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Botch · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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  It's Deprogram, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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  band. That's right.
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  We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is press play
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  and listen. You could my name is Justin and
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  you could say I'm band curious. I like to discover new bands and
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  what a better place to do it than this podcast if if you are
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  like me. But I like to bring in my
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  friends to talk about bands that they love and they try to get me
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  into it. And in doing so, we come out
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  with A10 top 10 starter kit list for you to listen to so you can
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  get into the band today. You could say that I don't know,
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  we're going to do Japan. You could say we're going to
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  Spain, you'd say we're going to France, Nicaragua, however you
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  want to do it, any of those countries.
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  Or you could just say we're talking about botch.
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  And the way this is listed, I, I have to.
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  So John, you're first, which I assume means it was probably on
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  a big list at a point that that you submitted.
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  Yeah. So talk, talk to me about.
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  Botch is a band I've wanted to do for a long time.
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  OK, so we're finally getting him off the list.
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  So talk to me about Botch. Yeah, Botch is one of those
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  bands that, again, like, transcended their genre a little
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  bit. Like they're they're ostensibly
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  a hardcore band, but they take elements of like metal, punk and
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  indie rock and all different kinds of things to kind of like,
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  like they're very technical. They kind of meld it all
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  together to make this, like, unique sound that like no one
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  else had. And like, you know, we did Cave
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  In last year and like kind of a similar thing, but Cave In took
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  it in a very different direction.
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  Like they went a more commercial direction, a more like rock
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  oriented thing. But botch was like for a while
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  they were like the heaviest thing going.
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  And like when those records came out, I was like, man, there's
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  nothing else that sounds like this.
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  So you haven't wanted to do them for a long time?
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  So funnily enough, I, I, I see conversations going on in, in
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  the deprogram channels occasionally that I, I can't
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  chime in on. And I think Brian, you had
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  signed up for initially, like on the sign up sheet or something.
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  And I remember seeing you kind of talking about, about botch.
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  So I'm, I'm curious as to where I, I feel like I read that this
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  was like just a band that you kind of have discovered and you
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  were like, Oh, well, this was an excuse to get in on.
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  Yeah. So I was going through the list.
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  I think John had mentioned it, you know, he, I, I think he
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  listed like in the chat, like that's right, like 15 bands have
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  been kicking around for a long time and he really wanted to get
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  to. So usually when, when people do
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  that, like I'll go through real quick and just, you know, give
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  like a quick listen to all the bands.
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  And I'm not usually like the biggest like punk fan.
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  So I was like, ah, you know what, you know, you know, and I
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  know like a lot of John's bands are.
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  So I started listening through and I don't even remember which
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  song or two, like I picked from this band to like, listen to.
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  And I was like, OK, this is a little more hardcore.
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  Like, like, I do like, a lot more like hardcore punk.
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  And I listen to basically any kind of metal.
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  So I was like, yeah, you know, I'll put it on there.
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  And then I think it was even like, still like, you know,
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  months and months later, still hadn't happened.
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  And then, yeah, so this was kind.
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  And then I kind of like forgot about it.
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  So this was kind of like, this was almost purely like a
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  discovery for me, besides like the two songs I listened to
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  before I agreed to hop on with him.
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  So referencing that list, I I think it ended up on another
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  list that John put in in the chat.
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  And then Andrew was like, yeah, and this is how bad?
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  I won't go into full details, but you guys need to know, you
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  need to know this part of the story of how bad Andrew wanted
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  to come talk about botch today, feeling a bit under the weather
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  because of life circumstances and was bowing out.
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  And when we said, well, we probably can't reschedule, he
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  was like, you know what? I really want to be here, screw
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  it, I'm staying up. So Andrew, clearly this one is
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  is a big one for you. Talk to me about botch.
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  So yeah, Botch is a band that I I know I've mentioned in my past
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  episodes, like kind of how there's these formative moments
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  in like my musical discovery and my musical journey and around I
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  would have been around 1718 years old when I discovered like
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  I was I was already in the kind of heavy stuff at the time, more
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  on the more like, you know, new metal, like system of a down and
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  Tool and deaf tones, that kind of stuff.
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  And then, you know, I, we finally get Internet and Nova
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  Scotia and I get Limewire and I start discovering all these
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  underground bands just from like them, like on a website or
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  something being compared to, you know, just moved down or
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  whatever. And that's kind of how I
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  discovered this scene, like not the scene, but this genre of
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  metal or punk, like the, the metallic hardcore, I think is
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  what they kind of refer to it as instead of saying metal core,
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  cause metal core is kind of a slur.
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  If you're, if you could like listen to underground music or
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  play underground music. So this stuff I always seem
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  referred to as metallic hardcore, like botch, for
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  instance, cave in converge donor escape plan between the buried
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  and me's early stuff like that kind of thing.
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  So botch just kind of came to me through my discovery of a lot of
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  that other stuff. And botch is one that
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  immediately grabbed me. Whereas I think I had mentioned
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  in The Cave in episode, like cave in didn't get me right
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  away. Like it took it took took me a
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  while to warm up to them, but botch, like I heard the songs
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  that I downloaded off want Limewire.
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  The first two were Saint Matthew Returns to the womb and dead for
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  a minute. And it was like 5 seconds into
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  Saint Matthew returns to the womb hearing that riff.
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  And it was just like that. It changed me, you know, like it
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  changed the way that I looked at heavy music instead of thinking
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  it of heavy music as just like this like simple, like
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  aggressive type thing. It was Bach was.
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  They were still aggressive and heavy, but it was sophisticated
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  in the musicality of it. Yeah.
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  And it really, I don't know, Botch just always really spoke
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  to right from right from the first time I heard them, which
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  it was that it would have been after they had broken up because
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  I think they broke up in 2002, but it was just after.
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  So yeah, I've, I've had more than 20 years of listening to
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  this band and I still absolutely love them to this day.
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  That always the way you find a band and they're gone.
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  Yeah. So the good news here is like
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  John, well, first let me state this is, you know, like I need
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  to say it. This is a band I'd never heard
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  of before. I think.
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  I think my friend Josh maybe had bandied around this name before
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  listening to them. They sound like a band my my old
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  drummer Evan may have been into at a point, but nothing really
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  kind of like sent those bells of, yeah, I remember this coming
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  on my radar. So this is like a completely off
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  the radar band for me. So that said, like there's not a
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  lot here, John. It's it's 43 songs when you're
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  looking at it like, what are you looking to bring to the table
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  again? This is something you've been
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  wanting to talk about for a while.
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  Is there there stuff that came to you like immediately?
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  Yeah, like, and you know, when I first started to work on my
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  list, I was like, OK, so like I the stuff I know, like American
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  Nervoso, we are the Romans 2 full lengths.
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  I have a bunch of stuff from that.
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  There's the the singles collection and like it's, you
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  know, I had some of that stuff on in different things.
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  So I knew some of that stuff. I was like, this will be pretty
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  easy. Like I'll be able to go through
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  and like I said, 40 something songs get to pick, you know,
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  every other one. Basically this, this won't, this
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  won't be, won't be a problem, but it was much harder than I
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  thought. Like I, I had to really, you
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  know, stress about, you know, numbers 1819 and 20.
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  Like there's some songs that are going to get mentioned that I'm
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  not going to have and I'm going to be, I'm going to be upset
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  about it. But All in all, I mean, like,
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  and like usually like we got to talk about covers too, Like
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  Botch has two amazing covers. And normally that would be a
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  spot for me to go, OK, that's something I can cut.
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  But it didn't necessarily work out that way on this one.
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  So I had to make room for more stuff than I usually have to
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  make room for. And it ended up being a lot
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  harder than I thought it was going to be.
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  So Brian, being that that this was a discovery other than, you
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  know, those few songs that you kind of, you know, checked out
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  to do the sign up, what was this list building like?
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  Was it, you know, did you just build from the ground up and and
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  go there or how did it go for you?
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  I did a full listen and see that's what's so I said, you
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  know, I do listen to every type of metal.
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  Like I I usually put this under like noise metal kind of like
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  them and like Dillinger and so like like which I do like, but
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  I'm not always in the mood for it.
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  Like I have to be in the mood for it to listen to it.
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  So if I'm not in the mood for it, I'll listen to this list and
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  be like, Nah, Nah, Nah. So I, so I had to, you know,
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  make sure that I was in the right frame of mind to actually
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  like listen to it and enjoy it and stuff like that.
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  It was, it was a a lot tougher than I thought it was going to
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  be, but getting, getting get getting down to that final 20
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  was, was actually tough. I I, I mostly just went for the
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  ones that like, you know, I like the most, you know, had, you
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  know, had a lot of those elements, like Andrew said,
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  where, you know, where you mix in like, like the art along with
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  like the noise and stuff. And, you know, like a lot of
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  like the kind of like tongue in cheek humor that they seem to
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  have, you know, so it was, it was, it was tough for me, but I,
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  I think I have a good list here. So being a fan for them as long
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  as you've been Andrew, is this was this something that you kind
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  of you kind of threw together fast or were you having, you
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  know, list envy or was this difficult?
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  No, it wasn't super difficult. Not like Matt's like Matt's was
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  the hardest time I've had easily by far.
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  This one was relatively easy for me to get down to like the mid
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  20s almost right away. It did take some time getting
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  220, but yeah, no, it wasn't wasn't too crazy difficult.
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  What I did this go round is I was playing shit.
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  What's the name of that card game I downloaded for free?
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  I don't know, Bilatro, I was playing bilatro and I just
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  listened to the whole list and look, I'll be honest, this type
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  of metal is normally not my jam. Like normally just not something
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  I'd I'd be into. But there are moments in this
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  discog where that froze me. Like, I just stopped playing and
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  was like, aw, OK, this is what I'm after.
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  I think, you know, if I had to pin it down, it's probably like,
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  Andrew Bryan, you guys were were talking about those, those artsy
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  moments kind of finding their way in.
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  And I was, you know, when they do what they do well, oh, you
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  can really lock in on this band. And then there's moments where
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  you're just kind of like, OK, yeah.
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  I tried not to overthink it and try to really lean into those
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  moments that made me stop and go, whoa.
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  I liked that a lot. And I don't typically do that
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  with a band. I, you know, I try to like,
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  represent different sounds. I try to, you know, represent
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  different albums. I but no, I mean, I leaned
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  heavily into whoa with this one. And to John's point, yeah, man,
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  there are a couple really cool covers in in this playlist.
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  And I'm not going to lie or, or try to say that I don't have one
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  because I may or may not have one.
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  Just saying that that's again, how you know that a band can can
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  do something. Because if you can take a cover
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  and make it exactly your own, you know, you're on to
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  something. So we'll talk about that as we
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  get there. 43 songs, John. I mean it.
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  The math suggests that we should, we should mop this one
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  up. This should be easy, but do you
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  think it it it works out that way?
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  So you kind of hit on my you, you've been paying attention.
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  My strategy now is just to do analytics and just base it on
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  math. And yeah, the math like works
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  out. I'm pretty optimistic just based
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  on how many songs, but poor people like it's, it's throws a
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  little bit of a wrench into it. So I'm not, I'm not going to go
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  super high like in the 8 or 9 range, but I'm going to say 6.
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  I like 6 feels right we think, Brian.
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  I don't know. See, I was gonna actually, I was
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  actually going to go low because although you only have 43 songs,
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  like I'm trying to think of how many I I believe are home runs.
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  Like, I don't know. I also don't want a final say
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  because I feel like anytime I do a discovery, no, I like, I do
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  like like anytime I feel like I'd like I'm doing like a
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  discovery. And if I win final, say, I feel
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  like the other panel members who are like lifelong fans were
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  going to be pissed. So I'm gonna go low just for
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  that. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say 3.
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  Welcome to my world, friend. All right.
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  So I mean, there's a lot of stuff open here.
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  Andrew, you know, John is leaning positive with six and
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  Brian's going the low route with three.
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  I'm gonna, I'm gonna go bold because I think especially based
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  on comments about liking, you know, the, the left field parts
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  in their music, I'm going to be optimistic.
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  I'm going to say 9. Wow, I love that.
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  See, Brian's already taken my bit.
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  So where do I go with that? You know, I'll, I'm just going
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  to go split right down the middle with five.
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  It's like the first time in a long time it's been there.
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  So I'm going to I'll take the five.
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  All right, we're going to take a quick break.
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  And on the other side of it, we're going to play the game.
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  It's the program. And with that, the name of the
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  game is deprogrammed. The four of us have combed
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  through the Botch discography and plucked out 20 songs that
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  were now going to mash together in an attempt to create a top 10
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  starter kit for you. In case you have never given
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  Botch at the time of day. And I'm going different this
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  time. I'm going to go with one of
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  those moments that I talked about earlier.
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  Like I feel like the first time I went whoa, whoa.
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  And I had to stop for a second and really kind of take in what
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  this band was doing. And funnily enough, it's it's a
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  a song that's already come up in conversation.
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  And it's also a song I was listening to right before we
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  went on. And it gave me that same
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  feeling. So I was like, well, that's my
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  lead off. I'm going to go with Dead for a
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  minute. Yep.
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  Yep. Yep.
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  Hey, yeah, that one felt home runny when you know, the the
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  second time I heard it or the I guess the third time I heard it
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  when I was listening to it today, that one really just
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  really did a number on me. I was like, oh, some some really
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  great guitar tones come on computer, keep up with me.
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  Boom, One for one. We'll take that, John.
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  All right, this is, uh, the title of this is something I've
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  been saying to you for a long time, Justin.
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  I'm glad someone put a song to it.
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  How about I want to be a sex symbol on my own terms?
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  I have it. I don't but.
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  Yeah, I have it. All right.
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  Hey, very nice take that three. You might come in happy or might
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  come in handy later. I don't know why I missed that
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  one. Maybe I just didn't see the song
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  title. All right, Brian.
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  OK, All right. So I think I know where I'm
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  going to go. I want to say this was.
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  This was not spoiled for me. I didn't post my vote in the in
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  the last music league until literally 5 minutes ago and I
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  already had this song written down before I noticed that
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  Andrew put it up. Transitions from person to
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  object. Oh yeah, yeah, I got it.
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  No. Oh.
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  That's an interesting 3. We'll take it, though.
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  We'll take the three. All right, boom and boom 3.
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  All right, Andrew. All right, let's go.
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  First song, first album. Hot and great Heat Engine and
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  yeah. Yeah, I got it.
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  Definitely, yeah. So that song, when the first
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  time I heard that song and when I hear that as they're playing,
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  I hear Dave Knudsen be tuning his E string down an octave mid
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  song and playing that one note riff throat.
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  Like for the part they say that the song's about getting buried
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  by like a volcanic eruption, I guess, or a landslide or
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  something. I think it was.
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  And and when he screams and it buries us by the hundreds and
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  the guitars all tuned down and it's just that one note.
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  Like you can hear that E string slapping off of the the pickups.
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  It's so detuned. Like, yeah, just unreal.
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  Unreal. Again, you, you, you know, I
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  mean, first of all, I picked it because whenever you do the
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  thing, like I'm, I'm a, I'm always a huge fan of doing the
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  thing. But like also this is like those
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  moments where like, so I picked it initially on my first list
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  because they do the thing. When I came back around it, it
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  stayed on my list because, again, it's another one of those
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  whoa moments where it's like, oh, fuck yeah, this is what this
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  band does. So all right.
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  Oh, shit. Back around to me.
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  Well, this is the song I have listed at three.
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  My first two are gone already. So how about Japan?
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  Oh. Yeah.
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  No, I no, I don't have that one. No all.
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  Right. I really like.
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  Yeah, I did not see that one as a 2.
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  I I thought that one was a was a home run for sure.
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  That's the second one I've thought was a home run that did
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  not get a home run. I'll also say that when I asked
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  the Internet it's the only like actual song I got, I got one
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  person said all of them, which I was also shocked about, but
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  Japan was the only like person who answered with just a song so
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  that. Risk.
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  It is like the best, like straightforward riff in my for
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  for me. As far for Bach, as far as Bach
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  goes, I think Japan, that riff throughout that song is my
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  favorite riff of theirs. That that isn't like a weird
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  riff. It's just a great heavy 4/4
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  riff. Yeah, into it, yeah.
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  What was with the, what was with the countries with the Ms. like?
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  Was that just like, just like a humor like like another thing?
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  What were the what label were they on?
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  Was it Hydra head or was it another label when they were?
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  Yeah, Hydra head, yeah. What I read in an interview is
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  like they had their own names for all of their songs and then
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  the label. I think because of the time, you
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  know, like the bands, all the, you know, quote UN quote metal
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  core bands doing like songs with like these long weird names and
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  stuff. They said that Plydre Heads or
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  their label or whatever said they wanted them to have
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  different names for their songs because they had really simple
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  names like transitions from persona to object.
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  I think they said was just called Circus because they said
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  it sounded like a circus because of all the weird tapping and
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  hammering and the the crazy like effects and stuff.
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  Yeah. So I think that may have not had
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  had anything to do with the band, just them trying to be
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  like silly or or. Current.
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  Probably. Some kind of inside joke?
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  Probably. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, I can't imagine it was too serious cause like Aaron Turner
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  from ISIS owns Hydrahead and I can't see him being like, you
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  know, like a corporate doucher making them pains or something.
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  All right, like Japan gets 2 John where you want to go?
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  All right, let's go to the singles.
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  How about God versus science? Hell yeah.
• 25:34
  That feels bad to not have. Yeah, I was going to say that
• 25:39
  one next. I was going to say, anytime I
• 25:40
  see God versus science, I'm going to take it.
• 25:45
  All right, let's get to 3 though.
• 25:48
  It's really putting putting that nine on ice, though, Andrew.
• 25:52
  Yeah, yeah, it's not looking good.
• 25:55
  I mean all these threes. You better get a couple more.
• 25:57
  Yeah, all these threes are pretty good.
• 25:59
  All right, Brian, all. Right.
• 26:02
  All right, I was going to take that one because I love the
• 26:05
  title, mostly God versus science.
• 26:07
  This one I originally took too, because I love the title and
• 26:12
  because I love this person. See see Thomas Howell as the
• 26:16
  Soul man. Yeah, I got it.
• 26:19
  All right. Yeah, I got it.
• 26:24
  Yep. There we go, just like that,
• 26:27
  sitting. I never understood that joke
• 26:30
  until recently. I was listening to a podcast
• 26:37
  called It's like a football podcast called Heed the Call,
• 26:41
  and they were talking about, like, the most, like, out of
• 26:45
  pocket, like questionable moments in, like, entertainment
• 26:51
  history. And that's actually a thing.
• 26:55
  See, Thomas Howe, like, did an entire movie in blackface called
• 26:58
  The Soul. Yeah.
• 27:00
  Yeah. Yeah, he was also an outsider,
• 27:04
  so that's why he gets to vote. Plus he was an awesome serial
• 27:07
  killer for a couple episodes on Criminal Minds, so he gets to
• 27:09
  vote for that too. Jinkies, Mactavish.
• 27:15
  All right. See, Thomas Howell is in Andrew.
• 27:25
  OK, I'm going to stay on We Are the Romans and go with one that
• 27:30
  I already kind of mentioned a little earlier.
• 27:33
  Saint Matthew returns to the womb.
• 27:36
  Yeah, I got it. I got it.
• 27:40
  No. Oh.
• 27:42
  My God. Just out of curiosity, John, are
• 27:48
  these those ones you were talking about that you're not
• 27:52
  going to be? Yeah.
• 27:53
  Yeah, I don't have a good reason.
• 27:56
  Yeah, I just had to make room for other stuff.
• 28:00
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, at least we've got
• 28:03
  three's good. Yeah.
• 28:05
  I mean, at least we got some favorites on on these threes
• 28:08
  that seem like they'll be easy to get.
• 28:10
  Get in. All right, All right, I'll.
• 28:15
  I'll do it. I'll do the next one.
• 28:16
  I'll do the cover. I couldn't get away from this
• 28:21
  this because when I saw the title, I was like, no way.
• 28:24
  They're not doing that. And then it starts as like, OK.
• 28:30
  And then it keeps going. I'm like, fucking OK.
• 28:34
  Yeah, People should know about this.
• 28:36
  If I'm the only one, I'm the only one.
• 28:38
  If I'm not, Oh, Fortuna. Yes.
• 28:46
  No, I don't have it. Oh, I do that's that song is
• 28:51
  amazing, right. And like like to sing in Latin
• 28:56
  and like the way the drums are and like the way they it gets
• 29:00
  like dramatic and theatrical like Oh my God, it's
• 29:03
  unbelievable. Yes.
• 29:05
  Yeah, dude, like I, I had the same thought as you did.
• 29:09
  You know, I get, I get ribbed a lot for, you know, saying I'm
• 29:13
  never going to bring a cover, but it's not, it's just not
• 29:15
  true. It just has to be a really good
• 29:18
  one that showcases the band. This is one of the best.
• 29:22
  Yeah, this is like outstanding. Like this is.
• 29:25
  Yeah, that's botched doing. Oh, Fortuna, that's fucking
• 29:28
  great. So all right, I'll take that.
• 29:31
  I. Regret not putting it on my on
• 29:33
  my list now, it is a great cover.
• 29:36
  Well, you know, again, I can understand, you know, sometimes
• 29:39
  you're looking for whatever reason, right, you know, to to
• 29:42
  lose a song. So I get, you know, the cover is
• 29:46
  the reason it goes, but you know, I just I couldn't ignore
• 29:50
  it. So, all right, John all.
• 29:56
  Right, I'm going to do I'm going to do the other one.
• 29:58
  So when I saw a botch live, the only time I got to see them in
• 30:02
  Atlanta, they we talked to them after the show.
• 30:06
  They did, they did not play this this cover, even though they
• 30:09
  were in Georgia And we asked them.
• 30:12
  They were like, we were like, Hey, you know, why didn't you
• 30:15
  play, you know the song? And like we were living in
• 30:19
  Athens at the time. It was like, oh, you got to come
• 30:20
  to Athens and play the show and play the song.
• 30:24
  And singer was like, Hey, if you get if you get the singer of
• 30:29
  this band there, we will play it.
• 30:31
  And to my, you know, unending regret, we were not able to pull
• 30:37
  that off. But the cover still rules.
• 30:39
  It's rock lobster. God bless you.
• 30:43
  I don't I wanted to because it's equally as good.
• 30:48
  I, I fucking loved this as again, I was like, no way, no,
• 30:55
  they're not doing the rock lobster right.
• 30:57
  And then sure enough, I was like, Oh my fucking God, this
• 31:02
  rules. I, I don't have it, but I, I
• 31:08
  regret it, yeah. Yeah, I, I don't have it either.
• 31:11
  It was, I think it was like 21. And as far as the covers go, I
• 31:16
  think I I do prefer Rock Lobster to Oh Fortuna as well.
• 31:21
  You got to play some of it just, and I know we don't really do
• 31:24
  that anymore, but you got to pull that pull a little bit up
• 31:26
  and down. Yeah, because it went into the
• 31:27
  bin. It's the first one to go into
• 31:28
  the bin. So you guys should know that
• 31:33
  that these are really good covers or they wouldn't be
• 31:36
  brought up in conversation. Yeah.
• 31:39
  I'm going to turn up just a second.
• 31:43
  Seriously, listen to that. There you go.
• 31:46
  That's all we get because I'll get in trouble all right.
• 31:52
  Unfortunately. Rock lobster into the bin,
• 31:56
  Brian. All right.
• 32:02
  How about frequenting mass transit?
• 32:09
  No. No.
• 32:11
  I, I don't have it, but I I feel like there's a caveat to that
• 32:20
  song because there's two versions of it and the other one
• 32:27
  is on the one from We Are the Romans called Frequency Ass
• 32:31
  Bandit. I didn't pick up on that.
• 32:38
  Yeah, they're they are different.
• 32:41
  Like it's very slightly different, but they are kind of
• 32:46
  different song. All right, Brian's in the bin
• 32:52
  then. I'm in the bin all.
• 32:54
  Right, Andrew? Well, yeah, I'll just say it.
• 33:01
  Frequency. Ask Bandit.
• 33:02
  Yeah, I got it. I don't.
• 33:06
  Yeah, but I like that version better.
• 33:10
  I did not catch that they were similar, I just I had frequency
• 33:15
  ass bandit because it's fab. I think frequenting mass transit
• 33:21
  stayed more in 4-4 throughout the song and frequency.
• 33:25
  Ass Bandit throws in some weird weird yeah all.
• 33:33
  Right. All right, I'll go to the end of
• 33:43
  our list here. How about 1/22?
• 33:49
  Yeah, no, that was their reunion song that just came out a couple
• 33:53
  of years ago and I couldn't, couldn't find room for it.
• 33:58
  Oh no, I don't have it. I had a feeling it was like, I
• 34:02
  wasn't sure if, you know, it was that reunion, but I had a
• 34:05
  feeling it was something like towards the end or whatever.
• 34:09
  And I was like, oh man, it's cool that they could still do
• 34:12
  it. I didn't look at the years so.
• 34:14
  But I thought it was neat. All right, we'll take that 2.
• 34:19
  Still clinging on to life. Nope.
• 34:23
  Well, yeah, technically all right, John all.
• 34:29
  Right, let's go with with the weird man.
• 34:33
  I'm a sucker for a long song. How about man the ramparts?
• 34:37
  Oh fuck yeah, yes. Oh man, no Dang it, I think.
• 34:44
  We can all do some Gregorian chant together.
• 34:48
  That's that's something that I've tried to incorporate into
• 34:51
  one of my band's songs. Back to the conversation we were
• 34:54
  having earlier. Tried to, I tried to pitch it to
• 34:57
  them. Like we got to end the song with
• 35:01
  some kind of Gregorian chant as as an homage to the bot.
• 35:08
  That's fucking awesome. And I I think they have another
• 35:13
  version of this song as well called Ram the Man Parts.
• 35:19
  Is there like there's like a drum and bass remix or something
• 35:22
  too? Yeah, something like that.
• 35:23
  Yeah, yeah. Weirdos love it.
• 35:28
  All right man, the Ramparts gets 3 and now we're starting to edge
• 35:32
  out them twos. Probably Brian.
• 35:40
  Let's go with Framps, Framps. I got it.
• 35:47
  Yeah, I got it. Yeah.
• 35:49
  Yes. Oh.
• 35:51
  Thank God I'm happy because we're off that three now.
• 35:58
  Someone understands my pain. Someone understands for once.
• 36:03
  Although there were a lot of, there's a lot of threes here
• 36:06
  that I would dip in there easily, so it actually wouldn't
• 36:09
  be as hard as I thought. Yeah, I really enjoyed that
• 36:14
  anthology of dead ends record. Like as as a whole, like, I like
• 36:19
  that one a lot, yeah. All right.
• 36:23
  They went out at their best for sure, like at the height of
• 36:28
  their powers when they wrote that.
• 36:31
  All right, let me scroll. This framps up to the top and
• 36:37
  Andrew. I'm going to stay on Framps and
• 36:43
  it's as far as their discography goes.
• 36:46
  It's a weird one. It's a long one.
• 36:52
  It's might be my favorite song by them.
• 36:56
  I'm going to go with Afghanistan.
• 36:59
  Oh. Yes.
• 37:02
  No, no. As you can tell, that's that awe
• 37:07
  that dejected feeling is AI. Definitely had that on my first
• 37:11
  pass sound. I'm just I'm just happy that I'm
• 37:17
  landing on these with like the Super fan that like that just
• 37:24
  gives me some validation. This is like when I did like
• 37:26
  Duran Duran, which I didn't really know it either, and I was
• 37:30
  like me and Adam were like hitting me and Adam, me and
• 37:33
  Gavin were just hitting and hitting.
• 37:34
  So now I'm. Happy.
• 37:36
  Yeah, I get that. All right.
• 37:41
  So now what? Are we back to Me.
• 37:44
  I forgot to move. C Thomas L All right, let me see
• 37:53
  here. 1234567891011 Yeah, we've got a good couple left here.
• 38:02
  How about EBB? No.
• 38:08
  No. I'll save you.
• 38:10
  I got. It.
• 38:11
  Yeah, All right, I'll take that. I'll take it too.
• 38:14
  It, you know, ultimately is probably in the bin, but we'll
• 38:19
  take it too. Although we're a couple, we're
• 38:24
  only two away from John 6. Possible that it could get
• 38:28
  saved. We're one away from my one or my
• 38:30
  5. All right, John.
• 38:35
  I'm going to stick with the the anthology Songs about Closure.
• 38:39
  Yes, Sir. No.
• 38:43
  No, I don't have it. Interesting.
• 38:47
  OK. Another two, all right, Brian.
• 38:55
  About reject, Soft reject spoken softly.
• 39:00
  Yeah, I got it. No, I don't have it.
• 39:03
  No. Another two Boom boom and
• 39:11
  Andrew. I'm going to go with an absolute
• 39:16
  scorcher off the first album. John Woo, Oh.
• 39:21
  No, no. That's that's a cut I was upset
• 39:25
  about. I'll save you again.
• 39:28
  I got it. All right, all right, You guys
• 39:31
  remember, like, I don't know, maybe an hour, an hour and a
• 39:34
  half ago when I said I'm having list regret.
• 39:38
  Yeah, that was the song I was listening to.
• 39:40
  I was like, oh, Oh no, I missed one.
• 39:44
  Yeah, that one rips. Well, again, we're not that far
• 39:50
  away from all some people who can save it all right.
• 40:02
  How about hives? No, I don't have it.
• 40:11
  Yep. Yep, I got it too.
• 40:17
  Take a three there again. I mean, those twos are now just
• 40:24
  hoping to be saved because it looks like they're going to get
• 40:28
  pushed out. All right, John.
• 40:34
  Stupid me. Oh man.
• 40:37
  Now. I got it.
• 40:40
  I'll take it. We'll take the two there.
• 40:45
  I would have thought for sure that one would have you.
• 40:47
  Yeah, I would have thought for sure that would have landed on
• 40:49
  on my list. All right, Brian.
• 40:56
  Well, swimming the channel versus driving the tunnel.
• 41:01
  No. That's the only song on We Are
• 41:08
  the Romans that I do not have. Oh man.
• 41:12
  Yeah, no, I can't save you this time.
• 41:15
  Man. All right, Andrew.
• 41:19
  Only three? It's only three in the trash
• 41:21
  though. It's pretty good.
• 41:22
  Yeah, seriously. Yeah.
• 41:26
  I'll go with one of the what is it the B sides or the Anthology
• 41:32
  album? Whatever it is.
• 41:33
  Another funny name, one liquored up and laid.
• 41:38
  No. No.
• 41:42
  A late late cut button. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was
• 41:46
  the last handful. All right.
• 41:51
  I think we got a couple more rounds in this here.
• 41:55
  I only got. I only got.
• 41:56
  Let's see, I got 1. I got one left.
• 42:01
  Wow. Whoa, still got five?
• 42:05
  Yeah. I got 6, I got 6.
• 42:09
  Yeah. I mean, I have two that went in
• 42:10
  the bin, but I got unless I miscounted here.
• 42:15
  Hold on. No, I'm I'm looking at a lot of.
• 42:25
  Yeah, I wrote down on 20. I wrote down on 20.
• 42:27
  Mine. Yeah, I'm down to 1.
• 42:28
  All right, so we'll, this will be our last round then and we'll
• 42:31
  dump out after that. How about Mondrian was a liar?
• 42:42
  Yeah, I got it. No.
• 42:46
  I got it. Jump.
• 42:54
  All right, to our friends in the Great White North.
• 42:58
  Yes, Sir. Oh yeah, no, I wish I had that
• 43:04
  one. All right, Brian.
• 43:10
  So damn. No.
• 43:14
  No. No.
• 43:17
  All right, so I have. I have one more of those, but
• 43:19
  it's not that one. Yeah, same.
• 43:20
  Yeah. Same.
• 43:23
  All right, so. I'm out.
• 43:24
  Yeah, that means 4 is the best we're going to do.
• 43:27
  That means none of us are going to win, so we're going to have
• 43:31
  to work our way through the rest of our list.
• 43:35
  All right, Andrew. Oh, wait, no, no, I'm sorry.
• 43:38
  I have one more. I'm an idiot.
• 43:40
  OK. All right, I'll see if I can hit
• 43:48
  on that. That other one from the EP Viet
• 43:54
  ma'am. Yes, Sir.
• 43:58
  No all. Right, we'll take that 3.
• 44:06
  It's a lot. Making the conversation harder
• 44:08
  now. Yeah, really.
• 44:12
  All right. I think we still dump out even
• 44:14
  though Brian found an extra 1. Yeah, I'm down to 2.
• 44:20
  Yeah, I'm down to three. I think that's where I'm at. 2.
• 44:25
  Oh yeah. Because it didn't mark off VMM.
• 44:27
  All right, let me start at the top here.
• 44:29
  Dally's praying mantis. Yep.
• 44:34
  No. No all.
• 44:37
  Right, all right, we already got that one.
• 44:41
  I forgot to mark it off in spite of this.
• 44:47
  Yeah. That's my last one.
• 44:50
  I. Have the 2. 3 and my last one
• 44:58
  funnily enough. End of discussion.
• 45:03
  Nope. No.
• 45:06
  Oh, in the bin on my last one, I went 19 for 20.
• 45:14
  Unreal. Unreal.
• 45:18
  All right, so we still hit only four, so that doesn't change.
• 45:23
  So what do you got? Left one, John?
• 45:26
  Yep, third part in a tragedy. Oh, that was a real late cut.
• 45:32
  Now I don't have it. Then I'm 18 for 20.
• 45:36
  There you go. And Andrew?
• 45:43
  My last two are OMA and thank God for the worker bees.
• 45:50
  Oma is another one that I was listening to right before we
• 45:53
  went on that I was like, I wish I could find room for, but
• 45:57
  obviously I did not do the work. So, all right, I mean, I think,
• 46:04
  I think it's the math here, you know, because when you look at
• 46:07
  how many threes we have, the math just kind of wasn't math.
• 46:11
  And for us to get, you know, a bunch of unanimous.
• 46:14
  But we're off to a good start with four math.
• 46:17
  Yeah, math, math math. Hutton's great heat engine did
• 46:21
  for a minute see Thomas Howell as the soul man and Framps are
• 46:25
  already in. All right, so let's start
• 46:28
  looking at these threes. We've got transitions from
• 46:32
  persona to object. I want to be a sex symbol on my
• 46:35
  own terms. God versus science.
• 46:38
  Saint Matthew returns to the womb.
• 46:41
  O Fortuna frequency ass bandit man the ramparts hives Viet man
• 46:50
  to our friends in the great white North Mondrian was a liar
• 46:55
  in spite of this and yeah, in spite of this is the last one.
• 46:59
  All right, so John, is there ones that you know, I'm that I
• 47:01
  read off that you're like, man, that really should have been in.
• 47:06
  Yeah. Oh, Fortuna, obviously like
• 47:11
  that. It has to be in.
• 47:14
  I mean, I, you know, I hate going back.
• 47:17
  I hate to go to going to bat for a cover, but the fact that it
• 47:21
  found all three of us, you know, like, I also feel like it really
• 47:30
  puts the band on display taking a song like that and making a
• 47:34
  sound like a botched song. Andrew, you're the odd man out
• 47:38
  there. What do you think?
• 47:41
  Oh yeah, I'm all in. Absolutely.
• 47:43
  Boom. Were you going to say something,
• 47:45
  Brian? I'm sorry.
• 47:47
  No, I hit a accident. All right, so let's let's do a
• 47:53
  Fortuna. All right, Brian, you said
• 47:56
  there's a bunch of these threes that that you would go to bat
• 47:58
  for. Is there 1 specifically staying
• 48:02
  out to you? Well there's a couple, so one I
• 48:07
  want to throw my vote behind frequency ass bandits since I
• 48:13
  had frequency mass transit so I I'm fine turning that into a
• 48:17
  four. I also feel like I also feel
• 48:20
  like transitions from person to object should be there too, but.
• 48:25
  But. Let's start with the frequency
• 48:27
  bandit, OK? That's yeah, that gets us to six
• 48:33
  before moving on. Like how do you feel about
• 48:37
  Persona John? It would be my first choice, but
• 48:44
  I'm willing to willing to listen to arguments.
• 48:47
  So let's let's finish this round and then come back to it.
• 48:53
  Andrew, is there one that's jumping out at you?
• 48:58
  There's two that are jumping out at me and one of them is the one
• 49:01
  that we're going to come back to.
• 49:03
  All right. The other one would be Saint
• 49:08
  Matthew returns to the womb. All right.
• 49:11
  So yeah, I feel like you kind of already mentioned, John, that
• 49:15
  that's one that you were going to feel bad about not having.
• 49:20
  Do you, do you still feel that way or is it still?
• 49:24
  Well, again, I'm, I still think there's like I think we need
• 49:29
  something from the earlier like era, like the hardcore area,
• 49:36
  like I'm looking at like God versus science in spite of this,
• 49:43
  like one of those I think needs to be in before we get too far
• 49:48
  deep in this and don't have room for it all.
• 49:51
  Right. What do you think, Andrew?
• 49:53
  I'd I would not have any argument against God versus
• 49:58
  science being going. Yeah, that would be my choice
• 50:01
  probably too. I was the only I was the odd man
• 50:04
  out there. So as Curtis would say, and
• 50:06
  Curtis, we'd love to have you back on the show.
• 50:09
  Miss you buddy. Helmet, Helmet.
• 50:14
  We'll get around to it. Knock me over with a feather, as
• 50:19
  he would say. All right, so all right, now
• 50:22
  let's we've got God versus science.
• 50:24
  So now we should talk about is it a either or situation do you
• 50:28
  think Andrew with persona versus Saint Matthew?
• 50:34
  So I was thinking earlier today I was like, like, what if I got
• 50:42
  the, you know, the power to pick the one song, like what the
• 50:50
  essential box song? And it came down to three for
• 50:57
  me. One of them would have been
• 50:58
  Hutton's Great Heat engine, and then the other two were
• 51:01
  Transitions and Saint Matthew. I feel like Transitions.
• 51:08
  I I always liked the song and then when I saw them play it on
• 51:14
  their, their farewell show, like I, I saw the live version of it,
• 51:20
  it kind of like transcended like what it what it originally was
• 51:29
  on, on tape or on, you know, CD or whatever.
• 51:34
  Just how it just descends into just insane chaos and and noise
• 51:43
  after like such a cool like weird off kilter build up.
• 51:46
  I don't know. I, I feel like it's, it defines
• 51:50
  botch. It's like the most botch song by
• 51:54
  botch. Yeah, I didn't.
• 51:58
  I didn't have either one, but I would probably lean towards
• 52:01
  transitions over Saint Matthew. All right.
• 52:06
  I mean, that sounds like a concession.
• 52:08
  I mean, we can take transitions, right, and then proceed.
• 52:13
  Yeah. That's not, you know, saying
• 52:16
  Saint Matthew's out. That's just saying transitions
• 52:19
  is in. All right.
• 52:24
  So what does that take us up to? 8?
• 52:27
  Yeah, Yeah. So we still have two more spots
• 52:30
  here. By sounds of it, Andrew would
• 52:34
  really like it to be Saint Matthew or one of the two to be
• 52:40
  Saint Matthew. Is there something else kind of
• 52:41
  jumping out at you, John? Yeah, via Vietnam and the
• 52:48
  ramparts. I want to be a sex symbol.
• 52:51
  Think those would be good choices as well.
• 52:56
  So do we think that this could be a Saint Matthew plus one of
• 53:01
  those situations? I would pick two of those over
• 53:07
  Saint Matthew, but that's just me.
• 53:08
  OK, what were you going to say? Andrew I would be fine with two
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  of those over Saint Matthew because all three of those songs
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  are great. I'd probably personally lean
• 53:19
  towards man the ramparts and I want to be a sex symbol as much
• 53:23
  as I do like Vietnam, I and I don't want to be that guy that
• 53:28
  like just, you know, sings the praises of We are the Romans and
• 53:33
  like what it did like for music in general.
• 53:38
  But yeah, I don't know those. Those two songs I think would
• 53:42
  absolutely fit. So this is an interesting thing,
• 53:47
  Brian. Like both you and I were new to
• 53:49
  this band and I didn't have either of those songs, but you
• 53:54
  had both of them. Like, are you?
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  Yeah. Are you on on board with Sex
• 53:59
  Symbol and Man the Ramparts? Yeah, I mean, I had sex symbol
• 54:04
  man, the ramparts and Saint Thomas or Saint Matthew returns.
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  So like I'm mad. I I honestly be fine with any of
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  those two. So, you know, if we're going to
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  the Ramparts, I think would be mine if I were to rank the three
• 54:20
  man, the ramparts would be my number one.
• 54:23
  So I'll put a definite, definite vote behind that.
• 54:28
  And then yeah, like I'd be, I would say my freaking Wi-Fi
• 54:34
  keeps going down to red. Like I'd be fine.
• 54:38
  Either one of the other ones. All right, so I mean, it's I
• 54:43
  feel like it's just by based on what I'm hearing is it should be
• 54:48
  sex symbol and man, the ramparts.
• 54:51
  If anybody disagrees, may they speak now.
• 54:53
  All right, let me shuffle that up.
• 54:58
  I'll read it down and then then I'll turn the heat up again like
• 55:00
  we need heat. Jeez, did that not shift?
• 55:04
  I think it did come on computer. All right, Hutton's great heat
• 55:08
  engine dead for a minute. See Thomas Howell is the soul
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  man Framps. Oh, Fortuna frequency ass
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  bandit, God versus science transitions from persona to
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  object. I want to be a sex symbol on my
• 55:18
  own terms. And man, the ramparts.
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  John, when I read down those 10 songs, which one do you think is
• 55:27
  the one? Yeah, I'm.
• 55:31
  I'm tempted to say oh, Fortuna, and I still might, but my my
• 55:39
  choice, I think, is C Thomas Howell as the Soul Man.
• 55:41
  OK. All right.
• 55:42
  I like that. What do you think, Brian?
• 55:48
  This is where, this is where I knew it would be tough.
• 55:53
  C Thomas Yes, also I I usually try to go with, you know, one of
• 56:02
  the one of the fours when we do these.
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  And like, I kind of want to go with like kind of like the
• 56:13
  outlayer of like dead for a minute.
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  But I also want to go with like, you know, like the hard hitters.
• 56:25
  Oh, I'll throw the hard hitters, but you know what I mean?
• 56:28
  Well, yeah, I'm just trying to think of something that'll stand
• 56:30
  out in the crowd and stuff. Yeah.
• 56:34
  That that, oh, I mean Thomas out.
• 56:35
  That song title would stick out. Yeah, that title definitely is
• 56:39
  what is what brought me to that song.
• 56:41
  Like I, I looked through the list and that was like one of
• 56:44
  the first songs I had played. I didn't play in order.
• 56:46
  I put I went to that song first. So they wanted what was up with
• 56:49
  it. So yeah, I I would go between
• 56:53
  that and like maybe dead for a minute, but yeah, either,
• 56:58
  either, either way. What?
• 57:00
  Do you think Andrew? Honestly, I would probably lean
• 57:09
  towards ramps, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't push too hard against
• 57:20
  like any of the ones that have been mentioned, like bed for a
• 57:24
  minute. It's great.
• 57:25
  See, Thomas Howell's great. Yeah, Like I say, I I probably
• 57:31
  wouldn't push back too hard, but that's that's where I would
• 57:35
  where I would go would be France.
• 57:38
  So interestingly, those were the three I was eyeballing.
• 57:43
  I I had dead for a minute ahead by a, you know, an eyelash,
• 57:49
  mostly for personal reasons of, you know, that was a song that
• 57:53
  kind of I locked in on France was the other one I was looking
• 57:58
  at. Just I again, we keep looking at
• 58:03
  the math here, right? And the math says those four
• 58:08
  were unanimous. They found all four of us,
• 58:11
  including two dudes who had never listened to the band worth
• 58:15
  noting. And if you look at our album
• 58:18
  representation, there's five from We Are the Romans, which
• 58:22
  kind of leads leads me towards C Thomas Howell as being our pick
• 58:26
  because that is the one that's the album we have the most
• 58:30
  representation from. And maybe we should go, hey, by
• 58:34
  the way, this is from that record.
• 58:39
  I don't know like. I like that.
• 58:40
  I like that thought process. That makes sense.
• 58:42
  Right, like. Yeah, it might, might have
• 58:44
  convinced me there. There we go.
• 58:47
  So, I don't know, sounds like we're in agreement.
• 58:49
  Then let's let's grab that. Let's not beat around the Bush.
• 58:54
  Hey fellas, see Thomas Howell as the soul man will be our number
• 58:58
  one and let me get it queued up. I'll run us down one last go and
• 59:03
  we'll get on out of here. I think that that movie has been
• 59:08
  erased from the the Internet. I don't think you can even watch
• 59:11
  that movie anymore. See Thomas Howell as the soul
• 59:16
  man. You can't watch it, but you can
• 59:18
  listen to it. Hutton's great heat engine dead
• 59:20
  for a minute. France O Fortuna frequency ass
• 59:23
  bandit God versus science transitions from persona to
• 59:25
  object. I want to be a sex symbol on my
• 59:27
  own terms. And a man of the Ramparts rounds
• 59:30
  out our 10. Let's let see Thomas Howell as
• 59:32
  the soul man. These people, these bands with
• 59:35
  their long ass titles. Let's give it a moment in the
• 59:38
  sun. There's always these, there's
• 59:49
  always these moments. And I kind of forgot that that
• 59:52
  this is another one of those songs that has those moments
• 59:55
  that just kind of goes, yeah, this is what this band does.
• 59:58
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