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Credlin | 9 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Steve Price in for
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Speaker 2: Peter tonight and I'll be back at the same time
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Speaker 2: tomorrow with my normal Friday night show after a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks away. Here's what's coming up though on Kredline tonight.
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Speaker 2: On an historic day in world history, Donald Trump, it seems,
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Speaker 2: has pulled off not just his deal of a lifetime,
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Speaker 2: but if this twenty point piece plan for the Middle
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Speaker 2: East holds one of the most significant peace deals since
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Speaker 2: the end of World War II?
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Speaker 1: But is it all?
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Speaker 2: It seems no one better than The Australian's Foreign editor
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Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan to unpick all of those developments for us
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Speaker 2: at home. A court ruling in New South Wales outlawing
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Speaker 2: a pro Palestinian march to the Opera House on Sunday,
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Speaker 2: But you have to now ask what are these people
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Speaker 2: now actually marching for? And again question why Victoria does
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Speaker 2: not have the same permit system to control protest marches
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne. Get the latest on that decision as well.
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Speaker 2: And what does the peace deal, if it holds, mean
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Speaker 2: for Australian Jews who've had to endure two years of hateful,
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Speaker 2: violent and unhinged anti semitism post October seven and does
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Speaker 2: anyone think we can reverse the hate that was let
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Speaker 2: run free by weak governments? Alex Rifchen will be up soon.
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Speaker 2: And while in the UK, former OSSI Prime Minister Tony Abbott, well,
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Speaker 2: he's told the Conservative government opposition what he would do
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Speaker 2: if he was in charge of stopping floods of illegal
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Speaker 2: migrants coming across the English Channel Sophie Ellsworth with more
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Speaker 2: on that coming up as well. But first tonight, the
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Speaker 2: amazing scenes that unfolded right here on Sky News Today
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Speaker 2: with the US President Donald Trump ushering Secretary of State
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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio into a televised meeting with the media that
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Speaker 2: Trump was conducting questions, being shown live across the world,
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Speaker 2: and then being ended a slip of paper. It was
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Speaker 2: extraordinary stuff. Got a look at how this happened mid
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Speaker 2: morning on the East coast of Australia.
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Speaker 1: Rubio.
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Speaker 2: Rubio was then beckoned forward Trump and whispered something in
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Speaker 2: his ear.
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Speaker 1: It's history in the making.
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Speaker 2: It's quite amazing to sit there in your lounge room
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Speaker 2: and watch that unfold. That vision will go down in
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Speaker 2: history as perhaps the moment the great dealmaker Trump pulled
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Speaker 2: off the biggest deal of his life. Could we finally
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Speaker 2: be seeing a lasting piece in the Middle East, or
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Speaker 2: at least a very least a cease fire in a
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Speaker 2: two year, bloody conflict that started on October seventh in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three by Hamas terror attack that killed at
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Speaker 2: least twelve hundred innocent people, A conflict that's seen thousands
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Speaker 2: of innocent lives lost in Gaza, creating a divide in
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Speaker 2: the West over Benjamin Netnyahu's military response, and saw Australia,
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Speaker 2: through our Prime Minister, our easy make the hollow gesture
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Speaker 2: of recognizing Palestine to presumably make himself and his lefty
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Speaker 2: colleagues feel better about themselves, but achieving absolutely nothing. I mean,
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Speaker 2: the US and Israel both slammed this virtue signaling, and
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Speaker 2: it did absolutely nothing to stop the conflict. Instead, it
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Speaker 2: took Trump and his negotiating team, plus the ruthless use
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Speaker 2: of American military might in attacking Iran. The bankrollers have
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Speaker 2: a mass to get a collection of Arab countries around
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Speaker 2: a table, including a muss to nut out this twenty
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Speaker 2: point plan. It is wonder now, don't you what the
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Speaker 2: Trump hating left globally are going to say if this
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Speaker 2: piece deal actually holds and the bloodshed stops, one thing
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Speaker 2: you can be sure of. They won't pre stop protesting,
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Speaker 2: They won't stop demonizing net and Yahoo. They won't stop
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Speaker 2: this rampant hatred of Israel using little kids dressed in
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Speaker 2: depth to the IDFT shirts because it doesn't suit their
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Speaker 2: real beef, which is a hatred of the West and
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Speaker 2: a hatred of Israel. Watch now how the real activists
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Speaker 2: behind the weekly marches that have disrupted Sydney, Melbourne and
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Speaker 2: other capital cities pivot so that these ugly marches, often
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Speaker 2: filled with ill informed sheep draped in Kefir's and Palestinian flags,
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Speaker 2: the greater Thunbergs of our part of the world find
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Speaker 2: a reason to keep up their useless process movement. Take
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Speaker 2: the Sydney organizer, the bloke who set up that march
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Speaker 2: over the Harbor Bridge and wanted to revisit the Opera
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Speaker 2: House on Sunday, where, of course you will remember that
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Speaker 2: three days after October seven a bunch of these protesters
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Speaker 2: chanted anti Jewish threats. Well, here was Damian Ridgewell, that's
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Speaker 2: his name from the Palestine Action group on the steps
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Speaker 2: of the Court in Sydney today, excepting he can't lead
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Speaker 2: his mob of tip to be forty thousand people to
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Speaker 2: the Opera House but instead intens taking over George Street.
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Speaker 3: It's because this goes beyond just the genocide over the
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Speaker 3: last two years. Obviously, it's important because Israel has only
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Speaker 3: been able to carry out a genocide because they have
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Speaker 3: been armed by countries like Australia and the United States,
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Speaker 3: because of the political support that they've received from those governments.
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Speaker 3: We've seen hundreds of thousands of Polacinians have lost their
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Speaker 3: lives because of that complicity. We need to end the
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Speaker 3: policy of complicity with an apartheid regime, which has been
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Speaker 3: a pressing Palacinian since nineteen forty seven.
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Speaker 2: So it won't stop, the protests will continue. It's now
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Speaker 2: all about what this crowd claim is genocide by Israel,
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Speaker 2: and you commit globally because what those who can't chant
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Speaker 2: from the river to the sea really want is actually
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Speaker 2: the end of the state of Israel. And just on
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Speaker 2: that sensible court ruling on an Opera House ban march,
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Speaker 2: here is Assistant Commission To Peter mckinner explaining how dangerous
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Speaker 2: it would have been to have let that gathering actually happen.
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Speaker 4: Coulisak the peninsula that it was on the ingress and
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Speaker 4: egress routes. They gave me a great concern of proud
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Speaker 4: crush and for those reasons, that's what we took to
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Speaker 4: the Court of Film.
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Speaker 2: Sensible, easy to understand, tough policing of a permit system
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Speaker 2: that guess what Victoria Police says, well, they don't work.
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Speaker 2: Could someone please send a copy of the judgment of
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Speaker 2: that court to new Commissioner of Victoria Police Mike Bush
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Speaker 2: and his boss Premier, just to allen and get them
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Speaker 2: to read it and then tell me it doesn't work. Seriously,
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Speaker 2: It's head to camera now for the latest out of parliament.
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Speaker 1: Question Time was on again today.
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Speaker 2: I sat and watched most of it, joining me our
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Speaker 2: political reporter Cam Redden cam great Seamte Susan Lee suggested
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Speaker 2: in question Time today that the Prime Minister had misled
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Speaker 2: the Parliament after he previously claimed Australia did not provide
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Speaker 2: any assistant to resistance to the returning cohort of Isis
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Speaker 2: Brides Camp. The Government's been very evasive on this one.
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Speaker 2: Where's it going to end up?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 5: They say there's no assistance because there's been no repatriation. Steve,
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Speaker 5: what we've learned throughout this last couple of days of
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Speaker 5: Senate estimates is that there were medical checks performed. We've
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Speaker 5: essentially now had it confirmed that this small number of
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Speaker 5: people who remember we're in Australia left and went to Syria,
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Speaker 5: we're there for a few years, and have now somehow
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Speaker 5: come back that there were medical checks performed and passports provided.
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Speaker 5: The government says and the departments have said that that
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Speaker 5: happened because they are Australian citizens and.
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Speaker 6: Are entitled to those passports.
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Speaker 5: But the government has said in question Time today nothing
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Speaker 5: beyond that there was no attempt, for example, a system
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Speaker 5: with flights or getting in and out of the Syrian border.
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Speaker 5: So that's where the government has landed. Why we don't
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Speaker 5: know more about exactly where these people are, how many
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Speaker 5: more might be coming in weeks ahead, is because according
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Speaker 5: to the Australian Federal Police, there is now a degree
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Speaker 5: of investigation underway.
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Speaker 6: They wouldn't elaborate.
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Speaker 5: On the extent of it into these individuals and whether
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Speaker 5: there might be prosecution down the road, for example for
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Speaker 5: going to Syria, and what might have happened over there,
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Speaker 5: so we might learn more over the rest of this
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Speaker 5: week of Senate estimate. Steve, but the Federal police saying
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Speaker 5: that they don't want to essentially blow their own investigation
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Speaker 5: by providing additional information on these people, and that seems
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Speaker 5: to be what's guiding a lot of the government's language
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Speaker 5: on this at the moment.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Cam, I'm confused about the definition of repatriation.
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Speaker 2: I mean, two women and their children, they get themselves
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Speaker 2: out of Syria and manage to get themselves into Lebanon.
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Speaker 2: They then get reissued, presumably with either travel documents or passports.
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Speaker 2: Their children have given DNA tests, presumably by Australian government officials.
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Speaker 1: Now does that not constitute.
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Speaker 2: A repatriation of these people back to their home country.
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Speaker 2: I mean they didn't just wander into Lebanon and suddenly,
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Speaker 2: you know, buy some passports in the local shop and
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Speaker 2: get on a plane.
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Speaker 5: No, and notoriously not the most porous border in Syria
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Speaker 5: or either stead of getting in or out. Well, the
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Speaker 5: government says in this it's worth knowing he has been
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Speaker 5: the subject and that definition of it the subject of
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Speaker 5: many hours of debate and prosecution throughout the estimates process.
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Speaker 5: We've had the Department of Home Affairs up today, the
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Speaker 5: Federal Police last night as well, and where they seem
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Speaker 5: to have settled, or at least the argument from the
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Speaker 5: government and the departments is that repatriation, the threshold for
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Speaker 5: that essentially hasn't been reached because there weren't flights arranged,
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Speaker 5: for example, that simply they were given what they.
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Speaker 6: Were entitled to, that is a passport.
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Speaker 5: And a medical check to confirm that, for example, children
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Speaker 5: are who they say they are.
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Speaker 6: So that's the argument anyway, Steve.
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Speaker 5: The Coalition certainly not satisfied with that, and worth noting
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Speaker 5: too that the Federal Police believe that more people may
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Speaker 5: be coming over the weeks or months ahead, but don't
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Speaker 5: exactly know how many might make it here, say, until
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Speaker 5: the end of the year.
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Speaker 1: Cam I love Senate estments.
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Speaker 2: It's so much more fun watching than question time these
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Speaker 2: days because you actually put public servants and ministers under
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Speaker 2: the hammer and you actually get some information out of it.
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Speaker 2: Now we find out today Treasure is examining that superannuation
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Speaker 2: tax change. This is for accounts over three million dollars.
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Speaker 2: They're going to double the tax from fifteen percent to
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Speaker 2: thirty announced.
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Speaker 1: Two years ago, yet to be legislated.
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Speaker 2: It appears the Opposition have the view that the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister is getting wobbly on this, the Treasurer is holding
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Speaker 2: firm where's this going to end up?
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Speaker 5: Well, what we learned there today, Steve, is that the
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Speaker 5: prime Minister's Offers has at least had a conversation with
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Speaker 5: Treasury about some of the feedback that's been received on
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Speaker 5: this policy. You mentioned two years it's February twenty twenty
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Speaker 5: three when the Government announced this, So all this way through,
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Speaker 5: when elections come and gone, they still have not been
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Speaker 5: able to get the Senate on side. The Coalition won't
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Speaker 5: support this in any form. And what we also learned
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Speaker 5: today is that Treasury has now said that it is
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Speaker 5: in one case has modeled but is certainly considering a
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Speaker 5: lot of that feedback from stakeholders, saying that maybe it
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Speaker 5: shouldn't look at unrealized gains, perhaps there should be exclusions
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Speaker 5: for things like accounts with farmland or big amounts of
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Speaker 5: property that are not as liquid assets. So at least
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Speaker 5: an acknowledgment there, Steve, that Treasury is looking at changes
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Speaker 5: and the potential revenue impacts of that. The government says
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Speaker 5: at this stage they're still pushing ahead with it, but
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Speaker 5: it's at an impass to see a way through the Senate.
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Speaker 5: You'd have to expect there to be changes. But of
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Speaker 5: course the Greens want this to apply to super accounts
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Speaker 5: that are much lower than three million dollars as well.
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Speaker 5: So whether there is any impass anytime soon, we'll see,
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Speaker 5: and maybe not a change in policy yet from the government,
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Speaker 5: but at least a change in its approach to trying
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Speaker 5: to get this policy through.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be very interesting to watch now.
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Speaker 2: At the end of question time, Tony Burke decided he
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Speaker 2: would stir things up. He used a circus analogy. This
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Speaker 2: is off the back of just into nampership a price
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Speaker 2: suggesting the oppositions like a circus. Use this analogy in
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Speaker 2: question time a few laughs at the opposition's expense.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at this from broad Church to circus tent.
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Speaker 7: Those officer providing the light entertainment on the hill. The
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Speaker 7: leader of the Opposition forever from the moment she's come
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Speaker 7: into office, has been juggling on a tightrope without.
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Speaker 4: A net, while below her the extreme.
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Speaker 7: Right are engaging in a knife throwing event.
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Speaker 2: Very proud of himself, but I think it doesn't add
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Speaker 2: much to the national debate.
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Speaker 1: Cam thanks very much.
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Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you tomorrow as Parliament continues. I
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Speaker 2: think question time's over and they're back off to their electorates.
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Speaker 2: Let's jump now into what has been a huge day
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Speaker 2: in the tortured history of the Middle East, and that's
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Speaker 2: the peace deal announced earlier today on social media by
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Speaker 2: President Trump. He announced Israel and Hamas have agreed to
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Speaker 2: a deal that would release all the Israeli hostages. Trump
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Speaker 2: has now said they will be free by Monday, all
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Speaker 2: those held in the Gaza Strip. That's the first step
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Speaker 2: toward what he calls a strong, durable and everlasting piece.
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Speaker 2: Who better to pick through what has, in anyone's judgment,
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Speaker 2: been an incredible day globally The Foreign editor at The Australian,
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Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, who has I am sure seen these sorts
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Speaker 2: of plans come and go many more times than he
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Speaker 2: cares to remember. Greg, this time, will it work? Will
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Speaker 2: it hold?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 8: Steve? It's great to be with you. Yes. Indeed, I've
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Speaker 8: written about a lot of Middle East peace plans, and
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Speaker 8: the more nobel prizes they get, the less likely they
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Speaker 8: are to work. We don't know if it will hold,
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Speaker 8: but it looks like the first round will go ahead.
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Speaker 8: The first round is the most important round. That is
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Speaker 8: the release of Israel's remaining hostages, a cessation of fighting,
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Speaker 8: de cease fighting, and the restoration of aid into the
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Speaker 8: Gaza strip. And that would be closely followed by Hummas
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Speaker 8: disarming and giving up power. But even if it's just
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Speaker 8: the first phase and we get an ugly, stale mate
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Speaker 8: after that, that is tremendous progress. You stop for killing
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Speaker 8: in Gaza, you get those hostages back to their families.
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Speaker 8: I don't think Israel would be motivated to resume the
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Speaker 8: military campaign once it's got its hostages. And this is
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Speaker 8: HUMMAS surrendering its last bit of leverage. This is surrender
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Speaker 8: and defeat for Hamas. So it's a huge victory for
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Speaker 8: Donald Trump and a huge victory for Benjamin Nett and Yahoo.
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Speaker 2: So you mentioned there that this is Hamas's They've thrown
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Speaker 2: all chips in on this greg They've said okay, and
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Speaker 2: their bargaining power was the live and dead hostages.
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Speaker 1: I mean to be blunt about it.
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Speaker 2: Why has the HUMMAS leadership now decided okay, it's time
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Speaker 2: to actually play that card.
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Speaker 1: Where do they go now.
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Speaker 8: Well, they'd probably go nowhere. It's very hard to deter
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Speaker 8: Hamas or to convince Humas to do anything, because Hamas
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Speaker 8: is a kind of a death cult. I mean, people
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Speaker 8: don't like to face up to what Hamas is. But
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Speaker 8: just google the original Hammas charter. It's vilely, filthily anti Semitic,
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Speaker 8: it's apocalyptic, it's a Salafist jihadist extreme ideology. Now they
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Speaker 8: could have saved you know. So the Hummas medical authorities
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Speaker 8: say that sixty seven thousand Palestinians have been killed in
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Speaker 8: the last two years. They could have saved all of
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Speaker 8: those people if they'd released the hostages on day one
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Speaker 8: or on any of the intervening days between them and now.
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Speaker 8: The death and destruction in Gaza is the moral responsibility
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Speaker 8: of Hummas. But why are they doing it now?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 8: I think a couple of things. First of all, Hammas
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Speaker 8: hardly ex really, it's a number of fighters, not as
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Speaker 8: senior command as anymore in Gaza. And I think they'd
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Speaker 8: be happy to embrace death. Hummas is not scared of death.
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Speaker 8: They love death, They're in love with death. But the
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Speaker 8: leadership of Hummas in Doha has been prevailed upon by
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Speaker 8: the Arab world, which is really sick to death of
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Speaker 8: this war and wants it to stop. And Hummas knows
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Speaker 8: that they need some ongoing relationship with the Arab world.
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Speaker 8: They probably still hope that they can salvage some amount
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Speaker 8: of influence in Gaza going forward. But much as this
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Speaker 8: is a defeat for Hamas and this represents the exhaustion
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Speaker 8: and the death of Hummas, at the same time Hummas
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Speaker 8: has achieved a lot of its aims. It has massively
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Speaker 8: harmed Israel's international standing, and it has produced so much
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Speaker 8: death and destruction in Gaza that the national community is
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Speaker 8: going to have to take it over. It's going to
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Speaker 8: have to be Arabs, Americans, everybody. So Gaza goes back
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Speaker 8: to the front page of the news for a long
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Speaker 8: long time to come. And that's more or less what
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Speaker 8: they wanted. And a piece, a real piece of a
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Speaker 8: two state piece is further away than ever because they've
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Speaker 8: increased the hatred of Israelis for Palestinians and Palestinians for hatred.
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Speaker 8: So although this is a real defeat farm Us and
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Speaker 8: represents the surrender, at the same time the tragedy is
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Speaker 8: they have achieved a great deal of what they wanted
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Speaker 8: to achieve when they set out on their obscenity on
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Speaker 8: October seven, two years ago.
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Speaker 2: Greg, you've been a very balanced to critic of Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: praising him when he does good and criticizing him when
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Speaker 2: you think that he's done the wrong thing. We saw
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Speaker 2: there today those historic pictures of Marco Rubio, the Secretary
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Speaker 2: of State, handing the note to Trump, whispering in his ear,
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Speaker 2: and then Trump announcing on a truth social that he
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Speaker 2: thinks the deal's going to get over the line. What
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Speaker 2: does this in your view due to the Trump reputation globally.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's a very big win for Donald Trump. Let
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Speaker 8: there be no doubt Trump produced this. It was Trump's will,
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Speaker 8: Trump's negotiating, very important to get Jared Kushner back involved
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Speaker 8: in the process. He was probably the most competent person
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Speaker 8: in the first Trump administration. So Trump deserves all the
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Speaker 8: credit in the world for this. Now, it's not a
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Speaker 8: permanent piece we have to see yet. You know, remember
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Speaker 8: Trump declared that the nuclear danger was over from North
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Speaker 8: Korea in his first term. That turned out to be beloaning.
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Speaker 8: Remember he declared that Vladimir Putin was going to have
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Speaker 8: a summit with Vladimir Zelenski from Ukraine and there'd be
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Speaker 8: a ceasefire within three weeks and so, and that turned
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Speaker 8: out to be bloaning. Now, as I say, even if
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Speaker 8: he just gets phase one here, that is a huge achievement.
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Speaker 8: But we are, of course a minion miles away from
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Speaker 8: a settled piece, and previous presidents have got to where
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Speaker 8: we are now. You know Bill Clinton and the Oslo
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Speaker 8: Accords and the deal that Clinton worked out with the Israelis,
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Speaker 8: which he has a arafat walked away from. We've been
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Speaker 8: on the threshold of peace a number of times. American
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Speaker 8: presidents aren't idiots. They've all tried to solve this problem.
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Speaker 8: And it's really Palestinian rejectionism influenced by outside actors like Iran,
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Speaker 8: which has made a deal impossible. It still looks to
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Speaker 8: me like a long term peace is extremely difficult. But
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Speaker 8: Trump deserves every bit of praise he gets today. He
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Speaker 8: hasn't solved the Middle East. This is not the greatest
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Speaker 8: day in human civilization. He hasn't ended three thousand years
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Speaker 8: of conflict. But he has stopped the killing in Gaza
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Speaker 8: and he might get the hostages for Israel. That's enough
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Speaker 8: to be going on.
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Speaker 2: With the Israeli cabinet's meeting, I think as we speak,
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Speaker 2: and obviously they need to endorse what's happened here. What
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Speaker 2: does this do for Benjamin NETANYAHUO going forward? He's had
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Speaker 2: his critics internally, He's had critics within his own party
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Speaker 2: of what he's done.
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Speaker 1: The far right of.
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Speaker 2: His cabinet is not happy about this piece del They wanted,
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Speaker 2: you know, Gaza to basically be leveled. What where do
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Speaker 2: we see Netnyaho falling after this?
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Speaker 8: Well, this is a big victory for Netna who if
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Speaker 8: he gets all the hostages back, it doesn't really matter
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Speaker 8: what the extreme right says about him. I myself am
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Speaker 8: critical of Netna who I've interviewed him many times or
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Speaker 8: you know, several times, more than any other Australian I'm sure,
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Speaker 8: and he has many massive achievements to his credit for Israel.
20:53
Speaker 8: But I think the military tactics over the last six
20:57
Speaker 8: months have been excessive. There've been two many need people
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Speaker 8: killed for too little military benefit, and I think that
21:04
Speaker 8: does reflect the situation and his coalition. But with this deal,
21:10
Speaker 8: I think the centrist parties in the kanessset would back
21:13
Speaker 8: him if the far right runs away from him. But
21:16
Speaker 8: also even the far right in Israel would have to
21:20
Speaker 8: recognize you can't defy Donald Trump, and you can't defy
21:24
Speaker 8: world opinion, and it's just morally wrong to keep killing
21:29
Speaker 8: if it's not absolutely necessary in the interests of the state.
21:33
Speaker 8: So if nedeya whu, I think he will be able
21:36
Speaker 8: to get agreement to this deal, and if he's able
21:40
Speaker 8: to implement this deal, then that will that will aid
21:45
Speaker 8: his reputation a lot. Trump said, Israel has lost a
21:49
Speaker 8: lot of support all over the world, and I'm going
21:50
Speaker 8: to get it all back for them. Well, nothing would
21:53
Speaker 8: win support back for Israel more than implementing peace. You know,
21:59
Speaker 8: I think ninety nine percent of the moral fault here
22:02
Speaker 8: lies with Hummas. But I think Israel's tactics over the
22:05
Speaker 8: last six months have been excessive, and this gives them
22:08
Speaker 8: a road out of that. It gives ned and Yahoo
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Speaker 8: a road out of that in which he can legitimately
22:14
Speaker 8: claim victory and then settle things down. I mean, everybody
22:18
Speaker 8: in the whole world just wants the killing to stop
22:21
Speaker 8: and things to settle down.
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Speaker 2: Great catch up, Greg, Thank you, look forward to reading
22:27
Speaker 2: your analysis in The Australian tomorrow morning. Greg Sheridan there,
22:30
Speaker 2: foreign editor of The Australian.
22:31
Speaker 1: Now coming up.
22:32
Speaker 2: What hope is there to crack Victoria's crime crisis? Where
22:35
Speaker 2: an official guide has been put out encouraging the straight
22:39
Speaker 2: judiciary to go soft on young criminals. Plus authorities are
22:43
Speaker 2: preparing for the arrival of more of those isislinked women
22:46
Speaker 2: and children from Syria, but don't expect any transparency on
22:50
Speaker 2: the issue from our federal government.
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Speaker 1: That's up next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back Steve Price and for Peter Kredlin. I'll be
22:59
Speaker 2: with you tomorrow as well. Now let's get straight into
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Speaker 2: the other news of the day with our panel, sky
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Speaker 2: one News contributor Caroly Katsumbanas and Deputy Executive Director of
23:07
Speaker 2: the Institute of Public Affairs Daniel Wild. Guys, welcome. I
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Speaker 2: want to start with the front page of the Heralds
23:13
Speaker 2: on today latest edition of the Bail Bench Book. Who
23:17
Speaker 2: would have known there was such a thing published by
23:19
Speaker 2: the Judicial College of Victoria. It shows that Labour's changes
23:23
Speaker 2: to bail laws will do absolutely nothing. It's an official
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Speaker 2: guide provided to judges and magistrates on how to applay
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Speaker 2: the law in practice. This is in the middle of
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Speaker 2: a crime crisis, and basically what it says, Carrely is
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Speaker 2: don't send youngsters to jail.
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Speaker 1: That's not going to help them in their lives.
23:42
Speaker 9: Well, Price, I do have to say it is incredible timing.
23:46
Speaker 9: But just a couple of hours ago, as you would know,
23:47
Speaker 9: you did that wonderful interview in July with the thirty
23:50
Speaker 9: three year old lovely Indian man Surabai Anund who had
23:54
Speaker 9: his hand with the shabe.
23:56
Speaker 1: Well good almost.
23:56
Speaker 9: Okay, and I'm sure you'll know this our viewers won't
23:59
Speaker 9: go But four ten year old boy that was accused
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Speaker 9: and charged with doing it, he has been released on
24:06
Speaker 9: bail as of a couple of hours ago because the
24:09
Speaker 9: magistrate believes that it isn't the best long term protection
24:14
Speaker 9: for the community, long prem protection have this little fourteen
24:17
Speaker 9: year old so and so out on bail. Mister Anand
24:21
Speaker 9: is absolutely distraught this evening. And apparently it is alleged
24:26
Speaker 9: that the fourteen year old has made a series of
24:30
Speaker 9: alleged assaults and things to the staff and also people
24:35
Speaker 9: that are on bail at Parkville. Now, you cannot make
24:38
Speaker 9: this stuff up and coming on the front, as you
24:41
Speaker 9: said of what this bail Bench book is all about.
24:45
Speaker 9: You have to the government, you've got to think of
24:47
Speaker 9: mandatory minimum sentencing. It's got to come in.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's not going to come in, Daniel here with
24:53
Speaker 2: this government, is it. I mean, we've got the most socialist,
24:56
Speaker 2: left leaning state government in the country and they we
25:00
Speaker 2: see this stuff as the heart of what they do.
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Speaker 10: Where exactly right. There's a couple of things here. Firstly,
25:06
Speaker 10: this is the consequence of appointing these left wing activist judges.
25:09
Speaker 10: So now the government can't even do what it says
25:11
Speaker 10: it's going to do because of the judges they themselves
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Speaker 10: have appointed. Well, this is what happens. The other point
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Speaker 10: writing in the handbook is that it says that special
25:18
Speaker 10: considerations should be given to Aboriginal children in this which
25:22
Speaker 10: is shocking because what that basically means is that you
25:24
Speaker 10: can have two people, two children, committing the same crime,
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Speaker 10: but because one of them has a different race or
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Speaker 10: background to another, there'll be different consequences.
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Speaker 2: This is where this all started because we had that
25:34
Speaker 2: incident with an Indigenous woman on a train headed to Melbourne.
25:38
Speaker 2: She was taken off the train because she was intoxicated
25:42
Speaker 2: and she was put into a police sell and tragically died.
25:46
Speaker 2: And from that moment onward, this government decided to treat
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Speaker 2: Indigenous Victorians in the courts with crime completely different to
25:55
Speaker 2: everyone else.
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Speaker 10: And it's completely inconsistent with everything about our legal system,
25:59
Speaker 10: which is that regardless of your race, your gender, your ethnicity,
26:02
Speaker 10: your background, if you've committed a crime, you need to
26:04
Speaker 10: be held accountable for that. Now, yes, there can be
26:07
Speaker 10: mitigating circumstances of different kinds of degrees. But if we're
26:10
Speaker 10: going to have a situation like we're developing in Victoria,
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Speaker 10: where there's different crimes for different consequences for people based
26:16
Speaker 10: upon their race, well we've fallen very far.
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Speaker 9: Look Pricey and Daniel. We know that there are eleven
26:21
Speaker 9: hundred young offenders aged between ten and seventeen. The crime
26:24
Speaker 9: stats came out for Victoria, the absolute worst on record.
26:28
Speaker 9: These eleven hundred young youth repeat offenders are responsible for
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Speaker 9: seventy percent of the crime in Victoria. And this revolving
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Speaker 9: door of bail. I just don't understand why magistrates don't
26:40
Speaker 9: get it.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't understand. Well, they're doing the government's bidding.
26:44
Speaker 9: I mean, you know that there's a couple of b I've.
26:46
Speaker 1: Got to ask, where's the parents of these kids? Well,
26:48
Speaker 1: this is it.
26:49
Speaker 9: They can't rewards a mistake.
26:50
Speaker 2: And why there was a case this where where a
26:53
Speaker 2: kid got bails and going overseas holiday.
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Speaker 1: With his bearents.
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Speaker 9: So that's the other thing I mean. Magistrate Brett Sonnett
26:59
Speaker 9: has come out and he is a very brave one
27:01
Speaker 9: to come out and say that when he was a
27:03
Speaker 9: young lawyer, one of his clients was eighteen years old,
27:06
Speaker 9: clean record, got three years jail for stealing white goods.
27:10
Speaker 9: That's about twenty five years ago. Three years and then
27:13
Speaker 9: he applied to get a lighter sentence than the judge
27:15
Speaker 9: noted it off by a month. But he's actually saying
27:18
Speaker 9: he fears the people that come before him. But he's
27:21
Speaker 9: the only one that is speaking out.
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Speaker 1: So I took out of the country for three weeks
27:25
Speaker 1: and I come back and nothing. It's the same, Daniel.
27:28
Speaker 2: Let's talk about isis the brides. I'm completely confused by
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Speaker 2: what happened in senate estimates. Have a look at the
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Speaker 2: questioning yesterday around this matter.
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Speaker 3: Have any applications for siszenship by descent been processed for
27:41
Speaker 3: people in Syria?
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Speaker 1: The Department has received applications and processed them consistent with
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Speaker 1: our legislative requirements. Right, thank you? How many we processed
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Speaker 1: two applications?
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Speaker 2: I mean, Patterson's doing great job. But these public servants
28:02
Speaker 2: just stonewall.
28:03
Speaker 1: They don't tell you anything that's right.
28:04
Speaker 10: And this is why I trust in our government and
28:06
Speaker 10: in our systems of government is falling down when you
28:09
Speaker 10: see non answers like that, and we see it time
28:10
Speaker 10: and time again in Senate estimates. I think the broader
28:13
Speaker 10: as you hear Steve is. This whole thing with the
28:15
Speaker 10: Isis Brides is another example of how the migration system
28:19
Speaker 10: is being run largely for domestic political considerations, not in
28:22
Speaker 10: the end.
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Speaker 2: We saw those images of Tony Burke out at the
28:25
Speaker 2: airport celebrating the arrival of people.
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Speaker 10: Well that's right, and there was a rushing through of
28:29
Speaker 10: citizenship before the election. And look what Senator Price said
28:33
Speaker 10: that immigration system has political consequences. Well doesn't this prove
28:37
Speaker 10: that point that was made?
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Speaker 2: It does prove this point. And I mean, as the public,
28:43
Speaker 2: we deserve to know the detail of this. I mean
28:46
Speaker 2: they're going on about oh there's been no repatriation. Well
28:49
Speaker 2: these people got out of serious somehow. I got into
28:51
Speaker 2: Lebanon and suddenly ended up with passports and DNA tists
28:54
Speaker 2: on their children to prove that they were their children.
28:57
Speaker 2: The women's passports would have expired, so that means the
29:02
Speaker 2: government hill doesn't it.
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Speaker 10: Well, that's the only logical conclusion. And look again, I
29:06
Speaker 10: think the issue here is not only do you have
29:08
Speaker 10: this particular matter with the Issis price, but it comes
29:10
Speaker 10: on the back of this record surgeon to the number
29:12
Speaker 10: of migrants that have come into Australia, which is not
29:15
Speaker 10: in the interests of our community and doesn't have its support.
29:17
Speaker 10: And also don't forget the massive breakdown in social cohesion
29:20
Speaker 10: that we've seen. So it's just one thing on top
29:22
Speaker 10: of another.
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Speaker 2: Curly, our old mate, the Lord Mayor Nick Greece, he's
29:25
Speaker 2: been in China and he's recreated Daniel Andrews infamous Teneman
29:29
Speaker 2: Square photo on his mobile phone, a dumb.
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Speaker 1: Move in my view.
29:35
Speaker 2: He's called it cheeky political satire. The problem, Karely is
29:38
Speaker 2: we don't ever have never known what Andrews did in China.
29:43
Speaker 9: And that's it. And also the other thing is this
29:45
Speaker 9: is a trip by Lord Mayor of Melbourne on our
29:48
Speaker 9: taxpayer dollar. Well, what's he doing rate payers dollar, but
29:51
Speaker 9: you know, where's the investment coming back? What's he actually
29:54
Speaker 9: doing for Melbourne? Melbourn's got enough problems. He really didn't
29:57
Speaker 9: need to take the trip over there. It's not really
29:59
Speaker 9: necess Three. We need to be able to get the
30:02
Speaker 9: confidence in Melbourne, the safety, the security, the graffiti, no
30:06
Speaker 9: matter what it is, because I'll tell you what the
30:08
Speaker 9: image going out to China and the rest of the
30:10
Speaker 9: world a lot of students here. Melbourne and Victoria is
30:14
Speaker 9: not a safe place.
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Speaker 1: He shouldn't have been there.
30:16
Speaker 10: Should he should not have been there? And this is
30:19
Speaker 10: another failure of Nicholas Reese. Don't forget this is the
30:22
Speaker 10: guy who said lockdowns were good for Melbourne, right, this
30:24
Speaker 10: is what he thinks. This is a guy who has
30:26
Speaker 10: a Melbourne or a council voice to Parliament, which is
30:29
Speaker 10: divided the city by race, and he won't even fly
30:32
Speaker 10: the Australian flag, who refused to stump up a measly
30:34
Speaker 10: couple hundred thousand dollars to fix up one of the
30:36
Speaker 10: massive flags that we have, but he's happy to spend
30:38
Speaker 10: the money and go over to China. I mean, this
30:40
Speaker 10: guy is a complete and total joke. We need someone to.
30:42
Speaker 1: Do nothing in what he promised when you lead up
30:44
Speaker 1: to him.
30:45
Speaker 10: Look at the homelessness, the graffiti, the crime, everything that's around.
30:48
Speaker 10: Have things.
30:49
Speaker 1: Get a better reading squad. They're going to be there
30:50
Speaker 1: in ten minutes and clear it all up.
30:52
Speaker 10: Apparently we're going to swim in the era by twenty fifty, right,
30:55
Speaker 10: that'll fix.
30:55
Speaker 9: And apparently there are security guards going around. He promises
30:58
Speaker 9: squad of twenty or thirty, and there's only ten. And
31:00
Speaker 9: they don't have the powers of a restaurant.
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Speaker 2: I've ever seen one of them, never seen one of them. Keroly,
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Daniel, thank you very much for your time.
31:08
Speaker 2: I want to go to the UK now. Sophie Illsworth
31:10
Speaker 2: has been there today, she's been all across the Conservative
31:15
Speaker 2: Party annual Conference.
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Speaker 1: Of All People. Tony Abbott was there, Sophie, welcome.
31:23
Speaker 2: What's our ex prime minister been telling the Conservative Party
31:27
Speaker 2: about their boat people problem.
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Speaker 11: Great to be with you, Steve Goes in Manchester this week.
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Speaker 12: Our former Prime minister Tony Abbott there was speaking to
31:37
Speaker 12: the crowd at the conference and saying the success that
31:41
Speaker 12: he had had with stopping the boats in Australia and
31:44
Speaker 12: how the UK really needs to get tough on this
31:47
Speaker 12: problem because the labor government here has not been able
31:52
Speaker 12: to stop the arrival of illegal migrants, and also the
31:55
Speaker 12: issues we've been part of the European Convention of Human
31:59
Speaker 12: Rights BAT and not.
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Speaker 11: The Conservative leader has said.
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Speaker 12: That the UK will withdraw from this if she's to
32:06
Speaker 12: win office. So Tony Abbott made some very interesting points
32:10
Speaker 12: there that the crowd is interesting because it's turned to
32:14
Speaker 12: him because he did have that success in Australia as
32:17
Speaker 12: we know.
32:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a listen to his advice on what
32:23
Speaker 2: he would do if he was running the UK to
32:25
Speaker 2: stop those flood of illegal migrants coming across the channel.
32:29
Speaker 13: You could certainly pick up people in the English Channel,
32:34
Speaker 13: hold them on some kind of a mothership and send
32:37
Speaker 13: them back to the land from which they've come on
32:40
Speaker 13: some quiet.
32:42
Speaker 6: And moonless night.
32:43
Speaker 13: And I think there are all sorts of things that
32:45
Speaker 13: a determined governance could do to absolutely stop these boats
32:49
Speaker 13: once and for all.
32:51
Speaker 2: So if you're given the popularity now of Nigel Faraj
32:55
Speaker 2: and his party, he's way ahead in the polls. I mean,
32:58
Speaker 2: the Conservatives have spent their time having their annual conference,
33:02
Speaker 2: but what chance ever of them getting back as a
33:06
Speaker 2: standalone party the government in the UK.
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Speaker 12: Well, I think these things obviously come and go, Steve.
33:16
Speaker 12: Obviously governments come in and they get tossed out, and
33:21
Speaker 12: this has happened, you know, since day dot. But look,
33:24
Speaker 12: Reform UK are no doubt the favorites to win the
33:27
Speaker 12: next general election here. But it is four years away, Steve,
33:30
Speaker 12: It's not till twenty twenty nine.
33:32
Speaker 11: But Nigel Farage has the momentum. He has his stance
33:36
Speaker 11: on the illegal migration issue, saying that if you are
33:39
Speaker 11: illegal and you'll arrive here illegally, you'll be tossed out
33:42
Speaker 11: of the country of pe Wing's office.
33:43
Speaker 12: He's been very firm on this and consequently the Conservatives
33:47
Speaker 12: and the Labor a government here are constantly talking about
33:50
Speaker 12: Nigel Farage because they know he is the biggest threat
33:54
Speaker 12: to both of them, particularly the Labor government.
33:56
Speaker 11: Come that next election in four years time.
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Speaker 2: Does that new Conservative leader in pressure? When you see
34:03
Speaker 2: her speak and see her up close, there's no doubt.
34:08
Speaker 12: Kemmy Betanok is under pressure. I don't think she'd be
34:11
Speaker 12: there in twelve months. I think you know, she's struggling
34:14
Speaker 12: in the polls. There was a poll out the other
34:16
Speaker 12: day in half of her own voters don't want her
34:19
Speaker 12: to be leader. So there's a lot of Conservative voters
34:22
Speaker 12: who do not have faith in kemmy Bedanof. But she
34:24
Speaker 12: does have an awfully tough job because the Conservative government
34:28
Speaker 12: here in the UK had fourteen years in office. They've
34:31
Speaker 12: now been tossed out a year ago and they're saying
34:34
Speaker 12: they'll fix all these problems that they had ample time
34:37
Speaker 12: to do when they were in office.
34:39
Speaker 11: So I think she has an incredibly tough job.
34:41
Speaker 12: But there's no doubt that the Justice Shadow Justice Secretary
34:45
Speaker 12: Robert Jenrick is the favorite to take over from her
34:48
Speaker 12: if she is voted out.
34:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, her position sounds a little bit like Susan Lee
34:55
Speaker 2: to me, Sophie, great for your time, thank you all
34:59
Speaker 2: the way there from and Sophie Ellsworth and we'll talk
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Speaker 2: to her.
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Speaker 1: Peter will talk to her again next week.
35:04
Speaker 2: Half the break, I'll hatch up one of the people
35:06
Speaker 2: involved in that court case put a stop to the
35:09
Speaker 2: Opera House protest, Alex Rifchin, welcome back and God help
35:19
Speaker 2: the decision of the New South Wales Court of Appeal today.
35:23
Speaker 2: I mean it could have gone the other way, but
35:25
Speaker 2: sadly the people who wanted to march are now being
35:28
Speaker 2: told Nope, you can't go to the Opera House, and
35:30
Speaker 2: I think that was a perfect decision to make. New
35:33
Speaker 2: South Wales Court of Appeal has said the planned protest
35:36
Speaker 2: at the Opera House will not go ahead. Joining me now,
35:39
Speaker 2: co CEO of the Executive Council of Australian Jury, Alex Riftchin,
35:44
Speaker 2: I can't believe, Alex, that anyone could have been so
35:49
Speaker 2: blissfully unaware of what's happened since October seven to even
35:53
Speaker 2: contemplate going there for any purpose.
35:59
Speaker 14: Well, the these activists know exactly what happened, because they
36:02
Speaker 14: are the ones that applied for the permit two days
36:05
Speaker 14: after the October seven atrocity, and then we all saw
36:08
Speaker 14: those deplorable, shameful scenes of violence, of burning flags of
36:14
Speaker 14: chance against our community, and they want to replicate it.
36:17
Speaker 14: They want to keep this going, keep this momentum going.
36:20
Speaker 14: These are people who claim to be peace activists, but
36:22
Speaker 14: they're war activists. They don't support the peace plan which
36:25
Speaker 14: is being signed outside the courtroom today. Your colleague, can
36:28
Speaker 14: he heatly ask the question, now that there's a ceasefire,
36:31
Speaker 14: why do you feel this needs to keep protesting? But
36:33
Speaker 14: they intend to. They intend to keep going and depleting
36:37
Speaker 14: the public offers and depleting our social harmony and social
36:41
Speaker 14: capital in this country, and they had to be stopped.
36:44
Speaker 14: And we're fortunate that, as you said, the court made
36:46
Speaker 14: the right decision, that the police pressed the case. My
36:49
Speaker 14: community was able to join and make our voices heard,
36:52
Speaker 14: and hopefully a line has been drawn and hopefully we
36:54
Speaker 14: can move towards healing as a country and scale back
36:59
Speaker 14: these protests which have degraded our country week upon week
37:02
Speaker 14: and done so at the public expense.
37:06
Speaker 2: What worries me, Alexis I mean, you know, we all
37:08
Speaker 2: can celebrate the peace deal and hopefully is going to
37:12
Speaker 2: hold in Gaza between Israeli and the Palestinians. But these
37:18
Speaker 2: social activists that are at the core of these marches,
37:22
Speaker 2: predominantly Melbourne and Sydney, they won't give up. I mean,
37:27
Speaker 2: they just they hate Jewish people, they hate the fact
37:31
Speaker 2: some of them do. I mean, some of them hate
37:33
Speaker 2: Jewish people, some of them are anti Semitic. They just
37:35
Speaker 2: want to march wearing kefirs and holding Palestinian flags.
37:41
Speaker 1: That's the purpose of their life.
37:43
Speaker 2: They're not going to go away, are they.
37:46
Speaker 14: No, You're right, and they define themselves by this, and
37:49
Speaker 14: it has nothing to do with the Middle East, because
37:52
Speaker 14: they know, even with their narrow minds, they must know
37:55
Speaker 14: that what they do here has no bearing whatsoever on
37:58
Speaker 14: what transpires is the past in territories. They do this
38:01
Speaker 14: for their own emotional nourishment. They chant their chance. They
38:05
Speaker 14: hold to a very extreme ideology which is not only
38:08
Speaker 14: anti Semitic and anti Zionist, but it's broadly anti Western,
38:12
Speaker 14: which is why they never have the Australian flag except
38:14
Speaker 14: to burn it. And they want to cause this disruption.
38:18
Speaker 14: They knew, they had to have known that to go
38:21
Speaker 14: to the fore court of the Opera House not only
38:22
Speaker 14: would again threaten our community and destabilize our society, but
38:27
Speaker 14: it's fundamentally dangerous, as the court found. You've got an
38:29
Speaker 14: area where maximum five thousand people can be and they
38:32
Speaker 14: want to have a mass protest there and risk a
38:35
Speaker 14: crush and endanger the police and buystanders as well. But
38:38
Speaker 14: they don't care, and they don't care how much money
38:41
Speaker 14: costs us. They don't care how many lives the loss
38:43
Speaker 14: as a result of it, how much incitement has made
38:45
Speaker 14: And they have spent the last two years week on
38:48
Speaker 14: week online and on our streets, demonizing my community, chanting
38:54
Speaker 14: about death, calling us terrorists and all these things. And
38:57
Speaker 14: we see the result of this in terms of higher
39:00
Speaker 14: security cost social cohesion programs which need to be funded
39:03
Speaker 14: to try to scale back what these people have done
39:05
Speaker 14: in the first place. So hopefully we're going to see
39:08
Speaker 14: an end to this, but it's going to take a
39:10
Speaker 14: wider public discussion. I think about the bounds a freedom
39:13
Speaker 14: of protest, it's not an unlimited right.
39:17
Speaker 2: Alex, what's your reaction to this potential piece deal that
39:20
Speaker 2: we all hope gets across the line.
39:26
Speaker 14: Well, look, this is what we've been praying for and
39:28
Speaker 14: hoping for for two years, and this has been accomplished.
39:31
Speaker 14: We've gotten to this point because of American diplomatic power
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Speaker 14: and Israeli sacrifice and military power. Without that, we would
39:39
Speaker 14: not be in this position. How Mus have no doubt
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Speaker 14: they're cornered. They're isolated both on the battlefield and in
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Speaker 14: the international community. And it is credited situation in which
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Speaker 14: the hostages can come home in one hit rather than
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Speaker 14: through phased exchanges, which was always spoken about before. How Mus,
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Speaker 14: we'll have to accept that they have no future to
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Speaker 14: play in Gaza and this will be a capitulation by
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Speaker 14: them and a great victory which I hope will make
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Speaker 14: the region more peaceful. I hope you will see the
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Speaker 14: onset of a genuine fraternity between the states of the
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Speaker 14: region who are sick of war, who are sick of
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Speaker 14: humas terrorism, and just want to build things and make progress.
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Speaker 14: And that's why they found an able partner in Donald
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Speaker 14: Trump and also Prime Mensinyaho. We hope this holds, and
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Speaker 14: we hope that in the next couple of days all
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Speaker 14: the hostages come home and the founilies can begin to heal.
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Speaker 2: Well done in court today. Thank you, Alex. Will talk
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Speaker 2: to you again soon. Now, coming up after the break,
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Speaker 2: I'll get my panel's reaction to Donald Trump's historic Gaza
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Speaker 2: piece of deal. Plus a former prime minister warns abandoning
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Speaker 2: Taiwan to a Chinese invasion would have dire consequences for
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Speaker 2: the rest of the world.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to price with you.
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Speaker 2: What today it's been in international news, It's been extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: I think some of the images we saw today, particularly that.
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Speaker 1: Note being handed to Donald Trump and Marco.
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Speaker 2: Rubio, the Secretary of State, whispering in his ear, those
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Speaker 2: pictures will live on forever. They will be very famous
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Speaker 2: for a long time Scote News contributor Kosher Gota and
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Speaker 2: pasture of the Parliament Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael
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Speaker 2: Danbia in the studio with us.
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Speaker 1: Let's begin with the deal. So, Michael, will it hold?
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Speaker 1: Will it work?
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Speaker 14: Well?
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Speaker 15: I think Sheridan's right. Even if the minimal part of
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Speaker 15: the hostage release and the ceasefire takes place, that's a
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Speaker 15: big benefit to the rest of the world. But as
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Speaker 15: Australia ever going to be the same after this, We've
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Speaker 15: had interminable demonstrations, burning down of child kiss sinners and synagogues,
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Speaker 15: you know, and now we've got these people in the
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Speaker 15: court who want to fight to the last Palestinian. Thank Heavens,
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Speaker 15: the Court stood up to them this time. But my
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Speaker 15: question is that Trump's good. Let's hope it takes place.
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Speaker 15: But in Australia, will we ever recover from this bitterness?
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Speaker 2: I don't think we will, and I think it's too
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Speaker 2: high to go back. We'll get onto that in the moment, Kaush,
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Speaker 2: what did you make of that? Those amazing pitches that
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Speaker 2: I just described.
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Speaker 1: I mean, in history, there are moments, you know.
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Speaker 2: George Bush on the aircraft carrier saying job done or
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Speaker 2: being whispering and easy when September eleven. Ha, No, we
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Speaker 2: can on al so I can nominate hundreds of those things.
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Speaker 1: But what did you make of it?
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Speaker 16: I think, as you say historic, Donald Trump understands media
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Speaker 16: and iconography better than anybody, so I think he while
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Speaker 16: it was happening in real time. I think he was
42:30
Speaker 16: well aware of that moment, and I think the White
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Speaker 16: House released other photos when he was later taking a
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Speaker 16: phone call. And you know, all of those things are
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Speaker 16: definitely going to be in the history books if it
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Speaker 16: sticks to your earlier question. I think you know everybody's
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Speaker 16: worried about that because the world has been burned before.
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Speaker 16: But that's the other part of Trump and his brand
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Speaker 16: of deal making and sort of the business side to it,
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Speaker 16: that there are very specific tangible things that are different
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Speaker 16: getting the hostages out, having an off ramp, amnisphere exile
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Speaker 16: for hamas leadership to as a way to reduce the
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Speaker 16: likelihood of them resisting, having reconstruction in play, like, all
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Speaker 16: of those things are a little bit different and new
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Speaker 16: and hopefully they work. There's a lot of wood to
43:06
Speaker 16: chop sail before we can see that's a lot of
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Speaker 16: wood chop.
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Speaker 2: What about Hamas now, Michael, I mean, what happens with them?
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Speaker 2: I mean they're basically been decimated at the top. Their
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Speaker 2: leaderships will been taken out by the IDF, Their ammunition
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Speaker 2: and weaponry must be very diminished.
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Speaker 15: Even more than that, Steve the Gunny.
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Speaker 2: They've given up their Trump card though, also the hostages,
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Speaker 2: they've got no bargaining parent him.
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Speaker 15: Katara is sitting very hard on them because of that
43:34
Speaker 15: Israeli raid on Qatar. It was not successful, but the
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Speaker 15: Donald regards Katara as very important, and Katara sucking up
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Speaker 15: to him like the Turks and the Saudis are. And
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Speaker 15: they will deprive these people of their money. So there's
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Speaker 15: a very bad future ahead for Trump. Let's hope there's
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Speaker 15: a good future ahead for the Palestinians in Israelis in
43:54
Speaker 15: that area and for the whole Abraham Kash.
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Speaker 2: When you look at that place, I mean you see
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Speaker 2: all of those drone fit pictures, there's nothing left. I mean,
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Speaker 2: how do you rebuild that and how do people live there? Well,
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Speaker 2: the rebuild takes place, and it's one thing to have,
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Speaker 2: and thank god it will happen, hopefully that the conflict
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Speaker 2: the war, the killing is over. How do you rebuild
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Speaker 2: something like that?
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Speaker 16: That's why in the twenty point plan the points that
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Speaker 16: are about reconstruction was so the seminal tiny Blair yes,
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Speaker 16: the peace board and he will chair at Trump Tony
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Speaker 16: Blairs involved other leaders from that region and Arab regions.
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Speaker 16: They haven't released other names yet, so there's an oversight mechanism.
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Speaker 16: There will be some sort of funding. You know, he's
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Speaker 16: joked like the Riviera on Ghaz and all that. He
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Speaker 16: jokes about that. But I do think behind a rejoke,
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Speaker 16: but Trump, there is a signaling that there is reconstruction
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Speaker 16: is very vital to that. But you're right, you are
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Speaker 16: really starting from the rubble over here, and it is
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Speaker 16: not going to be easy.
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Speaker 15: I wouldn't like to be an Indonesian peacekeeper who was
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Speaker 15: going in there to be part of his international peace wars.
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Speaker 1: Do you think we will send peacekeepers? If Blair asks.
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Speaker 15: No, I think part of our I know nothing about
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Speaker 15: the whole world. Elbow will be consistent. We don't increase
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Speaker 15: our defense expenditure. We can't mention the word China, and
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Speaker 15: we give a to you too late.
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Speaker 2: It wouldn't it if Trump or Blair or Trump and
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Speaker 2: Blair get on the phone, or when Albanese is in
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Speaker 2: the White House that Donald Trump says, Okay, we're going
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Speaker 2: to put this peacekeeping force together. You're you're a major
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Speaker 2: ally of ours. You've been with us in every conflict
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Speaker 2: since World War One? How many you're sending?
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Speaker 1: I mean where with.
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Speaker 15: All Steve, we haven't got the word with all our
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Speaker 15: army is so deplayed.
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Speaker 1: He's not going to listen to that.
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Speaker 2: He's going to say, it's going to be I want
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Speaker 2: one hundred Australian peacekeepers, coach. We could this could be
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Speaker 2: really blow up in Albanese's face.
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Speaker 16: It could and he will not be shy. I think
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Speaker 16: to play that card. There's negotiations that are still happening,
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Speaker 16: for sure. It is also tricky that people can get
45:50
Speaker 16: sucked into this region that we know is very, very difficult.
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Speaker 16: So it is That's why I say there's a lot
45:54
Speaker 16: of wood to chop. It's going to get very complicated.
45:56
Speaker 16: But if he starts to demand that he wants us
45:58
Speaker 16: to be an international body, imagine that Australia certainly would
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Speaker 16: be in.
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Speaker 2: And where does it leave this coalition of the willing
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Speaker 2: that all said they wanted to recognize Palestine, Canada, the UK, Australia,
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Speaker 2: whoever else.
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Speaker 15: Will just shows you how useless they all were.
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Speaker 2: But as they will now say that us doing that
46:17
Speaker 2: has precipitated part of this deal going through.
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Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to claim.
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Speaker 15: What nonsense. Rubio said that when they were trying to
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Speaker 15: negotiate the earliest ceasefire, that France and Australia and Canada
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Speaker 15: and UK's announcements actually stopped the ceasfire because I must
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Speaker 15: thought they'd get advantage by not doing that. We have
46:36
Speaker 15: played almost no role in all this, all creditors due
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Speaker 15: to the Americans and Australia and the four countries. We
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Speaker 15: have a real problem after this because no one in
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Speaker 15: the Middle East is going to take us seriously.
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Speaker 1: And where does this go? This so called recognition of Palestine.
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Speaker 16: Now, I mean those things tend to be fluid because
46:54
Speaker 16: it's a symbolic gesture on paper, and if different administrations
46:57
Speaker 16: come in and want to reverse course, they can. But
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Speaker 16: I do think that it is, whether we like it
47:02
Speaker 16: or not, a reflection of just where the electorates, and
47:04
Speaker 16: a lot of those countries are because of immigration other things.
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Speaker 16: Young people now coming.
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Speaker 1: To the world deadlight kosher.
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Speaker 15: It's virtue signaling to constituencies in Australia, not actually real
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Speaker 15: politic in that part of the.
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Speaker 2: R you've been senior in government. Why is the government
47:19
Speaker 2: trying to be so secretive about these Isis brides coming
47:22
Speaker 2: back to them because it's.
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Speaker 15: An electoral embarrassment, just as having the three thousand people
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Speaker 15: from Gaza is an embarrassment. You have to see this
47:30
Speaker 15: as a picture of the part of their useless Middle
47:33
Speaker 15: East policy. They don't really engage seriously with the issues.
47:38
Speaker 15: They're interested in virtue signaling. How could the minister go
47:41
Speaker 15: to the airport and greet those Gazans without them all
47:46
Speaker 15: having a proper security clearance because there was no because
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Speaker 15: there was he hoped there was no media coverage. I mean,
47:53
Speaker 15: if the average ass he wakes up to what these
47:55
Speaker 15: people's policies are in this area, they'll be they'll be
47:58
Speaker 15: against it. That's why so secretive.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how can they say that there's been no
48:02
Speaker 2: help in repatriation they had These people hadn't been given.
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Speaker 1: Passports DNA DNA.
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Speaker 2: They had to be found flights Presumably we the taxplayer
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Speaker 2: didn't pay for the flights, but there's so much that
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Speaker 2: we don't know about this that I just I find
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Speaker 2: it unbelievable. Kosher, Michael, thank you for coming. I appreciate
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Speaker 2: it very much. Well, as today has been an extraordinary
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Speaker 2: day in world history. There's no doubt about that. As
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Speaker 2: I said to Kosher and Michael, those pitchers will live
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Speaker 2: on forever. You'll see them replayed over and over and
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Speaker 2: over again, with Donald Trump being handed that piece of
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Speaker 2: paper by Marco Rubio. James McPherson's up next for Andrew