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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 340 - Ordering Oswald's Ordnances · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: I don't know what he's up to. He's picking me
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  Speaker 1: like chicken, shofting me like corn.
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  Speaker 2: Storing me like an ice.
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  Speaker 3: Um, can I ask you something?
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  Speaker 2: Honey?
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  Speaker 1: Come on, the man's trying to get some that's okay,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, ask away. I just got to know the
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  Speaker 1: Kennedy assassination. Did Oswald act alone? Hey, that's for me
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  Speaker 1: to know.
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  Speaker 4: And Olivers, I like your hair in the middle of
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  Speaker 4: the silver hair?
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  Speaker 2: How old are you?
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  Speaker 5: Seventy?
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  Speaker 4: Who killed JFK?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to read all those pages?
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  Speaker 6: Who do you think killed?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think the government?
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  Speaker 6: Ko?
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  Speaker 5: Now the disruptor and Chief Elon Musk, who apparently has
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  Speaker 5: adopted the alias at least he changed his social media
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  Speaker 5: handle to Harry Balls, tweeted this morning, democracy in America
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  Speaker 5: is being destroyed.
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  Speaker 6: Yoyo, it's your boy, the Tesla King, Elon Musk. The
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  Speaker 6: boys always make my rocket shoot straight up. No, homo,
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  Speaker 6: The Triple B and Joe.
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  Speaker 3: B isuo me show me, then show me then show
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  Speaker 3: me Joey, then show me.
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  Speaker 7: Sellom Joe kill we.
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  Speaker 1: And here we go.
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  Speaker 5: What is up?
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  Speaker 4: Everybody? Welcome in on this lovely rainy here Friday evening.
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  Speaker 4: It is episode number three hundred and forty of the
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  Speaker 4: Loneoming Podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Rob Clark, otherwise
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  Speaker 4: known as Big Bad Bob, otherwise known as the Triple B,
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  Speaker 4: and of course alongside is Joe b mister Joe BURRELLI
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  Speaker 4: what's up, Joe Hey?
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  Speaker 1: Happy Friday? Do you wrong?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, sir, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I think that brainstorm. I think that rainstorm is moving north.
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  Speaker 1: It's supposed to ring here tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: I just heard it, a pecking on the window a
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  Speaker 4: little bit. Rain drops. They must have just started.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully we don't get another tree coming down on
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  Speaker 1: the side of your house.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, hopefully not and knock out my internet. But anyway,
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  Speaker 4: tonight we got a special treat for you. One of
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  Speaker 4: my favorite guests that I've had on the show and
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  Speaker 4: one of your favorite guests as well. Everybody who who
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  Speaker 4: hears him loves him. Gil Jesus is joining us tonight. Gil.
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  Speaker 4: Are you there, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I am. Can you hear me?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Welcome in, Gil. How you doing, buddy, not bad,
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  Speaker 4: not bad, good good, Welcome back to the show man.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I think this is your first time
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  Speaker 4: actually doing it live on the YouTube. We used to
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  Speaker 4: do it, you know, we do it live on video.
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  Speaker 4: I talked to you, but people only heard us then.
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  Speaker 4: So now already can see this. And part of the
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  Speaker 4: cool thing here is, as we're doing this live, dude,
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  Speaker 4: we got like, I don't know, fifty or sixty people
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  Speaker 4: that love to hang out in the chat section and
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  Speaker 4: and do their own thing or contribute to the show.
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  Speaker 4: So that's very cool. I mean, you're already getting some
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  Speaker 4: love here, Gil, So let's welcome in some of our
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  Speaker 4: folks here. We got Alpha sixty six, who will be
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  Speaker 4: in a little later. Colleen emailed me she is not
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  Speaker 4: going to be in the chat tonight, but she will
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  Speaker 4: be listening. She's having some some pump trouble, which I
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  Speaker 4: told her. I said, there's a joke in there somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: There definitely is.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul's Paul's in the house. Was up, Paul James,
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  Speaker 4: He says, Gil, Jesus angleton No, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: don't compare Gill to Jesus James, Jesus Angleton, don't do that.
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  Speaker 4: Gil is from Pauls. Who's in the house. Sally is
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  Speaker 4: up in the house from across. A big fan of Gills,
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  Speaker 4: she says, always fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, mister.
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  Speaker 4: J S V Jesus the Crown. Yes, and John, thank
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  Speaker 4: you so much for the super chat. We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, John. And like I was saying to you
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  Speaker 1: a couple of minutes before we came on, Gil been
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  Speaker 1: a big fan of your work. I was just a
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  Speaker 1: listener in the years before. Rob and I have been
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  Speaker 1: doing this a year and a half now every Friday
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  Speaker 1: night Live, and I have to warn you, like Rob said,
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  Speaker 1: our audience is really smart and they keep us on
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  Speaker 1: our toes so they always and you know, if we
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  Speaker 1: got something wrong, they correct us.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's good.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I figured, you know, it's been a couple of years
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  Speaker 4: since we've had joined here, and I know you're always
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  Speaker 4: into something, so I forgot to reach out to you
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  Speaker 4: and say, hey, what you got going on? And you
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  Speaker 4: said you've been looking into a little bit into the
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  Speaker 4: guns of Oswald and you know, did he really order them?
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  Speaker 4: When did he actually get him you know what the
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  Speaker 4: hell's going on here? And you know a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people looked into this thing over the years, and there
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  Speaker 4: are questions. Of course, there are questions. So let's get
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  Speaker 4: into it. Gil. What did you find out when you
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  Speaker 4: started looking into Oswald's procurement of his weaponry?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the first thing that hits to me right off
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  Speaker 2: the bat is that he used two different moos. If
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  Speaker 2: you will motus uparandi, you use two different methods to
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  Speaker 2: order these weapons. One he sent cash, allegedly sent cash
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  Speaker 2: through the mail for the handgun, and the other one
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  Speaker 2: he sent the money order for the rifle supposedly. This
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  Speaker 2: is the question is why why didn't he send the
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  Speaker 2: money order for the handgun while he was at the
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  Speaker 2: post office?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, so this is one thing that hits me.
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  Speaker 2: There's two different methods of payment here. Another thing that
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  Speaker 2: hit me strange was that these two weapons were allegedly
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  Speaker 2: ordered on the same day, on the on the twelfth
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  Speaker 2: of March, and they both took seven days eight days
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  Speaker 2: to process. They both were shipped on the same day.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, even though they are two different weapons
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  Speaker 2: using two different methods of payment, going to two different
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  Speaker 2: areas of the country, and all of these dates line up,
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  Speaker 2: they're all the same, and to me that sounds a
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  Speaker 2: little strange.
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  Speaker 4: So where was Seaport Traders coming from? Was that California? California? Yeah, la, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and uh with Chicago, right.
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  Speaker 2: So I started taking a look at the order blanks
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  Speaker 2: and reading some of the testimony from when he was
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  Speaker 2: in New Orleans and Adrian Alba, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you remember, Adrian Albert had testified that Oswald had been
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  Speaker 2: asked him how to order through the mail, okay, and
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  Speaker 2: he and he was practicing ordering through the mail. Alba
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  Speaker 2: said that there were magazines that Oswald removed from his garage,
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  Speaker 2: and I believe this is again this is only my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: I can't prove it. I believe that the two order
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  Speaker 2: blanks for the for the alleged murder weapons came from
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  Speaker 2: magazines and Adrian Alber's garage. I believe that Oswald filled
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  Speaker 2: them out, but I don't believe he ever mailed them.
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  Speaker 2: I believe that these were these were retrieved from Alba's
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  Speaker 2: garage after the assassination, and from the documents I've seen.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I'll tell you some of the documents
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  Speaker 2: because this is what I believe.
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  Speaker 4: Now the uh have you checked it? You know, the
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  Speaker 4: handwriting with the Oswald on the world.
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  Speaker 2: Not me personally. I'm going by what they said. They
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  Speaker 2: said Oswald filled it out. I'll give him that, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Oswald filled it out. But he never mailed it because
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  Speaker 2: when the money order was purchased on the twelfth, at
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  Speaker 2: ten o'clock in the morning on March twelfth, he was
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  Speaker 2: at work. All of his worksheets proved proved that he
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  Speaker 2: was at work, and every minute of the day on
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  Speaker 2: that date he was at work. So he didn't buy
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  Speaker 2: that money order. He never purchased that money order. That
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  Speaker 2: money order, that money order was never processed through the
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  Speaker 2: Federal Reserve. It always only stamped the deposit with Klein's
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  Speaker 2: stamp on the back of it. That was it. But
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  Speaker 2: it never went through the payment process. See when you
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  Speaker 2: go through the payment when it goes through the payment process,
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  Speaker 2: every bank cast the stamp it so they know who
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  Speaker 2: gets paid right before it gets to the Federal reserve. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that didn't happen. The bank never stamped it, so the
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  Speaker 2: bank never paid on it. The money order is a fake,
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  Speaker 2: that's what it means.
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  Speaker 4: And and he was working at Jagger's child stove, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, he was working there. And now the the
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  Speaker 2: the warring commissioned supporters say, well, the time sheets they
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  Speaker 2: really weren't you know. He testified that the time sheets
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  Speaker 2: weren't really uh uh accurate. Right. But he also Robert Stowell,
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  Speaker 2: he also, if you remember, testified that Oswald was not
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  Speaker 2: involved in any top secret work for his company. Oswald
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  Speaker 2: never got near any of the top secret work. But
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  Speaker 2: if you look at Oswald's worksheets, they say Army Map Service.
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  Speaker 2: His company was doing secret work for the Army Map
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  Speaker 2: Service during the Cuban Missile crisis. They were mocking maps
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  Speaker 2: that the U twos were taken from the sky and
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  Speaker 2: they were mocking them. So what what was what on
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  Speaker 2: that on that map? And Oswald's worksheets say Army Map
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  Speaker 2: Service on him in AMS, which is an abbreviation for it,
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  Speaker 2: he was working on top secret. How the hell does
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  Speaker 2: a defected to the Soviet Union get access to top
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  Speaker 2: secret material? Right?
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  Speaker 4: A marine with an undesirable or dishonorable discharge?
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  Speaker 2: Right? So and that's another thing. I mean, I could
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  Speaker 2: I could go into that and say, you know, how
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  Speaker 2: does a guy make his Marxist views, normal overtly expose
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  Speaker 2: his Marxist views in the Marine Corps in the nineteen fifties.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, that's not real and they accept it. They
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  Speaker 2: don't throw them out of the Marine Corps. Come on,
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  Speaker 2: something else is going on there, right But anyways, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting off the subject. So anyways, he goes to
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  Speaker 2: Jaggers Child's and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and ironically, Gil that was probably his most consistent
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  Speaker 1: and probably logest running job he had since he came
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  Speaker 1: since he came back, and right sixty two. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how exactly long he worked there, but if we
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  Speaker 1: look at his work history after it's it's it's a mess,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: And I only bring up Oswall working on the Army
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  Speaker 2: Map Service because I want to show you that Robert
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  Speaker 2: Stovell is not an a credible witness. Okay, he's lying
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  Speaker 2: on the olth. He's committing perjury because his company has
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  Speaker 2: a government contract that they don't want to lose. They
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  Speaker 2: don't want the governor. He's not going to testify. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we let him, we do it. We screwed up. They
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  Speaker 2: don't want to do that because they're going to lose
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  Speaker 2: the government contract. That's a lot of money. So he
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  Speaker 2: lies and says no, he never had access to that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So as far as whatever he says about the time sheets,
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  Speaker 2: he's not a credible witness in my view. Okay. So,
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  Speaker 2: and to work there, he had to have some kind
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  Speaker 2: of a clearance. They had to know that he was okay,
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  Speaker 2: otherwise he never would have had that access. So anyways,
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at the let me get back on the
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  Speaker 2: subject of the order blank. I'm looking at the order
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  Speaker 2: bank blank for the handgun now, and the order blank
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  Speaker 2: for the handgun has all kinds of mistakes on it.
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  Speaker 2: Let me see if I can find. Yeah, he's got
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  Speaker 2: a couple of places where he's crossed out. The one
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  Speaker 2: was for AMMO for the thirty eight. The other one
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  Speaker 2: was for a hold stock. He crossed it out. He
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  Speaker 2: had written it in by hand and crossed it out.
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  Speaker 2: One was a dollar ninety five, and I think the
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  Speaker 2: other one was a dollar twenty five. And so this
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  Speaker 2: tells me that this order blank is not real. He's practicing.
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  Speaker 2: He's practicing ordering something. He has no clue what he's
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  Speaker 2: doing because it says right on the order blank, cod
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  Speaker 2: require one half deposit, and he mocks on top of
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  Speaker 2: it ten dollars and closed ten dollars check or twenty
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  Speaker 2: nine to ninety five money order. No, he didn't send
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  Speaker 2: any money order. So here he has no idea what
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  Speaker 2: he's doing. He's blocking it, saying money order a check
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  Speaker 2: on money order. It doesn't It doesn't say yeah, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he sent ten dollars to Lee. He sent ten dollars cash,
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  Speaker 2: but on the order right on you. Yeah, But but
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  Speaker 2: then the other one he sent the he sent the
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  Speaker 2: money order. I don't understand why he would send cash.
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  Speaker 2: But anyways, on the same day, on the same same
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  Speaker 2: day when he's at work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done in two different forms of payment exactly,
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  Speaker 1: which makes right?
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  Speaker 2: That doesn't it makes makes sense. So this is all
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  Speaker 2: bread flags to me, Joe. So it says it ten
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  Speaker 2: dollars and says he unclosed and it's blank, he marked
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  Speaker 2: ten dollars check or another blank. He puts down twenty
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  Speaker 2: nine to ninety five money order. Then it says after
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  Speaker 2: in parenthes coeods require half deposit. Now he doesn't know
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  Speaker 2: what he's doing. He's filling this thing out and he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have a clue what he's doing. Everything on this
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  Speaker 2: order blank is wrong. It puts down a J. Hadel
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  Speaker 2: age twenty eight. He wasn't twenty eight, date one twenty seven,
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  Speaker 2: and it's hard to read the year. It might say
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  Speaker 2: sixty three. I'm not sure, but it says one witness
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  Speaker 2: df Driddle. Everything on here is is is not real.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm saying to myself, this is him practicing. He's
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  Speaker 2: not sending this out. He's practicing. And so all of
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  Speaker 2: this stuff doesn't make any sense to me. And here's
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  Speaker 2: an interesting thing because after the assassin the day after
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  Speaker 2: the assassination, and this is another thing I found out.
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  Speaker 2: This is what makes me think he was practicing. They
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  Speaker 2: went and got the magazines after the assassination. After the assassination,
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  Speaker 2: the day after the Saturday, in Adrian Alber's garage, his
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  Speaker 2: assistant manager and I can't think of his name right now,
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  Speaker 2: but assistant manager was working that day. This guy who
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  Speaker 2: he never seen before, never seen him around the neighborhood,
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  Speaker 2: didn't know who he was. He comes walking into the
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  Speaker 2: garage and he wants to borrow Adrian Albers. Wants to
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  Speaker 2: borrow a couple of Adrian Alber's gun magazines. Okay, so
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  Speaker 2: he tells the guy go ahead, So he said he
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  Speaker 2: was only there for a few minutes and he left.
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  Speaker 2: He said he didn't know because he went back to
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  Speaker 2: his desk, and from his his vantage point, he couldn't
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  Speaker 2: tell if the guy took any magazines or not. I
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  Speaker 2: think he did. I think he took two magazines. I
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  Speaker 2: think he took the February nineteen sixty three American Riflemen
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  Speaker 2: that had the coupon.
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  Speaker 4: For the for the rifle, and the other one was
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  Speaker 4: on you know, I'm threw it up here for Yeah. Really,
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  Speaker 4: that's the cool point.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. It's also listed on the Commission Exhibit seven ninety.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Rob, let me see if this works. Is this
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  Speaker 1: uh would referring to go no, No.
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  Speaker 2: The on the one rob puts up, put up is
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  Speaker 2: the one I was referred to because that's for the handgun.
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  Speaker 2: You can see where it says enclosed ten dollars check
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  Speaker 2: or twenty nine to ninety five money order, and underneath
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  Speaker 2: it says CODs require fifty percent deposit a half deposit.
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  Speaker 2: And all of this information on this thing is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: This tells me the guy was practicing.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't.
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  Speaker 2: He had no intention of sending this. He used his
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  Speaker 2: old post office box. He used the wrong age. He
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  Speaker 2: was just practicing, That's that's all he was doing.
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  Speaker 4: He's the witness supposed to be John Duddell.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was just a fake name that
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  Speaker 2: he had made up.
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  Speaker 5: D F.
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  Speaker 2: Driddle.
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  Speaker 1: There's a there might be a joke in there too.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But uh so this guy shows up
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  Speaker 2: on a Saturday and he takes some well we hearsn't
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  Speaker 2: know if he took some magazines or not. He said
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  Speaker 2: he didn't know the guy, he'd never seen him before.
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  Speaker 2: And but he's so they asked Adrian Alba, you know
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  Speaker 2: who your friends would? Uh would? He adds, no idea,
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  Speaker 2: He has no idea. Why would you walk into a
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  Speaker 2: parking garage and asked to borrow used magazine's gunman magazines?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's actually my question, Gil, that's actually my question
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  Speaker 1: because are you insinuating that Oswald had filled out some
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  Speaker 1: of the order forms in those magazines and they went
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  Speaker 1: to get it, Because why, to your point, why couldn't
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  Speaker 1: they just get any random gun magazine unless they knew
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  Speaker 1: he had filled them out or.
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  Speaker 2: They just thank you? Yeah, you're right, Joe, because I
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  Speaker 2: believe that. Again, can't prove it because they never recorded
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  Speaker 2: the interrogation sessions, but I think he turned around and
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  Speaker 2: told them I never owned the gun. I filled out
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  Speaker 2: some applications back in New Orleans, but I never mailed them.
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  Speaker 2: And they say, well, what magazines were those from? And
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  Speaker 2: if he told them which magazines they were from, all
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  Speaker 2: they had to do is send somebody over there pick
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  Speaker 2: up those magazines. Like the guy said, he was only
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  Speaker 2: in here for a few minutes. If he knew what
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  Speaker 2: magazines to look for, it ain't going to take long
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  Speaker 2: to find them. And if they're still there, the guy
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  Speaker 2: had like eighty two, one hundred and twenty magazines, so
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  Speaker 2: he kept them. It wasn't like he threw them away.
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  Speaker 1: Do we know what time they came on the twenty third? Uh?
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  Speaker 2: I believe it was before nine o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Really, I think so.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I think it was early in the morning. I think
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I believe the document I have. I believe it was
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: early in the morning.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Was it Debris?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Was that?
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Was it Debrize Warren de Brize?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: No, No, I think Debrize was at some point sent
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: to Dalla from New Orleans. Yeah, I mean maybe he
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: maybe he took the magazines on the way.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: De Breeze was the guy that was running Oswald in
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: New Orleans. Oswald Oswald had turned on the CIA. Oswald
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: was a CIA source originally, and what he did was
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: when he turned on them to the FBI. Remember when
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: the Kennedys were shutting down all the training camps in
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the summer of nineteen sixty three. Oswald was the source
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: for the July thirty first, nineteen sixty three raid on
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the camp at Lake Poncha train When that happened. Right
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: after that happened, is when Oswald starts getting this public
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: persona of being a castro sympathizer. This is when they
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: set them up. When they find out that he's the rat.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: He's the one that turned them in. So now that
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: they turn around and they go back on him, they
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: turn on him, and that's what's That's how they set
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: oswalll up. These training camps were training, they were training
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the Cubans under the cover of a second invasion of Cuba.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: This is what again, this is all what I believe
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: from what I've read, They were training these Cubans for
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: a second invasion of Cuba. Kennedy's had no intention of
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: invading Cuba. A second time, it wasn't going to happen.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: It was the CIA that was gonna do. They were
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: doing this under the cover, but it was what they
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: were really doing was they were training teams of assassins
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: to go around the country to kill the president. That's
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: what this was all about. That's what I believe was
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: all about. And when they shut that camp down, they
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: were pissed. They were really mad, and so they set
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Ozwal up. They already knew what they what the final
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: act was gonna be. They set ozwalll up and uh
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: that's how he got to be chosen as the patsy,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: because he had turned on the CIA back in New Orleans.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: But anyways, I think this is what happened. They sent
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: the They sent the uh uh somebody. It could have
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: been anybody. It could have been. It doesn't necessarily mean
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the guy that came into the garage was involved in
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: a conspiracy. They could have sent anybody. They could have
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: sent just you know, any any Cuban exile there. He
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: said he was an old friend of Alba's, but Alba
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: said he never he didn't know who he was. And
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: you know that, Uh, the bruise was running running Oswal
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: because Uh, the bar guy said, the guy that owned
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the bar. See what the hell was his name? This
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: is what happens when you get old, you forget.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Was that?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Orris Penia said that he saw him together in
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: his bo. He saw together the guy that the guy
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: that wrote the book there, the author. It's an armament
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: of a man Cusso's restaurant together. I mean they were
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: seen all over town together. So he was running Oswald
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and he was running Oswald, I believe as part of
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: this Kennedy plan to shut down the training camps. And uh,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: that's why Oswald went in because that was a dr
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: E training camp. Oswald went in and uh Corlos Bringear's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: clothing store and offered to train Cubans. He wanted to
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: find out where this freaking camp was. And that's when
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: that's the next few days. They set him up down
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: on Canal Street, passing out the pro castro leaflets.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Questioned Arnesto Rodriguez first, and that's who sent him to
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: bring a right No, yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and so all of the it doesn't it
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: didn't necessarily have to be somebody who knew that the
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: president was going to get killed or whatever involved in
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a conspiracy to set up Oswell, they could have sent anybody,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: and they just told them, look, look for these two magazines. Okay,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: look for these two dated magazines, and those are the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: ones we want. Bring them out, loom. Now they get
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the magazines. So what do they do. They cut the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: thing out, They make up the fake money order, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: this is it. Just it doesn't make none of it
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: adds up. You know, when they wanted to find out
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: about the handgun, why didn't they go to Aria Express
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: it was supposed to have been shipped. Why did they
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: go to to the UH to the ship and get
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: copies of the shipping records from the ship, But why
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: didn't they go to the shipping company?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a question about the money order? So did Oswald
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: allegedly go to like a bank or social and give
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: cash to then like a teller, and then get the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: money order or is there any connection with like say
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: his think.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: The thing is Joe. They never explained it. They never
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: They never identified anybody the post office who sold them
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the money order. They never they never identified anybody in
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: the post office who handed him the rifle when it
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: came in. They never identified anybody at Aria Express that
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: handed him the handgun.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: So I mean, all these games that worked at the
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: post office, they're all FBI informants too. Yeah, yeah, like
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: like Harrie holds On who the New Orleans guy was,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: But I'm sure he was an FBI formant as well.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Harry Holmes was a snake.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. So I just have a quick question.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: So when he ordered them on the twelfth of March, right,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: did they get delivered to Dallas or did they get
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: delivered to New Orleans?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: He never because he never ordered them on March twelfth,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: He never know.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Where did the guns get shipped to.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Well, see, the handgun couldn't be shipped through the Postal
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Service because the Postal Service had rules that they could
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: you can, unless you're a gun dealer or like a
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: law enforcement officer or somebody in a law enforcement Korea,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you couldn't receive by the post office a gun. So
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: it had to be shipped by a private company. So
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: before there was ups there was Aria Express. So Aria
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Express shipped a handgun supposedly, and the rifle came from
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: through the post office. So the rifle went to the
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Dallas Post Office, but the handgun went to the Dallas
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Aria Express Office.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, because of course we know Oswalt was it. April
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: May goes to New Orleans shortly after the Walker shooting.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: He takes those guns allegedly with him, And what guns
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: do you think he had in New Orleans? Personally, if any,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they were these.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Guns, but I don't think he had any because Marina
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: never mentions the handgun.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, never saw a handgun, right, all right, And Ruth
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Ruth Payne never saw the rifle in New Orleans.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's a big that's a big question, right,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: is how did this rifle that was allegedly in New Orleans,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: right that Marina saw him practicing with right on the porch,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: right cocking it? How did it get back to New Orleans?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: If Ruth Payne denied it and Lee allegedly went there
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to Mexico, you could say, Okay, he brought the handgun allegedly,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you know, pulled it all on the table in the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Soviet embassy, you know, in front of all these KDB
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: people saying, you know whatever. You could assume that, just
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: let's assume that. But there's no plausible explanation as do
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I know how it got from New Orleans back to Dallas.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: So we go Dallas to New Orleans, back to Dallas.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: This rifle allegedly right right, And Ruth Payne never saw
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: her husband unloaded to Kyle when he got back to Dallas,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: he knew it, okay. And the landlady and the landlord
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: of the apartment that they rented in New Orleans saw
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: them unloading and loading the car. They never saw it.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: They never saw anything that looked like a rifle.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, supposedly it was wrapped in the blanket, but.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Nobody even saw the Nobody even saw the blanket.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: The only person that did say he saw it was
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: George Morrinshield, of course, but that was in Dallas before
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the Walker shooting or just around that time. He's the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: only person to my knowledge that said I saw the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: rifle in Oswalt's closet.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was that was after the Walker shooting. Okay,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: But it could very well have been George of the
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Martinshield's rifle.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Who knows, or a different rifle.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Or a different rifle right blur. There could have been
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the rifle that they used to take the backyard photographs.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: It could have been just a prop. Yeah, he could
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: have borrowed it from somebody just to just to take
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: those pictures.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: You know. When I was looking for the pictures for today,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I came across a different pistol that Lee Oswald had
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: that he sold to his brother Robert for ten bucks.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: And it was it was a nice looking pistol. You know,
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: it's nice silver, you know, good looking, good looking pistol.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: And he had engraved it with like these little dots
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: with his name on it. And then so was his brother.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: And Robert said, you know, Lee, Lee should have never
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: had a gun. And it actually the reason I saw it,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: it was up for auction. Somebody bought that thing for
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: thirty one thousand dollars.
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But this piece of crap that I always said,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: this looks like a freaking throwdown pistol. I mean, this
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: is a piece of shit. For it is.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: You want to hear some interesting things about this handgun?
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: That's horrible.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna believe it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Huh.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: When the Dallas police was searching in the I don't
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: know if it's a I think maybe it was the FBI.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: They were searching the Dallas gun shops to find out
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: who sold this handgun. Okay, and one of the gun
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: shops they came across. The guy that worked at the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: gun shops said to them, if this handgun had been
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: re chambered in England, because it came from England. It
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: was part of a shipment that came from England. It
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: was even stamped on at England. I think it was
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: part of a shipment. During the Second World War, the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: United States lent weapons to the British and part of
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the Len Lisa Act, and I think they came back
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: from England. And he said, if this gun had been
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: rechambered for thirty eight special in England, it would have
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: been done by this company called Coggswell and Harrison in London. Now,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the interesting thing about Cogswell and Harrison was that it
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: was a subsidiary of Interamco, the International Image Corporation and
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: nice do you smile? You know who went onco is
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: it's a subsidiary of the c I A.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Gil. We last week on the show, we did
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: a little segment on the Gary Underhill doc that you
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: know has been making the rounds and all the mainstream
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: media and everyone's like, look at this, this is brand new,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and of course it's been around there was some things that.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Were what was the things coming.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: The only part, Yeah, the only part or the most
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the part of the document that was released that is
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: finally not redacted had to do with Inner Armco and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the CIA keeping the profits relating to this. It was
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: all about in our armco and we we we talked
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: about how how it how they had connections to clients
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: as well. So it's funny though that that was the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: part that was redacted in that whole document that everyone's
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: making a big fuss over clients.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Was a was a customer of Interronco. And when they
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: were talking about what the FBI was doing their report
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: on which businesses, which arms company mail order houses were
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: dealing with this type of rifle six point five millimeters
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: malica cock candle, they go through all the companies that
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: are selling this and on the bottom a very last
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: sentence on it says Interronco does not handle this type
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: of rifle. Out of the clip blue, I mean, why
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: do you put that on there. You're telling us all
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the ones that all we want to know is who
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: does handle it? But they went out of their way
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: out of the clip blue to say Interronco doesn't handle
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: this type of rifle, and I thought that was funny
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: when I read it. But here it is the handgun
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: possibly passing through a subsidiary of the CIA, which is
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a CI which Interronco was started in nineteen fifty four
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: when the CIA wanted to overthrow Obbens in Guatemala, gave
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: same Cummings one hundred thousand dollars to start this business
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: because by law they couldn't buy weapons. CIA wasn't allowed
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: to buy weapons. So what they were doing was the military,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: certain people in the military were allowing these weapons in
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the military to disappear, and they were getting them through
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: their arms dealers, so they had plenty of they could
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: get plenty of weapons in a hurry.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I'm just gonna bring it
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: up really quickly just because I mentioned it. But on
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the left hand side gil as the previously redacted Underhill
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: doc and on the right is the one that was
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: just released in the new releases, and it says that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: inner Amco Corp. And Partner was redacted. An agency audit
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: established the network of these companies that the CIA made
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: a silent little profit on these transactions. It's all about
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Cummings only knows only as alias it's really interesting, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: we covered it last week.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but people don't really realizes that the CIA
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: had their hands and a lot of stuff. They had
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: their hands in college colleges and universities, They had their
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: hands in all kinds of businesses that seemed the legitimate businesses.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: The CIA had their hands and everything. They had their
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: hands in the media, they were all over the place,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: and this was a monster that Kennedy and his brother
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: were just there was no way that they were going
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: to defeat these guys. And so anyways, getting back to
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the weapons.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Can I stop you for one second. I wanted to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I start a couple comments from the chat, and I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: think Rob put one or two of them up, but
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to show them to you and get
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: your thoughts. Paul Cummings said, October November, you're talking about
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: sixty two is when George Demorrishield allegedly saw the rifle.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: So I guess it was way before the Walker thing.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And Sally said, asked, why the rifle to New Orleans
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: if you plan to go back to Dallas or to Mexico.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: So I'll say, I don't know what Oswald was planning
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: at that point where he was going to go or
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: come back to.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: But good question, Marina, Marina Oswald couldn't identify that that uh,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: that rifle she thought she thought at first she thought
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: it was the gun that he had in Russia.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and that's of course the famous She couldn't
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: tell if it was a shotgun or rifle or whatever.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And uh, mister js V asked, amazing, Ruth didn't find
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: it the rifle with all the other things.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: She magically, Yeah, that's true. That's true because there's a
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: woman who goes around shaking books upside down to get
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: notes out of books, and she doesn't she doesn't see
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the rifle, right right, So.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: All right, sorry, and yeah, you can get back to
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that now.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I just wanted to say that when it
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: comes to to MCO, that Clients was a customer of this.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: So it wouldn't have been hard for the CIA to
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: have let's say, blank blank order forms from clients or
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: something like that. It's not if they're different, for these
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: companies to have blank order froms from different companies that
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: they do business from and they just fill them out
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: in Toronco, I believe was busted. I thought I think
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: it was some Island in the Caribbean in nineteen sixty
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: seven and for illegal arms shipment. And I read this
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: somewhere and I've got the documents someplace on my computer
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: and they were busted. And uh, during the investigation, it
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: was found out that the shipping records had been falsified.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine Interromco falsified ship and records for weapons?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Come on, of course, that's what I say. That the
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: records here could be very very well be falsified. It's
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: not like they never did it before. I mean, come on,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: but it's just it's interesting that this guy shows up
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the day after the assassination and all of a sudden
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: they got the magazines. Now, if I was the FBI
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: guy in charge of this investigation, I'd say send my
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: agents down to Adrian Alba's garage and tell them to
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: look for these two magazines and see if they're still there.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: If they're not there, then I'd like to know what
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: happened to him. Because the reason why I believe those
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: those blanks would cut out later is because in and
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Rob had the graphic cup on the on the the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: two blank clients coupons. Yeah, there they are that were
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: found in the paying garage, allegedly found in the paying garage,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: So that means Oswald was cutting coupons out of magazines.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: They matched them up to the magazines that were in
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Adrian Alba's garage, So he was doing something over there
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: with magazines. And when you take a look at it,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: other than ordering these guns in March of nineteen sixty three,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: the only the time that a Hidel is known is
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: in New Orleans. Dell is never known before that, when
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: he lived in Dallas. No, there's no record of him
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: ever using that name. So the only time that that
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: name is that name first appears other than these two things,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: other than these two weapons. The ordering of these two
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: weapons is in Dallas. He is in New Orleans. So
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: that's what I think happened here. I think he filled
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: them out, He left them in the magazine. Adrian Albas said,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: he returned the magazine and he was from five to
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: ten days or three to ten days later, so he
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: filled them out, never sent them, closed the magazine, put
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the magazines back in his garage, like he said, And
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: when he was being questioned he mentioned it, they found
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: out which magazines he had filled them out. He sent
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: somebody over there, grabbed the magazines and hold them.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: I like that theory. I do.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's what I think. That's what
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I think happened, because why would anybody walk into a
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: pocket god garage rup and asked to borrow used gun magazines?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: What the hell is that all about?
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Does that make any sense? I mean, how do you
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: know from month to month whether or not those specials
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: that are on those ads are still are still legit?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it just doesn't make mistake.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: If only he would have fishing magazines instead of hunting magazine.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the reason why they ended up
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: with a forty inch rifle, because that's what was being
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: shipped later on at that time.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to ask you about.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna show you these two. I think I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: got one or two of these from your side or
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: maybe the forum. So I think the top is what
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: was being offered from August nineteen fifty two through February
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: sixty three. And this was the third only underlined thirty
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: six inch barrel.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Right right overall overall, Yeah, but to bear it but
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: to tip, yeah, Yeah.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: The bottom one is I think what was in the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: March copy on correct me if I'm wrong, Gill, because
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not me and the audience can use clarification on this.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: It says only forty inch barrel overall. And of course
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: we know the rifle that was found in the TSBD
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: was forty inch, right, but he ordered a thirty six.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Explain that for everyone.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the thirty six inch rifle was in
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the February nineteen sixty three American riflem.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Which he allegedly ordered it from.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: That's what they said. They said. They said that that's
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: where that's that's where it came from. And the bottom one.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I believe.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: They advertised it wasn't March sixty three. I think it
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: was a I think it was April sixty three they ordered.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: They advertised that, I believe. I'm not sure, but it
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: was advertised later in the year, in August, September, October,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: the rest later in the year, and then I think
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: in December they went back again to the thirty six.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I'd have to look it up, but
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: John Armstrong's got a big list of that stuff, and
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I've got it on my files, but I'm not sure.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, but he did order
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: he did order the thirty six.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Well at the time. What the record says is that
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: for the time that he ordered it, he ordered the
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: thirty six. If the record is correct, he ordered what's
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: called the Troops Special, which is the thirty six inch rifle.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: The forty inch rifle is known as a short rifle
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and the forty two inch rifle is known as a
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: long rifle. So he ordered the troops Special thirty six
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: inch rifle. Now, the warrant commission supporters claimed that the
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: forty inch rifle was they ran out of thirty six
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: is in the forty inch There's no evidence. There's no
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: evidence of that. And the thing is, I think there
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: was a difference in price of you know, five or
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: six cents between the two of them. They never gave
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: him a refund, So I don't believe that one rifle
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: was replaced with another one. I believe that this rifle
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: was they got this rifle. I think they got this
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: rifle later on in the year. And I don't think
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: it was even ordered.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: It just came through in Toronco.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I just pulled up Commission Document
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: eighty seven. Let's see. It is the Secret Service Report
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: of January eight sixty four. It's in the War Commission,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and it talks about you know, Waldman and the rifle
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: and that, you know, you could explain what happened with
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: some of the you know them trying to take other
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: orders or other the inventory of whatever clients had left
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: that kind of confused confuses me. But it says here
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: he ordered a model eighteen ninety one Troops Special, which
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: you would just refer to, which only refers to there's
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: only true special is only thirty six inches, right.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: The Troop Special is thirty six inches, that's right.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Right, But yeah, the one found on the sixth floor
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: was forty inches right right? Okay?
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Is that the right serial number.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Two seven sixty six, Yeah.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, I was thinking of nine to nine for some reason.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking to.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: See, Well, here's the interesting thing about this, uh, this
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: record that the clients had, it was on microfilm. They
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: never kept the original documents. It was all on microfilm.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Right now.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: When he when they asked this guy Walman, the president
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: of clients, and they never get the people that actually
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: do the shipping and receiving. They call you know, the
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: president of the company or the vice president of the company,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: who doesn't know his ask from a hole in the wall.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: All he does is sit in an office and and
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: take phone calls all day. But they get this guy
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Walman and they say to him if they they they
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: want him to identify the microfilm as the microfilm he found. Well,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: he says, yeah, it's the microfilm I found. And they
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: said the warrant commission, how do you know is testifying
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: to the warrant commission? Well, because I mocked the box
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: my initials on the box. Well, that's the box, that's
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: not the film inside. How do you know that the
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: film inside is the same film that you saw or
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: you found? Okay? So they never ask him if the
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: film inside is the same film that he saw on
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the reader on the morning of the twenty third, at
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: four thirty or four o'clock in the morning wherever it
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: was they found the finally found the record. He can
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: identify the box, that's fine, but what happens to the
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: film inside?
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: So I always thought it was the FBI that found
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: that microfilm.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Oh no, Wallman said he found it, okay, And and
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the guy that was with him, I figured his name
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: now mister Mitchell west West uh wes something Mitchell's Westbrook
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: or some west Westland. Anyways, he uh, he was with him,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and uh he said he was the one. Mister Walman
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: was the one that found the record of the C
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: two seven sixty six rifle. Now the FBI took that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: that film and then they turn around, they go back.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: The Secret Service goes there after the FBI has taken
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: the film and they claimed to verify that the rifle
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: was purchased by a Hiddell. How can they do that
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: if the FB has already taken the only record they got. Yeah,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: that record's on its way to Washington on a plane
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: with an FBI agent. How the hell does a secret
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: service able to verify that? That's a question I have.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Now Secret Service reports is that they went there. I
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: think it was I think you just put it up.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: They were a little while ago, something like three three
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: something in the afternoon, and uh they verified that it
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: was two seven sixty six was sold to Ahdel. How
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: does that happen with the film on its way to
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Washington with an FBI agent anyway? So okay, but during
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: his testimony he ident can identify the box and if
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I'm the deaf. If I'm the defense attorney, I'm saying you,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, you can identify the box. How do you
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: know the How do you know the film is the
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: film that you saw that night? How do you know
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: it's the same film?
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: So the FBI had had their own matter of fact,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: they had copies made of it. Why would they have
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: copies made if they made a copy of it and
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: they sent it back Declines because the according to Clines,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: he said he called the FBI complained that the Dog
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Committee was after his ass for for uh mailing it
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: mail order weapons. They want to investigate him, and he
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: needed that record because that had not only that purchase,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: it had other purchases on it. So they wanted to
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: see it, and he didn't have the record, So the
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: FBI had to make a copy. How about if the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: FBI altered that record and then turned around and made
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: the copy for him? I didn't. How do you know
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: the FBI didn't. You're dealing with You're dealing with people
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: who and the FBI had lied in their tests and
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: their reports. Because I've got video evidence of the the
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: witnesses saying I told the FBI this, and then the
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: FBI reports. There's something different that's on my website too.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: And we've run into reports just from like the John T.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Martin film and the and the Doyle film where they
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: captured Oswald on film on Canal Street in New Orleans,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: where they turned their they turned their films over to
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: the FBI and then get back uh changed versions of
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: the film that they gave the FBI, like misten some stuff.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: You know. So the fact that the FBI would alter
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: a film or or micro film is not out of
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: the room with possibility or does order form or we're
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: an order form much.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Harder to do a film.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: The light on their reports about what the witnesses said,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: the intimidated witnesses, they threatened witnesses Orris pine Uh not
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Ooris Pena. The other guy did the uh uh Yeah
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: it was Oris Pinia. He said that the Brewis threatened
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: to kill him. Yeah. So I mean if he said,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: if he said anything to the Warring Commission about him
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: being with Oswald, he was going to kill him. So,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I mean the FBI was really doing some shady stuff
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: back then, and so to think that they would alter evidence,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: of course they would. If Hoover said, this is what happened.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: This is what happened, and that's what they did. They
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: arrested the wrong guy for a crime he didn't commit.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Then they turned around and they tailor made the evidence
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: to match their theory. That's what happened here. And hey,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: they've done it before. Henry Wade arrested people before that
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: were the wrong people. Nineteen people that I know of,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: nineteen people cases that were overturned on DNA evidence because
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Henry Wade arrested the wrong guy.
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: He even sent an innocent man to the electric chair.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: And in one case he had he had evidence of
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: This was in a murder case. I think it was.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: He had evidence in a murder case where the tire
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: tracks of the perpetrated did not match the tire tracks
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: of the man he had accused, and he knew that
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: and he hid that from the defense and he let
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: the guy get convicted. I mean, this is these people,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: these people with snakes. Yeah, we really were.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Real quick. Thank you Colleen and Brandon for the super chats.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Much appreciated. Wow, thank you, thank you so much, guys.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Rock Yeah and uh yeah, I have a couple comments
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I started. I can answer this for you. Mike. Why
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: does the bottom forty inch rifle look shorter than the
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: thirty six inch in that picture. Joe, it's because I
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: cropped it into My power points are not to scale,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: but jo opto economist, only the thirty six inch model
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: came scoped, not the forty inch.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: That's a good point, and he speak, yeah, that's a
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: good point. You know that they found that out during
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: the House of Like committee and assassinations. They found out
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: they finally got the guy who actually did the scope
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: on the rifle, and they found out that they did
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: not They did not mount the scope. Clients did not
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: mount the scope on a forty inch rifle. Only the
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: thirty six came into scope you could order.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: There is no order receipt or anything for an extra
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: ordered scope.
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: No, and.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: They did not put the scope on the forty inch rifle.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, if you read the testimony
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: of Robert Frasier during the Warring Commission, he tells the
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Warring Commission that they ordered a duplicate rifle to match
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: the one that they found on the sixth floor, and
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: they had to tell Cleins where to put the scope.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: They had to tell them it had to be so
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: many inches from here so many interest from that, and
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: they had to tell clients where to put the scope
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: because Clins never did that on a forty inch. So
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: that that just goes to prove that what the guy
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: said about them not mountain the forty the scope on
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: the forty inch, that was the truth.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: We have a I told you we have a very
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: uh smart chat here and Kat Taddy Steve, Hey, how
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: are you sir?
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: Uh?
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: He says, full length Carkano has the under butt sling.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: The short carbine has the through butt sling.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Well, there were two, two different slings. If you look
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: at the backyard photograph, that rifle has has bottom slings.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: That has a bottom sling. Month that the one on
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: the sixth floor I had side sling. Mother, So there's two.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: They're two different rifles. They're not the same rifle. And
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: so like I said, like I was saying, before they
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: could he could have borrowed somebody who's's rifle to do
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: those backyard photographs. Yeah, problem is a problem. The hunter
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: of fascist ha ha, you know what I mean? It
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: was all a big joke.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: If that was his body, yeah, well there's a there's
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: head on somebody does his body?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what they claim he said, But who
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: knows what he said. Who knows what he said during
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: the interrogation. You can't go by what the cops are saying,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: because the cops are going to lie through their tique.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: They're trying. They're trying to build the case against the guy.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: They're trying because they're gonna get sued if they find
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: out they arrested the wrong guy.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and one last thing, I uh starred mister James Smith,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: also a very smart member of her chat said, pointed
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: out the ad misidentified the Fortymes rifle also as a
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: quote Carpine the the d I had showed before, so hmm.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: And also, James, I'll blame Joe for the spelling of
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: ordinance in the title.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I don't make the titles, ladies.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I make the titles. I made a mistake. I apologize
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: any uh uh. Yeah, thank you James for pointing that out.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: We all make mistakes, mist Glad. If you tune into
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: our members only on Wednesday, you will hear me spend
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: a good ten minutes on the cuckoo lineup from last year. Yeah,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: which Rob got a big kickout.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: I couldn't stop laughing for like three minutes. You know,
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: it was funny. Gil Joe was announcing the lineup for
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: the conference this year in Dallas at the at the Cuckoo,
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: the Judy Baker Conference, and he was actually announcing the
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: lineup for last year's UH conference.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: And they had not updated their website, Sir. Some mistakes happened,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: But that's what that's.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Kind of like what I believe now. I believe that
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: they they framed Dodgewall because of what he did in
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: New Orleans and UH. I think that I think Mexico
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: was part of it. They they may have they had
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: made his reason for going to Mexico may have been
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: because that's where they moved the training camp. They may
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: have moved the training camp to Mexico and that's why
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: he went there. Now, that's a whole different ball of wax.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I don't really want to get into that because that's
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: a long story too big. Well, the CIA lied through
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: their teeth claiming that that guy was Oswald that they
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: took a picture of and and that the guy on
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: the phone was Oswald, and the FBI said that wasn't him.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, they have to be the secret between the
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: between the CIA and the anti Castro, Cubans man. They
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: were trying to pin this on Castro something awful, and
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I believe that's that was the plan, that was the
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: original plan, And this came, this came, This came right
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: out of Operation Northwoods. That's where this came from. That's
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: where it originated from. But they're gonna kill the president,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: blame it on Castro, and we're gonna go in and
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna take Castro out. Finally, That's what
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I think happened. They were because during the first the
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: first Bay of Pigs, the first invasion of Cuba, Castro
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be dead before those guys at the beach.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: He was supposed to be dead and they failed to
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: kill him and so he eurraaledies troops and the rest
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: is history. But he was supposed to be dead before that.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I think this time second invasion of Cuba, that they
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: were using the cover for this time JFK was going
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: to be the target. It wasn't going to be. I
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: think they even advertised it that they put out a
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: statement the it was a group in South Carolina, the
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: UH some fort down there that they were working the
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: cruise the Cubans the anti Castro Cubans. They said, from
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: now on, all of the energies that were being used
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: against Castro are now going to be used against the
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: American government. And Fort Jackson Commandos that's who they were.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: They were called the Fort Jackson Commandos Fort Jackson, South
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Carolin that's where they were stationed, and they were gonna
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: turn against the US government, meaning Kennedy. And I think
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: that's what happened here. I think that the plan to
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: kill Castro was switched over. Now, the latest file dump
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: that we've seen, there's nothing really there that's earth shattering.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a couple of good things, like the
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Slessinger memo and the fact that the CIA was watching
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Oswald way earlier than they said they were. And the
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: reason why they think they were was because he was
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: a source. He was the originally CIA. He was originally
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: a CIA source. That's why they sent them to Russia.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: But I think in the summer of sixties when he
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: came back, he agreed to the to the FBI to
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: be an informant. Now, he never provided them with any
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: information that we know of, But I think in the
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: summer of sixty three, after he left the coffee place there. Yeah, yeah,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: that you know that guy that owned that company was
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: a right wing extremist, that he was a financial backer
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: of all the of all the right wing causes, including
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: the anti Castro Cubans. And when you take a look
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: at this case, there were there were full warnings from
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: every everywhere. Everybody knew this was coming. This was a
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: people say, how can you keep a conspiracy like this
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: a secret? It wasn't a secret. Everybody knew it was coming.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: There were people that were picking up codes in the
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: military that this was going to happen. There were people
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: that were that knew ahead of time that this was
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: going to happen. One guy went in nineteen sixty one.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: He went to Dallas. This guy, he ended up committing
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: suicide in sixty three. He went to Dallas in nineteen
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: sixty one. He was from California. And when he went
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: back to California, his wife asked him he went to
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Dallas for something. I forget what it was. He said,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: if Kennedy ever goes to Dallas, they'll kill him. That
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: he's in nineteen sixty one. You know, and if you
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: want to read or if you listen, as a fewers
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: want to here's something really really scary. Listen to the
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: speech from revel O p Oliver called they shall not
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: be they shall not go unpunished. It's a nineteen sixty
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: one speech that he gave to the National Indignation Commit
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  Speaker 2: Convention in Dallas in nineteen sixty one. Listen to this,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: and he talks about the Kennedys and how they are
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: treason is and they can't they should not go unpunished.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: And you know, look at all the billboards right wanted
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: for treason. Welcome to Dallas, mister Kennedy, not President Kennedy,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Mister Kennedy. They didn't even recognize him as a president,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: and listing all these things that he that they've had
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: a beef with him about. I mean, this was a
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: dangerous place for him to go. He never never from
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: the Secret Service, from a security standpoint, I've added security
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: and police experience, never should have gone there in an
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: open cups. They should have taken him. If anything, they
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: should have taken him by helicopter. He never should have
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: gone rode through an open car to a place like that.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: And then they turn around and they change the arrangements
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: of the motorcade just before the motorcade. People are being
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: told that at love Field, you're going to ride behind
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: the car. The General's not going to sit in the
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: front seat this time. He's going to be going backwards.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: And Admiral Berkeley's protesting. He say, I'm supposed to ride
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: in the second car behind the President, and they're moving
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: him back. They're getting all these people out of the
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: line of fire so that they don't get hit, because
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: the Secret Service knows the shots are going to come
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: from the front, and that's why they're getting them out
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: of it. This is a setup. They're setting him up.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: They're driving him into an ambush. And what happens when
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: the shooting starts, the driver slows the card down. If
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: you watch the Zappruto film, he looks back twice. The
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: first time he looks back, he sees that Governor Connolly's
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: been hit, Kennedy's grabbing his throat. He slows the car down.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: That's at frame ninety four. He slows the car down
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: a second time, and he keeps it slowed down until
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: he's the President's had explode, and then he punches the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: accelerator to get out of there. Now, he never told
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: the warrant Commission that he slowed the car down or
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: turn twice. He said he turned back, he saw it,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: and then he stepped on the gas and took off.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: That was a lie. And the two agents in the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: front line, this was a setup, and they knew what
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: they were doing. And nobody ever got reprimanded for this.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Nobody the agents were out drinking all night long. They
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: supposed to be gotten the president. Nobody ever got reprimanded
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: for any of this. Why they wanted him out of office.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: They were successful in what they did, and they found
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: an excuse not to punish anybody for this. It's dangerous.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: You can't do this, you can't allow this. Then the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: only way to stop it from happening to Trump or
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: anybody else for that matter, is to expose it for
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: what it is. Some people call it a coup daytap.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I like to think of it as a counter coup.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I think the coup was Kennedy being elected in nineteen sixty.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: They never figured this. They figured they could control them.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Once he was in office, they found out they couldn't
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: control them. We got to get rid of this guy.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean that we got to get
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: rid of this guy. He's a danger to the security
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: of the country. And that's from their point. From their standpoint,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: that's what they did. I don't forget the CIA could
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: do anything they wanted. With Eisenhower, they had Cott Blanche,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: they were overthrowing governments, they were having people assassinated. La
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Mumba in the cargo, they had him assassinated. They were
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: involved in all of this bullshit. And they were even
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: involved with the oas attempt the Gall to kill the Gall.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: And when Kennedy spoke with Gall, he said, I have
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: no control over the CIA. I can't stop them. I
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: don't know what the hell they're doing. And so he
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: had this plan to cut the CIA out, no more,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: no more operational. The CIA is going to go back
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: to being just what it was supposed to be, gathering information,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: gathering intelligence and no more operational to the CIA. And
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: they guess who won. It wasn't him.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: They didn't like that very much. But I got a
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: question for you to get back to the to the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: rifle a little bit now. I know it in the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: add that Joe threw up earlier. Joe, if you could
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: throw that up real quick again, sure the carcandos, there's
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: an option there to buy ammo. At the very bottom,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: it's a six and a half milimeter Italian military AMMO
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: with a free six shot clip, one hundred and eight
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: rounds for seven point fifty yep.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Same thing on the top. Yep.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: We know, I guess from the order form that there
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: was no AMMO ordered with the rifle, right, And I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: know the FBI was looking to where Oswald would have
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: got his ammo because apparently he didn't have much ammouh.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: They never found any surplus amos as far as I know, right,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: you were.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: They found that the only two guns the gun shop
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: owners in the Dallas area sold ammo. But they were
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: what they were doing was they were taking the military
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: jackets off them and selling them with the soft round
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: what they call it soft round, which means that they
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: took the military the uh, the copper jacket off of it. No,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: they claimed that they never sold any ammunition to Oswald,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: and they never sold any military ammunition. They only sold
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: the soft rounds and.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: And they were like a box with like more more
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: bullets anywhere.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: No, they never found anything like that. And the thing
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: is that the clip came with the ammunition. And if
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: you want to see the photograph of Lieutenant Day leaving
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: the Texas school Book Depository. The clip is hanging out
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: at the bottom of the rifle, right, yeah, so yeah,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: so the clip came with the ammunition and by right.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: When he who there's six shot clip?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Six shot clip?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Right, So he had three shells on the sixth floor.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Were there three non shots in the clip or was there?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: No?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: There was, there was only one.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: There's one, okay, So he didn't even he didn't even
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: have a full six shot clip.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: No, he didn't have a full clip.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: No, he was so confident in the shooting abilities. Okay.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: And and they and they found and they found out
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: later on examining the shells that those shells had been
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: in another rifle. They had mockings from another rifle. So
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: whose other rifle wasn't it?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I thought something was up them shells, you know,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: being like throw down shells or something like that.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and something. I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: I was just going to throw this up there because
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: I like to throw this this little bit up there
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: every once in a while, just to remind everybody about
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: something that you old Fraser said to the to the HSCA. No,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that he'd been caught. But I will
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: tell you this, I knew that he hid the rifle,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: and Moriarty says M. Rachel said he did, and I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: said to myself, I said, oh my god, that was
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: the first thing right there on the steps. I also
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: knew that I didn't want to get pulled in, Moriarty
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: says M. Which is interesting to me, Gil because of course,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: this is something that Fraser's denied for years about.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: Yea, he says, Oswald took a package in, but it
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: was only two feet long, which we know, no matter
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: how much you break down like Karkano, it's not gonna
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: fit in that two foot package. But this is interesting
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: because he actually says, I knew he hid the rifle.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: And you know, we always speculated how this rifle got
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: into the school depository, or how if even Oswald even
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: had it to begin with, you know, And according to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: this quote, Fraser said that he had a rifle, and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: apparently I had knowledge that Oswold was going to hide
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: it somewhere and implying that he didn't fire it, right,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: he just brought it in and maybe told Fraser, look,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm just gonna take it in and hide
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: it somewhere, because I've always thought Fraser has always known
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: a little bit more about the story than what he said.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: That's just my personal belief. What do you think about that?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I don't know if that's
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: what he really said or if that's what they claimed
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: he said. It's a quote, right, it is it is
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: because what it says is that Fraser knew that he
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: had a rifle, and he knew that he hit it.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: The next question would be, well, how do you know
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: what was a rifle? Number one and number two? If
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: he hit it? Why didn't you tell somebody if you
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: hit it, knew.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: It wasn't a two foot package? Because I always said, look,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: you know, these are country boys from Texas, Gill. You
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: know what a rifle looks like in a rifle case.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: You know what a rifle looks like in a rifle bag.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: You know what a rifle looks like, you know, in
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: a leather case. You know what a rifle looks like
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: in a paper bag. They're that familiar. I mean, Fraser
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: owns rifles. They went deer Honting. Oswald grew up in Texas.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure he's no stranger to you know, rifles,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: and Fraser wasn't either. He had to know what was
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: in that package. And I'm damn sure it wasn't two
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: foot long. It's it's just it's interesting that, you know,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: if Oswald did take it, did take a rifle into
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: the school bok depository and hit up on the sixth floor,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: then of course after everything went down, then you know,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: of course he would have realized immediately ole ship. Uh
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: you know, time to time to figure or something out here,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But see the thing is, if he brought it
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: into the building, they would have they would have found
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: the package that he brought it in.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: M hm. Well they allegedly did, but.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: That package, that package was made by the police. That
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: package was that package never contained the rifle.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: Right right, But they said they found a bag repository.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: But see they said a lot of things too. So
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe what they're saying about Fraser isn't true. Maybe
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: maybe what maybe what Fraser didn't maybe Fraser didn't say that.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: But see you remember now, Gil, the rifles ordered under
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: the name A. J. Hadel correct allegedly yep Okay who
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: is allegedly a pro castro supporter who was allegedly in
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: the Fair Play for Cuba committee in New Orleans. Right,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: So maybe Oswald thinks, well, you know, I had this
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: rifle in here. It's gonna get blamed on a pro
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: Castro supporter and it can't he traced back to him.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's what he's thinking in his brain. Of course,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: you know, it could all It could also all be
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: a setup as well that he may be aware of.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: And you know, they tell him, look, you know it
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: can't be you know, come back on you. It's it
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: can be attributed to a procasher supporter. And maybe they
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: told him, you know, look, we're not going to kill
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: the guy, We're just going to fire a few bullets
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: at him and scare him into, ah, you know, possibly
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: doing something about Cuba. I don't know, I'm just I'm
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: just spitballing here.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: The problem, the problem with that idea is that aj
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Hidel could never have received that rifle at box two
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: nine one five in Dallas because his name was never
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: on the third pot. He was never authorized to receive
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: mail at that post office box. Aj Hidel, Now, the
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: FBI knew that. When they checked, they checked, they found
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: the third pot of the uh of the mail mailbox
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: application and he found out that he was not authorized
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: to receive mail. So by right by, by post office law,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: by the post office rules, that rifle should have been
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: returned to clients, right return, Yeah, somebody picked it up.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Well if it was there at all, right, it was
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: noman if it was there. But if this rifle was
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: was was was they got this rifle through Interramco without
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: going through a through a purchase, then we can make
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: the paperwork up later. Right, we can call my buddy
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: at Cleins and he can uh, he can make me
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: up some paperwork.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: Right, m Yeah, it's man, it's all interesting to think
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: about it, it is.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, rob if if Oswald was guilty,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: a whole bunch of stuff would have been true, a
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff. And I listed this uh on a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: post I made at the end at the education for
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: him a long time ago. But there was like forty
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: seven different things that would be true if Oswall was guilty.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: One of the things is that the rifle found on
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: the sixth floor would have been thirty six inches. That's
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: one of the things, Okay, that that if Oswald was guilty,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: that that would have been true. And there, and there
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: were a lot of things that would have been true
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: if Oswald was guilty that were not true. So now
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: there's a good that's a good point too, that that
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Fraser trade changed his story, and over the years it
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: changed multiple times. That's a so you question his credibility.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: But he was the guy that was with Oswald that morning,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: and he said, I've got a video of Fraser that
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: he says there was no gun in that package. That's
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: what he says, there was no gun.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: In that he said a lot of over the years.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, well, you know. The thing is too,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: he was nineteen years old at the time. He had
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: him scared shit, they had they had his three ZHO
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: three n field. Who knows what they were going to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: do with that. They could have made that part of
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: of the uh of the story.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Who knows they in the middle of that.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: I yeah, I mean, and then they take them back
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: to the This is after he's been questioned by the police.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: They turn around, they pick him up, the everything, police
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: pick him up and bring him back to Dallas. I mean,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: you're nineteen years old, the same thing, with the same
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: thing with the black guys. What are they going to say?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: They're gonna say whatever the police want him to say.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: You know, James Johnman says he hears three shots in
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: equally spaced. Everybody else says that they're not equally spaced.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: There's a bang and then a pause and then a
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: bang bang, and that's that's just too fast for one
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: guy to fire off that that kind of shot.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: So you of rest Fraser too, is being an accomplice.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: And then they gave him a high detective test and
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: he passed it and they let him go. Well, we
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: don't have that result.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: They had he according to Fraser. Now, he claims that
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Captain Fritz putting a confession in front of him and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: wanted him to sign it, and he refused to and
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Fraser and Fritz brought his hand back like he was
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: gonna pop them one. The kid said, you hit me,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: I'll nail you, and I'm gonna get a couple of
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: good licks in before your guys get in this office,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: so you better make sure you know what you're doing.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: He was gonna punch a bag of nineteen year old kid,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: I mean an old man like that, he would have
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: broke his nose. So, I mean, so uh, they were
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: they were doing everything they could to get these guys
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: to confess to something that they weren't even guilty of.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, lots of tricks, you know that. I mean,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: I think they're Their conviction rate was way out of proportion.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: You know, well, the conviction rate was ninety three. The
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Dallas defense lawyers used to call them, refer to themselves
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: as the seven percent club because they said deably one
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: seven percent of the cases.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sounds about right.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But that's the way they did it in the South.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: That's the way the justice system worked in the South.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: It didn't matter whether or not you were guilty. If
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: you were arrested, you were guilty, and then they'll fit that,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: they'll fit the evidence to that later. But if they
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: arrested you, you were guilty. And once they arrested him
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: in the Texas theater, he was done right, Yeah, Marina said.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: When she went to visit him, she could see it
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: in his eyes. He toldally, he said, Oh, everything's going
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: to work out, all right. She could tell he was scared.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: And even at the at the midnight press conference, if
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: you listen to what he says and they asked him,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: did you kill the president? And his voice breaks, he
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: says no. When first thing I heard about that is
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: when the reporters in the hall and his voice breaks
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: when the president the hall asked me that question.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could see the oh shit moment, right, and
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: when the reporter says you haven't charged, it's very obvious. Yeah,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Well tries to keep him his composure, but you could.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Tell technical technically the paperwork had been filled out on it,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: but he hadn't been told by the judge yet that
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: he was being charge. So that's why he said, no,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: I have not been charged with that. Nobody has said
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: that to me yet. Yes, he hadn't been arraigned yet.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: He wasn't arraigned for another hour, hour and a half
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: and he was arraigned by a Justice of the peace.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: That's short and sweet hearing, I believe, he said.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a short and sweet hearing where I objected that
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: I was not allowed legal representation. They denied him and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: lawyer they when the ACLU wanted to see him, they
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: dissuaded them from seeing him.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I also heard that he was being kind of
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: picky with his lawyers too, and didn't accept like the
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: first lawyer that came to him type of thing.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Well, he says that he presented from the A c. L.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: You did come and see him that Saturday, and you
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: know we have the whole No.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: They went to the police station on Friday. They went
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: to a police station on Saturday, and they were dissuaded
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: from seeing him. They said they were told that he
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: didn't want a lawyer. Yeah, first they told the first
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: they said he didn't want a lawyer. Then they sent
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: around and told him that he was offered one and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: refused it. Two different stories. So they were suspicious. But
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: you see, they had no balls, the ACLU and Dallas
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: had no balls, and they were afraid of the police,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: so they didn't want to push the issue. And what
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: they should have done is they should have said, look, Pal,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: I don't care if he doesn't want to I don't
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: care if he wants to see Santa Claus. I want
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: to see him now, period. That's it. But they didn't.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: They didn't have the they didn't have the guts to
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: do that, and every defense lawyer in Dallas didn't want
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: to represent him. He couldn't get when Nichols from the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Dallas Bar went to see him. He couldn't get anybody
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: from the criminal bar to go with him. There were
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: two different bar associations in Dallas. There was the Dallas
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Criminal Bar and there was the Dallas Bar Association. The
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Dallas Bar Association only handled civil cases and cases like that.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: No criminal, the guy that went and seeing him was
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: not a criminal lawyer. He couldn't get any criminal lawyer
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: to go with him. Nobody wanted to defend Oswald. They
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: all hated him. People weren't real here. They kill him.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, don't really blame a lawyer for, you know,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: not wanting to get involved in that mess either, you know.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: And and if you're a lawyer, you're a local lawyer, Joe,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: and you know how the DA works. You don't have
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: a chance in this case. You know, you're you're you're screwed.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: There's no way you're going to win it.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: The only thing the only thing you to do is
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: haven't plead guilty and throw hisself on the mercy of
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: the court and hope he doesn't get the death penalty.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like Ruby situation. And his lawyers are
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: a whole other rabbit hole.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Oh that's crazy. Yeah, the stories they came up with,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 8: Uh, we did an episode on some of the MK
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 8: ultra stuff and Jolly West and and uh also we've
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 8: explored some of the right wing and like Autioner and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 8: a lot of big people that also had like big
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: right wing.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Beliefs at that time. But a couple of a couple
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: of comments, I wanted to just starve really quickly and
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: get our thoughts on Kat Eddy Steve. I think an
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: office manager at TSBD had a thirty six and twenty
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: two rifle in the building on the twenty second No,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: I think he's talking about Craster. Is that Warren Craft?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cast, Yeah, he brought twenty on the twentieth.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: You're correct, two days the Wednesday, of course. So I
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: just wanted to do that. Scott asked, uh, Rob, where
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: did that phraser quote come from the HSCA question mark?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: And I think you said that, yes, cool. And one
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: more thing from Kat Teddy Steve. The quote paper DPD
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: made into a bag was handled by Lee because it's
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: his freaking job to use that paper roll at the
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: loading dock each day. So it's not necessarily it's not true.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Oswell OS will never shipped OS will never shipped the
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Troy Web special rap exactly that's right. Troy West was
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: the shipping guy. Oswald never went near the shipping room.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: He was he was. All he was doing was a filler, right.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: He was an order filler killer, Ye, filler. And I
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: think a jobman was the order chapel. He would check
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: their work after. Yeah.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: So so let me ask you this November twenty first,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: the day before the assassination. What in Dallas, what if
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: any guns do you think Oswald had? Did he have
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: a handgun? Did he maybe have a gun at Ruth Paints.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out the options. I want to get
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: your thoughts.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Well, you could, you could. There's all kinds of all
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: kinds of theories on that because one woman told the
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: FBI that she saw Jack Ruby in front of the
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Texas school Book Depository hand to Oswald a gun as
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: he was leaving. Now, I don't think it was Ruby.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: I think it was somebody looked like Ruby. There was
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: a guy there that that resembled Ruby, but it wasn't Ruby.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: But he handed the Oswald the handgun.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we know he was at the Dallas Morgan news
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: from many people.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Right, and there's witnesses that say he was there. So
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: it wasn't Oswald. I'm sorry it wasn't Ruby, but it was.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: It was somebody in a suit that could have passed
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: for him. He handed him a handgun. So did he
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: have a gun at all? I don't know, I don't
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: know who knows.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Do you think he went back to get his pistol
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: at Beckley?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: No, of course, of course it doesn't make sense. If
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: you're playing to assassite the president, why not take your
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: handgun with you to work that day?
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: Didn't order?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Why not? Why not? Why not just step off the
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: curb and and shoot him point blank with the handgun? Yeah,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: if you want to kill him, doesn't that make more sense?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, the three successful presidential assassinations prior were all
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: committed with handguns. All three assailants that shot the president
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: as he was standing or walking or standing still. He
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't moving at eleven miles an hour or whatever it
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: was he was going. He was going, But he could
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: have stepped off the curb and with a handgun and
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: bang right there. So what if the motorcycle cops hit
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: him or grab him or something? Who gures the presidential
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: assassins are never afraid of losing their life they expect to, right,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: you know, they expect to get killed when they were
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: willing to give their life to get the president. So,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, it does doesn't make sense. I know, I
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: don't think so. I think maybe maybe he wanted to
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: catch a bus. That's why he was an ARI, because
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: he was seen standing out by the bus stop after
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: the by the housekeeper. By the housekeeper, she saw him
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: out at the bus stop. Maybe he was trying to
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: he was an ARI to catch the bus.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Who knows he wasn't hurried to get the tenth and
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: patent If he's waiting at the bus stop, that's true.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the bus was going the opposite way,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: so I don't think he was. I don't think he
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: was there. I mean, come on, he had thirteen dollars
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: and eighty seven cents in his pocket when he was arrested,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: and you're telling me he's gonna he's gonna draw attention
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: to himself and beat the Texas Theater out of a
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: ninety cent ticket. Come on, he would have paid his
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: way in, made it look like he was a paying customer.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the whole story is just ridiculous.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: So when he when he supposedly ordered this pistol from
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: Seaport Traders. He did not order a holster for it, right.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Right, He crossed it out.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: He had written it in animal when they started the room, right.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, like we were talking about
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: if he had borrowed the weapons to just to do
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: the backout photograph, maybe he borrowed the holster too, and
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: he just didn't give it back.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Right, Right, So we're talking to out the holster, not
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: really matching up, not ordering it.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: We're talking about him in the backyard photos again, but
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: again if it is him, right.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the strap is not really the same, and of
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: course the barrel is different too, and there's just so
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: many anomalies when it comes to that. It's crazy.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a ton of these surplus rifles floating around
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: back then, you know, for as cheap as they were
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: you know, mail order. Yeah, I mean, I think, I.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Think Gil you went through the whole process of tracking
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: the shipment right that was allegedly tied to the carcano.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: It came to what was it, Italy to England, and
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: then there's this whole thing of whether made in Italy
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: was scratched off or on there I'm not exactly sure.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe you explain that.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Well, this is this is what they said and uh
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: that h uh interram Co didn't handle any guns that
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: were mapped made in Italy. Now, the the the shipping
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: papers coming from Italy to the United States did not
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: have the uh, the great numbers, the cotton numbers on
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: them and uh and they didn't have the serial numbers
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: of the rifle. So the first time the rifle appears
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: is on the record is when it I think it
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: gets to uh New York. I think that's when it
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: first appears and company, or I think when it gets
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: to cres in Arms is the first time that it's
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: that it's uh that they actually list the cotton number.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: And I think that that's uh.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: I think I'm bringing it up right here.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: It's bringing yeah, see your website all of this. Yeah,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: all of this is all of this is undated. This
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: information every time they show two seven six six, it's undated.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: C Two seven sixty six. It's undated. But I think
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: it's uh, I don't know if it's it's before that
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: I think on my on that page, but uh, this
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: is this is where they they check off all the
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: cottons down this shipment, but they don't check off three
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: three seven six. Now three three seven six was the
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: cotton number of the cotton that contained the rifles C
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: two seven sixty six. They don't check that off. I
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: don't know if it was added after the fact or uh.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Right, So what you're referring to right here is all
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: the numbers have a check mark above.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Them, right, All of them have been verified.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Except for the one highlighted in blue.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Three three three three seven six, And that's the that's
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: the one that was uh, that contained the C two
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: seven sixty six rifle. So why isn't that one checked off?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: They were supposed to be. Uh, there was supposed to
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: be ten ten cottons and that one's not checked off.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: Now they may have been, they may have forgotten to
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: do it or yeah, or they may have added it
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: on later. And I don't know, but I think if
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: you go up a little bit further, I M going
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: to find them for each It was something like the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: three dollars a piece or something.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: It's sitting on that Joe, go back down real quick. Sorry,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: you just had to blow it up there.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Fifty one hundred cases, right, the price part.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so eight fifteen each and the I'm just
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: gonna bring I'm just going to look back at the order.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: Thing twelve for twelve bucks, twelve eighty eight.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: And nineteen ninety five, two different ones. Right, So they're
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: making a decent profit there, which is fine. They're buying
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: in bulk, you know whatever, one hundred cases. So and
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: the date on this we think is seven February seven
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: sixty three birthday. Whoa yeah, whoa whoah. And I think
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: this here is uh yeah.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Those are all the rifles that Rupp took out to
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: get ready to be set to clients. Wow.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: Wow, didn't Cressen Firearms like rework all these shitty rifles
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: and make sure they all show this is the.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Guy that did it. This guy up, he's the one
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: who did it for him. Fred Ruppy.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Frevruck was a federally federally licensed gun dealer who
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: had a contract with cress and Firearms to pick up
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: rifles at the Harbor Side warehouse and inspect, clean, touch fire, repack,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: and ship them to Crescents retail customers. Client's purchase order
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: of January fifteenth, nineteen sixty two requested that four hundred
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: model ninety one TS rifles in quotations thirty six in
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: troops specials be delivered and it's just so great.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: It's I don't have money you made off per rifle,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: like reworking it.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, and they're reworking AMMO too. I
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: mean not them particularly, but you know everyone's making money
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: on this.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Just the level of detail you have gone in into,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: like the chain of custody of these of this shipment
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: of rifles. And I also want to bring something else
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: up here, let's see, and it has something to do
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: with the markings on the barrel. Actually, you know what,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this, what do you think of
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: of course the famous question what was actually found on
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: the sixth floor, because we know there were many allegations
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: of a seven point sixty five Mauser. Of course, Roger
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Craig on the right side here, I think this is
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: from your site or that forum. Is the November twenty second,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: fifty three statement of Deputy Boone who also says it
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: was a seven point sixty five Mauser with a telescopic sight.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: And yeah, this is some of the pictures of the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Mauser and where the seven six' five would have been
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: stamped right? Now would the scope cover the seven six'?
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Five marker i've. HEARD that i don't know that maybe
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: because it had a scope, on it it would have
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: been hard to tell that it was a seven point
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: sixty five miles or if the scope was covering it something.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: I'VE heard i. DON'T know i, Don't KNOW and i
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: think this IS from i think it's from, your Site
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: the allen fifty, three photo and it's a side by
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: side With The warren commission nineteen sixty four PHOTO and
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: i guess narraw in twenty, twenty three and there seems
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: to be no white markings on the. Initial one in
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty, four version there seems to be this
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: white its iss cow caliber, you know seven point. SIXTY
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: five i believe the One in nara there is no white.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Right now that could be a difference in, the light
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: the white ink could have. CAME off i. Don't know
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: this WAS something i came across in one of the
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: ed forum THREADS and i wanted to get your thoughts.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: On it of sound and what do you think was
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: found in the in the? Sixth floor was It? A
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: mauser was It?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: The?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: CARCANO well i mean you can.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: Make it you can make a case for. The, mauser,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: okay Yeah Because simoul weisman found a seven point sixty
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: five shell Outside the Texas School book depository and uh
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: put it in an envelope and. It disappeared it's one
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  Speaker 2: of those pieces of evidence. That disappeared all it says
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  Speaker 2: on the envelope is seven point sixty, five shell but
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: the shell. Itself disappeared now that might have been what
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: drove him to to make the error that identifying the
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: rifle as a seven point Sixty. Five Mauser but boone
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: also said it was a seven point Sixty. Five Mauser
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  Speaker 2: roger craig also said it was a seven point Sixty.
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  Speaker 2: Five mausa they Claimed that fritz was the one who
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: said it was a seven point Sixty five mausa and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: he read it right on there and even points the
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  Speaker 2: claimed it. If right weizman when he, identified it he
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  Speaker 2: pointed right to it, and, say yeh see seven point Sixty.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Five mausa so was more than one rifle found In
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: the Texas School. Book depository that's. The question some people
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: think that that they just made, a mistake that the
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: seven point Sixty five Mauser was they mistook the six
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: point five for the seven point Sixty. Five mauser but it's.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: CLEARLY mocked, i mean here you have law. Enforcement officers
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: they can't tell one caliber. From another they can't tell
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: one different one rifle. From another they claimed that the
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: shells founded the scene Of the tipper murder case with
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: thirty thirty, eight automatics and in fact they were thirty.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Eight specials they claimed that the guy that fled the
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: scene was had a thirty, automatic pistol but it ends
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: up he has. A revolver, these cops they can't get.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: ANYTHING right i don't. Understand it IT'S just i think
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: that you can make a case for seven point sixty.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: Five miles and now the interesting thing about this is
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: we were talking earlier about the guy who brought the
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: two rifles In, on Wednesday. Larren cast one of his
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: rifles was a thirty, odd six and one of the
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: one of the rifles back then that they were converting
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: to thirty odd six Was the argentine seven point Sixty.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: Five mauser this, is interesting and it's a very very.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Accurate rifle it's not like The manlic a. Co cando
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: this is This thing i've seen a guy. FIRE one
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: i think it was an eighteen ninety one seven point
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: Sixty Five. Argentine mauser you're watch him. On YouTube this.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Guy hits they got like bells set up like two
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: hundred three hundred yards.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: And this guy.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Hit right, oh man he hits the bell and he.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: Had pain guy is it and you hear bang when
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: it hits.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: The.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: Bell bang he's. Not Missing and i'm, saying myself this thing,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: is unbelievable the performance of. This thing and there's another
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: document where the one of the, DETECTIVE sergeants i think
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: the one that claimed it was a thirty eight automatic
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: show if you get the, sergeant's, name, now yeah it
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: was at the tip. AND murders I can't i can't remember,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: his name but he, Claims no westbrook was. A captain
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: he claims that the rifle found in the building Was an.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: Argentine Rifle so i'm saying, to myself now, you're saying
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: you're putting all of, this together and maybe this Is
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: an argentine seven point sixty five miles that might have
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: been found in the building. As well but if, it
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: were if, it were then it was a pretty. ACCURATE rifle.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: I seen we had bart in. The comments. Bart can't, Oh,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: hey bart let me let me find his. Comment, here
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: yeah the chat is popping.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Off today.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: He says the bottom line is they cannot tie the riffle.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: To him on a Twenty second they needed the hot del,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: client's order which DAY the feds did not find until the.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: Next, morning yep and they had trouble. Finding. IT uh
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: i think It. Was crescent Was it crescent that they got? The,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: RIFLE yeah i think It was klein's got It From. Crescent.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: Firearms yeah they couldn't find the record until later on
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: that Day. AT crescent.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: I.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: THINK that i think they found the Record it clines
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: before they found the Record. AT crescent i think that's
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: the way. It worked i'm, not SURE but i think
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: somebody somebody told.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: Me that.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: Paula Said walter cronkite said it Was a mauser for.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: Three, days yeah they were reporting it As a mauser
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: seven point sixty, five mauser all the news were. Reporting
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: it then all of a sudden it Became A, manlica
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: Canno As walter, Karp Said malica cancanto From The italian
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: italian Village. Of concanto that's what.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: He said, you know a good way to get another
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: rifle out of the school book depository is under that
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: big ass bag that they carried out. Of there if
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: something's in that bag holding it upright, like that you
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: know what it.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: COULD be i thought it might be is the. Window
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: sill they took the piece of the window, sill Off the.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: Dallas cops they removed a piece of the window sill
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: from the sixth, floor Window and i'm thinking maybe that's
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: what they used to hold that, bag up because when you're,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: walking out that bag is like on. Its end you
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: can't carry a bag, Like that.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous something's definitely holding.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: It, up yeah because when they when THEY the fbi got,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: the bag there were pieces of wood inside that they,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: couldn't Identify and i'm thinking maybe it was part of
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: that window sill That the dallas cops. Took off they
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: had taken it off to get the fingerprints and stuff.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: On it and the guy bringing that bag OUT if
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: i FORGET where i, saw it but they zoomed in
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: on the guy's back pocket and it looks like there's,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: a scope a rifle scoope in which. Is crazy so?
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: Who knows who knows what? These people, you know they
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: falsified all the evidence, and stuff and they screwed around.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: With things you got other evidence where there's no there's
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: no chain. Of custody the chain of custody begins at
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: the point of discovery and his look AT c e three,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: ninety nine it doesn't begin until it gets TO the
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: fbi Lab. In washington nobody can identify until it gets
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: TO the fabi Lab. In washington, COME on, i mean
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: the whole thing was a. Big, joke yeah they pulled,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: it up they pulled, it off They, did yeah which
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: only proves that if you control, the evidence you can
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: get away with.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: Murder exactly you got, that. Right man it's always a
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: pleasure to have you on. The show thank you so
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: much for hanging out with. Us, Tonight hey i'm glad to.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Do it, and uh, you know anytime anytime you somebody
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: somebody backs out at the last minute or something and
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: you need somebody in a in an emergency, or something
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: feel free to.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: Call, me hey WE'LL do, I mean i heard you available.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Next, Week gil i'm just. GONNA no, I know i've
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: been looking at the chat the whole night and everyone
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: has definitely appreciated you being on they call You the encyclopedia,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: And uh I'm glad bart checked in and uh you
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: know all our homies, and yeah we hope to have.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 7: You on soon.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: For sure thanks, a, lot guys great. Great trill all.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: Right before, You, go yeah we have a we we
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: do a couple of things at. The outset first, Of,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: ALL gil i don't know if you. KNOW this i
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: have a newish dog of about. Six, months oh. No
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: kidding and do you KNOW what i? Named, her NO
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: it's jfk related and that person. LOVED dogs.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: I LOVE dogs. Jfk related Sheba?
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: Thinks Sheba Oh Jack Ruby's ruby AND and.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: I was thinking of A she that's why when you
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: when you said IT was, Jfk related i'm thinking of
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: a she somebody who's the woman that? Loves? Dog Yeah,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: jack ruby you mean His? Wife, sheba, yeah.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Exactly yeah he left her in.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: The car can you? BELIEVE that i can't. Believe it
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: he left her in. The car you must have thought
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: he was going to. Come back.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: Must have THAT or I know i'm. GOING away i.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Want to spend my last few minutes with. My dog
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: that's the only OTHER thing i could. Think of it doesn't.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: Make sense but that's The ONLY.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: If I knew i wasn't, COMING back i wouldn't taken
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: my dog. WITH me i would have left.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: Her, home yeah the dog or.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: The money unless he did, the money money in. The,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: trunk yeah unless he, knew that, you know she would be.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Cared for he would tell, the, cops say get, my
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: dog there's some money. IN there i, don't know, it's
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: all it's all nothing makes Sense.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: To yeah sometimes sometimes we'll talk About The jack ruby
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: and the Killing of oswald And how oswald was set
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: up for the kill and how they how they, did
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: it because people, will, say well, You Know, jack ruby
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: he was over In The western, union office and there's
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: no possible way he could know when they were bringing.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Him down but if the cops had had the direction
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: to not bring him Down until ruby was, in position
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: that's a. Different STORY and i think that's. What happened
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: they Waited Until jack ruby was. In position they kept
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: stalling and stalling and stalling to bring. Him down they
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: should have moved him the. Night before but we'll. Get
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: it we'll get into that sometimes next time, we talk
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: we'll get.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: INTO that I Think harriet holmes was interrogating him yeah
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: at that point right a.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Post office yeah, All, right rob thanks you a. Life guys,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: all right get the, Damned.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: Dog joe we go To the we go To, The, Ruby, Kim,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: yeah ruby, come on, come on, come on it's time.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: To dance you Have ten andrews dances out, of here, All, right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah a little.
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  Speaker 4: again gil for, joining, us buddy.
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