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8/12/26: Major Wisconsin Elections, Trump National Emergency Before Midterms, Zohran Targets Wealthy NYers · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 4: We're going to recap of Wisconsin, Minnesota, we had other elections, Connecticuts,
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  Speaker 4: South Carolina, Wild night.
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  Speaker 5: Really wild night.
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  Speaker 6: Actually it looks like another myss for the polling industry,
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  Speaker 6: but we're going to break all of that down. Really
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  Speaker 6: interesting results to look at on the ground in Wisconsin, again,
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  Speaker 6: on the ground in Minnesota where the polling seemed.
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  Speaker 5: To be more accurate.
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  Speaker 6: So we kind of all over the map here and
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  Speaker 6: a lot a lot to go over, but I'll a
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  Speaker 6: lot of other news.
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump his solution to the polling errors is to
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  Speaker 4: just basically end voting and declare national security.
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  Speaker 6: Why not just neutralize the entire polling industry?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one fell swit getting rid of voting.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we have wild audio of Trump calling into a
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  Speaker 6: conservative show yesterday and flirting with the idea of a
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  Speaker 6: national emergency for election security. We'll bring you the audio
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  Speaker 4: as well as his thoughts on last night's elections.
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  Speaker 6: Let's get to Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 5: Great.
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  Speaker 6: Francesca Hong, a DSA candidate in Wisconsin who was on
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  Speaker 6: the show not too long ago, ended up losing.
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  Speaker 5: Right now, it is very close.
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  Speaker 6: The race as of right now has been called for
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  Speaker 6: David Crowley, but it's within a percentage point you see
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  Speaker 6: up on that screen. Thirty nine point eight percent for
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  Speaker 6: David Crowley, thirty nine point four percent for Francesca Hong,
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  Speaker 6: who was leading by double digits in the realcler Politics
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  Speaker 6: polling average, and many polls had her not just in
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  Speaker 6: double digits but easy double digits. Obviously, that race, similar
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  Speaker 6: to what we saw in Michigan, turned out to be
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  Speaker 6: much much closer.
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  Speaker 5: So polling miss.
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  Speaker 6: And we can get into some of the reasons that
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  Speaker 6: we might have seen a polling miss. Here was Francesca
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  Speaker 6: Hounk's opponent, David Crowley, who is now the Democratic nominee
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  Speaker 6: to be Wisconsin governor, talking about why he decided to
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  Speaker 6: resurrect his ca A Pain, got back into the race
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  Speaker 6: ends up winning.
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  Speaker 5: This is how he explained it.
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  Speaker 8: He said, no, we're not doing it. I get a
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  Speaker 8: phone call Wednesday night and they say we'll just sleep
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  Speaker 8: on it. And so actually, you know, you know, me
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  Speaker 8: and my wife pray, and my wife she said, you know,
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  Speaker 8: during the prayers, she said, God, I don't like.
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  Speaker 7: Subtletyes, so make it very obvious.
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  Speaker 8: And she actually asks to see like red burden, like
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  Speaker 8: was very specific, right, And so you know, Thursday come
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  Speaker 8: around and we're still getting phone calls. And now my
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  Speaker 8: wife is actually answering my phone and saying we're done.
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  Speaker 8: We're not doing this because if she's not there, I
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  Speaker 8: am absolutely not, you know.
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  Speaker 7: And so Friday, you know, but Thursday I was, I
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  Speaker 7: was uneasy.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't go to bed until like three o'clock Friday morning,
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  Speaker 8: and so I go to bed. Friday morning comes, my
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  Speaker 8: wife goes to work, takes the girls to day camp
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  Speaker 8: and everything, and I'm getting all these phone calls, but
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  Speaker 8: I am knocked out sleep, you know, because I had
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  Speaker 8: a late night.
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  Speaker 4: And so my wife, because you Milwaukee County executives could
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  Speaker 4: just sleep in on a Friday, and that's the.
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  Speaker 8: First time I just slept in in a long time.
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  Speaker 8: I will tell you that. But my wife is she
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  Speaker 8: does outreach. She actually works for organization called Community Advocates,
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  Speaker 8: helping people find rapid rehousing fine homes, working with the homelessness.
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  Speaker 8: And so she was actually setting up her outreached table.
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  Speaker 8: And as she's setting up her outreached table, what does
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  Speaker 8: she see. She sees the red bird that she had preaks,
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  Speaker 8: not even thinking about it. Not even two minutes later,
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  Speaker 8: she gets a phone call that is informing her about
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  Speaker 8: the lieutenant governor dropping out.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so Crowley also slaughing.
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  Speaker 6: Crowley has been talking about a venture capital on the
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  Speaker 6: campaign trail and the like, and the racially consolidated into
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  Speaker 6: a two person contest toward the final days, especially because
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  Speaker 6: Francesco Hong, who had gotten millions of dollars by in
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  Speaker 6: Republican spending. Interestingly enough, Republicans were kind of trying to
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  Speaker 6: boost Francesco Hong on this narrative that they were running
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  Speaker 6: ads saying she was too liberal for Wisconsin, thinking it
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  Speaker 6: would be like reverse psychology and Democratic voters would then
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  Speaker 6: support Hong, which was showing up in the polling. But obviously,
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  Speaker 6: as people started digging into her social media history, they
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  Speaker 6: found things like her anti Thanksgiving tweet, which she went
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  Speaker 6: on CNN to kind of defend.
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  Speaker 5: Recently, let's take.
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  Speaker 9: A look at a three you know, you've talked about
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  Speaker 9: your past positions that he keeps highlighting, and you know
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  Speaker 9: obviously likely would continue to do so before November, should
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  Speaker 9: you win. One thing that they brought up as well
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  Speaker 9: was a post from you in twenty twenty one where
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  Speaker 9: you said Americans should cancel Thanksgiving. Should have done this
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  Speaker 9: in sixteen twenty one. The post has been deleted, Republicans
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  Speaker 9: have been highlighting it. Do you still believe that Thanksgiving
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  Speaker 9: should be canceled.
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  Speaker 10: I'm a chef and one of the first meals that
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  Speaker 10: I made that was for the community when I was
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  Speaker 10: sixteen was a Thanksgiving meal.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 10: I always think my hospitality background in owning a restaurant
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  Speaker 10: for seven eight years, that bringing folks around the table
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  Speaker 10: to share conversation and build community is always a good thing.
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  Speaker 10: But Thanksgiving is all so a time that's incredibly painful
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  Speaker 10: for many people in our communities, and so I think
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  Speaker 10: there I wanted to make sure that people understood that
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  Speaker 10: there are multiple views, but views can evolve, and the
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  Speaker 10: position that I'm running for right now, and I think
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  Speaker 10: my background as a chef will actually help me become
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  Speaker 10: a better governor that's able to bring more people to the.
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  Speaker 9: Table, Francesca Honk, thank you for joining us. We have
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  Speaker 9: to have you back on depending on how things go
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  Speaker 9: next week.
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  Speaker 6: And your primary woke one was crazy, bad tweet, worse answer,
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  Speaker 6: but that maybe got the electability bug back into Democratic
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  Speaker 6: the infamous electability bug back into Democratic voters' minds, and
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  Speaker 6: people started consolidating around Crowley, who seems to have pulled
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  Speaker 6: it off. Although although Francesca hon did not spend a
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  Speaker 6: lot of money on traditional TV ads and was able
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  Speaker 6: to get within a hair of Crowley despite being a
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  Speaker 6: DSA candidate, actually probably because of being a DSA candidate
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  Speaker 6: with a fairly radical agenda in this political climate. So
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  Speaker 6: we're going to get into all of that. Just want
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  Speaker 6: to mention a couple of other quick election results. A
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  Speaker 6: four we can put Lindsay Graham's sister Darlene managed to
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  Speaker 6: win that primary pretty handily, thirty two point seven to
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  Speaker 6: twenty four point six against Ralph Norman. I think that
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  Speaker 6: goes yeah, that one's going to go to a runoff,
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  Speaker 6: so we'll see. And then John Larson lost in Connecticut,
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  Speaker 6: and we are also going to get into Peggy Flanagan's
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  Speaker 6: big victory over Angie Craig in Minnesota in just a bit,
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  Speaker 6: but we want to focus on Wisconsin and to do
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  Speaker 6: that we're joined by Brian Riisinger. Brian is a former
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  Speaker 6: GOP consultant and aid. He has a great book that
• 9:44
  Speaker 6: I really recommend if you're interested in family farming. It's
• 9:47
  Speaker 6: called Land Rich, Cash Poor, My Family's Hope and The
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  Speaker 6: Untold History of the Disappearing American Farmer. He is a
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  Speaker 6: working farmer as well. Brian, thanks so much for being here.
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  Speaker 11: Good to be with you, Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and so you're I mentioned a former consult but
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  Speaker 6: you're looking very closely at these numbers. You know the
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  Speaker 6: state of Wisconsin like the back of your hand, because
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  Speaker 6: you've been involved in many of these races, and you
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  Speaker 6: care particularly about rural voters, but you also look at
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  Speaker 6: what that means for suburban numbers. Democrats have made inroads
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  Speaker 6: in the infamous Wow counties. I shouldn't say infamous as
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  Speaker 6: somebody who's literally from one of the Wow counties. I
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  Speaker 6: guess infambusiness PETTYO where you're from. But anyway, all those
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  Speaker 6: to say, Brian, what is your quick reaction to Francesco
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  Speaker 6: Honk coming just so close despite the polling showing a
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  Speaker 6: double digit lead. You know.
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  Speaker 11: The first thing is just it's incredible to see the
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  Speaker 11: gap between someone's polling support and someone's actual voting support
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  Speaker 11: at the bottle box, and that casts a lot of
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  Speaker 11: pulling into question. And as someone who works at a
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  Speaker 11: firm also where we've got some bipartisan polling coming up,
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  Speaker 11: it's something that we think about deeply. How do you
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  Speaker 11: make sure that you're actually tapping into what you need
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  Speaker 11: to be tapping into. So there, I think there's gonna
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  Speaker 11: be some polling questions in Wisconsin politics. But the other
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  Speaker 11: thing is it just shows the degree to which some
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  Speaker 11: of this support that Hong has really wasn't real. It
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  Speaker 11: was people who would answer pole questions. That's not the
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  Speaker 11: fault of the pollsters. It was people who'd answer pole questions.
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  Speaker 11: It was people who would signal on social media, but
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  Speaker 11: it wasn't necessarily people who would turn out completely. She
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  Speaker 11: had a really strong base in Dane County, the major
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  Speaker 11: liberal base for the state, but the numbers were not
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  Speaker 11: as high as you might have expected them to be,
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  Speaker 11: and they weren't high enough to overcome her deficits and
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  Speaker 11: other parts of the state. So there was a lot
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  Speaker 11: of this support that you saw on the polls, that
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  Speaker 11: was sort of talk and not action on the behalf
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  Speaker 11: of supporters. Unfortunately for Hong, that's the way that it
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  Speaker 11: chook out. And so I think that was one of
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  Speaker 11: the biggest things is there's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 11: mirage there around just how much support she actually had
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  Speaker 11: when it came down to the ballot box.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not so sure about that. I mean, she still
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  Speaker 4: wound up almost at forty percent. You know, they both
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  Speaker 4: Crowley and Her close to you know, thirty eight thirty
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  Speaker 4: nine forty percent. I think it's I think it's very
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  Speaker 4: difficult to pull these multiple candidate races because voters are
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  Speaker 4: so strategic. It is the polling itself, ironically that then
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  Speaker 4: undermines the polling and what like. Because we don't have
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  Speaker 4: rank choice voting in Wisconsin, A voter has to go
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  Speaker 4: in and say, Okay, I might prefer this candidate, but
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  Speaker 4: also I oppose this candidate more than I prefer this candidate.
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  Speaker 4: Therefore I need to vote for this other candidate. And
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  Speaker 4: they're making those decisions by looking at the polling. Open
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  Speaker 4: primaries too way, and it's also an open primary, and
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  Speaker 4: so they're looking at the polling, and they're seeing some voters,
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  Speaker 4: they're seeing that Francesca Hong is up. They don't necessarily
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  Speaker 4: like Crowley, but they're seeing that Crowley is the closest competitor.
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  Speaker 4: So they're moving away from who they actually prefer, who
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  Speaker 4: they told the polster they prefer, and they're moving to
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  Speaker 4: Crowley because they oppose fran Aung.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just a very difficult thing to poll. Now
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  Speaker 1: into that.
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  Speaker 4: This is my theory on what happened in the last
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  Speaker 4: couple weeks of the race. But I'm curious for your
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  Speaker 4: reaction and make an exception read the comments on this one,
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  Speaker 4: because I'm curious for you know what, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: what the kind of the public feels about this one.
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  Speaker 4: I think the race focused way too much on culture
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  Speaker 4: stuff in the last couple of weeks. Even AOC you know,
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  Speaker 4: virally talking about you know, Wolf one is great, woke
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  Speaker 4: one was crazy. Like the kind of national conversation in
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  Speaker 4: the state conversation just became about culture war stuff. When
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  Speaker 4: democratic socialists have shown that they are most effective when
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  Speaker 4: they're talking about making your life better, you know, Abdula outside,
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  Speaker 4: when he's getting money out of politics, putting money in
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: your pocket and passing medicare for all like you. You
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  Speaker 4: don't have to live in Michigan to know, like, that's
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  Speaker 4: that's what he plans on doing. You know, anybody who's
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  Speaker 4: following politics casually could tell you what mom Donnie wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do as mayor. He was going to make the
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  Speaker 4: buses fast and free. He's going to do free childcare.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to freeze the rent. He's going to build
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  Speaker 4: these grocery stores like and nowhere in that do you
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  Speaker 4: hear discussion about culture, culture fights or the Thanksgiving and
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  Speaker 4: so and that isn't because mom done. He didn't have,
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  Speaker 4: you know, tweets that could have been brought up, and
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  Speaker 4: in fact he did. He had tons of them, and
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: people would constantly bring them up, but he would say
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  Speaker 4: that was then that's not what I'm focused on.
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  Speaker 1: That what I'm focused on Now.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to make the buses fast and free. I'm gonna, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he do, he'd do his thing. I'll do the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: In that answer, she didn't. She didn't kind of pivot
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  Speaker 4: towards the economy.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't.
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  Speaker 4: She didn't say no, of course, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 4: cancel Thanksgiving. She instead gave a kind of politician answer
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  Speaker 4: where she's like, well, you know, I would. It almost
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  Speaker 4: felt worse because it felt a little rehearsed, like she
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: had thought about what she was going to say. It's
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: one thing if you're off the cuff and you give
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  Speaker 4: a bad answer, it's it's almost worse if you've like
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: thought about it at a time and still have a
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  Speaker 4: bad answer. And so to say, you know, I'm a
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  Speaker 4: chef and I bring people in community and I and
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  Speaker 4: I love bringing you know, you love cooking meals for people,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, it's very painful people. I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of voters, even if they're like, yes, we get it,
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  Speaker 4: like it is certainly like we now understand our history.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone understands our history founded in genocide, and that is
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  Speaker 4: like definitively like connected to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yet everybody loves Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 4: It's like culturally action day drinking and football watching and
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  Speaker 4: eat and overeating like it's the It's like a whole
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: bunch of like of America's favorite things all combined into one.
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  Speaker 4: And so I think regular voters or Democrats looked at
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  Speaker 4: that and were like, Okay, that's going to get used
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  Speaker 4: against her, even if you know, I myself understand why
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  Speaker 4: she's saying it. I feel like now their pundit brain
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  Speaker 4: is kicking in. All these people are saying she's unelectable.
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  Speaker 4: I think they're right. She probably actually is, and so
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  Speaker 4: that that pushed more people to Crowley. But I'm curious,
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: as from from your perspective, if you think that analysis
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: works or what you think democratic socialists you can do
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: as they're kind of moving into this new phase of
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: their kind of rise in politics.
• 16:06
  Speaker 11: Well, there's no question that she was not on message
• 16:08
  Speaker 11: for those couple of weeks, and she was not doing
• 16:11
  Speaker 11: anything to get back on to talking to the economy,
• 16:13
  Speaker 11: and she was not doing anything to diffuse any the
• 16:15
  Speaker 11: issues she had on cultural things or tweets that she had,
• 16:18
  Speaker 11: et cetera. There's no question about that. I think the
• 16:21
  Speaker 11: reality situation is that she had an opportunity that was
• 16:26
  Speaker 11: a challenge for Crowley, and that would have been an
• 16:27
  Speaker 11: interesting dynamic for Republicans to tap into working class voters,
• 16:31
  Speaker 11: and she really didn't do that. I think part of
• 16:32
  Speaker 11: the reason for that is she was really a Madison
• 16:34
  Speaker 11: candidate specifically and only, and so you know what she
• 16:37
  Speaker 11: needed to do in the primary election. She either needed
• 16:41
  Speaker 11: to run up the score in Dane County with a
• 16:42
  Speaker 11: much higher number than she had, which the polling showed
• 16:45
  Speaker 11: she could potentially do, and she had the momentum to do,
• 16:47
  Speaker 11: but she didn't have the actual voting support to do
• 16:50
  Speaker 11: or she needed be able to get into a position
• 16:52
  Speaker 11: where other parts of the state could see her as electable,
• 16:54
  Speaker 11: and she never got there. And so some of that
• 16:57
  Speaker 11: support that she had was folks who were excited about
• 17:00
  Speaker 11: her but didn't come out and vote because she needed
• 17:02
  Speaker 11: higher number in Dane County or she needed better numbers
• 17:04
  Speaker 11: in other parts of the state. She didn't get either
• 17:05
  Speaker 11: of those things, even though she had a good Dane
• 17:07
  Speaker 11: County number.
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: Wow, I'm looking at it right now, Brian, she was
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: in danger. She's only had forty four percent, didn't even
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: hit fifty percent, and she is just from Madison.
• 17:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, she ought to have had a higher number there.
• 17:17
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's not to say that like her support cratered.
• 17:19
  Speaker 11: I'm not saying that, but she ought to have a
• 17:20
  Speaker 11: higher number there if she wasn't going to be in
• 17:22
  Speaker 11: a position to do better in other parts of state.
• 17:24
  Speaker 11: She had to put kind of all her chips on Madison,
• 17:26
  Speaker 11: and she came out with like decent winnings there.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: Not the whole jackpot lost Milwaukee County as well.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: There's also an interesting comparison between what happened to Wisconsin
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: and we're going to get into Minnesota in a little bit.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: In Minnesota, Peggy Flann again the Senate candidate there, had
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: the support of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. AOC actually
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: didn't get into that race, but did not have DSA.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Over in Wisconsin, you have DSA, which should be strong
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: in Madison, but you did not have AOC Bernie Sanders
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: with Warren, you you didn't.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Have all of the candidate.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: It's you know who went say to Detroit to support
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Donovan McKinney and had been had been traveling around the
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: country to support uh what you know, they supported abdul elsaiad.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: They did not go to Wisconsin. And I've seen some
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: on the left saying, I think Nathan Robinson made this point,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: saying this is a huge missed opportunity the left, the
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: left blew it here. If they if they had supported Hong,
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: she would have won. And I think that's probably true.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Like a Sanders AOC rally in Madison probably does kind
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: of boost those numbers. Higher and high enough that in
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: a in a contest that she's losing by half a
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: point is enough to win. But I think, and I
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: suspect from Sander's AOC's perspective, that's a problem, the fact
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: that they could have boosted her.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think they wanted her to win.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: I think they were worried about the way that her
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: campaign would then be weaponized against other campaigns. I don't
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: think they would admit that out loud, right, But I
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: think it wasn't that they thought their support wouldn't be
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: enough to get her over the top. It was that
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: they were afraid that it would be enough to get
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: her over the top, and they didn't want her there necessarily.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: From from the Republican perspective, there was some there was
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: a leak of a memo to Clippen Seine saying like
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: they're actually really afraid of her. They think that she's
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: a kind of a secret sleeper like candidate who can
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: you know, rally the kind of independent voters to her cause,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: particularly because Data center opposition.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that was the case, though.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: What do you think what did Republicans really think about
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: whether or not they could beat her.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: I was gonna say, and they put millions of dollars. Brian,
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: you saw this. Republican packs were spending millions of dollars
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: to boost her just as her surge started. I went
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: back and looked at the dates and the polling surge
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: coincides when Republicans decided to run this campaign saying she's
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: too liberal for Wisconsin, hoping that it would it would
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: boost her with leftist voters.
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: You know, Republicans were looking their chops to against Frantsta Hung.
• 20:01
  Speaker 11: I don't think there's any question about that. The reality
• 20:03
  Speaker 11: is that Wisconsin is a really interesting state to be
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: looking at, not just because it's the tightest state in
• 20:07
  Speaker 11: the country, but because it really does have a deep,
• 20:10
  Speaker 11: deep history of working class politics, which is to say,
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: the GOP, particularly the Trump era, has been shifting in
• 20:15
  Speaker 11: direction of trying to work and scoop up those working
• 20:17
  Speaker 11: class voters that been doing good job. It's part of
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: what has solidified their rural base. But Democrats have in
• 20:22
  Speaker 11: many ways had a long history of working class politics,
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: the union history, all of that. It wasn't all that
• 20:27
  Speaker 11: long ago that rural areas that are the Republican base
• 20:30
  Speaker 11: were at times voting for a blue collar Democrat were
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: more competitive, So you know, on paper, there was potentially
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: an opportunity for someone who's going to come in and
• 20:37
  Speaker 11: focus on that working class economic populism from the left
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: to try to make something happen. But hung really wasn't
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: that candidate, and her candisy ended up really being kind
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: of more of like a Berkeley esque Madison type candidacy
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: that the Republicans were working really hard to define as
• 20:53
  Speaker 11: super extreme and they were going to do that in
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: a bigger way. And I think Ryan, to your point,
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: she wasn't focusing on the economic issues that might have
• 20:59
  Speaker 11: tried to hap into that economic populism on deeper levels.
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: So you know, now where we go is we were
• 21:05
  Speaker 11: going to have this kind of really interesting test of like, okay,
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: is you know, Trump aligned strong conservative Tom Tiffany going
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: to be able to continue to tap into the working
• 21:12
  Speaker 11: class vote, maximize the rural vote way he needs to
• 21:14
  Speaker 11: do all that stuff, while Hong tries to kind of
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: change that around because the reality is that there are
• 21:20
  Speaker 11: folks who thought about voting for Bernie Sanders before they
• 21:22
  Speaker 11: voted for Donald Trump. There are ticket voters like that
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: in Wisconsin. But we're not going to get to see
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: whether she was that person, because she wasn't enough of
• 21:29
  Speaker 11: that candidate even get through the Democratic primary. So now
• 21:31
  Speaker 11: we're gonna have a little more of a conventional lineup.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: I would have loved to have seen that, honestly, because
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: I'm looking at some of these results and maybe we
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: can put them up on the screen in post. She
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: got trounced in many rural counties by David Crowley, which
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: is interesting because he's from Milwaukee County, which is not
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: Also like you know, Milwaukee and Madison.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: That's where everybody, like in rural county.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Is laughing at it, like, oh, you're from Milwaukee, You're
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: from Madison. But you know she it looks like she's
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: did okay in Marathon County, makes sense with Wassaw up there,
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: but Oneida, Lincoln Marinette, I mean, she lost. He had
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: forty six percent to her twenty eight percent. And in
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: the primary and the general, Brian, I know you have
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: a great focus on role voters. He won the Wow
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: counties also, which is worth pointing out. But in the
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: primary and the general, it's a tough environment for Republicans
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: going forward. I mentioned you're a working farmer, rural voters
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: do not want data centers, at least in Wisconsin. That's
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: my read on it. You can correct me if I'm wrong,
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: but she was running against data centers. Things with fertilizer
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: diesel prices. Like there's a real squeeze in rural Wisconsin
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: right now that Tom Tiffany is certainly going to have
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: to deal with that, the Republicans are going to have
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: to deal with across the country. I think Ran we're
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: going to talk about Kansas as well. So can you
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: talk to us a bit about the role versus suburban
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: dynamics in Wisconsin because they actually might be more broadly
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: applicable across the country.
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, this is something that I'm looking really closely at.
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: When we have our Bipowerisan Badger Battleground pool come out
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: at the firm where I work, platform commuteits, we're in
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: the full field actually right now to try to get
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: a sense of where this stuff's going to shake out.
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: And as you said, you know, give my background and
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: my focus on writing about roal voters, it's I think
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: about a lot the farm where I grew up, where
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: my dad is still farming and my sisters. We're going
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: to take it over taking a huge hit around diesel prices.
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: Farms like ours are dealing with that on top of
• 23:17
  Speaker 11: gas prices, all families are dealing with, on top of
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: fertilizer prices, all kinds of issues. And what it really
• 23:22
  Speaker 11: ties back to is look the economic anks. And this
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: is where Ryan's point is really important. The economic angst
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: and frustration that voters feel in general is particularly strong
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: with rold voters. They've been losing farms that are rate
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: of forty five thousand a year for a century, forty
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: five thousand a year for one hundred years, right, So
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: that means that we've had an economic core slipping away.
• 23:40
  Speaker 11: We've had community shrinking as people leave, We've had jobs
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: disappearing as the rost belt thing hit on top of
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: all that. So when you talk about the economy and
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: its ups and downs, rural voters have been dealing with
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: an economy that is essentially declining, even when unemployment in
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: the stock market are going in the right direction. So
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: those economic issues and being able to talk about how
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: you're going to address that from the left or the
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: right is crucial. And so these ural voters are going
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: to be more important than ever now because we have
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: a situation where Tom Tiffany is going to have to
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: figure out how much can he maximize that real vote.
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: Certainly he's going to work to into the suburbs get
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: some of that Republican support that they used to have
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: years ago.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: That's going to be tough, Brian, It's.
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: Going to be harder. And I think that the reality
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: is that Hong created a really big ripe opening, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: it's going to be a situation where maybe Republicans can say, hey,
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: let's do our rural voter base, and let's also work
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: our way back into those suburbs a little bit because
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: hon created such an opening.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Because the culture warkstuff can kind of neutralize the in
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: roads because you have like independent, kept swing, affluent, educated
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: swing voters who say, ah, the prices are too high.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: I don't like Trump, but I'm not so sure about
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: this whole like weird, I don't I didn't shave my
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: legs today tweets that Hong has been putting out over
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: the last ten years.
• 24:56
  Speaker 11: They might vote for a conventional Democrat, but they're not
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: going to cancel Thanksgiving, right, They're not going to stop
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: drinking beer in late November. And so the reality is
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: that that was a big opening for Republicans.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: The flip side is that Crowley has spent a decent
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: amount of the primary trying to demonstrate that there wasn't
• 25:12
  Speaker 11: a lot of difference between him and Hong on a
• 25:14
  Speaker 11: policy level. So the Republicans are going to be jumping
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: all over that. And his challenge is going to be
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: put together that traditional suburban urban Democratic coalition and show
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: that he's more of a mainline Democrat. And the Republican
• 25:24
  Speaker 11: challenge is going to be, how do they try to
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: force him to look as extreme as Hong was and
• 25:28
  Speaker 11: run up the scoreboard in rural Wisconsin. That roal vote
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: is ever more crucial now because Hong didn't make it through.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And so let me ask you about Kansas while i've
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: got you.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: So the Democratic super pac, the Democratic Senate Superpacked, conducted
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: a poll in Kansas, which they told me startled them
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: when they cut the results back, and so they've shared
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: they've shared that with US. Roger Marshall, incumbent Republican senator,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: polling at forty six percent. And this is before kind
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: of the favorables and all the different things are said
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: to the voters about them. Just a straight up head
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: to head Roger Marshall forty six percent. Adam Hamilton is
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: a megachurch pastor who's running against the Iran war and
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Trump's tariffs at forty five percent, So head to head
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: after the primaries, Marshall and Hamilton locked in basically a
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: statistical tie in Kansas. Kansas often shocks the country in
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: the way that it votes when it comes to constitutional amendments.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: You know, anti anti voters are generally across the board
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: kind of anti corruption, pro pro liberty, whether whether it's
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: you know, whether abortion rights or other kind of libertarian
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: kind of issues in Kansas, So it kind of confounds
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: the typical partisan dynamics.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think of this?
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Before this I could I'm not even sure I could
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: tell you who was running on the Democratic side in Kansas,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: but now down by one point, like it does a mirage?
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Or do you think that the current environment, given what
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: you were saying about fertilizer prices, farm collapse. Kansas is
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: a manufacturing state. If the tariffs were working, running against
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: tariffs would not be working for Adam Hamilton. Why do
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: you think it's this close and do you think this
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: is a mirage or is this a serious race?
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: Now it's a great question. I mean, every state is
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: always a unique political animally, you right, the Kansas has
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: some unique attributes, dis Wisconsin, a lot of the battleground states,
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: they're all unique in one way or another. Candis is
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: for sure. But I think it's a reflection of the
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: tough midterm environment and there's no question about that. And
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: any Republicans who aren't looking at the environment and knowing
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: that they're going to have to be running uphill are
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: not being realistic with themselves. And any Democrats are looking
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: at this and thinking that they're going to seize the mantle,
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: they've got to understand that the mantle to seize is
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: around economic issues. This midterm election is going to turn
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: on those economic issues. The rural voters are going to
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: either power GOP victories or mitigate their losses, or the
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: royal voters are going to stay home and allow Democrats
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: to have a bigger chance and said having a bigger win.
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: They're all going to be animated by these economic issues.
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: And that's why I think the point about you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 11: who's focusing on those economic issues is crucial. You know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: whether you have a democratic socialist or a more conventional Democrat.
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: Are they coming out and seizing that economic message in
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: an effective way that actually connects with voters they've lost
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: a lot of connection with or on the other hand,
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: the GOP tying their message that has traditionally resonated with,
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: you know, actual policy changing about what they're going to
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: do about this economic reality. You don't control everything about
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: what's going on in the economy. That's what's hard about it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: All.
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: These politicians are always trying to claim the upside and
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: run away from the downside.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: But you control tariffs if you're Republicans.
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: Yeah, well, and you know you've got a variety of
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: things that are creating economic strains right now that you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: both parties have figured how they're going to grapple with
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: by fall.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: The final question for you, Brian is just what if
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: farming communities want to hear from candidates this fall?
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I think farm communities want to hear what are
• 28:51
  Speaker 11: you going to do to change the economic status quo?
• 28:53
  Speaker 11: What are we going to check this up? And it
• 28:54
  Speaker 11: not only means addressing high cost it does mean that
• 28:57
  Speaker 11: what are you going to do address high costs? Whether
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: they're fueled by what's going on there ran trade, disputes
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: or just general inflation from years past, whatever it was.
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: They want to hear what you're going to be doing
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: to adjust those issues. But it also has to be
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: on a deeper level. It can't just be yep, structural.
• 29:10
  Speaker 11: It's not only those costs that is a flash point.
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: But remember, these are families that have been seeing economic
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: decline for decades. When we look around and say, hey,
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: the unemployment rates looking good, stock markets looking good, feel
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: people are feeling good. People in real areas aren't feeling that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: They're saying, what in the hell were the good years?
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: You know, So it's got a deeper, more structural message
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: about the economy for either party to make inroads.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Oh, Brian Riisinger, everyone go please check out his book, Brian.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Where can people pick it up?
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah? Absolutely. You can find land Rige cash por on
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: Amazon anywhere else you buy books online. It's also in
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: bookstores nationwide. And I just appreciate anybody who wants to
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: take a look at what's going on with our rural
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: communities and figure out a way to get in the
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: conversation from all different political viewpoints and figure out what
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: to do about it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: Thanks so much, Brian, appreciate it, thanks.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Moving over to Minnesota, Angie Craig absolutely annihilated her race
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: against Lieutenant over Peggy Flanagan, looking at a twenty point loss.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Craig throughout her career has had the support of a pack.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: She kind of distanced her, tried to publicly distance herself
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: a little bit from a PAC in this race, told
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: them not to be so outwardly aggressive in their support.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: APAC did organize a ton of behind the scenes fundraisers
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: for her, and she also got tens of millions of
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: dollars in dark money from this group called Center Forward.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: We don't know where that came from a lot of
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: us C four. We may never find out where that
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: money came from. Turns out it didn't matter the progressive
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Peggy Flanagan, who had the support of Elizabeth Warren.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: First, Warren was.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: First out of the gate to get behind her, and
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: then Bernie Sanders just kind of blowing Angie Craig out,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: even as interestingly, polls were showing she had Polls were
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: showing that Flannagan had a lead coming into the final weeks,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: but then the polls shifted and the right before the election,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: the most recent polls had Craig actually up a point
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: or two.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: We can put up a seven as well.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: If you guys watched the Friday Show, you know Matt Little,
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Matt Little, progressive candidate trying to replace Angie Craig in
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Minnesota's second district, ends up trouncing his his a packed
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: back opponent, Matt Klein, as well as another candidate, Caleb Berg,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: who finished a distant third in this race. That's despite
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: you know, millions of dollars you know, spent either against
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: uh Little or for Matthew Klein in that in that race. This,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: you know, this, this result matches the polls that we
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: talked about from last May. And if you go back
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: and watch that segment, there were internal polls that Little
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: had released in May. Then millions and millions of dollars
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: were spent try to change that result, and after several
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: months of that seven million dollars getting burned, it's the
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: exact same result.
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: This is a drop site piece that you you and
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Julian broke down some of the convoluted.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Money money was spent in say, it's so interesting all
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: these weird.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Packs that a pack has sometimes used passed throughs as
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: pass throughs, but also then some major ones. Emily's list
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: went very hard for for Berg, the third place candidate.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Emily's List has taken significant amounts of money from DMFI
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: and and a PACK, and I think I think those
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: groups going forward, and so has three fourteen Action, they
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: will say, well, this in this particular race, this is
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: not a PAC money trust us. We're using the a
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: PAC money and other races, and I think that in
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: future cycles that's just not going to fly. Like you
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: can't take a pack money and not be then associated
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: with a pack in every race that you participate in.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not here to give advice to Emily's List or
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: elect Democratic Women or or three fourteen Action or any
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: of these packs.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: You're going to do it anyway.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling I'm just telling you facts. This is
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: not advice.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: So if you're fine with the association with APAK and
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: you don't think it's an electoral liability, go ahead and
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: keep taking that APAC money. If you think it might
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: be an electoral liability, well.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: They obviously think it's going to be an electoral liability
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: because they're using pastors.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And they're hiding it. Yeah, exactly.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: So anyway, Minnesota got so little attention. It was very
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: interesting compared to Maine, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's it was.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: It was a very similar race, you know, left versus
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: corporate center, and the left one by twenty points.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: So I Flanning and maybe benefited from that in the end.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Like you can't like, maybe if they did fifty million
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: instead of twenty million or whatever ungodly amount they spent.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It helped her get through.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: But either way, it's another kind of vote in the
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: progressive block in the in the Senate, which is you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: shifting significantly right.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: And that's actually a very interesting point the composition of
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: the Senate, what they might be able to accomplish if
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: they're able to band together and vote as.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: A block, and probably another vote for Chris van Holland
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: or some progressive challenge to Chuck Schumer.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: Wow, Okay, And so Flannagan, by the ways, she's not DSA.
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: She was Bernie Back, but she's DFL. She would we
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: would expect her to have a very like democratic socialist
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: policy agenda.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she's going to be.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: She'll she'll be heavily in the Troy Jackson, Elizabeth Warren
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders. Abdul elsayad like, you're going to have a
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: substantial number of progressive senators and she'll be populist progressive
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: senators and she's going to be one of them.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: And also, I think makes the narrative about Francesca Hung
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: much less clean, that this is a total rebuke of
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: democratic socialism. Again, Flannagan dfl but she's very like, she's
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: pretty far left.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: It's very as we recall when she came on the show,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: she said she's a fan of We've got people.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: She's reading Ryan Gram.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: So I mean, that's bad news for the Senate establishment
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: if you've got we've got people readers coming into the
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: coming into the Senate for badness.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: So for you, Wow, it's such as such interesting results
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: in the Kansas pool that we talked about earlier in
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: this block two, so interesting, Mike Lindell, I suppose we
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: should mention is refusing.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: To conceived shockingly he was running for governor, was.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: Running for governor.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Looks like he just didn't didn't make it, didn't really
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: come close to making it.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: Seems like he got a third of Minnesota Republican primary
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: voters to support him. So not not a total embarrassment.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: I'm sure.
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: Well, he left Lindell TV to focus on the gubernatorial run.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: That's why, then Dell TV has suffered lately. I've noticed
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: it's the quality was programming.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: We're saying that. Actually last week you said Lindell.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: TV is slipping, not what it's been.
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I should have mentioned that's what it was.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: So I'm glad that Lindell will be back at the
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: wheel of Lyndell TV.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: Some good news, yes, silver lining.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: The billows are getting a little bit lumpier, assuming he.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Doesn't get to the bottom of some widespread frauds.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: True, he was, it was he. I'm sure he was robbed.
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: All right, let's get on to the next black Donald
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: Trump telling a actually a.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Lyndell TV host.
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: Now that you mentioned this is a perfect transition what
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: he might do about our elections. Trump showed up on
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: the talk show of a MAGA host, Wayne Allen Root,
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: and here's what happened, because just you're gonna want to
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: pay attention to what the host says and then how
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: Trump responds. They were talking about potentially a national security
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: emergency for elections.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Let's listen.
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: Let me put an idea in your head, okay, because
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: it's so hard to get the Senate to do anything.
• 36:59
  Speaker 12: Now they're on Reese. They don't get anything done if
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: they never get to Save America Act done. You have
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: the right to declare a national security emergency for elections,
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: and the Supreme Court ruled in nineteen eighty three under
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: Reagan that I in s Versus Shata, that if you
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: declare a national security emergency as the president of the
• 37:20
  Speaker 12: United States, they can't challenge it. It can only be
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: overturned by a two thirds vote of both houses of Congress.
• 37:28
  Speaker 12: So if you do this in the next month, we
• 37:31
  Speaker 12: will get photo ID proof of citizenship and a.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: Limit to mail in ballots. And you.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: All right, We'll leave it at that. So what did
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Trump say?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he kind of mumbled a little bit there.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: So the host goes on this extended monologue, using his
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: precious time with the leader of the free world.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: It's important to get into the details of the ions
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: case from nineteen eighty three.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: So Trump says, let me just say, stranger things have happened.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: I'll leave it at that.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: After this guy launches into again a monologue on.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: How you can declare I'm an emergency and strict.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: Voting right, which again it may sound like just Trump
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: chopping it up with a Banana's Las Vegas talk show
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: host on Lindell TV.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: I think this one is like cast.
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: It's a simulcast on Real America's voice in Lindell TV,
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: to be fair, but that maybe what it sounds like.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: But we don't love glossing over the leader of the
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: free world saying let me just say, stranger things have happened.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: I'll leave it at that.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: So again, the Wayne Allen Root plan was, if you
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: do this next month, we will get photo ID proof
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: of citizenship and a limit to mail in ballots. Now,
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: of course, one of the big problems that Republicans have
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: with the Save America Act is that it's an injection,
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: or it's it's a seizure of federal power over elections
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: that some conservatives are uncomfortable with because of the federalist
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: system that conservatives have long life. I actually disagree with
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: some of those criticisms, but we don't get into it
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: just to say that would be if you have a
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: national emergency declared for elections and Trump says, let me say,
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: stranger things have happened.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: I leave it at that.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: Within the next month. What that does to the federal
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: control of elections. I don't know that you put that
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: toothpaste back in the tube, right Like, Once you've done that,
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: it's very hard to undo that because Democrats then come
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: in and say, well, you used this power. Will use
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: this power at some point too, because you did it.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: So that's a pretty big red flag.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, red flags are I think waving pretty proudly. We're
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: numb to them at this point.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: On the other hand, I don't think Trump has ever
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: in his life as a politician shot down an idea,
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: like any idea that the media has put to him,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: whether it's right wing media or the kind of establishment
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: media in the White House saying like, you know, do
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: you think you might you know, bomb Moscow? Or do
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: you think you might bomb keef Right, He's like a
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: stranger things have happened. He hates I mean, I'm exaggerating
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: a little bit there, but he hates taking anything off
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: the table. He I think he feels like it makes
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: him look weak. However, he has been obsessed with controlling elections.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: Yes, he said so, this is many years USA. Today's
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: rite up of his response to root there is to
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: connect it to comments that he made back in February,
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: which again it's easy to get none to the things
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: that he says, to your point, but he said back
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: then to Dan Bongino, the Republicans should say we want
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: to take over, we should take over the voting in
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: at least many fifteen places, the Republicans ought to nationalize
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: the voting. We have states that are so crooked. So
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: could that just look like him giving another big primetime
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: dot of a speech about it.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: I guess possibly.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: But you can't be numb to it, because he is clearly,
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: to your point, obsessed with this question of what he
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: can do if his legislation stalling in Congress to make
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: something happen.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Now, what the states would do is another question.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: So let's say he declares this emergency. He's going to
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: target obviously Pennsylvania, well, California, because there's some you know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: tight races there, Michigan, Wisconsin. I mean there are there
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: are tight races all over the country for the House,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: but also got some tight ones for the Senate.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: So he but North.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Carolina, like the governor is running for Senate, Like there
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: are a lot of a lot of these states where
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: he's going to try to bend them to his will.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: He has already because they have it because if they
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: are already controlled by Republicans completely, he has already bent
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: the districts so far to his well that there's no
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: point in monkeying with the voting because you've already made
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: voting basically irrelevant in those states, Like this outcome is
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: going to be what it's going to be, you know,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: whether it's Alabama or whatever else.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Now, taxes could be interesting.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: That's one place where you can imagine a tightening of
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: voting influencing the Senate race and also some House races
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: that could be close.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: And obviously, right now they have this problem that they
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: somehow dealt with in twenty twenty four. But after twenty twenty,
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: Republican voters were disillusioned and a lot of people were
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: just not showing up or just saying, I don't think
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: my vote is going to count because of what Trump
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: was saying about the twenty twenty election, And so they're
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: obviously very concerned about that as well, Like do Republicans
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: even turn out to vote when you're telling them that
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: everything is crooked and the system is rigged to prevent
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: their votes from counting?
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: As people expect them to.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: So it's a political problem for Republicans as well. And
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: so for Trump to another thing kind of reading into
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: his response, for him to say, let's let me just
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: leave it at that, the indication or the implication seems
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: to be he's got something cooking.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: When you're saying let's just let's just leave.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: It, that's what he's suggesting. Yeah.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: Now, pro Publica has a big new report about Trump's
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: mortgage fraud investigations, which is quite an interesting, quite an
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: interesting investigation. The headline here is Trump's owned mortgages match
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: his description of mortgage fraud records reveal so, they write,
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: the Trump administration has argued that Ford Fed board member
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: Lisa Cook may have committed mortgage fraud by declaring more
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: than one primary residence on her loans. We found Trump
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: once did the very same thing. He called deceitful and
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: potentially criminal, they write. In nineteen ninety three, Trump signed
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: a mortgage for a Bermuda style home in Palm Beach, Florida,
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: pledging that it would be his principal residence. Just seven
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: weeks later, he got another mortgage for his seventh bedroom,
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: marble floored neighboring property, attesting.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: That it too would be his principal residence.
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: Again, that is exactly what he has accused Lisa Cook
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: of doing on the Who's on the Fed. But that's
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: what he's accused her of doing. There's some good evidence
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: that Lisa Cook did that, but obviously it's a weaponized
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: attack on Lisa Cook.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: And he went after Tiss James.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: That one completely fell apart because she was honest about
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: it the entire time. It seems like but yeah, like
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: now it's nineteen ninety three when they have Trump bussed here.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: But it is kind of comical propablasa outside the statue
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: of limitations.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: Propoca has receipts from media because Trump's real estate agents
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: told the Miami Herald at the time that he had
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: quote hired an expensive New York design firm to dress
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: them up to the nines and lease them out annually.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: And he's declaring this accedents. Well, his real estate agents
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: is saying this. In an interview Shirley Weiner, Pro Publica reports,
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: the late real estate agent's wife and business partner, who
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: was herself later the rental agent for the two properties,
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: told Pro Publica they were rentals from the beginning, that is,
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: the wife and business partner of the real estate agents.
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: Of the real estate agent. They were rental properties for
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: the beginning. President Trump never lived there, which is different
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: from Lisa Cook. Yes, she turned it into a rental
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: I think for a family member, but in Trump's case,
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: he literally never lived there.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: The idea is that you are less likely to default
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: on a mortgage if you're living in it. Then if
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: it's a rental property, which makes perfect sense, and so
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: because you're less likely to default, you get a lower
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: interest rate. So Trump, illegally, you know, through a con
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: got a lower interest rate for these ortgages.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: It's something that rich people do. Yeah, it's somebody.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: If you can afford a second house, and you don't
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: have any scruples, you can you can go ahead.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: And do that.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Now, my only pushback would be if you are a
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: bank and you're lending money in the nineties to Donald Trump,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: I have no pity for you. Yeah, like you're the
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: chance Apparently that he repaid these loans.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: Yes, that's right, publish because they report that the loans
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: have been paid off.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Highly unusual circumstance here Trump actually paying a debt.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, so it worked out for the.
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: Banks, and they say it's also well outside the Statute
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: of Limitations for mortgage frauds, so it's not actionable. But
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: it's a great example, like a textbook example of exactly
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: what they're trying to get Lisa Cook for.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: Right, And you know, all of us who really thought
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: that Trump was more of an upstanding public figure, yeah,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: are going to be.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: They're going to be disappointed. Here. Never meet your heroes.
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: But I don't think Trump would like he himself. What
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: did he say in twenty sixteen? He was like, I
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: know the system, I alone can fix it. That's a paraphrase.
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: But I don't know that He would be terribly offended
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: if people brought this up, because we all know what
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: he's doing with Lisa Cook, and it's a raw exertion
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: of political will, which is potentially what he could be
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: plotting with the election system as well. He's very frustrated
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: about the Save America Act. He's very frustrated about the
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: Iran war obviously, so in some sense it's potentially a
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: dangerous time.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: What we really need to do is take these billionaires
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: money away from them, and that's what we can talk
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: about next. The Pieta tear tax in New York City
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: is under attack by the New York Times, Donald Trump
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: and a Staten Island judge. President Donald Trump is lashing
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: out at Thornymom Donnie's Pieta tear tax after a court ruling.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Let's put up c one here.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Here's Trump on truth social the New York City Pieta
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: tear taxes costing New York City and state a fortune
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: in that the money We're going to figure out how
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: he does his math. Here is Trump math that the
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: money eventually to be gotten is very little compared to
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: the taxes paid by the tens of thousands of people
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: who are fleeing the city never's return.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, I get it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Florida, Texas and numerous other states are making an absolute fortune.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: This dangerous political experiment in New York will destroy what
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: was once a great city and state. It's pure amateur hour,
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: and it's hard, as President United States America to sit
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: back and watch it happen, especially to a place I
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: once loved. Financial and then social ruin is a one
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: hundred percent certainty. And then the radical left jihattest charged
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: congestion pricing on top of everything else, we know that
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: congestion pricing is definitely part of Sharia law. This doesn't
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: work in America and must be stopped now. I am
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: looking to see if the federal government has any legal
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: right to avert this disaster before it is too late
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: for the millions of people who cherish New York and
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: want to see it thrive as opposed to becoming a
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: filthy crime, bread, decrepit place of mockery and scorn. Make
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: America great again, President dj T. So this is this
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: is this is coming as the New York Times and
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: a Staten Island judge are launching it as well as
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: well as a bunch of very very rich people in
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: New York City are launching a collective campaign together.
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  Speaker 1: We put up C two.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: The New York Times has been kind of crusading against
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  Speaker 4: this policy.
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  Speaker 1: This is maybe a week and a half ago.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: Roll out of New York City's second home tax is
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: confusing some residents. So some residents that own very expensive
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: homes and don't live in them got letters suggesting that
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: they might have a slightly higher tax bill, and that
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: was very confusing to them.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: Although some people who did live in the homes, some
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: people that did live in the hotter.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, send a selfie from the home. You're good.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Just tag mom Donnie on social media. We know, we
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: know how to solve your problems with the city. Like
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: this shouldn't be confusing. It doesn't certainly does not deserve
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: a New York Times headline. New York Times celebrated again.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: But we can put up C four here when a
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: judge is ruling on second home tax deal temp deals,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: temporary setback to Mom Donnie. That's actually a headline that
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: they had to edit because they they first when this
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: when this Staten Island judge paused the order, they were like,
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: boom win, you know, major win, we can it was
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: it was kind of a celebratory like, ha, this pied
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: terret te is on hold now, only for the mayor
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: then to appeal the ruling, which automatically had it going
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: forward again. And it's like, oh, this was just a
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: very minor speed bump from this Staten Island judge. Now
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: here's what's fascinating. The attorney who is leading the charge
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: for these super wealthy homeowners as a former deputy mayor
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: under Eric Adams himself, like put C four up on
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  Speaker 4: the screen. So his name is Randy Mastro. This is
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: an article from twenty twenty one. Randy Mastro purchased the
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: five five hundred square foot home in twenty sixteen for
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: fourteen million dollars. The Circle of nineteen twenty five building,
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: which is located less than a block from Museum Mile,
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: has six bedrooms, three and a half bathrooms, five wood
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: burning fireplaces, five fireplaces in New York City, a full
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: floor master bedroom suite, and a large back garden. Mastro
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: told Real Deal, we love everything about the townhouse in
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: the neighborhood, but we have been living outside the city
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: for most of the past year and intend to continue
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: to do so. Hence, at this point in our lives,
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: we simply don't need such a large place in this city. No,
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: you absolutely do not completely agree with that. That was
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. He listed it.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: You don't need this coffee run.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I don't need it. I actually don't need it.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: He listed it for seventeen million dollars in twenty twenty one.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: Nobody bought it for that, so he, according to property
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: records that we reviewed, he pulled it off the market
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: and so he still owns it. I emailed him yesterday
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: to ask if he lives in it or if he
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: still doesn't need it. He did not get back, We'll
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: update viewers when he does return. So as a result,
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: he would be susceptible to this pieda tere tas at
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: minimum it's a fourteen to fifteen million dollar home.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: So joining us to discuss this.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: Andrew bard Epstein Community was the communications director for the
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Mamdani Campaign for consultant to progressive political organizations and Ken.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: It has happened to be in DC. We're very excited
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: to be able to get them in studio. Thanks for
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: being here.
• 52:02
  Speaker 13: Honored to be here. I'm a premium sub along to Launcher.
• 52:05
  Speaker 13: I've been on a couple of times, usually just up
• 52:07
  Speaker 13: on primary night in general election night and the chaos
• 52:10
  Speaker 13: of our victory parties in New York City.
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: So very very exciting to be here with both of you.
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  Speaker 4: All Right, Well, everybody do like Andrew become a premium Yeah. So,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: so walk us through the current status of this fight
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: over this this pieta tear tax, and it applies. My
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: understanding is if it's if it's a condo that you
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: don't live in, so it's a straight up little pieta
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: tear Yeah, you know you own it in Manhattan and
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: that the limit for that is a million. For a home,
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: it's much higher.
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: It's a little different.
• 52:40
  Speaker 13: It's about the distinctions between condominiums and cooperatives, which is
• 52:44
  Speaker 13: in New York City's very confusing and convoluted methods for
• 52:49
  Speaker 13: assessing property tax and land value.
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: We can maybe.
• 52:52
  Speaker 13: Bracket all of that or go down a single land
• 52:54
  Speaker 13: tax value a trend here, but no, I mean, there's
• 52:57
  Speaker 13: a couple of things to understand about this lost and
• 53:00
  Speaker 13: where it stands, both who's filing it and what it stands.
• 53:02
  Speaker 13: I mean, first of all, it's important understand that the
• 53:04
  Speaker 13: lawsuit itself doesn't challenge the legitimacy of the.
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: Pieta tear a tax. They're quite explicit about this.
• 53:09
  Speaker 13: This is about a confusing rollout that they're challenging in
• 53:13
  Speaker 13: court and going back and forth with different judges on
• 53:16
  Speaker 13: whether the rollout can continue or not. But it's worth
• 53:18
  Speaker 13: stepping back and understanding the significance of this breakthrough generally,
• 53:22
  Speaker 13: I mean a peta taar tax figuring out how to
• 53:24
  Speaker 13: tax luxury non primary residences in these fabulously wealthy global
• 53:29
  Speaker 13: cities where so many people around the world have apartments
• 53:32
  Speaker 13: that they use as storehouses of wealth.
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: They don't visit them very often.
• 53:35
  Speaker 13: This is a challenge for cities all over the world
• 53:37
  Speaker 13: and something that New York State policymakers have been trying
• 53:40
  Speaker 13: to tackle for more than a decade, but at every
• 53:43
  Speaker 13: turn they were defeated by the real estate lobby. You
• 53:46
  Speaker 13: get to the beginning of this year, and we ran
• 53:49
  Speaker 13: on a campaign that required new revenue, not just to
• 53:52
  Speaker 13: plug the fiscal gap that Eric Adams had left and
• 53:55
  Speaker 13: Deputy First deput may Or Randy Mastro under him that
• 53:58
  Speaker 13: absolute catastrophe they left in New York City's budget that
• 54:01
  Speaker 13: confronted the new Mamdani administration with a multi billion.
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: Dollar fiscal gap.
• 54:05
  Speaker 13: There also needed to be new revenue to fund the
• 54:07
  Speaker 13: ambitious expansion of the affordability agenda that he ran on
• 54:12
  Speaker 13: and won.
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: That required new revenues.
• 54:14
  Speaker 13: But if you recall, Governor hokel at the beginning of
• 54:16
  Speaker 13: this year said not a penny in new taxes from
• 54:18
  Speaker 13: the wealthy or anyone else. The mayor pushed, the movements
• 54:22
  Speaker 13: behind the mayor pushed, and eventually we got this breakthrough
• 54:25
  Speaker 13: that it had eluded lawmakers in New York State for
• 54:27
  Speaker 13: more than a decade. It's a new tax that is
• 54:30
  Speaker 13: attempting to capture revenue from a population that is very
• 54:35
  Speaker 13: skilled and resourced that avoiding paying taxes.
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: So it's going to be complicated to roll out.
• 54:41
  Speaker 13: But it's important to remember that Randy Mastro, who did
• 54:44
  Speaker 13: everything he could in the final year of Adam's administration
• 54:47
  Speaker 13: to sabotage the incoming Mamdanie administration, has now taken every
• 54:51
  Speaker 13: opportunity as an outside lawyer to attack the administration. There's
• 54:55
  Speaker 13: a whole bunch of other lawsuits he's filed over the
• 54:58
  Speaker 13: past eight months. And you know, I mean, it's funny
• 55:01
  Speaker 13: to see President Trump evoke congestion pricing and the radical
• 55:04
  Speaker 13: g hobbies behind it. Randy Master himself was the attorney
• 55:08
  Speaker 13: hired by the State of New Jersey to challenge congestion
• 55:11
  Speaker 13: pricing in court. Kind of a nefarious character in New
• 55:15
  Speaker 13: York politics. I wonder about people who cast themselves largely
• 55:19
  Speaker 13: as public servants, who can afford a fourteen million dollars
• 55:22
  Speaker 13: second property that they visit occasionally, but I'm.
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: Confident can hold it this five years.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: You can hold it for five and you weren't like,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's had it for more than five years,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: but in twenty twenty one he told us he didn't
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: need it anymore.
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, it's interesting because I think New
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: York City is such a unique case. That's such an
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: over overused word, but I really mean it here in
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: that like with California, we could probably the three of
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: us might have a debate on the wealth tax there.
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: I think people genuinely will leave California.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: I don't think people will leave New York City because
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: it's New York City.
• 55:51
  Speaker 6: And if you're in Griffin and you're trying to operate
• 55:54
  Speaker 6: in New York City and on Wall Street, you want
• 55:57
  Speaker 6: to have that place where you can be taking the meeting.
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: You can't get a place in Connecticut, New Jersey. It's
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: completely different than having your spot in New York City.
• 56:03
  Speaker 13: Absolutely, And I think the other challenges that a lot
• 56:05
  Speaker 13: of these CEOs face when they beat their chests about
• 56:08
  Speaker 13: leaving to Miami or Texas is that their employees don't
• 56:10
  Speaker 13: want to go. They float these ideas internally or maybe can't.
• 56:14
  Speaker 13: I mean, I've heard of multiple CEOs who have floated
• 56:17
  Speaker 13: internally in their companies that you know, we might we
• 56:21
  Speaker 13: writ And Griffin himself was toying with the idea of
• 56:23
  Speaker 13: not continuing this investment in new commercial property in New
• 56:26
  Speaker 13: York City.
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: They float this to their employees, and their employees go
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: absolutely not.
• 56:29
  Speaker 13: I'm not moving to Florida, No fucking way.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: Apparently the Citadel executives and who cancel Ken Griff And
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: he's the one that mom Donnie did that video about
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: outside of his part his two hundred fifty million dollar
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: apartment saying guys never here. So he said I'm moving
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: Citadel to Miami, and his employees were like, no, you know,
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: you're absolutely not.
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: What did you make of Scott Galloway, who said he
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: supported mom Donnie, saying he felt doxed by the list, Well, you.
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: Know, I have to be honest with you, I haven't.
• 56:57
  Speaker 13: Actually I don't really fully understand who Scott Galloway is
• 56:59
  Speaker 13: or where he's still on the ideological spectrum.
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: But I did see that.
• 57:03
  Speaker 13: Yeah, there has been a very intentional does he say
• 57:06
  Speaker 13: he has a podcast.
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: With kar Swisher, Yeah, but sort.
• 57:09
  Speaker 13: Of positions himself as someone on the left right to
• 57:13
  Speaker 13: a degree. What he is doing, I assume, and what
• 57:17
  Speaker 13: many in especially right wing media have done, is conflated
• 57:20
  Speaker 13: a couple different processes that New York City undergoes. One
• 57:23
  Speaker 13: is publishing the list of all properties in certain asset
• 57:27
  Speaker 13: classes that are potentially eligible for any kind of property tax.
• 57:30
  Speaker 13: That's not really what this is about. This is about
• 57:32
  Speaker 13: the letter sent to seventeen thousand homeowners property owners that
• 57:36
  Speaker 13: the city identified as potentially being subject to this tax,
• 57:39
  Speaker 13: and giving them an opportunity to say, no, this is
• 57:41
  Speaker 13: my primary residence.
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: I mean.
• 57:42
  Speaker 13: One thing that's been interesting is that in the process
• 57:45
  Speaker 13: of going through this rollout, it has surfaced potential tax
• 57:49
  Speaker 13: fraud from a whole bunch of people who pretend to
• 57:52
  Speaker 13: live in other states where there's lower income taxes, but
• 57:54
  Speaker 13: actually spend all the time in New York. And there's
• 57:56
  Speaker 13: been some reporting that the local administration is actually looking
• 57:59
  Speaker 13: at some of the cases that have been surfaced by
• 58:01
  Speaker 13: this and being able to identify defrauding of the New
• 58:04
  Speaker 13: York taxpayer.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: So just to underscore that.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Underlying that point, so people have been saying they live
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: in Florida right in order not to pay the New
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: York state income tracts, say hey, I spend more than
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: half my year here, and then they get a letter
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: saying you owe a little extra because you live in Florida,
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: not in New York.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: City, and you're like, oh, no, no, no, no, I live
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: in New York City. Yeah, exactly, it's the mistake.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, cool, where's the ten percent income text that
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: you've been total on?
• 58:33
  Speaker 13: Can I One of the thing that's been totally memory
• 58:35
  Speaker 13: hold in this discussion you talk about the Ken Griffin
• 58:37
  Speaker 13: Pieta tair that quarter billion dollar home on billionaire's row,
• 58:41
  Speaker 13: that purchase in twenty nineteen was actually what led then
• 58:43
  Speaker 13: Governor Andrew Cuomo to embrace the idea of the Pieta
• 58:46
  Speaker 13: tair tax. He couldn't get it done, did he really
• 58:49
  Speaker 13: want to do it? Whatever, I don't know. But the
• 58:50
  Speaker 13: point is the real estate lobby was powerful enough then
• 58:53
  Speaker 13: to defeat it.
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: It was not this year.
• 58:55
  Speaker 13: And so there's a little bit of confusion that has
• 58:59
  Speaker 13: been I think bad faith and stoked by some of
• 59:01
  Speaker 13: the opponents of the administration, particularly people with very very
• 59:05
  Speaker 13: expensive second homes.
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: Well, I think we should talk about the Sienna pool
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: that came out because it gets.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: To all of this. A lot of people in New.
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: York State apparently not pouring out tears for Scott Galloway,
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: whos did say he supported the piano te tax. But
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: we find in this new Sienna pool. We'll put this
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: up on the screen. Zoramm Donnie's favorability state wide, not
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: just in New York City. According to this new pole,
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: forty seven to forty four statewide.
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: In New York City he.
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: Set sixty nine percent to twenty four percent.
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: Nice, yeah, exactly.
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: Are you surprised by these numbers?
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: I'm not.
• 59:37
  Speaker 13: I mean it's funny because just yesterday or two days ago,
• 59:39
  Speaker 13: the Wall Street Journal ran a story that said, and
• 59:42
  Speaker 13: it's news section, not an editorial, saying the honeymoon with
• 59:44
  Speaker 13: Mom Donnie is over, and they cited different news cycles
• 59:47
  Speaker 13: over the past couple of months. In the meantime, the
• 59:49
  Speaker 13: mayor's approval rating has gone up eleven points since Sienna
• 59:52
  Speaker 13: last checked in.
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: In June, which was high, which was already quite high.
• 59:56
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 59:57
  Speaker 13: What I also love is that if you look deeper
• 59:58
  Speaker 13: in some of these poles, and I don't know if
• 59:59
  Speaker 13: it's a case with this one in Siena, but certainly
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 13: earlier in the year, you'll find a high approval rating.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 13: You'll find an even higher number of New Yorkers who
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 13: say they believe the mayor is working hard every day
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 13: on their behalf, people who disagree with him ideologically but
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 13: see him out there hustling on the problems big and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 13: small confronting New Yorkers. I think it's a very fascinating
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 13: gap in New York as people are desperate for a
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 13: government that's energetic and getting things done and seeing visible
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 13: improvements in their lives. So I'm not surprised by it.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 13: I think it confound some media narratives. I mean, certainly
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 13: in New York City, a great portion of the media
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 13: and political class have been counting down the days before
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 13: the honeymoon ends. They keep waiting for it, and many
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 13: had convinced themselves that the mayor's endorsements in New York
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 13: congressional primaries in June would be one of the things
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 13: that might puncture the approval. Instead, those candidates he endorsed
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 13: went on to win their primaries, and I think he's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 13: gained a lot more political capital for having made those
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 13: interventions in New York politics, alongside the real progress that's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 13: actually been made on the agenda. I think more than anything,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 13: the Mayor's motivated by fulfilling the agenda he ran on,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 13: which seems like an obvious thing but we know long
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 13: years of Democrats running on vague things and then avoiding
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 13: actually delivering them when they're in power. The central premise
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 13: of what the mayor and doing in New York City
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 13: is to say that when you vote for a program
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 13: that we've put before voters, it's.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: My job to now go and act that.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 13: And if you look at the program that was laid
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 13: out in the campaign, there's been a lot of progress
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 13: on universal childcare. You have thousands of two year olds
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 13: now getting seats, many more coming. We have a rent
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 13: freeze in place, the bus infrastructure is proceeding rapidly to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 13: speed them up. The question of eliminating the fair is
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 13: still a live one, but there's been tremendous progress on
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 13: a number of different elements of the agenda.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: And I think New Yorkers are seeing that they voted.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 13: For a plan, he's now setting about to deliver that plan.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 13: And that's the whole theory of the case here in
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 13: New York.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: And I've noticed a lot of mayor envy around the
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: country as people watch things get fixed and just basic
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: things happen, like, oh, man, I went, why can't my
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: mayor right fix things? Uh, Meanwhile, he's going after Amazon
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: as well, for you know the way that it subcontracts
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: out all of its all of its deliveries.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Let's roll C five here.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 14: Special delivery.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 15: If it looks like an Amazon delivery.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 8: And he drives like an Amazon delivery, and it's an
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: Amazon delivery.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 14: Amazon is spending millions of dollars to convince you that
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 14: this isn't an Amazon delivery. But all you have to
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 14: do to see for yourself.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 10: My unifam, says Amazon.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 15: If I don't wear this Amazon branded vest, disciplinary action
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 15: will be taken against this. The workers routes and hours
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 15: are set by Amazon.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: So why isn't Amazon responsible to these men?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 15: Because Amazon and other corporations have built a vast network
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 15: of subcontractors.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: That shield them from responsibility.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 10: Amazon tells these subcontractors way to drive.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: Who to hire, and what I was to work.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: I do all the work that makes Amazon.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 12: All the money.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 14: This is why I'm proud to support the delivery protection
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 14: that sponsored by council Member Tiffany go On. Because if
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 14: Amazon is delivering your packages, they should follow the same
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 14: rules of every other delivery.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: So what's he doing here? Why is a mom Donnie.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: Yewn in someways this feels related.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 13: So if in the pieda' tair a tax you have
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 13: an attempt to try to deal with New York City
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 13: being used as a kind of just wealth aggregator for
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 13: distant billionaires and millionaires, as one kind of tactic of
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 13: the oligarchy, let's say, to store and protect their wealth.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 13: You have another fight over here, which is how some
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 13: of the biggest and most powerful corporations in the world
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  Speaker 13: structure themselves to avoid accountability. In this case, it's the
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 13: accountability of actually being responsible for the employees that they direct, manage,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 13: set the timetables for all the rest of it, but
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 13: then wash their hands of that accountability when anything comes up,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 13: because they say it's all a second, it's a subcontractor
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 13: it's something else. This is a bill that has been
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  Speaker 13: championed by DSA endorsed City Council Member Tiffany Caban from
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 13: my hometown, the People's Republic.
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  Speaker 7: Of Astoria, for several years. It's gained a lot of momentum.
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  Speaker 13: It has the strong support of the teamsters which have
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 13: been organizing Amazon delivery drivers in New York City for
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 13: many years now, and I think the Mayor's full throated
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  Speaker 13: embrace of It is a huge breakthrough for trying to
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  Speaker 13: tackle the very complicated and effective ways that these powerful
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 13: companies use to avoid any responsibility for the conditions that
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 13: they are actually setting.
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  Speaker 7: It's setting up a fight now, of course.
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  Speaker 13: And I think David Dian and The American Prospect wrote
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 13: about some of the lobbying efforts that Amazon is engaging in.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Led by Jessica Schumer, Schumer Schumer a number.
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  Speaker 7: Of other lobbying firms.
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  Speaker 13: My guess is that they will focus their lobbying efforts
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 13: on the city count speaker. I think the mayor has
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 13: made very clear where he is at.
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  Speaker 1: The Epstein plane. No relation, it's just just.
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  Speaker 7: No relation to Yeah, no, it's not the Epstein plane.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: It's the plane that Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: Did to buy. Yes, that's a.
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  Speaker 7: Little problematic for me, that plant.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, but it ended up somehow in the men in portfolio,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 13: which continues to reveal fascinating as.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: A CIA torture plane.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yes, that's exactly.
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  Speaker 4: When Epstein was like, with that that tale, I'm not
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: flying into the Middle East.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 13: I do think there's something going on with Council Speaker
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 13: Julian Mennon where like I think we all kind of
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 13: knew she was wealthy. She's, you know, represents a very
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 13: wealthy Upper east Side district. Over the past few months,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 13: it's the scale of her wealth has been revealed, where.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: We learned about an eight million dollar apartment, yeah the
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: family owns. Then we learn that she bought a private
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: plane that Epstein didn't want, right.
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  Speaker 7: Her husband did.
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  Speaker 11: No.
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  Speaker 13: But but I do think that like it was actually
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 13: somebody who follows New York City politics really closely, Like
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 13: I kind of put her in the category of like
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 13: wealthy professional people who've had good jobs and have own
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 13: an ice home on the Upper Eastside. I didn't in
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 13: my mind put her in the category of like private
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 13: jets and multimillion dollar second homes in the Hamptons.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: But apparently that is the case.
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  Speaker 13: So I don't know how that lobbying effort is unfolding.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 13: My guests and suspicion is if they're looking for someplace
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  Speaker 13: to fight this, they're going to look to the City Council.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 13: But it's gained a lot of support on the council.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 13: I mean, the mayor is amplifying it, embracing it. But
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 13: this is also a bill that council Member Caban and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 13: others have worked for several years, so it's been kind
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 13: of socialized in the council and I think really ready
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 13: for a breakthrough.
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  Speaker 6: And how does or maybe to your knowledge, how has
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: the mayor and the team thinking about making sure prices
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: also don't go up if something like if Amazon decides
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: to take this out on customers.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: What's the thought process there.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 13: Well, I'm not internal to the rollout or the plans
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 13: of how they would deal with the implementation of this law.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 13: What I will say is that this is the challenge
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 13: in so many fields of political and economic life, is
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 13: you know, as you try to enact some kind of
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 13: accountability or reasonable taxation structure or regulation, it is the
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 13: threat that always hangs over, especially when you're operating at
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 13: a city level, because they always claim, Okay, we can
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 13: go somewhere else. The truth of the matter is New
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 13: York City is such a massive consumer market that I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 13: have to believe that Amazon is going to be careful
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 13: with how they deal with it.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: And when you look at the Mayor's approval rating, that's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: going up right.
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  Speaker 13: The whole logic of New York City politics, The common
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 13: sense is you only have one place to go and
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 13: approval rating as mayor. It's down right, you kind of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 13: start and then it just goes down, down, down. It's
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 13: gone up eleven points. And I raise that only to
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  Speaker 13: say that if Amazon were to take really drastic measures
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  Speaker 13: right manipulate their prices for instance, or pass on the price,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 13: whatever it is they could do, I don't know that
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 13: they win that fight in such an open fight with
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 13: the mayor of New York City.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: That's an interesting point, you know.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 13: I don't know how this is going to play out,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 13: but I would be loath to mess with this mayor
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 13: and this New York City that is behind him right
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 13: now if I were Amazon.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: And so as somebody who's been involved with some of
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: the most important kind of left victories over the over
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: the last couple of years. I wanted to get your
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: take on last night's YEAH Races. You had blowout victories
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: in Minnesota by Peggy Flanagan, who had the support of
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and Matt Little and in
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: the race to replace Angie Craig blew out a a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: pack backed candidate for the House seat there. But then
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: over in Wisconsin, fran Hong, who was pulling significantly ahead
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: hit some serious headwinds in the last couple of weeks,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: and it looks like as of now it's it's been
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: called for her opponent. She's about half a point short.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: I suppose that's within the margin of the recount. We'll
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: see what happened. Why Why do you think they won
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: one in Minnesota but lost in.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good question.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 13: You know, for as long as I have been following
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 13: or passionate about, you know, insurgent politics, going back to
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 13: like being a high school nerd who loved Howard Dean.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 13: The thing that always that the Democratic establishment, it is
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 13: they drop the electability bomb on her head, right, there
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 13: is nothing more powerful and persuasive.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: Well, Republicans were dropping it on that's true three million.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 13: But you know, I was hoping, when you know, if
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 13: she won, right, I would get to come in and say, finally,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 13: Democratic primary voters are freeing themselves from the pundit in
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 13: their brain who is always weighing electability chances. And I'm
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 13: not dismissing that calculation. We have to beat Republicans, and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 13: that's an important consideration, but it is it is a
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 13: roadblock to progressive primaries, especially where Democratic voters are convinced
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 13: that a Republican is in a very strong position, and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 13: I think that that certainly was effective there.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think we're in a we're in an
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: interesting cycle here.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 13: I mean, I really look at the the the insurgency
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 13: that swept a lot of the Democratic Party this summer.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 13: I really trace back to, you know, Donald Trump's election
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 13: in twenty twenty four and the Democratic establishment having absolutely
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 13: no answer for it whatsoever. They didn't know how to respond,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 13: and they sort of receded, and into that void stepped
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 13: in Bernie Sanders and AOC with the Fight Oligarchy Tour
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 13: to name the problem that we're facing in this country,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 13: not just about one person, but about an economic class
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 13: that is fleecing working people in this country. Zoram, I'm
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 13: Donnie's victory in New York City. The primary victories that
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 13: we've seen around the country there obviously now have been
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 13: some losses. But I don't think we can fully assess
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 13: what's happening quite yet in the Democratic Party until we,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 13: number one, see that some of the progressive insurgents who
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 13: have won primaries can defeat their Republican opponents in the fall.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 13: But you know, it was funny to open up the
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 13: New York Times out this morning and see the headline
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 13: was that Francis Hong was upset in this event, like
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 13: this was an upset victory over Francesca Hong. Democratic Socialists
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 13: fall in Wisconsin.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 7: And I don't want to do this like cope thing
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: of like no, but the truth is, like.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 13: It is a remarkable moment we're at an American politics.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 13: I mean that Francesca Hang is a Democratic Socialist who
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 13: came within a hair of winning the Democratic nomination against
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 13: the full establishment of our party in the state. And
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 13: so I think, you know, on the level of following
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 13: politics nationally, we're trying to understand what the vibes are
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 13: where things are going, We're up, we're down, whatever they
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 13: are dynamics individual.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: To those particular states.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 13: But if you look at the sweep of what's happening
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 13: in the Democratic Party, I don't think the cat's going
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 13: back in the bag. It's a real fight and it's
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 13: always going to have been a real fight with the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 13: people who run this party essentially and the Democratic voters
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 13: who want to.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: Take it over.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 13: But I don't come out of this feeling sorely defeated.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 13: I think this is a we're still on the move
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 13: in this country in a real way.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: And we talked about this at the beginning of the
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: show before you got here. But I really think that
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: that electability itch got scratched, particularly by the Thanksgiving Yeah,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: not the tweet itself, correct, but by her kind of
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: sticking by it or not disavowed it so as a communication.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: So basically, if you missed the first first block, at
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: some point she had tweeted we should have canceled Thanksgiving
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: in sixteen twenty one or whatever, and then she was
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: asked about it on MSNBC or CNN, whatever, and she didn't.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: She kind of like gave a politician answer where she
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: didn't say, you know, of course I like Thanksgiving. And
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: in my theory is that Democrats who'd been willing to
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: overlook the electability concerns up until then, we're like, oh,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: she's going to get absolutely murdered for this, especially in
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: a November election.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: Well that's a good point, but I actually want to
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: tack onto that. Just when we were talking about the
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: Siena Pool finding mom Donnie being popular, it reminds me
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: actually that he's such a You've seen this up close
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: and personal. He's such a particularly appealing salesman. And I
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: think part of it is that socials needs to be
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: popular to sell this platform, which is new and different
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: in modern politics. And if you can't have popular appeal
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: because you're against or you appear to be against something
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: that a lot of Americans like and like Thanksgiving, it's
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: harder to sell the policy to even Democratic enters.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: And I wouldn't put it past a twenty fourteen mom
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: Donnie to have tweeted something like that about Thanksgiving, But
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: as his communications director, how would you have advised him
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: to respond to that during the campaign? How would you
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: have advised fran Hong and or future progressive candidates who
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: are going to continue to get asked about tweets from
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: a twenty thirty down to twenty two What should she
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: have said in that moment?
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Think?
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  Speaker 13: And I do just want to preface by saying, you know,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 13: to my I think she's done something remarkable. I'm lowth
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 13: a little bit some Monday morning quarterback with her and
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 13: the amazing people on the ground of Wisconsin.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 7: What they've achieved is real.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: So you hate Thanksgiving?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: So I hate Thanksgiving too.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 13: I mean I will say though, like I worked food
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 13: service jobs in my life, not for nearly as long
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 13: as Francesca Hang and I remember, you know, being so
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 13: not getting time off between like Christmas and New Year's
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 13: for instance, can really make you pretty grumpy about holidays
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 13: if you're stuck in the kitchen. And to that point,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 13: I think that might have been a cleaner answer in
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 13: a sense. I mean, I think the problem with you know,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 13: I'm very familiar with twenty twenty tweets becoming the subject
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 13: of multiple news cycles the libation yes exactly, and several
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 13: others you know, some some about holidays, you know. But
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 13: I think the difference was I think the the voters
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 13: are very willing at this point, I think to look
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 13: past things that you said on the internet a while ago,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 13: I mean, before it all imploded with Graham Plattner. He
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 13: did win a Democratic primary in Maine having been pretty
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 13: his internet comments resurface. I think the problem was, I
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 13: think you got it a little bit with a politician's answer.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 13: I think it's that the answers seemed to almost validate
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 13: the kind of culture war frame that you knew Republicans
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 13: and the media were going to put onto it. Whereas
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 13: I think one thing mayor Mom, Donnie was always so
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 13: effect at was saying like, yeah, you know, I tweeted
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 13: a bunch of stuff, but nobody really cares what my
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 13: opinion is on this stuff. You should vote for me
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 13: if you care about making the city affordable. You should
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 13: care about me if you want or Thanksgiving dinner affordable, right.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 13: There might also have been a pivot to that kind
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 13: of joke, and so I think, look, I mean, it
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 13: was a little bit confusing to me generally why there
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 13: was so much national media happening. I mean, certainly in
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 13: the in the run up to Mayor Mom Donnie's primary,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 13: we were really loath to book him on national media
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 13: because what was the upshot really, you know, it was
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 13: this was about getting in front of New York City voters,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 13: knowing that if we were successful in the primary, the
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 13: opportunities for national media would come and we would be selective.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 13: But we also knew that their particular obsessions or focuses
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 13: would be different than what voters in New York City
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 13: were worried about.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't have put her on that show to begin with.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 7: I don't think so.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 13: But I also but I but again, like I don't
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 13: want to she has done something really remarkable and successful
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 13: in here. I think the problem that TV without spending
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 13: on TV, which I think is also maybe a problem too,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 13: I think you do need to you can't lie exclusively
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 13: on television. But one of the things that was so
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 13: successful for us in the mayor's race was how symbiotic
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 13: the paid TV, the social media, the field program were.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 13: They were all feeding into and off of each other,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 13: so that when you got to knock on the door
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 13: from a volunteer, you're like, I know that guy from
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 13: social media, or you saw an ad that just repeated
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 13: I'm going to freeze the rent. I'm gonna freeze the rent.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 13: I'm going to freeze the rent, and you know exactly
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 13: what it is he's proposing to do, and that gets
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 13: reinforced by some other touch and so I do think
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 13: you need TV in the mix. But the thing about
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 13: that moment was that I think it instead of shutting down, dismissing,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 13: and pivoting away from the kind of culture war fever
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 13: that people want.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: To get past and onto the things that matter.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 13: It's sort of validated participated in it a little bit
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 13: in a way that I think was unfortunate, but that became.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 7: The load star for the electability question.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 13: Right, that became what people could point to and say,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 13: isn't this a big concern in a way that never
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 13: fully happened to Abdul, even though I do think the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 13: gap between his polling numbers and results probably meant that
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 13: some people were convinced by the electability numbers. I also
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 13: think with the polling my guesses, and I'm curious if
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 13: you agree, is that one of the reasons polling is
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 13: so overrepresenting these democratic, socialist and populist insurgents is that
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 13: those voters are the ones who are now motivated to
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 13: respond to polls.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: I mean, the people who are excited about politics.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 13: Are people in this movement, whether they've made up a
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 13: majority of a primary electric or not. If they're getting
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 13: a poll text, you know, whereas like a few years ago,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 13: you know, my friends on the left, they get a question,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 13: they're not going to engage.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: With the poll.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's like the vibes are off, right, That's
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: what some of the polsters are saying. Are they saying
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: that that the responsors a motivations higher a moment.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 7: I think that's going on.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: But your vote counts whether it's excited or reluctant correct
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: the same correct correct all right.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming by. I really
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 7: It's pleasure to be here.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 13: Thanks so much, pot boot boot