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#167: Infinity Pool (2023) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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Hello, What's your least favorite scary movie?
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I specialize in failing naturally.
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Well, don't know what your least favorite scary movie The
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podcasts are We talking about? The good, the bad, the ugly and
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the absurd. And all of our favorite and
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least favorite scary movies, because we believe every horror
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movie rightfully has is fanbase. Even if we don't always get it,
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My name is Travis, my name is Jesse, and today we are diving
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into some more recent horror 2023's Infinity Pool.
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But legacy writer director Brandon Cronenberg, son of.
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Yes, you guessed it. That Cronenberg.
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You're gonna say Brandon Lee Cronenberg, son.
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Just for me, Cronenberg, son. Yeah, because that's the energy
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that you need to approach with this movie, right?
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Absolutely. I hope Papa's proud.
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Yeah, me too. Man.
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I'm surprised we haven't talked about like more Cronenberg the
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elder Cronenberg before. The fly a fuck we have.
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Never mind, Okay, almost a year ago.
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Exactly, Okay. So first announcements, our
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schedule came out late because we were celebrating the start of
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Halloween season. Duh.
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Yeah, but we did have it made-up for quite a while, so.
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You know, there is that. But that means that, surprise,
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we had our tube Here not to be bonus episode this week and it
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actually kicked off September for us.
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That's right. So you're covering the resort,
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which thematically ties into this movie, though not
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intentionally in any way, shape or form.
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I just am feeling Island Horror lately.
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Yeah, we have actually watched at least three this past week,
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so. Yes, if you haven't seen
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influence around Shutter yet, would recommend absolutely.
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It's a good time. But it's I like, I had that vibe
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in my head and I was like. We're gonna watch the Resort for
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two here not to be. So go ahead and check that out,
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get our thoughts on that, and decide to check out the movie
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for yourself and form your own opinion on it.
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Yes, please do. Then message us on social media
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and telling us how you feel about it.
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Yes, please do. Yeah.
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Cuz I really wanna hear. I wanna hear all sides of it.
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If you've seen the resort, please let us know, cuz I'm
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curious to hear what other people have to think about that.
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One, yes. All right.
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But before we get to this week's episode, do you want to share
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some poll results? I sure do.
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Travie Whabi, Yes, Yes. OK, so we did our episode on 28
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Days Later last week. So this time we did a choose
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your character. We wanted to know.
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I and I hope everybody like just the like, loading screen, the
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idol, like, yeah, my scene where everybody's just like standing
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up. And squatting a little bit,
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Yeah, whenever I did that, I shared the little Smash Bros
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character selects. It's my jam right there.
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So yeah, we just wanted to know out of 28 Days later, who would
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you be out of the protagonists that we get?
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So your options were James or is it James or Jim?
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I think he goes by Jim. Jim, yes.
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But I feel like James is probably his legal name.
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Yeah. OK, Jim.
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Jimothy, Jimothy, Selena, Frank, or Hannah?
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So on Instagram, 67% were Jim, 22 were Selena, eleven were
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Frank, and zero were Hannah. And then over on Twitter, 17
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were Jim, Fifty were Selena, 17 were Frank, 16 were Hannah.
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Realistically, I would probably be Canada.
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Like, I want to be badass like Selena, but I feel like I'd have
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to build up to that. But I do think I'd want to do
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the whole like, hey, we all do need each other, but also we
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need to be pragmatic to survive. Yeah, I I feel like, like I said
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the last time, I, you know, maybe a Frank, I don't know,
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just try and like, have a good time.
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Yeah. You know, be nice.
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Off road cab. That's your chance to do it
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right there. The apocalypse.
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Just fucking ramp that shit. By the way, I don't know if
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we'll continue to do polls on Twitter because I just saw
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recently that they're going to only let verify people vote on
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those. I know they announced that a
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while back and it didn't go into effect on the previous date.
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So I wonder if that's, yeah, we're also just Speaking of
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Twitter because they are going to start.
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Stealing information for AI purposes?
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Not only that. If you like our trailers and you
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like Travis's artwork, you're going to need to just look for
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that on our other social media accounts, because we don't want.
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His work to be claimed by Twitter.
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Yeah, I just. And I don't want our voices.
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And I don't want our voices for AI purposes.
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But definitely don't want that. So yeah, they announced that at
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like the end of September, if you post an image or anything on
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Twitter, you are giving them the licensing, like the ability to
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use that and claim it and use it for their own purpose.
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So I don't like that. Yeah, I'm gonna do that.
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So I'm getting more and more fed up with Twitter, and I'm
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honestly, yeah, just considering stopping with it entirely.
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Yeah, So I it's it's getting concerning.
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And yeah, we've already joined some other social media apps
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that'll give you that fix with, you know, some not shitty
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people. And I have to get back into
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Discord again, some way. I can join some of the groups
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that I like, like Mutant Fam and the Pod Latham Lead 'em Pod like
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any of the Yeah. Or we can have our own discord
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too. You know what I mean.
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Oh my God. I can't handle modding a disc
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word. Well, yeah, OK, so I just can't.
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Maybe down the line. I don't know.
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All right. Anyway, that's it.
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Are we ready to talk about s s titties?
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Titties. SST titties SST.
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CTS. Yep, Yep.
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Let's do it. OK, Infinity pool premiered.
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January 21st, 2023 at Sundance Film Festival with a ride
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released a week later. Really.
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Yeah, what the fuck? How did that happen?
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I don't know because I saw like Sundance Film Festival in
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January and I was like, I feel like we watched this in January.
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That was correct. Yeah.
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Don't they, like, usually do that stuff that way they dance?
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Yeah. Well, they do that for, like,
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studios to buy the movies to distribute, Right.
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That's what I always thought, I guess.
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I don't know. I don't obviously submit things
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to festivals. He said Fuck you, I'm a
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Cronenberg, yeah. I'm just here to show off.
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You all have heard of mine, Betty.
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Betty We watched it on Hulu, which is currently the only
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streaming service it is on, but you can also rent it from Red
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Box Prime, Voodoo, Google Player, YouTube written and
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directed by Brandon Cronenberg, music by Tim Hecker, and special
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effects makeup by 13 Finger Effects.
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Good job on their part. Sorry if you can hear Zoe
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meowing in the background, but she thinks that anytime we're
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recording that means that it's dinner time.
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Well, she's she throws a fit because she can't be with us and
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I don't. She just doesn't care for that.
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Yeah, it's it's a mixture of closed doors.
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And yeah, she hates closed doors, and she hates not having
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food in her bowl. And right now, there's both.
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OK, starring Alexander Skarsgard is James Foster.
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Cleopatra Coleman is M Foster. Mia Goth is Gabby Bauer.
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Jaleel Lesper is Alden Bauer. And Thomas Crashman is Detective
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Thresh. All right, Travis, time for our
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favorite game. Budget Oh, but.
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Dad, isn't it so nice to do that together instead of going rogue
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and doing it on your own? Yeah, sometimes Rogue is.
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Fun, especially whenever you're unhinged.
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But yeah, OK, I think I have a feeling that this is, like,
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barely budget. OK, so there wasn't actually a
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budget listener on IMDb or Wikipedia, according to another
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source. It is a $4.5 million budget.
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Wow, that's really low. Yeah, honestly.
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Opening box office of 2.5 million and a worldwide gross of
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5.2 million. Wow, I can't believe it barely
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made any money. I know, it was like that was a
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wide release, right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure, huh?
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But I also it's one of those weird ones that I could see not
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staying and think because I. I want to say it maybe it was
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this one that my mom said she wanted to go see and it was out
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of theaters, like within a week where she was at.
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That does happen. That happened with us, with Bo
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is afraid. Yeah, which, like, that's like,
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we're in a major city for Kentucky.
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So like, we get those weird releases for longer, usually.
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So that one was weird with Bo was afraid, Yeah.
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But yeah, where my mom's at, it's a little bit less weird for
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stuff to just disappear like that, especially.
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A movie like this? Yeah.
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Oh God, this one. Is so fucking weird.
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I pulled 3 movies from this year and because I know we previously
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covered something else from 20230 Scream 6 Screevy.
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Yes. Well, not only that, we did
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something else too, didn't we? No, I guess it was it.
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I know it was at least that. So I wanted to pull movies that
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we haven't spoken of, that we haven't seen yet.
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OK, because I'm pretty sure with Scream six I also put like.
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Evil Dead Rise in Infinity pool. I was trying to pull movies we
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had seen. So this is movies we haven't
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seen. OK, first one being the
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boogeyman. Oh yeah.
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That was released June 2nd, 2023 that had a budget of $35 million
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in a worldwide gross of $67,000,000 and has a 6.0 out of
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10 on IMDb. That's the Stephen King one,
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right? Yes, OK.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Second, the Last Voyage of the Demeter, which you will find out
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in a moment, definitely flopped to the box office.
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But from everybody that we know that has seen it, they said it's
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really good and you should check it out as soon as you have a
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chance to watch it. That's what I've heard.
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And then I went online and I saw other people discussing it.
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A lot of people like it. And then there is a crowd of
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people that are like it was actually kind of, yeah, you
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know, like, I'm not personally drawn to those types of movies.
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It's vampire shit I don't typically like.
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I'm just not like a big person on like the monster type movies
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like that. Yeah, but that released August
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11th, 2023 budget of $45,000,000 in a worldwide gross of
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19,000,000. Oh man, that's a bad one.
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Shit. But it has a 6.2 out of 10 on
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IMDb. Yeah, I mean hearing good things
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about it. And the third movie is Insidious
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the Red Door. Listen, y'all this might be an
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unpopular opinion. I just don't give a shit about
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the Insidious movies. I don't either.
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I've tried. I've tried.
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I there are moments of them that are tense but like it's a lot to
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sit through a movie and just. I will always remember watching
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the first one though. I was alone in my dorm room and
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I had the whites out and that ending of the first Insidious is
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super effective and it's creepy and it leaves you feeling
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scared. Or it did me at least.
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And you know, like. Other than that, I just don't
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really care for it though. Like and I like Rose Byrne and
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Patrick Wilson. Like I feel like I should.
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I like spooky stuff. I like dream realms.
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Yeah, I like James Wan, but like.
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Insidious just didn't do it for me.
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This is a Jim Patrick Wilson's directorial debut.
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Yeah, and the premise of it seemed interesting enough.
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So I think I really feel like you don't have to watch the
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whole series to care about this newest one either.
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This could be completely inaccurate, but I feel like he
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told like a better version of the story with The Conjuring.
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So that released June 7th, July 7th, 2023.
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Budget of $16,000,000 and a worldwide gross of $188,000,000.
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Because we're in the minority of not caring about Insidious.
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I had no idea did that well. Yeah, wow.
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Yeah, that's one of those, like non horror people will be like,
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Oh yeah, Insidious movies, they're awesome people.
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People try and talk to me about him all the time and I'm like, I
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just, I don't care. Isn't weird that they call the
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demon like the lipstick demon? Lipstick face?
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Yeah, why just? This guy?
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Just call it Darth Maul. Darth Maul is what it is.
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Like Where do you get the lipstick from?
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It's just face paint. Like face paint demon.
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Like, do you realize how much lipstick you would waste like.
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Putting all of that over your face.
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Like over your whole face. Was that dubbed by fans or is
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that what I think? That's one of those, like kind
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of how the shark in Jaws isn't formally called Bruce.
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It's just what everybody started calling it.
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Yeah, that's what. That's what they named it on
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set. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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Like that's not like the movie saying.
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That's what the name. I see what you're saying.
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OK. Yeah.
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Yeah yeah, it has a 5.5 out of 10 on IMDb.
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OK. So about the maybes I picked for
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this week? Don't have A tag line.
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This doesn't have A tag line either.
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No. What the fuck?
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Guys? Come on.
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Infinity. This one.
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Come on. OK, we got.
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We gotta do it. We gotta.
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Come up with one hang. Enough with the resort, but I
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knew that this would break you having two in a row.
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This is a major release. Come on.
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Well, whatever. OK, I guess, Like, honestly, the
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poster for this is a it's striking enough.
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Like you see Skarsgard in the pool of what?
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Maybe blood, I guess. I don't know.
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Like what? Like you don't know until you
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watch the movie. Yeah.
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Like it It it grabs you. I'll give them that.
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I I'm also very sparse on the fun facts.
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I have a couple of pieces of information though.
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Well, Cronenberg is being very discreet with all of the stuff.
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So principal photography took place across five weeks starting
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September 6th, 2021. They shot 12 days in.
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I'm sorry if I mispronounced this, Sinbenak, Croatia.
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And then the rest was shot in Budapest, Hungary.
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And yeah, so he wrote this screenplay with the intention of
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directing it, which I thought was common but maybe isn't.
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If you're a writer, director, but I don't, I don't know.
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He's also very new. This is his second feature film.
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So that's true. Yeah, I wanna.
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I still haven't seen Possessor. I really, really wanna watch
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that. But he wrote this.
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It was a combination of a scifi story he was working on about
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killing clones, and then also some, like, unpleasant
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experiences that he had on vacations.
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Really. Yeah, huh.
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Do you think, Do you think he feels like he has to, like,
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follow his dad's lead and make weird horror movies?
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I don't know if he feels like, I mean, maybe there's some
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pressure there, like just from, you know, the name Cronenberg
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automatically you think body horror.
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Mmhmm. And that also is probably like,
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he grew up around that kind of stuff and he's just like, yeah,
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weird shit, let's do it. That's true.
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Yeah, because both of his movies involve body horror for sure.
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I mean, yeah, I haven't seen possessor, but I know enough
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about it till like, no. Yeah, so that's that's all I
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have for fun facts. I didn't even like get fun
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information about like casting. Usually there's something, but
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it's just like Ohh scars. Carp was announced and Goth was
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announced. Well, this is a fun fact that
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isn't relevant to any of this. It's just I like to mention it
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because I think it's funny. John Carpenter, I guess.
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I had a falling out with his dad and he talks about how far up
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his own ass he is all the time because he takes himself way too
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seriously. He he buys his own hype.
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He smells his own farts. If you will, if you yes, and I
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think I don't know, there's some information about Cronenberg, a
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different Cronenberg. But you know, I mean, I I just
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like talking about when I break in.
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Wait, but you said John Carpenter had a falling out.
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Oh, with. The elder Cronenberg?
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Yes. OK, OK.
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He had some fallout with his dad, and I thought you meant
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John Carpenter's dad. No, no, no, no.
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I. Was like, yeah, no.
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Like, yeah, sometimes dads do think too highly of themselves
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and you have to cut them off. Like, I was like, but how does
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that tie into this David Cronenberg?
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Yeah, yeah, no, he like, they were tight for a little bit.
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They had. There was like a whole thing
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that they were doing where all of these historical horror
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directors would get together and hang out.
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That's. Fun.
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Yeah. Well then it stopped being fun.
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Apparently whenever, you know the alter, Cronenberg got up his
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own butt hole and John Carpenter is very much a curmudgeon, as we
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talked about the other day. Oh my God.
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But in the best possible way. Yeah, like he's the type of
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curmudgeon that you want to get like whiskey meat with him and
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just kind of like bitch about kids these days.
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Honestly, this is on like another podcast that I saw that,
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like he was on a podcast and they were talking about
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Cronenberg. He's like, ah yeah, fuck that
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guy is. It's great.
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It's super entertaining. Look it up if you can.
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It's on YouTube, okay. Well, there we go.
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All right, so we're ready to talk about good, bad, ugly, and
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absurd. All right.
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I'm sure we have a lot of that. Yes, yes, yes.
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OK. Charles looks good with you,
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Okay. The first thing I had written
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down. I think Alexander Skarsgard does
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a great job of selling confused desperation.
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He looks like a shivering Chihuahua for the first half of
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the movie and also portions of the last half too.
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It's he. He's great in this movie, I
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think. He really is.
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He sells all of the things that his character goes through
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because his character goes through a lot.
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The Skarsgard family is really good at making their faces look
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different, like throughout a single movie or like.
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How is that one man dude like whenever he is filling himself
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and is? Spitting the cherries.
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Spitting the cherries. Yeah, I remember.
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It's the day after they've killed the Yeah, there was our
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owner. That's when he's filling himself
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with those, OK, yeah, no. I'm thinking like whenever he is
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like beating the shit out of himself and he slicks his hair
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back and then he starts doing like a.
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Little piece of shit, yeah, he's doing almost like Matthew
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McConaughey on Wolf of Wall Street, except it's like.
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Weirder cuz he's like, yeah, yeah, everybody's like, whoa, I
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like that. But he's really feeling himself.
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And then whenever he did that, yeah, he looks different, but I
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don't know, he goes through a lot and he has to play different
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versions of himself constantly because there are double s and
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he does a great job with it. Yeah, I think that the the ECHI
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I think is what it was. The ECHI masks that they have
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are super uncomfortable. They whenever they those are
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brought on to the scene, it just kind of adds like another layer
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of horror. Whoever designed this such great
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job. If you haven't watched this
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tryptophobia trigger warning, it was a fucking jump scare for me.
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The one mask every time it jumped up just holes everywhere.
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It's pretty bad. It's like how the movie like.
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That's the second cut in the movie.
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Yeah. And I just love the concept of
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this movie. I like the idea of being able to
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double yourself and have that, pay the consequences.
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And I like the. I just like how, like there's so
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much potential with that concept.
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And this movie goes in a way that I wasn't really
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anticipating, and I like the way it went.
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But even if I didn't like this movie, I still think that I
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would like have a good enough time just because of what all is
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going on. I'm going to piggyback off of
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that for my good because obviously I agree the
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performance in this are all stellar.
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There's not a weak performance in it.
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I like that it didn't take the expected turn.
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And I feel like they kind of even wink, wink, nudge, nudge at
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the audience about that, where they have the one character say,
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hey, do you worry that they got the wrong person?
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Because that's a terrifying concept.
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But I love that we didn't go in that direction.
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Instead, we have a bunch of rich assholes like, willing to pay
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the fine, You know what I mean? And that's a concept that we
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talked about in grad school, where, like, if you're going to
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have, like, a reward system or a consequence system, then it
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needs to be effective because it it needs to be something like if
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it's a reward, it needs to tie to the behavior you're
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rewarding. And if it's a consequence, it
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needs to be steep enough to actually have an impact.
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And I've read stories online of people being like, Oh yeah, no,
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my rich friends just consider parking tickets, like the cost
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of parking somewhere. Like, they don't care.
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It's not going to make them stop parking in a handicap spot or
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whatever because they're willing to pay the fine.
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It's not a big enough hit to them.
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And I like that. That's the route that we take
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with this movie. And there's a lot more that I'll
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probably talk about as we go through in terms of like how we
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treat criminals and different cultures and stuff like that.
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There's a lot of really rich commentary in this very fucked
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up movie. Yeah.
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And I think it's it's really just interesting to dissect.
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Yeah, what's your bad? OK, so I agree with you.
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I do like that they cut that and they went with like a whole
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other direction with it. I like that they got up front
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with it, but. I do feel like there were missed
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opportunities with the concept. See, there was parts of me that
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was thinking, OK, we could really explore how fucked up it
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is to witness seeing you being killed over and over again and
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like see how that impacts the character.
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I mean, I guess we kind of do see that in a way, but like
22:03
really, we don't really dive into it.
22:05
We just kind of see the things happen.
22:08
And we don't really dive into the effects of it.
22:11
What I would have liked to have happened was with each doubling
22:15
event, it breaks a little bit of you, the original, down more and
22:21
more each time. So as you continue, you can
22:25
continue to do that, but the more you do it, the less you you
22:29
become. So I understand you're not fully
22:33
familiar with all of the Harry Potter lore, but you're
22:35
essentially describing Voldemort.
22:37
Is that what really happened? Continue Ohh.
22:39
OK. I just, I just again, no finish
22:44
your thoughts and then I'll share my thoughts.
22:45
Well, OK, so like because there were parts where something like
22:48
this would happen. So whenever he starts doing the
22:51
the ECU route and he starts to trip and he starts to see things
22:55
and you see like parts of the mask.
22:57
I was starting to like think it would be cool if that's what
23:02
they actually looked like after the fact, but they just aren't
23:05
capable of seeing it. But like, whenever he does the
23:08
hosynogenic stuff, he can actually get like a glimpse of
23:11
what people are actually looking like.
23:13
Like, physically they're breaking down.
23:14
But also like, there's just like parts of themselves that could
23:17
be deteriorating too. OK, I like that thought.
23:21
That's what I like. I would have liked exploring
23:23
stuff like that, but instead what we end up getting is like,
23:28
OK, so then he kills, he does something bad and they kill
23:33
another version of him. And then rinse and repeat like
23:37
multiple times throughout the movie.
23:38
And then like, that's it. And I get what you're saying and
23:42
I get that that's a legitimate criticism that a lot of people
23:45
have about this movie. But for me, I like that we got a
23:49
different take on it. I love that we got the story
23:53
that we got because I like just rich assholes enjoying being
23:56
rich assholes. I think that's and like
24:00
ultimately none of it fucking matters to them.
24:04
And that being what breaks in at the end.
24:06
I love that and I think that's great.
24:09
Again, I fully understand the people that wanted it to be more
24:13
about, like the ethics of cloning a ship of Theseus as a
24:16
human being, if you will. Like I get it, But I just feel
24:21
like we've seen it before, and I'm so glad that we got this
24:23
story instead. I mean, I I like what we got
24:27
too. I just, I don't know.
24:28
I I would have liked to at least explore certain things.
24:32
Like you don't have to fully go like fully into like, I don't
24:35
know, I just don't feel like we ever linger on any of the
24:38
consequences of it. And I think there are hints of
24:41
that, like the cloning process doing something to people
24:44
because, like, M is horrified watching the clone of James get
24:51
murdered. Yeah.
24:52
Like she's horrified at it. And she doesn't understand why
24:54
he's not more horrified. And, you know, they talk about
24:57
like the cloning process making you different.
25:00
So I mean, there's hints of that there.
25:01
It's just not the main point of the story.
25:03
Yeah, I guess there are hints of it.
25:06
OK, well that was my bad. So what's yours?
25:09
My bad is probably. I guess my bad would just be, I
25:18
don't know, I I want, I want a little bit more of the group
25:25
dynamics. I guess the the double club, if
25:28
you will. That's what I called him in my
25:31
notes. I had to think about for a
25:33
second. Was like, oh, OK, yeah, yeah.
25:34
Because, like, I like, I was really excited when I saw Amanda
25:37
Brigale because she's, she plays Rita in Handmaid's Tale.
25:41
Which one was she? She is the the not blonde one in
25:46
this city. Yeah.
25:47
So you've got Mia, Goff and Becks and Jennifer.
25:50
She's Jennifer and the non blonde one.
25:53
OK, And she's a really good actress and it's fun seeing her
25:56
in this role instead of, you know, servant role in an
26:00
impressive society. So.
26:02
Yeah. Here she's the Privileged, yeah.
26:05
Yeah, It's, it's nice seeing that side of her.
26:07
I just wish we'd gotten a little bit more of the rest of them
26:11
because, you know, like the dynamic, like the toxic group
26:15
dynamic of them as a whole, I think would have, like, better
26:19
benefited instead of it just being like Mia Goth is the head
26:22
bitch in charge and everybody else is going along with her.
26:25
Yeah, really, that's what it is. And they're like, clearly
26:27
they've all been friends for years.
26:30
So like it just, I don't know. It would have been nice to see
26:32
that a little bit more, Yeah. Not necessarily a ton more,
26:36
because that's not the main point of the story, but just a
26:38
little bit. Just a little bit to the point
26:40
where like, I would want to include the other characters in
26:43
my list of stars. Yeah, but yeah, you can't really
26:47
'cause yeah, they aren't really explored.
26:49
Yeah, they get a few lines each, but.
26:52
That's, yeah, the focus is on those other people, mostly even
26:55
like Alden or Alden. He's like Mia Goth's husband.
26:59
But like, you don't really get a super big portion of him.
27:03
Like, he's just kind of there, you know?
27:06
You're the Walmart celebrities. Yeah, his Christoff Tango
27:13
instead of Christoff Waltz. Ah yeah, a little bit.
27:19
I can see that one, all I see it in his face and then obviously
27:22
they have like similar accents. Yeah, yeah.
27:26
Not 100%. I'm not saying all Europeans
27:28
sound the same. Obviously that's not true.
27:30
But like, they're facial features.
27:32
He's just a lot taller than Christoph Waltz.
27:33
Was that mean a goth's actual accident?
27:35
Isn't she actually Scottish? No, she's she's Scottish.
27:40
No, she's not. She's Argentinian and British.
27:42
Oh, OK, yeah. Like she's.
27:44
And her mother is actually like, no, she's got, she's got a lot
27:48
of ethnicities mixed in there, and she grew up several
27:52
different places, but the main ones that I'm remembering off
27:54
the top of my head are Argentinian and British.
27:57
So yeah, her voice actually is like that, OK, She just she's
28:01
pretty good at putting on accents for Ty W at the very
28:04
least. She does a good Southern accent.
28:06
Yeah, I'll. Tell you that much?
28:08
OK, ugly. I mean, the whole act of having
28:12
to be forced to watch a version of yourself be killed is
28:18
terrifying. That concept is crazy to me,
28:22
especially when the double. Fully believes that they're the
28:26
person. They don't have any idea that
28:29
there's like another one of them.
28:31
What if you catch a glimpse of yourself out in the audience?
28:33
Like, we didn't get to see that, but like, what if they made eye
28:36
contact because they're clearly there, Yeah.
28:39
Like, it's very upsetting, that whole idea.
28:42
Like just like I'm putting myself in that perspective and
28:46
it's just a terrible thing to like, have to experience seeing
28:49
yourself die and also just the whole.
28:53
Fact that they are fucking around with a lot of people's
28:57
lives and just not having any care about it, Yes.
29:03
Like, they're this country is their playground.
29:07
Exactly. It's like, they're they're rich
29:09
tourists and the local customs don't matter to them.
29:13
And they're constantly like saying, oh, it's barbaric.
29:15
And I feel like there's a lot I could say like, honestly, is our
29:20
justice system 100% sound? Do we treat prisoners well?
29:24
Do we treat people that have served their time and have left
29:28
jail? Well, we don't.
29:29
Can you buy yourself out of prison if you're wishing to?
29:32
Yes, like, like I, you know, and they're not all Americans.
29:37
Several of them are Americans or living in America.
29:42
So I'm not like trying to generalize this.
29:44
I'm just speaking from, like, our perspective.
29:45
Our perspective, Yeah. Yeah.
29:47
But like, they're acting like there's so much superior when
29:51
it's not necessarily like the truth.
29:56
They just have money. Yeah, like they have money.
29:58
And they have, like, their perspective of what they think
30:00
is normal and right. And they think, oh, they have
30:03
this way of doing it. And obviously they're
30:05
Barbarians, which does a gross term to use when you're in
30:09
another country with, you know, people of a different, like,
30:14
ethnicity and race of you. But it's appropriate to use with
30:18
the Skarsgard? Absolutely yes.
30:21
Both of them are Barbarians. But yeah, yeah, I absolutely
30:26
agree with what you're saying. Is that you're ugly too?
30:29
So those are uglies. And since you've touched upon
30:32
them, I'm gonna touch upon a different ugly, which is that
30:35
Alexander Skarsgard's character is such a fucking pretentious
30:38
little sad boy, and I hate him. Yeah, everything about his
30:41
character. It's like toxic masculinity,
30:44
like, you know, you you see the tigers like, oh man, it should
30:47
be subservient, blah blah blah. Men don't cry, can't wear pink.
30:51
Or wait, is he buying into the? I guess he's like, they get him
30:54
there. He is the other side of that at
30:56
the beginning of this, like, he is like, he's like, I should be
31:01
great. I should be fantastic.
31:03
I'm an artist. Nobody understands me.
31:06
My wife hates me. I wanna be a strongman.
31:09
Like he's just he is insufferable.
31:13
He has all of these ideas of what he should be and what he
31:16
wants to be, but he's got no like acceptance of different
31:21
types of ways of being, and he's also got no motivation to go and
31:25
just fucking do something for himself.
31:27
Well, look, OK, I I see what you're saying, but I also see
31:31
kind of his perspective. He's in a bit of a shitty
31:34
situation and you can you have the right to socle a little bit
31:37
with that he his wife. It doesn't sound like she didn't
31:42
hates him, she. Is married.
31:44
She hates her too. I don't know.
31:46
Maybe. I don't know what We don't
31:47
really dive into that. But like, it was a hate
31:50
marriage. Like, she admits fully that she
31:55
married him because, like, in spite of her dad.
31:58
Yeah. And he wrote a book and it
32:01
didn't go so well. And that, like, affected him.
32:04
Like, I don't know. Like I don't realize.
32:06
It's a shitty situation. I don't necessarily fault him
32:08
for like being in his feelings for like that type of situation
32:12
and he's going to the resort to try and get inspiration and
32:14
she's pressuring him like, but he hasn't done anything in six
32:19
years. Yeah, I know.
32:21
But like he's living off of his wife's money, then acting so put
32:24
upon by the fact that he relies on his wife's money.
32:27
I don't know. I think there are I.
32:28
Don't think there's anything bad about it.
32:29
I think there is a version of this where he writes like he's
32:33
struggling as an author and his wife's reports him, and it's not
32:36
toxic. But their mindsets, both of
32:39
them. I'm not saying that like she's
32:41
in the right here, but both of them have such a toxic mindset
32:46
and a toxic approach to it, and he clearly just wants to be
32:50
idolized and he doesn't want to have to do the work to earn
32:54
that. I think he just got like he
32:57
heard. He finally heard something good.
33:00
About his work. And he wanted to like, you know,
33:04
surround himself with that because it sounds like he has a
33:06
lot of negatives in his life. I don't necessarily fault him
33:09
for wanting to hear the good things like somebody
33:13
appreciating what he does like. It sounds like people shout all
33:16
over what he did and that really does hurt you when you put
33:19
yourself out there like that creatively when people just
33:22
absolutely dump on you. And then your wife's also kind
33:24
of like you know just she's there like as like support
33:28
financially. But.
33:29
I. Given their dynamic of what
33:31
we've seen, I doubt she's been much like support and, like,
33:34
emotionally. And I don't disagree with that.
33:37
But also like, he's he's not sympathetic enough to me because
33:41
it doesn't seem like he actually wants to do, Like, he's not
33:46
trying to write his. It's been six years and he
33:48
doesn't even have an idea for another novel.
33:50
And his suggestion was to go on vacation to a resort where you
33:53
can't even leave the resort strip.
33:55
Yeah. And then he complaints about the
33:56
artificiality of it all and like it.
34:00
To me, it just seems very much like he is too comfortable being
34:05
mediocre. And he I.
34:08
Don't think he's comfortable being mediocre.
34:10
No, he is. He's found a place that he's
34:11
comfortable with it and he like, he wants to be like, Oh well, I
34:15
want to be a writer. I need to go find inspiration.
34:17
Will you pay for a vacation for me?
34:18
Like he acts like that's not what he's going for, but really
34:22
like he is complaining about things, but he's not doing
34:26
anything to fix it. He wants to stay in the same
34:29
place that he's in because he's getting everything he wants
34:32
besides, like the things that you have to actually work for,
34:35
and he's not working for any of it.
34:37
I don't see it that way. Well, he's a fucking sad boy and
34:41
sad boys exist in the world and I can't handle him.
34:45
He's a very ugly care. I do not feel sympathetic for
34:47
him. I agree that he gets into like a
34:49
bad place and he lets people like manipulate him, but like, I
34:52
don't, I don't think. I'm not discounting his like,
34:55
I'm not saying that the way he's treated is correct and that I
34:57
don't feel bad that he's being attacked by this group of high
35:01
school level bullies, but at the same time, like him, as a
35:06
person, I wouldn't want to spend anytime with him.
35:08
I don't. I don't think it's fair to like
35:10
make that judgment considering we don't really get to see
35:13
enough of it. We see him.
35:16
We see it from him getting the compliment and her asking about
35:21
him like actually doing something and then that's it.
35:27
We don't get enough context. We get the context that he's in
35:30
a loveless marriage and that he doesn't have a job and he hasn't
35:34
written a book in six years. That's all we know.
35:38
Yeah. So what's he been doing in those
35:39
six years? I don't know exactly.
35:41
Like I'm going off of the context that we have.
35:45
And I feel like it's very intentional because a lot of
35:47
this movie is about him being a failure and him being sad and
35:52
him not wanting to admit that any of this, that he might have
35:56
any role in any of it, him not wanting to admit his
36:00
shortcomings, that's a big part of why they target him.
36:06
OK, I they see him as weak because what I thought like
36:10
because he is, he's a weak little sad boy.
36:13
OK, for the sake of the episode, I think we're just gonna have to
36:16
agree to disagree on this one. Oh, yeah, No, I absolutely
36:18
agree. I'm just, I I mean, agree to
36:20
disagree. Yeah.
36:21
I just, you know that's I I cannot stand him as a character.
36:25
OK, that's fair. That's totally fair.
36:28
OK, so absurd. Then I think it's hilarious that
36:32
every time he does the the death, he is given ashes of his
36:38
former self. The first time that he's given
36:40
an at, like the the fact that they give him ashes after the
36:43
first one, like I don't know, I find that kind of funny.
36:46
And then like by the end of it he just like he's packing 3 urns
36:50
with him to the airport, wrapping him up in his jeans.
36:52
Yeah, like you keep him safe. Like, it's like, sentimental to
36:55
him. And I was like, that was me.
36:58
The whole scene of him hyping himself up to beat the shit off
37:02
himself and then pee on himself is pretty fucking absurd, yeah.
37:07
And then? Here I just have the dog.
37:11
Oh my God. The dog is so fucking absurd.
37:13
It's how long did they have that double of him?
37:17
Because it clearly had to break him down to a certain point to
37:20
get him behaving like that. That's I have seen theories and
37:25
it makes sense that that is the one that he beats up because we
37:29
never see him kill that one and it has scars on its face.
37:33
Exactly, yeah, because he fucked it up.
37:35
And they all did, actually. They all kind of probably
37:37
tortured it. And that's how they broke it
37:38
down to being like that, OK? All right, those are my absurds,
37:43
OK? My absurd.
37:45
They keep talking about how it's a substantial cost.
37:48
I want to know how rich some of these people will really are.
37:51
Cuz it's not that like architects don't make good
37:54
money, but like is he really making that good money that they
37:57
can phone themselves this many times?
38:00
He's retired to Yeah, they. Also mentioned that it's a poor
38:03
country, so like a little money here goes a long way there.
38:07
I guess that's true. It just, I don't know, it's a
38:12
little, I want it, I want more context.
38:14
Yeah, to that, you know, I mean the whole fucking, the whole
38:20
thing is just absurd. It's absurd.
38:22
All of it. The whole cloning thing is crazy
38:24
too, like the fact that, like whenever he puts like the
38:26
mouthpiece in his mouth, I want. I want more context for the
38:29
cloning process. Like, why?
38:31
Why is it like that? Because it almost looks like
38:32
he's getting into like a tub of silicone, and they're making
38:37
the, the, the impression of them so they can they're they make a
38:41
mole. You know what I mean?
38:42
Yeah, like a. Yeah, Yeah.
38:43
Well, I think. I think that is what they're
38:45
doing, isn't it? But it's just, I don't know.
38:47
The whole thing is just so they clearly get into his brain too,
38:50
to get his memories and stuff. Yeah, he's like tripping hard
38:53
whenever he's going through the process.
38:56
Yeah. But yeah, I think like the whole
38:58
concept, obviously, like the whole movie gets a little bit
39:00
absurd, but it's really good. Maybe.
39:04
Honestly, like, I mean, I think that this is a fair one to say
39:07
the movie Infinity Pool is the absurd for this, yes.
39:10
Because it's just an absurd movie all the way through.
39:14
All right. So what are you rating it?
39:17
This is a tough one for me to rate cuz I remember coming out
39:21
of the theater I was very conflicted.
39:24
But yeah, I think on 2nd watch I enjoyed it more this time
39:28
around. I was gonna say you seem a lot
39:29
more favorable than you did when we were talking about it on the
39:31
way home. Yeah, well, because I like, I
39:34
said, like I was hoping that we would explore different things,
39:37
but we didn't this time. I was just along for the ride.
39:40
Yeah. Also, this is one of those
39:42
movies that was hyped up as like, Oh my God, you're not
39:44
gonna believe what's gonna happen.
39:46
It's just so out there. It's so absurd.
39:48
And then you watch and like, Oh well, it's a little bit more
39:50
tame than everybody build it up to be, but.
39:52
They going in with like better expectations.
39:55
I think it's firmly like had a like 7.57 point five.
40:00
Yeah. All right.
40:00
I might give it an 8. OK.
40:03
So we're starting off with a 7.75, all right.
40:06
That's pretty strong. Yeah, pretty fair.
40:08
So we start off with the darkness that both times
40:10
watching this made me wonder if I just like, can't see very
40:14
well. Yeah, but it's actually a dark
40:16
hotel room. And Emma's like, why did you say
40:20
that? And he's like, say what?
40:21
And she's like, I can't feed myself with wet sand brain
40:25
death. Just like, this was your idea.
40:27
Why are you complaining about being here?
40:29
He's like, I said, we should go get breakfast.
40:32
And she pulls open the curtains and she's annoyed.
40:35
He I guess he was like a dreaming or something, just like
40:38
speaking from his dreams. What a obnoxious thing.
40:42
What an obnoxious way to talk in your sleep.
40:44
You're supposed to Babble when you're talking in your sleep.
40:47
Like that time that you kept asking for the square thing, and
40:51
I was like, do you mean a towel? You said I need that square
40:55
thing. And I was like, what square
40:56
thing? And you're like that square
40:58
thing that dries you off. And I was like a towel.
41:00
And you're like, no, I know what a towel is, Jesse.
41:03
You wanted an extra blanket. That's what you wanted,
41:06
obviously. But you weren't talking about
41:08
white sand brain Dif. I personally prefer the time
41:12
that I saved you from the sumo's.
41:14
Yeah, that was great that, you know, that was a good dream.
41:19
I was a hero. Like my little sister one time
41:22
dreamt that a dragon ate her wedding cake.
41:24
Like she just sat up because we shared a room.
41:27
She goes dragon ate my wedding cake and she laid back down.
41:30
That was it. That's it.
41:31
That's for all dream. OK, so yeah, then we get very
41:36
upsetting masks. Very upsetting masks.
41:40
This is the start of the umbramock.
41:43
Which is the summoning. It's a LA token tradition before
41:47
the rainy season starts and you can buy the Eki Mass for sale at
41:51
the gift shop. James is very disenchanted with
41:54
this place, like his wife is like, hey, let's go on a boat
41:57
tour and then go to this Chinese place in town and he goes,
42:00
that's not a real town. I can't stand another dinner
42:03
here. He's like, I can't believe they
42:05
have like a fucking Chinese restaurant.
42:07
He's. Like, sure, sure, Chinese.
42:09
Yeah. So she goes.
42:10
And then he stays on the beach. Yeah, and then while he.
42:13
He's there. This four Wheeler kind of goes
42:15
on a rampage and is running over people's things, trying to run
42:18
over people. And Mia got this like it's a
42:21
demonstration. They hate tourists here.
42:23
Hey, do you want to go to this Chinese restaurant that you
42:26
hate? He's like.
42:27
Sure, he said. Sure, because she's like, you're
42:29
James Foster. I'm obsessed with your book.
42:31
Yes. Yes.
42:32
So he's like, yeah, obviously we'll go to this restaurant that
42:35
I said I hated and M is not in any way shape or form like.
42:41
Disillusioned, but like, she's like, I see exactly what
42:44
happened. You were flattered.
42:45
So you agreed to do something that you wouldn't have done for
42:48
me. That he shot on.
42:49
Yeah, beforehand. Yeah.
42:51
So yeah, it cuts them at the Chinese restaurant having dinner
42:54
together. The name of his book is called
42:57
the variable sheath. It's about a urologist, I think.
43:03
I don't even did they talk about?
43:05
Later. Yeah, when she's reading the
43:06
review. Ohh, really?
43:08
Yeah. I don't know.
43:09
I don't know. I would.
43:10
I'd like to know exactly what the synopsis is.
43:13
For the product. But so they're like they're
43:15
introducing themselves. Alban is her husband.
43:19
Yeah, I had written down a journalist question mark.
43:22
Yeah, No. So now that he's retired from,
43:24
like, architecture, he publishes a journal called Glass Pane.
43:28
That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:29
And Gabby is a commercial actress.
43:31
She specializes in feeling naturally same.
43:34
Gabby same. I like this too because like
43:38
naturally people are like what? And she's like Ohh.
43:40
Let me demonstrate. Yeah, you're talking about like
43:42
the the like infomercials where it's like you need.
43:47
The the milk opener. And you're like, what the fuck
43:50
are you talking about? Just open the milk and it's
43:52
like, no, this is so much easier, yeah, or people just
43:56
can't do it. Or like the Snuggie commercials
43:58
where people are like how do I cover myself with this blanket,
44:02
get tangled up in a. Yeah, it was like.
44:05
So that's what she does, and she like, demonstrates it.
44:08
And it is kind of believable because you're watching her try
44:10
cut this bread and you're like, shit.
44:11
How tough is that bread? It's effective, I want to say.
44:14
That I'm like, yeah, I do need a bun chopper.
44:16
You're correct. Abby, I want the bunch Hopper.
44:19
I would applaud at the restaurant there.
44:21
I would clap at that. Oh, James's description of
44:27
himself because they're all sharing their, like, backgrounds
44:29
and stuff. He's a writer.
44:31
His first book was published 6 years ago.
44:34
He hasn't published the second one yet.
44:36
And they're like, oh, what do you do for money?
44:39
And his wife goes, oh, he married ranch.
44:43
Yeah. She loves to just, like, bring
44:45
it up. Oh yeah, Marry.
44:47
Well, she seems resentful that it seems like he is kind of
44:52
using her for money, and he seems uncomfortable that maybe
44:56
at one point they were actually in love and clearly they hate
44:59
each other now. Like, I think it was just like a
45:02
passion thing at first. Yeah, like, really?
45:05
I mean, as she admits later, she married him because she wanted
45:08
to piss off her dad. Yep.
45:16
Yeah, like her dad was right. Maybe that's why she's upset
45:12
with him for not writing more, because she's like, well, you're
45:14
not even a writer anymore, So what good are?
45:17
He is just like using her. Yeah, and she's using him.
45:20
They're using each other. They're both shitty people.
45:23
The next day, M and James are like walking.
45:26
She's like, we shouldn't be doing this.
45:28
We're not supposed to leave the resort.
45:29
They said that very clearly. And he goes, well, Alvin and
45:32
Gabby come here every year and they say they've done this, so
45:35
I'm just gonna trust them. We're just gonna go for it.
45:38
And so they're borrowing a car from somebody named Mr. Thresh
45:41
who works at the resort, and they go driving, and they go
45:45
driving for a while. Wait, do we ever see what Mr.
45:48
Thresh looks like? Like just the back of his head.
45:51
Okay, because I have a theory that he could be a double.
45:55
He's related to the detective. I don't think that's why they
45:58
would say he's related. No.
46:00
Like, it's his. His name is Dro Thresh.
46:02
I know. He has, like, an actual credit
46:04
and everything. Oh, OK Yeah.
46:05
Like he's a different actor. OK, OK.
46:07
Yeah, alright. Wouldn't that be interesting?
46:08
And just like a double for like. OK, well we need help over here
46:11
at the resort. OK, I'll, I'll call myself.
46:13
Whatever. So yeah, they end up pulling up
46:18
at this beach. It's kind of deserted, but it
46:20
also has like things like busted up cars, which should be a sign.
46:25
Yeah, clearly they've taken people here before.
46:27
Yeah, and Em's like this doesn't feel right, but you know it's OK
46:32
cuz then they're eating all the sausages.
46:34
And why is this dude cooking sausages whenever everybody's
46:39
so? Full and he just keeps cooking.
46:40
He's like, I turn it out so good and then he's like, maybe we'll
46:43
cook you, we'll eat you, get em, can eat your balls.
46:47
Finally, if she hasn't already, yeah.
46:50
And then he says, why did you? Mary James and this is where
46:54
she's like, ought to piss off my dad, cuz he said never marry an
46:56
author. So I married the first bad
47:00
writer that spilled coffee on me.
47:03
I don't think she said bad, but I think it's implied.
47:05
Broke. Yeah, Is what she says.
47:07
Yeah, not even better. Like just straight up, like
47:11
telling like how it is. Like, yeah, I just married the
47:14
first fucking artist so that I could find or author.
47:17
Well, and the timeline on this because later James says that
47:20
they've been together for 10 years.
47:21
So if his first book was published 6 years ago, like did
47:25
it take him? Four years to write that.
47:28
And I was taking him six years to He doesn't even have an idea
47:30
for his second book. Yeah, which?
47:32
Not every author is Stephen King or RL Stein, or even our friend
47:37
Robert Atone that, like, just turn publish multiple books a
47:41
year. Yeah, this guy likens himself
47:43
more to a Who is the dude that did Game of Thrones?
47:47
Oh, George R Martin. Yeah, the guy that's, like been
47:49
writing the same book. Five years to write a chapter
47:53
and everybody's worried he's gonna die before you can finish
47:55
the series. This is him.
47:57
Yeah, so basically they're they're all kind of like that
48:02
uncomfortable couple day where you don't really know people and
48:05
you're like, oh, OK, so you guys are dysfunctional and now we're
48:07
trapped with you on a beach. Yeah, except this doesn't seem
48:10
to bother them. Yeah, they they revel in the
48:13
discomfort. James goes off to pee and.
48:16
There's a surprise handy from Gabby.
48:19
No word spoken. No word spoken.
48:22
He looks incredibly ashamed. He it sounded like a painful
48:27
cum. Yeah, like it was like and then
48:32
you actually see the splooge. Yeah, it just like hits rocks.
48:37
In the most upsetting way, it's just like.
48:42
Even his cum look sad hit it. It didn't.
48:46
There was not much like it didn't shoot it just like it
48:49
just dribbled out. It's like like dude, it's not
48:53
supposed to. Yeah, it's your pee went further
48:55
than that. Like, and here's the thing.
48:58
So on 2nd Watch, we know exactly what they're doing.
49:00
They've sought him out because they think he's gonna be easy to
49:03
break. Yeah, and like earlier, Gabby
49:06
makes her remark when she talks about like, failing.
49:08
Naturally, she said. Each failure.
49:11
Has a physical, is like a physical and mental puzzle.
49:15
So she's very, you know, like planting these seeds of like,
49:19
oh, failing at something can break a person down.
49:21
And now she's like exerting this control over him.
49:24
She's very much mind fucking him in the same way Sean Combs mind
49:29
fucks Jonah Hill and get him to the rig.
49:34
I mean, she mind fucks him by just straight up fucking them
49:37
throughout the entire movie. It's like, yeah, how's that
49:38
fucking doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:40
Well, you jerked me off and like, you had sex with me many
49:43
times, so it went pretty OK. Yeah.
49:45
So I was OK with it. God, man.
49:48
So Alvin is too drunk to drive, so James offers you, To which I
49:54
reply, I feel like he's probably just as drunk as Alvin.
49:57
Ohh yeah, definitely. I don't know.
49:58
I think that that's sobered him. Up.
49:59
Back to the resort? No, probably not.
50:03
And then the headlights start dimming, but I feel like my.
50:06
Head cannon is that the headlights weren't actually
50:08
failing. He was just like drunk and tired
50:10
and he was like like snoozing at the wheel.
50:13
Yeah, he's definitely doing that because, I mean, they're working
50:15
perfectly fine after he. Yeah.
50:17
Like we see, like the shots of him driving and his headlights
50:20
are fine, but then, like, when it's from his perspective, it
50:22
looks like they're dimming. Yeah.
50:24
So I think he's just like. Not enough?
50:27
Yeah, definitely that. I mean, it kind of makes sense
50:29
for that to be the thing, yeah. Yeah, and then we have a full I
50:32
know what you did last summer, because he hits somebody,
50:35
actually kills him. So he's a little bit better than
50:38
Ray. True.
50:39
He's he's a more effective killer.
50:41
Yeah. Mia got this ready.
50:45
Mia got This is less intimidating than the blonde
50:48
dude from I know what she did last summer where she's not like
50:51
straight up intimidating people. She's like, she's kind of doing
50:54
it a smart. Way.
50:55
Yeah. Like she's like no.
50:57
Because when you go here, she's like the police will rape you.
51:01
They will murder you. Nobody will care.
51:04
We will go back to the resort tonight.
51:06
I will deal with Mr. Thrush in the morning.
51:09
End of discussion. And you can't really argue that.
51:12
Yeah, like, yeah, I don't really want all that stuff to happen to
51:14
me. So OK, let's just go back.
51:17
This is very much one of those nightmare scenarios where
51:19
you're, like I said, yes to a spontaneous thing and now I'm
51:23
guilty of manslaughter. What do I do?
51:26
Is this real? Yeah.
51:27
Well, that's one of those things because like after this you get
51:30
a shot of James and he just is in disbelief.
51:34
And this is like where I'm saying like he sells that face,
51:37
so. Well, good.
51:39
Yeah. Like, he's like huddled in on
51:40
himself. Yeah.
51:41
Like I said, he's like. Even though he's 7 feet tall,
51:44
he's like a tiny shivering Chihuahua.
51:46
Yeah. And like they are locked out of
51:49
the resort and they make up some lie about how they got lost
51:53
coming back from the disco, disco, The disco.
51:55
Yeah, I. Only only Jaleel could have sold
51:59
that lie in the way he did. I feel like anybody else saying
52:02
the disco. It would have seemed
52:03
disingenuous. But from him, I'm like, I
52:04
believe you go to discos, man. I would have bought a little bit
52:07
more if you had the caller. Just like way more flared out.
52:10
Like, you know, most disco people do, but it's enough to
52:13
get in. Yeah, they get in.
52:15
And as they're walking to the rooms, James just pukes
52:19
everywhere. Finally lets it all out.
52:21
Yeah, and he has the worst hangover moment in the history
52:25
of hangovers because he wakes up to pounding at the door.
52:29
And he was like, man, what a lot of drinking I did.
52:32
And definitely no vehicular slaughter, right?
52:36
And then he answers the door and it's the police.
52:41
So they take him down to the station.
52:44
As soon as they get to the station, him and Emer separated
52:47
and he is taken to this room and he has to put on this plain
52:49
white gown. And I'm emphasizing plain white
52:51
gown. And I'll explain that in a
52:52
little bit. OK.
52:54
So Detective Thresh comes in and he's like, before we start
52:57
recording, I need you to agree to say that my uncle did not
52:59
loan you his vehicle because he would get in a lot of trouble
53:02
for that. And James is like, is that gonna
53:04
make any difference for me? He goes absolutely none at all.
53:07
Like, you're fucked either way. You're fucked.
53:10
But you're rich, so you're not that fucked.
53:11
Yeah, I would have been. Fuck yeah, man.
53:14
You did it. Yeah, you're double somebody
53:18
named Shresh. I don't know.
53:19
Could have been you. Well, and I mean for him,
53:22
technically it it's like a very technical truth because the car
53:27
wasn't rented to him. That's true.
53:30
It was rented to the Bowers. Yeah, well, they've fucked him
53:33
over there. Like, OK, well yeah, I've talked
53:35
to the Bowers and they claim that you stole the vehicle, you
53:40
hit the person, and your wife has confirmed all of this.
53:44
Because M said that, do you believe that she actually would
53:47
have done that to him? Do you think that they, like,
53:49
are fucking with him here, like trying to get him to admit this,
53:52
or did she actually do that? I could see it as them fucking
53:56
with him, but I could also see it like and they paid thresh to
54:00
say this because clearly they can pay him to do anything.
54:02
Yeah, but I could also see M doing it in like a very
54:06
reasonable like hey, here's the situation as it happened.
54:09
Like it was a total accident. We wanted to call the police but
54:11
we were advised not to. Da da da da.
54:14
Like, I could see that. And of course that nuance isn't
54:16
going to get relayed to the cops because for all of their
54:20
problems in their relationship, this moment, like, really seems
54:23
to kind of sober her up and bring her back to that place of,
54:25
like, I care about this person and I want to, yeah, make sure
54:28
he's OK. But at the same time like if she
54:31
sold him out and like why like? I don't think again, I don't
54:34
think it's a selling out. I think it's like a hey, this is
54:37
the situation as it happened, like, she seems very so that's
54:41
like corroborating the whole thing that he stole the vehicle.
54:45
And you know, like is responsible solely for all of
54:49
this. I don't know, it's pretty
54:51
shitty. But he says that the law in Los
54:55
Olka is that the eldest son is to kill him to preserve family
55:00
honor. However, they have this whole
55:02
act. Basically, it's a deal with the
55:04
tourism board that for a sum of money.
55:08
You can have a double created. Now, the thing about the double
55:10
is it has to be absolutely perfect and it has to have all
55:12
of your memories. It has to fully believe that you
55:14
committed the crime you're accused of, otherwise not really
55:17
meeting the standards of the law.
55:19
So he signs an agreement to do this, and then we take him to a
55:26
bunch of people and gowns that start undressing him, putting
55:31
little glovey things on him. The little mouth opener.
55:35
The ball. Yeah, the little cap.
55:38
Swim cap type thing. They're just getting him already
55:42
and they lead him to this like, gooey shower stall.
55:48
Yeah, that's how I described it. And it fills up with red goo.
55:51
And then he starts having all these delusions of Gabby naked.
55:56
Yeah, right. That's weird.
55:57
Yeah. Like, where is that coming from?
55:59
What are they doing in your brain?
56:00
Like, that's just maybe his fantasies.
56:03
I. Don't.
56:03
Yeah. Yeah.
56:05
So. We get this.
56:07
I really like this shot after it's over.
56:09
It just shows his pulse and his throat.
56:11
Yeah, like I was like, that's a an effective shot for what it
56:16
is. So Em is gently waking him up,
56:19
making sure he's OK and saying, like they said the double came
56:22
out perfectly, you know, are you like, are you OK?
56:26
And he's got a headache. They take him down to see the
56:30
double. And they tell him that they have
56:33
to witness the execution. It's part of the the law with
56:37
it. And like the double wakes up and
56:40
he starts like panicking and freaking out.
56:42
It shows them at the execution. He's in a his devil's in a white
56:46
robe with like this embroidering at the top and the tummy part is
56:51
cut out. Yeah, but, like, purposefully
56:54
made because, like, it's hemmed. Like, the cut is hemmed.
56:57
Yeah, I mean, it's for them that just he can.
57:00
That's your target right there. Stab right there.
57:02
Yeah, and the kid that they hire to be Myro Myron's, that's the
57:06
name of the farmer he killed. Myro Myron.
57:09
Wow, good, good name. To be his eldest son is so good
57:13
at doing an evil smile. Yes, he is in this moment and
57:17
then later on. In the movie, he's a creepy kid.
57:20
This kid probably end up killing people eventually, I think.
57:23
I feel like they gave him contacts or something to make
57:25
his eyes look even darker than they were, because it almost
57:27
seems like all people, yeah. Yeah.
57:31
So he comes in, he's enjoying doubling or enjoying stabbing
57:34
him. And I think it's important we
57:35
see this shot multiple times throughout the movie because he
57:38
gets into that red goo, right? And like we see, you know, just
57:42
red goo coming off of him. But like this moment we see the
57:45
kid is like stabbing him and his hand is covered in blood and we
57:48
have a few shots later of like, blood covered hands.
57:51
Yeah, And it's like a recurring visual element that they have
57:55
that I think like ties it all in together.
57:57
The murder, the doublings, Retrobutes and all.
58:00
Of that, yeah, I could see that, Yeah, yeah.
58:03
And then, like, it pans to the audience and sees them there.
58:06
Everybody else is like, enjoying it, cheering Amazon.
58:11
She is terror like she's shocked.
58:13
She's watching her husband get murdered.
58:16
Yeah. And.
58:17
And like the double is pleading to M to help him.
58:21
Yeah, yeah, that's what's the most terrifying thing.
58:23
Like I wonder if I don't think he can see any of them.
58:27
Like, I mean he should be able to cuz they're right there, but
58:29
I don't think he makes he sees them at all.
58:32
I assume it's like in an American.
58:35
Execution chamber where it's like 2 way glass.
58:38
I thought it was more like the light is shone, like shone on
58:41
them. It's a dark room and it gets
58:42
kind of blinding him. You can't really see that far
58:44
out. That makes sense and it slowly
58:47
zooms in on the real James's face and then he kind of like
58:51
gets a smile. He kind of likes watching.
58:53
Himself die. They get back to the room and M
58:56
is packing and she's like, we need to go.
58:58
The shuttle leaves in 15 minutes and James like, I can't find my
59:01
passport. It's normally right in my
59:02
backpack. And she's like, but we have to
59:04
go. We have to go.
59:05
We have to go. And it cuts to them sometime
59:08
later laying there, she was clearly worn herself out.
59:12
And he's like, I can, I understand if you want to leave
59:16
without me. I can hang behind.
59:19
And she's like, I don't understand how you can just be
59:21
so OK with what you just saw. Yeah, she's like, that was.
59:25
Disgusting. She's like, it's really fucked
59:27
up that you were just so fine watching yourself get murdered.
59:31
He's like, I'm gonna go down to the lobby and extend the room.
59:35
No. Well, he says he's gonna go down
59:36
there to see if they can help him find his passport.
59:39
Yeah, So he goes down there and sneakily, yeah, extends his stay
59:42
there for another week. Yeah, and while doing that,
59:47
Gabby's down there, she approaches and he's like, OK,
59:50
look, I know what we did. It's a little bit fucked up, but
59:54
have a group of other people that have been through the same
59:56
thing and we would like for you to come hang out.
59:58
That way we can kind of explain things for you.
1:00:01
Yeah, she explains their experience first, which is that
1:00:03
their first year that they came by, that came to this country,
1:00:08
they were in a nearby hotel. And this is when Alvin was still
1:00:11
an architect and they he was helping oversee them install an
1:00:16
Infinity pool that he had designed.
1:00:19
See always. That's.
1:00:20
I think it's funny that that's where the name comes from.
1:00:22
But I mean, they're basically like another Infinity pool.
1:00:25
Yeah, exactly. Like they get into this pool to
1:00:27
double themselves infinitely in perpetuum.
1:00:30
Yes. So something happened with the
1:00:34
equipment and some glass panes fell on a joke killing two
1:00:39
workers. And because it was his design,
1:00:41
he ended up being held accountable.
1:00:43
And so, yeah. And so that's when they had
1:00:46
their first doubling experience. And she said something about it
1:00:49
changes you. I can see it in your eyes that
1:00:51
you, you know what I'm talking about.
1:00:54
So at the Double Club, we meet Charles, Jennifer, Doctor Modin
1:00:58
and Becks. And they say that the once the
1:01:01
tokens learned that you have the money to do this, they're going
1:01:05
to start like getting you for even little things.
1:01:08
Yeah, and Dr. Modin is writing a paper about the doubling
1:01:13
process. So he starts asking James
1:01:16
questions like, do you worry if they got the wrong person?
1:01:18
He's like, yeah, what the hell with them like?
1:01:20
Yeah, Which like you said, it's really cool that they tackled
1:01:23
that right there. Like, OK, you're kind of taking
1:01:25
that thought off. People said.
1:01:26
So that way you don't, yeah, worry about that anymore.
1:01:28
Yeah. So that way, you know, we're not
1:01:29
focusing on that for the rest of the movie.
1:01:31
You just enjoy the debauchery for what it is.
1:01:35
So he goes to get some some water and Gabby comes in and she
1:01:40
says just trust me. And then we see the group is
1:01:43
like cutting up and shooting and Charles says that I hey, I hear
1:01:46
you have a passport problem. I've got a soninlaw that could
1:01:50
probably take care of that for you, but I need you to help me
1:01:52
with a mission and basically the resort owner of the resort that
1:01:57
Alban and Gabby were hired for however many years ago when they
1:02:02
had their first doubling experience.
1:02:05
He recently received a medal and they're like, we can't ignore a
1:02:08
slight like this for too longer. It makes us look weak.
1:02:10
We need to go steal the metal, yes?
1:02:12
So first they break into the gift shop and steal the masks,
1:02:15
which I just think is also one of those things.
1:02:17
Like they're all rich enough that they could have bought the
1:02:18
fucking masks, and then breaking in and stealing them as part of
1:02:21
their whole debauchery. Exactly, yeah.
1:02:23
I like this shot of them in the car with the masks, though,
1:02:26
because that's terrifying. I will never not be freaked out
1:02:29
by somebody wearing a mask. I'm like slowly turning.
1:02:32
Yeah, it kind of remind me of the strangers a little bit.
1:02:34
That's but I thought something about me at Goth, in that mass
1:02:37
she was wearing was very much a doll face.
1:02:39
Yes, exactly. That's what I was thinking of
1:02:41
too, yeah. So they get to the mansion and
1:02:44
they round up all the people in there, including some naked
1:02:46
people that were fucking yes. And they're just like going
1:02:52
through, looking through their stuff.
1:02:54
They find the metal they steal that Gabby holds up a gun to
1:02:58
some of their heads and is like basically challenging James to a
1:03:02
game of chicken. Yeah, she's like, have you ever
1:03:04
fired a gun before? And he's like staying in
1:03:07
character. He doesn't want to talk with the
1:03:09
mask. She's abandoned her mask at this
1:03:10
point. She's showing them her face.
1:03:12
None of them gives a shit. Yeah, so she's, like, tempting
1:03:15
him to shoot. He refuses.
1:03:17
She pretends like she's going to.
1:03:19
And then Alban comes in and there's somebody that they
1:03:23
missed. Yeah, there's like a guard
1:03:25
that's like hidden off to the side and he pops out and he
1:03:29
starts blasting and there's like a little shoot off and Alvin
1:03:32
gets shot in the leg. Yeah, so then they're like
1:03:35
rushing through this festival that's happening in town, and I
1:03:38
guess James's hotel room is the closest one.
1:03:40
So they go in there and it's like, what the fuck?
1:03:43
They still have the masks on as they're like doing that.
1:03:45
Nobody is like like, OK, I guess like people bought them and they
1:03:49
just. Got hurt having fun around
1:03:51
there. I don't know, like I would be
1:03:52
concerned seeing the chaos. That's like following them as
1:03:56
they escort ALB into the room. And yeah, they take it back to
1:03:59
James's room and like, why James's room of all people?
1:04:02
I like to fuck with him because she gets back into her room.
1:04:04
She's like, what the fuck is happening?
1:04:06
Yeah. Then we cut to a shot of them
1:04:09
all together in the cell, and we're meant to think that
1:04:11
they're waiting for their doubling process.
1:04:14
But this time around I was paying attention.
1:04:15
They're already wearing their execution robes.
1:04:18
They've got the little embroidery at the top.
1:04:20
They're not wearing the same plain white robes that James had
1:04:23
it as intake. Shit, I never.
1:04:25
It's such a small detail and if you're not paying attention for
1:04:28
it, you wouldn't really catch it.
1:04:29
But because I remembered that this was a fake out because what
1:04:31
they do is the detective comes in and they're all just like
1:04:34
joking around complaining about how slow the service is though
1:04:36
done. He's like, you guys think that
1:04:37
this is just your playground and you can do whatever you want,
1:04:39
but I feel like making an example of you takes them all
1:04:42
into this other room, chains them up to blocks and is about
1:04:45
to execute them. James breaks free from his guard
1:04:48
and is like trying to fight back, but he ultimately gets his
1:04:51
throat slit. They all get their throats slit,
1:04:53
but then we cut to the audience and it's all of them get like
1:04:56
plotting. Yes, applauding their double s
1:04:58
performances. I mean, honestly, like if I were
1:05:01
James and be like, man, I'm fucking proud.
1:05:03
Like I actually stood up and fought them off a little bit.
1:05:05
The rest of them just kind of sat there and got their throats
1:05:07
slit, like they just went out on a whimper.
1:05:12
But yeah, so it's clear that this is none of their first, or
1:05:17
probably even second rodeos. And James has given another urn.
1:05:19
They all have too good a time with it.
1:05:23
Yeah. And then he sees them.
1:05:25
He's like, what's wrong? And she's like, I'm leaving, I
1:05:30
guess you can stay here while you and he's like, but I don't
1:05:32
have my passport. And she goes, I don't know
1:05:35
what's going on with you, but I've learned that I've already
1:05:38
paid for you to stay here for another week.
1:05:40
So when you get your passport situated, I'll be at home
1:05:43
waiting for you. I can't be here anymore.
1:05:45
Yeah, I don't know what's going on with you.
1:05:47
He's like, all right, go crying back to daddy then.
1:05:50
And that maybe if he'd literally said anything else, she would
1:05:53
have been willing to stay and talk.
1:05:55
But that was clearly the sticking point.
1:05:57
She's like, all right, bye. And then he goes, no way.
1:06:00
Wait, she? Was like, fuck, shit, I said
1:06:03
wait, now look weak. Yeah, so James is outside in his
1:06:08
ECHI mask smoking a cigar. I.
1:06:10
Love that imagery. Is there a hole big enough in
1:06:13
the mouth of the mask for him to actually go puff on that cigar?
1:06:16
Is it just an aesthetic? I'm not mad either way.
1:06:19
No, I I was thinking that myself when I was watching that last
1:06:23
night. But like, it's just too cool to
1:06:25
not do so. Yeah, just whatever, man.
1:06:27
Let it roll, Gabby says that she can undo the weakness that Evan
1:06:32
stilled in him. Yeah, she's like, yeah, feeding
1:06:36
them like shit. They're like trying.
1:06:38
Yeah, you're a man. You can, you know, do this right
1:06:40
here. You just how you should be.
1:06:41
She's the opposite end of toxic masculinity, which is like those
1:06:46
women that will, like kind of reinforce that idea.
1:06:48
Like, yeah, you're a big, strong provider.
1:06:50
I'll be at home taking care of the house and the kids and you
1:06:54
do what you need it. Like she's that other end of it.
1:06:56
Like feeding it. Failing successfully, Ohh.
1:07:02
She explains the ECKY gate, which is a root drug.
1:07:05
It is a hallucinogenic and an aphrodisiac.
1:07:08
So they breathe in some drugs and have an orgy.
1:07:13
And guess what? Because James is who James is.
1:07:16
He is a bottom in every scenario.
1:07:19
It's so OK. It gets wild.
1:07:22
Like, it starts off with them having sex.
1:07:24
And the funniest imagery from that is like him kneeling at the
1:07:28
edge of the bed, just like jerking off.
1:07:30
Like yeah, what? The fuck is happening?
1:07:31
That's Alban. That's Alban.
1:07:33
Yeah, I thought that was James. No, it's when Gabby is on top of
1:07:36
James. Oh.
1:07:36
OK, because, like, it's funny how it just transitions into an
1:07:39
orgy. I just thought that that was
1:07:41
James just like crouching down the bed just down there.
1:07:43
Like doing that while she's laying on the bed.
1:07:45
We get We get woman and man, man and man, woman and woman.
1:07:49
We get all the combinations here.
1:07:51
We get twos and threes and fours.
1:07:52
We get everybody together. We get a naked mask ritual with
1:07:55
me and goth walking through. I don't know.
1:07:57
It's disturbing. It is, yeah.
1:08:01
And they're all wearing the upsetting masks the entire time.
1:08:03
Yeah, it's the masks that are disturbing.
1:08:05
I mean, whatever. If you haven't, orgy with
1:08:07
consenting adults is your business, but the mask thing is
1:08:10
what is is upsetting to me to watch.
1:08:13
Yeah, yeah. That's because there's Masks are
1:08:15
scary. To me, yeah, this is kind of
1:08:17
what I was thinking about before, Like where, like that's
1:08:20
where I thought maybe they were kind of looking like that.
1:08:22
Like, maybe that's where the masks got their inspiration
1:08:24
from, is from like all these people that got doubled.
1:08:26
So I don't know. What a fucking happens here.
1:08:30
Yeah, there's a lot of like things coming out of nipples
1:08:34
and. Yeah.
1:08:35
Oh my God, that's the most upsetting part.
1:08:38
Like the nipples grow and then like, they're like sucking the
1:08:41
things out of their nipples. Like what is this?
1:08:44
Ohh man, I've never been so upset by a nipple.
1:08:47
God, thank you for reminding me that, by the way, like I was
1:08:51
ready. Like I That was a long pass in
1:08:53
my memory, but now I have to think about it again.
1:08:56
Nope. If I have to remember the
1:08:57
nipple. If you remember the nipple.
1:08:59
Terrible. And again, James, just on the
1:09:01
bottom for everything, yeah. All right.
1:09:05
So now the next morning, yeah. And the guy?
1:09:10
Yeah, there's a guy eating his, looking really annoyed, and
1:09:14
cherries keep laying on his table.
1:09:15
And then we cut over to an incredibly greasy, gooey James.
1:09:19
He's got his hair slicked back like a real piece of shit, yes,
1:09:23
and he's shirtless, wearing that metal, and he's dipping his
1:09:26
fingers in this jar of Marashino cherries, getting cherry juice
1:09:29
all over his face and chest. And then he's spitting the
1:09:33
cherries at this table. Very upsetting.
1:09:35
Display This is the mean kid table in high school.
1:09:38
That's like throwing spitballs at the nerds.
1:09:41
That's what they are. This is what the mean kids grew
1:09:44
out to be. That guy's like, fuck it, I'm
1:09:45
leaving. Yeah, just like, get up and
1:09:47
leave. Like totally.
1:09:48
Well, cuz I kid was at the nerd table in high school.
1:09:51
He knows. Like you just leave?
1:09:53
Yeah. He's like, I'm a successful
1:09:55
engineer. I can afford this resort.
1:09:57
I shouldn't be getting bullied anymore.
1:09:59
Yeah. James is being a real ass here,
1:10:01
for sure. Yeah, everybody's just cheering
1:10:03
him on, laughing about. He's sniffing his own farts,
1:10:05
he's enjoyed himself way too much and they're all encouraging
1:10:10
it because it's all part of their mean girl game.
1:10:13
Yeah, and then the guy is before saying, like, I can help you get
1:10:16
your passport, he tells him. Oh yeah.
1:10:18
I'm hearing now that Thrush is actually preventing you from
1:10:21
getting your passport. So we need to teach him a
1:10:24
lesson. Guess what?
1:10:26
He's got heart problems. He's got a treatment at the
1:10:28
hospital tonight. I said we pay him a little
1:10:31
visit. James.
1:10:32
Is that logic pan out? Do you think attacking the
1:10:36
detective that supposedly is holding up your departure from
1:10:38
this country is going to help you get out of the country
1:10:40
faster? Whatever.
1:10:41
James isn't smart. He's here for a good time.
1:10:42
Now he's like, I'm here for like 6 years, A good time and a long
1:10:46
time. Yes, exactly.
1:10:48
And so they get to the hospital and they put James on lookout
1:10:51
duty, which he should have been immediately suspicious of,
1:10:53
because if this is supposed to be his payback, revenge mission,
1:10:57
why is he on lookout? That's a good point.
1:11:00
And also like. He's no good out there, cuz a
1:11:03
van drives by and tries to run him over and he just dodges.
1:11:05
He doesn't tell with them. He doesn't warn people.
1:11:07
I would hardly even say he dodges, I say.
1:11:09
He kind of like sways out of the way because he is so fucking
1:11:12
drunk. He gives it like a little
1:11:14
shimmy. Yeah, he's like, so they bring
1:11:20
out somebody and they roll him into a van and they take him
1:11:25
back to the hotel room and they bring him out bag headed and
1:11:28
they're like, all right, James, do you think show them your
1:11:31
strings? It starts like strutting around
1:11:33
in circles around them. Yeah, like, whoa, I like that.
1:11:37
Yeah, keep it going. And he starts their reactions.
1:11:41
So they're all, like, just being very casual, like somebody's
1:11:46
drinking a drink, somebody's eating a bowl of cereal.
1:11:49
Um, one of the. I think Becks has, like, her
1:11:51
phone out and was recording the whole thing.
1:11:53
Yeah. It feels almost like in It's
1:11:56
Always Sunny when they're at their high school reunion and
1:11:58
they're doing the dance. Oh, yeah.
1:12:00
Like it feels like the dream sequence or it feels like
1:12:02
they're all cheering him on. Yeah.
1:12:04
Yeah. As he's like, doing all this.
1:12:05
And Alvin joins in pissing on him.
1:12:07
And then they. And then, uh, Gabby struts over
1:12:11
to the body and removes the bag. And it's just another shivering
1:12:15
double of James. Yeah.
1:12:18
Before this, he's also taken more of the drug from before.
1:12:21
So he's tripping hard again. Yeah.
1:12:23
And then like he gets to see that, oh, he just be and pissed
1:12:27
all over himself and that freaks him out.
1:12:29
So he runs away and goes back to his room.
1:12:32
And then from his room he hears some singing outside, so he goes
1:12:36
to look and they're out there serenading him with their masks
1:12:40
on. And then Gabby's now at the
1:12:42
door. Hanging on the door, giving him
1:12:44
shit. Like, come on James, don't be
1:12:46
weak. You look so unattractive.
1:12:47
No, At first she's like, it was just a joke, Jamesy.
1:12:51
Yeah, like just a joke. We're just having a bit of fun.
1:12:54
She's like, do you want me to bring the double here and you
1:12:56
can both fuck me at once? Hot.
1:13:00
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't tell me James wouldn't get
1:13:04
off on fucking somebody else with.
1:13:05
Himself for a second. He's like, I just pissed on
1:13:10
myself. Like, am I gonna have to fuck
1:13:12
with the one that he's like, did I just discover that I'm into
1:13:14
that? Yeah, this is like this is too
1:13:16
much. This is getting too, yeah.
1:13:19
And then he's like not answering her.
1:13:21
She goes, you're being weak and it's pathetic.
1:13:25
And so then we see him grab his passport that he hid under the
1:13:28
sink. That was whenever that happened
1:13:31
in the theater. Flat twisted this movie.
1:13:33
I was like, oh shit, like cuz I first was like, oh man, he
1:13:36
forgot his passport. That sucks.
1:13:37
But now I'm like, oh this guy just fucking worn it this entire
1:13:40
time. Yeah, it's fucking crazy, he
1:13:42
wanted an excuse to say. And again, because he's a little
1:13:45
sad boy, he can just tell his wife like, hey, I'm finally
1:13:48
starting to feel excited being here.
1:13:50
I'm starting to get a tingling of inspiration, even though this
1:13:54
is all fucked up. Can we stay a little bit longer
1:13:56
while I process this? And maybe that's what I'm
1:13:59
saying. Like he instead of saying that
1:14:01
he takes a cowards route and hides his passport.
1:14:04
Yeah, no. The way that he goes about that,
1:14:06
like I everything posts the beginning of this movie, I'm
1:14:10
against him. He's fucking sucks.
1:14:11
But like, he knew the answer to that.
1:14:13
He knew that she wouldn't support that.
1:14:15
So he's like, OK, I'm gonna just hide it So he gets on the
1:14:18
airport shuttle and his best disguise, which is a hat, a hat
1:14:23
and sunglasses. Sunglasses.
1:14:24
Which, to be fair, that's like, he's a big fan of Joe Goldberg
1:14:28
on you. That's some magic disguise hat.
1:14:30
That's the typical celebrity disguise, though.
1:14:33
You go in public, you're an actor.
1:14:34
Hat. Sunglasses.
1:14:36
You're golden. So he thinks he's safe on the
1:14:38
shuttle, and then a car pulls up and it's his buddies.
1:14:44
Oh my God. OK, they basically forced the
1:14:46
shuttle to pull to the side of the road and Gabby is saying
1:14:51
please, James E please come out. No, it's it's OK.
1:14:56
She gives him a chance to come out and then she says members of
1:14:59
the bus send James out. I'm going to start shooting you.
1:15:02
He's a she. There was a lot of insultances
1:15:06
that he had sell his own mother from meat.
1:15:08
We're you're completely skipping over the whole thing of her
1:15:12
being. I'm wondering what the direction
1:15:14
was for her here, because the way that she's saying all this
1:15:18
stuff is so over the top. It's like James E like, I love
1:15:26
how unhinged she is, though. It's super unhinged.
1:15:30
She's been so cool and collected this whole time and now she's
1:15:32
very much. She feels like Honey Bunny at
1:15:35
the beginning of Pulp Fiction, where she's like, I'll shoot
1:15:37
every last motherfucking I wanna.
1:15:39
Y'all, it's way more like over the top.
1:15:42
It's it's almost like absurdly so, like, I don't know.
1:15:44
It's it's more unhinged. I feel like it's such a leap
1:15:49
that it. Comes across as jarring.
1:15:51
Personally, I don't. I know a lot of people love
1:15:54
this, like people love this part of her here, but I think it's
1:15:57
just way too over the top for her.
1:15:59
I like it because now we know there's absolutely no, no lies
1:16:04
going on and then you know what I mean?
1:16:05
And she's just letting loose. Whenever he finally comes out,
1:16:09
whenever, like her reaction to it, it's just so crazy.
1:16:12
I don't know like I. I I thought it was too much.
1:16:15
I liked it. Personally, it's fucking
1:16:17
annoying. Like it it would be enough to
1:16:19
Get Me Out the way that she is with it.
1:16:22
But like, yeah, no, I it's it's a lot.
1:16:25
And then we have what I call the shame parade.
1:16:28
Oh my God. And I listen.
1:16:30
Me and Goth spread on the hood of a car.
1:16:32
Drinking her wine is a. Bucket of chicken?
1:16:36
Yeah, bucket of chicken. Yeah, just marching James along
1:16:39
in front of them while she just reads off and well, she's
1:16:41
insult. Yeah, she's insulting him,
1:16:43
calling him a little sucky baby, saying that she never even read
1:16:46
his book, and then she pulls out a review she had in her purse
1:16:50
and starts reading it. Probably the harshest review,
1:16:53
yeah. It's so bad.
1:16:55
This person just absolutely shits all over James.
1:16:58
Well, and like, here's the thing, because we we all rude
1:17:01
reviews on here because we want to get a different perspective,
1:17:03
but we always make an effort to not pick one that just shits on
1:17:07
it and necessarily like we want to get an actual perspective on
1:17:11
it. Yeah, I mean, which, again, I've
1:17:15
said that I think James is a pretentious, fucking sad boy.
1:17:18
But the things in the review that he's reading don't really
1:17:22
explain why they don't like the book.
1:17:24
I mean, if you're a critic, yeah, I don't think you need to
1:17:26
go into the details of, like your theory on how he got it
1:17:29
published because he's married to like a well known publisher.
1:17:34
Like, that's kind of going too far.
1:17:36
But whatever, Like it cuts him to his core.
1:17:39
You can tell that this right here actually has an impact on
1:17:41
James. Yeah, but then she drops her
1:17:43
wine and something she, the way she like, completely stops
1:17:49
paying any attention to James and she goes, I opened my wine.
1:17:52
Like I don't know why, but I loved that moment cuz like I
1:17:56
feel like that's how I react sometimes when I drop.
1:17:58
So I'm like, Oh no. Yeah.
1:18:02
So he takes it as this opportunity to wrestle the gun
1:18:06
away from her, but he fells. And then he just, like, runs off
1:18:09
to the woods, Yeah. And he gets shot in the leg.
1:18:12
Yeah, 'cause he's running, she's.
1:18:13
Blind popping into the woods and miraculously hits him in the
1:18:16
leg. James keeps walking and he finds
1:18:20
a farm. While he's there, he gets help.
1:18:23
And then as he's recovering in the bed, the eldest son of Myra
1:18:30
Myron pops up and comes over and strangles him.
1:18:33
Except now he's seeing his wife and doing it and he's
1:18:36
hallucinating. All of the double club are
1:18:39
around him. And this isn't real, right?
1:18:42
None of this is real, I don't think.
1:18:43
I think it's just him dreaming. Yeah, I think he is actually in
1:18:46
the farm, but I don't think that the little boys there.
1:18:49
Or and even then like that, like twins.
1:18:52
Everything like that could be not him, but what are the odds?
1:18:56
I know, yeah. Either way.
1:18:57
So he wakes up and then walks outside and all of his friends
1:19:01
are there and they're dressed in their black tie clothing like a
1:19:06
big events coming. And basically, Gabby says that
1:19:11
they're on a mission of mercy to shed his larval mind and find
1:19:15
the real creature inside of him. Deep.
1:19:20
They're like they're trying to help him as a phrase it.
1:19:24
So they say that to do that he must sacrifice the dog, which is
1:19:30
a double of him that they have broken.
1:19:34
OK, I'm. I'm Whenever that happened, I
1:19:36
was just happy that it wasn't an actual dog.
1:19:39
Yeah, right, like. Because when they say you gotta
1:19:41
sacrifice the dog, I'm like, Oh no, what the fuck?
1:19:43
Please. But then it's just him on a
1:19:46
collar, yeah, And he's like walking on all fours.
1:19:49
Like, they've got him totally submissive and he refuses.
1:19:51
Yeah, they give him a gun. He takes a gun.
1:19:53
No, they give him a knife. Yeah, he just throws the knife
1:19:56
away, but then the dog quote, UN quote, it's just the packs him.
1:20:01
So he ends up beating it to death and this is where we get
1:20:04
more of that, like red handed imagery.
1:20:06
Yeah cuz he beats it so hard that he caves a skull in like he
1:20:12
goes primal and then after he finishes that Gabby comforts him
1:20:18
and then she just takes her tit, puts it down and just lets him
1:20:22
suck on. No.
1:20:23
She rubs some of the blood on her booby first.
1:20:25
First, yes, some blood on the booby.
1:20:27
And then he starts just sucking on it.
1:20:30
I want that band. I want that band's album Blood
1:20:34
on the booby, blood on the booby.
1:20:36
Yeah, Can you imagine the tshirt possibilities for their merch
1:20:41
table? I feel like the single for that
1:20:43
album's gotta be called Jamesy. Yeah, James is a sucky baby.
1:20:47
Yeah, That's it. Yeah.
1:20:49
Yeah. So we cut to James, cleaned up
1:20:54
hair. Still slicked back, though,
1:20:55
because he's transformed into a real piece of shit.
1:20:58
Well, he's he did the thing that they said.
1:21:00
It's the true James. He calls him, apologizes, says
1:21:03
he's coming home. He's got his three earrings in
1:21:06
his suitcase. Go third earn now.
1:21:08
Yep, Yep. I like that they still took it
1:21:10
to get cremated after the fact, yeah.
1:21:12
I mean, you know, he did the deed he deserves the.
1:21:15
Yeah, the like, you know what souvenir you guys stole this
1:21:20
double. Like you guys weren't supposed
1:21:22
to have this one. Like, yeah, well, we killed it
1:21:23
anyway, so, well, they. Bribed the detective for it.
1:21:26
Did they? I thought that they actually
1:21:27
kidnapped. No, they said that they, like,
1:21:29
bribed the detective to get another double, OK.
1:21:33
Yeah, so they're all on the shuttle together, and I love how
1:21:36
casual and non made-up they are because they've all been dressed
1:21:39
so nicely, so put together. But like, Gabby's got like a
1:21:43
messy bun on and like, she's just wearing a crocheted sweater
1:21:47
and they're like, oh, what are you doing?
1:21:48
She goes, oh, well, Alvin has to go back to work, so I'll
1:21:51
probably rearrange the hat like they're yeah, I do it for fun.
1:21:53
Like, Oh my God, I do that too. Yeah.
1:21:55
They're just like having such boring conversations, and James
1:21:58
is almost like disassociating listening to it.
1:22:01
Is like breaking his brain to see them post vacation mode.
1:22:05
Yeah, like he like, he can't go back to that.
1:22:09
And then Alvin and Gabby, as they're leaving, saying it's
1:22:12
really nice to meet you. Hope we see you here next year.
1:22:15
And it's like, are they actually friends?
1:22:16
Did that? Like, is he really part of their
1:22:18
club? Are they gonna fuck with them
1:22:20
some more? I can't tell with them.
1:22:22
I think it's all meaningless. I think they think so.
1:22:25
Maybe they went through the same process with the other people
1:22:28
that they're there with now. Yeah, like kind of like a hazing
1:22:31
process. So like now, like, OK, next year
1:22:34
you will be part of the group and then you'll fuck with
1:22:36
somebody else. Yeah, and you'll feel better for
1:22:39
it because that's how the cycle of abuse works.
1:22:41
Yeah, it'll take you a full year to get past this whole thing.
1:22:44
We'll be we're sure you'll still be here.
1:22:46
Except for him, because he's just sitting there letting
1:22:51
everybody board their flights and then they call last boarding
1:22:54
from the flight to Melbourne and.
1:22:57
He doesn't get on it and said he goes back to the resort even
1:23:00
though it's all closed because it's the rainy season and he's
1:23:02
just sitting out there in the rain.
1:23:04
Yep, just like sitting on the beach.
1:23:06
Yep. And then that's it.
1:23:09
That's it, man. I really like this movie.
1:23:14
It's one of those that gives you a lot to chew on and a lot of
1:23:17
different things to take away from, like how you want to
1:23:20
interpret it and what messaging there is and.
1:23:23
Yeah, there's probably so many more things that we missed, like
1:23:26
little cues and hints and stuff. I I think it's just such a good
1:23:32
baby. I'm actually gonna bump it to an
1:23:33
8.5. Yeah, I was actually thinking
1:23:35
I'm gonna bump mine into an 8. No, I I really like this movie
1:23:39
more. After watching it again, it's
1:23:43
just a more enjoyable ride. After watching it the first
1:23:46
time, the first time, you're kind of feeling it out and then
1:23:48
you know what to expect afterwards.
1:23:50
So going in for a second, watch if you haven't watched it yet
1:23:54
and you were kind of or watched it again yet for like a second
1:23:57
viewing and you were kind of iffy on it the first time, I
1:24:00
definitely recommend giving it another shot because I just
1:24:03
those expectations and you'll have a good time with this one.
1:24:06
Yeah, I'm telling you, had a good time with it.
1:24:09
She started off. She was showing off her tummy.
1:24:12
She was like sitting up at different parts.
1:24:14
Yeah, she was playing with some of her toys and she did need to
1:24:18
go out at 47 minutes. So she didn't need to take a mid
1:24:21
movie break, which also I think it's important to note the Hulu
1:24:25
ads. You have like 3 ads within the
1:24:27
first 45 minutes and then it's like alright, the rest of it, no
1:24:31
ads, just go like before the 1st double is killed is on, the last
1:24:35
ad is and then the rest is broken.
1:24:38
Yeah, hinges are off. You just like, sit and strap in
1:24:41
for the rest of this ride. Yeah, so I think Talia is gonna
1:24:44
give this an 8 because that's how many pause she would have if
1:24:48
she was doubled. Yeah, that's good.
1:24:52
So she's right there with us? Pretty much.
1:24:55
So we didn't really watch this one, did she?
1:24:56
She was in and out, like she was back in the bedroom and then she
1:24:59
came and sat on my lap and then she went to the kitchen and she
1:25:01
came back and sat on my lap. So she was like in and out.
1:25:04
I would say maybe she watched half of it.
1:25:06
Yes, I I think about half at least.
1:25:09
Yeah. Yeah.
1:25:10
Is there anything you would change?
1:25:12
Well, I I really don't know if there's anything that I would
1:25:16
change, OK? Like, it's a weird one.
1:25:19
Like, there's things that I would like for it to explore,
1:25:22
but I appreciate that it didn't do that because it ended up
1:25:25
being a different experience. And I think this is a movie that
1:25:28
is good. Like, I I prefer stuff like this
1:25:31
to go against what I'm expecting because I think it's more
1:25:35
effective that way. I really am curious about like
1:25:39
exploring that impact a little bit more, like especially like
1:25:43
what happened to him there at the end, why he didn't decide
1:25:47
to. I like that it's ambiguous.
1:25:49
I'm just curious like why did he not go?
1:25:53
Is there no going back for him from everything that he just had
1:25:57
happen? Like, can he not return to his
1:26:00
normal life after experiencing all of that again?
1:26:02
Yeah, not in the way that the others are, but I think also
1:26:05
it's because he doesn't have that like partnership with it
1:26:08
because they've all gone through it all together and he doesn't
1:26:10
have anybody that he's sharing that experience with and I
1:26:13
think. That's a big part of his
1:26:14
relationship with M is that they're just coming from such
1:26:17
two different backgrounds. Yeah.
1:26:19
And they're not sharing in their current life in the way that,
1:26:23
like, a functional relationship would.
1:26:27
Yeah. And he, like, I think their
1:26:29
relationship was dying even before this vacation.
1:26:31
But now he has changed so much. And that's like the final death
1:26:35
knell for them anyway. I'm surprised that she was
1:26:37
taking them back, right? Like after everything that she
1:26:40
wouldn't, She didn't even see the worst of it.
1:26:42
Yeah, she saw them bring back. A bloody album, Yeah.
1:26:48
And that was when she drew the line.
1:26:50
Good for her for drawing it then, because it's like it got
1:26:53
real ugly there. Yeah.
1:26:55
I don't know. There's a lot.
1:26:56
I like this movie and I I there are things that I would would
1:27:01
like to explore, but I'm glad that they didn't.
1:27:04
Maybe in a sequel, but I don't know if this is the one that
1:27:06
needs a sequel either. I feel like this is a perfect
1:27:08
standalone movie. However, if it were to have a
1:27:11
sequel, what premise would you want to explode?
1:27:13
OK, if we were to do a sequel. I think it'd be interesting to
1:27:20
see maybe M come back looking for him because obviously he
1:27:25
never returned to Melbourne. Like she finds, like she's
1:27:28
actually concerned for him now And what's the work on?
1:27:31
The marriage she's concerned for his say, if nothing else, they
1:27:33
did spend 10 years of their life together, and she wants to make
1:27:36
sure he's at least OK because she seems like she would have
1:27:39
that compassion. Even recognizing their
1:27:41
relationships over still having compassion for him as a human
1:27:44
being, she comes back looking for him.
1:27:48
Something happens where she is doubled.
1:27:51
I would like to see her be doubled, like that way she could
1:27:55
maybe start to like experience, maybe with her because she was
1:28:00
very upset by seeing the process and she was the only one that
1:28:04
hadn't gone through it. She just got to witness
1:28:06
everything without actually going through it.
1:28:07
I would like to see her being able to sit there with that,
1:28:11
like having done that for like a year or maybe a few months
1:28:14
because he never returns and she goes looking for him.
1:28:17
And yeah, it happens to her and she does have the money.
1:28:19
She can afford to do it, Yeah. And then we can explore those
1:28:23
things through her. Yeah.
1:28:25
'Cause maybe she doesn't have the same like inclination as the
1:28:28
rest of the map did, the doubling process, maybe it
1:28:30
changes her, but not in the same way it changed the others.
1:28:34
So I think that would be an interesting Yeah, I think so
1:28:36
too. Yeah.
1:28:37
OK, Like one of the clones. Like Alexander, Scarscart has an
1:28:42
imperfect clone and Spill Scarscart I.
1:28:47
Think that would be That would be hilarious.
1:28:48
That would be so good it would be funny.
1:28:55
OK. She relate to ohh God, who did I
1:28:58
relate to from this bunch? I think I related to him because
1:29:01
I would be horrified that all of the things that happened in this
1:29:04
movie, not one thing about this movie like what I enjoy.
1:29:09
And she didn't either. Like she was pretty much upset
1:29:11
the entire time. I would be too.
1:29:14
I think maybe second to the resort would have been cool like
1:29:16
she wanted to. I would have liked to have go,
1:29:18
like go visit a city and go to a Chinese restaurant in town, you
1:29:22
know? But yeah, I don't know.
1:29:24
OK, how about you? I think there are a lot of
1:29:29
little lines that I relate to Gabby with, like I jumped my
1:29:35
way. Yeah, I specialize.
1:29:38
I'm failing naturally, Those little moments with her that I'm
1:29:41
like, I feel some type of way about her.
1:29:45
I don't. I hope I'm not that much of A
1:29:47
psychopath, but I do feel like I have kind of a grading laugh
1:29:51
that people will be like it's a little bit too much.
1:29:53
No, you don't have anything compared to hers.
1:29:55
I definitely feel that way when I'm like editing.
1:29:58
I edit out a lot of my laughter when it's my weekday.
1:30:01
We're our biggest critics. I like your laugh.
1:30:04
I love it. OK, new tag on it.
1:30:08
I have a pitch, OK. Come play with us.
1:30:12
Forever and ever and ever. I think that's funny if we're
1:30:16
doing quote, so I also think James is a piss baby would be.
1:30:20
Sucky baby A sucky baby James is a sucky baby would be a fun one.
1:30:25
Is you is or is you ain't my sucky baby.
1:30:30
This one doesn't have, like, an actual tagline.
1:30:32
Like what would be a serious tagline for this?
1:30:35
Yeah, I just keep coming up with dumb shit.
1:30:38
Like you can check out anytime you like, but you can never
1:30:41
leave. Yeah, you're just like going to
1:30:45
quotes of like songs and. Other very derivative.
1:30:47
Right now it's fine. I wonder if you can do something
1:30:50
with the pool part. Yeah, I was gonna say dive in
1:30:53
head first. If we're doing quotes, you could
1:30:57
do doublement. Gone.
1:30:58
Double the pleasure, double the fun.
1:31:02
Fail naturally and feel spectacularly.
1:31:06
Okay. I think that that's pretty good,
1:31:09
cuz that's signing in some things there.
1:31:11
Yeah, failing naturally cuz of her.
1:31:13
And then all of these are him failing.
1:31:15
Spectacularly. Yeah, you're right.
1:31:18
Okay. Cool.
1:31:19
All right. Did you get us an Internet
1:31:23
review? I did Okay.
1:31:25
Let me pull that up. Tries way too hard.
1:31:29
Ends up being silly. OK, I'm upset that I'm giving
1:31:32
this such a low review. I just felt like it didn't
1:31:34
really amount to anything except for shock.
1:31:36
For the sake of shock and weirdness.
1:31:37
For the sake of weirdness. This movie doesn't really
1:31:40
accomplish anything that wasn't previously accomplished by
1:31:42
superior films in similar veins such as Speak No Evil.
1:31:45
The visuals were admittedly cool and the overall aesthetic of the
1:31:48
movie was well done, but what was the point?
1:31:51
It ultimately just amounted to being a very pretentious, try
1:31:54
hard, extreme film for commercial audiences.
1:31:56
I felt like it tried very hard to be thought provoking when it
1:31:58
was really just leaving out details and not really finishing
1:32:01
anything. It started with.
1:32:02
On top of that, the ending scenes with Mia Goff freaking
1:32:05
out were very hard to take seriously.
1:32:07
I wasn't sure if the director meant for that to be comedic or
1:32:09
not. I think a little bit.
1:32:13
Is that it? Yeah.
1:32:14
OK, I get it. Like, I do feel like this movie.
1:32:18
I don't really know if they make a clear message or if they're
1:32:21
even making a message. I think there's a lot of
1:32:23
commentary here I don't necessarily like.
1:32:26
I'm not going to pretend that like you're super deep and I'm
1:32:28
super intellectual for figuring it out.
1:32:30
I do think it has a lot of messaging that it has.
1:32:33
I think it leaves a lot of stuff up to interpretation.
1:32:36
But I can also understand what like, like I said the beginning.
1:32:39
I get how this movie doesn't hit for everybody.
1:32:41
It hits extremely well for me. I like that there ultimately is
1:32:45
no point to everything they put him through.
1:32:47
Yeah, cuz like this right here. Like, it feels like a movie that
1:32:52
is meant to have some kind of deep message behind it.
1:32:55
But like, I think really what happened is he came up with an
1:32:58
interesting concept. He started writing and then he
1:33:00
just kind of had fun with it. And yeah, he just put him in
1:33:03
like all these ridiculous situations and just wanted to
1:33:05
see what he could do with his characters because like, but
1:33:08
when you have double s, your possibilities are like opened
1:33:12
way more. And ultimately, that's what the
1:33:15
characters themselves are doing. Yeah, exactly.
1:33:17
Yeah. They're like, we have these
1:33:18
opportunities. Let's open it up and have fun
1:33:20
and do whatever fucked up thing we can come up with.
1:33:22
Yeah, and you know, I think that's fine.
1:33:26
Like a lot of movies, a lot of movies have meanings in them.
1:33:30
I'm very superficial whenever it comes to that stuff.
1:33:32
Like, I just kind of take a lot of things at face value and I
1:33:35
don't really look for, like the hidden meanings behind a lot of
1:33:38
things, like scary shit, fun shit.
1:33:41
Like, I just enjoy the ride. And I think, honestly, I feel
1:33:45
like that's just kind of what this movie is like.
1:33:47
He's like, yeah, like rich people suck.
1:33:50
But like, that's as far as it goes.
1:33:52
That's the deepness of this movie.
1:33:54
Let's just have some fun. Yeah, let's take this premise
1:33:56
and get wild with it. Yeah, like I said again, I get
1:34:00
why people wanted something different out of it.
1:34:01
I am very happy with the final product though.
1:34:03
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with it too, yeah.
1:34:05
Do we have any listener reviews? Yes, we have a decent amount
1:34:08
actually. I'm glad.
1:34:10
I'm glad that we got a lot of love for this movie.
1:34:12
Well, I hope it's love, yeah. Glad that we got a lot of people
1:34:17
that have seen it. Tucker just likes in and saying
1:34:21
accidentally left off the end of the review.
1:34:23
I'm gonna message we're recording it right now.
1:34:25
What is it? OK, well, then we'll start off
1:34:30
with the ones that have completed and we'll go ahead and
1:34:33
go to Instagram where First off we have cube saves, says I like
1:34:39
this last one more, but I really like this one a lot.
1:34:42
OK, which we don't have anything to compare with.
1:34:44
I've heard some people say that. I'm glad that this was our
1:34:48
introduction to his direction because I came in with no
1:34:53
expectations. Yeah, well, I mean coming with a
1:34:55
little bit because Cronenberg like he there's that.
1:34:58
It's unfortunate for him because like this is that shit.
1:35:01
Like, you know, it shouldn't be his reputation too, but it.
1:35:04
Is I mean well, but also Possessor kind of hit those
1:35:08
beats from what I could tell. So I kind of figured maybe he
1:35:10
was following his footsteps. So you know nothing bad about
1:35:15
it, but really interested in checking out possessor.
1:35:19
OK then next we have Michael Lee Howard who says I can see how
1:35:26
Infinity pool could be divisive. I entered without knowing
1:35:29
anything about the film. I was surprised at each turn as
1:35:32
it sent me on an adventure. It was an equal part scifi,
1:35:35
horror and drama taking down a dark and confusing path.
1:35:39
Our narrator at times feels unreliable, but you also feel
1:35:42
compassion for his constant confusion.
1:35:45
By the end you get the sense he is the only one in the group
1:35:48
that has a moral compass. I definitely feel like I need to
1:35:51
watch this again, but based on my first viewing I would give
1:35:54
this a 7.75 out of 10. I definitely disagree with how
1:35:59
you feel about James. I agree with Gabby that he's a
1:36:03
sucky baby. But yeah, I mean, it is a
1:36:06
confusing ride. And we do get a lot of it
1:36:07
through the lens of an unreliable narrator, which I do
1:36:10
think is kind of a big part of the, like the fuck up itness of
1:36:13
the editing. Yeah, I kind of get what he's
1:36:16
saying. It's kind of, I don't know,
1:36:18
like. I feel bad as a human that he's
1:36:20
going through this. Yeah, like as a human, I don't
1:36:23
want other humans to go through this as a person.
1:36:25
Like I said, I don't want to be friends with James.
1:36:27
I don't want him in my social circle.
1:36:29
Yeah. I mean, I guess seeing how he
1:36:32
acts, yeah, but like, at the end, he's just so fucking
1:36:35
damaged by the end of it. Yeah, I think he doesn't really
1:36:38
know who he is anymore. Yeah, but I agree with the 7.75.
1:36:43
I was lower than that on my first watch.
1:36:45
I was, I'd say I'd probably had put it out of six maybe, but
1:36:49
rewatch. I'm back up here at 8:00, so
1:36:51
definitely do a rewatch. Maybe give it some time or
1:36:55
however one you want to give. Something like that, let.
1:36:58
It settle a little bit and then rewatch.
1:37:00
Yeah. OK And we have the rest of
1:37:02
Tucker's review here we're going to go into right now.
1:37:05
All right. So Tucker says if you look in
1:37:08
the sea Amlith the Beowulf turned into James E Miegos,
1:37:11
Little Subpup, this is the flick for you.
1:37:14
Infinity Pole is a harrowing and discussing island side
1:37:17
deconstruction of the human ego that questions how far a
1:37:20
mediocre man is willing to go in order to believe that he is
1:37:24
something more thank you. Featuring stellar performances
1:37:28
from Skarsgard and modern scream queen Mia Goth, who choose the
1:37:32
scenery like Theta the Alligator going at Hot Blondes Thank you,
1:37:36
as well as the crisp, gooey and stomach turning directional
1:37:40
style of Brandon Cronenberg, Infinity Pool is a mind bending
1:37:44
dive into the horror that comes with knowing oneself, one that
1:37:48
leaves audiences wondering who they truly are and who they are
1:37:51
capable of becoming. Given the right circumstances
1:37:54
though, it could have delved more into the cloning aspect of
1:37:57
the story. Thank you.
1:37:59
One or two scenes that would have called into question who's
1:38:02
the original and who's the copy would have been great.
1:38:05
Or maybe an alternate third act where the zombies are set upon
1:38:08
by a group of angry clones. Regardless, Infinity Pool is an
1:38:12
existential, dread laden film that echoes the works of the
1:38:16
Superfly elder Cronenberg and leaves the audience wondering
1:38:20
what kind of dark Freudian instincts lie beneath the
1:38:23
surface of who they consider themselves to be.
1:38:26
Adolf, 10. And then he says, there it is.
1:38:28
Sorry. I think that this really kind of
1:38:31
highlights what's great about a movie like this is that people
1:38:34
are going to have such wildly differing opinions.
1:38:36
Even if they like the movie, they're going to have different
1:38:38
interpretations and reasons. They like it, and if they don't
1:38:41
like it, it might be for reasons that somebody else does like it.
1:38:45
And I think, honestly, I think that's good art.
1:38:49
If it makes people talk about it exactly, I agree.
1:38:52
Yeah, it it it's creating good conversations here.
1:38:55
So far, nobody's had a wrong take, yeah.
1:38:58
Well, I mean, that's our whole thing, is that everybody has a
1:39:00
wrong opinion about horror. I mean, I might disagree with it
1:39:02
and jokingly say it's wrong, but ultimately you like what you
1:39:05
like and it doesn't make you not a horror fan for not liking
1:39:07
something. Yeah, OK, over the Twitter,
1:39:11
First off we have chat says tied for my fave movie of the year.
1:39:15
But never never expected the SLO Jack to be that threatening.
1:39:19
Or OK, hold on, never expected the SLO Jack to be that
1:39:24
threatening. Or for me, a goth's breast to
1:39:27
birth whatever drug induced matter that they did.
1:39:32
Also, where can I get my hands on some of those psychedelics?
1:39:36
I don't want to take those psychedelics.
1:39:39
If I see that type of shit coming out of nipples, I don't
1:39:43
need to see nipples giving birth.
1:39:45
I respect you, Chad. You know, like I I try to say to
1:39:49
like. You really have sort of about
1:39:50
these nipples? Yeah.
1:39:52
No, no, no, I I just can't. No, no.
1:39:54
But you know what? I respect you.
1:39:56
Sound like conservatives after Janet Jackson and Justin
1:39:59
Timberlake performed at the Super Bowl.
1:40:03
I'm pro nipple. Throw a nipple absolutely.
1:40:06
But once it starts to grow and like, give birth, that's
1:40:10
whenever I draw the line and I back out there.
1:40:12
Hey man, let nature be nature. OK, Next up Aquile Boobs.
1:40:18
I like this is a unique type of review and I assume this is his
1:40:22
reaction to like start of the movie all the way to the end of
1:40:26
the movie and it's told through a story of 1234567891011 emojis.
1:40:32
So it starts off, cry laughing, Next up laughing with a little
1:40:36
sweat at the top. Next up cheese and smile.
1:40:39
Next up just a little smile. Next up flat face just like
1:40:44
mouth flat. Next up, crooked frown.
1:40:47
Next up ooh Next up, Next up, pale.
1:40:54
Next emoji, dizzy face. Next one dead.
1:40:59
And then it just says what the fuck?
1:41:03
You know what? If I read that review about a
1:41:05
movie, I'd be like, color me intrigued.
1:41:08
Yeah, honestly, that that could be the tagline too.
1:41:11
Just put those emojis up there, in that order and then what the
1:41:15
fuck? OK, Next up Kevy Calf.
1:41:19
The question of who are we really is never answered.
1:41:22
In some ways it infuriated me, but it also made me really
1:41:25
respect them for not spoon feeding, leaving it open-ended,
1:41:28
and leaving my brain scrambled. Just like the protagonist.
1:41:31
Brilliant move for this specifically.
1:41:35
I respect that because like, I want a resolution out of that,
1:41:39
but I actually really respect them.
1:41:42
Leaving it open-ended there. Yeah, well, it kind of gives you
1:41:45
more of a like, cuz I mean, that's the thing too.
1:41:48
I know, like, we could have explored the like, is he the
1:41:51
real, the original James, or is he a double?
1:41:54
Ultimately, we don't know. Ultimately, honestly, he doesn't
1:41:57
know either. And he's just been through a lot
1:41:58
and he doesn't even know who he is as a person.
1:42:00
Without even taking in that existential point of like, am I
1:42:04
the real me? Yeah, exactly.
1:42:06
Yeah. And also just like, you know,
1:42:08
delving into like the way it changes, I think that we're all
1:42:11
saying the same thing with that. Yeah, we all wanted that.
1:42:13
But we respect that it didn't go that way because it feels
1:42:16
obvious. Yes, yeah, exactly.
1:42:18
I'm like I said, I'm very happy that we got the movie we got
1:42:21
instead of what it could have very easily been, the very
1:42:24
predictable route, Mandy says. I had zero idea what this movie
1:42:29
was going into it, which made it all more satisfying. 100% my
1:42:34
experience with it. I didn't know anything other
1:42:37
than like that shot of me. A goth.
1:42:38
Like laughing with her jawfully unhinged in the trailer.
1:42:43
That's all I knew. That's all I needed.
1:42:45
And I this is 1 actually. Normally.
1:42:49
I mean like the trailer didn't really give anything away for
1:42:52
this. Like really it was perfect for
1:42:54
this. Like I kind of got you in tree.
1:42:56
Well, and it's like one of those, It's kind of like with
1:42:58
Cabin in the Woods or Barbarian, where you see the trailer and
1:43:01
you think the movie's going to be about one thing.
1:43:04
Like you see the trailer and you're like, OK, clearly we're
1:43:06
going to have issues with cloning.
1:43:08
Yeah. And that ultimately just kind of
1:43:11
is like. You know what sets off the
1:43:14
events? But it's not like the main
1:43:15
thing. Yeah, Which you know is what a
1:43:17
trailer should be like. It's enough to like pique your
1:43:21
curiosity. Yeah, and I fully support going
1:43:24
into Movies Blind all the time, and this is a perfect movie to
1:43:26
go in blind to. Yeah, I mean, you can watch the
1:43:28
trailer, but going in blinds always gonna be better.
1:43:31
Yeah. And finally, movies for days,
1:43:35
says a creepy vibe. You swim in season with self
1:43:38
destruction and dehumanization, complete with scrappy Do it
1:43:42
yourself. sci-fi tech. A bit like the most dangerous
1:43:45
game, but more dour and debaucherous.
1:43:48
My fucking jam. Fuck yeah, yeah, I vibe with all
1:43:53
that too, man. You know, it's a similar, I like
1:43:56
that comparison to the Most Dangerous game because they are
1:44:00
like just fucking with other humans for their own
1:44:02
entertainment because they're rich and they can Exactly, yeah,
1:44:05
it's a different way to tell the story and.
1:44:08
I like that, Yeah. It also kind of gives them,
1:44:11
like, you know, they do have to pay consequences, literally.
1:44:13
Like, they're just paying for it.
1:44:14
But like, it's crazy, man. All right, OK, that's the
1:44:19
reviews. OK, so a lot more in life for
1:44:21
this than, hey, I don't think anybody actually didn't like it
1:44:24
other than the review that you pulled.
1:44:26
Yeah, I think it just, I think it didn't get enough marketing
1:44:30
with it like, yeah. We saw a couple of shots of like
1:44:35
Mia Goth and Alexander Scarsgard being weird at the red carpet,
1:44:38
which, by the way, SAG, AFTRA and the WGA are still on strike.
1:44:42
They can't promote their works, you know, in ways such as that,
1:44:46
yeah, showing pictures of the dog.
1:44:48
Yeah, so please support. The people, the creative people
1:44:53
that make movies like this happen.
1:44:55
Yes, although I feel like this movie right here would have This
1:44:59
is like a neon one, right? Yes, I feel like neon is very
1:45:01
much like 824. They're probably like on
1:45:04
probably. In terms of yeah, made, made
1:45:06
good things happen, yeah, yeah. But I'd be interested in looking
1:45:10
that up. I know some studios have been
1:45:11
like, yeah, you know, it is reasonable that you wanna be
1:45:13
paid. Neon just seems like another
1:45:15
version of a 24, basically. Like, yeah, we make weird shit
1:45:18
to you guys. Like, well, yeah, we're the dog.
1:45:20
Here, we're gonna be watching another neon movie here shortly.
1:45:24
And here it goes. West's neon fib is it?
1:45:26
Yeah. Ash Yeah, yeah.
1:45:27
Yeah, yeah, it's fall time. That means it's time for one of
1:45:31
my favorite I it's it's not a fall movie, but I associate it
1:45:35
with fall because we watched it in the fall the first time and
1:45:37
came out in the fall. Yeah, it's my fall movie now.
1:45:40
That's fair. But yeah.
1:45:43
So Nope, it's parking. So I guess that means it's time
1:45:46
for us to go. Ah, well, first next week.
1:45:49
Yes. Kiss me fat boy.
1:45:52
Yeah, yeah, we're talking the IT miniseries.
1:45:56
We're gonna try and tackle 3 hours of content.
1:45:58
We've done it before. We can do it again, yeah.
1:46:00
We do it with Mitsun. Yeah, and we're talking the 1990
1:46:05
miniseries it with Tim Curry, it actually.
1:46:10
Amazingly, just came to streaming this month.
1:46:14
Yeah, what was it all? Was it on TV?
1:46:16
Yeah. So it's free for people who want
1:46:18
to watch. It it's free on TV, you can rent
1:46:20
it for $4 from Prime, which again, you're hitting three
1:46:23
hours worth of content for that. It's worth it.
1:46:25
You can buy it for like 6 bucks on Amazon right now.
1:46:29
You could probably walk into Walmart and find it in the $5
1:46:31
bin because that's where our copy came from.
1:46:33
Absolutely, Yeah. So you could do.
1:46:34
That it's. Amazing.
1:46:37
You get Tim Curry and John Ritter.
1:46:40
I don't know if does anything else need to be said to convince
1:46:44
you to watch it. One more thing, Seth Green.
1:46:47
Oh shit. Yeah, he's Richie.
1:46:50
He did it. Yeah.
1:46:52
OK. Yeah.
1:46:53
Yep, Yep. So it's a good little cast, good
1:46:55
little movie. So we're going to be talking
1:46:58
about that. So watch it and.
1:46:59
I'm you guys don't even understand because for a long
1:47:02
time Travis Lee, I don't give a shit about the 1990 it.
1:47:05
And then he was like, you know what?
1:47:06
I want to talk about this. I want to talk about 1998 I
1:47:08
never said I didn't care about. It back in the day, several
1:47:12
years ago, you're like, I don't think it's that scary.
1:47:14
No, I've always liked it. No, you didn't, dude.
1:47:17
I had a copy of it growing up. I remember us talking about
1:47:21
this. I have watched this with like
1:47:23
friends all the time. We showed it to, like, Chelsea's
1:47:26
friend. One time I scared the shit of
1:47:27
her because she was scared. Clowns.
1:47:30
No, I've always been terrified of this movie.
1:47:32
I remember like, when we were watching it, we weren't supposed
1:47:34
to and one of us, like, walked themselves in the bathroom
1:47:39
because they were so scared of it, like we were children.
1:47:42
When we watched it, it made a very early impression on us.
1:47:45
I'm talking to Stephen King in general.
1:47:48
Like his adaptations are things that I am not like always big
1:47:51
on. But no, I've always been a fan
1:47:54
of the 1998. I know it's cheesy and it's not
1:47:57
like maybe that's a hold up. I don't know.
1:48:00
It's been a long time since I've watched it.
1:48:01
I think it's great. I like, I definitely think it
1:48:04
benefited from having like a reboot with modern effects
1:48:09
technology. But I love the 1990 version.
1:48:14
Yeah, I love it. I'm so excited to talk about it
1:48:16
and I think they both have like a place, yeah.
1:48:20
Yeah, Well, Okay, we got a lot of time to talk about that next
1:48:24
week. Just whatever you wanna do, you
1:48:30
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1:50:02
So yeah, so fuck Oh my God, that went tip first onto my toe and
1:50:08
it hurt. I know what our outtake is.
1:50:13
This movie knows a lot about Tip first, OK?