole to return to country as the
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  Speaker 1: dry season commencements. Now. According to that statement released by
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Government last week, they had said that
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  Speaker 1: sixteen demountable pods were last week being installed for those residents'
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  Speaker 1: homes that required major repairs or complete replacement, with the
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  Speaker 1: first families already on site US Wednesday. So the pods
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  Speaker 1: were being installed on existing service lots, according to the government,
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  Speaker 1: but they were each costing around four hundred thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's an exceptional amount of money in terms of
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  Speaker 1: the cost of these pods. Now that announcement came out
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  Speaker 1: on Friday morning. By Saturday, I've been contacted to say
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  Speaker 1: that six of those pods had already been decommissioned in Dargaragu,
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  Speaker 1: So no sooner had they been installed, they were being decommissioned.
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  Speaker 1: So you're talking about all the services obviously being installed,
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  Speaker 1: those being transported out there, let alone the cost to
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  Speaker 1: actually purchase them in the first place, that is territory
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  Speaker 1: taxpayers dollars. Now, the government sees that the final flight
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  Speaker 1: affected houses in Dargaragu requiring repairs had been completed ahead
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  Speaker 1: of schedule, and that this is why six pods were
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  Speaker 1: being decommissioned, because they're now empty and the families which
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  Speaker 1: occupied the pods are now in homes which have been rectified.
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  Speaker 1: They continued by that the sixty commissioned pods are being
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  Speaker 1: considered for temporary emergency accommodation in Pigeonhole and future use.
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  Speaker 1: Two of those pods were utilized, four of them didn't
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  Speaker 1: even reach the point of being needed.
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  Speaker 3: The government sees two.
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  Speaker 1: Of the pods were utilized, the other four weren't needed
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  Speaker 1: as the homes of those families were restored deploying of
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  Speaker 1: this resource is now being used somewhere else. Lea, Do
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  Speaker 1: you think that that is a waste of taxpayers money
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  Speaker 1: or is it well spent getting those amountables out there
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  Speaker 1: connected and they're not used In the case of some
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  Speaker 1: of these pods.
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  Speaker 4: I think this shows just how disastrous and chaotic the
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  Speaker 4: Natasha Farle's government is. How can you waste millions of
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  Speaker 4: taxpayers dollars connecting houses I mean literally connecting them into
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  Speaker 4: power and water and then having to pick them, pack up,
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  Speaker 4: put them on the back of a truck and send
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  Speaker 4: them somewhere else, not realizing that the homes that needed
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  Speaker 4: to be fixed were fixed. I mean, it's been an
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  Speaker 4: extraordinary tale of incompetence way in which this flood evacuation
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  Speaker 4: has been handled. Of course we've seen extraordinary damage out
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  Speaker 4: at Howard Springs, but also the extraordinary lenks that Natasha
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  Speaker 4: files has gone to to cover it up. Even this morning, Katie,
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  Speaker 4: she continued to double down and try and make it
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  Speaker 4: sound like it was a very minimal damage. And now
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  Speaker 4: we've just got more and more money being poured down
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  Speaker 4: the drain because this government can't work out or coordinate
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  Speaker 4: the delivery of emergency housing for people.
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  Speaker 1: Or a step further and say that when the CELP
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  Speaker 1: was in power, I know that you guys got absolutely
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  Speaker 1: reamed over the fact that it poured a slab of
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  Speaker 1: concrete out at the hospital site, at the now Palmeston
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  Speaker 1: Hospital site, that then got covered up by dirt, and
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  Speaker 1: it was literally done only for a media event. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I would question why have these demountables been sent all
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  Speaker 1: the way out to a community connected then only to
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  Speaker 1: be decommissioned. We are not using monopoly money.
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  Speaker 4: Here, exactly. That's exactly right. We have a nine billion
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  Speaker 4: dollar debt. The budget is next tuesday. People can only
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  Speaker 4: has it a guess is that how horrific it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be. And this government continues to pour millions of
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  Speaker 4: dollars down the drain. And that's that's your money, listeners,
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  Speaker 4: that is your money.
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  Speaker 2: It is not her money. There is no money tree.
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  Speaker 4: And ultimately that means it's money not going into education,
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  Speaker 4: into health, into better roads, into service delivery, into our
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  Speaker 4: police force, into tackling crime, and any other area where
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  Speaker 4: you would be better of spending money than you are,
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  Speaker 4: just literally because you know, you are an incompetent government with.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what, She's been focused on other things.
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  Speaker 4: She's been focused on making sure she doesn't see her
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  Speaker 4: day in court and doesn't hit the witness stand because gosh,
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  Speaker 4: we could only imagine what would happen after that, Katium
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  Speaker 4: and this is a result of that.
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  Speaker 1: It is it's honestly, it is quite a debarkle. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where we go to from here, but
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  Speaker 1: what I do know is that people are utually fed
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  Speaker 1: up with the situation that we've got around crime.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they're fed.
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  Speaker 1: Up with the misuse of taxpayers dollars and we really
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  Speaker 1: just want, whether it's the COLP, the ALP, whoever is
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  Speaker 1: in power, to be open and transparentcy exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And this government came to power on that promise.
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  Speaker 4: But what we're seeing more than, even more than a
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  Speaker 4: lack of transparency, is a lack of integrity. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: this whole Howard Springs debarkle, the Jamie chalk or debarcle
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  Speaker 4: is really highlighting just how fun Natasha Files is willing
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  Speaker 4: to go to bend the truth to make sure that
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  Speaker 4: things never see the light of day to It's just
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  Speaker 4: been extraordinary.
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  Speaker 2: People are very very angry about it.
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  Speaker 4: It's symbolic of someone who is really more about politics
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  Speaker 4: than people and is really not caring about driving the
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  Speaker 4: territory forward, but caring about you know, her own protecting herself.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's just extraordinary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, before I let you go.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'm not sure whether this is correct or not,
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  Speaker 1: but I had read I think it was in the
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  Speaker 1: NT Independent that there was going to be a vote
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  Speaker 1: of no confidence against you by some branches of the
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  Speaker 1: COLP in Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 3: Is that correct? Did that happen?
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  Speaker 2: No, that hasn't happened.
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  Speaker 4: But ultimately, Katie, I'm focusing on the job. Territory are
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  Speaker 4: relying on me. They're relying on my parliamentary team to
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  Speaker 4: be holding this terrible labor government to account, to be
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: providing alternatives like we are with our bail reform and
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  Speaker 4: our ram raids legislation, and that's exactly what we will
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  Speaker 4: continue to do.
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  Speaker 3: Are you in a.
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  Speaker 1: Situation though, where there are branches of the CLP that
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: don't have confidence in you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure there are some individuals who you know, don't
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: support the decisions we make as a parliamentary team, But
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: ultimately that's a matter for them. Our doors are always
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: open come and chat to us about it. But we'd
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: rather focus on fighting labor than squabbling amongst ourselves and territories.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Expect us to do that as well. I mean the
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: internal massinations of the CLP should be something for meeting rooms,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: not public foras so you're not worried about it, no O, Katie,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: because there is too much to do. Crime is out
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: of control, our economy is in free for all, our
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: debt is through the roof, and people need us spending
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: every minute of our day fighting for them.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Leo, we better leave it there. Thank you as always
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  Speaker 1: for your time this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Take care,