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The Creation of (and Backlash Against) Father's Day · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: All right, well as you are, as you are probably
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  Speaker 1: aware by the nature of the title. Here, folks, in
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  Speaker 1: typical ridiculous history fashion, we are are celebrating a holiday
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  Speaker 1: after it happens.
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  Speaker 3: Only a couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: Though. We're getting closer.
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  Speaker 3: And to get all time you want me about it,
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  Speaker 3: recording it well before the holiday. The holiday falls this
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  Speaker 3: coming Sunday. We're recording this on a Thursday, and you'll
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  Speaker 3: be hearing it on a Tuesday. Wrap your brain around
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  Speaker 3: that this.
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  Speaker 1: Is the world in which we live, and this is
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  Speaker 1: a holiday that is I think it's the pepsi to
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  Speaker 1: the coca cola that is Mother's Day. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was a well meaning idea that wasn't immediately adopted
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  Speaker 3: until people figured out how they could make a buck
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  Speaker 3: off of it, that's right, and then followed by backlash
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  Speaker 3: against those well meaning aforementioned well meaning folks.
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  Speaker 1: It's father's yes, bless their hearts. Indeed, Noel as as
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  Speaker 1: a father. I think you were telling me off air
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  Speaker 1: that you forgot about the holiday until until your family
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  Speaker 1: reminded you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, isn't that as it should be?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 3: What am I going to be counting down the day
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  Speaker 3: as to Father's Day? Where's my whatever you get on
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  Speaker 3: Father's Day in my card? I'm not petty that I'm
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  Speaker 3: petty in other ways, tie would be good. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a tie guy. Though, maybe a money clip.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you could get into cravats.
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  Speaker 3: There you go. Isn't that the same thing as It's.
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  Speaker 1: Just like it's a fancier but somehow lazier.
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  Speaker 3: What's the short time ascot the Fred wears on Scooby
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  Speaker 3: Doo oh Ascott?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could get it, asked Scott. That's definitely a choice.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta say, though, Father's Day. It's funny because, like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people, I don't think we really explore
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  Speaker 1: the history. Most times you just remember, oh that day's
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  Speaker 1: coming up, and you remember it like right before at
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  Speaker 1: least I.
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  Speaker 3: Usually because Google changes their looks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was informed that I will be taken to a
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  Speaker 3: brunch on Sunday, the Father's Day, And I honestly, they
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  Speaker 3: said it like as though I was supposed to know
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  Speaker 3: when that was going to be. And I had no
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  Speaker 3: idea because I needed to put it in my calendar
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  Speaker 3: to some degree. And I just think they gave you
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  Speaker 3: the date, and there it is, and I'll show up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh good, your presence is the present. Yeah. So okay,
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  Speaker 1: as we as we learned with Mother's Day, you described
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  Speaker 1: that heartbreaking kind of commonality they have. Father's Day is
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  Speaker 1: kind of recent too, I guess, in the grand scheme
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  Speaker 1: of things, I thought for a long time I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was like an early eighteen hundreds day.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think I had much of a concept for it.
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  Speaker 3: I just always lumped it in with kind of the
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  Speaker 3: greeting card holidays of the world, you know. Woodrow Wilson,
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  Speaker 3: as we mentioned in the Mother's Day episode, described Mother's
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  Speaker 3: Day or as a way to recognize that tender, gentle army,
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  Speaker 3: the mothers of America. And it turns out part of
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  Speaker 3: the backlash around make a Father's Day a thing was
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  Speaker 3: that it was like two, like it was it was
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  Speaker 3: for girls.
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  Speaker 1: I will not be recognized by my family.
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  Speaker 3: I will be recognized by my labors and the slit
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  Speaker 3: of my brow.
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  Speaker 1: You shall have one firm handshake upon your eighteenth.
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  Speaker 3: Birthday, and then we will never speak again exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's weird. People said, well, this feels kind
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  Speaker 1: of effeminate because we have this association with Mother's Day.
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  Speaker 1: It came first, did come first? Did come first? And
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  Speaker 1: Father's Day then became an interesting concept that not everybody
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  Speaker 1: was on board with. We know that people were trying
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  Speaker 1: to make Father's Day a thing in the early nineteen hundreds,
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  Speaker 1: I think in West Virginia in nineteen oh eight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were really trying to make fetch happen Father's Day. Fairmont,
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  Speaker 3: West Virginia, July fifth, nineteen oh eight. Grace Golden Clayton
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  Speaker 3: love fabulous old timy name, suggested to a local Methodist
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  Speaker 3: minister that services be held to commemorate and celebrate the
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  Speaker 3: fathers who lost their lives in a deadly mind explosion.
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  Speaker 1: Hundreds of dude, three hundred and sixty one dude. So
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  Speaker 1: this is this is a very well intentioned thing, as
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  Speaker 1: you said, but it's coming out of a tragedy.
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  Speaker 3: Could have made it just a memorial for the thing
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  Speaker 3: you not necessarily have to lump in all fathers here.
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  Speaker 3: But again, good intentions, good inten but a little a
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  Speaker 3: little weird. Just it feels like maybe that wasn't going
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  Speaker 3: to stick.
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  Speaker 1: And it sounds like different local communities had their own
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  Speaker 1: kind of Father's Day esque things for a while, just
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  Speaker 1: like in the case of Mother's Day, there was this
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  Speaker 1: unofficial push to make it a national holiday that occurred
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  Speaker 1: on the same day for everyone across the nation. And
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  Speaker 1: a guy that we are going to cover in an
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  Speaker 1: upcoming episode, William Jennings Bryant, w Yeah. Yeah, he was
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  Speaker 1: a huge Father's Day fan. He was saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you think that's effeminate for kids to love their parents,
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  Speaker 1: then you got work to do.
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  Speaker 3: That's more of a you things.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a NUS thing.
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  Speaker 2: Also touched the silver Also, I have to backtrack, guys,
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  Speaker 2: because we mentioned Woodrow Wilson and I didn't say anything,
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  Speaker 2: all right, Woodrow Wilson, go fuck yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not a great guy, boyhood home. I've already mentioned
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  Speaker 3: all that stuff. Here's another president though, with a cool
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  Speaker 3: nickname that I was not aware of. We've we've got Woodrow,
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  Speaker 3: go fuck yourself, Wilson, and then we've got Calvin Silent
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  Speaker 3: cal Coolidge. Did you ever heard that all before? I
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  Speaker 3: haven't heard me.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard silent Cal which is but I do
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  Speaker 1: know why he has the nickname. He's a famously uh yeah, taciturn,
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  Speaker 1: famously terse guy. One time and Max you know this
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  Speaker 1: story too. Uh, he was at Coolidge was at a
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  Speaker 1: party Silent Cal and someone said, I bet I could
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  Speaker 1: get three words out of you, and he looked at
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  Speaker 1: them and he kind of like, I guess what you
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  Speaker 1: call it in the drag community. He read them and
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  Speaker 1: then he went, you lose.
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  Speaker 2: So there's another story about him, and it's basically so
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  Speaker 2: he became president when Harding died in office Harding's VP.
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  Speaker 2: It was like the last year of Harding's first term,
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  Speaker 2: and he just kind of got re elected because he
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  Speaker 2: was already on there. I yeah, this guy seems fine enough,
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  Speaker 2: but he didn't really have interest in actually being the president.
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  Speaker 2: So I think this story is pretty hypocryphal. But supposedly
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  Speaker 2: he like handed one of his aids and letter and
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  Speaker 2: got in a boat and rowed out into the middle
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  Speaker 2: of a lake, and the letters said I am not
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  Speaker 2: running for reelection. He just rode away and left.
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  Speaker 3: Halijah Calvin wrote, rode the boat ashore. I was thinking
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  Speaker 3: though the three words. Think. He also could have said
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  Speaker 3: go fuck yourself. That would would be But then he
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  Speaker 3: would have lost because he would have said three words,
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  Speaker 3: but it would have been mean. Yeah, it would have
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  Speaker 3: been an own but also like a self owned kind of.
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  Speaker 1: He was like the yin to Churchill's Yang of snarkiness,
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  Speaker 1: who you know, come along later. But silent cal so,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to derailist. That is a really cool nickname.
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  Speaker 1: He was a fan of Father's Day, right, Yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: that's what it takes to get these things to pick
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  Speaker 1: up steam.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta have some high powered supporters. And even though
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  Speaker 3: Silent Cow didn't say a whole lot, maybe you didn't
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  Speaker 3: really want to be president, he did seem to take
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  Speaker 3: the whole Father's Day as a national holiday concept and
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  Speaker 3: run with it, but not enough that it actually happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird because we know Wilson was on board,
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  Speaker 1: Coolidge was on board. But if you look at the
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  Speaker 1: origin story of Father's Day, you see that there are
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  Speaker 1: two stories of when the first legit Father's Day was celebrated.
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  Speaker 1: In some versions of the story, you'll hear about celebration
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  Speaker 1: of Washington State in June nineteenth, nineteen ten, resident of
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  Speaker 1: Spokane with another great name, Sonora Smart Nod.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be that, actually, guy Ben, If I were
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  Speaker 3: a Washingtonian, I would chastise you and say it's actually Spokane, Spokane.
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  Speaker 3: They will come at you for that. Yeah. I only
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  Speaker 3: found out because I did a podcast that was based
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  Speaker 3: in and around I remember that Spokane.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you said someone. I'm going to be in
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  Speaker 2: Spokane later this year.
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  Speaker 3: Well, now you can talk like a local.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you to the good Thank you, Nolan, thank you
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  Speaker 1: to the good people of Spokane. Indeed, so Sonora Smart
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  Speaker 1: Dodd though, that's a good name, fabulous right she Okay,
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  Speaker 1: she was listening to a Mother's Day sermon at a church.
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  Speaker 1: It's nineteen oh nine, and she says, hang on a tick.
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  Speaker 1: Mothers are getting all this praise, and I'm not against mothers,
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  Speaker 1: but I think fathers should get their own day as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, equal time. It's like running for office
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  Speaker 3: right now. Sonora's father was a real man's man, William Smart.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Smart a Civil War veteran, a widower. His wife
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  Speaker 3: had passed during childbirth of their sixth child, as was
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  Speaker 3: much more common in those days. He raised six children
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  Speaker 3: by himself on their farm, on their homestead in Washington State.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I think where you're seeing where we're
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  Speaker 3: going with this here, he's a great example of like, look,
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  Speaker 3: fathers can be mothers too.
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  Speaker 1: Which might have added to the objections. That's a good point. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And she said, you know, my dad's awesome, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to show appreciation for all the hard work he did.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredibly it can be incredibly difficult being a single parent,
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  Speaker 1: especially to six children. So she says, I want to
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  Speaker 1: pay homage to him, but I also want to say
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  Speaker 1: it's for other dads in general, because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I can make me liking my dad specifically. A national
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  Speaker 1: holidays totally.
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  Speaker 3: They definitely could have made the mind explosion that killed
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  Speaker 3: four hundred, you know men, at least a regional day
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  Speaker 3: of mourning, right, But a holiday is celebrating one dude,
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  Speaker 3: you know, who experienced personal tragedy. Not really how these
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  Speaker 3: things work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough, you know, she initially said Okay, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to do it on June fifth, that's the anniversary
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  Speaker 1: of my father's death, and we'll celebrate Father's Day throughout
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  Speaker 1: all the land. Uh. But eventually, I think due to
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  Speaker 1: some some crossed wires and planning or scheduling, you know,
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  Speaker 1: local government is too.
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  Speaker 3: I am right, Uh, this.
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  Speaker 1: Celebration got moved to the third Sunday in June. So
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  Speaker 1: it's one of those confusing ones. I don't understand them.
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  Speaker 3: One reason I'll never be able to tell you what day,
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  Speaker 3: you know, any of those types of holidays are on,
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  Speaker 3: because first of all, I'll never remember which Sunday in
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  Speaker 3: June we're talking about, right, and second is the third.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I just don't remember things with numbers in
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  Speaker 3: them typically anyway, like.
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  Speaker 1: And thinks like Thanksgiving is probably one of the big
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  Speaker 1: examples of that in Easter two. But Thanksgiving I'm always like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I just I guess I need to make sure I'm
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  Speaker 1: not doing anything for four Thursdays.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's one of those on a Thursday. I definitely
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  Speaker 3: if you look at my Google history, plenty of what
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  Speaker 3: day is Thanksgiving this year? You know, try to get
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  Speaker 3: that lockdown in advance. But yeah, It's true there was
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  Speaker 3: some cross wires, you know, local government being what it is,
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  Speaker 3: third Sunday in June. As is often the case with
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  Speaker 3: regional celebrations, the clergy back debts, and that's also a
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  Speaker 3: part of what led it to kind of take off.
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  Speaker 3: And the very first official Father's Day was celebrated on June,
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  Speaker 3: the nineteenth year of Our Lord, nineteen hundred and ten.
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  Speaker 3: That was the month of the birthday of Dodd's father.
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  Speaker 3: Close enough, close enough birth month. And like we said,
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  Speaker 3: silent cal is a fan of Father's Day in general.
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  Speaker 3: He supports this date. He supports this observance. And fast
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  Speaker 3: forward nineteen sixty six President London big Jumbumbo, Yeah, big
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  Speaker 3: Jumbo Johnson is jumbo or Dumbo.
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  Speaker 1: Jumbo jumbo is definitely we did think about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he said, Okay, I'm issuing a presidential proclamation recognizing this
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  Speaker 1: as Father's Day. It becomes a national holiday. In nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy two, when President Richard Nixon Tricky Dick, we do
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  Speaker 1: great impressions of him, he signed legislation saying the third
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  Speaker 1: Sunday of June is gonna be Father's Day. That's according
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  Speaker 1: to the one story, Go Dick he's tricky. He did
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  Speaker 1: that one thing that was kid. I guess I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: We're not really taking a stance on Father's Day here,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, that is not for us to decide. No, No,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's that's for the father's I would just say
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  Speaker 3: in general, holidays of this ILK are odd. They're often
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the formative the creator of Mother's Day was right.
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  Speaker 3: They become commodifications, they become cash grabs, you know. But
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  Speaker 3: but the heart of it, again, it's a cool idea.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's nice and as cool as Sonora's smart DoD
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  Speaker 3: wasn't is she wasn't the first person to have this idea, right,
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  Speaker 3: or wasn't the only person. No, again, it's I'm not
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  Speaker 3: trying to again not trying to be a jerk here poopoo,
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  Speaker 3: anybody's idea, But this isn't exactly the most creative, you know,
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  Speaker 3: unique singular idea to ever be thunk. It's just like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: what if we had a day that celebrated fathers Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you call it Father's Day?
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  Speaker 1: You a slot in anything, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's really all it's about, like who had
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  Speaker 3: the gumption to really get it? Together and push for it.
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  Speaker 3: That's really more what the story is rather than who
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  Speaker 3: came up with the idea, because it's just as a father,
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  Speaker 3: not particularly creative. So yes, to your point, of course,
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  Speaker 3: there's there are several origin stories to Father's Day. We
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  Speaker 3: talked about the Fairmont Father's Day celebration. We have three
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  Speaker 3: years after the Fairmont event, a Chicago activist SJW by
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  Speaker 3: the name of Jane Adams two d's requested of the
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  Speaker 3: local legislature a city wide celebration or the very least
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  Speaker 3: strict nition of Father's Day, but she was denied.
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  Speaker 1: Dang, Chicago shut her down. Let's see, that's early nineteen hundred,
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  Speaker 1: so she probably couldn't pay off the bribes and oh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like, well, yeah, I mean it's not is
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  Speaker 3: it Tammany Hall era. No, that's a little earlier. It's
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  Speaker 3: Chicago has been a hive of scum and villainy politically
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  Speaker 3: for a long time. So maybe that she just didn't
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  Speaker 3: grease the right palms or pay the big Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: a I don't think that's a hot take of fortunately, either.
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  Speaker 3: We do know other people tried to create their own
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  Speaker 3: versions of Father's Day. We'll get to I'll tell you
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  Speaker 3: we'll get to my personal favorite in a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But we also need to shout out Vancouver, Washington resident
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  Speaker 3: JJ Behringer, who read something in a local newspaper and said,
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  Speaker 3: all right, we're going to hold a Father's Day celebration
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  Speaker 3: at my church, Irving Methodists, and we'll call it the
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  Speaker 3: first Father's Day event. Not because he was a jerk,
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  Speaker 3: it's because he did not know other people that had
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  Speaker 3: this idea before. You got to wonder too, the religious
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  Speaker 3: angle here with like some of these Methodist ministers sort
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  Speaker 3: of spearheading this. You know, there's of course the Holy Trinity,
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  Speaker 3: father Son, the Holy ghosts. It is a very patriarchal
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  Speaker 3: kind of canon. Let's say. You gotta wonder if that
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  Speaker 3: was part of why they were like pushing for this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Father's Day, it's got a nice ring to it.
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  Speaker 1: When did it become the Holy Spirit instead of the
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  Speaker 1: Holy Ghost?
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  Speaker 3: Good question. I'm sure we could could ask doctor Internet
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  Speaker 3: that and it would spit it right back out, or
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  Speaker 3: chat GPT, maybe it would make something up. That's been
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  Speaker 3: my latest interest in the whole chatbot thing is it's
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  Speaker 3: we talked about it on stuff that I want you
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  Speaker 3: to know that the idea of chatbots hallucinating things out
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  Speaker 3: of whole cloth.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Of making up entire, entirely fraudulent court cases.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Event yeah, exactly, and not not after being asked to
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: invent something or tell me a story. Like people are
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: using these of this tool to legitimately cheat at homework
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: or like you know, writing legal briefs, and it is
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: biting them in the butt because apparently old Chatty as
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: you call him sometimes, is improvising.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Let's ask chat GPT to make holidays for us and
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: report back on it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: That'd be fun.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: That'd be fun. Let's see what do Okay, here's the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: favorite one though. Here's a favorite one, and I think
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: you love this one too. Because people couldn't communicate as
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: easily as as our research associate Jeff points out, they
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: ran into problems figuring out who was first to the
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: postal Father's Day. Yeah right, So in nineteen fifteen, this guy,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the ironically named Harry C. Meek says, I am the
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: inventor of Father's Day. I'm making it up. It should
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: be on my birthday.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, neither neither Meek nor mild in the eyes
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: of the of the father just the hutspa of it
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: on my birthday. I mean, surely it wasn't a self
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: aggrandizing request. He just figured, you know, it's everybody's got
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: that same birthday, right, like you know.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: It's he pushed the Lions Club to acknowledge that he
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: started Father's Day.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he spent and this was not just like a
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: one day, you know, like wild hair that he got
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: like he made this like a pursuit. You know, he
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: pushed this line for quite a few years. And again
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: that's what it takes. People that insist upon themselves, people
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: that just won't let things go. Those are the people
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: that history remembers the most pedantic ones among us.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Usually, yeah, quite often, you know, the people who raised
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: enough of a fuss. And as you said, there was
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: this backlash against Father's Day and part of it, this
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: is a really interesting thing brought up in Almanac dot com.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So when you give a shout out to Areally A. C. Scott,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: who wrote this article, she points out, know all that
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the idea of fatherhood fundamentally change. It's not viewed as
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: like a feminine model with flowers, but it's a day
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: that celebrates this idea of dadness, and a lot of
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: my friends to are fathers, yourself included, will say, well,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: my kids are very being, very sweet, and I love them,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: but how many socks do they think I need?
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I borderline resent being taken to brunch. That's a woman's meal.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I'm just joking.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I am very much joking a brunch, A big fan
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: of brunch. But no, it's funny, right, because the fact
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: that that even has to be explained or it's it's
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: it's inherently absurd, right, It's like, it doesn't have to
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: be it's not the same and and and it's about
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: the person. What if your dad likes flowers, right, give
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: the man flowers, Give the man. What do you want?
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: If your dad wants a spa day, send him to
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a spa.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I will be the first one to admit I get
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: pretty regular pedicures and I love a good massage or
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: a spa day. No, and it's it's very true. But
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: this idea of this feminine model, you know, this this
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: precursor you know in mother's day being problematic for like
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: or somehow challenging the masculinity of you know, fathers is
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: absurd to me. But you know, we got to think
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: about the time, right.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, and I guess there were more of what
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: we're often called traditional gender roles, right there were. There
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: weren't as many women in the workplace. The modern role
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: of the father, you could argue, as does Aureliacy Scott,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: has changed more of a partnership, which I think is
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: probably healthier for everybody. Sure, right now we're co parenting,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now it's not just some
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: guy working nine to five or whatever coming home and saying,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: where's dinner? Why does this kid have a seat? This
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: thing is dirty, I'm getting drunk and going to sleep.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: So I think what we're saying, what this article is saying,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: is that it evolved in a positive direction to to
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: to look at mothers and fathers on more of an
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: equal playing field. So what I was railing against was
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: sort of the initial backlash of like, how dare you
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: celebrate me, you know, in the same way as you
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: would have were a mere woman.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And that's that's so valid though, that's part of it
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: because we know people. Okay, I'm a little torn about this.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: So the initial people objecting to Father's Day, we're doing
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: exactly what we're talking about. They said, this is a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: sentimental attempt to emasculate us almost with flowers and with
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: giving of gifts, which is crazy. Gifts are awesome inherently.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I love free style.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, and it's also thoughtful gifts. Uh, that's
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: that's the key, right. I'm really I'm against kind of
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: like holidays that require some sort of like pat you know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: the expected gifts like flowers, you know, I mean, you know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: flowers are cool. And if you want to get somebody flowers,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: get them something based on like a color you know
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: they love, or like a chick flower you know that
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: makes them happy. Don't just grab the nearest bouquet and
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: shove it in their face. I would typically. I mean,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: I just think gift giving is such an opportunity to
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: show somebody that you think about them and that you're
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: aware of aspects of their personality.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I don't think you should have to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: tie it to a holiday. No. I think the coolest
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: gifts are you know, in the for no reason at all,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: not because you're in trouble, not because someone decided it
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: should be an official day for something. Do something nice
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: for people you love.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I get my kid and my partner and friends' gifts
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: all the time, you know, just because and honestly, for
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: holidays and stuff. I'm typically the guy that's stopping at
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: the grocery store on the way home to grab something
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: because I'm fulfilling that expectation, and I frankly kind of
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: resent that.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Then here's the valid, here's the valid part of the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: argument for people who had a backlash against Father's Day
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: that I think we both can agree with. They said,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: we know about Mother's Day, it's a grift, and Father's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Days no different. These holidays are proliferating, and they're all
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: just a gimmick to sell more stuff. And hay, we
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the fathers are also paying for the Father's Days as the.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Sole breadwinners of our families.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why am I paying for flowers for myself? They said. So.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I get the anti capitalist part about it, the anti commodification,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think maybe people were a little insecure
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: or a little caught in their preconceptions about masculinity.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: They were in their feelings.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: They were in their feelings a little bit.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but not in like a touchy feely kind
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: of way.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: No, No, in a very emotionally damaged way.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: And I didn't kind of think I caught this in
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the Mother's Day episode, but this idea maybe maybe it
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: came up briefly specifically for Mother's Day, But in the
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: nineteen twenties and thirties there was actually a movement to
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: get rid of both of these holidays entirely in favor
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: of combining them into a into one Parents' Day. How
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: that god that take off? I only I've heard of
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Parents Day.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: It's around in other countries. Maybe, yeah, you know, parents
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: are generally a good thing, so you're right, though it
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: did not encounter near the success of Father's Day, let
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: alone Mother's Day. It's strange to me that for a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: while during that time period, during the twenties and thirties,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: every year the Mother's Day occurred, these groups would protest it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: They would be pro Parents' Day groups, and they would
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: go to Central Park because they liked having problems.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I guess seems so. I mean, the idea of there
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: being a Parents Day activist the sky Robert Spear who
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: said that both parents should be loved and respected together
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: like at the same time. I don't know about it,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: you know, it's I guess that's sort of like a
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: killing two birds with one stone situation, you know, one
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: holiday to rule them all.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: But it feels like this guy just want to be
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: mad about something.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Of what about is? I completely agree, and as we know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: that did not take off, you know, because what about
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: you know, parents who are divorced. Yeah, maybe it's a
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: good thing that you can honor them separately.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I think maybe if there is a debate or a
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: question around it, is it is the gendered aspect of it,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Maybe?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: But how who cares? Here's what happened the Great Depression.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons Father's Day is still a
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: big thing because think about it, you're a business, you're
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: an ad company, and you have to somehow get out
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: of the red and into the black ink. So they
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: doubled down to try to make Father's Day what they
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: thought of as a second Christmas for dudes.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, all these cliche ideas of gifts
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: are supposed to get your dad, those hold true for
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: any gift giving opportunity in these days. Pipes, you know,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: like slippers, tie ties, then nobody really even wants and
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: that if you're gonna get it, you're gonna get one
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: for yourself, because these are like things that require you
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: to have a little bit of awareness of, like your
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: own personal style. The joke around these gifts is often
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: people are giving you these things and you will never
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: wear them.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Right right, Like, thank you for this artruse and green
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: polka dotted ascot. I'll treasure it forever.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: That sounds really nice, just being frank right here. I
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: really like if you guys got that for me, I
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: would appreciate it.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Oh god, now we have to remember what I described. Okay,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: shartruse and green polka dot.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, Ben, It's not like we have a like,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: you know, recorded version of you saying it or anything.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, never mind, why are we even bothering
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: with long term memory? So?
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who needs it?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Who needs it?
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Soon we'll have implants that'll do it all for us.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Or we can just ask chat GPTMH.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Pair it with a nice voice mimicking software and you
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: know we're relevant at that point. Oh, come on, maybe
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: not irrelevant. We still have to like talk at the
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: bot to train it to sound more like us.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, I mean you know you're talking about
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: aims transforming over time. And that's what I happened over
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Father's Day.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: No attention to the man behind the grid.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: What do you think before we get to the end
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: of Father's Day, I think we'll still be around.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I doing some gallows humor here.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I do think we'll be right.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: I mean me personally as a consumer of podcasts, and
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: it's of culture. Like if I found out that someone
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: had replaced my you know, Folger's crystals with Taster's choice
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: and didn't tell me, I'd be pretty pissed.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would also be really suspect I'd be
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'd also be sad if I was listening to a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: show that I was a fan of and I learned
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that with like the darkest version of that is, a
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: legendary host passes away and then AI is used to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: just keep making episodes of them after day.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: People are kind of losing their their stuff. Over the
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: headline saying that Paul McCartney is it was a gate
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: fight through his support by AI technology being used to
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: create a quote unquote final Beatle song. But if you
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: read below the headline, you realize they actually just used
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: AI as a restoration tool to lift out a vocal
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: that John Lennon made as a demo while playing the
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: piano and singing on like a pretty low fire recording
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: set up. So they cleaned it up, separated it from
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the piano, and allowed it to be used in a
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: multi track recording capacity. Is the song going to be
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: any good? I don't know, irrelevant, but they didn't like
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: do a Tupac hologram version John Lyon's voice, And I
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: frankly think most people who are actual fans of art
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: and culture.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Won't stand for that. You know, I would like to
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: think that.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I would like to I would like to think that
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: as well. And you know I mean full disclosure, folks. Yes,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: this episode is entirely created and hosted by chat ChiPT YEP.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Where are we gonna go with that? Oh well, segue?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Did a segue? Okay? So things changing Father's Day got tainted?
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: People would say, you know it, it became a money grab.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I think you set it up perfectly, this idea of
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: it being a second Christmas, you know, to buy a
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: lot of these, like frankly, you know, sharper image type objects,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: you know, for dads that they probably don't even want,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: and it's just obligatory kind of gift giving and that
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: suits the companies more than it does the dads, frankly,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: and then once that becomes really, really clear, it does
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: start to have a bit of a taint to it,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: doesn't the.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just just send your dad a text
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and say something that you think is cool about them
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and make sure it's sincere. Don't You don't have to
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: wait for a specific day to do that, you know.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: And of course, like all of these holidays, like we
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: learned with Mother's Day, Father's Day is not just celebrating
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the UI, and it's not just celebrated at the same time.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: People all around the world celebrate something like Father's Day
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: at different periods in the year.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Have you heard of this practice of wearing a red
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: rose if your father's alive and a white one if
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: he's dead.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I have not. That seems frankly invasive, it does.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, cool, let's have a conversation about our dead dads,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: as that was I supposed to ask me about my
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: dead dad.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: That's what that would say. Yeah, yeah, I don't think
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: they thought that one threw.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: All the way. Yeah, I was just not aware of
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: this as a custom. But what about you know, maybe
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: non traditional male role models or or you know, frankly
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: father figures, you know, like you know, my dear, dear
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: friend Harry, He's actually coming to visit over Father's Day weekend.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: It occurred to me like he's the closest thing I
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: have to a father, and I'm gonna he's going to
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: the same brunch that I'm going to. And it was
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: just kind of a happenstance that occurred that way. But
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of glad that it did, because I do
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: think of him in that same way.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Are you going to get him a card?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Hell?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: No, Are you going to get him a tie?
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: No, he doesn't wear a tie. I'll ge him a hairtie.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: What's the sock situation?
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Unclear? But I am going to take him to brunch
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: and then host him my house and cook him a
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: barbecue and spend some good time with him because he's
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: a true friend and someone that I've always looked up
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: to in that way, you know, without an actual living father.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: So that's that's an interesting role too, is like what
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: about the the uncles, the grandfathers, the families of the world.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, they also get honored on that day
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: sometimes because you know, you as you go through life,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: you do run into people who fulfill some of those roles.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: You may not be able to speak with your biological mother,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: you may not be on the best terms with her,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: but you might have a mother figure in your life.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And the same goes with parents, with siblings, with all
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: all the loved ones you can imagine. Uh, so they
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: should be celebrated as well. And I think that's I
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: think that's kind of cool. I think that's inclusive. I
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: do think it's interesting that there's a Father's Day thing
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: tied to Roman Catholicism.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, celebrated in countries like Spain and Portugal, observed on
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: the feast of Saint Joseph. Is the Saint Joseph the
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: patron saint of fathers, manly men.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: We cut some off air time where we decided to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: look up the Saint Saint Joseph. Why why is that
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Father's Day? Saint Joseph the worker is patron saint of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a couple of different things. They always are, right, Let's
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: see the patron saint of fathers. Nailed it, got it?
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: He is also vibes, you said, the worker. You know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: he is also a work patron saint of workers. Anybody
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: who's married, anybody who's been exiled.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, what's that?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Last? Yeah, all right, last one was a was a
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: shamalan for us, uh, the sick and the dying, and
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: patrons say of a holy death?
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Wait, what's holy death?
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: You know? What?
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Is that a spell? And like elden ring, that really
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: does sound like is that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Like dying with honor?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: If you're a cleon, I'm you know, you guys are
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: onto some great things here. We'll have to learn more
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: about it. I am not Catholic, I'm not Christian, nor
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to say about it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I do know what to say about the Taiwanese celebration
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: of Father's Day. Much like our pal who wanted it
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: to be on his birthday, this celebration is in fact
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: on my actual birthday, August the eighth, fifth day of
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the eighth month, which is a fun, you know, little
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: little thing with my birthday. It's eight eight eighty three,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: fun to stay out loud. But yeah, immediately saw this
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: and thought of that guy that like wanted to have
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Father's Day beyond his birthday. I'm like, we are not
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: the same. It's not my idea, but like the cut
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  Speaker 3: of whom's ever jib in Taiwan decided to hold it
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  Speaker 3: on that day. Well, actually sounds like it was because
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  Speaker 3: the Mandarin Chinese word for eight sounds like the word papa. Well,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: do you know, you know, I know, you know a
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  Speaker 3: bit of Mandarin?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, I know a little bit. It's bob,
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Jat, you're the best. Bah And so the eighth day,
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  Speaker 1: eighth month, bah Ba got it? You said twice it
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  Speaker 1: becomes papa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh, look here we
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: have to do it, noel, Uh, it's our first time
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  Speaker 1: in uh in the new studio. The man, the myth,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the legend himself, our resident rock star, Matt Frederick wearing
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: he's wearing his sunglasses. Inside he's got a fresh haircut. Hey,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Matt fresh, Matt, you got something to say to the people?
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  Speaker 3: Can even hear us?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Hi overbody?
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  Speaker 3: He's so cool, He's so cool. Listen to that. Yeah,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: the swagger, the swagger in that voice.
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  Speaker 1: We have to figure out a way to get Matt back.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Well, obviously he's here. It's easier to accomplish. We can
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: just you know, invite him in. But yeah, do you
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: want to come into come in for the second episode,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: we're about to do another one. He's like, I got
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: a battle, he's gonna surf. He's got a skate. I
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: think he's gonna surf.
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  Speaker 1: On a phone. Okay, that guy is too cool for school. Really,
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  Speaker 1: And like Taiwan, Thailand has their own Father's Day and
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  Speaker 1: Thailand is tied to the birthday of a former king
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  Speaker 1: whose name I'm going to attempt and mess up. It's cool, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's both try it. So boom Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't boo ball sound like a Mario character, like, you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: like the giant bomb guy with the crown I forget
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  Speaker 3: his or it.
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  Speaker 1: Feels like the big sport in like a children's sci
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: fi show We got to play?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, dude. I discovered a new sports when I
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: was in Philly. There were these like weird curved tables
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: with a it's it's like a ping pong table, but
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: they're curved and apparently you kick a ball on it
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: and bounce it. It's like ping pong or pickleball, but you
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: play it with your feet and apparently it is from
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: from Spain or that's cool. Yeah, And I've never seen
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: these tables anywhere. They look kind of like miniature skate rams.
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  Speaker 3: So anybody out there that knows what the hell this
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: thing is, let let us know.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And anyone who can help us with pronunciation of names
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  Speaker 1: the tyroyal family, let us know. Because I have to
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: learn that stuff. I have to go. I don't think
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I told you I'm going to I have to. I
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: have to go to Thailand to go to Titober.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: That sucks.
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  Speaker 3: That's rough, that's awesome, that's really exciting. Godspeed, and yeah,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: just you know, surely there's a chat GPT out there
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  Speaker 3: that I could just uh.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I could have like a little thing around my neck.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It's just chat GPT instead of like a slate with
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: some chalk, you know, right, But that day entirely, the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: December fifth day is always Father's Day, and I like.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: That December fifth. Leave it at Dad.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be that third or fourth thing,
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  Speaker 1: you know. That's that's too complicated.
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  Speaker 3: Same with the Taiwanese deal. Eight eight boom remembered it
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  Speaker 3: easy is also my birthday. Eighty eight also is good luck.
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  Speaker 3: Hey cool, no wonder I've been coasting through life. I
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: think these many years. Four is bad, okay, Well, I
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: said it's visible by four I.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Know, but it's double Oh, it's double four, so it's good.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: You know, we might have to come back to this south,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: We might have to workshop.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: We might want to leave this one alone. We don't
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: want to uncover any Pandora's Box type situ.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we do want to wish everybody a happy
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: belated Father's Day, A happy Father's Day to you know,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: a happy Father's Day to your entire family. Max, Max,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: your cat dad. I think you've described yourself as.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I am a cat dad. And also sometimes I feel
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: like I'm all's parent, y'all, Like I'm more of a
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: parent's day than a father's day to y'all. But I
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: get that feeling a lot of times, especially when it's like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to find Noel and get him to
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: the right studio is somebod.
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  Speaker 3: You're always smacking me in the back of the head
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: and calling me a giant disappointment.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, unless HR is listening to this episode and.
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  Speaker 3: Listed our show.
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  Speaker 1: Also, I'm older than you, bro.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: You both are older than me, but I'm still your father,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: all right, sure you know what?
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Big thanks to super producer Max Williams, Yeah aka Dad,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: big big thanks to uh big thanks to Alex Williams,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: who composed the track Big. Thanks to pal Matt who
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: just uh just has such infectious energy.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: He does, he does. He is a walking plague of
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: a human in the positive sense, positive play, positivity play.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Thanks to uh Chris frosciotis here in spirit, he's Jeff Coates,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Strickland. I bet you we can get him here
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: in person too. Yeah, you can press to digitate him
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: from one of these nice you know, and deployment of
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: that word into one of these mic positions. Yeah.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Also, I owe him an email, so that'll be a
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: good time.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Don't sleep on that, man.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I gotta stop. I gotta wake up. I can't keep
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: sleeping on responding to those emails, and we can't keep
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: sleeping on this new studio. No, this has been such
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: a fun time. I feel like we portrayed ourselves a
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: little because we're both all three of us. Max To
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: came in saying, all right, this is gonna be short.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: When you know what I mean. We got and we got,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: we condensed our research. We're gonna make it a punchy
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: thing about Father's Day.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: And still punchy. Uh not in the like lack of
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: sleepway but like in the listen to, these punchy characters
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: have a good time talking about stuff, and so we
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: liked that and I'm excited. It sort of feels like
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: we're opening a new chapter of the show, being here
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: in person with each other, hand out with you. We'll
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: see you next time. Books. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,
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