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Patriots Unfiltered 8/17: Day 2 Joint Practice with Panthers Live Show, Biggest Takeaways from Training Camp · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Live from
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  Speaker 1: joint practices with the Carolina Panthers, this is Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Welcome into Patriots Live. I'm training team. We
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  Speaker 1: are here to day. What is this called? Day? Twelve thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: fourteen fourteen. Keep following through them here to keep up.
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  Speaker 1: It is the last day of open practice for us
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  Speaker 1: here as the media, as the fans as well, of course,
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  Speaker 1: presented by optim today. We're excited to bring you the
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  Speaker 1: last day. I mean, guys, it's nice day out. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's overcast, kind of cool. Definitely a departure from
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  Speaker 1: what we've seen. This is an example of just no
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  Speaker 1: matter what happens, it's it's everything that's great. And Mike,
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  Speaker 1: it's like sixty two degrees overcast. It looks like it
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  Speaker 1: could start pouring any minute. Nice day here in Foxborrow. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the kids, I'm thinking about the players. They got to
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  Speaker 1: put on the pads. It's you know, you're not getting
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  Speaker 1: the sun. I just think that's that's where I'm coming from.
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  Speaker 1: That's my perspective. Of course, for us, we're we're sheltered
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  Speaker 1: up here. We have all the days. All the days
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  Speaker 1: are the same for us, All the days are the same.
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  Speaker 1: They're starting to come together, of course, and join Paul Pirillo,
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  Speaker 1: Evan Lazar will have Tamara Brown coming in Alexander Francisco
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  Speaker 1: as well. So we're excited to bring you everything that's
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  Speaker 1: going to happen. Yesterday was an eventful day. We saw
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  Speaker 1: plenty of good football action, a little bit extracurricular action
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  Speaker 1: that maybe we didn't want to see as much of,
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  Speaker 1: but hopefully they got that stuff in line. But first, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to start with a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: news from last night. As we're you know, waiting here,
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  Speaker 1: no one's really coming out as you guys are seeing.
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  Speaker 1: The fields are just getting ready. A couple moves last
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  Speaker 1: night by the Patriots to get down to eighty five
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  Speaker 1: roster spots. Jewan Williams and Malcolm Butler both ending up
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  Speaker 1: on IR, which at this point in preseason, if you
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  Speaker 1: end up on IR, that is it. You are Donzo.
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  Speaker 1: So unfortunately that is it. From Malcolm Butler's come back
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  Speaker 1: attempt after taking a year off, Juwan Williams was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: certainly in a battle for a roster spot, and Evan,
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  Speaker 1: you wrote a little something last night. How do you
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  Speaker 1: think this is going to play out? What's the impact
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  Speaker 1: that you're looking four down on the field today at
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  Speaker 1: the cornerback position. I wasn't entirely sure that Malcolm Butler
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  Speaker 1: was going to make the fifty three man roster, to
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  Speaker 1: be honest with you, but I think that between him
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  Speaker 1: and Terrence Mitchell, one of those guys was probably gonna
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  Speaker 1: get a spot and then maybe contribute this year for
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots in the secondary. So now that kind of
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  Speaker 1: shooes Terrence Mitchell in right, He's sort of the veteran
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  Speaker 1: guy along with Jalen Mills in that secondary and Jonathan Jones.
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  Speaker 1: I think what we've seen over the last couple of
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  Speaker 1: days though, and really since the beginning of last week,
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  Speaker 1: was Jonathan Jones on the outside with Jalen Mills and
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  Speaker 1: Miles Brian and Marcus Jones the rookie from Houston rotating
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  Speaker 1: in the slot. And I think that that's what we're
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  Speaker 1: going to continue to see out here today and moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure if Malcolm Butler would have made
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  Speaker 1: the team. I think there were moments where it looked
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  Speaker 1: like he was starting to get back to form to
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  Speaker 1: what he was in twenty twenty. But I still think
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  Speaker 1: that this isn't a major blow to the Patriots in
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  Speaker 1: terms of a core contributor for them this season, more
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  Speaker 1: of a guy that was depth piece. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: it chips away at the depth a little bit. I
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  Speaker 1: agree one thousand percent with evans summation of the entire situation.
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  Speaker 1: I think both of those guys, John Williams and Malcolm
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  Speaker 1: Butler were probably on the bubble. It looked like Terrence
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell had a leg up on you know, those two
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  Speaker 1: in terms of being able to stick around. And I
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  Speaker 1: think it. You know, you have a couple of young guys.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned Marcus Jones in the slot. Jack Jones isn't
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  Speaker 1: going anywhere obviously as a as a rookie, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think that they like some of those
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  Speaker 1: the promise that some of those young guys. I think
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  Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of Miles Bryant in this camp.
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  Speaker 1: I think they like what he does. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: and Evan mentioned them working Jonathan Jones on the outside.
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  Speaker 1: So that's something that will continue to monitor today in
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  Speaker 1: day two of the work with the Panthers. But he
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  Speaker 1: was a boundary corner all day yesterday. That's been about
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  Speaker 1: a week now that we've seen that, So I think
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  Speaker 1: that's more than just sort of an experiment at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I think that they're sort of figuring out what their
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  Speaker 1: depth is back there, and they had a couple of veterans.
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  Speaker 1: I think it does potentially chip away your but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's, you know, one of those ovally pressing
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  Speaker 1: losses that you're gonna say, wow, you know, they really
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  Speaker 1: could use John Williams and Malcolm Butler say in week nine, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do feel bad for Malcolm, I mean, taking a
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  Speaker 1: year off and as Evan said, I mean it was
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  Speaker 1: a little tough to read on how he was coming back.
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  Speaker 1: But but maybe a guy like Sean Wade gets a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more opportunity. Certainly in the games, those guys
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  Speaker 1: are gonna be playing a little bit more. With Devin Hafford,
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  Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent that the team had originally signed
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  Speaker 1: and had released and now I've brought back, so they're
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  Speaker 1: rounding out their depth a little bit. So we're here waiting,
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  Speaker 1: uh for everybody start rolling out. It seems like we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get another little bit of a rolling start, but
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  Speaker 1: we'd love to hear from you guys, send us an email,
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  Speaker 1: web radio at Patriots dot com. An opportunity though, for
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  Speaker 1: Sean Wade right about that, And you know, he showed
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  Speaker 1: up a little bit yesterday was around the ball a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, made a couple of plays, one with the
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  Speaker 1: mits on, and then all of a sudden, the mits
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  Speaker 1: came off, which I thought was weird, like in the
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  Speaker 1: like had to break free, like bake a play, you'll
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  Speaker 1: get out of the mit. He was like, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was like Andy Dufrain and Shawshank. You know, I have
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  Speaker 1: these mits off. I can pick off a pass now.
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  Speaker 1: So it was it is an opportunity for him, and
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  Speaker 1: I would put him in that same category of a
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  Speaker 1: bubble player, and now you lose a couple of veterans.
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  Speaker 1: I think his chances are greatly enhanced to stick around. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would love to see him, you know, make some plays,
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  Speaker 1: take advantage this opportunity. You feel like over today Thursday
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  Speaker 1: Nights game, he's he's really got an opportunity to step
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  Speaker 1: up and maybe, you know, continue to build on what
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  Speaker 1: he So I feel like I haven't gotten a great
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  Speaker 1: sense on him yet I know, you know, some people
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  Speaker 1: are have been focusing on him a little bit more,
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  Speaker 1: but uh, certainly with the loss of depth, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of of opportunity for him, and uh and one
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  Speaker 1: other move, you know, backup punter Jake Julian was also released.
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  Speaker 1: So that that gets the Patriots down to eighty five.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna have to get down to eighty next week.
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  Speaker 1: So the cuts are happening fast and furious here as
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  Speaker 1: they aim to get down to it to fifty three.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit of a recap from yesterday though, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, general takeaways, it felt like everybody defense dominant,
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  Speaker 1: as as Dietrich wise I believe said felt they were
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  Speaker 1: dominant offense. You know, maybe some some strides in the
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  Speaker 1: passing game. Second in a row, it felt like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just looked comfortable, maybe in rhythm. It's it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: hard to say, oh this is you know, when explosive.
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  Speaker 1: Oh they're throwing it all over the field, but it
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  Speaker 1: just felt evan like they were able to get some
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  Speaker 1: of their core concepts in and they look comfortable doing it.
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  Speaker 1: And that is something that's a big change for maybe
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  Speaker 1: the first week when we saw them. I'm just kind
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  Speaker 1: of struggling to string place together and really find any consistency.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's an indication of where they started that we're
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  Speaker 1: now up a here with them right where we say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one day, where they looked like the passing
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  Speaker 1: game down the field is a little bit more in rhythm.
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  Speaker 1: Is this great thing. I'm not going to sell it
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  Speaker 1: like it was the two two thousand and seven Patriots
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  Speaker 1: out here yesterday, But what we did see, I thought
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  Speaker 1: early on in practice in particular, was the play action
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  Speaker 1: passing game starting to take hold. And I think when
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  Speaker 1: you get into some of these training camp practices against
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  Speaker 1: your own defense and your own team, and you're repping
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  Speaker 1: week after week, practice after practice the same things against
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  Speaker 1: your own defense, defensive players are smart. They start to
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  Speaker 1: pick up on what you're doing. They start to read
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  Speaker 1: the keys a little bit faster, and some of those
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  Speaker 1: misdirection or play action fakes and things like that don't
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  Speaker 1: sell as hard. When they got in here with Carolina yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: very first eleven on eleven period, they were in three
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  Speaker 1: straight play action concepts and there was open guys off
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  Speaker 1: of all three of those plays. So the Panthers weren't
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  Speaker 1: as prepared obviously for what they were throwing at them
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  Speaker 1: as what their own defense had been over the last
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  Speaker 1: couple weeks. So I was just generally excited. I guess
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  Speaker 1: they're happy that that was the case. You know that
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  Speaker 1: they had some instances where there were open targets, not
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  Speaker 1: just like you know, DeVante Parker catching a contested catch
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  Speaker 1: down the sideline, but legitimately open receivers down the field.
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  Speaker 1: And we haven't seen a ton of that, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: say in camp with the starting offense so far. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was like it was. I was with Teutrich twice.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he said he felt felt like they dominated
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  Speaker 1: from start to finish. I agree. I thought the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: defense really dictated everything that happened on the field to
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  Speaker 1: our right yesterday, I thought they were in control. I
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  Speaker 1: think Evan made the comment when he came on with
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  Speaker 1: us about how the offensive line in particular really owned
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  Speaker 1: the Panthers offensive line, and you know some of that
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  Speaker 1: involved you know, some you know, highly touted rookies. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Uh said the quantum was top ten pick. And I
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  Speaker 1: thought Dietrich wise really destroyed him at times. I thought
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  Speaker 1: he had two or three times where he just had
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  Speaker 1: really like immediate pressure to blow up a potential play. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, obviously we don't keep track of the stats
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot, but it seemed like half of the pass
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  Speaker 1: players the Panthers were attempting yesterday either would have been
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  Speaker 1: affected or stopped completely by the pass rush. And you
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  Speaker 1: know that, you know, it's it's live up front. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you might say, well, they're not tackling, they're not doing
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  Speaker 1: this hard to evaluate the running game things like that,
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  Speaker 1: but if you're getting in on pass on a pass
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  Speaker 1: rush and you're not tackling the quarterback, you're still there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we saw that throughout the day yesterday. That was
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  Speaker 1: a good side for the Patriots defense. I thought, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the only the only takeaway I had, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: slightly negative was you know, yesterday I wanted to see
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  Speaker 1: some some strides from the running game, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: aside from maybe one run, it just didn't seem like
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  Speaker 1: they were really opening up holes. We saw a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of the wide zone that we saw earlier in camp.
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  Speaker 1: But that's one thing I think that they still might
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  Speaker 1: have a little bit of a ways to go. Would
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  Speaker 1: love to see it today, just you know, some consistency
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  Speaker 1: in the running game. What do you think of the
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  Speaker 1: running game yesterday? Have It's tough to evaluate the running
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  Speaker 1: game to me in practice sometimes. And I actually asked
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  Speaker 1: Damon Harris about this after practice, and I said, there's
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  Speaker 1: no tackling to the ground there. Some of these blocks.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to truly finish it right. They're not
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  Speaker 1: going to put anybody into the ground in practice or
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  Speaker 1: anything like that. So us from our vantage point kind
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  Speaker 1: of understanding, is there actually holes here? What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Is there creases? Is there space for the running backs?
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  Speaker 1: Can be a little bit tricky, And he said it
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  Speaker 1: was a work in progress, so I think he feels
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  Speaker 1: like maybe it's not always the cleanest picture for him either.
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  Speaker 1: So I would agree with you that there haven't been
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  Speaker 1: a ton of huge holes. I think the biggest hole
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  Speaker 1: that they opened up they actually called it back for
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  Speaker 1: holding early on in practice yesterday. So you'd like to
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  Speaker 1: see that, you'd like to see a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: space for the running game in general, But maybe some
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  Speaker 1: of that I think it could be that, well, Damien Harris,
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  Speaker 1: you know, burst through the line, breaks the tackle all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, gain out here that looks
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  Speaker 1: like it's three yards might turn into eight yards really quickly. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: one guy that you know continues to stand out for me.
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  Speaker 1: I wrote a little bit about him yesterday It's just
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  Speaker 1: Time Montgomery, um, which which was funny, Evan because you
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  Speaker 1: you know, I wrote about him and then you retweeted it,
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, all the fantasy guys
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  Speaker 1: came came calling, Like the fantasy guys they saw this
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  Speaker 1: Time Montgomery thing, and you know, it's a smattering of
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  Speaker 1: insults and you know, all that kind of stuff. But
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's looked good out here. You can't
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  Speaker 1: be a good player if you don't have high fantasy, right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I tapped a whole new section to Twitter yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I was not expecting to with my Time Montgomery piece.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, you know, depending on how you feel about
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  Speaker 1: fantasy and you know PPR and all that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I just I just think he's going to be involved.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like it's Damian Harris, Romander Stevenson and him,
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  Speaker 1: And at this point would at least appear that Pierre Strong,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Harris to some extent JJ Taylor a kind of
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  Speaker 1: in that second group. I would agree, you know that
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really expecting much out of those rookies yet.
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  Speaker 1: I think they'll get plenty of time on these next
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  Speaker 1: two games, but I think time Montgomery's gonna I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say he's going to be James White, because
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  Speaker 1: there's no replacing James White. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's got a lot of different things that
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  Speaker 1: he can do and a lot of things that they
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  Speaker 1: can play with. Bill Belichick talked a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: that yesterday. I just think his ability to run routes
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  Speaker 1: like a wide receiver, because he has a backgrounds as
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  Speaker 1: a receiver, I think that offers a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a different dimension and I think a little less and
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  Speaker 1: we talked about this on the show a lot, a
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  Speaker 1: little less predictability when he's in the game, because I
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  Speaker 1: do think he as much as I love James White,
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  Speaker 1: I think for the most part, it was going to be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a pass, play, a screen, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: an occasional draw for him, But you weren't going to
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  Speaker 1: line up traditionally and run the ball consistently with James White.
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  Speaker 1: I think you can do that a little bit with
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  Speaker 1: with Montgomery. I think he's more effective as a receiver
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  Speaker 1: than than a flat out runner. But I do think
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  Speaker 1: that there's some more versatility there to what they can
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  Speaker 1: do play calling from a play calling perspective with Montgomery,
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  Speaker 1: and there's no doubt he's going to be a part
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  Speaker 1: of this offense. We've seen every day virtually he's been
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  Speaker 1: heavily involved. Yeah, and having some experience to some other systems,
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  Speaker 1: I think it gives him just a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a comfort running those wide zones, picking you know, picking
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  Speaker 1: the whole knowing where to go. I think some of
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  Speaker 1: his best runs this summer have just been him getting
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  Speaker 1: the edge and you know, turning it up and showing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I'm not familiar with his full body of
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  Speaker 1: work as an NFL veteran, but as far as what
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  Speaker 1: it's been in camp, I think he's been He's been
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  Speaker 1: pretty effective, and especially a position that they need a
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  Speaker 1: guy that can catch the ball out of the backfield
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  Speaker 1: is Uh. We're seeing some of the Panthers starting to
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  Speaker 1: make their way in Jeremiah Farms Paul two days in
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  Speaker 1: a row, the number one guy on the field. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think about I'm not
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  Speaker 1: allowed to talk about that. We're having some fun here
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  Speaker 1: the final day at camp, maybe we're getting a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit delirious perhaps as as we get going,
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  Speaker 1: but we are back in things to get going pretty quick.
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  Speaker 1: This morning. There is no Bill Belichick press conference. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: they're supposed to just roll right into things. And guys,
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned James White briefly there. You had a chance
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  Speaker 1: to be at there. I didn't have a chance. I
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  Speaker 1: had a chance to be at James White's retirement ceremony
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  Speaker 1: last night. I was here at Gilette Stadium. Robert Craft spoke,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick spoke, James got up and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was an emotional moment, and you know, I think
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  Speaker 1: he thought maybe he'd be able to squeeze a couple
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  Speaker 1: more years out, but he just said, you know, my
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  Speaker 1: hip about a couple of weeks before camp, he realized,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of plateaued. I'm not really feeling better.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of stuck where it's at, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: could I play maybe, but I don't want to put
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  Speaker 1: the team in that position. So, you know, James White,
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  Speaker 1: I think went out the way he kind of lived
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  Speaker 1: it was, you know, with total class, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you could just see everybody, all the teammates and coaches
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  Speaker 1: coming into the into the lounge upstairs showing their support
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  Speaker 1: for James White. I just felt bad for his wife
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  Speaker 1: because his daughter was like running around screaming the whole time,
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  Speaker 1: and his poor wife was just chasing him all around
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  Speaker 1: the back of the thing. And he's, you know, going
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  Speaker 1: to this speech thank and his wife are all the support,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, meanwhile she's in the back, you know,
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  Speaker 1: trying to calm a kid. But but it was a
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  Speaker 1: real nice night. And of course, Paul, I know you
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  Speaker 1: you think as highly at James White as as anybody. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's he's one of my favorites. I would say he's
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  Speaker 1: in a top ten of the guys that I've come
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  Speaker 1: across in the twenty four years that I've been doing
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. He's just always, always accessible, always cordial, never combative.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that because, like, well, he makes
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: our job easier, because I understand it's not about us,
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: and it's not about us, you know, our jobs being
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: made easier, but just professional from the moment he got here,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: a quiet leader. I think as respected in the locker
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: room as any of those guys. And you listen to
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: the veterans like mccordy and Slater over the years talk
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: about him and the way they talked about him, and
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: I just think if if you needed any evidence theory
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: action in that game after the tragedy involving his parents
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: and that Sunday night game against Seattle when he couldn't play, um,
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I think mccordy had to pick six and
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: you know, had had a message for him in the camera.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: That was the kind of respect that James White, uh,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: you know, earned, you know, with among his peers. Not
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: a vocal, boastful kind of guy, but but just a
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: quiet leader in one of the more respected, reliable, just
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: reliable players this team has had. Always laughing too, always
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: having a good time. Even though he wasn't a big talker,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: whenever he was with us at the podium, he was
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: always a really nice and cordial guy. And I thought
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: it was interesting just from a football perspective, Bill Belichick
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: talking about his combine and how he really didn't test
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: very well, didn't didn't have some ridiculous three cone time
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, but they had seen on tape
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: that he had that kind of quickness and he had
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: those types of skills. And I'm not it's obviously testing
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: into the scouting department that they were able to find
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: a guy like James White, but it also does go
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: to show that the testing numbers aren't necessarily everything. When
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: he turned on the tape with a guy and see
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: that he's got a good football savvy and he's got
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: that ability to get in out of cuts and an
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: out of breaks. So those are the types of things
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: that stand out when you watch the tape versus just
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: watching the combine and looking at three cone times and
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: things like that. And I also thought Belichick before practice
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: yesterday gave a little tutorial on blitz pick up and
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: pass protection rules and things like that for running backs,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: and you really start to get into how intricate it
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: can really be. Sort of the way that they fit
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: into the pattern and the way they fit into things
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: can be a pretty detailed from the backfield. And I
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: think a guy like Time Montgomery has such a leg
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: up just because of being a veteran him playing in
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: New Orleans, which does have some crossover Sean Payton's playbook
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: to what they do with the Patriots with their running
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: backs and Green Bay, and his biggest season in the
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: NFL was as that pass catching a wide receiver, slash
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: running back, do it all type of player. I agree
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: with Paul that his versatility to flex out and line
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: up as a wide receiver and out of the backfield
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: brings a different element. We obviously saw James do that
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: a ton, but it wasn't as wide receiver like when
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: he would run routes on the outside, where I think
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Montgomery can run a wide receiver route. Tree might not
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: be as quick at the top of the route as
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: James White was, but he's got a little bit more
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: of a natural wide receiver look to him, which I
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: think can offer up some really intriguing matchup problems. And
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: we've seen the Patriots in the past. They'll send wide receivers,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: running backs out wide, they'll send tight ends out wide,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: fullbacks out wide, and it dictates the way that the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: coverage can play them. Either a linebacker has to go
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: out there, or safety has to go out there, or
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: they leave the corner out there on him, and that
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: tells you zone coverage, right. There's different ways you can
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: manipulate the coverage by moving guys like that around. So
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I do think time Montgomery gives them that angle, But
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: no one's James White at the top of the route.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: He was definitely somebody that just devastating for linebackers underneath
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the defense trying to cover him on those option routes
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: out of the backfield. Yeah, you know, think interesting to
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: me was talking about how tough twenty four team was
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: for him as as that red shirt year, and I
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: know people bring that up a lot as, oh, that's
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: just what the Patriots do. You mentioned pass protection as
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: something that rookies need to learn, but I think James
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: gotta shed some light on you know, it's it's not
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: easy to go from, you know, as he said, being
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a key player in college too. You know, you're on
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl team, you feel like a bit player.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Shane Vereen was there, caught a number of passes in
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, you know, and then and then really
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you look at that second year with White and he
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: was extensively targeted in that playoff game in Denver, and
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I know it was, you know, frustrating game for a
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: lot of people, but all all seemed to kind of
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: turn around then that next season, and of course culminated
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: with his performance in the Super Bowl. So speaking of
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of Super Bowls, there's there's Jay let Mills, someone we
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: saw on the other side of the field on a
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl in twenty seventeen. But he's having an awesome camp.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's kind of a universal thing.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: You're hearing guys talk about him wanting to take the
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: next step. He was real active yesterday, seemed to be
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: playing with confidence. It's a huge key for the Patriots.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you lose j C. Jackson. I don't think
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: anyone was really expecting Jaylen Mills to step up and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: take a new step as a veteran. And you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: we'll see once we get to the vet into the
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: regular season how much of a real step that is.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: But so far in camp, Jaylen Mills has been, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: one of their best players on a defense that's obviously
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: playing great throughout. I think anybody's top five list he
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: would have to be on, you know, for the entirety
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of camp, you know, for whatever that's worth. Yesterday he
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: was one of the best players on defense. I would say,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: probably the best, you know, considering you know, it's DJ Moore,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: you know, occasionally it's it's Robbie Andrews. Something they're not
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: you know, they're not stiffs as wide receiver. DJ Moore
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: is is a really gifted receiver, and I thought, you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: it really showed up late when they would do in
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: something the two minute and I had talked about how
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the Patriots is probably a little disappointed they weren't able
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to execute a little better in there two minute. Well,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the Panthers couldn't executing there's largely because of Jalen Mills.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: You know, he knocked away a couple of passes in
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the end zone at the end of that session and
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: then they ultimately ended up with a deflection on the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: last play for an interception by Sean Wade. But I've
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: really thought Jalen Mills was outstanding yesterday. Yeah, no offense
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to Patriots wide receivers, but DJ Moore is the best
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: receiver he's faced so far in training camp. So to
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: see him go out there and go toe to toe
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Dj Moore and Robbie Anderson too, which he I think
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: he spent about equal time on both of those guys.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It seemed like it late in practice it was more
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Dj Moore in that two minut trial. But I think
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: what you saw from Jalen Mills is and what he
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: spoke about last year or two is that the Patriots
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: have a nice scheme for cornerbacks where they really simplify
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: things and you play to your leverage, you play man coverage,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and it's really just a much more streamlined way of
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: doing things, so it's not overly complex and what they
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: do in this back end, believe it or not, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: they're able to keep guys in their comfort zone. So
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: even a guy like Jalen Mills who's not necessarily a
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: player that people look at as a Stefan Gilmour and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: his prime or Darrell Reeves or someone like that, the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: way that they are able to coach it. And this
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: is why they've had such great success at that position
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: with guys, you know, like Malcolm Butler, like j. C. Jackson,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: is because they're able to really keep those guys in
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the position to succeed. And it seems like they're doing
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the same thing so far, at least this camp. We'll
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: see what they get into game planning and into the
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: regular season, but so far, it seems like Jalen Mills
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: is in a groove with what they're asking him to do.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it is that they
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: don't put too much on those guys plates even though
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the players lined up across from them are talented, they're
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: able to help them, They're able to allow them to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: leverage things against the safeties and make it a little
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: bit easier on them. Well, of course it's uh, you know,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: DJ Moore is very good, but I think he's only
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg this year. And it'll start
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: next week when we head out to Vegas and get
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: a little glimpse of Davante Adams Hunter Renfro I mean
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that receiving corps. I think that's an even tougher task.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: So we'll see how he does there. As we're seeing
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: some of the Patriots really starting to trickle in here,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: more of the Panthers over there. Uh, then we got
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Josh Bledsoe, another guy who, uh, you know, it's been
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: involved a lot. Curious how he's gonna stick now. That
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: seems like Jabrill Peppers is becoming a little bit more
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: involved as we saw yesterday. Uh, Nate Whaland, I mean,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: these guys are you know, really trying to make an
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: impression here the next couple of weeks. This is their
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: their time to shine and at least earn a practice
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: squad position perhaps, But you know, Nate Whealand I mean
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: not to not to you know, not that we need
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to go into a whole discussion to him, but I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: just feel like he's made some plays. He looked kind
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: of fast out there at times. It's like, you know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: he kind of gets gets in the mix. So you
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: come in late, you know, after camp starts, obviously you
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: are facing extremely long odds to stick around. But he's
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: been he's been active. I've noticed him. Yeah, you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be just I don't want to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: disparage other guys, but I've noticed him more than I've
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: noticed some other guys that have been on the team
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: for a year or two. Yeah. I think his play speed,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: his ability to to get into some space too, maybe
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: will translate to the kicking game as well. And as
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a player that's going to make the team, as what
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the worth of the fifth linebacker, maybe on the depth chart,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: he's definitely gonna have to contribute on special teams to
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: have any chance of having a role on game day.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: So maybe he is a player that can be another
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: one of those special teams guys. And I know it
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: feels like they have a lot of those guys sometimes,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: but when you start to look at Matthew Slater and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Justin Bethel and Cody Davis, three guys that are getting
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: up there in age, and you start to have to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: start looking for that next generation, if you will, of
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: special teams aces and maybe a guy like Will and
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: maybe a guy like even Bledsoe I think can play
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: in the kicking game as well, can contribute in that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: But I wonder with Bledsoe if he's one of those
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: guys that look great the first week or so of
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: camp and then all of a sudden, Jabriel Pepper starts
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: to come on and some thing's happening, and then by
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the end of camp or not even talking about him
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: on the roster anymore. I don't mean that he's done
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: anything wrong, but it just seems like he's that kind
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of player. And then you retroactively go back and you say, oh,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: he was out there so much because there were other
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: guys missing, and you know he's still yeah, And I
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: do think that Bledsoe is still probably you know, projected
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: as a special teams guy. With the depth and the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: veterans that they have at at that position, he's looking
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: at being fifth probably, you know, so he's you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: if he's going to carve out a role. Would him
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: most likely be in the kicking game. But I thought
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Evan said it right, like, it's not like he did
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: anything wrong. When he's been given opportunities, he's generally been
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: in the right spot. And there's mister Mac Jones trotting
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: out for another day, a joints. A nice day for
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Mac yesterday, had some passes downfield. Davante Parker becoming, you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a target. It seems like he's got some trust in him.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Jakobe Myers continues to just catch everything kind of thrown
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: his way. Quiet maybe first couple of days before pads,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: but I think has been really consistent. I thought Parker
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: had one of the lines of Camp when he was
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: talking about that. He was kind of led to it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but he said, you know, the fifty fifty balls,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you know his mentality, those are more like eighty twenty
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: balls for him. It's it's I mean, it seemed like
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it in camp here some of the some of the throws.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we're you know, a little spoiled,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: not not really having a guy that that really is
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: good at those lately. And he certainly is good and
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: has come down with his fair share, and uh yeah,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: so guys, I I I'm not sure exactly what's going
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to be different about today, but I mean I'd like
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to see just a little more of the same. You know.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: That's Uh, it's just so much to look at. It's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: hard to take in, and you wish you could kind
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of go back and watch each kind of section individually. Um,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: but we don't get the film up here. We don't
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: get to We only get to see what we see.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And uh, just so we know, we don't want we
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: don't want to break down the practice film, but I'll
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: leave that. But it was but it's tough. There's it's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: hard to know where to look, and you know, you're
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: intrigued by just getting a chance to see some of
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: these these Panthers stars, I mean other NFL players. No
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: offense to the Patriots, but we watched them every day.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: We get used to watching these guys. We kind of
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: know what they have. And then you know, I saw
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: some clips yesterday online of Christian McCaffrey in some of
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: these drills, and I mean, he's just a lot. I
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: would say he passed the eyeball test. You know, we
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: have a thing you know if we always talk about
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: like every once in a while, like you hear about guys,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and you don't get a chance to see these players
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: like this, like this close on the field, and then
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: sometimes you seem like, wow, you know, he's not quite
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: as whatever as you expected. He was every bit as
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: whatever you expected. I mean, just he just really fluid, fluid,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: smooth athlete. Yeah. It's funny you say that because I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: was on the phone with my my dad yesterday and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he's like, how's practice. I was like that, Christian McCaffrey
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: is incredible. Yeah, I mean just the way that he
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: he runs. He's so incredibly efficient with the way that
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: he moves, and it's like he's gliding. It's almost, yeah, exactly.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It doesn't look like he's running that fast, but he's
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: running by everybody, so you can tell that he is moving.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And he's just a specimen. I mean, I don't want
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to get that too all, you know, crazy about it,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right, settle down, sell down.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: But he room fantastic. I mean that just to me.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I honestly, you look across the league. I all respect
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: in the world for Derrick Henry. I think McCaffrey when healthy,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: is the best back in the league. Oh you missed
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it when we saw Derrick Henry in person with Deuce
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was down there for that one too,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and he wanting a room. But McCaffrey's ability, I mean,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: we saw it yesterday in the two minute drill he
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: beat uh. I think it was Juan Bentley on like
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a corner route from out of the backfield. Yeah, Derek
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Herry is a great player, but Derrick Carry does not
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: bring that element from the for his game. Totally different
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: kind of player. Yeah. Maybe Alvin kamaras in that category
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I think as well. But his ability, I mean, he's
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: legitimately a guy that can go for a thousand and
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a thousand in a season. I remember having a conversation
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: with Jarad Mayo about Camara coming out of college. And
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: this is before Mayo came back as a coach. He
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: was still working in the media at that time, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: he just couldn't you know, he's a Tennessee guy, you know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Mayo from Tennessee. He just couldn't understand why no one
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: was given a stronger look to Kamara. And I you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I like to watch college football, not necessarily as a scout,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I like to watch college football. Yeah, then there's guys
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: randomly that stick in my head from games that I watch,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and obviously you watch a lot of SEC games, Um,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: you know, and guys stick out to me. No, I don't,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't pretend to be Bill Belichick trying
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to say, well, that guy has a skill set that
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I know translates to the NFL. I just watched guys
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and say that guy can play. And Kimara was one
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of those guys. I couldn't understand why no one was
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: on him in that draft process, and certainly he's proven
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that to be the case. Yeah, Mayo was so complimentary
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of him. I forget who the coach was at Tennessee
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: at the time, but the book on Kamara was that
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: he was extremely underutilized at Tennessee in that backfield, and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: it was he didn't have a ton of touches in college,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: so there wasn't a ton of tape of him in general.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: But obviously the tape that was out there was fantastic
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and much different than McCaffrey, who could have won the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy at Stanford and was excellent in college. So
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that with McCaffrey, there was. Obviously there was some concern
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: about his athleticism and his ability in space to really
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: translate that to the next level, but obviously that that
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: has not been an issue. I was how little glimpse
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: there of a Patriots great. Dan Copen former center three times,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: helped Super Bowl champ. Yeah, and Teddy Bruski down there again.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: So it's a continues to be a revolving door of
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Patriots alumni. I mean I missed a couple of those yesterday.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I did not see Nikovich. I didn't mention him in
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: my uh my rundown. He was out here yesterday evidently
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: went into my buddy Mike Reese. Yeah, there's there's Bruski
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and his son Captain of fian this year as well,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and then as well, as I'm being in form Mike
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Mayaka back again. We talked about Mayak yesterday, and uh,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you know when Fred, you know, just missed him because
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you know where's he who's he work for? I don't
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: know Fred, He's just he a watch him. I think
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: my favorite thing about these former offensive linemen like Sebastian Vollmers,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: when they get their like real guy body outside of football,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: they stopped, you know, doing all the heavy lifting, and
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I mean Sebastian Volmer, you probably wouldn't even recognize him.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I mean you you probably Paul got more up close,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you know, with him as a player when he was
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you know, six seven three twenty, I mean how big.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And I mean now he looks like I mean in shape.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I mean probably not. He was always kind of more
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of a lean tackle than than what you would probably expect.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: But yeah, now he looks like he's in really good
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: shape in terms of that coping. Similarly, it's just you
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: walk around these guys, you just feel like it's a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: different They're just done a different level in terms of size.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But then once they get out it seems a little
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: bit a little bit closer to normal. And yes, we
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: got the reps out here. We're starting to break up
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit as the team's getting ready to stretch.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick having a conversation with Matt Patricia out there
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: swinging his whistle as he is wont to do. It's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a favorite Bill Belichick and Nelson Agilor, who also there,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: had a pretty strong camp as well. So plenty of emails.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: We'll get to those in a minute. We'd love to
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: hear from you guys, though, please give us give us
• 30:35
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• 30:39
  Speaker 1: give us a call. Let us know what what you
• 30:41
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• 30:43
  Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com. Send us an email, let us
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: know if you're here. Looks guys, not quite as packed
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: as it was yesterday, but certainly a good show out
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: here for the last training camp practice. Maybe the weather, Paul,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: sorry to bring that up again. Maybe effective today. I mean,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know why that the beaches are open, you know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: as you know Gillette meetings, friendship correct. Alex is somewhere
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: saying I don't even know what they're talking as Kendrick
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Bourne is back in practice after yesterday, a little scuffle
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: got in there and got in the midst pretty quick,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: but hopefully they put that stuff behind them. And there's
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Big Mike, who you know and when you his rookie year.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I just remember being here fortunately during COVID, which was bizarre.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: There's no fans or anything, but just take a note
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to him immediately, Big Mike walking out, I mean, he's
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: it seems like after some questions, maybe some rotation early
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: in camp at that right guard spot, it seems kind
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: of like on when you is settled in, they're not
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: really playing with him too much anymore. Yeah, during one
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: on ones, I would say, other than maybe Trent Brown
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Mike on When who's been the most consistent lineman that
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: they've had in those types of drills, he does not
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: get beat very often in a one on one situation,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's something that you have to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: take into account, maybe even a little bit more at
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: times than the run blocking scheme fit type of stuff,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: because eventually you're going to have to execute a drop
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: back passing game and you want the best pass protectors
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: in there, and he's cleaning wall up there with Trent
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: as one of the best pass protectors that they have.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: So it's pretty impressive to watch him and how he's
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: able to move, you know, on his edges and get
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: his feet moving side to side and some of these
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: pass rushtrils that they do where it's it's one on
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: one and the defensive lineman or edge defender they're just
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: pinning their ears back right. There's no there's no threat
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: of a run, there's no fake, there's no nothing. It's
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: just straight up the field and he's able to really
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: wall a lot of these guys off. Now I'm noticing
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: here Maca looks like he's got like a sleeve on
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: today on his right arm. I'm not sure. I'm not
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: sure if that's a you know, for some soreness or something.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: But always we're always well aware of any contraption or
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: sleeve or boots or any anything that changes. And of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: course the starting quarterback. But but he had a nice
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: day yesterday and Bailey Zappy maybe maybe he'll get some
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: action today, didn't really see much as much as Appy.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's what the preseason games for, right, No, Yeah,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: And and it was like again, that just magnifies that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: opportunity he got early in camp um, which I hammered
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: home in the broadcast, But just you know, how many
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: times does a rookie get an opportunity to get as
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: many reps as he did during that stretch where Brian
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Horrier was off the practice field. So now you know
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: you see him how rare it is because Horrior has
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: been back and you've seen very little of Zappy. It
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: looks like the Patriots are working on some some kickoff return,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: a little walk through. Panthers are doing some walk through
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: offense on one end and looks like defense on the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: other end. So this is usually what you get a
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: little bit of a walk through before things get going,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and then they'll head into the stretch. So let's let's
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: jump over to the emails here for a minute and
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: we see what the what the fans are wondering. Uh.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Connor bar writes in pretty simple question, Now, do you
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: guys think Taekwon Thornton will be a starter this year? Well?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't know, like starter like he does
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that mean he has to be on the field on
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the first play? Do I feel like he'll I think
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: he'll be part of the offense. I don't know how
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: to label him starter number three weeks. I think he'll
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: have a chance to be a contributing player on offense.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I think he's done. I think he's done enough in
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: camp to earn that, to earn an opportunity. Sure seems
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: like he changes the offense with his speed. I mean
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: it's just it's it stands out. Uh. There's another one
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: from Marco. He writes in and he says, uh, question,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: do you see the Patriots in the mix for Roquan
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Smith in a trade? Or what are you willing to
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: give Myers in the first round pick be enough. And
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: he's a big fan, especially at Paul. So there you go, Paul.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: When young people, I love Roquan Smith, I do. I
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: think he's a terrific player. I don't think the Patriots
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: would give up a first round pick Um and Jacobe
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Myers for him. That would probably get it done. The
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: first round pick would probably get it done. Right. Well,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the issue is that you also have to pay them. Oh,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. So you have to
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: give him a new contract, and you're giving up the capitol.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: The way that they've treated the linebacker position in recent
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: years tells you that they're just not going to invest
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: a ton at that position. And I don't necessari really
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: blame them for it. Just the way that the league
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: is being played now and with all the passing and
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: things like that, that that true middle linebacker might not
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: have the same value in today's NFL that had had
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: maybe twenty years ago. So I don't see them paying
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Roquan Smith the top market deal and giving up a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: first round pick to get him. And I'm not so
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: sure I'm too interested in it either. Well, we got
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: another one here from Dylan, and he's wondering, do you
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: guys know if Mac has been named to captain yet
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: or when that might happen. I think captain's come usually
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: toward the end of preseason, so we got another couple
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of weeks. But I would be absolutely stunned if he's not,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and I was stunts last year that he wasn't. So
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: who knows, Evan, this might be one for you. And
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: it's a good question because it's something I don't really
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: feel like I've gotten a good look at him in camp.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Dwight French writes in just wondering where you see the
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Canadian Drew descharlais fitting in? Is he a practice squad player?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Do you think or does he have a chance of
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the fifty three? We mentioned a little bit right guard.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: They're playing with it a little bit and it seemed
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: like he was, you know, getting some B level reps.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: But you know, what have you seen out of him
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: in one on ones? Anything that impressed you? I would say,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: practice squad. I don't really see him making the fifty
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: three man rosters the way things stand right now, He's
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: had some issues in one on ones. He sees maybe
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the play speed or the explosiveness of some of these
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: guys give him some problems. I don't necessarily think that
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: he's been awful by any means, but I just don't
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: think that he's going to be a guy that's going
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to make the fifty three. I got a good one
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: from Marcus and I think, you know, we talked a
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: lot about Trey Flowers, and he said, you know, were
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: there any free agents out there you might consider the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Patriots signing before the regular season. Um, I mean these
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: are tough questions because there's just I mean, there's literally
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of guys out there that you could,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: you know, potentially consider. But I know Trey Flowers was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: a popular name that that people were considering. But based
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: on what you've seen from the defense at this point,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, unless you were saying maybe upgrading the right
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: defensive end on, you know, think he's better than Utrich. Yeah,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: that's that's the that's the question I personally, the last
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I saw of Flowers, I do think he's better than
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Juture twice. But maybe he's not anymore. You know, I
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: haven't seen him a couple of injury plague seasons up
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: in Detroit. I don't know, if he's that guy anymore.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: And you know, Wise was outstanding yesterday. So yeah, I
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: mean I'm always interested in adding some depth, but I'm
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: not sure that that's I think that we get these
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: questions a lot, and it's always you know, who can
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: they get? Who can I don't think you're getting difference
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: making players, you know, in the middle of August. I
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: just we added the ro Kuan Smith question earlier too.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: You're right, Paul, that people love to ask these types
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: of questions, right who can they sign? Who can they
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: trade for? Who can they get? Honestly, with the way
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: that they look defensively now, I would like to just
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: see them carry this group into the season and see
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: what they can get out of guys, even like Anthony Jennings,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: who's had a nice camp, maybe he's finally coming into
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: his own or back from that injury in college and
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: back to his normal self. I would much rather at
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: this stage, based off the guys that you're going to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: get right in the conversation there, go into into the
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: season and see what you have with this group. Obviously,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: if a number one corner, true number one corner like
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Stefond Gilmore level player comes available, than maybe you make
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: a move like that, but these low level signings back
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: at the roster signings, I would just rather give the
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: guys that have been here or those chances. Yeah, and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not you know, it's not one of those absolute things.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I understand that you can get a disgruntled player, you know,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: like the role quant Smith situation. Yeah, sometimes you can
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: get a talented guy who becomes available for a variety
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: of reasons. And that's how they got to keep to Leap.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: That's the one that always stands out to me with
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: this group in particular, because you look at this secondary
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: it does I think it will be better based off
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: of what we've seen, but it does give you some
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: twenty ten, twenty eleven vibes and of the way that
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: it's built. And then to Leap came in in twenty
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: twelve and completely changed the whole complexion of that defense.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I still feel like that's the move, and that's probably
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: going to come closer to the trade deadline if it
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: does happen, But that's the move that I would look
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: for them to make to actually add a legitim and
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: impact player. Is well, eventually somebody like that free for
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: some whatever reason contractually or we saw Jalen Ramsey move.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: We saw a lot of guys get moved that have
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: a ton of talent at the cornerback position. Yeah, that's
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: a Russell Russell O'Gorman in Arkansas. Following up and you know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: similar to you see the Patriots trading for a veteran
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: corner If there was a position you think they might
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: be a little bit light at what spot do you
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: think they might look to at make an addition? You know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: maybe it cut down over that. It seems like over
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: always over that. I mean it's a it's a Tuesday
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: now instead of the week labor day, weekend, but it
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: seems like they always pick up a guy or two.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: You know, in the shuffle of people making final cutdowns.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Is there a particular position you think they might be
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: a bit little light up? Perhaps tackle? If we don't
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: see Isaiah Wynn and Justin rumback, I think they could
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: use some depth on the offensive line. Yeah, that's a
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: that's a spot I think cornerback. And we talked about
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Williams and Butler. I think that kind of represented your
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: depth there. Um. I don't think it's a killer, but
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you lose a Jalen Mills. Yeah,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and you're saying, oh, we don't have a veteran that
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: we feel comfortable plugging in now, So I guess a
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: couple of spots. Yeah, I would say corner. But ultimately
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I think that their depth in a lot of places
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: is actually okay. It's it's maybe looking for guys that
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: have more top end talent. I don't think there's any
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: real depth. I totally agree with Evan on that's what's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the point of really going out there and trading for
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: a guy that's comparable to Terrence Mitchell when you already
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: have Terrence Mitchell on the roster, right, So it's not
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: necessarily about getting guys like that. Like wide receiver I
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: think is another position. Maybe Taekwon ends up being that guy,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: so they don't necessarily need to chase it. But they
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: have a lot of really good two through four depth
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: at wide receiver, maybe even two through five if Taekwon's
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: a player, So you don't necessarily need more depth at
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: wide receiver. But obviously, if one of these disgruntled veteran
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: white dust as we've seen with Tyree Hill and Davante
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Adams and all these guys that have been moved in
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years at that position. If one
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of those guys comes available, you're still looking for that
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: bona fide number one guy in your offense. So maybe
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: that those are the types of moves, But again, I
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: would just rather see them go into the season with
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: some of these death pieces that have performed well in
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: training camp. If one of those moves comes available, then great,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: If not, let's just see what these guys got. Yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: especially when you have, you know, time invested in these guys,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and you know, maybe on paper a player might look
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: like an upgrade, but at the same time, you got
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: to consider that that player doesn't really know what he's doing,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: hasn't been here for training camp, and you know, I
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: think that does factor in. And a little bit of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: NFL news to share. I think it's interesting Derwin James
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and the Chargers, according to Adam Schefter, have agreed on
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: a four year, seventy six point four million dollar extension,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: which averages nineteen point one one million a year. We
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: talk about the Patriots safety depths. That's quite a deal
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: for Derwin James, certainly a great player in their secondary,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: and jac Jackson joining him. You look at the Patriots
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: having five safeties, though, I think maybe maybe we might
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: be looking at them going down to a couple more
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: that I don't know if they're going to be in
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the market, but jer Bo Peppers somebody like him who's
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: on a one year deal, certainly if he goes in
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: balls out this year, it might mean a little bit
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit more dope for him. And he thought
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: on on Derwin James. We always talk about value at
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. I think if you add up the salaries
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: of the top four safeties on the Patriots, it equals
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: one Derwin James, and Derwin James a fantastic player. But
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's pretty I'm assuming that that's the
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: top of the market deal for Derwin James, resetting the
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: safety market. And I don't think Kyle Dugger is quite
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: yet on the Derwin James level. But you start to
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: think about his second contract and what that's going to
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: cost the Patriots. If he's going to stick around, he's
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: certainly going to be a player that's going to be
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: in the top ten, top fifteen of deals. You would
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: think at that position. Once that time comes, we're already
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in what year three with Kyle Dugger, so it's not
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: too far off. He's only got one more year on
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: that rookie deal after this, and it's a four year
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: rookie deal, So we're not too far off from having
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: that conversation about an extension or a second contract for
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: a guy like Kyle Dugger. So it's always notable when
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: the top of the market gets set because now you
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: can at least get a little bit of a gauge
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: of what it might cost the Patriots to pay Kyle Dugger. Yeah,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: they of course moved early last year, resigned Adrian Phillips
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to an extension. I mean, Phillips was, you know, just
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a slam dunk signing. But you talk about you got
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Peppers here one year, you got two more years of Dugger,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you got a few more years of Phillips. Then you've
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: got Bledsoe waiting in the wings a little bit too.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: So it seems like they've got, you know, kind of
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: long running depth at the safety position. Nothing that they
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: have to worry about. I think that they have to
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: go out and solve immediately. We got the Patriots continue
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: to do to walk through stuff. So we will get
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: back to showing you guys the on field action once
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: stretching begins and with that horn, that's about what's likely
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: to start. Just trying to give you a little bit
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: of an update here, and this is not official, but
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I don't I mean, we saw very little of Hunter Henry.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: He left practice early yesterday. I do not see him
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: out there unless I'm missing him if you guys have
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: seen him. So there's one veteran at the tight end
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: group right now, one veteran that I have not seen
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: out there. Otherwise we're looking at kind of the same,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: you know, justin Heran, Isaiah Wynn, and Bill Murray, the
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: three offensive linemen that are out so Evan, I want
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: to throw this one year away because I think you're
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: you're all over this guy. Ian writes in it, says,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: is mac Wilson the solution for the sideline to sideline
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: linebacker this team has been lacking? Or is he a
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: stop gap until we find that guy? What do you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: think his role is? I mean, I think you talk
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: about sideline to sideline, you're you're kind of inferring that
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: he's an every down middle linebacker, you know that's gonna play.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Probably not exactly what mac Wilson is though. What have
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: you seen on a mac. What I like about him
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: is that he does bring that explosive element to the
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: passing game, whether it's in coverage or it's rushing the passer,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: which honestly, you know, his coverage has been good too,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: But I think blitzing has been where I've been the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: most impressed with him. We saw it in the Thursday
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: night game against the Giants that he was able to
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: get a QB hit on Daniel Jones there early on
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: in that game as well, So he's been an impactful blitzer.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: But he certainly can cover more ground in coverage and
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: you do some of the more stressful coverage assignments that
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: they have for linebackers in this defense. But ultimately, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: for better or worse, I still think that they are
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: going to really treat guys situationally, and I think Mac
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Wilson fits into that category where he's a second and long,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: third down sub package type of player, and Ray Kawa,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: McMillan and Jowan Bentley are going to handle the early
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: down stuff and I think that that's sort of how
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: they look at it with a lot of these guys.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: The one guy that I hope that the few as
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: an more expanded role player is Barmore, but I think
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: at times we could see Christian Barmore even in that
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: category as well, where he's really just in a passing
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: downs type of roles. So I think that that's how
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: they're looking at with this defense, with the depth that
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: they do have, that they might be able to almost
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: have like a rotation hockey lines, if you will, right,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: based off of the package in the situation of how
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: they're going to handle things, and I think mack Wilson
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: will be a passing downs guy out. I'm not sure
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: if he's going to be an every down player. I
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: think last year Jamie Collins's role was a little bit
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: more of a passing down situational type of thing, and
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: that's maybe where they see mack Wilson fitting in. Well,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: let's jump to the phones. Here. We got Eric in California. Eric. Hello,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: you are live on the training camp cash here. Well,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: good morning, doing We're no good. Just try to speak
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: up a little. We got some sound coming through right now. Yeah,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I hear you, and you've been calling um a couple
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: of years ago. Blind you didn't know you watching you
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: guys kind of gotcha. Thanks, Eric, I'm gonna let you go.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: But I got the gist of it. Uh, you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I think I think there's the big changes that you know,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: you had Gerad Mayo and you had Steve Belichick here,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: who are two coaches who you know had been on
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. And so You're right.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: There has been instances where they have not named official coordinators,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: but usually in those instances, they've had younger coaches that
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: have kind of been being groomed behind the scenes. This
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: is a kind of a different situation in terms of
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and more important with coaches that work on
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: that side of the ball. Yeah, I mean, I know
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: everybody is fixating on the fact that they didn't name anybody.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I don't care who they name. I don't care that
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: they name someone or not. I care that the guy
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: calling the plays is an offensive coach or at least
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: has experienced as an offensive coach. They don't have that.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm concerned. I don't know about anybody else,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: but that's what I'm concerned about. Yeah, it's not comparable
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: that anything that's ever happened for the Patriots. Yeah, I'm
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: not too caught up in the play caller to be honest.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: With you, because I think that at the end of
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the day, the execution of the plays, in the design
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: of the plays, is going to be more important than
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the sequencing of the plays. There's obviously something to be
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: said for the sequencing too, and it can be important,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: but if you have guys out there executing at a
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: high level, you can pretty much call whatever you want
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: and it's going to work. So I'm not necessarily too
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: caught up in the actual play caller aspect of it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: But what I am interested to see is what we
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: saw on Thursday night in the preseason game. Is Matt
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Patricia stretched you thin? Is he wearing too many hats?
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Because you have him calling plays, him working the quarterbacks,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: him working with the offensive line. At some point in time,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: somebody else is going to have to pick up some
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: of that slack. He can't be in three places at once,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: and to me, that's a bigger concern than maybe who's
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: actually physically calling the plays on game day. And that's
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: why I've always thought that Joe Judge makes the most
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: sense because he's got one role, and that's to be
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: there with the quarterbacks and to coach the quarterbacks, and
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry about coaching up the line
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: and coaching up the quarterbacks and calling the plays. He
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: can just work with Mac exclusively call the plays and
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: be the de facto play caller. And I think that
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: that's the way that it makes the most sense from
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: an efficiency standpoint. But what we saw on Thursday night,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: and not that to look too much into a preseason game,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia might be better at calling plays, and if
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: he's the best guy for the job, then you have
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: to figure out the other pieces. And maybe it's Billy
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: A two ends up stepping up and handling the sideline
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: responsibilities with the offensive lineman. Yeah. I think what was
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: eye opening for me is just anytime you see footage
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: of you know, Dante Scarnekia on the sidelines and you
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: know everything that goes into coaching on the sidelines during
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the game and the keys that he was able to
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: alert his guys too. So I mean, it certainly is
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: an important game day operational role that you know you
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: need from your offensive line coaches. But you know, I
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: just I would just say going into this season, I
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: just I hope that you know, I think Pauls has
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: touched on it well, that it's you know, it's unfortunately
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: it's kind of the coaches in the firing line. But
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: you know, I would hope at least, you know, in
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: our analysis here when we're trying to break things down,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: that we're you know, trying to get to the root
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: of it. Was it you know, was it Mac Jones?
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: It was it? You know? Was it the play calling?
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Is it the you know, because I know what the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: easy crutch will just be to blame the play calling,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: which certainly it could very well um be the problem.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't think, you know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I think people what we really really want to know
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: is how is Mac Jones developing? You know, how is
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Mac playing? And you know, is this suiting mac um?
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: You know? But I don't want to give him a repass.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: At the same time, if if things are there, he's
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: not seeing them and he's not hitting them, then I,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we need to we need to
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: highlight that as well. But uh, it's it's certainly an
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: interesting situation going into the season, and you know, it's
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: just something that is going to be talked about and
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: critiqued and broken down and all that. And I do
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: think given the history of it, that that that's you know,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: something that's that's apt and worth discussing. It's, as I said,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones is just the most important part here for
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: this team in their future. And I share Evans overall
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: thoughts about play calling. I think it is in a
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: lot of respects it's overrated the actual play call, and
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. Um and a lot of coaches
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: over the years have said that there's a booklet that
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: comes out before before the NFL season. They give a
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: lot of it's a lot of questionnaires, right, Um and
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of different coaches, they ask what's the most overrated,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: and they'll say that the actual play call. Yeah, the
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: play call in So I do agree with that, but
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's among coaches that have called plays, right.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I think that what I what I really liked about
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Josh was his sort of reservoir of backgrounds and being
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: able to say, you know, two years ago, when we
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: were struggling doing X against a scheme that was doing why,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: this is what we did to fix that. Excellent adjustments,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: you know, and this is and this is how we
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: get by, you know, you know, after two after two
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: straight three and outs, this is what we did to
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: fix that, Right, and I don't know that. You know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator and a special team's coach are going
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: to have that reservoir of knowledge to fall back on
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: when things are struggling. It's not about the play call.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: It's about understanding what what you want to do at
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: a particular time. Yeah, he feels back to Super Bowl
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: fifty three, when they're geting nothing going offensively, he draws
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: up that play on the sideline to Gronkowski or he
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: blocks and then releases. They essentially said after that game
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: that Josh drew that up like in the dirt, like
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: you do in the playground, and said this is what
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do. And that was were the types of
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: things that McDaniels is at. I know a lot of
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: people with McDaniels would get caught up in like the
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: draws and the screens. On third day he got killed
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: in excellent play caller and he was really good at
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: it was seeing the bigger picture of I'm gonna I'm
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: gonna start doing this early on in the game because
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: we know in the fourth quarter we're gonna go to
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: this and we're gonna have this look established so that
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: we can go back to something that's gonna pull one
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: over the defense later on in the game. So you
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: talked to coaches around the league, you talk to guys
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: that really no offensive football, and McDaniel's name in terms
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: of his situational play calling, his play designing obviously has
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: been was fantastic too. It's it's a big loss. It's
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: a guy that that really knew was in my mind,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: probably a top five offensive mind in football other than
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: you know, the Shanahan tree. You know Shanahan and McVay
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: and Andy Reid I think is up there as well.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: But he's one of the better offensive minds and football.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: So replacing him is not going to be easy. Well,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: we've been We've been joined by Tamara. She's up from
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: her duties down below on the field level. Hey, Mike,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: what's going on? Give us a report tomorrow out from
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: down the sidelines. How what's the mood down there today?
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: So my first report before I forget, is that Dakota
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Trapton is a big fan of Patriotson Filter. He ran
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: into me downstairs and he was like, is Mike nearby?
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, uh, he was like do you So
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: he was like, I love Patriotson Filter. He was like
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: are you Tamar, And I was like, yeah, what's your name?
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: And he gave us his name and I was like,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I'll definitely mention that when I get up there, I'll
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: tell Mike you said hello, you didn't want Paul. Sorry,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: that's nice. That's It's always great to hear from the
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: end of the show. Very happy to fly under the radar.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: He said that, you know, a friend recommended it to
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: him and he's been listening ever since. That's awesome. Well,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he's got in your butt in there
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: listening to lie from our bird and the sky perspective. Hello,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: hello out there. Um, yeah, that was my first time
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: meeting someone who listens to the show. So that was
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: a fan and no autographs yet. That asked for you,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Mike asked for you, Mike Fan, you call me Mike.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a real fan, Mike Fan.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Gottaduced me. Uh what else? What else going on there?
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: How is any any energy reports? Just after the little
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: bit of you know, things boiled over a little bit yesterday,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: seems like guys were chatting a little bit, I mean
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: in a friendly way. I think the storm has passed,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: both um literally and figuratively. I think the rain, you know,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: has passed hopefully for us for practice, and I think
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: also yesterday seems to have been left in yesterday from
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the from the mood that I felt coming off the field. Yeah,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I will say this just observationally. About five minutes ago,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: after the warm up period was over the calisthenics, the
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: stretching and all that, the Panthers gathered in the middle
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: of the field as in their entirety the whole team,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: and my guess is Matt Rule had one final let's
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: knock off the nonsense from yesterday. Um, let's not have
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: any of that spill over out here today. I mean,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just speculating, but they didn't do that yesterday before
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: the practice. They did it today. No fighting, no fighting,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: no fighting. Little players only huddle yesterday where they're you know,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: you see players before games and stuff like you dear
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: a little hype up right, This was the whole team. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I talked to Damian Harris a little bit after practice,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: kind of just you know, asking him how it went,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: and he's just like, no barking. I didn't hear you barking, um,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: but he mentioned he was like, you know, he was.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I was really excited, excited to play football, so I
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: was a little bit upset. You know, we had, you know,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: all that extra stuff happening around. So he's looking forward
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: to today hopefully, you know, being a little bit more
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: competitive football only no drama. Yeah, well we'll see. Let's uh,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: let's let's one other guy. I don't see Mike. And
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: if you guys see do you see ya Durant? Numbers
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: have not seen seven, which you know, and I bring
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: that up again because now that you're talking about three tackles,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, not in in uniform. So it's Trent Brown
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: and yad Ny could just um or bust. So you
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: probably see a little bit more of Arlington Ham. Right.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: You didn't see Trent Brown. I did. I did see
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Trent Brown. I didn't see yr Cia Durant, Isaiah Wynn
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: and Justin Harunt. It was three tackles, not in uniform.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Do you wonder at what point too, when it starts
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: to get some run. I don't like him at tackle,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I know, I mean I don't. I don't really like
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: him in there. I think he's more suited for the inside. Again,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not an expert at the offensive line. I let
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: you guys do that in your own time. But I
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: don't think that he has the mobility to play out there.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think he has the quickness to handle edge rushers. Um. Yeah,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I think he's more of a maller. Are there any available,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I guess, um, guys out there who aren't signed, who
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: can potentially take their place if need be. Probably that
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: was the most That was the most Paul answer. It
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: was it was we need an offensive line? Can we
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: get one? Yeah? Probably, I should say one that offensive line,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: like you know how you said, like you know the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Derwin James. You know that's probably top of the market.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I don't mind paying top of the market for elite
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: talent at you know, a position like that. I do
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: mind paying top of the market for an offensive tackle.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: He's bet he better be Orlando Pace if I'm setting.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: If I'm setting the market, so you wouldn't pay Trent Williams. No, no, no,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: that's no for me too. No. No, oh, something brewing,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: something brewing here. I don't know if I can agree
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: with that. Day. I think he's an excellent tackle. You
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: mentioned Orlando Pace. He might be yea Jonathan Outen. You
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: know a guy that's going to be a fixture for
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: fifteen years and be the best, the best that he
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: that you know of a generation. Sure, I'll pay for that,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: But the rest of them, to me, I think it's
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: kind of like kicker, the difference between the best and
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: the worst is so small, like yeah, well, I'm but
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I don't want to name any names,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: but we've seen some bad tackle play at times over
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: the last twenty plus years, and it gets pretty bad
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: when some of them, some of them might make ten
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: million a year. I do I mean, I do think
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: though it speaks to I do think it speaks the
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: point though that you know, you can't pay every position,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: and you gotta pick you know which ones you where
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you might might skimp a little bit, and you know
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: is one that you don't skimp on? Is? I mean?
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Left tackles are highly paid in the league and in
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: general it's an important spot. So Paul, you saying that
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: reminded me of the opening of The blind Side when
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Sandra Bullock is describing, you know, Lawrence Taylor coming through
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: the line. Who's like, because of Lawrence Taylor, now this
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: position is now the most valuable position on the team.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Michael and so when you were talking about that left
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: tackle being the most valuable, I was thinking about, Wow,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: this sounds like literally the opening of my favorite movie.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I love that movie. I like that movie. Here's a question.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: And I like the Disney movies. Sometimes they get me.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Sandra Bullock is the best. I'm biased, you know, Paul.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: You see I'm watching something other than Handsome. I think, hey,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Morrel Morrell, I think we need just generally for tomorrow,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: we need the lawn order, a little you know, a
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: little hick dude, the stingy, like just whenever she makes
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: a point or something, you know, just bang that one.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: That's actually really good. I think we need to address this.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Paul Austin from NC he's writing and he says, Fred missing.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: You know, as of late, has the boss Man gotten
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: too big for us? Is he somewhere in the stadium
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: spilling something on a shirt? Do we need to start
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: putting his face on milk cartons? We need Fred and
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: the Fred. Paul Panter couldn't agree more. Yeah, he's he's
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: he's got a lot going on. But something is lacking
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: when the boss Man is missing. Yeah, it's and something
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: that isn't lacking is me talking too much? Probably, but hey,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: we gotta do what we gotta do. We're all we're
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: all busy, so hopefully, hopefully it's not detracting too much
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: from the enjoyment. But I will think he'll almost fall
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: down coming out. Oh no, and jeez, the last thing
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: that guy needs so much so that he's joining again.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, they were just getting a little bit
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: of a little bit of positional drills right now as
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: we're getting started before some of the more interesting action
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: kick into gear and then we'll all lose our minds
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's going on. Let's go back
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: over here to the emails. Of course, Claire, she's got
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: to ring in. Claire. I don't have a Ryan at
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: update for you right now, so we'll have to wait.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: We'll do a right up on that after a full
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: you know, Ryan ISZ breakdown. But um, what do you
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: think Pat's we'll have with tight end three? And who
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: may at BC? I think it's an interesting question because
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: yesterday with Hunter Henry out, you saw Devin Asiassi get
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: a little bit of opportunity. I didn't really think he
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: did much, and again Hunter Henry fully out today, so
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're Devin Asiasi your three, you've kind
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: of been waiting for an opportunity. Today is kind of it.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Yesterday and today is kind of it. I mean, I
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: feel like today he's a guy that that that needs
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: to play well, he's gonna get an opportunity. They've been
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: running plenty of two tight end stuff. So I don't
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: want to say it's now We're never for Devin Asiassi.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: But in your three, how long's Hunter Henry gonna be out?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: We don't know. I don't know. I don't know for
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: sure that any any tight end three has a spot
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: locked up. But we talked about Socol yesterday and he's
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: actually been okay too. When I think of Asiasi yesterday,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: the first thing that came to mind was the fumble
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: that happened right in front of us. Like it's those
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: type of opportunities. It's like you really can't give them
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: any fell on it exactly. And so I'm hoping today
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: that one he doesn't fumble, but too that he makes
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: the most of his opportunity with Hunter Henry out again.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: So Evan, I know you think you've been there a
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and I know you think I'm you know,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I tend to be a little pessimistic. I'm gonna tell
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: you what. I'm gonna tell you what I thought of it,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Devin Asi. Yes, Yes, And the thing that stuck out
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: to me was the touchdown that he caught from Brian
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Hoyer and the two minute drill to close practice. I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: thought it was Paul. I thought it was one of
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: the better offensive plays they ran in the two minute.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Both guys, the two minute was a little clunky. That
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: was a really well executed play. It was an excellent
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: passion and it was a great It was a great
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: It was a great throw from Hoyer. But Lass, you know,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: looked very smooth. I don't think there's any I don't
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: even think it's close. I think there's a chance that
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: none of them make it is the third guy, and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: maybe they use Jona and Smith sort of in a
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: hybrid kind of thing. But if you're gonna take three,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: one of those three, to me, ASSISI is head and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: shoulders the option. Yeah, I'll still go back to over
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Keen and so go back to his twenty twenty tape two,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: where he was actually pretty solid as a run blocker
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: when they really had to give him the opportunity to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: play his rookie season, and I think as a receiver,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: you see some of the things in his breaks and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: his ability to get open at the top of the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: route that you like. And I agree that maybe he
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: needs to finish plays a little bit more consistently, like
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Tamara was saying, But overall, I like what I've seen
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: out of Devin Aassiossi as a third tight end. I'm
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: not saying he's Rob Gronkowski as a depth guy. I
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: think that he's somebody that that can serve that role.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: But you worry about Hunter Henry last year, knock On
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Wood really lucky with injury, luck and all that sort
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: of thing based off of the past in his career,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: So you have to have some depth there because you
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: never know if that's going to run out on you.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Dare I say little Jordan Humphrey maybe in a big
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: tight end type of iah, do you see that kind
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: of a skill set. I think that he's at his
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: best when he's inside and he's running the seam, and
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: that's what we saw out of him against the Giants.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: And we were talking to Nick Kaylee the other day
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: during assistant coach availability and he was saying that because
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: they only had SOCCLE active in that game, they had
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: to actually cross train little Jordan a little bit on
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: tight end. Look what I did that I got on
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: tight end because they just they had to play some snaps.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: They couldn't make SCCLE play the entire game, so they
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: they had a little bit of Little Jordan playing the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: why on Thursday night against the Giants and they here
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: why not just real quick on that, you know, And
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I felt like Assias was the pick over SOCLE and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: UM team without question. If you go your route with Humphrey,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: this is a Bill Belichick isn't that He's used many
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: times in the past. It's not about necessarily the positions
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: and stacking the positions. It's about finding a way to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: keep the best players right you can. He might think
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that little Jordan Humphrey is a better player than Devin Asias.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: He certainly had a really strong camp. And like I said,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: you know the the zero blitz at the end of
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: the game where Zappy got him the touchdown, just to
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: seem run right right up the seam, get over the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: top of the guy and make a play on the football.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: He has that skill set. We actually saw it in
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: practice right before the Giants preseason game where he and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: another seam ball and I think it was Hoyer that
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: that split two defenders to get the ball in too.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Little Jordan, I don't love when he's on the outside.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's where he's going to succeed
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. But as that jumbo slot move tight
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: end piece, I think that he's got some value in
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: that type of role. And it's another bigger receiver which
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: they could probably but I don't know about him as
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: his ability to block. You know, it's a third tight end.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: You're probably gonna need to have that now. I've also
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: seen a little Arlington ham Bright lining up as an
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: extra tackle at least one day. They're definitely gonna want
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: that in their in their back pocket. The six oh
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: line is definitely not going anywhere, and I still catch
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: there by Kendrick Bourne, right, it's just another minute or
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: so a video, so get it while you can. He
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: here's some of the warm ups. We will be going
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: though to all audio for the rest of practice, so
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: don't go anywhere you just you know, won't get to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: see the pictures of them practicing in our beautiful faces
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: up here on the side of the stadium. Mike, you
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: mentioned Kendrick Bourne, So now that that has me thinking
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: of how today is valuable for him. Yeah, and I
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: think that because he's been so quiet throughout camp. You know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to him yesterday having an
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: opportunity to compete against the Panthers defense and you know,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: see where he is. But obviously that was cut short
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: with him being removed from practice, and so now that
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: he's back, I'm hoping to actually see like the Kendrick
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Corn that we see in the game maybe show up today. Well,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about that a little bit, Yestermary, I'm
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: glad you brought that up, because you know, an impression
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: I have from watching these practices is that it seems
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: like they have a set group of plays for Jonas Smith,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: they have a set group of plays for DeVante Parker.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: It certainly seems like Jacoby Myers and situations is one
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: of the main targets that they're going for, even Agalore.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that they have specific stuff designed for him,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: but we've seen them go for him. I just haven't
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: seen them design anything where it feels like we want
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: to make Kendrick Bourne a focal part of this offense.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: It feels like he's almost the third or fourth option
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: that they never really get to in a lot of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: these practices. And you know, I'm going to think of
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: anything and we'll say quick goodbye to everyone on video,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: thank you for tuning in, but stay with us. We
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: will be continuing live. But um, but that's my thought
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: on him. That's you know, it's just you see, like
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: out here, especially yesterday, it's like they want to get
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: John Smith involved, Like they're having him do a number
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: of different things like well, let's not say too much
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: when they hand the ball to a player weekend, that
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: would have been a law and order what easy. But
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: we are getting into some team drills now. Um. But
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, do you guys have any thoughts on that.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: It's just it's surprising how how just the lack of
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: involvement and seemingly the lack of um, you know, just
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: plan to get him involved. But I will say too
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: with him like not being involved yesterday because he was
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: in the locker room, we saw more of Trey Nixon,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Like Trey Nixon had a couple of catches, So I'm like,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: would that have been Kendrick Bourne's opportunity right there. I mean,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I'm getting a little concerned about Kendrick Bourne. I'm not
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: gonna lie, yeah, because he's had a little bit of
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: a weird go of it here. I'm not saying that
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: you not going to make the team or anything like that,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: but you start to think about he had that offseason
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: media availability where he kind of gave away a little
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: bit too much of the state secrets with the playbook,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: and he comes out here yesterday. He doesn't really have
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: a great training camp to start. He comes out of
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: here yesterday there was something to do with his equipment
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: or something like that that the referees were getting on him,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: and Building got on him about it, and then he
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: starts throwing punches and get gets kicked out of practice.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: It's just been a really bizarre way front of it.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: And I thought, and I thought, listen, the fight was
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: ridiculously unnecessary all around. I thought Carolina didn't let it go.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: It looked like some reports said that a coach was
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: sort of involved with yeah, with Christian Wilkinson. So I'm
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: not excusing Carolina's side of it, but I think it
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: was largely over and Kendrick Bourne like reignited it and
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: that's how he got his trip off the field. So
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that were down there were
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: saying Bill was really unhappy with the equipment thing that
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: the referee sent him off on the second play of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: eleven on eleven, Bill was really unhappy about that. You know. Again,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: it's like Damian Harris said, you know, I think TV
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: you mentioned this when you were talking about, you know,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: after practice, how excited he was. He was like, you
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: can't fight in the game, you can't fight in practice. Yeah,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty simple, and unfortunately you saw a
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: lot of guys sort of forget that yesterday. And I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: know that tempers run hot, it's not something, but how
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: many times have you seen something like that in the
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: game field where it doesn't escalate to punches being thrown
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: like that. It's a rarity to see something like would
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: happen with Indianapolis and the Patriots last year when Kyle
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Dugger was involved in one of those things. But that's
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: a rarity. You see it all the time when practice,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: when you have the joint practices. So I think these
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: guys sometimes they think they're in practice they can do
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: these things. Yeah, I mean, Paul, my question to you is,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen the Patriots Jalen Mills on DJ
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Moore again, by we start interrupting, that's a good job
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: of coverage. We've seen the Patriots in the past not
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: necessarily cut or trade a player, but phase a player
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: out of what they're doing offensively, defensively, and it have incentives.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, that's a different show if if he's not
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: if he's not doing the things that they want him
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: to do, that you know, behind the scenes in his
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: attitude and all that kind of stuff. We've seen it
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: in the past with them that you know, player that
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: you thought was going to be a big part of
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: things ends up not being as big. And I hope
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: that's not going to be the case with Kendrick Bourne.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: But it's just been a really bizarre couple of months. Yeah,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: and and I agree, I mean, it's it's probably premature
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: to suggest that, you know, we're at that point right now,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: but just something to keep an eye on if it
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: ends up being a slower season or you know, these
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: are the signs and people say, well, what did you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: see in the summer, Well, that's what we've that's what
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: we've seen in the summer. I think, you know, evan
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: sort of chronicle three or four different things that are
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: possibilities as to why we haven't seen more from Kendrick
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Bourn so far on the practice field. Any speculation what
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: the equipment thing could have been, like what what does
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: that like? Wrong socks or something look like the knee
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: path like you have to have pads in Yeah, and
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: maybe he didn't. All right, Well, we're gonna take a
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: quick break here. We've been going for a little bit.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: We'll try to catch up on what's going on in
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: the field. We got a bunch of one on ones
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: going on as Ooh, nice interception by Miles Bryan off
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: of you don't see that every day. And on one
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: on one it's been a few of the defense has
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: had the better of it, I think in this little
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: low red zone one on one work. Some of it's
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: been two man routes you know at times with the Panthers,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: but I think the defensive backs have had pretty good coverage.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: It's been a lot of incomplete passes and a lot
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: of defensive backs touching the ball first. All right, We're
• 1:10:34
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  Speaker 1: back here at Chillette Stadium watching joint practices, and we're
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: doing some kickoff work here, So probably a good time
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  Speaker 1: to maybe go to the emails a little bits as
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: they're getting ready for some more team sessions. You know,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I like your boy, Pierre Strong. Just got a chance
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  Speaker 1: to return one of those kicks. How Pierre Strong. There
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  Speaker 1: we go. Hey, guys, this one's from Jeremy Right saying, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: love the show. Do we have any if Bill has
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: replaced Ernie Adams or has has his position been phased out?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting question, guys. Not Patricia was
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: kind of that guy last year, and so we talked
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: about how does Matt Patricia divide up between offensive line
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: and it's still play caller. What's he gonna do? Yeah,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: it's still part of his title, So he's got a
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  Speaker 1: in theory he could be consulting on the offensive line,
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  Speaker 1: helping Bill out and call him the plays. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how that would that's all gonna work out.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's it's a it's an interesting concept.
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  Speaker 1: You always had Ernie and Bill's ear, kind of the
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  Speaker 1: Consolierre moments, situational. It's it's probably Ernie was was a
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  Speaker 1: unique kind of character. You don't replace Ernie Adams. No,
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  Speaker 1: I just think that what he provided. I don't. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that you just go and put a want
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  Speaker 1: ad It's you know, um savant, you know genius, like
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: you know, clock management expert personnels. You could do that, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: I really think you could do that. You I've never
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  Speaker 1: met anyone more in tune with the call out. I
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: am good at timeouts, clock managements. I am good at
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: clock management. I will say that. But I also have
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  Speaker 1: never had to do it in the heat of battles.
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  Speaker 1: I think it just so. The one guy I will mention,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Evan Rothstein, who Matt Patricia brought with him from Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: is on his staff in Detroit now. I think he
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: called plays Todny briefly when like everybody got cod Yeah,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: so he was. His title in Detroit was football research,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: which is what Ernie's title essentially was for the degree.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I look at him as more of an analytics guy. Yes,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: and what he was Ernie. It's funny because it was ernielytics,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: right Like. It wasn't what I'm saying. It wasn't find
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: a guy like that. It wasn't analytics in the sense
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: of like pro football focus, right, but he was still
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: doing the tendency that he would find by combing through
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: tape and padding plays and figuring out what teams like
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: to run. Is its own form of analytics. It's just
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: the way that Ernie and Bill did it instead of
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: what maybe didn't term like you know, win probability models
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: and fourth down decision making. What it's really become just
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: did you just come up with Ernie lytics on the
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: spot right here? Used that? That's pretty good. I would
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: have liked it better if it was organic, because I
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: have had this debate with people in the past that
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: tell me that the Patriots don't use analyts. I'm like,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: what are you talking about? They of course they do.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: They just use their own form of it. It's not
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: what we you know. I think people hear the word
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: analytics and they think of you know, Staley and the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Chargers and the fourth down probabilities and stuff like that.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: They don't necessarily do it like that. But the Malcolm
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Butler interception against the Seahawks is their form of analytics, right.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: They studied their the red zone tape and we're able
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: to come up with So that's that's what I That's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about when I when I say Ernie
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  Speaker 1: lytics is some of the things that they were able
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  Speaker 1: to be there. And I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: things that are just sort of considered analytics that are
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: just well, don't confuse analytics with scouting, right, right, Like
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Ernie Adams and I remember this is one hundred years ago.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: As always, my stories never never evolved around like the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: last five years now, because that's no fun. Like a
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: hundred years ago, Lee Johnson was the punter here, and
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: I remember he's telling us a story. He's like, you know,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: I saw him punting and practiced and this this this
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  Speaker 1: old guy with like these huge glasses on him. He's
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: just he's just watching me kick and he just keeps
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: watching me every single single kick. And I was like,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: what is this guy looking at? What does he do?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: That's what Ernie Adams did. He's watching for tendencies, you know,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: where does the ball go? How does it come off
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: his foot? What does this spin like? Is it tough
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: to catch? I think that's one of the reasons why
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Bill liked to have left footed punters. They felt like
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: it was a little bit more difficult from returners to
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: handle because it wasn't a spin that they you know,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: they field it as often. So little things like that. Yeah,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: that's analytics, but it's it's scouting. It's just and I
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: don't think you can necessarily find that out a spreadsheet.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: It's it's something that you sort of discerned watching and
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: through experience. Yep. Oh, well, we'll continuing to work on
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: kickoffs here. I don't know where this barbecue chokes set up,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: but I can sure smell it. And uh, that's making
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: me very very I thought I saw something coming in
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: over here when you guys were down hyping up the crowd.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Oh oh yes, yeah, yeah, whipping them up into a lather,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: you know, and and maybe this is a good time. Wait, Mike,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: I was literally about to say, what's worse the barbecue
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: that you're smelling or the duncan that's down at the
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: media time. Now you're open. I was just gonna say,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's the perfect time. Thank you to our
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: friends from Duncan today they provided us with numerous donuts. Uh.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: And it's it's the forever New England donut. It's right
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: back out, just in time for the Patriots season. And
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: it's it's a classic. It's the vinyla frosted with sprinkles. Guys.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: I I think this is an excellent donut. And uh,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: maybe we could do a taste test a little bit later.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I think if you want excellent donut, good first step,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: you know, lateral lateral quickness, it's gonna have a good
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: forty time right through my system. And now big By
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Brendon's schooler take him the schooler. Oh yeah, that's like Gillan.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: It's gonna start some the Brendon school or hit on
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: the on the kick returner was was a good good
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: shoulder pop by schooler. Yeah. I think there was an
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: overreaction of the Patriot's sideline down here to a block
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: over here. I didn't think that there was anybody upset
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: on the block that was downfield. Yeah, but this is
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: where like, this is what I was talking about in
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: in West Virginia a couple of years ago. This is
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: the stuff that elicited the scrums. The country roads take
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: you home. Oh yeah, that's right, Samary got it. We
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: all got it. We just ignored it. What are we
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: doing special teams all the time here? Let's go on
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: your own time. People. Well I just did have a
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: bite of the Nona. Guys. It was excellent, as you
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: would expect all Duncan donuts to be sprinkles, are just
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: frosting sprinkles. However, one of them does have a hole
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: in the middle. The other is more shaped like a jelly,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: but there's nothing in the middle of it, so you're
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: getting some extra bonus to the middle. Oh, somebody's somebody's
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: knocked out. Oh gosh, someone's down, somebody down hard. What
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: happened there? Why? I don't understand why the Patriots is
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: coming over. Somebody's hurt. Yeah. I wonder if if joint
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: practices will be looked at differently. This is like every
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: play there's there's like jarring back and forth. I didn't
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: see who the Patriot player was, but I saw the hit,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: and my guesses, well, there's no flag like they've been
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: throwing flags left and right. Yeah, so I don't know
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: if it was blind side hit or something. Was it
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: a blind Yeah, I have no idea. I didn't see it. Yeah,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: it looked it looked to me like it was a
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: blind side hit, but it wasn't, you know, an illegal
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: blindside hit, if that makes sense. I just don't think
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: the player that is down was was really looking in
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: that direction and he got popped. Obviously hard to tell.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Cam a quarters in the middle of it, kind of
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: making sure cooler heads prevailed. Matt rule over there as well. Uh,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Patriots players making their way back to the sideline. But
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: I'd tell Kendrick Bourne to get out of there after yesterday. Uh, well,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: we'll let you know who it was. Unfortunately, it looks
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: like he has he's conscious. This is like, yeah, one
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: leg is up. That leg wasn't up before. Yeah. I
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: thought they got him over on his back. That's a
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: good sign. I mean, it's uh, you don't want to speculate.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: I came to it late. I just saw him lying
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: on the ground. It looked like knocked out. I saw
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: him on the ground. He did like he looked like
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: he was he was out, like he wasn't really wasn't
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: moving much. His legs are moving now up and down. Um,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: his panthers team's chippy. Uh, no question, there's been a
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of might be cheap. I don't
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to comment. I didn't see
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: the hit, but I just want to step away from
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: like this is all the Panthers. That's what I read yesterday,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Like somehow this was all the pit like there was
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of there was a lot of feistiness on
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: the old yesterday and you had Schooler. I mean, I
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: mean this is connected to what happened with Schooler a
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: couple of days ago. Yeah, he just mean he just
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: popped the returner And I didn't have any problem with
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: they hit the Schooler had. By the way, I think
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: that was very similar to what the defensive backs with
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: the Panthers were doing yesterday. Shoulder. It wasn't like this
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: big kill shot. It was just a shoulder. Yeah, it
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: looks like their play and think he's sitting up now.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I still can't figure out who it is, but they're
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: getting started now on some team team play with the
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Panthers working in the high red zone against the Patriots
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: starting defense. Alright, it looks like they're going to get
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: him up to his feet. We'll figure out who this is.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: And McCaffrey would not have gotten much. And now we
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: got now this is this is, this is done. They're
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: not going to be able to continue this practice. Every
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: single play there's something going on going right into the
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: fans section here. This is this is this is this
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: is ugly. I mean, you gotta call it like it is.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: This is ugly. Can you guys get a number down here? Yeah,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: it was Wilkerson. Wilkerson was the one down who again
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: was involved yesterday in the same scrum. And we've got
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of the team over near the fans. This
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: was a like it looked like just a stretch, a
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: stretch inside handoff to McCaffrey, f R. Yeah, and Adrian
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Phillips maybe go to yard or two. At this point,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: everyone just suicide and really we don't want to pray.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, everybody, uh, everybody was over
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: on the sideline, on the Panthers and the Patriots and
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: like like literally this is ridiculous. This you know, eighty
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know eighty out of the eighty four guys
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: in the Patriots uniform, we're over there. I mean, I
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: just every play is is followed by an extended scrum
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: so piculous. Bill Belichick Matt Rule together. Looks like they're
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: hashing out whatever's going to happen next, but getting to
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: the point where it's counterproductive. Yeah yeah, I mean, and
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: and and we should say. I mean, Wilkerson walked off
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: under his own power. He's now, you know, sitting down
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: in a in a golf card. Looks like they're gonna
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: probably take him to the training room. But good sign
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: that he was able to step up and walk out.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just my speculation from what I
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: saw it, just it seemed like he got knocked out
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: and he looked like he looked like he was It
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, something with a head injury. So a
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: little context on what happened on the return. Kenny Robinson,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: the player that Wilkerson got it into yesterday, is the
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: one that cleaned out Wilkerson on the return on the
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: play that Wilkerson got knocked out on. So Kenny Robinson
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: must have taken the number and came back today and
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: had something else to say. Yep, Well that was the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: guy that Wilkerson punched yesterday. That was the guy that
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Kendrick punched. Okay, so we're having the teams now, are
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: gathering along the right field separately. Um, but I don't
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: know what else needs to be said that that probably
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: hadn't been said yesterday or prior to this practice. Today.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: It's also extending the practice, which is not an ideal.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: I don't mean to uh, Dietrich. Wise looks like he's
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: being sent sent back to the showers. Which on the
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: on the hit um on the hit on Wilkerson. No,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: actually it was the on the play before that where
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Schooler knocked over the the return man for the Panthers.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Wise was the first one for the Patriots to go
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: all the way across the field yelling at the Panthers sideline.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: So he's been really hot for the last ten minutes
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: or so, and it doesn't surprise me that he was
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: involved on that sideline. This is I don't know how
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: you can get anything done. I mean, in all honesty,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not one of these guys that all
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: the violence, you know, offends me. Like it's football, But
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: you're trying to get some practice work in and I
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: don't see how you can get any work done if
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have a fight after every play. And that
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: was Damien. Damien's point when I talked to him after practice.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: He was like, I'm came out here to play football,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: came out here to get better, and I can't do
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: that when this is what's happening on the field. Yeah,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that. It's just like how we're
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: supposed to see where we're at if we can't even
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: do anything because you guys are fighting that fight that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: just happened that now that they are huddling and trying
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: to get control of things, that was just like, yes,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: I mean that was the same general size as yesterday
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: with both teams running over and yeah, it's just at
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: some point, you know, either you got to call it
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: or you gotta agree that enough is enough that we're
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: not going to do this anymore. And it looks like
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: they're gonna try to get back to try to get
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: back to the team period that had just started. I
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: don't even think the Patriots offense had run a play yet. No,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: I think there was one play that the Panthers offense
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: ran and yeah, they're trying to move loose. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: mister Kraft down there too in the middle of it. Kraft,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: we don't protect the franchise. Yeah, we don't need mister
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Kraft in harm's way. You try not to someone's got
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: to sign a check. You try not to solely blame
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Carolina though, like this is obviously it takes two to tang. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: And and maybe Caroline has been the instigator. Yeah, but
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: this has been enough where both teams have been heavily involved. Yeah.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: I would I would hope that, you know, obviously you
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: have people who are instigators on Twitter, but um, I
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: would hope that the rumors weren't true of the Panthers
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: coming out here and trying to seek air quote revenge
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: from what happened in the game last year. Like that's so, Penny,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: what happened in the game with Mac? And I think,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: all right, it looks like we're going here and Mac
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: Jones is uh going a little eleven on eleven, coming
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: right towards the twenty five yard line. Patriots offense. J
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: Smith's nice little drag route on Jeremy Chin. Jeremy Chin,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: good player, Nice play by Johnny who continues to be
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: you know, involved, featured however you want to put it.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: Let's see what the defense does on the other side.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield is in a quarterback for the Panthers, and
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: he's got a check down wide open. I'd like to
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: have a guy a little closer in that. Yeah, that's
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: not ideal, but both teams are working from about the
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: twenty yard line on the two fields coming in towards
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: the end zone. Got Agalore out there with Parker Mac
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: a little signal it was outside receiver, which makes me
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: think it's going to be a toss up, and it
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: is to Agalore. Oh, nice catch. I think they probably
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: would have given it to him. He punched it out
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit late. They gave the touchdown to him.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Those slot fades, though, you want to see more of those, right, Like,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: those are the plays. I was watching a great Nick
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: Saban breakdown on Twitter the other day about this about
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: how you know the horizontal space that you have to
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: drop the ball in there versus throwing a fade from
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: a receiver on the sideline. Alabama loves those plays, and
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what Mac Jones feasted on at Alabama was throwing,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: you know, giving the receiver kind of laying it out
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: there for him and letting him go and get into football.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: And we've seen a lot of that so far in
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: training camp, and I hope that's now going to be
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: a featured part of this offense. All Matt going again
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: here coming towards us. It's just a little handoff inside
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: and you have a little bit of space there for
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Damien Harris. He's able to u plug out a few yards.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: Not not not the worst run play I've seen over
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: the last it was probably three weeks. Yeah, it's probably
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: the best. And now we got the defensive side of
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: the ball going with Baker Mayfield still and Christian McCaffrey
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: next to him, a lot of the top defensive guys
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots in there. They're going every other for us,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: which is very Yeah, just like yesterday was very always
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: tossing it up. Yeah, that was a wing and a prayer.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Good job by Dugger though he's got googe good coverage.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Looked like Judean was in his face again. Yeah, he
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: just kind of had to lob it up over. It
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: didn't seem like he could really get a good look
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: at the play. Was not on the same page, all right,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: Matt under center. Now back on the other side. Another
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: handoff inside is Stevenson and not much there. That's Matt Ianidis,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: who's a big boy in the middle there. Formerly a
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Washington and inside a cold strange. The under center running
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: game just is still not going anywhere. But then and
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: they you know the shotgun run that they ran a
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: couple of plays ago that actually was successful. So still
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: with the spread stuff still looks good, and the under
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: center stuff still does not. You really wonder especially we
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: haven't seen really any of the goal line stuff they
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: they gotta have at moments, like, you know, where where
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: are the Patriots at with that? It's just it doesn't
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: seem like they got a lot of options to go
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: heavy right now, especially with their short on tackles. They
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: don't have a fullback anymore, they don't really have a
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: true blocking tight end. But you know, just what, what
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: are those short yardage gotta have it moments gonna look
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: like as as Max scrambles uptime touchdown? Touchdown now broken play.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: So nice play on the defensive field by Jonathan Jones
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: on DJ Moore and I come background and Jones broke
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: on and was able to get a hand in there
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: and break the pass up. He's actually had some really
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: good moments in coverage against DJ Moore on the outside.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: So now we got a little Jack Jones here, Gotta
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: run left by trip trip tripped over sixty sixty three,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: looked like June and put sixty three in the backfield
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: and got him to trip up his own guy. So
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: safe to say Judeon's is really kind of coming on lately.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: I mean not to say that that he didn't have
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: a good start to camp, but I mean, I just
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: I think he continues. He's another guy on defense. It
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: just continues to make plays. The pressure has been more
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: prevalent than yesterday so far on Mac Jones. Yeah, he
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: had to get through it pretty quick there. Those are
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: the nice plays though from him, from those muddy pockets
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: that you like to see him get to that check down,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: hanging in there a little bit and just keep the
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: play alive. Kind of what you liked about him last year.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: I felt like it's just he never he didn't look
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: like oh boy, all around me all right, defense going look,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: got a little bit of a sub package in there
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: far more so, a pretty good set for the h
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the offense. Yeah, there was six plays, a little mixed bag,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: but it started off with a couple of really nice
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: plays to Smith and Agalore May Phil putting it up
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: for I don't know if he has sex places now
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: he's out of bounds, but throw up the seam to
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: DJ Moore went up and U and many to grab
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: it despite having two defenders right close to him, but
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: he couldn't get the second foot down. So nice stop
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: there for the Patriots defense. Defense. Defense has been strong again,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: I would say on the other side over there offensively
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: though you've mentioned Paul the crosser to Johnny, then he
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: got the fade ball to Agla. I mean, at least
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: they're they're pushing the ball down the field like these
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: are not a little dump off ump off to the
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: running back. Yeah, running backs and fairness. I will say
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: the ensuing four plays after that probably not as productive
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: as they would like. But I like to start. I
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: like to start from Mac Jones and the offense. They
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: were all rare, a rare blitz by the Panthers, and
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: uh definitely got home. You can't connect with Kendrick Bourne
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: in the back corner on the end zone. That's my boy,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: our boy, Duke Dawson coming on that Duke. That's definitely
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: something you want to see more of today. I would
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: say the Panthers defense, which is very cool. Great play. Wow,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: that was a twenty five to call the Panthers quarterbacks
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: inaccurate would be it would be a disgrace to inaccurate
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: quarterback everywhere. So that was that was Marcus Jones right there.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Great play on the ball. Looked like they had a
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: reception at about the three yard line, but Marcus Jones
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: closed the space quick out his hand in and uh
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: and ripped the ball out to force the incompletion. Nice
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: nice play by the rookie that I think that ended
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: up maybe being an interception. Did he get out he
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: did have it if he was out, Yeah, he picked
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: it off. Yeah, he's been very very The receiver is
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: wide open and he's throwing it way to the inside,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: like for some unknown reason, this is the same stuff
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: we saw from them yesterday. They're gonna struggle. The Panthers
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: are gonna struggle because their quarterbacks can't throw it where
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: they need to throw it to be fair, though Baker
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Mayfield got here a week before training camp. Yeah, but
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: he's just throwing passes and that was Darnold anyway. But
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: like they're just throwing passes to guys and they can't
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: throw it to where they need to throw it. Can
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: we give Marcus Jones? They stick I would say one
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: he got here week, Kendrick coming off injury, all the things.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: Still trying to find chemistry, rhythm like the Patriot's Office,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: all right, continuing to work here through uh some of
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: the second groups. I would say Brian Hoyer continues to
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: work with Kendrick Bourne, Taekwon Thornton and little Jordan Humphrey
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: with the second group. Uh, you know, maybe a little
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: bit of note that that little Jordan's getting a little
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: bit of a pump there not seeing you know, Trey
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Nixon in that role was another bad play over there
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: on the guys are just like standing there five yards
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: and eight eight yards to the left and to the right.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Can we just give Marcus Jones a little bit of
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: credit for that player though? That one? No, not that one.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: The interception though, because he's got Stephen Sullivan. He's six
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: foot five. Marcus Jones is okay, and it was a
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: good play. Though he's got a It's a matchup that
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: is not favorable for Marcus Jones. He's in the condensed split,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: he gets take the tight end out in the flat Jones,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: but he threw the ball. He plays a lot bigger
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: than he's listed. All right, let me put it to
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: you that way. He's a guy that I like. You
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: don't have to Marcus Jones. I like Marcus Jones. I
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: think he's had an excellent camp. That's all I needed
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: to hear. I think he's he's an athlete, unlike most
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: of the Patriots. He's a good athlete. Yeah, so I
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: like him. He reminds me of like most of the Patriots.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: I think. I think Bill Belichick told you what he
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: thought about the team's athleticism with his draft. Yeah, I
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: think Marcus Jones kind of reminds me of a guy
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: like Time Montgomery who can do a lot of things. So, um,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to see like how the team uses
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: him well. And you're seeing uh, you know, Sean Wade
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: and Justin Bethel getting you know, some snaps over there
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: at the cornerback group. As you mentioned, a little bit
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: thin with uh with those two guys landing on I
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: R yesterday. It's a training camp problem. Where where is uh?
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Oh here comes a friend? Oh oh, boss man is
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: boss Man in the house? Did you settle? Did you
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: settle the players down? And we got more fights going
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: on for this is not good at such a good
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: Jordan Jordan the boss man weighing in with wondering if
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: practices ask for you? Yeah, all email, yeah that email
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: if your fans are were your fans were clamoring. You
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: just see the threat though that Tai Kwon is when
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: he's on the field, because he's running that route on
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: the boundary in that corner has the deep third and
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: he's just got to stay there because you know he
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: can go right past him. He's got to respected. Little
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Jordan comes and crosses out from the other side and
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: he's able to catch the ball. The linebackers like, where's
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: my help? The help is over on Tai Kwon because
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Tai Kwon is taking the top off. Those are the
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: things we're talking about it earlier. Taikwon's role, It's like,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: how do you take him off the field, Like when
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: he can have that type of impact on every single
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: single play even if he's not catching the football. Yep.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: So I would say largely a continuation of yesterday. I
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: think the Patriots have been better and both both sides,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: um you know, not dominant, but better than than Carolina.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: Panda has been able to run the ball little bit better.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: Patriots runs there some of the some of it's against
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: the battle defensive line. When Gotcha's out there, they can't
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: run the ball. Yeah, he's He's just been a monster
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots all camps like switch. We're going to
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: seven on seven, So we got mac Jones coming towards us,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: Parker Agalore Myers, Johnny Smith and mondra Stevenson in the backfield.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen jac Horn out here for the Panthers.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: I know they limited him all right, we'll check down
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: to Ramond check down and say, I think um during
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: Worlds press conference yesterday between twenty and twenty five reps
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: from Yeah, so he hasn't been I haven't really seen
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: eight out here at all, So they might be keeping
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: him out completely. And with the chippiness too, it might
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: not be a bad idea. Yeah, he got two on
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: two drills, which I love watching for the lineman get
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: those stunts and get to have to pass things off
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: and oh Mycaffrey wide open. Steve tries to go into
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: the end zone and I think he was out of touch.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: I got a touchdown on that one. Not that it's
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: a surpriser, really a slight on any Patriot linebacker, but
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: none of these linebackers can cover Christian McCaffrey. I actually
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: think that one was a coverage breakdown. I didn't think
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: anybody was on them. Yeah, not much there for Mac
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: and that's seven on seven. Rep just kind of held
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: it for a while. And I'm not a big fan
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: of the saxon seven on seven yea. Although I did
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: elicit my moment of training camp when someone on Twitter
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: said that he does a great job of avoiding the
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: pressure in seven on seven and getting the ball off,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: I forget who said it. I would love to ridicule
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: the person, but I can't remember where I who wrote that.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: Cole Strange just whipped on that one. Brian Burn has
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: been a problem. Yeah, he just went right by him,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: not doing little stunt work. As Evan said, alright, seven
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: on sevens continuing here Farfields's got the lines and oh
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: nice and nice throw by Mac as he raises his
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: arms with Jacobe Meyers, who you know, continues to just
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: be consistent, you know, catches what's thrown his way, finds
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: the holes in the middle of the defense. So if
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: you have me really looking at Born a lot closer,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: and I think you have something because it's almost always
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Aggalore Myers and Parker. I'll say this when he comes
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: to things like yesterday with the fighting. I don't want
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: to speak for him, obviously he's but Bill seems to
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: be able to get over stuff like that. Yeah. When
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: you go in the media and you start talking about
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: the playbook and you start talking about the calls and
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: the offense and the system changing before everybody else, that
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: perks the ears up. And I remember when that came
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: out earlier this summer and I was like, that probably
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't the best thing to do. No, he's not gotten
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: as many opportunities with those guys as as the other three.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: It's been Parker, Aggalore and and it seems like Thornton's
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: been kind of gets a little bit, he gets mixed in.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: Now he's more understandable as a rookie. You would think
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: Born would be a more I think, Paul, you might
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: have your new answer for surprise cut. Yeah, I don't
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: think that's gonna I don't know if that's why I
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: would be a surprise us. Do you think that would
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: be a surprise? And I just think that Kendrick we
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: see more of him in games than we do in practice, Like, yeah,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: it's definitely fair. Yeah, No, and I think, I mean,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I wasn't really that impressed with him last year in
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: training camp, and I think he you know, slowly came
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: on and I wasn't all that impressed with him during
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: the season. It's other than a couple of select games.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: He had a great game against Dallas. I mean, didn't
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: that Dallas catch like, blow you away. I didn't expect
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: that at all. When when he like, I mean, maybe
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: that was more a situation to see. I think it
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: was he had a great game. I think with him,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: the thing that the ball carrying skills and the explosiveness
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands was not an element
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: of a game his game. I thought that he had
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: and his in his bag. Oh guy just fell down
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: for the Pitcho's yeah, jets sweet, you know, adding the
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: ball off to him. A nice catch by Jacobe one
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: handed on Jeremy Chin. Yeah, those are the things that
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: Kendrick that I really didn't think that he had in
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: his toolbox. And then you know Josh McDaniels saying when
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: he has the ball, it's a different energy, it's a
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: different level of speed that he runs with it compared
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: to the other guys. Things like that, I just looking
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: at him at San Francisco. I always thought of him
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: as like a Mohamed Sanu, like a nice technician guy
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: that could get open. But it wasn't really special than that.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree. I didn't think he was as
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: explosive as he looked at times. But I was wondering,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: is that because of what we're looking at overall? Does
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: he look like more explosive comparatively? Yeah? I mean certainly
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: now that we see Tai Kwon every day, right, so
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: now you know, so here's a good example with Taekwon
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: subbing in for Parker, and you know it's still kind
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: of the top receiving groups. Nice play knocked away by
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: I think Jonathan Jones. Yeah, good coverage on eighty four Yeah,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: and Stephan Sullivan good, good play by Jonathan Jones. Yeah.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: Nice nice play down here to uh Mac was trying
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: to hit Taekwon Thornton on the in cut and a
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: nice job by the Panthers dB stick with him, stayed
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: in this hip and prevented the completion. I know, Paul,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: is I missed that one? Who was that last players
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: say was intended for Thornton? It was incomplete. I know
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: Paul has been tough on on the Panthers quarterbacks, and
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: rightfully so. But this is a good group of skill
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: players that Caroline has. I think Dj Moore and Robbie
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Anderson and I mean there, I think it is somewhat overrated,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: but but Dj Moore is not. Um Yeah, and I
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: think the Patriots secondary is is really put put the
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: clamps on. I agree. Baker Mayfield back to pass, woof,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: it's another actuate throw. I don't know who that was too.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: I won't say anything, but the ball, I'll hit the
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: ground about eight yards away from its intender receiver. It
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: was like one of those ones where like it was
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: almost intentional grounding because the ball went so far beyond
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: the receiver. Gilbert threw him so badly. Well, I guess
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: there was somebody in the but using your eyes are
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: just using the force. You got to feel it. Uh
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: A mac back to pass again on seven on sevens
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: is going to the ooh that was dangerous. Yeah, I
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: went for aglord Justin Burris looked like he had a
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: chance to make a play on that didn't quite connect.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: We'd go Baker Mayfield. Experience continues and to check down
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: and Mack Wilson mack Wilson ran so fast by that
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: guy he just fell down. But those are the types
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: of players from mac Wilson's he continued to stand out.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: It's like he's just there faster than the guys that
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: they've had in those spots in the past couple of years.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: He closes in a hurry. Now let's hope that he
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: can tackle because he's getting there fast. But he's got
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: to get the guy to the ground in games. But
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: you get a little Bailey z happy. Yeah, first we've
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: seen to him against the Panthers. So here you go.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: It's now you got Nixon and Borne Jordan the backstory
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: on how you why you say Panthers the way you
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: do Panthers? Me, that's that's just a Boston accent. That
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: was that was my old exaggerated Boston the Panthers. That's
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: a perfect throw by Bailey's appouldn't I wouldn't normally say oh.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, um, did I miss something? No, no, no, no.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: I love the Panthers because that's what Holliston was growing up.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: And when I was a freshman hockey player, I just
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: sat on the bench and watched the cheerleaders doing the
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Holliston Panthers. You know, they have the whole team, but
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: it was always Panthers for me. All right, what do
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: we got? Bailey's Zappy just dotted one to Trey Nixon
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: up to see him. Was really impressive throw. He saw
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: the safety coming over and like back shouldered it to
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: him almost to keep it away from the safety. Really. Yeah,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: every once in a while he's got some of that
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: that intermediate levels seem ball zip that you see from
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: him is really impressive. It seems like you really see
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: him put his body into it sometimes too, Like there's
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: just sometimes he winds up with a fastball or puts
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: everything he's got into it. The Ryan Fitzpatrick, Yeah, exactly.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: That's a great comp right there. Ryan Fitzpatrick is not
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: a bad comp in general. No, just no beard he needs.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think Bailey Zappie's getting to that beard for
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: another twenty years. Sean Wade over on I think Wood,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: Paul and Fred are on the same page for the
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: Panthers QBIS from Yeah, Fred's grimacing. I do you think
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: is Sean Wade because he's one of those guys and this,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: you know the story. Ohio stayed much really good player,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: five star recruit and he gets hurt, kind of tails
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: off at the end. It os you get burned by
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: DeVante Smith a bunch in the National Championship game. But
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: he's got some talent. I know you weren't crazy about
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: him in the preseason game. Like everybody, I've seen plays
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: here and there. I think he's been a little up
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: and down. I think we ignore the plays that aren't
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: necessarily as good. I think sometimes it's a quick hitter.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: I think Wade had Um back to back, like pass breakups.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: I think towards the end of practice yesterday, Yes, two
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: good plays, Yeah, two really good plays. And what I
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: think when I enjoyed most. Obviously the plays are big,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: but seeing Jalen Mills just gets so excited for him
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: on the sideline. I thought, like, you know, he could
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: really see that he's starting to come around. I think
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: obviously in the game he had his moments, but I
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: think here in practice we've seen a lot more out
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: of him. Yeah. I mean we talk about this a
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: lot with the Patriots, guys like Cameron mcgron, even like
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Lebryan Ray, just players that were highly touted had some
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: injuries in college or some tough times in college. But
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: like in an alternate universe, Sean Wade is like a
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: top fifty pick in the draft, but he ends up
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: falling because of circumstances, and you know, you never know
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: what those guys. Well, he had a bad year the
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: last year and no, I forget now did he move
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: to slot? No, so he moved and he was playing
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: on a bad foot, which was part of it. But
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: like I said, when he went up against Bama with
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Justin Fields and that Ohio State team in the National
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: Championship game, DeVante Smith worked him pretty good in that
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: game and that was his stock after that. I'll tell
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: you that's the biggest reason why I'm not overly excited,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: because I think Baltimore was one of a handful of
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: teams in the league that does a really good job
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: with personnel. Yeah, something value and when you cut, you
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: know you cut ties with a draft pick. I think
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: there's a reason for that. And that's a team that
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: had um some significant depth issues in the secondary. What's
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: with that's siren? Do you think that's a pan? That's
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: what the Panthers used for a horn? They keep hearing
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: that that weird kind of siren. How to be Yeah,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: I think so. By the way, I gotta just comment
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: again the barbecue smell. It's just it is that barbecue
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: for us, A round a barbecue round the wings. Actually,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: I will say, Mike, that sound might work for me
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: for my law and order if we want. There's only
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: one lawn order sound. That one like a police siren
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: almost a little little bit. It's just a gold mine
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: of law and order sound effects for putting down. All right,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: I think now we're talking some special teams, special teams.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: Whenever you see do you see twenty two guys go
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: to the middle of failure? Here we go. Wait a minute,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: there's Jake Billy. All right, all right, we gotta work
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: on the punt. We got punters of people. We we
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: gotta at least another team period. Almost ready for another
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: bite of my down, probably another two minute two at
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: the end. Freddy needs the binocs finals. What does the
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: keen I spy's checking the fans? So yeah, not quite
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: as as as mad packed as as yesterday was. They
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: did open the ramps today, but um but but definitely
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: a good turn out here for the last day. And
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: if you didn't make it, shame on you. It's a
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: great time it's free, it's uh something for the kids,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: autographs everything. Dad, Well, it turned out to be a
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: great day. As Paul keeps talking about getting my sound,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: I love it. Bailey, does it seem like the Patriots
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: are really having a hard time getting punts off without
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: getting that one looked close to me the potential to
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: ye too. Yep, that's why maybe you asked yourself, is uh,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: you know, is it Cody Davis secure in that spot?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: Is it? You know? Is he the problem? Is it?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know last year was Jacob got got
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: a big blank on one of those. I'm not gonna
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: pretend to be an expert on this, but I have
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: spoken to people that are experts on these things, like
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Matt Chaddam who played in that position, and I'll be good. Yeah,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: and uh, they's not to call out Chatham, but a
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: lot of the interior blocking seem to be the biggest
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: problem and nothing to do with the protector or anything
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: like that. There you go, now that one was more conventional. Yeah.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: The Brandon Schooler getting reps here, yeah, is interesting because
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: most of the other guys that are repping to Marcus
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: Mitchell too in this group. But yeah, Schooler de Marcus Mitchell.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: Those are maybe two surprises, but a lot of these
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: other guys you would think, you know, are probably gonna
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: be on the team. Josh Bledsoe, Ronnie Perkins. You know,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: these are the guys that are on this unit. And
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: you have a couple of undrafted rookies who have been
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: doing a lot of specifically tailored special teams work with
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: the veterans in Mitchell and Schooler. Well, guys, we're probably
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: ten it up here for some eleven on elevens coming up. So,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: Matt Moreau, why don't we why don't we take a
• 1:52:04
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  Speaker 1: practices with the Carolina Panthers. This is Patriots unfiltered, all right,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back. We are here getting ready. It looks like
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: they're putting the ball on the twelve yard line and
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get some eleven on eleven action
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: after a little punt work, so we'll see hopefully the
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: tempers flaring is behind us and get some good work.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: It looks like the Patriots are going to be on defense. First,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of red zone work today, it seems, yeah,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: which which you know, it tends to be a theme
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: in camp. I just feel like as I watch more
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: and more training camp practices, it just seems like the
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  Speaker 1: the importance of the red zone. It's hardest down there,
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  Speaker 1: there's tight windows, it's where you got to score. It's
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: just a critical part of the game, and they always
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: seem to really hit it hard. So all right, getting
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: ready here, Baker Bayfield back under center and we'll see
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: what they got. Look like that might have been all sides.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: Mayfield scanning the field, finds McCaffrey in the middle, a
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: little checkdown and god, that might have been six McCay.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: They lost McCaffrey again on like a mesh thing crosser, crosser,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: and then McCaffrey just sat down in the middle of it. Yeah,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: he's a he's a weapon, that's for sure. Do a
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: little everything. One thing I will note um when talking
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: to kristin their team reporter, she mentioned, like, you know,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: she really wanted to see like who else they had
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: on offense besides McCaffrey and obviously DJ Moore. She said
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: that's kind of been the highlight of camp. Like, especially
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: with McCaffrey being out so often last year, it's like,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: you know, who do they really have out? I thought
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: you had a couple of nice runs yesterday? Yeah? Did
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: he get kicked out of practice today? Who? I don't
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: know who that DJ Moore? J Moore? Not in Jonathan Jones. Yeah,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: beating Jonathan Jones back in the end zone, back in crosser.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: There's some pressure in Baker's face on that one. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: he actually did a good job of standing in on
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: that one, and that was probably the best thrives them
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: making two days. I would agree, I would agree, see
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: you you're coming around on my way. That was a
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• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: training camp. Uh. A few substitutions through the Patriots defense,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: got josh Uja in there, our friend Lebrian Ray who uh,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm interesting to see Lebrin Reagan. Yeah, he
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: continuing to to flirt with the with the top group.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: I think they're trying to figure out what they got
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: there is a kind of a hand down defensive end.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: Is I think what we've got him? Ask? Yeah, it's
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: this little sub package situation. Yeah, dugger in the box
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: and accordy up close and interesting little change in the
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: coverage there. Oh oh oh, and now I have to
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: be fair of him. I can't put I can't put
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: that one on Mayfield. He just hits twelve in the face.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: He wasn't ready for the past, kind of jumped up
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: and almost a Patriots could have gotten an interception there
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: for a second Shy Smith was opened the ball hit
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: him Like, I mean that that throw was accurate. Yeah,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: can't as uh as just Zelle would say, you can't
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: throw it, he catch it. I thought. I thought it
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: was a little interesting shift too that they did, where
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: you know, they dropped Miles Bryant in the slot all
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: of a sudden into off coverage and then they moved
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones on the other side down into man. So,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you know, you see that the
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: prestap stuff that the Patriots d messing with formation, and
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: you know after the quarterback hikes the ball, they don't
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: know what they're gonna get. This might have been the
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: three best players the Panthers are running, you know, you know,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: in consecutively. Yeah, top group back in here, gotcha in
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: the middle, guy, Sure, It's like, yeah, Henry Anderson. Yeah,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: Henry Anderson. Now that's what getting getting yanked out of practice.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: So Henry Anderson continues to be the top option behind them.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: But again you sell Lebranan Ray and that's it's always
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: interesting when you get some of those young guys. I
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: think that's like the point to you know, Sean Wade,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: Jack Jones, these young cornerbacks. It's such a long term
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: need for the team and for you know, even if
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: Sean Wade isn't setting the world on fire, if he's
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: just good, it might, you know, it really might be
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: worth keeping him around, developing him. It's it's a position
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: where they've had a lot of turn over the last
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: couple of years. Mayfield play action. That's a pretty good
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: little throw. Wow, found eighty four Kyle Duck Scambridge. This
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: is what happens when I get really opinionated the opposite.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: The Patriots were dominating until they weren't dominating. Those are
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: that stuff that they're running now at Baker. That's a
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: lot of Cleveland stuff. That's yeah. Stephen Sullivan, it's Stephen.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: You might want to look at the depth chart, Stephen, Stephen, Alright,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: they're down about the three yard line now, Carolina. Actually
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: it's Stefan. It is it's Stefan. I'm looking at the
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: hottest new club in Carolina. A little handoff up the
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: medal to McCaffrey and he scampers in from the four
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: yard line. John a little to the play again, Jarwing.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: I think that that's a good. That's a good. You know,
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: cooler heads prevailing, Bill Belichick, Steve Belichick to Rob Mayo
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: standing over there. Yeah, not the not a panic button situation.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: But the run defense today has not been as good
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: as it was yesterday. The Panthers have have broken off
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: some runs, and you know McCaffrey's gonna eventually find some
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: space and make some plays what he does. Yeah, that
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: one looked like he probably would have scored it in.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: All right, they're going again, goal line again from the
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: about three yard line. I gotta think Jewble Hubbard in
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: there now. Good coverage. Yeah, they've been all over those
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: boot plays not today. There you go. Nice job, guys,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: and uh, all right, looks like we're gonna get some
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: Sam Donald action now. So it's really okay if they
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: if they don't want to do that, Patriots first team
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: offense will have to wait. Um Mike, that was not Hubbard.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: Hubbard is gone. Um so you got tossed? Yes, that
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: was Deonta Foreman. Yeah, okay, we know him him. Yeah,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: hub im sure, there's a lot of fantasy people out there.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: What about last scene running for about two hundred yards
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: against the page here? Yeah? Was that Houston, Tennessee, Tennessee?
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: Oh right, yep, get my Foreman's mixed up? It was better. Yeah,
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think that was Again, you're gonna get a hold. Yeah,
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think that play was
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: going anywhere. Call is another one who just you know
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: Pops from time to time. Yeah, when they let him
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: get vertical, when they let him just get up the
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: field and shoot gaps and rush the passer, he's a
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: really effective player. It's funny how many players have that,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: you know, when they let him, when they let him
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: do what he's good at. You, yeah, don't don't. Don't
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: ask him to two gaping hole and you'll build a
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: wall and they make him just stand there. I don't
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: wondry about technique in any way, shape or for him. So, yeah,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: this continues to be a little bit of I'm gonna
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: call it the second team there's a smattering of starters,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: but you're getting Mac Wilson, Gilanni Tavai, who somehow I
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: avoided a major injury last week. I don't know how.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: He's just right back in there. Seems fine, but good
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: for him. A little screen and foreman can't hold on
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: to it. That falls for nothing. I'm yelling at my son.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: What is he saying? He thinks Baker he wants to
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: draft Baker Mayfield and fantasy or try to talk him
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: out of it. Hey, you're making fun of the fantasy
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: guys this time of year. I don't drive the most
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: clicks to our website, probably than any other group. I'll
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: say this. I'll say this to you, probably for the
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: first time. You're saying it to Mike for about the
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: three thousand and nine. Don't confuse clicks with good kind
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: those those two things are not the same. This is
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: a tough team though, for the I mean the Patriots
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: and Evan you said everything like they got great two
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: to five. I mean, you know any you're rolling the
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: dice with any Patriots player. I feel like this season
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: Blitz got it up. Good job. There's a flag thrown
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: on La a game rough in the pass and then
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: that was Terence Mitchell came up on the eighty five.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: That's nice. Nice stuff. Kind of held us ground too, like,
• 2:05:14
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• 2:05:17
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• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: I noticed today fight Hearty's the best somehow he's he
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: does what it was it called djaying? What is that?
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: You play like music and talk about it? Oh wow?
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: See another one from your plays with the boots. Just
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: they got a well covered boots. You don't want to
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: cut the field in half against the Patriots secondary, it
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: seems like they have those plays really well covered. Their
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: whole coverage system is based off of leverage. So when
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: you have guys that are sitting outside leverage and then
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: you're coming towards, you know, having receivers cut out towards
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: them into that leverage, are just sitting there waiting for
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, there's no whereas they're supposed to go.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: All right, Donald, getting another another rep in here, get
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: your Bill Peppers in the middle of it. Mac Wilson
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: like seeing those two guys together. Emotional toss week at
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: was that on the strong side lean Raynie. I believe
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: it was Ronnie Perkins. Nice play, probably one of the
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: few times that I've really seen Ronnie stand out that
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: was that was exactly what they're looking for there on
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: the edge, you know. I thought it was interesting. I
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: think it was I think it was Mike Reese who
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: maybe wrote about about Ronnie saying, you know, seeing him
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: in the locker room, he's just an absolute adonis. But
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: when we watch him, he just doesn't seem to have
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: that size from from you know, on the field. It's
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: just it doesn't really you know, visually translate. But because
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: I think I saw he's like six two two fifty
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: something in that range, I mean, he's just I guess
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: he carries it well. But all right, four down line,
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: now Donald quick pass at least got that one. Yeah,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: nice throw by Donald. It's like they beat Marcus Jones
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: and coverage across the formation, and that looks like that'll
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: do it for the Panthers offense. As Mac and the
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: Patriots offense is now going to take the field. Not
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: a crowd getting fired up for some Patriots offense action now,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: and it looks like they're gonna start about the twenty yards.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: I heard the crowd reaction. I was like, do we
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: have another one? Now? Fred's up here? Now, isn't he?
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: Did Fred start the fight? Is that we're hearing not
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: as dominant by any means for the Patriots defense today
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: and the Panthers and made some plays. Yeah, here's Rock
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: all snartic on you. This would be my first snark
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: we have. It's amazing how different Marcus Jones look when
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: the pass was to the outside of state, sing, it's
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: not even towards me, Poor Marcus, Poor Marcus. All right,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: two ten ends and we got a wards over right
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: that play it looked like I had promise twenty five
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: came in. That's probably a decent game that but that
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: that's getting the problem you get you get three or
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: four yards. They are based on the push. I wouldn't. Yeah,
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: I don't always disagree with you, but that's the problem
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: that they've been having on the zone runs is getting
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: up to that second and that level defender cutting them off.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: They just the point of attack has not been been terrible.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: It's it's really the the climbs in the in the
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: combination blox that they have to work on the interior
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: and with the tackles and they just haven't been able
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: to really get up to that safety or get up
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: to that linebacker to really spring it. So does that
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: give you concern going to the right side with the
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: athleticism of you know, say Andrews and on, when you
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: being able to get to that second level consistently? Yeah,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: you know it's I don't like that throw away nothing there,
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: And I think that this flags all over the place.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know what if there's potential grounding right, No,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: I think I think twenty five got call for an
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: illegal contact. Probably that sounds right for the Panthers, but
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: I think they also have an offensive interference on the page.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: Oh an illegal and downfield. There's a lot of wet
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: of laundry on the ground here. There's a lot of
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: stuff going on down there. What are we doing? Unfortunately
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: we don't get the explanation on the no, but I
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: think it would be really I thought he was pointing
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: to twenty five and then twenty five is pointing the
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: other team. I thought the back judge here was calling
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: an interference on the Patriots. Uh, well, there's a lot
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: of contact in this. Oh my god, how did that
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: haggler just caught a fade in the back corn of
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: the end zone between three Panthers defenders team rushing over
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: Jaylen Mills DeVante Parker, and that's an incredible catch up.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he got that. This pass absolutely
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: should not have that ill advised passes. It was coming on, like,
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: don't throw that one, uh, but somehow he scooped it
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: up and managed to catch it. Keep throwing him. Yeah,
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can live on that one.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: That's an unbelievable catch by igle world. That was a
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: great catch all right. You know again, that tree is
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: really inconvenient. Paul's got to cut that tree down. It's
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: just so random too, like, what's it doing, stupid tree?
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: Purpose tree kind of giving shade to the met well
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: inside zone and out there. Not much for Ramandre Stevenson,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: certainly not the kind of hole that the Panthers were seeing.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: How do they run game earlier? But nothing on that one. Um.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: I want to try to see if they can get
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: something going and some of these that you're getting a
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: little bit lower in the red zone here, I'd like
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: to see them open a hole in the running game.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: We haven't really seen very many of those ye as
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: opposed to spread them out and then running an inside
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: draw that you know you catch the other team, you know,
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: in a bad personnel situation. I'd like to see them
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: line up and open a hole back under center, a
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: toss goof. It's a nice play by the corner to
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: jump inside. Corner turned him inside. There was another guy
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: there to make a play, and you know, Stevenson's tough
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: guy to bring down. I'm not saying that would have
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: been a loss or anything, because I think Stevenson might
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: have been able to break a tackle there. But there's
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of blue shirts around the ball. Yeah,
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: that's all you can do. Trent pulls out like that.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: You just kind of get it around, slip it. You
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: know you're not gonna take them head on. So yeah,
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: Trent's was standing in front of me and Fred yesterday
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: during the James White ceremony and we had half security
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: asked him to get the hell out of the way,
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: but that didn't go so well. Now we had to
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: sit with Fred Durner. It's just a giant all right
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: back from the four shot him one two nothing. Oh boys,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: nice job switching that off by Carolina Secondary that's a
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: nothing open there. M Yeah, good job by the Panthers
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: have been better I think defensively today they were yesterday. Yep. Um,
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: not as many guys completely uncovered. Yeah, I think a
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: little bit, you know, a little bit like what we've
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: seen earlier this summer in that, you know, seven on
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: sevens maybe looks a little bit more crisp in the
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: passing game, but just a not a lot going in
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: the running game. Not a lot of big holes. It's
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: not a lot of easy carries for the running backs.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: And yeah, Caroline's fuzzing a little bit. Yeah, Nick, it
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: just continues to uh could just be in there, Lion's
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: share of the work at right tackle with with Win
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: out and Haran not dressed, we're going from about the
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: three now Mac and the shotgun I'm smelling as you
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: in the back end of the end zone roll right. Yeah,
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think they would have gotten in, but that
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: was a but you know, good, Yeah, good time Montgomery caught.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: It continues to be active draft them in your fantasy
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: to unless that happen, unless that happen to be third
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: or fourth down. Yeah, and that'll do it for Mac
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: in the offense. So yeah, not uh yeah, not a
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: status session. Not as good as the last set of elevens.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: I thought, faim Zapp, he's going to get this uh
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: this chance here too, Yeah, Zappy coming in. I know
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: that there's value to this for them obviously to work
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: so much in the red zone, but there's just no
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: space to do anything. And it's like if you don't
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: you have, like you go into the game, you probably
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: have like five good red zone calls and the Patriots
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: don't want to give away all the other people and
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: the practice and then you your column and then like
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: everything else is just covered. You know, it's really, what
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: are we doing? It's another sack? Oh boy oh twenty
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: nine Jackie Smith, Duke Dawson, sickest man in America. These
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: players are different though, these high red zone players. The
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: Patriots need to be better. I mean this is happy
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: right now, but in general, the offense could really be
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: better this season. I think from this field position and
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: avoid some of the inside the five, inside the ten stuff.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: Well that's why it's like why we got why we
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: got see the other part of it on the practice field,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: like Damian Harris had fifteen touchdowns last year. Yeah, so
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: you're not really, they're not lining up and pounding away
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: inside the five here, you know, to your point of
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: they're trying to like condense it through you know, really
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: tight spaces almost exclusively in the passing game. Yeah, which
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: is hard to do when I think the defense knows
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: that too. Yeah. Yeah. I remember last year in Philadelphia,
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: and I think maybe Bill said yesterday that they weren't
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: going to do any real goal line right, you know,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: balls at the one yard line pounded in. But last
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: year in Philadelphia and those joint practices, they did a
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: lot of goal line work that in that type of
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: situational stuff. So I wonder if maybe next week against
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: the Raiders, is they're gonna get into more of that
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But like you said, Paul, at the
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: end of the day, Damian Harris off of Trent Brown's
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: left or right shoulder, Like, that's gonna be tough to
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: stop you. I like this next little jump cut, yah, Hotgomery.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: I like the Patriots ability to run the ball into
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: the end zone from inside the five. Yeah. I think
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: they've been pretty successful with that the last few years. Yeah,
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: But I think it's worth questioning what's it, you know,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: what's it look like without a fullback or you know,
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's probably gonna look something different in that short
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: yard is stuff. I just think that's the easiest call
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. Running behind seventy seven and just let him,
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: let him do the work and see that giant person. Yeah,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: running behind him, all right, So zappi's about at the
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: seven yard line? Is he continues to work here, I'd
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: look for Tae Kwon Thornton here? Yeah? Is that the
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: formation Thornton a little whip route and little dn't see
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: a little lately, but it looked behind him because flag
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: the tree flag on the play. Yeah, I was on
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: the defense apparently. Yeah, yeah, the the side. The tree's
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: blocking you again, Paul, that tree's getting you again. I
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: can't say the tree might have blocked a little bit
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: of interference. Dumb tree and we got the throw was
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: to the wrong side. It's a little Mayfield ask. Yeah.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: I just I just continue to feel like that for
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: your TV. I like that Montgomery just he he just
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: has a different level of comfort. I feel like with
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: this run game right now. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 1: but I feel like some of his carries, he just
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: looks comfortable with what's coming at him and what's there?
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: Do you like him more in the run game or
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: the passing game? The pass game, but I just I
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: think he has more of an ability to to maybe
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: fit what they're doing run wise. I played By twenty
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: three as a break up on Stanley Thomas all of that. Hammond, Stantley, Stantley,
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: there's a team in there. Stant What was the intended
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: receiver there? I think it was I want to say
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: it was eighty. I believe yeah, I think it was
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: eighty as well. Josh Hammond definitely eight. So we're that'll
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: probably be the extent of my analysis of that played
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: that it looks like we're kicking field goals. I don't
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: know if I don't know if this is if they
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: were for calling us a day here with field goals
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: at the end, or if they'll get back into it.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you're gonna get field goals and then
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe a two minute like yesterday. I don't know.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see how yesterday. I just went on
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: and on and on and on after it seemed like
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: it was coming to a Now, guys, question, does anybody
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: think that we got Tristan Viiskay and you're getting ready
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: to kick it. Have we seen anything to make you
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: think that that Nick Folk might be in an actual
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: competition with tristaniskyging I really haven't. Um. I think Focus
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: looks as consistent as he's been as a Patriot. Yeah,
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: in the camp, it's got that dad energy. Yesterday when
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: they released Julian, it was like they can release Julian
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: or the backup kicker, like one of those guys is
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: is gonna go at some point, you know, with with
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: the situations in front of them. And congratulations to Jake
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: Bailey for winning the punt battle. I saw some things
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: out there that were like, uh, you know from Thursday night,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: like oh, update on the Patriots punter battle. It's like
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: what punter battle? If there was no battle? Why talking
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: about once Jake Bailey signed his extension, it was no
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: more about I need that, like that gift of two
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: kittens like hitting each other. I will ask you guys,
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: um if I if I'm misreading the roster that they
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: look let go with three guys, Like did that get
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: him down to eighty four? I think so. James White's
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: technically not on the reserve list yet they haven't made
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: that move or whatever, he's the eighty fifth guy. Yeah,
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: he's the eighty fifth guy right right now? A right,
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: So I did not misread the schedule, I mean the
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: roster because I thought they had eighty seven and then
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, with three guys yesterday. There there's something
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: to do. And this gets into the cat Minusha and
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. But there's some sort of bonus that
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: James White has on his deal that might end up
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: being a little bit of a parting grift gift from
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: mister Craft and Belichick. So I think that that might
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: be an element of why he's not on the reserve
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: retired list. He's just not participating technically right now. He's
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: on the active roster. And dude, you asked about the
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: kicker thing, and I think EV and I both agree
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: that Folk looks solid. I will say this guy has
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: made his kicks. Yeah, it's not like he's out here
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: like uh roll Waser a couple of years ago. You know,
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: couldn't you know, really walk couldn't shoot straight. I thought
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: Julian punted the ball pretty well too. And you know,
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: you think about injuries do happen the specialists and having
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: these guys and getting extended looks is at this time
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: of year is good and maybe somebody up back on
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: the practice squad as as I'm good. I just put
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: the kai bosh on him. That one hooked one from
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: forty eight yards. Yeah, and announcers jinks, I guess, I
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: guess My only thing with Folk is uh, you know,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: and he's been great. I mean, his career has been
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: resurgent here in New England. It's just you wonder and
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: I know, Paul, it's it's it's neither here nor there
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: for you. It's you know, just do you get ahead
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: of the curve? Do you have those few games where
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, Nick, Folk lost it finally? You know?
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: Do you do you have impactful games where he's missing
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: kicks before you make the move and you know that
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: that's that's the only thing to maybe consider. But I mean, overall,
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: he's been just a shock. I mean when he got here,
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: he was kind of a punchline after some of those
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: you know missus that he had early in his career,
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay thing, I mean, um go wasn't plays
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: in the af or whatever. It was crazy crazy and
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: then he comes back and he like can't miss I
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: will say if this guy an' you know, bounced back
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: and made a fifty three yard of the close it
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: out there he goes, So he's got some leg It's
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: but the nick folks story, I know it's a kicker
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: and he can't get people are two jazzed up about kickers,
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: but it is really crazy. He wasn't even this good
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: in first NFL. Right, this is the best kicking he's
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: done in his whole career. He's been and he's been
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: a good kicker for a long time. This is the
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: most consistent he's been. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, now he's
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: he's nails. I mean, making fifty plus yarders to win
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: games and things like that. It's it's and I made
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: I made a comment earlier when we were talking about kickers,
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: and I said, like the difference between the best and
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: the worst. A team can absolutely get derailed by a
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: guy who has that. Like every year there's a kicker
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: who has just awful year. Oh yeah, I mean, I mean,
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: and you can fans can talk about that. You can
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: get derailed by by the guy. But I think for
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: the most part, if you look back, there's twenty five
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: guys that make like eighty five percent kicks and you
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: know there's a Justin Tucker who separates himself from the
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: rest um. But you if you get that guy in
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: that year where he misses a bunch of kicks, that
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: can kill a team. The Chargers over the years have
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: had a lot of kicking issues recently as well. So
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: we're onto eleven on elevens as Mills for a while.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: Nice play, Jalen Mills, he's uh oh, and he puts
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: the ball. I don't know, that might be a little
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 1: bit too much there. Jalen hunted it right to the
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: ball boy. That was that. It's not even mad at you,
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: uh again. I mean we talked about him a bunch
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: of rolling the show. He just is continuing his strong practice.
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: And uh, John a little bit on the I don't
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: know if he's John. This was one of the Evans
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: pat to where that time I did think there was
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: some pressure caused him to pull the ball down a
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: little bit Donald and then the timing was all off.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: Anytime you gotta time. Oh wait a minute, we got
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: to the referee blowing the play did here? I don't
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: know what's going on? Twelve men in the huddle? What's
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: going on? The best I think he's I think they're
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: saying it was incomplete, is what they were saying. The
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: best stretch of cornerback play I have ever seen was
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmour's twenty nineteen training camp. He had practice whole
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: practices where he was just shutting guys out, like zero catches,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: zero yards in it, And that's not easy to do
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: against that receiving court. But even enjoy practices and stuff
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: like that. Oh my god, that was my line. Just
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: regard the blood one coming down, my kid. I'm not
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: saying Jaylen Mills has been on that level by any means,
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 1: but it's been impressive. It's not a good coverage though,
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: Stride for Stride yep. Although DJ Moore looks like he's upset.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: It's like, I want to buy this. I want to
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 1: buy on Jayleen Mills being really good. I just like,
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: until we get to real games, I'm not ready to
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: pound the table on anything with the defense, like and
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: then it's no offense to them. It's as much just
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 1: about how grueling the schedule is, how many challenges there are,
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: how many answers have they had for Tua and the
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: RPOs and all that stuff from Miami. A lot not much.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: So it's just it needs to be better than than
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: it's been. So until that point, I'm not going to really,
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: you know, start publishing. Unlike you guys, I usually look
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: at the bright side. You guys were always worried about
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen next. Okay, it's right, Just try
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: to live in the moment, right, Paul, No, I mean,
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 1: you got are absolutely right. Um, the defense has a
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: lot to proof. Let's just leave it at that. I mean,
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: I like what they're doing and it's certainly encouraging and
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: they much rather have that. You know. Then then the
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: offense going up and down the field on them and
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: then getting no pressure and you know what I do,
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: offense doing what they want. But you know, it's it's
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: been a good camp for them. But these guys like
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: Jennings are gonna have to play in these big games
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: and make plays. Yeah, that was a that was very
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: similar to the first player, only the timing was was
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: right and Djo Yeah, the timing was was was not
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: affected by the rush and the separation was there for more. Yeah.
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: So we're seeing Sean Wade out here getting a little
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: run too with with this. Uh, I mean, I don't
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: know if you call them the top offense. Josh Bledsoe's
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: out there too, So I mean there's certainly some some
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: other faces in there working, but you know, they continue
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: to rotate guys through and get guys experienced at the
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: top group. You're seeing Jonathan Jones play some safety right now.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: Isn't it so funny how you see these two minute
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 1: drills work all the time and sometimes that first play
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: is all you need and then all of a sudden
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: youre getting a rhythm the drive starter. Yeah, the first
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: two places for this drive were terrible for the Panthers,
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden you've got guys creating
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: some separation, you know, And Mike is right, it's not
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: it's it's not all frontline guys out there. Um. I
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: see that throwing the ball a lot to number twelve.
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: Is that Shy Smith from Carolina? So we'll see where
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: where the factors in. He was another guy that day
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: three Patriots slot receiver target that is hot on a
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: lot of people's radar. Yeah, but ye, I mean you
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: get McCardy and Adrian Phillips out here, Sean Wade, Jalen
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: Mills Bath throw nice catch. I do think with Mills though,
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: because we've seen in the past when the Patriots don't
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: have like a dominant shut down corner like a Gilmore
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: revis or Ty Law, that Belichick will put his de
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: facto number one on their number two and then maybe
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: bracket the number one receiver or something like that. And
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: what we've seen from Mills in camp, I think it
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: at least gives you enough optimism that they could run
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: with that game plan this season where they're able to,
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, be trusting Jalen Mills to take Robbie Anderson.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 1: Let's say if there this is an actual game against
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 1: Carolina on an island, when they have a bracket or
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 1: a guy over the top of Dj Moore, I would
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: put him very high on the list of important guys
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 1: to not get hurt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely an
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: important player. Like when they play Buffalo, like you put
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: Jalen Mills on Gabe Davis and then you double digs
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: and that's that's your game plan and maybe they can
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: get it get away with that. Well a nice throw,
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: that's a good play. Yeah, and again a really good
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: pocket to work with. So so this's a life situation.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: The Panthers completely pass down to the twelve. Donald rushing
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: to the line is the sam Donold experience that right
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: when there's a clean pocket and he can just sit
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: there and make throws like he's in his backyardready. Actually,
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 1: Sean Wade just got lost on that play. Yeah, nice
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: catches that eighty three. Dad was like, Wade had his
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: back to the quarterback, just kind of blanking his guy
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: in the back of the end zone and and Darnold
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: just fired it and was able to complete the pass.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: I guess right over right there. He just didn't know
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: the ball was coming. Yeah, Patriots sideline was upset about something.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: I think some of the players were looking over there
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 1: to see what was going on. All right, Well, Mac,
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: so a nice little drive there for the Panthers. I mean,
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: after all the talk of defensive dominance yesterday, the Panthers
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: showing a little bit of ability here in these final
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 1: driels to move the ball and uh ended with the score.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 1: So that's good for them. Now we'll see what Mac
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: and the Patriots offense have as they get ready. So
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: they're starting about from about the thirty nine, Why they
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: like throw it on the thirty nine, that's wherever the
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 1: ball lands, all right, Aglore motion into the slot. Mac
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: is yeah, complete, completes it on the run to Aglas,
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: just coming across, but that might have been a sack
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: quick pressure looked like a cold strange again, and Born
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: making his Born coming in for Parker. Now he continues
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: to and now he's he's definitely seen some time here
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: with the top unit. Yeah. See, now this is I'd
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: like to see this for Born because we haven't today,
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 1: we haven't seen a lot of these kinds of opportunities.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: We're backing the shotgun. He's got time on company. That's
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: that's a good throw. Yeah, absolutely, it's a good play. Yep,
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: it's a nice little's to come back. I think to
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: Aglare along the left sideline, Mac, some good juice on it,
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: getting it in there, nice completion, Aglare gets out of bounds.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 1: Good practice. So far from Agalore, he's made quite a
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 1: few plays. Yeah, I feel I've getten a lot of
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of heat. I feel like he's been really good. Yeah. Yeah,
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: I can't understand any of the feelings of trading him
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: or moving on from him at this stage. Kobe. That's
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Jase Horne Jacob saying, yeah, he's been out there and
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: these these teams they think they just saved him for
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: the end of practice. Where's he planning? So they they're
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: playing him in the slot. Huh A little bit, And
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. He's got some Jalen Ramsey in him. Yeah sure,
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: um we we I mean me and Paul were we're
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: big fans of his man. Yeah, he's Mac. Chucks it.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: Mac immediately pointing to John H. Smith saying that I
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: was I just wanted his fee. Yeah, I mean obviously,
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you drafted Mac. You can't. You can't blame
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: him for that. But I mean I think at that time,
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: though you were looking at I mean, we were ridding
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: the writing on the Wall with Gilmore with with Jase Jackson,
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was long gone, and it was like
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: he was they need, they need a young, talented number
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: one man kind of a guy if they want to
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: continue to do what they've been doing. And uh, you
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: know again they went with the quarterback. It's hard to
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: say that that was the wrong choice, but certainly imagine
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: a guy like Jase Horn or at least his potential
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: coming out in his defense would be uh. Panthers definitely
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 1: getting definitely getting watch much more pressure today. Than they
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: did yesterday. Yeah, yeah, I love jay z Horn coming out.
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 1: I had Patrick curtain ahead of him. But yeah, we
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 1: we both like that. That's not you know. Yeah, great
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: player too. It was like Mac on the sideline, we
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: you call it time out. Yeah, he spiked it. And
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: it looks like Matt Patricia got a big play card.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 1: So it seems like he's the one calling these plays
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: on Milwaukee Talkie yea for those who are interested the
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: line play though today did These pockets have not been
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: been pretty for Mac during these these team drills. I agree. Yeah,
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: noticing James Farren's getting some run to David Andrews, seems
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: like he's a he was hobbled after one another role rights,
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: that's something went wrong there was that we got a
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: flag on the other side. Mac not happy false start
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 1: to start on the Patriots or legal procedure of some sort.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: All right, whenever you see two receivers end up in
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: the exact same spot, you know that went wrong. I
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: didn't know what what Parker was doing. I mean, Parker
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: just kind of stopped and stood there. Yeah, it seems
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: like Thornton was expecting Parker to go up the field
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: and clean out the sideline and just fill in underneath it.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: But that never happened. And as usual, I will tell you,
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: as the quarterback apologist, that it looks like Parker wasn't
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: on the right spot there because quarterback generally throws the
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: ball where it was posted. Yeah, but yeah, something didn't
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: look right on that play. He got Montgomery now in
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: the backfield too. And some of these two minute drills
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: in the pocket putt that pocket was definitely collapsing. I
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 1: will say that, you know, the pocket's not been great,
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: and you want to give that that caveat, But some
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 1: of these throws, like Johnny's open there and because he
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: can't step all the way into it and really let
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 1: it go because of the pocket collapsing, it just doesn't
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: get there. And those are the things that you do
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 1: worry about sometimes with Mac is when his feet aren't
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: set and he can't really step up into the throw
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 1: and he's got to just kind of be all arm.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 1: The ball doesn't always get there. And that play there,
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: that could have been a nice completion if he's got
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: some more airner under that to get it to Johnny.
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: And this is definitely a ragged two minute drill for
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. They've moved the ball to the nine yard line,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 1: but not because of Patriots. Yeah, not by way of
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: any completions. And a touchdown for Parker on a little hook. Yeah,
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: kind of sat right in a little open spot, soft spot.
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 1: Nice throw by Mac. Got it out quick. Iglore in
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: there for the celebration. They're working on that too. That
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: was by far the best play that they run in
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: that that series of play. Yeah, yeah, that's just Mac right,
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: I mean finding the whole. It's tough with with Parker,
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: especially in this down and distance, because you got to
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: protect the fade and he's just kind of breaks it
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: off there and sits down and that that soft spot,
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 1: and he's been open a lot on that that exact route,
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: and he should be able to use his body to
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: create some right, create some space for himself. Now the
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 1: ball was at the two. I think I don't know
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: if he'll consist too too yards. Yeah, I'm back in
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: the shotgun. If this is considered a two point play
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 1: or it's probably the last going for the Winds, the
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: last player, the two minute drill. I don't like to
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: sprint out so all that this one worked. Yeah, Yeah,
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: he got in, Yeah, he got in that was time
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: Montgomery again. So the last two plays something to build
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: on for the for that two minute drill, I think
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: we'll probably get Mayfield, and you know, I guess it's
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: appy if the way that the rest of the practice
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: has gone before we call it a day here. Yeah,
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: we had a flag on the other side of the
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: field on that plan. I don't know what it was.
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 1: I think in general these last two days, the timing
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: for Mac has been better, and some of the downfield
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 1: throws he's made have been have been good. I just
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: think that the protection is still a work in progress,
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: and a lot of the times, like we were talking
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: about just a few minutes ago, when the protection is
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: not clean and the pocket is not really good for him,
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: pushing the football down the field at that point is
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 1: becomes problematic. And I get that that's true for a
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks. But he just would like to see
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: a little bit more zip on the ball when he
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: does have pressure at his feet. I may feel going now,
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 1: it's a good route, good timing off the sideline. Yeah,
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: justin Bezel playing outside Cornell a training camp experience, big field.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: Oh he's gonnam One. That's a good throw. Um. You
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 1: might have got it. Yeah, that was a pretty good
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: throw though just a little late. But we're getting in
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: the proportion now. You don't you don't know how much
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 1: things got delayed because of the fight. Yeah, that's gonna
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 1: be this set and then the Patriots will get a
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 1: set and that'll be That's the way it went yesterday.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: It was two two each to two minute drills each
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 1: for the offenses. To close it up. Well, guys, I
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to wrap it up early,
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: but I would like to start maybe just talking generally
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 1: about training camp and you know what we've seen over
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 1: the last few weeks. Um, we've learned some things, certainly,
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: I think there's some other questions we have, Uh start
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: with you having what you know, what are your headline
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: takeaways from from what you saw here in training camp
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 1: at at Lett Stadium. I think the biggest thing for
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 1: me is Mac and just the general you know, hear
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: all of the off season stuff about he's in the
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: weight room, he's with Tom House, he's making all these
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: strides and I'm not saying he necessarily hasn't done that,
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: and maybe it is just the things around him that
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 1: are going on, but just evaluating the passing offense as
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: a whole. It's been better in spurts and these two
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: joint practices with Carolina, but there's still a lot of
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback. And I wouldn't say that there's
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: a ton of instances yet where there's wide open receivers
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 1: or schemed open guys. And maybe we'll get into that
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: once the game planning and some of the more creative
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: stuff gets going. But I would have just I was
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: hoping to come into this camp and see Mac really
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: take it by storm, you know, and really kind of
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: turn that corner into like a top ten fringe, top
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: ten type quarterback. And I don't know if I've necessarily
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: seen that, but it has been better the last couple
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 1: of days. And I think defensively, they at least look
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 1: like they have the ability to hang on defense. And
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 1: I know we'll see, like you keep saying, Mike, like
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 1: we'll see when they get to get against Buffalo and
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 1: maybe even Miami in Week one if that's true. But
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: I think they have enough on defense that that would
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 1: Belichick's you know, ability to game plan and scheming things
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 1: like that, that they'll be able to piece together a
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: pretty good defense and if we always seem to look
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: up at the end of the day and they're like
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: a top ten scoring defense, re harless of the guys
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: are riding out there, and it feels like another year
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, the numbers will tell you something that
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 1: they were top top ten in both last year. Yeah,
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 1: and I don't think they were very good in either.
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 1: Well is a bad uh Yeah? Jack Jones jumping another
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 1: route there, Yeah, that's that's that's been a common occurrence
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: in uh nineteen. Got got by him. But you know,
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 1: Baker mayfields the quarterback, so it takes some change away
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 1: matter back Jones. Yeah, I think he's he's gonna learn
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 1: at some point and he's gonna get burned by at
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: one time and that might be might be the end
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, might take please you know, I'm tyke. Yeah,
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 1: I think has a sensitive takeaway. Yeah, he's exceeded my expectations.
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 1: I thought he would be sort of a red shirt
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 1: kind of a season. I think there's a chance that
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 1: he's more than that. I think I worry about his size.
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm not ignoring the limitations, the physical limitations.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 1: He's a speed guy. I've heard a lot of people
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 1: say he's much more than that. He's a speed guy.
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: That's what he is. But he creates space with the speed,
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 1: and he creates space I think at times for others
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 1: with his speed. So I've really been encouraged by him,
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: and I think he's got a chance to be a
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 1: real contributor on offense, and I think they need that
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: kind of a playmaker if the offense is going to
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 1: take any kind of significant steps forward. I do. I don't. Look,
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: he's not Julian Edelman, He's not Wes Welker. He's not
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 1: going to break down the route or anything like that.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: But he has enough at the top of the route
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 1: with his movements that when he does come off the
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 1: line vertically and pushes the coverage up field, that he
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 1: can break inside the defense on a dig router or
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 1: like a skinny post or something like that. And that's
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: all you need when you're that fast, right, he just
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: needs some thing that you can run underneath the defense
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 1: consistently to have them respect that, and then you can
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 1: take the top off once they crowd the line a
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: little bit more on you. I don't think that he's
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: like this like refined route runner, but his ability to
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 1: get in and out of the break has been a
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 1: lot better than I expected it would be based off
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: of what we saw Baylor. Yeah, for me, I just
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 1: want to highlight a couple of guys on defense because
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have been impressed with the defensive performance overall,
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 1: just the energy that they've been bringing and you know,
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: some of the big plays that they that they've made.
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 1: I think i'd overshadow a little bit early in camp
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 1: with the offense making a couple of last plays even
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 1: though the defense dominated. But you know, Anthony Jennings is
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 1: just somebody that I think was really under the radar
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 1: and you know, has suddenly been you know, talk so
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 1: much about somebody's got will emerge from Perkins oocha Jennings
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: And I think and I think, you know, so far
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: Jennings has shown that that he could potentially be an
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 1: impact player on multiple downs. We'll see, We'll see how
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: it looks in real football. I mean, he did get
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 1: his feet wet in twenty twenty. I think he was
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit out of position. But and I also
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 1: throw you know Peppers. I mentioned him yesterday. He's only
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 1: been out here a few days, but he just looks involved.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: He looks engaged. He's I mean watching him right now,
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 1: direct guys, Um, I'm just really interested to see what
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 1: he brings to the defense, how they incorporate him along
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 1: with you know, as Evan and pointed out Mac Wilson, right,
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 1: Quam Mill and those kind of new faces that you know,
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 1: are they going to change the defense? Are they gonna uh,
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 1: you know, get that taste of the Buffalo game out
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 1: of our mouth, and you know, maybe go down there
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 1: to Miami and in Pittsburgh and you know, turning some
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 1: performances that make you say, all right, that was you
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 1: know how they finished last year. Isn't the same defense.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 1: This is a different defense. We've got some new energy,
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: some new pieces in here, um that might be able
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 1: to change the dynamic a little bit. So Panthers are
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 1: wrapping up there their offensive snaps and it looks like
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 1: Bailey Zappi is coming on for for the Patriots, and
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 1: this might be the final set of reps for this practice.
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 1: And when we're done, we'll go home. And then well
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 1: that's well, I never told you that you need. When
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 1: you're done, you go home. All this buston Harold saying
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 1: when I was training for the Herald doing like agate stuff.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 1: So the guy who's training me is telling me what
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 1: you send down like the American League batting leaders, you know,
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 1: a l n L leaders. You know, you get that,
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 1: you know, fill it, you know, and then when you
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 1: get the last blot score and when you're done, you
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: go home. I was like, okay, it's really a philosophy
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 1: we live by here. Just you know, when you're done,
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 1: you go home. Little Jordan nice nice catch there connection
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 1: from Zappie that's a vertical clear out corner route fills
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 1: in mentioned Anthony Jennings though, Mike, I think what stood
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 1: out about him the most is that it's in team.
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 1: It's not like I think a lot of times like
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 1: we get caught up in like the one on one
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 1: stuff and like not to like pick on josh uj
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 1: but he sometimes looks great in one on ones where
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 1: he just blows by guys at you know, off the
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 1: edge they're rushing on the tackles and things like that.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 1: But Jennings has held his own in eleven on elevens,
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 1: which like definitely perks my ears up a little bit more.
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 1: That's like, okay, that's legitimate football. Now that he's out
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 1: there and playing well, and so we'll see. I mean, yeah,
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 1: I think that that's the one player that if he
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: has kind of just even if he's just reliable on
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 1: the edge and allows them to have one other reliable
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 1: edge center, that that will go a long way. Yeah,
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 1: that's I mean, does he get I got an interception there,
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 1: looks like maybe off the hands of I'll see, I'll see.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 1: Now perhaps I think I'm just not on the On
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 1: the same game, he turned and looked to throw with
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 1: the outside and he was on the inside, threw it
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 1: right to nineties. I think it was ninety six. Yeah,
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be curious having right out of the gate,
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 1: you know what that kind of sub package looks like.
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 1: And I think we'll got obviously jude On and Barmore
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 1: are there, but I don't I don't know if I
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 1: even really expected Jennings to push that. I've been a
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 1: little surprised by Jennings too. And I think that you
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 1: guys are right about him being a positive UM impact
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 1: so far UM quick observation for you guys. Maybe you
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 1: guys don't find it as interesting as I do. Remindre
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 1: Stevenson out there right now, as the back end is
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 1: two minute to me is somewhat significant, you know, mostly
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 1: kind of backups and secondary players involved here. I think
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 1: they're really trying to expand Stevenson's role, yeah, and getting
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 1: him more and more incorporated into the passing game. Yeah.
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 1: I mean we talked about it a bunch on the
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 1: show over the last couple of weeks, the predictability that
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 1: they have with certain backs in the lineup. I think
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 1: the stats last year said that they were run almost
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 1: sixty five percent of the time with Damian Harris on
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 1: the field. And then when they're not run, it's play action, right,
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 1: So it's one sort of type of offense. It's under center,
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 1: it's run, and then it's a hard play action off
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 1: of the running game. To have somebody out there that
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 1: can do everything, it just makes you a lot less predictable.
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 1: And I think Remandre is a guy that could potentially
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 1: do that and could be a three down player, could
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 1: be an all purpose player versus just being typecast into
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 1: that lead back role. And I think everything you just
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 1: laid out two feeds in a little bit of Fred's
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 1: big point that he always likes to bring up of that,
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots offense being easy to defend. And
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just you don't really have to look
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 1: farther than that, as at least one little part of
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 1: it that it was pretty clear when certain personnel was
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 1: on the field what they were going to do. And
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 1: I'd include the fullback in that kind of conversation as well.
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe they're able to be a little bit
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 1: more versatile between you know, going between two tight ends
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 1: and three receivers. I just think Stevenson's a more explosive player,
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 1: and I think the more opportunities you can get the
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 1: ball on his hand, you should be interested in that.
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 1: Plus he's tough in space. I mean, those little swing
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 1: passes to him, you know, and just make the linebacker
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 1: get it in space and and and try to wrap
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 1: and tackle him. I mean, it's it's no easy task,
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 1: certainly different than than the challenge that McCaffrey presents. But yeah,
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 1: Basin was going to stay on the sideline there. Yeah,
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 1: a little miscommunication there, Bailey trying to hit else. We
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: got little Jordan out there. Man, Little Jordan's getting a
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 1: lot of around. I think I think Little Jordan ends
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 1: up on the practice squad. It's gonna be one of
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 1: those veteran practice squad guys. I'm telling you, like what,
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 1: he's had a better camp, and he played better in
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 1: the preseason game and then Socco and Assisi wasn't even
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 1: Indian preseason games. And I agree with you, and I
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 1: think today Assisi has been involved in some plays that
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 1: haven't looked great. Yeah, I mean the interception was I
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 1: don't know whose fault it was, but it was a
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 1: clear miscommunication and he's involved right in the middle of it.
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 1: He's wide open, going deep though they want to push
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 1: it a little Jordan and they miss in the end
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 1: zone coverage these seam runs by a little Jordan and
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 1: being kind of like a detached why. I mean, it's
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 1: if that's the way that they have to go, I
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 1: almost think it could be more productive than putting Asiassi
• 2:44:33
  Speaker 1: out there if Henry gets hurt or if John is right.
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, he gives you a little bit more. I mean,
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 1: he might not be the blocker of a traditional tight end,
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 1: but yeah, at least he gives you a little bit
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 1: of length. And then at that point you're just spread right,
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're just not an under center. Team probably
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 1: really trying to back them into that, aren't you? Trying
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 1: to like shoehorn him. Well, I mean, we'll look what
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 1: happened off it's oh my gosh, look at us. That's
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 1: all I want. I just want them to look like Alabama.
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 1: Is that too much to ask for? Oh? Personnel wise,
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 1: it's my boys. And Stevenson caught one on his shoe
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 1: strings and uh Zappie's got him again. It was. You know,
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 1: it's been a little up and down here with with
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 1: this couple, couple of nice throws, a couple of miscommunications
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 1: obviously the interception as well. So I think this will
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 1: be the last play. I'm not positive on that, but
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 1: Carolina sure looks like they want it to be. They're
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 1: all kind of creeping slow up at the sideline, long
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 1: here to be. To be fair to the Panthers, they
• 2:45:34
  Speaker 1: more than today. I think they might have been a
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 1: little bit better. It was. It was pretty even. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't say it was like I mean, Carolina was better
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  Speaker 1: than yes, oh yeah, not even close. Yeah, not not
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  Speaker 1: that they were better than the Patriots. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was much more even today. Yeah, I would agree with you,
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  Speaker 1: which is what you want. You want both teams to
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  Speaker 1: make some plays, and you know, fell back and forth
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. I want to describe the play that
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  Speaker 1: just happened. I think they call that a what is
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  Speaker 1: that a fade? Rene try to toss one up the
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  Speaker 1: airback shoulder to three Nixon. I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about that one. I mean, I'm all for it
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  Speaker 1: with Parker and Thornton. Yeah, I was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: even with Agilo. I mean, Agilo was not sure. But
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  Speaker 1: I think we're getting a little little nuts. Now we're
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  Speaker 1: getting down like Tree Nixon trying to try to hit
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  Speaker 1: him in the back. They're going to give him one
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  Speaker 1: more here. Maybe they didn't count the spike. These are
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  Speaker 1: the the guys that are out there now, though, are
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  Speaker 1: some of these guys that you know, Trey Nixon and Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: these are players that popped early in camp that maybe
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 1: had some moments that little plateau out. Yeah, but now
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  Speaker 1: this is the part of camp where it gets gets
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  Speaker 1: dicey for those types of guys. Oh, he was open
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  Speaker 1: that time. Stevenson was wide open too. I couldn't tell
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  Speaker 1: where he was throwing that, but knocked down, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's gonna do. It looks like everybody's stopping no wander. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a long two days. It has. It's been
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  Speaker 1: a long few weeks, but it's been fun. We've got
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  Speaker 1: to watch a lot of football, so I guess we'll
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  Speaker 1: start to wrap up our training campcast here from Gillette Stadium,
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• 2:47:27
  Speaker 1: everything that happened in camp and of course Patriots game
• 2:47:29
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