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Child sex perv with CONDOM, BOX-CUTTER and COOKIES IN HIS POCKET caught luring 8-year-old girl off trampoline · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I okay, dere, I am
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Speaker 1: calling kind of for I get the welfare kick. And
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Speaker 1: there's a little girl sitting on her trampoline and gives
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Speaker 1: a purple calf on her foot, and he's talking to
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Speaker 1: a screen guy like on the other side of the fence. Okay,
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Speaker 1: thank the Lord in heaven. This neighbor was paying attention
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Speaker 1: to a strange man. And no, I've looked at his picture.
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Speaker 1: He's sprouting horns, he's not green. There's nothing terribly odd
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Speaker 1: about him except she didn't know him. She didn't know
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Speaker 1: him from the neighborhood. And he's approached a little girl
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Speaker 1: who's by herself on a trampoline. Now that's a whole
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Speaker 1: nother can of worms. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Francy Haykes, what about it.
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Speaker 1: It's incredibly disturbing, though not surprised to hear that he
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Speaker 1: had cookies, condoms, and a box cutter in his pocket.
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Speaker 1: This is what we might refer to as a kit
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Speaker 1: of some kind, is that his child lure kit? Is
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Speaker 1: that what we might call a rape kit, is that
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Speaker 1: his crime kit. It looks like that is exactly what
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Speaker 1: it was to me. That neighbor might have very well
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Speaker 1: saved that child's life in acting so quickly to call
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Speaker 1: the police about a suspicious person around that eight year
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Speaker 1: old little girl. Francy Hayes, the National Coordinator for Child
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Speaker 1: Exploitation Prevention and Interdiction. A lure kit. I've heard of
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Speaker 1: killed kits, I've heard of rape kits. A lure kit.
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Speaker 1: Let's just start at the get go guys with me
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Speaker 1: an all star panel. I just can't say it enough.
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Speaker 1: Starting with former FBI Special Agent Jeff Cortez, a renowned
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst and boys, she's seen it all working out there
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Speaker 1: on Rodeo Drive aka Rodeo A doctor Bethany Marshall joining
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Speaker 1: us from La Francy Haigs, as I said, the National
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Speaker 1: Coordinator for Child Exploitation Prevention and Interdiction, Ashley Wilcot, judge
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer at Ashley Wilcott dot com, joining me right
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Speaker 1: now from WFIE Evansville, Indiana fourteen News. Joseph Peyton, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I hardly know where to start when I
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Speaker 1: get overwhelmed, to be it in a trial, research or
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Speaker 1: just doing chores at the house and trying to deal
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Speaker 1: with the twins. I start with one thing. I try
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Speaker 1: to start at the beginning and take that first step.
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Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. Joseph Peyton, fourteen News. What
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Speaker 1: happened and not interstity Evansville, but in a pretty quiet
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Speaker 1: neighborhood of Evansville. This guy has been walking around this
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Speaker 1: neighborhood and he had his eyes on this eight year
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Speaker 1: old girl. And as I was talking to the mom
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Speaker 1: earlier this week, the little girl has a bicycle that
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Speaker 1: she rides around the neighborhood. She's been walking driving her
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Speaker 1: bicycle around, and apparently this guy's had her eye on HER's.
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Speaker 1: He said hi to her a few times. There's neighbors
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Speaker 1: in the area that you have seen him greet her,
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Speaker 1: you know, have small talk with her, and so he's
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Speaker 1: got his eye on her. I don't like the sound
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Speaker 1: of that. As a matter of fact. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the mom of this little girl. Just as Joseph
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Speaker 1: Peyton is describing Joseph Peyton with fourteen kneews, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to what the mom says, Yeah, like she just
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Speaker 1: thought he was a friend. That was his third encounter
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Speaker 1: with my daughter a month ago. She's riding a bike
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Speaker 1: around the corner and he said hi to her. Then
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Speaker 1: they're all sick. I mean, that's just nuts to prey
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Speaker 1: on little kids. I mean, there's other things to do
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Speaker 1: in this world instead of prey on little ones. So
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Speaker 1: I was just mad and asking why would he want
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Speaker 1: to talk to her and look sickning early sickening. I agree,
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Speaker 1: Dodger Bethany Marshall. Why is an eight year old little
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Speaker 1: girl need a grown man as a friend. I don't
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Speaker 1: like it, Nancy. I do not like it either, because
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Speaker 1: what it sounds like is that he's a pedophile. And
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Speaker 1: with pedophilia, what you see is that there is more
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Speaker 1: than five years age difference between the perpetrator and the victim,
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Speaker 1: and that the victim is prepubescent, that is under the
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Speaker 1: age of eight. So this definitely fits that profile. Not
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Speaker 1: all pedophiles are predatory, but this is predatory. This is
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Speaker 1: like a piranha swimming around a smaller fish, or a gator,
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Speaker 1: you know, crawling up the banks of a river to
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Speaker 1: try to get to an antelope. It has such a
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Speaker 1: predatory quality, Nancy. He's grooming her, that's what he's doing.
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Speaker 1: And he's grooming it in her in a long and
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Speaker 1: slow process by talking to her while she's the trampoline
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Speaker 1: and on her bike. He's probably talking to her about
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Speaker 1: how cute she is, and you know, who are her
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Speaker 1: teachers and who are her friends, and asking very benign questions.
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Speaker 1: So she gets attached to him, and once she becomes attached,
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Speaker 1: then she'll be under his control. That to Joseph Peyton,
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Speaker 1: reporter with w f i E Evansville, Indiana fourteen news.
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Speaker 1: How does Pokemon Go play into this? Because I was
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Speaker 1: just with my longtime friend Deane, visiting him in New Jersey.
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Speaker 1: Why was I there? Let's see, Oh, I was either
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Speaker 1: doing some kind of appearance in New York, but I
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Speaker 1: spent the night with him and his wife and his children,
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Speaker 1: and he had had it with Pokemon Go. So I volunteered,
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Speaker 1: not really really knowing what we were doing. It was
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Speaker 1: dark outside. I go out with his three boys with flashlights.
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Speaker 1: That should have been a tip off right there, and
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Speaker 1: they all had devices. Okay, we were wandering through that
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Speaker 1: neighborhood together. I was a nervous wreck because I thought
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Speaker 1: we were all going to get run over. And sadly,
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Speaker 1: my long time executive producer from HLM trusted me. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I did not know we were going zig zaggty across
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Speaker 1: yards and under. That's what Pokemon Go is. And I
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Speaker 1: remember actually covering some stories for some idgets walked off
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Speaker 1: of a cliff playing Pokemon Go. Okay, So, Joseph Peyton,
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Speaker 1: how does that game and my nighttime experience with three
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Speaker 1: little boys and flashlights play into this scenario Pokemon Go.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the main topics of conversation that that
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Speaker 1: little girl told her mom that Brian Williamson had with her.
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Speaker 1: She asked that her daughter, she said, you know, what
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Speaker 1: was he talking to you about? And apparently he was
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Speaker 1: helping her install that app on her phone. So you
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Speaker 1: don't really know what his plan was, but whether it
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Speaker 1: was a conversation started, whether it was something that he
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Speaker 1: planned on doing further, that's kind of how he got
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Speaker 1: her attention. The mom told me, the little girl likes
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Speaker 1: playing games on her phone, like many little girls do,
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Speaker 1: and that's kind of something that he was able to
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Speaker 1: connect with her on and that's what he was doing
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Speaker 1: on her phone. How in the world did he get
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Speaker 1: access to this little eight year old girl right under
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Speaker 1: everybody's noses. Where was daddy, where was mommy? I was
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Speaker 1: vacuuming in my bedroom and my daughter was out front
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Speaker 1: playing in the yard. He told came up here and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: do you like Pokemon Go? And he downloaded two apps
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Speaker 1: on her phone. And it's just scary. And I thought
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Speaker 1: she knew better. And I'm always talking to her about it.
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Speaker 1: And I mean he could have had a kitten or
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Speaker 1: a puppy and she would have win. I mean I
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Speaker 1: thought she wouldn't, but she would have. You know, to
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Speaker 1: askle Willcott, judge and trial lawyer. You can find her
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott dot com. How many times, Ashley, they've done
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Speaker 1: studies on it? A million times. They show it on
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Speaker 1: TV where you tell a child don't do this, don't
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Speaker 1: do that, and then you do a test. You have
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Speaker 1: somebody drive up to them along in their driveway, somebody
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Speaker 1: they don't know, I've lost my puppy. Help me and
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Speaker 1: they get in the car and the parents have just
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Speaker 1: told them. It's just you can tell an eight year
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Speaker 1: old five hundred times don't do eggs and they are
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Speaker 1: so innocent it doesn't register. Ashley. Yeah, that's the point, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is that they are innocent. So good news bad news.
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Speaker 1: The good news is kids are what they should be.
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Speaker 1: They should be able to be innocent. They have an
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Speaker 1: innate sense of trust. But that's the bad news. Right
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Speaker 1: as parents, even if we're vigilant, even if we tell
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Speaker 1: them over and over and over again, kids are going
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Speaker 1: to trust or they're going to think, oh, no, I
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Speaker 1: hurt puppy or a found dog. I need to go
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Speaker 1: with him and figure this out. That's what kids do,
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Speaker 1: which is why predators like this man are scary crime stories.
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Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, it's incredibly disturbing, though not surprising, to
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Speaker 1: hear that he had cookies, condoms, and a box cutter
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Speaker 1: in his pocket. This is what we might refer to
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Speaker 1: as a kit of some kind, is that his child
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Speaker 1: lore kit. Is that what we might call a rape kit,
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Speaker 1: is that his crime kit. It looks like that is
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Speaker 1: exactly what it was. To me that neighbor might have
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Speaker 1: very well saved that child's life and acting so quickly
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Speaker 1: to call the police about a suspicious person around that
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Speaker 1: eight year old little girl a lure kit. A lure kit.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about a man who had cookies like
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Speaker 1: chocolate chip cookies, a rubber, a condom, and a box
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Speaker 1: cutter in his pocket as he is approaching a little
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Speaker 1: eight year old girl on a trampoline. Where's mommy? She's
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Speaker 1: inside vacuuming and why shouldn't she be Where? Where do
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Speaker 1: we live? What state is this that we are living in?
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Speaker 1: Where you can't vacuum in your home but your kid,
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Speaker 1: your child is out front. If it hadn't been for this,
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Speaker 1: all right, dear, I am calling kind of for I
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Speaker 1: get the welfare kick And there's a little girl sitting
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Speaker 1: on her trampoline, gives a purple calf run her foot
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Speaker 1: if he's talking to a strange guy like on the
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Speaker 1: other side of the dance. If it hadn't been for
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Speaker 1: that neighbor, what would have happened to Francie Hakes, National
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Speaker 1: Coordinator for Child Exploitation Prevention and Interdiction. What stands out
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Speaker 1: to you about this scenario? Well, we find in a
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Speaker 1: lot of cases where people are sexually interested in children
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Speaker 1: that they're talking to various people online or people they
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Speaker 1: know about obtaining a child to sexually abuse. Here, it
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Speaker 1: looked very much like he may have been planning on abduction,
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Speaker 1: and you don't often get the fruits of the abduction
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Speaker 1: on the person in the planning stages, and that is
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Speaker 1: the lure of the cookies, the box cutter for control,
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Speaker 1: the condoms that indicate he planned to engage in sexual
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Speaker 1: assaults of the child. That is a very significant fact
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Speaker 1: that I hope will mean a no judge will let
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Speaker 1: him out on on because he's too dangerous and b
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Speaker 1: I hope it will mean a substantial prison sentence. Back
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Speaker 1: to Joseph Peyton, fourteen News w FIE, Evansville, Indiana. Joseph Peyton,
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Speaker 1: you know, good luck with him not getting out on bond.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about this guy? Brian Williamson just
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Speaker 1: thirty one years old. What's his trick? Rerecord? You know
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Speaker 1: what I always say, when you don't know a horse,
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Speaker 1: look at his trick Creckord. What is his track, Creckord.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Peyton, Well, npty. He's had a history. He's a
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Speaker 1: convicted child molester already back about a decade ago. He
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Speaker 1: was living with his sister back in two thousand, Kenda.
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Speaker 1: At that point in time, he was convicted of basically
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Speaker 1: touching his three year old niece, and he had a
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Speaker 1: seven year old niece that was in the room and
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Speaker 1: saw this happen. She told her mom that he touched
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Speaker 1: her word a little girl would go to the bathroom,
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Speaker 1: is what she said. So you think about you almost
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Speaker 1: traumatized two little girls in that sense. He even admitted
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Speaker 1: this in court, saying that the little girl told him
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Speaker 1: that he liked fits and then he even admitted to
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Speaker 1: masturbating to it. And actually he was sitting actually to
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Speaker 1: eight years in prison for child molestation and they told
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Speaker 1: him be had this lifetime registry as a sex offender.
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Speaker 1: So you think his issues even started a decade ago,
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Speaker 1: and yet he is out walking free in this neighborhood
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Speaker 1: to approach this little girl, not once on the trampoline,
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Speaker 1: but many, many times, creating a so called friendship between them,
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Speaker 1: helping her download Pokemon Go apps on her phone, talking
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Speaker 1: to who are about? God only knows what It wasn't
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Speaker 1: just this one incident. The mother has thought, what if?
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Speaker 1: What if nobody had noticed Williamson's behavior that day, even
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Speaker 1: in the confines of her own front yard. She's now
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Speaker 1: making sure she always has eyes on her daughter. Only
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Speaker 1: one foot separated that little girl from convicted child molester
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Speaker 1: Bryan and Williamson. The mother says he caught her attention
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Speaker 1: by talking about Pokemon Go. When officers arrived, they found cookies,
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Speaker 1: a box cutter, and a condom in his pocket. Officers
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Speaker 1: learned that Williamson had recently moved back to Evansville from Tennessee,
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Speaker 1: but had not notified the proper authority. Okay, I don't understand.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand how a registered sex offender can just
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Speaker 1: move from place to place without any implications. I mean,
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Speaker 1: two francy hags, franc I don't understand it. Convicted sex
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Speaker 1: offenders are required under what's called the Sex Offender Registration
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Speaker 1: Notification after Sona. It's a federal law that requires every
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Speaker 1: state to have in place sex offender registries, and every
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Speaker 1: state does have those registries in place, and when someone
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Speaker 1: moves from one state to another, every state requires that
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Speaker 1: they tell the local police in the jurisdiction they're coming
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Speaker 1: to that they're there and that they register and when
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Speaker 1: and if they don't, they face federal charges of failing
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Speaker 1: to register, which is a felony. It has a substantial
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Speaker 1: prison term. But unless someone knows he's moved, he can
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Speaker 1: be lost to the system. Now, the state where he
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Speaker 1: came from should have reported that he was failing to
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Speaker 1: check in on a regular basis and should have sent
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Speaker 1: the information to the US Marshals, who are charged by
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Speaker 1: law with pursuing those who are failing to register as
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Speaker 1: sex offenders. So we don't know all the facts in
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Speaker 1: this case yet, but it's very possible that the marshals
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Speaker 1: were already on his trail right France. CD Jeff Cortes,
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Speaker 1: former FBI special agent A lot of good all that
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Speaker 1: sex offender registering does when you could just pick up
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Speaker 1: leave and go to a brand new state, a brand
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Speaker 1: new jurisdiction, and start targeting eight year old girls on
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Speaker 1: the trampoline, I don't feel good about this at all.
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Speaker 1: Shame shame, shame on his previous jurisdiction. They obviously we're
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Speaker 1: not paying attention to the fact he was not reporting. No, absolutely, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: It's beyond hard to imagine how this can happen, obviously,
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Speaker 1: especially for folks on the outside looking in, so to speak.
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Speaker 1: You know, they it takes a village, as they say,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think the number one takeaway from this
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Speaker 1: for all of us should be to call the police
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Speaker 1: if you see something that doesn't seem right. The neighbor's
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Speaker 1: decision to take action to call the police could have
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Speaker 1: dramatically changed the outcome of that young girl's life, could
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Speaker 1: have saved her life, could have saved the lives of
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Speaker 1: multiple other girls. You know, reporting suspicious behavior works, and
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Speaker 1: this is a great example of that. I mean, communities
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Speaker 1: are the best resource multiplier for law enforcement. When the
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Speaker 1: system fails, the community stepped up, and fortunately in this instance,
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Speaker 1: this neighbor ended up picking up the phone and making
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Speaker 1: that call. Why are we just learning that you have
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Speaker 1: to keep your eyes on your children? I mean, how
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Speaker 1: many child murders and rapes and assaults will it take?
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Speaker 1: I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, Wait, hold on, Bethy, I
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Speaker 1: got another tidbit I want to throw at you. To
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Speaker 1: Joseph Peyton, fourteen News w FIE, Evansville, Indiana, just give
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Speaker 1: me a little sampling of what we know about what
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Speaker 1: was on his phone and his various Google searches. When
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Speaker 1: the police arrived, one of the neighbors mentioned they thought
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Speaker 1: he might have been taking pictures of that little girl
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Speaker 1: while she was sitting on the trampoline. And so when
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Speaker 1: police arrived in there talking to him, of course, he
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Speaker 1: gives them a fake name, and they asked him if
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Speaker 1: they can look at his phone, and he goes ahead
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Speaker 1: and admits to them that he has pictures of naked
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Speaker 1: children on his phone. He admits that upfront, but he
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Speaker 1: says he got them from quote legal websites. And then
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Speaker 1: as this investigation goes on, they get a search warrant
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Speaker 1: and they start looking further. They did find that he
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Speaker 1: actually did have over fifty sexually explicit images of miners
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Speaker 1: on his phone. Now, none of them included any of
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Speaker 1: that little girl he was talking to on that trampoline
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Speaker 1: that day, but they did find over fifty pictures of
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Speaker 1: other sexually explicit images of miners hi guys. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: here a beautiful mom of two. In fact, I call
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Speaker 1: her a Reese Witherspoon look alike because in a lot
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Speaker 1: of pictures that's exactly who she looks like. The mother
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Speaker 1: of two beautiful little children, including an eight year old
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Speaker 1: little girl, is found dead in a bloody bathtub a
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Speaker 1: slip and fall, and her eight year old daughter, Anna
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Speaker 1: is the one that found her. This Saturday, six o'clock Eastern,
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Speaker 1: five Central on Oxygen Injustice with Nancy Grace, we investigate
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Speaker 1: the death of Shelley Danishevsky because I do not believe
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Speaker 1: this was a slip and a fall, and from what
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Speaker 1: I can see, there has been a grave injustice on
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Speaker 1: many levels. Please join us in a search for the
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Speaker 1: truth this Saturday, six pm, Eastern, five Central Injustice with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Thanks guys, Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. After
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Speaker 1: further investigation, fifty nine sexually explicit images of miners were
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Speaker 1: found on his phone, including a Google search of how
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Speaker 1: to rape a little girl. I'm relieved that he won't
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Speaker 1: be out hurting any other kids. They're all sick. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's just nuts, prey on little kids. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: other things to do in this world instead of prey
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Speaker 1: on little ones. Even now, with Williamson facing federal charges
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Speaker 1: of possession of sexually explicit images of miners and failure
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Speaker 1: to register as a sex offender, the mother wonders why
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Speaker 1: her little girl was the target. So I was just
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Speaker 1: mad and asking why would he want to talk to her?
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Speaker 1: And but sick name, early, sick name. You're hearing our
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Speaker 1: friend Joseph Peyton joining us today, fourteen years w FIE, Evansville, Indiana.
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Speaker 1: Mom says there are other things to do in this
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Speaker 1: world beside prey on little girls. Well, one of those
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Speaker 1: things would be watching your child when they're outside alone.
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Speaker 1: You're eight year old, little girl. I'm not blaming mommy.
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Speaker 1: She can't help that a predator is walking amongst us.
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Speaker 1: But I can tell you one thing. I'm gonna watch
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Speaker 1: my children. And if the mom is concerned about their children,
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Speaker 1: watch your child rift a vacuum under the bed? Is
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Speaker 1: that more and poor? I think your child out front alone?
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Speaker 1: I just I don't want to get into the blame
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Speaker 1: game of blaming the mom because it's Brian Williams's fault.
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Speaker 1: He's the one with the box cutter. He's the one
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Speaker 1: with the rubber, He's the one with the cookies. He's
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Speaker 1: the one with the nearly sixty images of child porn
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Speaker 1: on his phone. He's the one who's googling how to
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Speaker 1: rape a little girl. I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, help me. Well,
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Speaker 1: the most significant thing to me, Nancy, is the fact
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Speaker 1: that he had condoms. Don't you think that's an interesting detail? WHOA, WHOA? Why?
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Speaker 1: You can call it interesting. I call it probitive evidence, okay,
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Speaker 1: of an attempted rape on an eight year old little girl. Honey,
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Speaker 1: I would pick that condom up and put it under
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Speaker 1: the nose of twelve garars and say why do you
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Speaker 1: think he had this? And cookies? Well at a box
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Speaker 1: cutter and child porn and googling how do you rape
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Speaker 1: a little girl? I mean, interesting, my rare ant. That's
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Speaker 1: what I call evidence. It's for you, it's evidence. For me,
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Speaker 1: it's behavioral evidence. And what that means is that, well,
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Speaker 1: first of all, it's a perversion. It's a crime to
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Speaker 1: have sex with an eight year old. But the fact
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Speaker 1: that in his sick, twisted mind he thinks he needs
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Speaker 1: a condom means that he, in his mind, is treating
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Speaker 1: her as a much older child than she really is.
22:26
Speaker 1: You use condoms for two reasons. One is so you
22:29
Speaker 1: don't get somebody pregnant, or you don't catch a disease,
22:33
Speaker 1: or maybe in this case, he doesn't want to deposit
22:36
Speaker 1: any evidence that could lead him to the crime. But
22:39
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that smart. I think somehow he
22:42
Speaker 1: thinks that she's an eighteen or nineteen year old, she
22:45
Speaker 1: could get pregnant, and that she wants him. That's how
22:48
Speaker 1: all these sex predators feel. They feel that the victim
22:51
Speaker 1: wants them. It's such an extreme disturbance. How did you
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Speaker 1: manage to weave in she could possibly be eighteen or
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Speaker 1: nineteen years old in his mind? I mean, even if
23:02
Speaker 1: that argument was remotely feasible, which it's not. His Google
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Speaker 1: search said little girl. It didn't say how do you
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Speaker 1: rape an eighteen or nineteen year old? Doctor Bethany, once again,
23:14
Speaker 1: I don't know where you're getting your facts, but hold on,
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Speaker 1: Francy wants, and what I don't understand, Francy is how
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Speaker 1: do you google? How can you google a search how
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Speaker 1: to rape a child? And nobody picks up on that.
23:28
Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, all of the search engines are weeding
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Speaker 1: out political commentary. They don't like what you can't search
23:39
Speaker 1: or locate how to rape a little girl? Well, you know,
23:43
Speaker 1: that's a great question. It's a very complicated matter when
23:46
Speaker 1: you're talking about the synergy in this country of free
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Speaker 1: speech and criminal inquiry, which is what that looked like
23:55
Speaker 1: it could have been. But here we know it was
23:57
Speaker 1: more because of his conduct subsequence that. But you know,
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Speaker 1: the Internet service providers, the electronic service providers that exist
24:05
Speaker 1: Google and the like, all these search engines, what is
24:08
Speaker 1: their responsibility to society? Should they have discovered that that
24:13
Speaker 1: was a search that was being made by someone and
24:15
Speaker 1: reported that information to law enforcement. Those search providers are
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Speaker 1: immunized under federal law from being prosecuted for anything that
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Speaker 1: is taking place on their sites unless they have direct
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Speaker 1: and immediate knowledge of it. And so it is something
24:33
Speaker 1: that has been discussed with search providers for a decade
24:37
Speaker 1: or more about monitoring their systems. It's something that they
24:40
Speaker 1: say they do, but in cases like this, we often
24:43
Speaker 1: discover that if they're doing it, they're not doing it concurrently,
24:47
Speaker 1: they're not doing it fast enough, and they're not reporting
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Speaker 1: it to law enforcement quickly enough to protect children. It
24:53
Speaker 1: was a neighbor who was the reason that children were
24:56
Speaker 1: protected here. Francy Hikes no offense, but Ashley will free
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Speaker 1: speech what Yeah, so, Nancy, here's the issue. You have
25:05
Speaker 1: to also look Yes, she's right, that's the premise of
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Speaker 1: our country, that's the premise that people rely on. However,
25:11
Speaker 1: we also have to look at the danger to society
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Speaker 1: and when you have a perpetrator like this, who is
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Speaker 1: a predator, who is praying on very young children. And
25:20
Speaker 1: I don't care how much education we do, there are
25:22
Speaker 1: always going to be people that do not believe or
25:25
Speaker 1: do not think about the fact there are bad people
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Speaker 1: in the world and they literally have to supervise their
25:29
Speaker 1: children at all time and because of individuals like this man.
25:34
Speaker 1: So there is an interest in the societal interest that
25:37
Speaker 1: I would argue outweighs the right to free speech or
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Speaker 1: privacy when it comes to these predators. To Joseph Peyton,
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Speaker 1: fourteen News w FIE, Evansville, Indiana, Joseph, what I always loved,
25:49
Speaker 1: amongst so many things about prosecuting felonies is what I
25:53
Speaker 1: got to read the indictment, which is the burden of
25:55
Speaker 1: the state at the beginning of a trial. And I
25:57
Speaker 1: always loved it when they defendant had a lot of elias's,
26:03
Speaker 1: like Jackie Howard aka a hot Pants aka busty blonde ak.
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Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on all of her eliases,
26:14
Speaker 1: But the jury starts looking over at the defendant thinking,
26:18
Speaker 1: I don't have an alias? Why does he slash? She
26:23
Speaker 1: need more than one name? So in this case I
26:25
Speaker 1: find it very interesting. Then would cops say who are
26:28
Speaker 1: you when they come up based on this neighbor not mommy,
26:33
Speaker 1: not daddy, but a neighbor notices a weirdo is on
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Speaker 1: the other side of a fence with a phone, apparently
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Speaker 1: taking pictures of a little girl with a cast on
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Speaker 1: her foot on a trampoline. They go, who are you?
26:49
Speaker 1: When the cops arrive, and he gives a fake name,
26:51
Speaker 1: Tell me about that, Joseph Peyton. Obviously he gives them
26:54
Speaker 1: a fake name, and it's because he knows that that
26:56
Speaker 1: you could give them the real name. They're gonna find out,
26:58
Speaker 1: you know exactly who he is, and that he's a
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Speaker 1: convicted child molester. Of course, that's not a good thing
27:03
Speaker 1: for him for what he's trying to do. And the
27:06
Speaker 1: way that the cops are actually able to figure out
27:08
Speaker 1: who he was. They start being very observant and they're
27:11
Speaker 1: looking at him and they're looking around and they're starting
27:13
Speaker 1: to figure out, Okay, things aren't adding up. He's not
27:15
Speaker 1: in our system under this fake name that he gives.
27:17
Speaker 1: And so they noticed he had a tattoo on his
27:19
Speaker 1: shoulder and it was a tattoo of the Tasmanian Devil,
27:23
Speaker 1: and they started running that back and asking people back
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Speaker 1: at headquarters at the police station, do we have anyone
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Speaker 1: that we know has the Tasmanian Devil tattoo on their shoulder?
27:32
Speaker 1: And lo and behold they figured out Brian Williamson. Does
27:36
Speaker 1: they start looking into it and it matches up. Of course,
27:38
Speaker 1: they see the previous conviction. It matches up with the
27:41
Speaker 1: call that they're on right there where he's talking to
27:43
Speaker 1: an eight year old little girl, and and that's how
27:45
Speaker 1: they were They were able to identify him pretty quickly
27:48
Speaker 1: at that point in time. Well, during all this, where
27:50
Speaker 1: was mommy? Did she come out from the vacuum cleaner?
27:52
Speaker 1: Did she notice cops were in the backyard? Mom is
27:55
Speaker 1: inside at hey man, it's it's a really small front
28:00
Speaker 1: yard and at a really small house. And really you
28:02
Speaker 1: could you could probably hear a lot of what was
28:04
Speaker 1: going on if a child was outside playing and being loud,
28:07
Speaker 1: but a small, quiet conversation that she was probably having
28:11
Speaker 1: with Brian Williamson, the mom wouldn't have been able to
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Speaker 1: hear that. And so the mom says she was inside
28:16
Speaker 1: just doing normal things in the kitchen. It was about
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Speaker 1: six seven o'clock in the evening, and yeah, she was
28:22
Speaker 1: just outside planning with trampoline for fifteen twenty minutes, and
28:25
Speaker 1: you know this happened. Well, you know what I can't
28:27
Speaker 1: say in all honesty, I can't say that my children
28:31
Speaker 1: have never gone in the yard. And I came in
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Speaker 1: to do X Y or Z, get a drink, get
28:36
Speaker 1: a treat for the dog, I turn off the stove.
28:39
Speaker 1: I don't know what, so before I rail on the
28:41
Speaker 1: mom too much, we've all done it. I think we've
28:44
Speaker 1: all done it, and that includes me. So okay, this
28:48
Speaker 1: is what I'm gathering, Joseph Peyton that this guy not
28:52
Speaker 1: only had an open arrestaurant in Tennessee from the Dunlight
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Speaker 1: Police Department, but also he had the child molestation conviction
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Speaker 1: in Indiana. So that's telling me he had more than one.
29:05
Speaker 1: Let me just say you formistically brush with the law
29:19
Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace a small front and backyard.
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Speaker 1: Mom is inside just a matter of fifteen twenty minutes,
29:30
Speaker 1: and it's around six or seven o'clock. That means it's
29:32
Speaker 1: still daylight. You know, I've got another question to you,
29:35
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. We know that he has this guy,
29:40
Speaker 1: Brian Williamson approached the eighth the same eight year old
29:43
Speaker 1: little girl three times at least. How do I know
29:46
Speaker 1: there's not more? How do I know he hasn't already
29:49
Speaker 1: molested her in some way, and not only that they're
29:53
Speaker 1: like roaches, sexific child sex offenders if they have If
29:58
Speaker 1: he has been approaching this little girl three times, I
30:01
Speaker 1: guarantee you there are others. Like a route, where there's one,
30:05
Speaker 1: you see one, there's a hundred, you just can't see them. Well, Nancy,
30:07
Speaker 1: the research backs this up that there are multiple victims,
30:10
Speaker 1: especially when you have an extra familial offender, meaning this
30:14
Speaker 1: little girl is not a part of his primary family,
30:17
Speaker 1: and you have an intrafamilial offender, meaning he molested a
30:21
Speaker 1: three year old who is his own biological relative. When
30:25
Speaker 1: you have intrafamilial offenders, the offender the victim count goes
30:31
Speaker 1: way up. So yes, we have multiple victims. And also
30:36
Speaker 1: even if he didn't touch her, just the fact that
30:38
Speaker 1: he approached her seduced her and she engaged in conversations
30:42
Speaker 1: with him. She knows he's creepy. I mean, she began
30:46
Speaker 1: to become a victim before he ever laid a finger
30:49
Speaker 1: on her, So she is already a victim. You know.
30:51
Speaker 1: It's also interesting Doctor Bethany Marshall and Anity Shrink. I
30:54
Speaker 1: may need a whole team from Vienna on this one.
30:56
Speaker 1: I feel that somehow that the fact that she had
30:59
Speaker 1: a cast on her foot, that purple cast. I feel
31:02
Speaker 1: that in some way that ties into him picking her
31:06
Speaker 1: because I mean, look at, for instance, Cherish Perriwinkle, her
31:10
Speaker 1: mom raining Periwinkle Cheras, she was taken out of a
31:12
Speaker 1: superstore buy a perp, brutally, brutally tortured and murdered. He
31:19
Speaker 1: picked her out because she had a problem. She was
31:24
Speaker 1: in an underprivileged family, a single mom who was overburdened
31:30
Speaker 1: at that moment, trying to buy clothes for three all
31:32
Speaker 1: little bitty girls didn't have enough money. He picked her out.
31:36
Speaker 1: Like a hawk up in the sky spots a rat
31:40
Speaker 1: under a leaf. They see an infirmity, they see a
31:45
Speaker 1: problem and issue a deficiency, and they zone in on
31:48
Speaker 1: that child. I think that's absolutely true. But not only that,
31:52
Speaker 1: but it gives gives him something to talk about. Oh
31:55
Speaker 1: tell me about your cast. Oh what did you do
31:57
Speaker 1: to your foot? Oh can I autograph your cast? I
32:00
Speaker 1: mean there's two layers to it. A little girl who's
32:04
Speaker 1: in her front yard on a trampoline without the parents,
32:07
Speaker 1: so extremely vulnerable, and she now cannot run away. I
32:11
Speaker 1: mean she is a sitting duck. So yes, I do
32:13
Speaker 1: think that they prey on children who have vulnerabilities, and
32:18
Speaker 1: not just sadly a child with a cast on their leg,
32:21
Speaker 1: but children who have maybe mental defects, are anxious, shy,
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Speaker 1: unable to defend themselves. Oh, Nancy. They prey on whole
32:31
Speaker 1: families who are vulnerable, like single moms, and as you
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Speaker 1: pointed out, families who don't have enough money. Anything that
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Speaker 1: makes the family weaker in society makes them more attractive
32:41
Speaker 1: target for the perpetrator. Joseph Peyton fourteen needs fie question
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Speaker 1: to you. We know of at least three prior instances
32:50
Speaker 1: where this convicted child sex offender, Brian Williamson, age thirty one,
32:56
Speaker 1: had approached this little girl three priors. This would make
32:59
Speaker 1: the four mom and daddy on those instances, because I mean,
33:04
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not a mathematician, but in my mind this
33:07
Speaker 1: means there are now four instances of this child being unsupervised,
33:12
Speaker 1: unwatched while a convicted sex predator gets close enough to
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Speaker 1: her to get her phone. It's around her long enough
33:23
Speaker 1: to download an app. And who knows what else? Am I?
33:27
Speaker 1: Am I wrong in my math? Or is this not
33:29
Speaker 1: the fourth time she has been unsupervised? And this perv
33:33
Speaker 1: is around this little angel. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And
33:37
Speaker 1: what's wild about it is when I was talking with
33:39
Speaker 1: the mother, she had no idea this was, you know,
33:42
Speaker 1: another encounter that she had with this man, until after
33:46
Speaker 1: it had already happened. Of course, this little eight year
33:49
Speaker 1: old girl didn't think to even tell her mom. You know,
33:52
Speaker 1: obviously you heard the mom say in the story there
33:54
Speaker 1: that she thought this man was a friend. Now she
33:57
Speaker 1: did mention it to her grandmother, is what the mom
33:59
Speaker 1: told me. The little girl had had a conversation with
34:01
Speaker 1: her grandmother that you know, a man said hi to her.
34:03
Speaker 1: But people just must not have thought that there was
34:07
Speaker 1: anything too it. Obviously, people in the neighborhood that were
34:09
Speaker 1: watching thought maybe this is a little bit suspicious, but
34:12
Speaker 1: they must have just given this man the benefit of
34:14
Speaker 1: the doubt. And one other thing I wanted to mention
34:17
Speaker 1: that is even more scary about this, since there's a
34:20
Speaker 1: four foot fence in this yard, but the trampoline fits
34:23
Speaker 1: even with that fence. So really, if this man was
34:27
Speaker 1: sitting right in front of her as she's on the
34:28
Speaker 1: trampline talking to her, there was nothing preventing him from
34:31
Speaker 1: just going ahead and grabbing her and taking her wherever
34:34
Speaker 1: he wanted to. I've managed to get to the bottom
34:36
Speaker 1: of a few more facts about Brian Eugene Williamson. He
34:41
Speaker 1: is classified as a violent against children's sexual offender. He's
34:46
Speaker 1: been convicted of child less station in Indiana. In April,
34:51
Speaker 1: he was arrested by the Dunlap Police Department for indecent exposure.
34:56
Speaker 1: He was released from custody on that offense just a
35:00
Speaker 1: few months ago. And here he turns up in Evansville, Indiana,
35:05
Speaker 1: approaching an eight year old little girl. What what? What? What?
35:12
Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott. This is the fourth instance of this little
35:16
Speaker 1: eight year old girl being unsupervised that we know of.
35:21
Speaker 1: And I find it very hard to believe. One of
35:24
Speaker 1: the few math classes that I remotely liked with statistics, okay, statistically,
35:29
Speaker 1: I find it very hard to believe that on four
35:32
Speaker 1: occasions only he managed to find this little girl and
35:36
Speaker 1: have conversation with her and get close enough to download
35:40
Speaker 1: apps on her phone. How many times has he been
35:42
Speaker 1: around her? What may have happened that we don't know about. Well,
35:45
Speaker 1: that's what really worries me, is especially to do the
35:48
Speaker 1: downloading of apps. It means that a parent is not
35:51
Speaker 1: just saying like all of us do, like, Oh, it's okay,
35:53
Speaker 1: they're out playing on the trampoline. I'm gonna vacuum real
35:55
Speaker 1: quick and then grab them. All of us do those
35:57
Speaker 1: things with our kids. However, it had to have been
36:00
Speaker 1: to an extent that he had the opportunity. These perpetrators
36:05
Speaker 1: picked their victims. They prey on those who are vulnerable.
36:09
Speaker 1: He knew he had already identified that this little girl
36:12
Speaker 1: was left alone more than once was available for him
36:15
Speaker 1: to not only see, not only sit next to, but
36:18
Speaker 1: to spend time grooming. And that's the problem. This child
36:22
Speaker 1: was vulnerable because he knew she was left alone too often,
36:26
Speaker 1: too long, and he could groom her to Joseph Peyton
36:29
Speaker 1: fourteen years w FIE, Evansville, Indiana. What now? Where is he?
36:33
Speaker 1: Right now? He's being held without bond in the Vadeberg
36:35
Speaker 1: County jail. And after the search warrants came out and
36:39
Speaker 1: they found all these images on his phone day, they
36:41
Speaker 1: bumped his charges up. He's facing federal charges now, so
36:44
Speaker 1: of course he could serve a pretty steep penalty for
36:47
Speaker 1: all of this. So right now he's not going anywhere.
36:49
Speaker 1: They're keeping him without bond in the VanderBurg County Jail,
36:52
Speaker 1: where he belongs. If you have any information on this
36:56
Speaker 1: or any other offense toward a child, or if you're
36:59
Speaker 1: eating suspicious dial one eight hundred four a child one
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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend,