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- 0:01OK, good morning. We're continuing to help us
- 0:02Nadarim. OK, today we're starting see if
- 0:07you're Ted, just a comment on Tedzine.
- 0:11So we mentioned you have to make a nadir Hataris Nadarim rather
- 0:16in front. We're going to see that twice
- 0:18today. One time I'm just going to
- 0:22mention the story. One of the places that we
- 0:24learned that you have to mention, I mean it's from
- 0:27Khazal, but one of the places where we see that you have to do
- 0:30it in front of the the no there. The one who makes the value
- 0:36can't just do it when he's not around.
- 0:39All right, so Mahoga Satara says you can't even write it and send
- 0:42in that you want to do a Tara to the base din and give your
- 0:45reason of Karata. That's not good enough.
- 0:48The Pisgre Chuva says it might be good enough.
- 0:51F Sharksas la haka when there's no choice, but certainly it's a
- 0:57Dinder Abana Mistama said only a dinder Abanan you had the
- 1:02reasoning was you need to have proper karata and you have to
- 1:06tell over, you know, what the net there was and why and why
- 1:09you did it. So therefore it just lends
- 1:12itself to the net, to natural din, at least on a level of a
- 1:17dinder abanan. I mean concept is close to der
- 1:21Isa, but as far as a ruling that halacha that has to be in front
- 1:25of them seems to be only a Dinder Abanan and Vidi avid.
- 1:29It probably does work, right? We see cases, it probably does
- 1:33work Lekha and Vidi avid if they did it otherwise.
- 1:36So one of the interesting stories that we have this from
- 1:39in Tanakh is where Yiftah Giladi safe for shoftim in the areas of
- 1:48Prakhim Udhalakan base. So right, the famous story
- 1:51Yiftahan Giladi, he makes a a famous Neder that if he wins the
- 1:55war, whoever is going to go through the doors first, he's
- 1:58going to bring as a carbon. And it's and it was not a proper
- 2:03it wasn't proper for him to do so.
- 2:05But Khazal, one of the places in Brazil, Sraba Samer mentions it,
- 2:11and one of the places that that somebody did not ask Kahogan and
- 2:17it didn't go well for him either, because it turned out to
- 2:20be his daughter. Now, of course, we all know that
- 2:25the nether of bringing a korban to his daughter was certainly
- 2:29not khal for a daughter. A person has no right to make
- 2:34another person a korban. You could only make a nether.
- 2:37First of all, it has to be done the proper lush, unbelieving.
- 2:40If it was, it has to be done on yourself or on something that
- 2:46you own. No one can make a nether on
- 2:48somebody else binding if it has nothing to do with him or his
- 2:51possession. So of course it wasn't hull.
- 2:55And so that's a Mahocus if you have to bring animals or not.
- 3:02If it's an animal that's not proper as a carbon.
- 3:05So it's a Mahocus. If you have to bring money or
- 3:07something instead of it, OK, fine.
- 3:09But certainly has nothing to do with with its daughter.
- 3:12And so anyways, so someone will point out from here you what's
- 3:20it called anyway? So here from here we see Penhas.
- 3:24All right, what's the famous story?
- 3:25It was Penhas and Yiftak. Yiftak was like the president or
- 3:28the ruler and Penhas was the was the head of the Sanhedrin.
- 3:36So each one said he was a Kachman.
- 3:39Each one said I'm not going to go to him.
- 3:41He has to come to me. So you see that they had to be
- 3:44in front of where the basin is being Mattea, he wouldn't do it
- 3:48behind his, you know, for him he needed to to come and he and he
- 3:52also had to state that he had kharata if he could have sent
- 3:57him a letter or not. So that's the Mahaka Sakhonian.
- 4:00But anyways, you see from here though, there has to be in front
- 4:04of them. And the fact that Pentecost
- 4:06didn't walk too Yiftah and Yiftah wouldn't walk too
- 4:11Pentecost. They both got punished right?
- 4:14What was the punishment? Pinhas lost his Rukh Kodesh and
- 4:20Pinh and Yiftah when he died. It's unclear exactly what
- 4:24happened but the Shilas ivarim, I don't know if it was before or
- 4:28after he died but some say so. His ivarim were falling off and
- 4:37it was buried at each his different ivarim and his bones
- 4:41were buried throughout RA Gilad. It says in the puzzle it was in
- 4:47RA Gilad. It wasn't in one place because
- 4:50they were falling off as 'cause he was diseased at the end of
- 4:55his life and it was buried as he was travelling in different
- 4:59places. And even though Etzemedin he
- 5:02didn't need to make, didn't need to do Ataris Nadarian, he
- 5:05thought he needed to. And again, if an Alma arts does
- 5:09another inappropriately, then we don't we, we don't just say
- 5:14you're off the hook so that it's not call.
- 5:17We say you have to do Ataris Nadarian.
- 5:20And before she would say he should have at least made him
- 5:24hire to pay money instead, like we mentioned potentially, but
- 5:29here it's a it's a big Indian. It was a niece.
- 5:33It helped cause an ace from Hashem that they won in the war
- 5:36and it was done in public. So you should have at least made
- 5:39him bring some money. It would have been inappropriate
- 5:42just to get him off the hook just like that.
- 5:45Anyways, that's some so it's it's a Mahacus.
- 5:51What happened? It's his daughter In the end,
- 5:55the Sukim never said they killed her.
- 5:58So one it's it's unclear what happened.
- 6:01Either they killed her after a couple months, right?
- 6:03It said that she went to the house for a couple months to cry
- 6:06and then she came out and either she either they killed her or
- 6:12for the rest of her life she stayed without getting married.
- 6:15And every year it's the puzzle says every year, like four days
- 6:19a year, I think the the girls would cry.
- 6:21And because of the story, it'd be like a public mourning.
- 6:25So either with her or without her, it depends if she died or
- 6:28stayed alive. But it's unclear what happened
- 6:30exactly. But she never remarried.
- 6:33She never married ever and lived a proper life.
- 6:36That's that's that's clear from the story.
- 6:38OK, sorry for the little shop team.
- 6:41Your tet nisha Nishba or nadar Las odavar ploni T.O.K Shana
- 6:47first. It makes you Shiva.
- 6:49He's going to do something within a year.
- 6:54So you have an entire year to be Makayam.
- 6:57So you're not over the Shiva. But it it's clear according to
- 7:00everyone, the Shiva's called right now because you could be
- 7:02Makayam, the Shiva right now. So the that's just a case with
- 7:06any time the if it's if it's called, if it's applicable right
- 7:10away, even though you have a whole year to take care of it,
- 7:13you can already do the Hatara immediately.
- 7:15You don't have to wait till after you're over, but that's
- 7:18fine. Let's go to the next one, cough
- 7:20Nadar Aldas Cavaro. OK, so here you're making a
- 7:24nadir. You're you're making it in front
- 7:29of somebody. It's presumably in general.
- 7:33That means again, we're going to see it basically means you're
- 7:37doing it when the person, you're giving the person the veto
- 7:42power, right? You're not allowed to undo your
- 7:45nadir without getting his permission.
- 7:48That's the shot of what a case is of Nader Aldas Caviro.
- 7:54He did it in front of him and and we're going to see as we
- 7:56explained. And so he has to give.
- 7:59He has the right not to allow you even no, sometimes there's
- 8:06issues of Khashad or Busha. You could embarrass somebody or
- 8:10someone was is going to think if they don't know about you
- 8:13undoing it, they won't know and therefore they're going to think
- 8:16you're over another. Even if that's not the case,
- 8:20that could be the case. But even if that's not the case,
- 8:23you still need their permission. That's that's what the normal
- 8:27case of Aldas Cavaro is. So let's read Ayn matirin lo
- 8:33Ella ingenho deal. You're not allowed to undo the
- 8:36Neder and right, the basin can't undo the Neder unless they tell
- 8:41this person Osso Shanadar Aldaso, because they made the
- 8:45Ned there it was on his dos. He it was like it was in front
- 8:51of him and it seemed to be understood again, it depends on
- 8:53the case, but it's understood that you need his permission and
- 8:57therefore you can't just go and undo it behind his back because
- 9:00that's not how it was done. So there now, now once right.
- 9:07So it always means he gets his permission.
- 9:10And once you get his permission, you don't have to be maternet
- 9:16there in front of him. You just need the basin and they
- 9:19know there you don't need this other Chavera.
- 9:24That's the shock. So what I just pointed out was
- 9:27the shock, but it's I think Lakuli Alma.
- 9:30And the way I explained it is the way the Roma explains it.
- 9:35And the shock says that's there's no machocus.
- 9:37That's the opinion of the Shochana.
- 9:42I know. I have that too.
- 9:43I got the Yeesh Omrin. So the Yeesh Omrin is not always
- 9:47a Mahokhit and sometimes it's only coming to explain.
- 9:53OK, so that it it, it could be the Shokhanarak is referring to
- 9:58Mepaniya Busha. That is a discussion.
- 10:01It's a discussion if it's a Mahlokit or not a Mahlokit.
- 10:04That's OK. Well, so we'll leave it at that.
- 10:07But those who say it's a Mahlokit have trouble with the
- 10:10Shokhanar. Simple reading to make everyone
- 10:12happy is that there's no Mahlogas.
- 10:14OK, the aish Omri that Filo Hodillo in my Tyrion El
- 10:18Amidaltor at Sonovochain icar. It doesn't mean that you have
- 10:22to. It's not enough just to tell him
- 10:25because the nether was Aldas and it depends how the nether was
- 10:30made. But if it was Aldas Cavaro,
- 10:33usually that means or we're assuming a reading that it means
- 10:37you had it was with his permission or veto power and
- 10:41therefore you you have then he then then if that's the case,
- 10:45you would need his permission as well.
- 10:47It's not just enough to inform him.
- 10:50And that is the correct way of of Vadav Questionadar Aldato
- 10:59bishvil Shumtova Asalo bishvil Hashvua.
- 11:08Now when is this halacha that you need his permission?
- 11:13It's when you made it in response for someone doing you
- 11:17at Tova. So someone did you at Tova and
- 11:21at that moment you took upon the the net there because of that
- 11:30you or it's it's on a condition. In other words, you you, you
- 11:38make him. So here let's come.
- 11:40Moshe Schenader aadas nidro bishvil shahisi lo Vito.
- 11:45And like what Moshe Rabeno married Sepora, the daughter of
- 11:50Yisra. It was Kilo on the condition he
- 11:54made a shivua. Yisra only gave up his daughter
- 11:58again because Moshe made a shua. I'm not going to take your
- 12:02daughter away with me and move back to Mitzrayim without his
- 12:06permission. Yeah, Shivua, I tell it to Ellis
- 12:09ISRO and the Shivua was for the benefit of I don't know how
- 12:15mashma it is. It might be mephouresh, but I
- 12:17think Rashi actually stresses the point that before Moshe
- 12:22went, it says something that Moshe went to ISRO before he
- 12:26moved to meet shrine. So again, how mephouresh it is.
- 12:29But with Rashi, it's mephouresh that he got permission before he
- 12:32went back 'cause he made a Shiva.
- 12:35OK, ABBA miatsmo Nadar adas cabero if on his own he just did
- 12:44something, you know, you hold him.
- 12:47He made another and he he told his friend about it.
- 12:51It was it was helpful for the friend, but it wasn't and and it
- 12:55could be his friend did another favor for him another time.
- 12:58But that's not cashour to the Nader.
- 13:01If it's not clear that the Nader is in response for a favor, then
- 13:07it's not considered a das Cavaro.
- 13:10In other words, it doesn't have this halacha that you need to
- 13:12get his permission because the Ned there is you're holding
- 13:16Mahatralo below that you don't need his das because you never
- 13:20the Ned there was never made on the condition that he that he
- 13:24allows you to do Hatara. That's the only time where it's
- 13:29binding. This tonight again, exactly
- 13:36anyway, Llamai said. Obviously gets a little bit
- 13:39great when it's if it's if it's not so clear, but anyways, huga
- 13:44viesh omrim shitsarek shio diolo shahitiolo and but some say even
- 13:50if it's not Nikardin, you have to worry about getting his
- 13:53permission still. You did it in front of him.
- 13:57Could they show you did it in front of him and he knows about
- 14:00the nether? It was really for him or as a
- 14:03favor for him, whatever you did it in front of him.
- 14:05Shalo yashad otosha avar al nidro.
- 14:08Since he was there at the time of the Neder, you did it in
- 14:11front of him. You should tell him so that he
- 14:13doesn't think you're being over you're Neder because he didn't
- 14:17know that you got Ataris Nadarian.
- 14:18You should go to at least inform him that you did Ataris
- 14:21Nadarian. Maheem khvar meis shiaf
- 14:24Charlotte hodil material no ka ka.
- 14:30And once he dies, at least in this case, then it's not a
- 14:35problem at all to undo it. Bafilo another aldato vichfield
- 14:41tova SH asalo medievit hetirolo bilodaito Javier hatara.
- 14:46No it not really. You need to do it in front of
- 14:50them. You have to get his permission,
- 14:52but the Basdon can override getting permission and it's not
- 14:57correct to do so. But if you did so, but you have
- 15:01it, it works, then who? Shiparat Anadar via de Haviero
- 15:07NASA. But you have to know that it was
- 15:09done to Alice. It was, you know, you have to
- 15:13tell them what the Nether was and has to say OK, this is
- 15:17worthwhile to undo Hatara even without his permission, they
- 15:22have a right to go ahead and undo it.
- 15:26Omiyu based in Chenis caca Oeliaso Lafico, but the based in
- 15:34I have Omiyu. Omiyu, Omiyad.
- 15:37OK, we'll use both Miyad and Omiyu.
- 15:46OK, the shock says Omiyu fine anyway, so regardless, both make
- 15:50sense. The Bayesian should tell him
- 15:53that you know, that's very inappropriate that you made such
- 15:56a Ned there especially and Aldah somebody else, and now you're
- 16:00going to do without without getting permission the Yesh Omim
- 16:03Dilohave Hatara and some say it actually, even with the of it.
- 16:07We don't allow it anyways, just to share a quick story from the
- 16:12Gomar and Nadarian Samhay has the story where we see over here
- 16:16also the concept of the fun of but it's actually really here.
- 16:21It's really not in the fun of before we learned that the no,
- 16:27there has to be in front of Basden here in this story.
- 16:31Really the fun of is going on the Das Cavaro that the Cavaro
- 16:35has to be there to give rushes. What happened.
- 16:37Sidkiyahu saw Nabucha Netzar eating a raw rabbit, the meat,
- 16:46the flesh eating right. And Sid Kiya Assad and Nabuka
- 16:50Netzer saw that Sid Kiya Assad was embarrassed and he forced
- 16:55him to make, he made him make a neder that he will not tell a
- 16:58soul. I won't tell anybody what
- 17:00happened. So that because if people find a
- 17:03Shiva, he made him make a Shiva, that he will not tell anybody.
- 17:06Because if he does, apparently everybody Bob and everyone will
- 17:12hear about such a crazy story that he's eating a raw rabbit
- 17:15and they're going to be Mavazza him.
- 17:19Maybe it was just the Jews he was worried about.
- 17:21He's telling everyone I don't know.
- 17:22But anyways, he didn't want it to get out.
- 17:24So he made a Shiva. OK, he let him free and then he
- 17:28out. It was it was extremely troubled
- 17:31and he couldn't get over it. He really wanted to tell the
- 17:33story to be Mevaza Nevilka Netzer.
- 17:36It was just eating got him really bad.
- 17:37So he went to the Sanhedrin. The Sanhedrin hold over heard
- 17:41over the story and they were Matir Nader, Matzo Shivua.
- 17:47Thank you. There's Matzo, there's Shivua,
- 17:49even though Nabuka Netzar didn't give permission for him to be
- 17:53Matzo Nader. So it works again, the no there
- 17:58one in front of the basin. It works.
- 18:00But the problem was and then Nabuka Netzar found out because
- 18:06everyone on the street was making fun of Nabuka Netzar and
- 18:08the story made it to all the papers and he was terribly
- 18:12embarrassed and angry. So he went to the base to this
- 18:15on Hedren and he said how can you do such a thing?
- 18:17Isn't there a halafa that you have to do what the fun of in
- 18:20front of me Adas Cavaro and yeah, but they felt it was
- 18:26little Ellis. But anyways, the story was
- 18:28basically they they got caught on this prat that is supposed to
- 18:32be Befanov and he was marked and he was upset.
- 18:36Yeah, but it was the Shiva work. He wasn't Swans to the toba, but
- 18:39it was Al Das and some level Adas Cavaro.
- 18:43Yeah, it's a question exactly how do you interpret If he would
- 18:49have given permission, it would have been permitted.
- 18:53But here it's unquestionable. We see it's a question.
- 18:57But the mice anyways, they did it and he told them that you
- 19:02have to sit on the floor. Now it's I don't know exactly
- 19:06how he punished them or if he punished them or he got
- 19:08punished, but I don't know. Here in In the Shock says Shenet
- 19:13and ash hooves and Hedren. She had tirulo because it was
- 19:17also makes ehol Hashem made a made a big hill Hashem to
- 19:23Nebuchadnezzar in front of Nebuchadnezzar because they see
- 19:26how the Hakamim can just go against you know, you did
- 19:29something Geneva, whether you call it Geneva's das or das
- 19:33Haviero. However you want to, even if it
- 19:35was technically mutter it's you know, sometimes you could do
- 19:39something that you can. You know, technically you think
- 19:42you can get away with it according to the letter of the
- 19:44law, but you're missing the biggest letter of the law that
- 19:47you're violating the hill Hashem and Geneva's does.
- 19:52That's the Shah. Those are the words of the Shah.
- 20:05And I think he gets it from the base Yosef.
- 20:07I I'm not sure exactly what's from the base Yosef and what's
- 20:10from the Shah. I didn't compare the two.
- 20:14Memezine. OK, let's go on.
- 20:19Yeah, me akhar chasala tova venish bolo mishumze because you
- 20:25did it for this tova, for this reason, or you let him live or
- 20:28whatever it is he about. Nish Bola havira lasala EZ davar
- 20:33bolo ASA cane mishum tova shasala alpha piche materiala
- 20:39bolo daito Niko Malcolm. But you made a shua, let's say,
- 20:45to your friend to do something, but you did something.
- 20:49You didn't do it because of a certain tova.
- 20:55If you wanted to do something good, but it wasn't like an
- 20:58exchange or on condition of a particular tova, so then really
- 21:02you should. You did it for him and you told
- 21:04them about it. You shouldn't do a tar star in
- 21:07La Catrilla without letting him know.
- 21:11I don't know. I don't know if you need
- 21:12permission, but anyways, but La Catrilla you should.
- 21:15But if not, then certainly on this case it works.
- 21:19But we have it. What is it?
- 21:21In the case of Ticchio, it was for little Ellis.
- 21:26And the question is, well, that's my focus.
- 21:30If it worked. But let's say it did work,
- 21:31right, we'll assume it worked. So there, that's not.
- 21:37But look at Hila there. They should have asked they they
- 21:39needed to, right? We're saying, but look at the
- 21:40Hila. You still need to get
- 21:42permission, right? Yeah, the IM Nispala a person
- 21:52makes his Shuatas Kabira that he's not going to leave.
- 21:55But he was over and he left Matirinam alpha P Shalom
- 21:59medaito. So then you're Matihim.
- 22:01Even if it's not medaito Kevan shenanah shuvelom Ashvi Abedavar
- 22:06is you can't get benefit anymore.
- 22:07You left already. If it's before you left, before
- 22:10you went back to Egypt. So then you need to get
- 22:14permission. But once he was over and it's
- 22:18not going back, then you go ahead and just be a matter they
- 22:22show me then you kill it and some say no it doesn't matter
- 22:30you need to get permission. I got an E mate also said
- 22:35another so And if he dies then you're allowed to be matir meal
- 22:45IMA Shiva. I tell it to Alette Caviro.
- 22:47But if the Shiva was to benefit to help his friend, he's a dovar
- 22:53to help him with something. Oh shalala sok Biskora built the
- 22:56rishuso or not to do any business without getting his
- 23:00permission, but yell it to Alette Caviro and he was going
- 23:03to help his friend be E Kochhovir shohem Dinkomo.
- 23:06So then by 8 Kochhovir Shahem Dinkomo.
- 23:10So then if if it still stands, if it's still going to help the
- 23:15orshim. So then you need to get their
- 23:18permission. Komako Shah Nishba Kibel Tova
- 23:21Mina Mashbiya whenever the Nishba the one who's making the
- 23:25Shiva gets help from the one who's making him make the Shiva
- 23:29Alpha Gavsha Mashbiya Kibel you tear tova me menu.
- 23:33Even though Mashbiya got a much bigger benefit.
- 23:37Filaki mikri atava so-called the benefit Chahara yitro kibo tova
- 23:42yuterra tova MI Moshe shenasabito.
- 23:46It's true that Yustro benefited more that his son-in-law was
- 23:50Moshe, that Moshe benefited that Yustro was his father-in-law,
- 23:54but still is there. It's still called a benefit.
- 24:05And you made the shua for the benefit of marrying his
- 24:07daughter. And that's true, he could have
- 24:10married someone else, but doesn't matter.
- 24:12You, you, you made the shuwa for that benefit.
- 24:14So now you're bound by it. Let's just kind of see if we
- 24:17could just finish here. Yesh omrim de letzara mitzvah
- 24:20matiri neder shanishpa dot caveiro afilo bilodas caveiro.
- 24:25And we kind of said this, but if it's a tsara, A mitzvah, so then
- 24:28we can be a matteir Ned there afilo without him knowing,
- 24:33presumably only by the evet. What if it's not?
- 24:36If it's not ish the Isha Shaquille O'Hara manisha zelizer
- 24:41man and woman they made a harem 1 to another Lisa Zed Zed to
- 24:48marry each other. Aim matirin velodas caveiro Zen
- 24:52migre hatava Lisa caveiro. So that is called a Each one is
- 24:58benefiting the Nisbu Mishun ka. And so they made a Shiva for
- 25:02this zelizer to each other, right?
- 25:07So I guess to marry each other About IMA isha omarich shiso
- 25:11naoto then not now Maslatova is very Almatyrin shalomedaito.
- 25:16But if the woman gave some kind of a namatla, a good explanation
- 25:20why she made such a Shiva. But really she hates him and has
- 25:24never had any kavana to go ahead with it and she needs to get
- 25:28separated and to not go through with it.
- 25:30So then it can be done. Shalom medaito about the filo in
- 25:34kavar NASA merit not is ally haya lahot scene because even if
- 25:39she's already married and she says he's disgusting to me then
- 25:43he has to divorcer. I'm Misha, say Misha Nishba,
- 25:47Shalo, Lisa, Isha, Al Isha. Look over there and.