Latest / Best of Business / Paul Bloxham: HSBC Chief Economist ahead of Australia's 2026 federal budget
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- 0:16Speaker 2: Australia's Treasurer Jim Chalmers is set to deliver the federal
- 0:20Speaker 2: budget in about three hours from now. It's tipped to
- 0:22Speaker 2: be the most consequential in decades. HSBC Chief economist Paul
- 0:26Speaker 2: Blocksham is with us on this high Paul got eight,
- 0:29Speaker 2: What are you looking for in the budget?
- 0:32Speaker 3: Oh, so, there's a few things. I think one of
- 0:35Speaker 3: them that's already been put out there in terms of
- 0:37Speaker 3: lots of media coverage, is that they're going to make
- 0:40Speaker 3: some pretty big reforms or changes to the tax system
- 0:44Speaker 3: around housing in particular. So they're going to remove negative gearing.
- 0:49Speaker 3: We're looking that that's likely what they're going to announce,
- 0:54Speaker 3: and they're going to look at adjusting Australia's capital gains
- 0:58Speaker 3: tax arrangements as well. An aim or an anim of
- 1:01Speaker 3: that is to try to discourage people from investing as
- 1:05Speaker 3: much in housing, so in discouraging housing investors to open
- 1:08Speaker 3: up more availability of housing for first term buyers. So
- 1:11Speaker 3: that's one particular a bunch of things that they're likely
- 1:16Speaker 3: to do. I think the overarching story is going to
- 1:19Speaker 3: be that the Treasury is going to tell us that
- 1:21Speaker 3: they've found lots of savings. They're finding ways to trim
- 1:24Speaker 3: back on some of the bigger social programs, like the
- 1:27Speaker 3: National Disability Insurance Scheme, which has been growing very very
- 1:29Speaker 3: quickly in recent times, and that's going to deliver them
- 1:32Speaker 3: a bit more revenue support, and that we think we're
- 1:35Speaker 3: still going to see some measures delivered in terms of
- 1:37Speaker 3: support for the economy in the short run. So we've
- 1:39Speaker 3: seen a cut in excise already delivered, and we think
- 1:43Speaker 3: that we're looking out for more possible cost of living
- 1:45Speaker 3: support measures that come through.
- 1:47Speaker 2: Now is that problematic because I mean this is as
- 1:51Speaker 2: we know, inflation has jumped quite markedly in just the
- 1:54Speaker 2: last week while and if Bullock sees this carry on,
- 1:56Speaker 2: she's going to tip the country into recession. So if
- 1:59Speaker 2: they spined up in this budget, are they making that
- 2:01Speaker 2: more likely?
- 2:02Speaker 3: Well, that's the risk. So if the budget turns out
- 2:05Speaker 3: to be more expansionary then than ideal, then that will
- 2:11Speaker 3: put more demand into the economy at a time when
- 2:15Speaker 3: inflation is already too high, and that would force the
- 2:18Speaker 3: hand of the RBA, who have already lifted interest rates
- 2:21Speaker 3: three times as we know over the past three meetings,
- 2:23Speaker 3: to have to possibly lift interest rates even further because
- 2:27Speaker 3: at the moment we've got an economy that's growing too
- 2:29Speaker 3: quickly beyond its sustainable capacity. You can't boost demand in
- 2:33Speaker 3: that economy. You actually have to focus on improving supply.
- 2:36Speaker 3: And if the budget delivers something that does boost agg
- 2:39Speaker 3: wiget demand, it increases that risk that the RBA has
- 2:42Speaker 3: to lift rates more. And as you say, then that
- 2:44Speaker 3: really the intention there would be to be slowing the
- 2:46Speaker 3: economy down, pushing it into a harder landing and a
- 2:49Speaker 3: bigger downturn. So getting this budget right and getting the
- 2:52Speaker 3: settings right is quite is quite important, quite imperative, and
- 2:55Speaker 3: I think the main thing we would like to look
- 2:57Speaker 3: out for, beyond the things I just described, more actions
- 3:01Speaker 3: that will improve the supply side of the economy that
- 3:03Speaker 3: will lead to an improvement in productivity. But that hasn't
- 3:06Speaker 3: been a key feature of what we've heard discs in
- 3:08Speaker 3: the lead up to the budget. It's possible we might
- 3:10Speaker 3: see quite more announcements in that regard tonight. It comes
- 3:13Speaker 3: out in three hours, and we'll have to see what happens.
- 3:16Speaker 2: Give me an example of what you would be looking for,
- 3:18Speaker 2: like you if you would gim charmers and you were
- 3:20Speaker 2: thinking about, right, we need to do the supply side,
- 3:22Speaker 2: what would it be.
- 3:24Speaker 3: Well, I think we need to look at a more
- 3:25Speaker 3: broad based tax reform agenda than just looking at the
- 3:29Speaker 3: housing market and looking at capital gains tax things, looking
- 3:32Speaker 3: at things like the personal income tax system. We have
- 3:34Speaker 3: very high personal income tax rates here, the corporate tax system,
- 3:37Speaker 3: very high corporate tax rate, and looking at finding a
- 3:40Speaker 3: way to potentially lower or adjust those and potentially focus
- 3:44Speaker 3: more on one of our more efficient taxes, which is
- 3:46Speaker 3: the GST, the Goods and Services tax, which is quite
- 3:49Speaker 3: low and which delivers a small amount of revenue relative
- 3:51Speaker 3: to other countries around the world. So those sorts of
- 3:54Speaker 3: tax reform adjustments. I think the other thing would be
- 3:56Speaker 3: the regulatory environment, where you look at, you know, can
- 3:59Speaker 3: we find ways to streamline the regulatory environment in a
- 4:01Speaker 3: way that encourages businesses to be more willing to do
- 4:04Speaker 3: investment and innovation and expand because that's those sorts of
- 4:10Speaker 3: things are going to help to encourage more investment and
- 4:12Speaker 3: drive more productivity growth over time. These are the sorts
- 4:15Speaker 3: of things we're looking out for and we might get
- 4:17Speaker 3: some more of them today, but we'll just see what
- 4:19Speaker 3: happens in a few hours time.
- 4:21Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward to it. Hey, Paul, thanks very much.
- 4:22Speaker 2: Enjoy your next three hours. It's Paul Bloxham of AHSBC.
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