Latest / Moser, Lombardi and Kane / 2-20-26 Hour 1 - Nugs blow it vs Clippers/USA Women win gold, stopping NBA tanking/Can you stop tanking?

Transcript

2-20-26 Hour 1 - Nugs blow it vs Clippers/USA Women win gold, stopping NBA tanking/Can you stop tanking? · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardy and Kine on demand. Listen live
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: every weekday morning from seven to ten on Altitude Sports
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Radio ninety two five and on the Altitude Sports Radio app.
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: Second free throw?
• 0:20
  Speaker 3: Got it now, Dever's got a chance to force overtime.
• 0:23
  Speaker 3: Inbound goes over to Jokich, back over to Murray. Seven.
• 0:26
  Speaker 3: He's across a timeline at five. He stops at the
• 0:29
  Speaker 3: point he turns to his left, stops top three step.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: And got fouled at the horn.
• 0:37
  Speaker 3: Three free throws coming up for Jamal Murray. We've seen
• 0:41
  Speaker 3: this one time before this season?
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: Oh man? Was that on Jones Junior?
• 0:50
  Speaker 3: One more free throw for Jamal Murray to possibly send
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: this bad boy into overtime.
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: Come on, Mal, make this.
• 1:04
  Speaker 4: Missed it.
• 1:06
  Speaker 5: Ball game.
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: That's twice.
• 1:14
  Speaker 3: Now, let's lose game number one of a three game
• 1:17
  Speaker 3: roll trip the final tonight from Los Angeles Clippers one
• 1:22
  Speaker 3: fifteen Denver one fourteen.
• 1:27
  Speaker 4: All right, so a few things coming off that first
• 1:30
  Speaker 4: game out of the All Star Break for the Nuggets.
• 1:32
  Speaker 4: They lose by one. I think Kas has that wrong.
• 1:36
  Speaker 4: This wasn't the second time that's happened for Jamal. It
• 1:38
  Speaker 4: happened twice in the same game, didn't it at the
• 1:41
  Speaker 4: end of regulation and end of overtime.
• 1:42
  Speaker 6: It's sure pedably the third time.
• 1:44
  Speaker 4: And just to start here, I don't know what to
• 1:48
  Speaker 4: do with this information. What are you guys gonna say?
• 1:50
  Speaker 4: Not you guys, but what are people gonna say, Jamal's
• 1:53
  Speaker 4: not clutch, Jamal's Insanley clutch. It just seems weird that
• 1:57
  Speaker 4: in three different situations he couldn't finish those. That's one two.
• 2:03
  Speaker 4: It's the same concern I've had forever. This used to
• 2:08
  Speaker 4: be where the Nuggets were at their best was late
• 2:12
  Speaker 4: game situations. Can you find a way to win? And god,
• 2:15
  Speaker 4: has it been a struggle for a while now it's
• 2:18
  Speaker 4: been a struggle. And we can bring up the excuses
• 2:20
  Speaker 4: of different lineups at the end of games and guys out,
• 2:23
  Speaker 4: but it's kind of like, can you finish a game
• 2:25
  Speaker 4: or not?
• 2:27
  Speaker 6: Last night it wasn't the offensive foibles right. People think
• 2:30
  Speaker 6: of clutch time is how many shots can you make?
• 2:32
  Speaker 6: How many clutch shots? They made the clutch shots right
• 2:35
  Speaker 6: for that last free throw. Heck, Jamal scored seven straight
• 2:38
  Speaker 6: points to in the game a donk of three and
• 2:40
  Speaker 6: then got fouled. So it's not that they broke down
• 2:45
  Speaker 6: defensively in ways that are just unacceptable. They did things
• 2:50
  Speaker 6: the foul by Tim Hardaway Junior there for no reason.
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: Right, can't do it, mamayah, can't do it. Vic.
• 2:57
  Speaker 5: I saw the Clippers throughout that fourth quarter, but especially
• 3:02
  Speaker 5: after they got close and then.
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: Got the lead. Boy, did they attack the bucket.
• 3:08
  Speaker 5: They attacked, attack, and the Nuggets had absolutely no answer
• 3:13
  Speaker 5: to it.
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: Vic, whatsoever.
• 3:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, you may be double teaming on the perimeter, fine,
• 3:19
  Speaker 5: but you give it to a guy and he's driving
• 3:21
  Speaker 5: the lane and it's oh Ley le oleo, You're like, good,
• 3:25
  Speaker 5: golly almighty. Otherwise, I mean, there were a couple of
• 3:30
  Speaker 5: blocking fouls, I guess, but you had no They just
• 3:33
  Speaker 5: attacked you right in your face. They attacked your face,
• 3:37
  Speaker 5: is what they did.
• 3:39
  Speaker 6: The Denver Nuggets opened the season and in the first
• 3:41
  Speaker 6: month of the season, we all assumed, we all saw
• 3:44
  Speaker 6: it with our own eyes. This team was a contender.
• 3:48
  Speaker 6: This team had championship aspirations. There's no reason this team
• 3:53
  Speaker 6: cannot win it all at this very moment. Not sure
• 3:57
  Speaker 6: I feel that way.
• 4:00
  Speaker 4: It's so hard to judge, Like if you're asking me
• 4:02
  Speaker 4: when they're totally healthy, it's a different thing. But this team, No,
• 4:07
  Speaker 4: and you mentioned it Vic. When you talk about closing
• 4:12
  Speaker 4: out a game, people just assume that means scoring points.
• 4:15
  Speaker 4: They can't get a stop and that's the big problem.
• 4:18
  Speaker 4: They cannot get a stop when they need to, when
• 4:21
  Speaker 4: it's necessary.
• 4:22
  Speaker 6: Hey, I don't want to sound like a doomer, so
• 4:27
  Speaker 6: I know that's what we're gonna get. Oh, this, listen
• 4:29
  Speaker 6: to those doomers. Can they turn it around? Of course
• 4:32
  Speaker 6: they can. There's plenty of season left. Guys will be back. Yeah,
• 4:37
  Speaker 6: but it doesn't look good. And I don't want to
• 4:40
  Speaker 6: hear their missing players. Detroit went to New York last night,
• 4:44
  Speaker 6: played the Knicks minus key player. They're missing their big
• 4:47
  Speaker 6: guys because the suspensions, and won that game.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 4:50
  Speaker 6: So we've seen it before. The Nuggets went through the
• 4:53
  Speaker 6: month of January without centers and went ten and six.
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 4:59
  Speaker 6: So you can't have you can't say, oh, wow, look
• 5:04
  Speaker 6: at that, how clutch they are, how deep they are,
• 5:06
  Speaker 6: and then when they're missing players, Oh, it's just injuries. There,
• 5:10
  Speaker 6: they'll be fine. No, you have now twenty six games left.
• 5:14
  Speaker 6: They have the toughest remaining schedule in the NBA. Straight
• 5:17
  Speaker 6: the schedule is the toughest one left. That was one
• 5:21
  Speaker 6: they should have had last night. Yeah, the end.
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: You know what.
• 5:25
  Speaker 6: The reason they lost that game is because their two
• 5:27
  Speaker 6: All Stars did not show up until late.
• 5:29
  Speaker 5: It was it was a tough when Joker are sitting
• 5:33
  Speaker 5: there four for fourteen and he was four for fourteen
• 5:37
  Speaker 5: from the floor, oh for five from three point range,
• 5:40
  Speaker 5: and he's on the bench and Valentunas is in there
• 5:43
  Speaker 5: doing his thing. At that point though Vicky, He's still
• 5:46
  Speaker 5: had fifteen rebounds in the game. He's still fifteen boards,
• 5:49
  Speaker 5: so the ball wasn't going down for him, but he
• 5:52
  Speaker 5: was doing other things.
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: He just couldn't score, and Jamal was abysmal.
• 5:56
  Speaker 5: And and listen, I was telling them my wife, I'm
• 6:01
  Speaker 5: like the two guys that went to the All Star Game,
• 6:03
  Speaker 5: they're they're having a.
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: Tough tough night to come out of that All Star break.
• 6:08
  Speaker 5: You're gonna have games like this, but it's still they're
• 6:10
  Speaker 5: on your It's still there on your hand to win it.
• 6:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, you could, you can still win the dang
• 6:14
  Speaker 5: basketball game. I just it's just too much, too much
• 6:18
  Speaker 5: easy penetration by the Clippers in that fourth quarter and
• 6:21
  Speaker 5: just drove me drove me nuts.
• 6:23
  Speaker 6: I just think the Nuggets started. You know what's crazy
• 6:26
  Speaker 6: about this is they went to halftime with a seven
• 6:28
  Speaker 6: point lead and their two all stars were combined three
• 6:31
  Speaker 6: for eighteen. So I said to myself, with a seven
• 6:35
  Speaker 6: point lead at halftime, Joker and Jamal three for eighteen,
• 6:38
  Speaker 6: I said, oh, they're fine. I mean, those guys aren't
• 6:41
  Speaker 6: gonna be that bad again. That's not gonna happen. And
• 6:45
  Speaker 6: look at the game they're getting from Julian Strauther and
• 6:48
  Speaker 6: Bruce Brown.
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were great.
• 6:50
  Speaker 6: I mean, look at those two. So what hurts even
• 6:53
  Speaker 6: more is that they got rescued by two role players
• 6:57
  Speaker 6: who came up big. They rescued them, and they still
• 7:01
  Speaker 6: couldn't win. That is concerning. I'm concerned. Sue me if
• 7:07
  Speaker 6: you think I shouldn't be concerned, but I am.
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: I also know they're.
• 7:13
  Speaker 5: Look at my face. It's not the best face to
• 7:16
  Speaker 5: ever grace this planet. I get that, right, Look let
• 7:19
  Speaker 5: me look at it. I look around that Clippers lineup, Dude,
• 7:24
  Speaker 5: there are a lot of faces that I hate. This
• 7:27
  Speaker 5: is just a side note. This is just a mos
• 7:29
  Speaker 5: side note. Yeah, I'll admit that my face ain't great,
• 7:32
  Speaker 5: but I look around. There are some very punishable faces
• 7:35
  Speaker 5: up and down that Clippers lineup that compounded my feelings
• 7:39
  Speaker 5: of angst and anger as that game went on in.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: The fourth quarter.
• 7:41
  Speaker 4: But here's I mentioned this yesterday and somebody thought I
• 7:44
  Speaker 4: was nitpicking, and I don't think it's nitpicking. Okay, over there,
• 7:51
  Speaker 4: the Nuggets are three and five since Yo gets returned
• 7:53
  Speaker 4: to the lineup return from injury.
• 7:57
  Speaker 5: And.
• 8:00
  Speaker 4: Jo Kic has a very specific game that we've seen
• 8:04
  Speaker 4: for six straight years, highly efficient, largely mistake free. When
• 8:11
  Speaker 4: he makes a decision, it works. And you know, there's
• 8:17
  Speaker 4: one thing that's been pretty consistent throughout his career, and
• 8:20
  Speaker 4: it's how inconsistent his three ball is. He'll go, you know,
• 8:23
  Speaker 4: five games really really good from three and then six
• 8:25
  Speaker 4: really really bad. I'm not concerned with that stuff. Joll
• 8:29
  Speaker 4: Kich around the rim, in his touch since his return
• 8:32
  Speaker 4: is what's worrying me, because there is a certain style
• 8:36
  Speaker 4: to the to his game where if he lets the
• 8:39
  Speaker 4: ball go from inside fifteen feet, it's in and it
• 8:45
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter. And that it was that way what's crazy.
• 8:48
  Speaker 6: What's tough to understand about last night and the comprehension
• 8:51
  Speaker 6: issue I'm having right now perhaps I need some of
• 8:54
  Speaker 6: you to talk me off that ledge a little bit.
• 8:57
  Speaker 6: Is late in the game, those shots were falling right
• 9:02
  Speaker 6: when they needed them.
• 9:03
  Speaker 5: They vict the one on the right baseline. Yeah, the
• 9:06
  Speaker 5: runner over that that he rattled in. I'm like that
• 9:10
  Speaker 5: was a that was a that was an incredibly difficult shot.
• 9:13
  Speaker 5: I'm like that was a great shot.
• 9:14
  Speaker 6: They were falling. But early in the game, I'm thinking,
• 9:18
  Speaker 6: and I'm talking to Damps and he took the tape
• 9:21
  Speaker 6: off his wrist again, and I said, how bad is
• 9:23
  Speaker 6: that wrist? Is it the risk? You know?
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: I guys, what.
• 9:29
  Speaker 6: I don't want to hear, what I don't want to
• 9:32
  Speaker 6: hear this morning is, boy, they looked tired and exhausted.
• 9:37
  Speaker 6: Please don't bring that weak blank in here. Please please?
• 9:42
  Speaker 6: Who's they by the way, the the theory that they're
• 9:46
  Speaker 6: overworked and jamal, yeah, just don't. They went to the
• 9:52
  Speaker 6: All Star game and it was hard. Don't stop it,
• 9:56
  Speaker 6: stop it.
• 9:58
  Speaker 5: I want to meet I don't know because they are
• 10:01
  Speaker 5: so one day we're gonna have to get together with
• 10:03
  Speaker 5: the listeners. Say I want all you thays, yeah, all
• 10:06
  Speaker 5: theays over here on the side days.
• 10:09
  Speaker 6: I just want to know this, I want I want
• 10:11
  Speaker 6: because it's hard to predict the future. I don't know
• 10:14
  Speaker 6: when ag is going to be back. I don't know
• 10:16
  Speaker 6: when Peyton Watson will be healthy. Oh and I got
• 10:18
  Speaker 6: another thing on Peyton Watson. By the way, I'm gonna
• 10:21
  Speaker 6: write this down so I don't forget it. It's another
• 10:23
  Speaker 6: chapter to what I want to get through today. All right,
• 10:26
  Speaker 6: Peyton Watson and one thing I'm worried about down the stretch.
• 10:30
  Speaker 6: But you tell me Peyton Watson could help last night,
• 10:35
  Speaker 6: certainly defend a Benedict Matherin. You know, Benedict Mathn was unstoppable.
• 10:40
  Speaker 6: He had thirty eight, you know, every time he scored.
• 10:41
  Speaker 6: I was thinking myself, boy, it'd be nice to have
• 10:43
  Speaker 6: Peyton Watson in his face, but they don't have him.
• 10:46
  Speaker 4: He's such a weird player too, because Mathern can go
• 10:48
  Speaker 4: off for forty or score two points and there's really
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: not an in between with him.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 10:52
  Speaker 6: Well he's a gunner. Yeah, he's a gunner, and that's
• 10:54
  Speaker 6: that's sort of his style. And as soon as he
• 10:56
  Speaker 6: got it going off the bench early, I was like, oh, oh,
• 10:58
  Speaker 6: they have no one who's gonna stop him out fat so,
• 11:01
  Speaker 6: so what needed to happen last night. The Nuggets were
• 11:04
  Speaker 6: up at halftime, but they should have been up by
• 11:06
  Speaker 6: more because if you look at the disparity in three
• 11:09
  Speaker 6: point makes and you had Bruce Brown and Julian Strather
• 11:13
  Speaker 6: give you love much love, you should have been up
• 11:16
  Speaker 6: double digital.
• 11:17
  Speaker 5: Sure those guys had a cushion they were talking about.
• 11:20
  Speaker 5: Of the clips, they were eight of thirty three from
• 11:22
  Speaker 5: three point range. They couldn't throw the ball in the
• 11:25
  Speaker 5: ocean last night, man, I mean, you let them.
• 11:27
  Speaker 4: Off the hook.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: That's what's so disappointing about it. That's what's such a bummer.
• 11:30
  Speaker 6: So I will ask the question, are you confident right
• 11:35
  Speaker 6: now that the Denver Nuggets are championship contender? Right now?
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: Who are you asking?
• 11:44
  Speaker 6: I mean, well, I'm talking into a microphone. Are you asking?
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: Are you asking the people?
• 11:49
  Speaker 6: I'm asking everybody?
• 11:52
  Speaker 4: Cautious? Yes, okay, Like I still think that once you
• 11:56
  Speaker 4: get to the postseason and things start to really get tight,
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: like I think that they can still make things happen.
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: I am not feeling the same way I was when
• 12:05
  Speaker 4: the season started, though.
• 12:06
  Speaker 6: You're not as confident as you were through the month
• 12:09
  Speaker 6: of November when they started the season. What were they
• 12:12
  Speaker 6: ten and two.
• 12:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and and part of me is just like, if
• 12:16
  Speaker 4: I see a healthy roster that wins games, then they
• 12:19
  Speaker 4: can all flip in an instant. But it just they
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: haven't been healthy since the tenth game of the year.
• 12:24
  Speaker 6: So you can't guarantee health, right, you can guarantee a
• 12:28
  Speaker 6: lot of things, you can't guarantee health. This might be
• 12:30
  Speaker 6: what they are, and this might be the you know, listen,
• 12:33
  Speaker 6: they're gonna miss players left and right. You just can't.
• 12:38
  Speaker 6: It's the worst possible scenario. They're about to undertake the
• 12:42
  Speaker 6: toughest part of their schedule without being whole. And what
• 12:47
  Speaker 6: they're what's happening is I think they're taking shots to
• 12:49
  Speaker 6: their confidence too, like their swagger. Yeah, right, do you
• 12:54
  Speaker 6: notice that? You see, it's pretty clear to me they
• 12:57
  Speaker 6: don't have the same swagger late in game.
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: They just I'm telling you, if they got and this
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: is what the bummer is about Peyton Watson Ag being out,
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: you need to get stops at the end of the game.
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: You scored thirty seven in the fourth quarter, great, you
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: gave up thirty seven in the fourth quarter.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: Not great.
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: If they had Peyton wattson Ag out there, that would
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: give them an extra boost. Defensively, maybe a lot of
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: this looks different, but when you're just relying on you know,
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: it kind of feels like that. Remember that Buffalo Kansas
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: City playoff game a few years back where there was
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: like four touchdowns in the last two minutes of regulation
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: and you're just like, all right, whoever has the ball last,
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: I guess it is gonna be the team that wins overtime.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they got an overtime, they only one.
• 13:43
  Speaker 6: Look right, and I'll say this, even if Jamal makes
• 13:47
  Speaker 6: that last free throw, and when get into details about
• 13:50
  Speaker 6: all the mass substitutions, I mean, I don't understand why
• 13:53
  Speaker 6: they did that. I mean, the guy you're.
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: Saying, just Adam and should have let the guys just get
• 14:01
  Speaker 4: into a rhythm late.
• 14:02
  Speaker 6: Just yeah, you had to wait ten seconds to ship
• 14:06
  Speaker 6: for what?
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: Just let the man shoot his free throws.
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: Because what was the time left on the clock then
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: point nine? Yeah, nothing's gonna happen.
• 14:15
  Speaker 6: Let the man shoot his free throws. Yeah, Rhythm is
• 14:18
  Speaker 6: everything when you're shooting free throws. You just you iced
• 14:22
  Speaker 6: your own player. I agree, you iced your own player.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: You got to feel the beat in the rhythm of
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: the night.
• 14:29
  Speaker 6: So Okay, let's let's take that aside. Even if they
• 14:33
  Speaker 6: forced overtime and winning overtime, I would have the same
• 14:35
  Speaker 6: concern this morning. Yep, I'm not saying. I'm not joking.
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: I would No, I would have concern this morning because
• 14:41
  Speaker 6: I I don't like what I saw. He just didn't
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: feel right. It's a guttural reaction. Something is off with
• 14:48
  Speaker 6: this team. It hasn't felt right for a while. You
• 14:50
  Speaker 6: want to know a prime example of this, and we
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: mentioned this. I think last week Vick. Are the Nuggets
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: capable of blowing anybody out? When's the last time it's happened.
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: I think they've only I think they've only blown on
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: this schedule. What are they now? Thirty five and twenty one?
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Is that the record is, yes, thirty five and twenty one.
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: How many teams have they blown out on that? I
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: think it's been like two three.
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: Like they they do not They do not put games
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: away like you need your starters at the end of
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: a game all the time. Now, beginning of the year,
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: that was different. They had you know, a thirteen point win. Yeah,
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: like when they were all healthy at the beginning of
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: the season, twenty two point one against Phoenix in Game two,
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: thirteen point winning Game three, damn near forty point winning
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Game four against New Orleans. They did that quite a bit.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: But since the injury started to rack up, I'm trying
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: to look for a win that's over ten points, and
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: you got to go all the way back to like
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: mid December.
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's it's a problem in games like this
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: because you go up nine, you go up eleven, you
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: get a chance to really, all right, let's let's end it.
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: Let's give them a mountain to climb, right, Yeah, and
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: they can't do it. They can't do it last night.
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: The reason they couldn't do it last night some of
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: the turnovers were abysmal. Eighteen turnovers in that game. Some
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: of them are like what are you doing right? And
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: that's the equalizer that and therein lies another problem. Take
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: care of the basketball and that goes for everybody, Yes,
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: including the two All stars.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: This, I mean, I know it's not we'll throw this
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: out too often. This feels like kind of must win
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: for me.
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: Tonight.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: You're playing a Portland team who's not terrible, but they're
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: a five hundred team. You gotta win tonight.
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: Good luck.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: You have to win.
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: Good luck, and then it's not gonna be easy.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: The Nuggets face the Blazers. We'll have all the action
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: right here and out. The Dude Sports Radio ninety two five.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Tune in for pregame powered by Ramos Law. At seven
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: point thirty. Back after this, Reba Yeah across the camera
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: knocked out two edwards.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: Stop the United States Tija with the gold tender, Paul
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: with two O four remating the Captain Kellery Knight, the
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: Albert pastor Color a defenseman high school cuts to the
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: next stop began Color the overturned Hero. The United States
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: Prince called the god.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Mister Gerbashov teared down this wall.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I thought this was America. We must stop the terror.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I call upon all nations.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Now watch his drive.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I did not have relations with that woman.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: More Nelly, not what your county can do for you,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: ask what you can do for your country?
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Is this America?
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: I thought this was America.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Craig, Craig, this is what I said.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: The appetizer, I go.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: The best part about the US hockey team, whether it's
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: men's or women's, winning a game, is that you're gonna
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: hear some presidential speeches on this show.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: The next day.
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: From this, we got to hear some good American stuff
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: besides presidents too. I don't know why you don't put
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: on there. We're gonna have some soups. I mean that
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: one is more American than anything.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: If I sit around, get fat and sassy and say,
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: eat breads and soups, some breads and.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: From the Americans of yesteryear. First of all, Vick, you
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: said that there's a couple of guys calling these games
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: that we're not doing a great job. Let me give
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: a shout out to Kenny Albert because those are both excellent, excellent, cause, Uh,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: it's funny. I was talking to a buddy yesterday and
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: we were talking about how when you have two highly
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: competitive teams and look, I'm not gonna ten like I
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: know all the ins and outs of the US and
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Canadian women's Olympic rosters. Okay I don't, but I just
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: know in sports, when you have two highly competitive teams
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: that have played once already and you beat the snot
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: out of them, it's gonna be really hard to do
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: that again.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And it was tough.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: US kept going to the box early in that game,
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: couldn't get anything going offensively, but to get you pull
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: the goalie two minutes left, you get the tip to
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: tie it, and then the actual goal from Keller to
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: ice things out was pretty thing, a pretty good play.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I think it was a bad goal. I think the
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: goalie should have had it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean that under the blocker it was.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: A five hole no, it was seven holes, so it
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: was over the path, over the pad and under the blocker.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: I mean you gotta get tight there. You gotta get tight.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: Keller did a great job. That cut in was awesome.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: The little flip was killer. But that goalie should have that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: They she should have that that puck. That's my opinion.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: But nonetheless, I don't I don't care. USA wins.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: All good, just a really incredible moment. And look, you
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: could have this. How great would it be if today,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: so in about an hour, Canada is gonna take the ice.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Just try and get in the gold medal match. And
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: if you get both them in the US playing in
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: this thing tomorrow and you get a rematch of this
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: on the men's side, how great would that be?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: It would be fantastic.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: What you just said about beating a team twice in
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: a row in these games and whatnot, because anything can
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: happen in a one.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Off, Vick.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: If you're talking about the USA facing Slovakia in a
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: seven game series, the US is gonna win probably four
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: games to one or whatever it's gonna be. But in
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: a one game situation, hey, man, anything can happen.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I love what Marty Natsu said.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: So Canada smoked Chechia in the prelimbs right in the
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: round robin five nothing and Vic, you're Martin Nacho said,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: He goes, He goes, well this, I'm fine with this.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: He goes. We knew we weren't going to beat Canada
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: two in a.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Row, so we let them win.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: We let them win this one and we'll get him
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: in the next one. And they almost had him, man,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I know they almost had him. They had a three
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: two lead late late, late late. Oh unbelievable.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: But just in unreal late heroics from the US women's
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: hockey team as they take gold, and now we wait
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: to see if the men can do the same. In
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: advance of the gold medal match. After today's game, which
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: is at one ten. By the way, you can get
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: out to Rhino to number thirty eight. Denver's best sports bar,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Ice called Beer Massive screens and the crowd that brings
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: the red, white and blue energy. Don't watch history alone.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Watching at number thirty eight with the puck drop at
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: three PM for the US Hockey semifinal. So once that
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Canadian game starts, we'll have that on the TVs in
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: here and we'll keep you up to date on the
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: scores in the meantime. Few things that I saw yesterday,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: and I know that we talked about these tanking stuff
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: that the NBA is trying to get rid of. I
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: saw some of the ideas that they were coming up with.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: It's atrocious.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: I liked some of them.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I don't like anything, but I saw I do.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: I like, you gotta do something, I see.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That's I disagree.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: Okay, I don't think they have to.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: But here's here's the ideas that have been thrown out there,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: according to So.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: These are these individual ideas. Are we talking about a
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: combination of ideas all the ideas?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: What is this?
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Multiple sources with knowledge of Thursday's GM meeting as well
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: as the late January Competition committee told ESPN the following
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: concepts have been discussed to curb tanking. Okay, one first
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: round picks can be protected only a top four or
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: top fourteen lottery odds freeze at the trade deadline or
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: a later date, which I think this is ridiculous, stupid.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, what if you have a major injury exactly,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: and all of a sudden you're really trying. Let's say
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: you're in this seventh hole and you suffer two major
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: injuries and you drop down to the twelve hole.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: You can't improve your position. That sounds.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: That sounds It's like after the trade deadline, Yo, Kitchen
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Murray get hurt on the same day.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Vic vic I.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: I appreciate let me let me say this in a
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: calm fashion. I appreciate your willingness to try and curb
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: the tanking. I appreciate your your emotional investment in trying
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: to make the league as good as possible. But don't
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: don't grasp on as stupid things.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: Well, why don't you go through a couple of the ideas.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you what's stupid.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: You don't like it, you don't like either of these
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: ideas yet, go through all of them. By the way
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: I did. You don't like you are the ones yet
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: or you weren't paying attention?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Were you?
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: I'll be totally honest, I don't understand the word you said.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Okay, if I think it's stupid, here's here's the way
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: this is going to work. If I think the idea
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: is dumb, then Vic, you're gonna be dumb via osmosis.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, Brett, let's start off the two first round picks
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: protected top four, top fourteen.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: I don't understand that. There's too much stuff there that
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: confuses me.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Lottery odds freeze the trade deadliner later.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: I like that A lot that's dumb, and that's just
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: talking about a stupid that's dumb, and that that's dumb
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: and you're dumb. What does that fix?
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Okay? Gone, goes that fix? Okay, I'll tell you. I'll
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: tell you what it fixes. Go on, Why don't you
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: just tell me now? And I can. I'll tell you why.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: Because if you play a team in December and that
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: team plays hard, right, and then you say that that
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: same team in February like right now, and they sit everybody,
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: it's unfair to the team that's playing that team. It's unfair.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: You're like, oh my god, now they're tanking. So if
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: you move up that that schedule, it moves up the
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: amount of games they can pull that crap.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: It's also unfair to the team that has a superstar
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: go down the season ending injury.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: Okay, go on, what's the other one? There's there's other ideas.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: No longer allowing a team to pick top four in
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: consecutive years. Love that, or after consecutive bottom three finishes.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Love it?
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: You can't play this game. But perhaps the greatest idea
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: is the one where you can't come out of nowhere
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: to win the top pick. If you get to your
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: conference finals, you're automatically in eligient games.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Can't pick top four the year after making the game.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: That's the way it should be.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: A lottery odds allocated based on two year records, lottery
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: extended to include all playing teams, and you can flatten
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: the odds for all lottery teams for other ideas. You
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: know baseball does this. It's why the Rockies I don't
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: think have a pick this upcoming year in the first
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: round because they've had too many at the top of
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: the draft or something. I forget the MLB rules. I
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: can just somebody explain this to me. Why does nobody
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: have a beef with the way the NFL does it?
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: The worst team picks first, the second worst team pick second,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: the third worst team picks third.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Because Brett, it's a very unique it's a it's a
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: unique league in the fact that they only play seventeen
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: games and it's a call.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: It's completely different different games.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Fewer people impact the result in basketball it's five on five.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: But isn't that the point?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Fewer people impact the result in football?
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Isn't that the point that if you're the worst team
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: in the league and you have the first pick, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: especially in basketball, let's be honest, there's really like four
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: to five maybe really impactful players that change your franchise
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: in a draft, and then there's like other guys who
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: are okay. But if you're like let's say Lebron's in
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: the draft, you're the worst team, you pick first, what
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: are you not doing the following season picking first? Because
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: you've got a good player. That's the whole point.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: So let me understand something. Your answer to this is
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: to do nothing.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: No, my answer is to get rid of the lottery
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: entirely and have the worst team pick first. Okay, that's
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: that's My answer is that you will have a race
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: to the race exact.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just so dumb.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: You know what's he's gone from being dumb talking about
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Vic You've gone, here's what you've done. You've said, I'll
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: tell you, I'll take your dumb and I'll double your dumb.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: Sure, how about the one solution that I really.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Enjoyed this seventy nine bro, Hang, hang.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: On a second. You're not allowed to have a top
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: four pick in consecutive seasons, no matter how bad you are.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Hold on a second. Who's racing to the bottom. Give
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: me the teams that would do it right now?
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, let's take a look at.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Team right now.
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: Utah. Utah has been racing all season.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Let's say, yeah, Utah, Sacramento, the Pelicans, Dallas who just
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: got the number one.
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: Last year, Washington was every Indiana Brooklyn.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Those all sound like a lot of teams that have
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: been bad for multiple years despite lottery.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: The Dallas Mavericks were in the end the Western Conference
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: final two years, and.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Then they traded Luca. By the way, Dallas is a
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: perfect example of a team who already did tank with
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Luca on the rock seat.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: The Indiana Pacers aren't exactly going out of their way
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: to win.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, can I ask you those laws were just
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: in the final Can I ask you something?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Should you drive me crazy? No? You make me no?
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Should Indiana be trying to do that this year?
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: Okay?
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: So would that be smartest for them to try to
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: try and go up there and stuff.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: Smart and smart and right or two entirely different things.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: You're going to an Indiana game as a season long
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: ticket paying fan. How do you feel about this is where?
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: This is where you're you're mixing the point here?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Is it smart? I'd say? Yeah? Does it? Does it
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: hurt the league? Absolutely? It does.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: If you're specifically trying to tank to throw games, it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: it creates, it waters down your product. I understand, Brett.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: I'll give you this. The New Orleans Pelicans have been
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: tanking since a d left to LA. They're poorly run.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: They've been terrible forever.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, they're steady run.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: They've been every year they've tanked. They tank like I mean,
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: they sit on that tank. They tank so much.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Washington Wizards have been terrible for six seven years.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: But are you gonna just sit there and not doing it?
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I think so?
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: By the way, most I never got your solution. You
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: mocked his, you mocked mine.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: How would you fix it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: But hang on, can I just one other thing? What's
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: my solution?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: The Cleveland Browns have been awful for years, for decades, actually,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: they've been awful. Sometimes teams just suck, they're just terrible.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: But you're you're see what you're doing, though, is in
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: the NBA, the draft I think can heavily sway and
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: change team's fortunes much faster than Yes.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Yes, and the way to suck is by getting good players.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: That's why it's so prevalent in the NBA. That's why
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: it's so crazy in the NBA. That's why this year's group,
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: this class of soon to be NBA players, Why do
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: you think so many people are in line tanking?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: What's your just want?
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Sorry? Real quick? Have The Detroit Piston has been a
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: pretty terrible basketball team up until recently.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Sure to want to go?
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: They had the worst record in the NBA.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: What changed?
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: They got better?
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: They drafted Caid Cunningham pretty good because bad teams draft earlier,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: they get good players. Good player makes team better, team
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: doesn't tank anymore.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: You what I appreciate about you? I appreciate your passion,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: But how do I not make sense? There? They stop.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Okay, I appreciate your passion. I appreciate you continuing to
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: try and prove your point erect and and and forward
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: your argument. I'm gonna I'm here to tell you, as
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: a friend and his brother, it's frigging stupid and shut up.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: Question.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: You can't bret you the race to the bottom. This
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: is why the lottery came in in the first place.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: No, No, the Pistons dumb.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: They were tanking at that time. If they lost the lottery,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: if some team jumped them like Dallas did last year
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: and they picked thirteenth and they don't have Kate Cunningham,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: this is We're still terrible, number one of the East
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: on the roster.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: You guys, shut up for a second, and please try
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: not to interrupt this time, Brett, because for the fourth
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: time I will ask you a question.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: You take you in your red head and you sit
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: down there.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll ask for the fourth time. I gave you
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: my solution, and I like two of the answers given
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: forth by the NBA. Mark, how do.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: You fix it? Oh?
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: And here's another thing, you see, this is I supwear
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: to god, Brett, don't I'm your ally at times?
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Don't make me your enemy. I'm the closest to you
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: want to make an enemy.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: Question, why don't you go.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Answer the question? Vic? I'll tell you what.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: I had a bit of an epiphany when I was
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: in Spain. And do you how many damn soccer teams
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: they have in Spain?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Professionals answer the.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: Question relegation that's never gonna happens.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I know it's not doing all.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: My answer was stupid and most of you.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: Let me tell you what relegation does. Oh boy, you
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: do not want to be relegated. It forces you to
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: try in what's.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Happened in most give me answer dumber than I am?
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Called me dumb.
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: You're dumber than both of us.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, don't I don't rather get hey.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: Listen, relegation is a wonderful tool that if you wanted
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: to employ, you can do it. In Hell, you could
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: fix NCAA football right away with relegation. It's never going
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: to be employed in the United States of America. Sadly,
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: it's not because contracts, television contract agreed tied to big
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: market greed. Boys, big markets would never allow it agreed.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: But boy, is it a wise way to go.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: That being said, there has to be punishment for finishing
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: at the bottom consecutively. There has to be some sort
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: of punishment that that there's no you have to take
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: away the incentive and the benefit of trying to lose
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: games period.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: However, however you however you want to do that vic
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: it has to.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: Be to look at the Rockies. Look at the Rockies
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: this year. The Rockies have been bad multiple seasons. This year,
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: they're not allowed where they draft in this year.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: What did they don't think they have a first round pick?
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, see, you're not allowed to. Last year they were
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: not allowed over the summer to draft in a certain.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Baseball's also, you four years for a guy to get to.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: The least, I get it. But at least they're employing something,
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: some some reason not to tank, not to be bad,
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: and it's taking all sort.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Really worked for the Rockies recently, those punishments for being bad,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: but brill incentivized them.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Well, the team also has to have an incentive to
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: try and win. Kidding well, they.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: Don't they so the tanking the Rockies aren't even tanking,
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: not doing it on purpose.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: They just stink, which is why they don't sign free
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: agents because they don't have good players.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: The year that that Steve Kerb missed the entire season
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: and Steph got hurt and Draymond and how many games
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: did the freakin Warriors.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Win that year? It was terrible four fifteen eighteen.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: What they were trying they were specifically trying to do that.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: The Rockies aren't trying to do that. They just can't
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: do anything else.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: Uh my boy, Dan Hyatt just texted me and this
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: see makes a great point regard because you keep bringing
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: up kid Cunningham. Okay, the Pistons were got awful. In
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty one, they drafted Cunningham that summer number one
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: overall pick. It came back. The following year they were
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: still god awful, only won twenty three games. The next
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: year they were worse, only won seventeen games because Caid
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: was hurt. Then in twenty twenty three they dropped the
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: fourteen wins. Holy crap, how bad can you be? That's
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: his third season in the NBA. You know what changed
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: the next year they went from fourteen wins to forty
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: four because they changed coaches. They changed their culture. They
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: changed culture, not just players culture. They changed the way
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: they coach and the way they act that's what changed
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: in Detroit. It's not always about players.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: No, I know, there's a whole bunch of quarterbacks for
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: drafts with Phoenix.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: Look at Phoenix right now. Yeah, look at the Suns.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: They if you think of talent wise, they took two
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: steps back, and yet they're better this year than they
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: were a year.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing, though, they need to have Cunningham on
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: the roster, a guy, a player of that caliber to
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: do anything. It's the same thing like Jacksonville drafted Trevor
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Lawrence first. Overall they've been awful multiple years. They've also
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: been good on some years because you need to have
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: the talented guy like mos. Was it a benefit for
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: the Avs to be god awful for a few years
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: to get mccaarr McKinnon on the roster?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Would they be in the position they're in without being
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: bad for those couple of years to get those kinds
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: of players.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: No, But they weren't. But the difference is they weren't.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: They weren't deliberately trying to screw themselves and screw the
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: fan base and lose.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: They just weren't good.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: It's not about by the way the base, by the way.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: The two years that they had the best odds to
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: win the I mean the the the two.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Well, they got mcgenery, they won the lottery, but then
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: they had the best odds to get the number one
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: pick in the mccar draft.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: They dropped the four right.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Then they had Ottawa's picked the best odds to get
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: the number one pick in that draft.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: They dropped the four right.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: They weren't trying to lose, by the way, they weren't
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: trying to screw themselves and screw their fan base.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: All right, Can I ask you as a question the
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: benefit of teams not tanking. I know we're over, but look,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: I just want to get this way. The Rockies signing
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Chris Brian is that a tanking move or a move
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: to win?
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: Does a move to save face after losing a name
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: player they wanted to replace that name player? Did did they?
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Did they think that he would?
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: They signed him because they had the intention of him
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: being a good player.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: That helps them.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you that the real intention was to incredibly stupid.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: So they shouldn't have done that. They should have chosen
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: the option to not get the good player. Right, that's
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: what we're saying. Yeah, I don't know Now do you
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: call that tanking? Now you're just do you call that
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: good roster management? Giving?
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: Because you can build, you can build contenders in baseball.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, look at Toronto, look at look at some
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: of Kansas City for all those years. You don't have
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: to have superstars in those games, superstars. You can win
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: in baseball without superstars on your rocks. True, the NBA
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: is different.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: True, And uh get back to this in a bit
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: three oh three five, because we're not We're not getting
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: rid of the lottery.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: And just admit it and say I was wrong.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Do you you know what strop all the way to break.
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: To use Mosa's stupid idea. We should be relegated for
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: that segment.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Team Brett or team Vic and Mosh Who you got?
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Three oh three five O four nine two five back?
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: I have a new game. I'm gonna play by the way.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Whenever I know Mosure has to really go to the bathroom,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna extend a segment as long as I please do.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Some of us don't have gall bladers. Brett, And I'm
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: sorry that you make fun of my disability. You know
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: I have feelings too, You understand that, right, I'm a
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: human no, I'm not made of I'm not I'm not
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: made of stone.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Uh Vic, real quick. I don't know if you have
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: access to the text.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Line anymore, because you've been banned by the boss for
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: good reason, because.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: You tend to just get sty Britt's getting smimmoked.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Vict Ten's to go to the old oh look squirrel
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: type of you know school of thought. Yeah, I don't
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: know what you said that would get people on your side.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: But Brett seems to think that people really agree with him.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, you guys are getting dominated that. It's not
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: even closed.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: You're not You're not going to get rid of the lottery, bro,
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: It's just it's not feasible.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: Well, here's the deal.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Frank's bad.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: The doing nothing thing that Brett brings up. Doing nothing
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: is stupid because doing nothing is led to this. So
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: doing nothing is just one of the dumbest things ever.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: But what is, Yes, what it's led to?
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: What teams being bad?
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: It's led to Utah taking its best players off the
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: floor in the fourth quarter of games. It's led to
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: Washington shutting down key players knowing that it needs to
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: start losing more. It's led to it's led to a
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: lot of that.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: The the Las Vegas Raiders are potentially going to lose
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: their best player in Max Crosby because they wanted to
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: shut him down weeks before the season started. This happens
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: in the NFL too well. Crosby is the Raiders in
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: large part because their trainer wanted to throw him on
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: IR to end his season when he said he was
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: healthy enough to play, like Week fifteen.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: Okay, so when does this start happening in the NBA?
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: Halfway through the damn season? I just if if the
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: Raiders had done that at the eight game mark, you'd
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: look at that a little differently, wouldn't you. It's happened
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: a right Listen.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: John Kitten told a story he was put on Iron
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: week seven with no injuries because they just wanted to
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: get him off the roster.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: It's a debate that will continue to rage because there
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: is no clear answer. And when there is no clear answer,
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: no idea is a bad idea. That's why yesterday, when
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: those ideas were put forth, them like, hey, it's worth
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: a try, It's worth the shot. Otherwise you sit here
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: and just accept it. Knock yourself out.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: The PWHL people have mentioned their system, and I haven't.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: I have never even looked into it. But get this,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: the draft order for non playoff teams uses the gold plan.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: VIC. What's the gold plan?
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Apparently, once you're eliminated, the teams that get the most
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: points after you're eliminated, they pick first. So it's an
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: incentive to continue to play hard.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: So stick early and then go hard.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: But this is so I guess, Yeah, have a bad team,
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: but not a team that's that bad.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're asking to do? Right?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Have a team?
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Don't don't be like the worst team ever, correct, but
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: be like this sixth worst team.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Also, dom.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: Uh this text line text line is hilarious because every
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: argument you make, including our own, there can be a
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: hole in that argument. So we've already been treating holes
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: in our own arguments. How about this one.
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: If there was a perfect system, VIC, then that that
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: would be employed.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: But there is no perfect system.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: Zero seven four nine. Give the bad teams less revenue
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: from TV deals. It's an easy fix. Nimrods. I like
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: the ad of the nimrod You think owners are going
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: to agree to that? I'm gonna look at you right
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: in the face. Do you think NBA owners are going
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: to agree to take less television revenue, just like relegation.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: That idea, Hey, just let me, well, let me Can
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I expand on that?
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Please, just for a second, please, I just bought a
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: team for three point one billion dollars and I'm bouncing
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: around the sixth hole after the new year.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're trying to win.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to build something with my team, and my
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: top two players blow out their knees on January second,
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: and we start to spot. You're telling me I'm trying
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: to win. I'm investing the money. I may be even
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: in some sort of flipping apron. Yet I lose my
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: two best players. We start to lose, and now I
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: can't have as much money because.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I lost my I also lost my two best players.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Screw you this.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: By the way, here's a quote. Tanking is losing behavior
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: done by losers. Yeah, and I thought about this. Would
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: I be more embarrassed if my team was actively tanking
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: or if my team spent a billion dollars and missed
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: the playoffs like the Suns did a couple of years ago,
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Like which one of those is more embarrassing action more
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: of a loser.
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: I give Mattishbia credit for trying. No, I'm not gonna
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: rip on him.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Uh huh oh, I don't. Don't you defend Matdishpia because
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: he the guy who stole the ball from Joker.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: But see he figured it out. But see he figured
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: it out. And it goes back to what the stats
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: I gave you about Detroit. What did they change in Phoenix?
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: What what move did they make that change the team,
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: the culture, the coach? They changed it. They found a reason,
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: That's what it was.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that all matters.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's and they finally got it right. All right,
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: forget forget this because I the whole tanking thing puts
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: me in a bad mood. Okay, last night the Nuggets
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: lost a game.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Oh that's a good mood.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, let's like, but I want I want to I
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: want to drill a little deeper into why they lock.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Also, last night, while I was bringing my garbage cans
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: in from the curb, I tripped and fell and skinned
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: my chin. Then I got inside, my dog accidentally kicked
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: me to the jimmy.
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: The night it went out, let me know, when you
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: guys are done, what.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: What are you looking to mean?
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: For my dog got hit by a car, so so
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: let me know, let it all out.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry for trying to have fun on the show.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: That's my way. I try to rush and I crashed
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: into a pole. Anyway, So let me tell you another story.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Vic.
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: The Nuggets are fourteen and fourteen clutch games in the
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: month of February. They're now two and five in February.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: If you're wondering why they're losing these games, we could
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: look at defensive breakdowns. We can look at a lot
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: of things. Dan Hyatt came up with this and it's
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: I really didn't notice it until last night. They're missing
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: free throws in the clutch. Against Detroit on February three,
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: they lost that game by three. They missed three free
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: throws in the fourth quarter. Then in Cleveland against Cleveland
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: the following week, they lost by two. They missed four
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: free throws in the fourth quarter. Last night lost by one.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: They missed five free throws in the fourth quarter.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: On consecutive trips.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: Vic, I'm not even talking about the end of the
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: game with Jamal trying to make three, but a consecutive
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: trips down the floor, Joker got fouled.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: He made one of two. Yeah, Murray got fouled.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: And that was the difference between being up by four
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: and up by two and then forcing the Clippers in
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: their possession, in their next possession, forcing them into something
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: that they don't want to do to try and make
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: up that ground.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, the difference was.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Imagine then, by the way, after Murray missed, I think VIC,
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: after Murray missed to make this is this is where
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: it turned. After Murray missed one of two, he made
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: the second. The Clippers come down, they get a bucket
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: and one.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And then they took the lead.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: VIC if I'm not miss and that's that's how that
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: went down. So it changes the whole complexion.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Of the game.
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: Do you want to hear the crew? The whole complexion,
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: not only for the Nuggets, could be the craziest stanton Sports.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: You ready for this? One clutch games this season, one
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: possession games with Joker on the on the court. With Joker,
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: the Nuggets are six and twelve. Without Joker they're eight
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: and two. Makes sense of that?
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know I've noticed this. You are going to
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: have me dead and buried before I say that the
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Nuggets are better with Yokas off the floor.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: Try to reply that that's not the insinuation here. It
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: is somebody makes sense of that stat and the only
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: thing I can make sense of. Their defensive rating in
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: those situations is way way different.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: And I know that clutch free throws and stuff, and
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: that that matters. It's or fifth in the league in
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: free throw percentage. They're a good free throw shooting team.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: They missed some late. Sure, this can all be fixed
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: if you get a couple of stops. They're incapable protop.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: So the stat I just gave you Their defensive raiding
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: clutch in the eighteen games of Joker is worst in
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: the NBA.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Dude, they were attacked late. I don't know how else
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to say it. They were. It was an attack to
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: the bucket.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: It was an aggressive drive after aggressive drive after aggressive drive.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: As much as we hate Moses subbing in somebody with
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: point nine seconds left, do you know, I think that
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: that's in the back of Adaman's head.
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: I think, listen, at the end of the day, the
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: players got to make the free throws. It's on him.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: But I think I think if if David had to
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: do it all over again, he would have just left
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: that alone.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: No, I agree with you, But he put in Yonas
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Valentunis for what you just talked about, like, hey, miss
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: a free throw, get a rebound or no, I think.
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: I'd stopped to set up a defensive because there's still
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: a second left. Maybe I don't know. That's what I'm
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: saying in hindsight, there's no reason to do that. M h.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: In my opinion, Yeah, let him shoot his feet throw.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: He's in his rhythm. Do you agree with me, yes, totally.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: We'll get back to the Nuggets in just a second.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: It's audio. By the way, I think you guys want
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: to hear Warren Schaeffer on with Jim round what you're
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: laughing at.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: He just makes me laugh.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: I don't want to talk about tanking. It just depresses me.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: It's just a sad thought.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Anyway. So the Nuggets lost at the Horn last night,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: it just makes me. Last conversations just went too long,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: But it's also you went from depressing to I think
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: something that's more depressing because the Nuggets aren't even we're
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: not even worried about the Nuggets tanking or the number
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: one pick or anything like that. And then you went
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: to by the way, Jamal missed his third free throw
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: and they lost at the horn, and it's like God
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: So a lot more to get to and just a
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: little bit stick around.