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128. The Brothers Kellogg · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: if you want to cheer me up, But yeah, I
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Speaker 1: didn't want to make it like this whole, big, like
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Speaker 1: whole situation, but I was kind of stuck between wanting
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Speaker 1: to talk about it and wanting to just never speak
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Speaker 1: about it. And it's weird that, like on the podcast
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Speaker 1: is probably the only place where I can kind of
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Speaker 1: like be in between on that. But I know what
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Speaker 1: you're thinking, you're thinking, what your jibber jabber in fact me,
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Speaker 1: in fact you I will, But first we've got to
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Speaker 1: get our source on.
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Speaker 2: Our sources are.
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Speaker 1: Plain Facts for Old and Young by J. H.
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Speaker 2: Kellogg.
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Speaker 1: Needed a Near Human Race by J. H. Kellogg. Progressive
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Speaker 1: Health Reform by Ruth Clifford Erkes, Life Sketches of Ellen J. White,
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Speaker 1: an autobiography, The Other Kellogg Ella Eaton by Edward White,
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Speaker 1: Doctor John Harvey Kellogg and the Religion of Biologic Living
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Speaker 1: by Brian Wilson, The Cornflake Crusade by Gerald Carson, The
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Speaker 1: Kellogg Family by Joanne Matton, The Hilarious Horrifying Road to
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Speaker 1: Modern Medicine by Justin Sidney Mikelroy, The Battle Creek Idea
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Speaker 1: by Mary Butler, and the Kellogg's The Battle Brothers of
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Speaker 1: Battle Creek by Howard Markel. And of course, of course
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Speaker 1: we have our favorites, History dot com and biography dot
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Speaker 1: com ailes it incomfortably good. Then let's begin. So, because
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Speaker 1: it's January and everyone's into that hole New Year, New Year,
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Speaker 1: like we're gonna be so healthy, We're all gonna eat
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Speaker 1: smoothies for breakfast and go to the gym, like like
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Speaker 1: nobody should eat in salads in January. First of all,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna preface this with that nobody should eat in
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Speaker 1: salads in January. January is wintertime. Wintertime is not a
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Speaker 1: time for salad. Wintertime is a time for stews and
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Speaker 1: loaded soups and things will make you feel warm and cozy,
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Speaker 1: like comfort food. That's what we deserve in winter. Don't
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Speaker 1: be giving me a salad in January. What is wrong
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Speaker 1: with you? But anyway, because of that, I wanted to
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Speaker 1: do something on sort of wellness and living and.
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Speaker 2: Things like that.
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Speaker 1: And oh, oh, how much, how much have I wanted
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Speaker 1: to talk about this for so long? And this was
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Speaker 1: the perfect opportunity. The brothers Kellogg, Oh, these two are
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Speaker 1: the sibling rivalry is one thing, and then you've got
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Speaker 1: these motherfuckers like it's fabulous. So John Harvey Kellogg and
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Speaker 1: William Keith Kellogg they are brothers. I mean we're brothers.
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Speaker 1: I mean they're still technically brothers. They're just both dead. AnyWho,
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Speaker 1: The wellness movement.
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Speaker 2: Is not a new one.
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Speaker 1: Before we had people proclaiming that raw milk is good
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Speaker 1: for you and that essential oils can cure cancer, we
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Speaker 1: had John Harvey Kellogg. So John Harvey Kellogg was born
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Speaker 1: on the twenty sixth of February eighteen fifty two in Tyrone, Michigan.
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Speaker 1: His brother William Keith would be born on eight seven
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Speaker 1: to eighteen sixty in Battle Creek, Michigan. So John Harvey,
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Speaker 1: who we're going to focus on first because he has
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Speaker 1: the older brother. He was a seven day Adventist. And
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Speaker 1: this is one of the weird Christian denominations. As if
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Speaker 1: we aren't all the Christian denominations aren't all like a
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Speaker 1: wee bit weird, Like they're all a bit cookie. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you've got Catholics who consume the body of a dead
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Speaker 1: God and chant together with el dozen dusty buildings. You've
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Speaker 1: got Presbyterians who are so div a they could suck
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Speaker 1: the color out of a rainbow. Like they banned Christmas,
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Speaker 1: like they were the first ones to do it, like
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Speaker 1: they led the charge on banning Christmas before Cromwell, before Massachusetts,
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Speaker 1: before them the Puritans. No, no, no, no, no, the fucking
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Speaker 1: Presbyterians did it right, and they would be miserable as sin,
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Speaker 1: but you.
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Speaker 2: Know Sinn's not allowed.
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Speaker 1: Then you've got the Mormons, who allow you to have
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Speaker 1: a wife for every day the week, and those entire
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Speaker 1: concept is based on some fella looking at a stone
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Speaker 1: through his hat. Like I said, all of their religions
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Speaker 1: are a wee bit weird, and Seven Day Adventists not
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Speaker 1: an exception through the rule, very much, very much the rule.
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Speaker 1: And it's kind of like as denominations go, like having
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Speaker 1: a family recipe and it's passed down through generations, but
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Speaker 1: with every sort of like pass the recipe has changed somewhat,
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Speaker 1: like something's taken out, something's replaced, and ingredients are swapped,
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Speaker 1: so it's not really the same thing it was at
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Speaker 1: the very start. So what would have started off as
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Speaker 1: like all Christianity kind of starts off as either Catholicism
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Speaker 1: or Orthodox, like there's a schism there, but those two
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Speaker 1: are like the top, and then they kind of break
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Speaker 1: off from there because that's where you get like Lutheranism
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Speaker 1: and the Church of England, which is a whole thing
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Speaker 1: fucking Henry the eight anyway, and then it all kind
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Speaker 1: of splits from.
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Speaker 2: There and what's down.
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Speaker 1: And the Seven Day Adventists are a large American born
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Speaker 1: Protestant denomination and they sort of come their existence is
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Speaker 1: born out of the Millerite movement. This is context and
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Speaker 1: it's relevant. So William Miller was a Baptist who was
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Speaker 1: effectively the head of a doomsday cult, and the thing
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Speaker 1: about doomsday cults is typically they struggle with longevity. They're
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Speaker 1: finite in nature, because in order for there to be
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Speaker 1: a doomsday cult, there has to be a doomsday like
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Speaker 1: on the Horizon. And Miller preached that Jesus was to
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Speaker 1: return to the Earth on the twenty second of October
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Speaker 1: eighteen forty four, thus triggering the end of the world.
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Speaker 1: So when October twenty third world around and there was
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Speaker 1: a nos of Jesus and b a distinct lack of rapturing,
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Speaker 1: things got a wee bit awkward. And Miller's followers, they
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Speaker 1: were and I quote shooketh so much so that they
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Speaker 1: referred to the non event as the Great Disappointment. They
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Speaker 1: distanced themselves from Miller, but continued on as a religious
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Speaker 1: movement with a little bit of rebranding. Oh now, actually
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Speaker 1: I forgot to mention this earlier. But you know what's
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Speaker 1: really weird about Seventh day Adventists is Sabbath. Right, So
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Speaker 1: most Christian denominations they would observe Sabbath on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: And Sunday is the day of Wath.
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Speaker 1: On the sixth day, did I said, let her bely
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Speaker 1: on the seventh day he rested because apparently when he
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Speaker 1: created the universe in the world, God did it all
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Speaker 1: in the dark, which is probably how we ended up
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Speaker 1: with a goblin shark. Yeah. Unlike most Christian denominations who
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Speaker 1: observed Sabbath on Sunday, Seventh Day Adventists observe the Sabbath
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Speaker 1: on Sunday like in Judaism. So yeah, Doomsday didn't happen,
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Speaker 1: and they were all a wee bit miffed about it
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Speaker 1: somewhere for Lorne and who can blame them, really, they.
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Speaker 2: Were so excited.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they'd hyped themselves up for the end of
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Speaker 1: the world and then it was just another Tuesday. So
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Speaker 1: obviously they were feeling a wee bit let down. So
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Speaker 1: when they rebranded and reshuffled and rejig this religion, instead
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Speaker 1: of having a deadline for rapture itself, instead their flavor
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Speaker 1: of Christianity centered on their followers preparing for the return
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Speaker 1: of Jesus by living a life of purity. It's always
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Speaker 1: funny to me how so many of these Christian death
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Speaker 1: cults are so excited about Christ showing up, like they
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Speaker 1: would not get on. Jesus was a browned in Sandals
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Speaker 1: who practiced social disobedience and promoted universal health care and
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Speaker 1: caring about other people. But anyway, I digress. John Harvey
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Speaker 1: Kellogg was not just a Seventh Day Adventist. He was
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Speaker 1: devout and growing up he was not a well child.
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Speaker 1: He had a lot of digestive issues, and his formal
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Speaker 1: education is a bit here and there, probably to do
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Speaker 1: with him being you know, quite sickly, and the other
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Speaker 1: probably to do with the educational choices of Seventh Day Adventists.
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Speaker 1: When he's about twelve years old, two of the founders
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Speaker 1: of the movement, like the two people who took charge
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Speaker 1: and moved from you know, Miller Rights to becoming Seventh
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Speaker 1: Day Adventists, James and Ellen White, took an interest in
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Speaker 1: the boy, but not in a creepy way, by the way,
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Speaker 1: not in a creepy way. See, they also just so
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Speaker 1: happened to be owners of a Seventh Day Adventist publisher
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Speaker 1: in Battle Creek, and they were like, you, boy, you've
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Speaker 1: got something about you. And so Kellogg waved goodbye to
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Speaker 1: the family broom factory. I wish I was making this up.
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Speaker 1: His family had a broom factory, and so he said
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Speaker 1: goodbye to that and said hello to an apprenticeship in publishing,
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Speaker 1: and he eventually works his way up and becomes the
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Speaker 1: editor of the magazine The Health Reformer, a name he
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Speaker 1: very reasonably changed to Good Health. I mean that just
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Speaker 1: makes sense. There's a magazine out now called Healthy Living,
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Speaker 1: which is a less aggressive name than say eat better, bitch,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, it's kind of it's
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Speaker 1: kind of suggesting what to do instead of telling you
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Speaker 1: that you're wrong and you need to change things. Right.
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Speaker 1: People like to believe the choices they make are entirely
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Speaker 1: their decisions. Gentle nuts are fine, but people don't like
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Speaker 1: to be pushed into things, because that's when they start
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Speaker 1: pushing back. AnyWho, he's working on a publisher owned by
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Speaker 1: James and Ellen White.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Ellen is fascinating because during her lifetime she wrote over
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Speaker 1: forty books and over five thousand articles, and I think
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Speaker 1: I think she might be the most translated female writer
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Speaker 1: of nonfiction like ever. And she wrote about health, nutrition, religion, obviously,
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Speaker 1: social justice, education, and agriculture. And if you think being
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Speaker 1: a female writer in the nineteenth century was controversial, we'll
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Speaker 1: buckle up because she claimed that the ideas were not hers,
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Speaker 1: but instead were gods. No, no, no, masterly little lady
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Speaker 1: Bren couldn't produce such a thought, 'tis but a condo
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Speaker 1: went for the lore. So she claimed that she had
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Speaker 1: visions and prophecies. And honestly go her because sometimes sometimes
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Speaker 1: if you want to get your work read, you have
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Speaker 1: to assign your ideas to for some reason, male deity
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Speaker 1: who can either confirm nor deny the statement. In young Kellogg,
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Speaker 1: he's been working in the Whites publisher. He's an editor
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Speaker 1: and he's spent all this time publishing information and he's thinking,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: He could be a really good teacher.
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Speaker 1: But his parents and the Whites, they have other ideas.
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Speaker 1: They decide he's going to be a doctor. The Whites
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Speaker 1: covered his tuition at New York University Medical College at
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Speaker 1: Bellevue with a one thousand dollars loan, and so in
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Speaker 1: eighteen seventy five he graduates as a medical doctor degree
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Speaker 1: and all he returns to Battle, Greek, to the Western
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Speaker 1: Health Reform Institute originally. And you're going to be shocked
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Speaker 1: by this founded by the Whites, Like they've got their
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Speaker 1: hands in so many pies, like they're just covered in
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Speaker 1: what is a Michigan pie?
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Speaker 2: What is a famous Michigan pie?
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Speaker 1: Oh, oh, now it's apple pie. I looked it up. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I went and looked up Michigan's favorite pie, and apparently
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Speaker 1: apple pie is the winner. So they've got their fingers
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Speaker 1: and so many pies that there's just apple sauce under.
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Speaker 2: Their fingernails, like it's everywhere.
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Speaker 1: But yes, John Harvey Kellogg is in battle Quek.
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Speaker 2: He's practicing medicine.
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Speaker 1: He's seeing patients, quite a lot of whom have syphilis,
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Speaker 1: and he is freaked out about this, like sti's all
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Speaker 1: that stuff.
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Speaker 2: He's just like.
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Speaker 1: Very very worried.
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Speaker 2: But like, dude, the.
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Speaker 1: Only way you're gonna catch an STI it's a sexually
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Speaker 1: transmitted infection. There has to be sex of some kind.
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Speaker 2: And really kell Loogg doesn't need to worry about that.
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Speaker 1: He really doesn't have to worry about that. He is
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Speaker 1: very much voluntarily celibate, like a monk or a heterosexual
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Speaker 1: woman who decided she'd rather be a single cat lady
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Speaker 1: than mother or husband. But doctor Kellogg is genuinely anxious
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Speaker 1: about catching sdis like he's terrified of it, which again,
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Speaker 1: not really at risk of that, to be honest. Anyhow,
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Speaker 1: the institute itself was established like a decade earlier as
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Speaker 1: a healing center based on the principles of the Seventh
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Speaker 1: day Adventist movement, and the Whites ask doctor Kellogg to
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Speaker 1: take over management of the institute because it is struggling
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Speaker 1: to stay afloat. Just like with the magazine, Kellogg liked
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Speaker 1: to put his own stamp on things, so when he
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Speaker 1: does take over, he renames the institute the Battlecreek Medical
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Speaker 1: Surgical Sanitarium, And on top of the new name, he
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Speaker 1: also expanded the facilities and he hired staff that were
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Speaker 1: medically trained nurses, doctors, other people of medical professions that
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Speaker 1: need to be there, like people who had in the
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Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds an eighteen hundred idea of medicine and treatment.
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Speaker 1: But he wasn't done there. He changed the mission from
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Speaker 1: being a spiritual healing center to a bouche medical clinic
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Speaker 1: slash hotel slash hellspa, turning it into the place for
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Speaker 1: the elites, the rich, the famous, and the notable figures
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Speaker 1: of nineteenth and twentieth century America to rest and recuperate.
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Speaker 1: And when I say notable, I mean notable. I'm talking
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Speaker 1: William Howard Taff, George Bernard Shaw, the J. C. Penny
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Speaker 1: Thomas Edison, John d. Rockefeller, Eleanor Roosevelt, Amelia Earhart, Henry
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Speaker 1: Ford Sojourn her Truth, and Mary Todd Lincoln. Now, if
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Speaker 1: you've been listening to me for a long time, you'll
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Speaker 1: know that if I could go back in time and
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Speaker 1: fight any historical figure, it would be Charles Dickens. Now,
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Speaker 1: if there was anybody in history, I definitely would not
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Speaker 1: want to fight, it is Mary Todd Lincoln because I'm
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Speaker 1: fairly certain that she would fight dirty. And also she
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Speaker 1: saw a man get shot through the head right in
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Speaker 1: front of her, Like that is a woman who can
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Speaker 1: handle a fight, you know. And also I love Mary
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Speaker 1: Todd Lincoln, and I think she deserved better, and I'm
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Speaker 1: convinced that, you know, her husband gave her syphilis. But
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Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't want to fight her anyway, but
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Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like she could kick Charles
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Speaker 1: Dickens's ass, like she would win an eye for one
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Speaker 1: would cheer for her every fucking time anyway. John Harvey
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Speaker 1: Kellogg's more mainstream and business focused approach to running the
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Speaker 1: sanatorium resulted in sub friction, with the proprietors apparently having
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Speaker 1: a business strategy and turning a struggling health center around
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Speaker 1: actually making some money was to the Whites a form
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Speaker 1: of corruption, And in nineteen oh seven Kellogg gets the
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Speaker 1: Adventist equivalent of being excommunicated. That's right, he was, gasp disfellowshipped.
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Speaker 1: The official reason heresy the unofficial reason. He wasn't pumping
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Speaker 1: sanatorium profits into Seventh Day Adventist programs. So the sanatorium
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Speaker 1: was like utterly model Milly. It had a whole process
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Speaker 1: and everything.
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Speaker 2: So you'd arrive and you'd receive a.
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Speaker 1: Very thorough physical assessment and an equally thorough diagnostic interview,
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Speaker 1: and this information would be used to create a personalized
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Speaker 1: treatment regime for each client. We're talking health education, baths, massages,
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Speaker 1: specific exercise and a modified diet plan.
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Speaker 2: You know, this whole thing.
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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, give a man official'll eat for
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Speaker 1: a day, Teach a man to ficial and you'll eat
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Speaker 1: for a lifetime. Like that's Kellogg's approach. He had this
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Speaker 1: radical idea that many health problems were caused by get
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Speaker 1: this unhealthy living habits. He also believed in order for
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Speaker 1: people to live healthier lives, they had to be taught
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Speaker 1: how and like trained to love better and so he's
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Speaker 1: into this whole concept of biological living, using natural methods
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Speaker 1: to create healthy living instead of just trading problems with
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Speaker 1: tonics and delixels. So instead of just like dealing with
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Speaker 1: the symptoms, you're trying to deal with the root cause,
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Speaker 1: like its prevention is better than cure. And we have
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Speaker 1: a thing now in Ireland actually called the Green Prescription,
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Speaker 1: which in some ways is really good because it's all about,
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Speaker 1: you know, trying to get yourself into a healthier mode
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Speaker 1: of living by like enjoying the countryside and going for
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Speaker 1: a walk and doing things like that. But like, like
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Speaker 1: it's reasonable, like you do certain things to give you,
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Speaker 1: like a more active, healthier lifestyle. But are situations where
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Speaker 1: going for a walk isn't going to cut it, Like
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Speaker 1: it's not going to cure pcos you know that being said,
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Speaker 1: I'm startled to see where the Happy.
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Speaker 2: Pair got some inspiration.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, in this instance, Kellogg wasn't like too far off
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Speaker 1: the mark here. See, back in the day, a middle
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Speaker 1: class breakfast in the USA was a heavy one. It
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Speaker 1: was quite how would I put this meat focused? You've
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Speaker 1: got sweetmeats, perhaps a meat pie. Beef was popular, and
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Speaker 1: you know it's dodgy, salted, greasy, and it filled you up.
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Speaker 1: Breads were popular, often fried, and then you've got milk
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Speaker 1: that was rotten, unpasteurized, m a sweetish cirrus, slightly chunkish
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Speaker 1: treat that may or may not have E coli delicious.
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Speaker 1: And then of course everyone's on drugs. You know, there's
23:32
Speaker 1: laudanum cocaine asnic is in everything, and people are treating
23:36
Speaker 1: asthma with cigarettes.
23:39
Speaker 2: What a time to be alive.
23:42
Speaker 1: So, needless to say, due to diet and such, people
23:46
Speaker 1: were prone to having digestive issues, and the tonics that
23:50
Speaker 1: were pedled or prescribed usually caused more problems than they resolved.
23:56
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of constipation happening. You know, just
24:00
Speaker 1: have some friends, but of pringejuice, syrup of figs.
24:05
Speaker 2: So I keep being told.
24:06
Speaker 1: Like it'll be good for you syrup of figs.
24:09
Speaker 2: And some yogurt.
24:11
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Sure. At the sanatorium, treatment was interesting to
24:18
Speaker 1: say the least. As we've discussed before in like the
24:22
Speaker 1: Doctor Riot's episode HH Holmes.
24:24
Speaker 2: And Doctor Cream. It didn't take a whole lot.
24:28
Speaker 1: Of time to become a medical practitioner back in the day,
24:32
Speaker 1: and doctors they would experiment with many different theories and ideas,
24:38
Speaker 1: and doctor Kellogg was no different, although a lot of
24:43
Speaker 1: his process has worked some well, just plain wield. Okay,
24:49
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna start easy with electro therapy, which was
24:53
Speaker 1: this sort of cagelike device that was supposed to help
24:59
Speaker 1: patients RelA by administering static electricity. You've got water cure
25:07
Speaker 1: in which someone would be force fed water up to
25:10
Speaker 1: fifty glasses a day, and Kellogg generally recommended that for
25:15
Speaker 1: at least like one day a week, you should have
25:19
Speaker 1: twenty four glasses of water a day, so one glass
25:22
Speaker 1: on the hour every hour to flush out toxins. Now,
25:28
Speaker 1: people sleep, so that's a thing. Are they supposed to
25:31
Speaker 1: wake up, drink water, and then go back to sleep,
25:33
Speaker 1: because that's one sleep deprivation into This feels like a
25:38
Speaker 1: form of water torture as opposed to a QA, Like
25:42
Speaker 1: that's how you get water poisoning, Like that's your cells flooding.
25:47
Speaker 2: So that's that's what happens actually.
25:49
Speaker 1: So you know, when you give a plant water, it
25:52
Speaker 1: sells kind of gets sturdy and it gets next and strong. Right,
25:57
Speaker 1: if you flood human tissue with water, we get soggy.
26:01
Speaker 2: Like we just leak.
26:02
Speaker 1: You know, we're not We're not made of the same stuff, right,
26:06
Speaker 1: Different courses for different horses, you know, So water poisoning, sorry,
26:13
Speaker 1: watercre electro therapy, and there's photo therapy, which is basically
26:19
Speaker 1: a coupled folded with light bulbs. You satin and it
26:23
Speaker 1: just shone light on you. We've got vibrational therapy.
26:30
Speaker 2: This had.
26:32
Speaker 1: A contraption that was supposed to passively stimulate muscles to
26:37
Speaker 1: simulate exercise like slendertone effectively. Another part of vibration therapy
26:46
Speaker 1: was this vibrating chair, the purpose of which was to
26:50
Speaker 1: aid digestion by stimulating the lower organs. So people were
26:58
Speaker 1: supposed to sit on the vibrating chair that vibrated and
27:04
Speaker 1: it was supposed to stimulate organs. I mean it did,
27:11
Speaker 1: just not in the way that.
27:13
Speaker 2: Doctor Kellogg was envisioning.
27:16
Speaker 1: He also had a treatment for people who were deemed
27:18
Speaker 1: too skinny, which I like to call the Foie Gras method.
27:24
Speaker 1: If deemed underweight, patients could be subjected to eating up
27:28
Speaker 1: to twenty six you heard me, twenty six meals a day.
27:34
Speaker 2: That's more than one meal an hour.
27:36
Speaker 1: Are we like, how like is this It's not like
27:39
Speaker 1: a six course testing menu like this is eighteen hundred
27:43
Speaker 1: foot and it's all vegetarian, so it's not exactly calorie dnse.
27:49
Speaker 2: You know.
27:49
Speaker 1: And so in between meals they were expected to lay
27:53
Speaker 1: motionless in a bed weighted down with sandbags lest they
27:57
Speaker 1: try and move, thus you know, burning off those precious calories.
28:03
Speaker 1: So no movement at all. Orderlies would wash their face,
28:07
Speaker 1: brush their teeth.
28:08
Speaker 2: And their hair.
28:10
Speaker 1: And I am personally very worried about bathroom breaks in
28:15
Speaker 1: this scenario. In so far to me, these aren't treatments.
28:22
Speaker 1: This is a kink club which feels like the opportune.
28:26
Speaker 2: Moment to take a little break and we're back.
28:39
Speaker 1: Doctor John Harvey Kellogg was a butt man, and by
28:42
Speaker 1: that I mean he was a big fan of enemas
28:44
Speaker 1: and colonic irrigation.
28:47
Speaker 2: He had a specialized machine.
28:49
Speaker 1: With a tube that would pump or try to pump
28:52
Speaker 1: gallons of water into the intestines via the rectum, and
28:56
Speaker 1: after this you would get a pint of yogurt, half
29:00
Speaker 1: of which you'd get to eat. The other was shot
29:03
Speaker 1: up into your enus to replace a healthy gut flora,
29:08
Speaker 1: so yogurt enema's aside food. The sanitorium was designed for
29:13
Speaker 1: two main reasons. One a vegetarian menu for rofuge in digestion,
29:19
Speaker 1: et cetera, and two to be bland as fuck. No spice,
29:25
Speaker 1: salt or sugar. Kellogg thought that flavor would stimulate the
29:29
Speaker 1: palate and this sexual organs as opposed to the vibrating chair. Remember,
29:37
Speaker 1: this devout syventh day Adventist was obsessed with pure living
29:42
Speaker 1: and terrified of syphilis. Our boy Kellogg took the Adventist
29:47
Speaker 1: doctrine of celibacy very seriously. Clearly he advocated abstinence for
29:55
Speaker 1: avoiding STIs and also, you know, for Jesus, he advised
30:01
Speaker 1: married patients not to have sex more than once a month,
30:04
Speaker 1: and also if they did have sex, it was for
30:08
Speaker 1: procreation purposes only. I should add, actually that doctor John
30:14
Speaker 1: Harvey Kellogg married Ella Eaton three years after he became
30:19
Speaker 1: a doctor, but they did not consummate their marriage and
30:24
Speaker 1: even kept separate bedrooms sidebun. Ella was an author, she
30:30
Speaker 1: was big in the temperance movement, and she was a suffragette.
30:36
Speaker 1: So they adopted slash fostered like forty two kids in total,
30:41
Speaker 1: all of them poor orphans, and like they were different
30:45
Speaker 1: races too. It wasn't just like a bunch of white
30:48
Speaker 1: kids or whatever. They had like a varied group like.
30:53
Speaker 1: It was a pretty decent sample size effectively, So a
30:58
Speaker 1: long story short, they never doctor Kellogg like most sexually
31:04
Speaker 1: repressed people, but masturbation led to health issues and societal evils.
31:12
Speaker 1: Ailments included loss of vision, So you know that old
31:15
Speaker 1: tale of you know, wanking too much is going to
31:18
Speaker 1: make you go blind, it's because of him.
31:21
Speaker 2: It's Kellogg's fault him. Also, he thought it.
31:25
Speaker 1: Led to womb cancer, impotence, epilepsy, insanity, urine reinfections, and death.
31:35
Speaker 1: He also thought that choking the chicken would lead to
31:37
Speaker 1: ailments caused by such a sinful act to be passed
31:41
Speaker 1: down genetically. So he was convinced that if you had
31:46
Speaker 1: epilepsy because you were wanking, that your kids would also
31:52
Speaker 1: have epilepsy because you masturbated. He genuinely believed that masturbation
32:00
Speaker 1: was a hereditary ailment which would lead to the downfall
32:04
Speaker 1: of humanity. He told parents to make sure their kids
32:07
Speaker 1: didn't master debate to the point of removing any and
32:11
Speaker 1: all privacy and even tying their hands down and worst
32:16
Speaker 1: of all, putting their genitals in cages, like why have
32:22
Speaker 1: some father son bonding when you can have some father
32:25
Speaker 1: son bondage? Like Kellogg doesn't know it right, but he
32:31
Speaker 1: spearheaded a movement without knowing. The creator of Conflicx was
32:36
Speaker 1: the father of a kink contraption, Doctor Kellogg.
32:41
Speaker 2: The kink King. I hate fucking hate that.
32:45
Speaker 1: Ah, Yet this part actually trigger warning. I'm going to
32:49
Speaker 1: talk about bad stuff, bad stuff. This is your trigger warning.
32:54
Speaker 1: I repeat, this is your trigger warning. If you are
32:58
Speaker 1: triggered by any discussion or references regarding mutilation or abuse,
33:03
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to skip forward about fifteen seconds and go.
33:09
Speaker 1: Doctor Kellogg advocated for genital mutilation, including surgically removing the clitterorists,
33:14
Speaker 1: circumcision without anesthetic, a silver citrus stown to the foreskin
33:18
Speaker 1: to prevent erections, and the use of carboric acid to
33:21
Speaker 1: burn genitals.
33:23
Speaker 2: Don't worry, it gets worse.
33:25
Speaker 1: Like a lot of white people back then, Kellogg was
33:28
Speaker 1: also super into eugenics. He was a founder of the
33:33
Speaker 1: Race Betterment Foundation, a eugenics organization. So this is not
33:38
Speaker 1: entirely relevant to the eugenics conversation, but I just would
33:42
Speaker 1: like to share that doctor Kellogg when he would exercise
33:45
Speaker 1: every day, would do so wearing only a loincloth. I
33:50
Speaker 1: felt the need to share that information for absolutely no
33:53
Speaker 1: reason whatsoever. Anyway, eugenics is selective breeding, which isn't great
33:59
Speaker 1: because that's how we ended up with pugs and the
34:03
Speaker 1: Habsburg Chin. So he was pro segregation and anti interracial marriage.
34:11
Speaker 1: And this is a dude who adopted slash fostered several
34:15
Speaker 1: black children, Like why if you thought they were less
34:22
Speaker 1: than why the fuck did you adopt them? Where's your
34:26
Speaker 1: Christian spirit there? Like, oh, we need to do better
34:29
Speaker 1: for ourselves and you know, for Jesus coming, and you're
34:32
Speaker 1: like this, this is what you've come up with. So
34:38
Speaker 1: he's got a weird stance. I mean, Kellogg organizes three,
34:45
Speaker 1: three separate large eugenics conferences, one of which was at
34:51
Speaker 1: the Chicago World Fair. Other eugenesis thought Kellogg was crazy
34:59
Speaker 1: because is he also believed in ethenix, which basically, if
35:05
Speaker 1: you're sinna, sinful traits will transfer to your kids biologically.
35:10
Speaker 1: Like the whole masturbation leads to, you know, the death
35:13
Speaker 1: of humanity at the sanatorium. The no salt, no sugar,
35:20
Speaker 1: no sin meals would get a bit much for some guests,
35:25
Speaker 1: and they would literally sneak out to a restaurant called
35:29
Speaker 1: the Little Red Onion, which I feel like made so
35:33
Speaker 1: much money just on people sneaking out for food with flavor.
35:39
Speaker 2: So they would sneak.
35:41
Speaker 1: Out and they would go there for a I would say,
35:44
Speaker 1: well seasoned steak. I mean, it's the eighteen hundreds. I
35:47
Speaker 1: feel like there wasn't a lot of seasonings, you know,
35:51
Speaker 1: in Michigan specifically, but also more than there was in
35:58
Speaker 1: the sanatorium, Like it wasn't salt, Like, come on, flavor
36:04
Speaker 1: your food.
36:05
Speaker 2: Dammit.
36:06
Speaker 1: What kind of people invade half the world to steal
36:10
Speaker 1: spices just to not use any of them when you're cooking,
36:14
Speaker 1: Like I can say, this is a white person, I
36:17
Speaker 1: can seizon your food, bitches. Nobody wants your dry ass
36:21
Speaker 1: plain chicken breast. So these people that would sneak out,
36:26
Speaker 1: like Kellogg called them the Sinner's Club, And so he
36:31
Speaker 1: would actually like take a steak and he would cut
36:35
Speaker 1: it and show it to them, and he'd be like,
36:37
Speaker 1: look at all this bacteria that's on this meat. It's
36:40
Speaker 1: destroying your colon, and it's like, is it it's tasty? Though?
36:46
Speaker 2: Have a prune? Kellog? You'd be fine.
36:50
Speaker 1: So, in an effort to promote sin free food, doctor
36:54
Speaker 1: Kellogg established the Sanitas Food Company and he enlists the
36:59
Speaker 1: help of his brother, William Keith Kellogg, who's eight years
37:04
Speaker 1: his junior. So when you know John Harvey was gallivant
37:09
Speaker 1: North and Medical School with one thousand dollars loan from
37:13
Speaker 1: the Whites, William Keith here was still in the family
37:19
Speaker 1: broom factory. He had stayed in Battle Creek and he'd
37:23
Speaker 1: become a salesman. He worked for the family broom business,
37:29
Speaker 1: but he had taken a four week business course, so
37:34
Speaker 1: he knows what he's talking about. He was also like
37:37
Speaker 1: naturally good with numbers, and he had joined the sanatorium
37:41
Speaker 1: staff like he had joined because his brother was like,
37:45
Speaker 1: come help me, and he's like, cool, sure, why not,
37:49
Speaker 1: it's not broom's yeah, And so he was there and
37:53
Speaker 1: he did fucking everything right. He did admin, He did bookkeeping,
37:58
Speaker 1: cashier work, was a shipping clerk. He was working out
38:02
Speaker 1: staff schedules and wroteas like he was doing all this
38:06
Speaker 1: stuff that keeps the business really afloat right. And doctor Ketlogg,
38:11
Speaker 1: to be honest, was a bit of a dick to
38:14
Speaker 1: his younger brother because he always saw himself is superior,
38:18
Speaker 1: Like he bullied him as a kid because you know,
38:21
Speaker 1: he's eight years older, which is wild because he was
38:26
Speaker 1: twelve when he left to go work at the publisher. Right,
38:31
Speaker 1: so his younger brother was four at that point. How
38:35
Speaker 1: can you be that much of a dick to a
38:37
Speaker 1: four year old? Like, I understand kids can be shitty,
38:40
Speaker 1: but also eh, so he would make him this is
38:46
Speaker 1: in adult times at the sanatorium. He would make him
38:50
Speaker 1: follow him around like all the time taking notes. You know,
38:57
Speaker 1: he would cycle into work and he would have to
39:00
Speaker 1: dog beside him, right, he had to follow him into
39:04
Speaker 1: the bathroom. Well he took a shit, as if you'll
39:08
Speaker 1: miss something important mid crap, Like maybe he was making
39:13
Speaker 1: him take notes of his bill movements because he seems.
39:15
Speaker 2: Like the kind of guy that would you know.
39:19
Speaker 1: He also had him shine of shoes and shave him
39:23
Speaker 1: like William Keith. Did all this for nine whole dollars
39:28
Speaker 1: a week, nine which was a total treat actually when
39:34
Speaker 1: you consider that the nurses weren't paid, and they were
39:38
Speaker 1: not paid because they got room and board and they
39:41
Speaker 1: had the privilege of working with the doctor John Harvey Kellogg.
39:49
Speaker 2: And his excuse, right, he.
39:50
Speaker 1: Was like, I don't take a salary, even though he had,
39:56
Speaker 1: you know, money that he was earning for speaking in engagements,
40:01
Speaker 1: from the books he was writing. Look, he was earning money,
40:07
Speaker 1: like he was selling like food through the Sanitas Company.
40:13
Speaker 1: He was doing stuff, he was making money, he just
40:16
Speaker 1: wasn't taking a salary from the sanatorium itself. And William
40:24
Speaker 1: Keith Kellogg, while being bullied by his brother, had a
40:28
Speaker 1: fairly stressful job as administrator. He ran the business, kept
40:33
Speaker 1: records and organized the staff of over a thousand people. Together,
40:39
Speaker 1: the Kellogg brothers spent many hours developing the recipes for
40:43
Speaker 1: food to be sold under the Sanitas Company. Yeah, so
40:46
Speaker 1: on top of all that, he's also R and D.
40:50
Speaker 2: Right, he's doing everything.
40:53
Speaker 1: And so together they create protos, nuttos, promos, and a
41:00
Speaker 1: thick paste that was from ground nuts, which they called
41:05
Speaker 1: nut butter. Doctor John Harvey Kellogg held the first peanut
41:11
Speaker 1: butter patent in the USA. Now the moment you've all
41:15
Speaker 1: been waiting for cornflex. So it all starts because doctor
41:21
Speaker 1: Kellogg is trying to create this easily digestible food for
41:25
Speaker 1: patients with gastro intestinal issues. And the doctor theorized that
41:30
Speaker 1: baking cereals at a higher temperature for longer periods would
41:34
Speaker 1: break down the starch and thus making them easier to digest.
41:40
Speaker 1: And at the sanatorium they served these double baked zwhyback
41:44
Speaker 1: biscuits which were easy to digest but difficult to chew,
41:51
Speaker 1: and so they were ground into small pieces called granola,
41:55
Speaker 1: which is nothing like the granola we know today. But
42:00
Speaker 1: this also led them to being sued because there was
42:03
Speaker 1: another person making something called granola, and so they had
42:07
Speaker 1: to change the name to granos because apparently every single.
42:12
Speaker 2: One of their foods has to sound like a Greek god.
42:16
Speaker 1: And so the brother Kelloggs thought they could do better. Now.
42:23
Speaker 1: John Harvey says it came to him in a dream,
42:26
Speaker 1: and William Keith says that he, his brother John Harvey,
42:30
Speaker 1: and his sister in law Ella were traveling a dough
42:35
Speaker 1: to create something like shredded wheat because ShredIt wheat had
42:39
Speaker 1: been taking over.
42:40
Speaker 2: Everyone was going wild for.
42:41
Speaker 1: This shredded wheat breakfast. Only their attempts had not been working.
42:48
Speaker 2: And one day John Harvey.
42:50
Speaker 1: Has called away for some reason, and will Keith has
42:54
Speaker 1: an older dough. It's gone off a bit, it's mold
42:57
Speaker 1: day and eh, I'm going to chuck it through the
43:01
Speaker 1: roller for another goal. And the dough, because I'd been
43:05
Speaker 1: sitting out, had templed. It basically means the air and
43:09
Speaker 1: water content had evened out. So when it goes through
43:13
Speaker 1: the rollers, it sort of cracked into flakes. It's like
43:16
Speaker 1: when you're temper in chocolate. You melt it to make
43:18
Speaker 1: it all even out and be the same consistency. And
43:23
Speaker 1: so they do this with this dough, and they do
43:27
Speaker 1: it again with a corn dough and voila.
43:30
Speaker 2: And this is.
43:32
Speaker 1: Where the brothers come to a head. So John Harvey
43:36
Speaker 1: wanted to sell this flaked corn cereal to patients of
43:39
Speaker 1: the sanatorium and subscribers to the Good Health magazine only,
43:45
Speaker 1: and William Keith thought that, you know, from a business perspective,
43:49
Speaker 1: it would be better to sell it to everybody. And
43:53
Speaker 1: so in eighteen ninety one, this fella CW Post becomes
43:58
Speaker 1: a patient of the sanatorium and so he comes back
44:02
Speaker 1: over the next few years and literally watched for food experiments.
44:08
Speaker 1: So John Halvey absolutely cool with it. William Keith is not.
44:14
Speaker 1: He's like, don't let him into the research lab. John
44:17
Speaker 1: ivs like, it's fine, what's he gonna do well.
44:21
Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked, because I'll tell you.
44:26
Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 2: In eighteen ninety five, CW.
44:29
Speaker 1: Post creates Post them Cereal beverage, and in eighteen ninety
44:36
Speaker 1: seven grape Nuts Cereal, which is not a good name,
44:41
Speaker 1: none of it's a good name, which becomes Postum Cereal
44:46
Speaker 1: to Post Cereal to General Foods because appartly that made
44:53
Speaker 1: more sense. So John Harvey when this happens, he is
44:58
Speaker 1: pested and accuses him of theft in Post at this
45:03
Speaker 1: point is a millionaire because he's selling hold.
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Speaker 2: This fucking cereal.
45:09
Speaker 1: And Post returns to the sanitorium dressed all in black
45:14
Speaker 1: as if headed to a funeral and smoking cigars, which
45:17
Speaker 1: obviously John Harvey cannot abide because he is a healthy,
45:20
Speaker 1: clean living person and he's just like blowing smoke at him,
45:27
Speaker 1: and Kellogg just ignores him. And so because he's ignoring
45:33
Speaker 1: this like grandiose display of gloating, I guess, just this
45:38
Speaker 1: big gloating situation, and Post calls him a dog, and
45:44
Speaker 1: Kellergg was like, how dare you? And so he's like, well,
45:51
Speaker 1: you know what dogs do, don't you. Like, effectively, the
45:55
Speaker 1: creator of Cornflex threatened to piss on him okay, So
46:04
Speaker 1: William Keith begs his brother to expand the business, and
46:08
Speaker 1: he refuses because doctor Kellogg doesn't want the medical community
46:13
Speaker 1: to look down on him, the man who exercises daily
46:17
Speaker 1: wearing only a loincloth. It reaches breaking point and William
46:22
Speaker 1: Keith Kellogg decides fuck this for a game of soldiers
46:25
Speaker 1: and he is ready to go, except the sanatorium has
46:29
Speaker 1: a massive file, and so he stays to oversee the
46:33
Speaker 1: rebuilding of the main building, all the while coming up
46:37
Speaker 1: with a dastardly plan to make the flecked corn cereal
46:42
Speaker 1: actually teste of something.
46:45
Speaker 2: So when his brother is wearing a business trip.
46:48
Speaker 1: He adds the Devil's dust sugar. He adds sugar, and
46:54
Speaker 1: doctor Kellogg is not happy when he returns. And in
46:58
Speaker 1: nineteen oh six, William Key branches out and establishes the
47:02
Speaker 1: Battle Creek Toasted corn Flake Company. Because remember, if you're
47:07
Speaker 1: going to have a business, it must have as many
47:09
Speaker 1: names as possible, as many as you can fit in there.
47:14
Speaker 1: He builds this business specifically to sell his flaked corn cereal. Meanwhile,
47:20
Speaker 1: doctor Kellogg sells his own version back at the sanitorium,
47:26
Speaker 1: so the Battle Creek Toasted Corn Flake company went.
47:29
Speaker 2: From strength to strength and.
47:32
Speaker 1: Makes a million bucks a year by nineteen ten, which
47:37
Speaker 1: is like thirty million in today's money.
47:42
Speaker 2: And John Harvey is fucking.
47:45
Speaker 1: Livid, and he changes Sanitas Food Company to Kellogg Food
47:53
Speaker 1: Company because he's like convinced that he's ruining the name
47:58
Speaker 1: the good name Doctor John Harvey Kellogg by having a
48:02
Speaker 1: company that sold cornflex So he changes the Sanitas Food
48:08
Speaker 1: Company to the Kellogg Food Company and fighting fire with fire,
48:14
Speaker 1: William Keith renamed his company to Kellogg's Toasted Corn Flax
48:20
Speaker 1: Company and then added his signature to the box, and
48:26
Speaker 1: in a move that is so petty, I'm actually quite
48:29
Speaker 1: proud of it, he adds a warning to the box
48:34
Speaker 1: saying to be aware of imitators. And William Keith sued
48:39
Speaker 1: John Harvey over the rights to the trademark Kellogg's. His
48:45
Speaker 1: brother countersuit, and this goes on for a decade until
48:52
Speaker 1: William Keith wins, and the two brothers they rarely speak
48:59
Speaker 1: if ever after this. It's at this point that Kellogg's
49:04
Speaker 1: decides to stick two fingers up to see w post
49:09
Speaker 1: with full rights to the name. He puts it on
49:12
Speaker 1: a fifty foot billboard in times square. Like even back
49:16
Speaker 1: then that was not a cheap thing to do. I
49:19
Speaker 1: feel like if you passed him on the street, you
49:21
Speaker 1: would have just been like, suck on these group nuts. AnyWho.
49:26
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty, William Keith Kellogg sets up the Child
49:30
Speaker 1: Welfare Foundation, which later becomes the WK Kellogg Foundation, donating
49:36
Speaker 1: sixty six million dollars worth of Kellogg Company stock for
49:39
Speaker 1: the betterment of poor and rural children. Because, like in
49:44
Speaker 1: the thirties, the Great Depression hits and mass unemployment was rife,
49:50
Speaker 1: and so he directed managers of the serial plant to
49:54
Speaker 1: rearrange shifts so that they were shorter, so less error
49:59
Speaker 1: shifts and more six hour shifts, meaning there would be
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Speaker 1: more shifts per day and they would have to hire
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Speaker 1: more staff, thus creating you know, more jobs there are
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Speaker 1: more workers in and creating support for families in the area.
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Speaker 1: Like this is the good kell Loog. Out of all
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Speaker 1: the Kellogs, this is the good one. Doctor Kellogg, however,
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Speaker 1: was not doing so well over the years. He loses
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Speaker 1: like a huge portion of his sanatorium clients. This puts
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Speaker 1: him in debt because you know, people aren't paying to
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Speaker 1: go there anymore, and eventually the sanatorium goes into receivership,
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Speaker 1: and in nineteen thirty John Harvey Kellogg moved to Miami Springs,
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Speaker 1: Florida and set up a smaller sanatorium and just kind
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Speaker 1: of sort of faded into obscurity. In nineteen forty two,
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Speaker 1: the brothers meet for the last time because William Keith
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Speaker 1: traveled down to Florida to see his brother, and the
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Speaker 1: conversation he thought it was very sort of like rambling.
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Speaker 2: It was about odd.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't like he felt like his brother wasn't the
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Speaker 1: full shilling. And the following year, doctor John Harvey Kellogg
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Speaker 1: is on his deathbed at the age of ninety one,
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Speaker 1: and he writes a letter to his brother apologizing for
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Speaker 1: his mistreatment of him over the years. Now, he sends
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Speaker 1: this in forty three, his brother doesn't receive it for
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Speaker 1: another eight years.
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Speaker 2: Now, he doesn't read it, or he.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't have it read to him until he is on
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Speaker 1: his deathbed. Ohso at the age of ninety one, because
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Speaker 1: when he got it initially, his eyesight had already started
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Speaker 1: to fade, and his staff they didn't want to read
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Speaker 1: it to him because they didn't want to upset him.
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Speaker 1: But when he reads it on his deathbed. He is
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Speaker 1: so upset that he never knew for eight years, he
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Speaker 1: didn't know that his brother had had a change of heart,
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Speaker 1: that he had apologized for the shit he'd.
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Speaker 2: Done to him.
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Speaker 1: But you know, better late than never, I guess.
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Speaker 2: And when he dies, he leaves like a.
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Speaker 1: Tiny amount of money to his kids, to his offspring,
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Speaker 1: like he's got money in charities and foundations, and he's like,
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Speaker 1: you guys have had a good enough start, Like here's
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Speaker 1: a little bit, but go figure it out on your own,
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Speaker 1: kind of like how the Hiltons did it, you know.
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Speaker 1: But so ends our story of the Kellogg brothers. If
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Speaker 1: you liked my retelling of the story of the Kellogg boys,
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Speaker 1: Sh wow, I forgot how much I loved the son
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Speaker 1: of my own voice.
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Speaker 2: No, that's great.
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Speaker 1: It was good to actually.
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Speaker 2: Do an episode again.
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Speaker 1: I'm very happy, and I'm at the day that this
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Speaker 1: is released, I will be on my way to Dublin
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Speaker 1: because I'm doing a talking Blanchards down on the darker
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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm going to do this because this is
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Speaker 1: I'm everywhere. So it's recommendation time. So for listening, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to recommend a podcast called Maintenance Phase with Aubrey Gordon.
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Speaker 2: And Michael Hobbes. Just just trust me on that one.
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Speaker 1: For watching, I've been watching The Gentleman, the TV show,
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