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Trump's Happy-Go-Lucky Debate Strategy · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: What's up, Phoenix? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, and for anybody gay here.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey.
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  Speaker 8: They know what I mean, and you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: All right, fine.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand either.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get to the news.
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  Speaker 4: Our last live show was exactly 50 days ago in Madison, Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 4: Less than 48 hours before Joe Biden passed the torch
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  Speaker 4: to Kamala Harris after the most consequential debate in history.
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  Speaker 4: We are now 70 hours away. from the first and
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  Speaker 4: so far only scheduled debate between Harris and Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: just one week before early voting begins in the 2024 election.
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  Speaker 4: Who's got a pit in their stomach?
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel good, but I feel better than I would.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. I'll take that.
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  Speaker 4: The vice president is off the trail preparing for the
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  Speaker 4: debate in a Pittsburgh hotel. There's a replica stage, practice sessions,
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  Speaker 4: and a Trump stand-in who's gone full method.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out Philippe. Philippe Reines.
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  Speaker 3: I worked with.
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  Speaker 8: Philippe almost 20 years ago when I was first in D.C.
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  Speaker 8: And there is no one who would spend more time
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  Speaker 8: and effort learning every single mannerism and fact about a
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  Speaker 8: person than Philippe. A kind of deep and broken obsession.
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  Speaker 4: For people who don't know, Philippe also played Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: to help prep Hillary Clinton during the 2016 debates. He
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  Speaker 4: was also full method then, wore like boxy suit, ties,
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  Speaker 4: did the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that he ever came out of it, frankly. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's the question. I got dinner with.
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  Speaker 8: Him a couple years ago. He ordered his burger well done.
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  Speaker 4: He's been stuck for the last nine years, whatever it's been. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: Trump himself, ever the wonk, is preparing with what he
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  Speaker 4: calls policy time, which involves, I guess, huddling with his
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  Speaker 4: advisors and this.
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  Speaker 3: Her favorite show is Law & Order.
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  Speaker 9: And there's an almost exact story, as her story, in
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  Speaker 9: Law & Order about being attacked in the dressing room
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  Speaker 9: of a department store. I never met the woman other
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  Speaker 9: than this picture, which.
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  Speaker 3: Could have been AI-generated. I don't know.
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  Speaker 10: Showed up out of nowhere, but it's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Nice picture.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm disappointed in my legal talent.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you.
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  Speaker 9: But this is a disgraceful case, and disgraceful in particular
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  Speaker 9: because it's about a former president of the United States.
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  Speaker 3: Who is now leading in the polls. If you look
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  Speaker 3: at the.
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  Speaker 9: Nate Silver, very respected guy, I don't know him, but
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  Speaker 9: he has me up by a lot. I'm going into
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  Speaker 9: very hostile territory shortly on a debate with ABC, George
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  Speaker 9: Slopidopoulos and that group And ABC, I think, is the
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  Speaker 9: worst of everybody.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're the worst.
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  Speaker 4: So I guess that was the message event for Friday.
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  Speaker 4: That's what they were pushing ahead of the debate.
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  Speaker 1: Quick 50-minute press conference. No questions. No questions. No questions.
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  Speaker 4: Just complaining about his legal troubles. And Jane, he was
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  Speaker 4: complaining about his legal troubles even though he got mostly
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  Speaker 4: good news this week on that front. The judge just
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  Speaker 4: postponed sentencing. for his felony conviction until a few weeks
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  Speaker 4: after the election. You know, the wheels of justice. And
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  Speaker 4: the judge in the January 6th trial said that that
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  Speaker 4: won't begin until well into 2025, all of which means
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  Speaker 4: the outcome of this election for Trump is either the
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  Speaker 4: White House or the Big House.
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  Speaker 1: Not your Big House.
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  Speaker 3: Not your Big House.
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  Speaker 4: How do you think if at all, Kamala Harris should
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  Speaker 4: handle this in the debate? And then more broadly, what's
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  Speaker 4: the overall case you think she should be prosecuted?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, personally, if she just spent a lot of
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  Speaker 5: time going, look at this fucking guy.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I.
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  Speaker 5: Nearly got distracted for a minute because when I was
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  Speaker 5: in high school, I used to come home every day
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  Speaker 5: and watch Law & Order and I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 5: which season are we talking about? Because if Sam Watterson's involved,
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  Speaker 5: I'm in. But I really think that, like, something that she,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, she's talked about this before, that, like, remember
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  Speaker 5: in 2016 when he was, like, stalking Hillary Clinton around?
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  Speaker 5: And Kamala was like, if that would have been me,
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  Speaker 5: I would have turned around and been like, why are
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  Speaker 5: you being so weird?
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  Speaker 1: Like, Did she say that?
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  Speaker 2: She did.
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  Speaker 1: That's cool.
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  Speaker 5: I think that if she talks about the issues that
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  Speaker 5: matter to people and also points out the fact that
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  Speaker 5: he is physically incapable of talking about anything that doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have to do with himself, or the movie Bloodsport, which
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  Speaker 5: I will talk about, you know, if it would help
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  Speaker 5: him lose the presidential election, I will discuss the movie
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  Speaker 5: Bloodsport with him.
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  Speaker 1: All day.
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  Speaker 8: Is there a split in that movie, right, where he splits?
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  Speaker 8: He does a split and he holds it between two countertops,
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  Speaker 8: if I remember.
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  Speaker 3: Jean-Claude Van Damme.
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  Speaker 2: We're all over that part.
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  Speaker 3: I remember that scene. The signs were there.
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  Speaker 4: Dan, let's talk about the rules of the debate, which
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  Speaker 4: are now set and similar to the Biden-Trump match in June.
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  Speaker 4: No audience, no pre-written notes. Mike's muted when the other
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  Speaker 4: candidate is speaking. which the Harris campaign tried pretty hard
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  Speaker 4: to reverse. Apparently the campaign still thinks there may be
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  Speaker 4: chaotic exchanges where ABC is forced to unmute both mics.
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  Speaker 2: You mean there's going to be chaos with Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's wild. Who do you think won here?
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  Speaker 4: And how much do the rules matter, especially this whole
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  Speaker 4: mic debate that we've been dealing with?
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  Speaker 3: I think the muted mic debate matters. So as.
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  Speaker 11: Bit of context, when Biden and Trump were negotiating debates,
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  Speaker 11: this was something that Biden really, really wanted in the
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  Speaker 11: debate was for Trump's microphone to be muted because in
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  Speaker 11: the 2020 debates, Trump had interrupted Biden a whole bunch
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  Speaker 11: and Biden's team thought it would help them to have
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  Speaker 11: Trump's mic be muted. That turned out not to be
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  Speaker 11: the case because it sort of served as like a
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  Speaker 11: leash on Trump and we didn't hear what he was
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  Speaker 11: muttering to himself as Biden was speaking. And so the
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  Speaker 11: Harris people were smart to try to get that rule changed.
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  Speaker 11: And Trump's people, who understand the same thing the Biden
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  Speaker 11: people do, also try to stop the world from getting
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  Speaker 11: changed because they know, as the Harris people do, that
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  Speaker 11: Trump speaking, particularly when he's agitated, is often bad for Trump.
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  Speaker 11: And so if you imagine a world where Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 11: is up there. She's saying the things she's saying. And
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  Speaker 11: Trump is reacting to that in real time. And we
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  Speaker 11: can all hear that. That's good for Kamala Harris and
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  Speaker 11: bad for Trump. So this is, I think, an actual
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  Speaker 11: win for them. But what is important and I think
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  Speaker 11: was good that they pitched this fight was ABC has agency.
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  Speaker 11: They can decide when it's muted and unmuted. And I
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  Speaker 11: think they will now feel some pressure to unmute Trump's
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  Speaker 11: mic periodically to try to get those organic exchanges. Because
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  Speaker 11: I think that will end up netting out to Harris's
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  Speaker 11: benefit in this.
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  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this on the mics.
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  Speaker 4: Because originally I was like, yeah, it would be better
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  Speaker 4: for what the Harris campaign wants, which is to have
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  Speaker 4: them unmuted the whole time. But if they're muted, it
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  Speaker 4: does mean that she does not get drawn into the
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  Speaker 4: back and forth with Trump as much. And I wonder
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  Speaker 4: if that's to her benefit, because her strategy, which is,
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  Speaker 4: I think, a little different than Biden's, is not just
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  Speaker 4: to make it a Trump the whole time, but to
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  Speaker 4: actually talk about what she's for, who she is, what
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  Speaker 4: her plans are.
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  Speaker 11: I think she has to, no matter whether the mics
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  Speaker 11: are muted or unmuted, she has to not get drawn
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  Speaker 11: into that. That should be part of the strategic goal.
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  Speaker 11: But what you want, ultimately, you're right, the debate is
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  Speaker 11: about her. She wants to make it about her. She
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  Speaker 11: wants to share her story, her visions, et cetera. But
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  Speaker 11: You also want to give Trump an opportunity. You want
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  Speaker 11: to show the American people in full transparency what an
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  Speaker 11: erratic lunatic with cognitive decline Donald Trump is. And allowing
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  Speaker 11: this microphone to be open would help.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like he's going to do a pretty good
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  Speaker 1: job of that himself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we kind of go back and forth.
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  Speaker 8: We say a lot, right, that people understand and know
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  Speaker 8: who Trump is. The undecided voters really want to make
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  Speaker 8: sure that they feel like they can.
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  Speaker 3: Get behind Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 8: And so the debate is an opportunity for her to
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  Speaker 8: kind of put Trump aside and kind of have a
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  Speaker 8: conversation with the American people.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's.
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  Speaker 3: Adept enough to do that, whether or not Trump's.
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  Speaker 1: Muted or not.
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  Speaker 8: I think the fact, I just, should the ex-president's mic
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  Speaker 8: be muted because he's such a chaotic maniac that he's
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  Speaker 8: self-destructive and these are two adults and one of them
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  Speaker 8: cannot obey even the basic of rules or human forms
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  Speaker 8: of discipline?
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  Speaker 3: Like, what a sad fucking state of affair this is.
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  Speaker 3: What are the politics of the microphones? We have to
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  Speaker 3: talk about it, but it's fucking insane. It just is.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think that this goes to, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I've been thinking about this a lot, about how, like,
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  Speaker 5: the media, and I include, like, a lot of institutions
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  Speaker 5: have unintentionally, unintentionally, sane-washed Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Like, how many times.
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  Speaker 5: Have you, like, you read, like, oh, Trump said this,
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  Speaker 5: and you watch the video, and you're like, he's just
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  Speaker 5: talking about Hannibal Lecter.
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  Speaker 12: Did you see the economic club event he just did?
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  Speaker 3: It was just, like, absolute gibberish.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: An hour of gibberish.
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  Speaker 5: His answers on, like, somehow, I believe, tariffs are going
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  Speaker 5: to pay for child care.
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  Speaker 3: Child care, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But, like, maybe that's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Two minutes of that.
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  Speaker 5: Like, it genuinely is the kind of thing that if
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  Speaker 5: somebody said that in court, you'd be like, okay, so
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  Speaker 5: we're going to, you're going to, no. So I think, like,
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  Speaker 5: there is a degree to which, like, if, like, I
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  Speaker 5: don't think the Harris campaign wants to accidentally sane wash
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  Speaker 5: Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, every Trump speech was never great, right? They
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  Speaker 11: were never particularly, there was not like a real logical
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  Speaker 11: threat to them. But in this campaign, every one of
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  Speaker 11: them is like Adam Sandler and Billy Madison.
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  Speaker 4: I do think if he goes off like that, when
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  Speaker 4: he goes off like that and rambles like he did
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  Speaker 4: in that economic speech, she should have like a line
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  Speaker 4: or two in her pocket. That's just like, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 4: it's just like really like, I have no idea what
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  Speaker 4: he meant by that or what he said, but anyway.
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  Speaker 5: I want to know, does he think that seeking asylum
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  Speaker 5: and being in an insane asylum are the same thing?
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  Speaker 12: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: I have to know.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty sure he does.
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  Speaker 1: I have to know. It seems like yes that he
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  Speaker 1: thinks that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he does.
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  Speaker 5: Also, did he watch NBC's Hannibal? In which case, I
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  Speaker 5: have additional questions.
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  Speaker 4: Tommy, New York Times reports that Trump's team has, quote,
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  Speaker 4: urged him to be happy Trump in the debate rather
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  Speaker 4: than mean bully Trump while pressing a policy-based case against Ms.
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  Speaker 3: Harris.
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  Speaker 4: Putting aside the likelihood of Trump embracing his happy side,
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  Speaker 4: how do you think Kamala should prepare for that possibility
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  Speaker 4: and how should she approach the debate if he is
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  Speaker 4: mean bully Trump?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think the line was happy warrior. And I
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  Speaker 12: did laugh out loud when I read that. Not because
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  Speaker 12: it was bad reporting or because it's bad advice, frankly.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, basically what that advisor is telling the New
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  Speaker 12: York Times is we hope he doesn't look like an asshole.
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  Speaker 12: But I think if you're a staffer, you have to
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  Speaker 12: advise your candidate in a way that fits their capacities.
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  Speaker 12: And Trump can be very funny, but it's because he's
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  Speaker 12: being the meanest version of a presidential candidate you've ever
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  Speaker 12: seen in your life. He's talking about, Marco Rubio's genitalia
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  Speaker 12: or Ted Cruz's wife or whatever. So there's that part.
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  Speaker 12: The contrast on policy, I think, it's also good advice.
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  Speaker 12: Trump's staff knows that he hates Kamala Harris. He says
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  Speaker 12: constantly he doesn't think she's smart. He doesn't respect her.
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  Speaker 1: He's angry.
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  Speaker 2: But she's pretty.
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  Speaker 12: But he's angry that he's running against her, right? And
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  Speaker 12: they do not want the misogynistic, racist things he says
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  Speaker 12: in private to come out in public. So they want
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  Speaker 12: him to focus on immigration, inflation, the economy, and make
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  Speaker 12: a policy-based argument. We'll see if he can do that.
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  Speaker 12: I think for Kamala, she is basically.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see.
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  Speaker 12: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Time will tell. It's like, we'll see if my dog
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  Speaker 3: can do string theory.
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  Speaker 12: Can Bundit do that? I think she has three goals.
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  Speaker 12: One is she has to talk about her economic vision
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  Speaker 12: for the country. Every poll, every focus group will tell
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  Speaker 12: you that people want more information about what she'll do
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  Speaker 12: For them and for their financial situation, she has to
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  Speaker 12: lay that out.
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  Speaker 3: But two, she has to.
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  Speaker 12: Undercut Trump's record on the economy because voters view the
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  Speaker 12: Trump term through rose-colored glasses. They think of 2018, not 2020.
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  Speaker 12: And I think she needs to remind them that his
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  Speaker 12: only legislative accomplishment was passing the biggest tax cut, multi-trillion
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  Speaker 12: dollar tax cut for billionaires and corporations, and that he's
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  Speaker 12: promised a bunch of rich donors that if they cut
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  Speaker 12: him big checks, he'll do it again. And then three,
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  Speaker 12: to answer your question, like she has to try to
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  Speaker 12: get under his skin and annoy him and piss him
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  Speaker 12: off and bring out like the feral Trump, Trump the
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  Speaker 12: Twitter feed, the brooding red face, probably COVID filled.
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  Speaker 2: I think being a biracial woman.
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  Speaker 1: I think that'll make it easy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think she'll be good to go.
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  Speaker 12: I think, but you know, he was disciplined against Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 12: And I think that is kind of the question is
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  Speaker 12: if he can do it again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree that.
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  Speaker 4: They will, I mean, Kamala's team has been saying this,
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  Speaker 4: that they want her to get under his skin. I
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  Speaker 4: think that it is, it's much easier to do that
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  Speaker 4: than you'd think. Like, I don't think she needs a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of zingers or, I know that the New York
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  Speaker 4: Times like interviewed Hillary Clinton and she was talking about how,
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  Speaker 4: you know, when she said, you know, you're Putin's puppet
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  Speaker 4: and then of course Trump went back and like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not the puppet, you're the puppet.
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  Speaker 1: No puppet, no puppet. I don't actually think you need that.
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  Speaker 4: I think if you just talk about like the difference
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  Speaker 4: in policy, it will freak him out, right? Like if
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  Speaker 4: she says like, I want to protect abortion access and
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  Speaker 4: he will make states monitor women's pregnancies, like he will
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  Speaker 4: flip out.
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  Speaker 11: It's the lesson of the great success of Kamala Harris's
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  Speaker 11: campaign over the last seven weeks is that the best
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  Speaker 11: way to get, knock Trump off his game is not
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  Speaker 11: to insult him.
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  Speaker 3: It's to be is to ignore his insults.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 11: When he does that and she just pivots and she
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  Speaker 11: does a little dirt off the shoulders and doesn't care,
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  Speaker 11: that drives him bananas. If you were in an insult
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  Speaker 11: fest with Donald Trump, you're playing his game.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's what Jane said. I mean, she's not going
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  Speaker 4: to say, what the fuck is this guy doing? But
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  Speaker 4: that vibe, I think that is the tone.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, I think that if there are any women here
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: who have ever been told some bullshit by a man
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: in their late 70s.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Like, you know.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Very specific.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: It's happened.
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: You know, a man in his late 70s who stands
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: like this.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: It just seems like just noting that I'm a person
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: who is willing to act on behalf of everyday Americans,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: even ones who don't like me.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: And this is a maniac. So go from there.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: The Trump team and Trump has been trying out a
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: whole bunch of different attacks on Kamala.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: They're now telling.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Reporters that their strategy in the debate is to force
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Kamala to own her partnership with Biden and take responsibility
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: for the parts of his presidency that voters are unhappiest about.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: How do you think she should handle that?
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, first of all, I think Donald Trump can't force
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: Kamala Harris to do anything in the debate. I think
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: she's too smart for that. I think the most important
• 18:16
  Speaker 8: thing she can do in this debate is just sort
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: of put him aside. The less she's addressing him, the
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: more she's talking to the moderators, the more she's talking
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: to the cameras, the more he's like a non-entity to her.
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: I think the better, you know, the Dana Bash interview,
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: I think, was instructive because you don't have to make
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: Kamala Harris own her role in the Biden administration. She's
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: well aware that she's associated with the Biden administration. She's
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: owning that role and she's showing loyalty and saying she's
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: proud of her, of the work they've gotten done. And
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: I'm sure she'll say some version of how much work
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: there is left to be done and then I think
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: turn to the contrast between what Donald Trump would do.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Going forward and what she would do going forward. I
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: do think there's also space though.
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: This may be like gilding the lily and maybe like
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: too cute by half.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't have used both expressions.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: It was maybe gilding the lily.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: It was gilding the lily.
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: I do think there's something that people instinctively get about
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: Trump that like, hey man, I know you like complaining
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: from the sidelines. It's very easy from the sidelines to
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: say how much better you'd be at everything and how
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: everything was perfect when you're president. But we remember what
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: it was like when you were president. We remember how
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: you said you'd fix everything. but yet problems remained. You
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: bring chaos with you, you bring failure with you, you
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: bring blame, and you bring antagonism, and you bring noise,
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: and you bring bullshit. The American people are very sick
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: of that, and so we can choose between a future
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: in which we're gonna do these hard things, and it
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: won't be easy, and we won't get it all right,
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: and we won't always succeed, or we can go back
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: to the bullshit and the lying and the chaos and
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: the complaining and the antagonism and the division. And I
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: think making that the choice and the contrast about the
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: future is.
• 19:59
  Speaker 10: The right thing to do.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: I have two thoughts on this because I think First
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: and foremost, it's been really interesting for Donald Trump to
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: pretend he wasn't president. I mean, believe me, if I
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: could just black out 2016 to 2020, I would. But
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: like the degree, like bringing in RFK and talking about like, oh,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: we're gonna make America healthy again.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 20:29
  Speaker 12: To the guy who fed every national championship team McDonald's.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: When they visited the White House.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: But more importantly, this is someone who was like, chemicals
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: in water?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Sounds awesome. Love it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Like, we know who this person is, and the degree
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: to which he needs to obfuscate his own presidency is
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: baffling to me. I will also say that, like, Afghanistan's
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: going to come up. Donald Trump talked a lot about
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: getting troops out of Afghanistan. Do you remember the, like,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: Donald the Dove thing in 2016?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Remember that? I do.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: And, like, the degree to which the same people who
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: were like, you know, it's America first, we've got to
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: get out of Afghanistan. Joe Biden fucking did it. Joe
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Biden said, like, okay, we've got to do this, this
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: is the end of this. And, like, obviously, I wish
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: it had gone differently, but it is over. And it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: time for it to end. And like, you know, for
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: people who.
• 21:27
  Speaker 12: But even more specifically on that, Donald Trump negotiated the
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: deal with the Taliban to get us out.
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: On 9-11.
• 21:34
  Speaker 12: And Donald Trump has always said.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: He invited the Taliban to Camp David on 9-11.
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: And actually that we would have withdrawn from Afghanistan earlier
• 21:43
  Speaker 12: under the Trump timeframe. Joe Biden extended it. Now, again,
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: I'm with you. Like, it didn't end well. We shouldn't
• 21:48
  Speaker 12: pretend it was. It wasn't like the most consequential airlift
• 21:51
  Speaker 12: in history. Like disastrous things happened on that day. Service
• 21:54
  Speaker 12: members lost their lives. A lot of people who helped
• 21:56
  Speaker 12: out the United States were left behind. But the fact
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: that Trump whitewashed his own record on Afghanistan makes me crazy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: No, and it's really frustrating to see Trump promise something
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: to people and people be like, yes, we want that.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: And then someone does it. And people being, we don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: like how it happened. I don't like how it happened either,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: but someone fucking did it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: And I think that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: There's something really to be said about how We cannot,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: as voters, as people, as Kamala Harris in the debate,
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: you can't let Trump have it both ways. You can't
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: let him be the best president and also a bystander.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: It's not fair, and it's not fair to us as voters. Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: That is his shtick. All right.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Real quick around the horn. You're talking to Kamala Harris
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: right before she goes out on stage. What is the
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: one thing... you want her to leave voters with and
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: do in this debate? If you have one thing to say.
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: Dan?
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: It is that voters want to hear Kamala Harris talk
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: about Kamala Harris more than they want to hear Kamala
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: Harris talk about Trump. What they are thirsting for is
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: information about her, her story, her visions, and the kind
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: of president she would be. We're not just one piece
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: of bad information away from a bunch of swing voters
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: leaving Trump.
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: And you said this. I think it's just... He cares
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: about himself. I am fighting for the whole country. All
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: he cares about is himself. That's it. And I'm for everyone. Okay.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: We're going to take a quick break. But when we
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: come back, you're going to hear from Chris Love of
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Arizona for Abortion Access. As you know, sometimes the choices
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: in politics can be pretty stark. Here in Arizona, you
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: have the folks who love the 1864 abortion ban, and
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: then you have the folks working night and day to
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: enshrine abortion rights in your Constitution through Prop 139. Joining
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: us now is Chris Love, spokesperson for Arizona for Abortion Access.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Welcome, Chris.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: Whoo! Whoo!
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: Hey, Chris.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, how are you?
• 24:25
  Speaker 13: Well, I was nervous, but what a warm welcome. Good evening, Arizona.
• 24:37
  Speaker 13: So I'm thrilled to speak to you guys tonight, right? First,
• 24:42
  Speaker 13: I want to thank the relentless and really damn funny
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: and smart advocates at Pod Save.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: For coming to Phoenix.
• 24:48
  Speaker 13: Thanks. and for giving me a few minutes to tell
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: you the story of Proposition 139, the Arizona Abortion Access Act.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So let me take you back a couple of years.
• 25:10
  Speaker 13: In 2022, when Trump's Supreme Court threw away 50 years
• 25:16
  Speaker 13: of legal precedent to destroy Roe versus.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Wade, I know, boo his.
• 25:20
  Speaker 13: Boo! They created chaos all over the country and definitely
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: here in the state of Arizona. It caused doctors and
• 25:31
  Speaker 13: nurses to fear that they might lose their licenses and
• 25:36
  Speaker 13: their freedom because the laws that we had still on
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: the books included criminal penalties for anyone performing or assisting
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: with an abortion. I know, boo. And That's on top
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: of fearing for the health and safety of pregnant patients
• 25:56
  Speaker 13: in Arizona who could no longer be legally treated.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: What happened in.
• 26:02
  Speaker 13: Arizona in 2022 was dangerous and unjust. And it's why
• 26:08
  Speaker 13: reproductive rights, health care, and voting rights organizations got together
• 26:13
  Speaker 13: to create what is now Proposition 139, the Arizona Abortion
• 26:17
  Speaker 13: Access Act. So Prop 139 is a constitutional amendment that
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: will be on our ballot this fall. And we all
• 26:35
  Speaker 13: must vote yes on Prop 139. It gives freedom back
• 26:46
  Speaker 13: to patients and their doctors to make personal medical decisions
• 26:51
  Speaker 13: that are right for them. And it gets politicians out
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: of the way. But we still need your help to
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: press Prop 139, right? So please go to our website, arizonaforabortionaccess.org,
• 27:16
  Speaker 13: and donate because it's expensive. Sign up to volunteer and
• 27:21
  Speaker 13: tell everyone who'll listen why we all need to vote yes.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Long ballot, folks.
• 27:30
  Speaker 13: Four pages this year.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 27:34
  Speaker 13: And Prop 139 is going to be on the back
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: at the bottom, right? So we need your help to
• 27:43
  Speaker 13: get the word out. Just a little more. This is
• 27:53
  Speaker 13: our chance to make history again and protect right to
• 27:58
  Speaker 13: abortion access here in Arizona, free from government interference.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: But again, I need.
• 28:06
  Speaker 13: Every single person in this auditorium tonight to do what
• 28:09
  Speaker 13: you can and stand with us every day from now
• 28:14
  Speaker 13: until November 5th. We cannot do this without you. I'm
• 28:21
  Speaker 13: so grateful to be in this fight with our Pod
• 28:23
  Speaker 13: Save Phoenix folks today.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: And with all of you.
• 28:31
  Speaker 13: Thank you so much, and we'll see you at our
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: victory party on November 5th.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Get up for Chris Love! All right, let's get back
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to the news.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of you were at the Arizona
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Biltmore on Thursday. to catch the charismatic powerhouse of the
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: 2024 cycle, Ohio Senator J.D.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Vance.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: You're just mad because he's so hot.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: So at one point, Vance was asked about the recent
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: news that John McCain's son Jimmy, a veteran like his father,
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: has decided to vote for Kamala Harris.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Yes! Here's what he said.
• 29:32
  Speaker 14: I do not believe for a second that if John
• 29:34
  Speaker 14: McCain were alive today and he sees what's going on
• 29:37
  Speaker 14: at the American southern border, that he would support. Kamala
• 29:40
  Speaker 14: Harris and all the destruction that she's wrought. Who cares
• 29:44
  Speaker 14: what somebody's family thinks about a presidential race? I care
• 29:47
  Speaker 14: about what these people care about the presidential race.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I really couldn't.
• 29:51
  Speaker 14: The media is turning into a story what John McCain's
• 29:54
  Speaker 14: family says about Donald Trump.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure I'd be so dismissive of a family
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: that's revered in a must-win state that went blue in 2020,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: but then again, I.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Don't have J.D.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Vance's political acumen. But I bring this up because the
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: McCain brand of conservatism was once the dominant strain of
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: politics here in Arizona not very long ago. Now we
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: got Carrie Lake and Joe Arpaio. You guys don't like them.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Jane You've been doing a lot of reporting on this
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: and what's changed.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: What did you learn?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: So first and foremost, let me just say again, he
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: went to Ohio State.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. That's... There you go.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: That's what happens.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: But, so I had the opportunity to speak with amazing
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Arizona State legislator, Lorena Austin, and.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: They told me about how the Republicans that they experience
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: on a daily basis are so extreme that when they
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: talk to other people about them, people don't believe them.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: You know, you talk about somebody like.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Wendy Rogers, who has not yet met a Nazi she's
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: not into.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Wendy Rogers, who said that, you know.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: We got it right in 1864, and let me just say, nothing,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: nothing could happen in 1864 without We had this really
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: great conversation talking about how Arizona is changing, but the
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Republican Party here has been locked in this purity spiral
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: of election denialism and election denialism continued. We saw this
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: in 2020. We saw it with Carrie Lake deciding that
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: she's actually governor, which, you know, she isn't.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: What we've seen again and.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Again, and you guys know this, you know that Arizonans
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: are changing, Arizonans are diverse, Arizonans are thoughtful, Arizonans don't
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: want any of this shit. And so, but to speak
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: specifically about the Republican Party, I talked with amazing journalist
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Jen Fafield from Vote Beat, awesome writer. And she was
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: talking about how there's always been this swath of the
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Arizona GOP that has adhered to extremism. I mean, Joe Arpaio,
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: for example, and the Tea Party, you can go back 20,
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: 25 years or something like that, but it really has
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: been that since Chemtrail Kelly, we all remember our favorite person,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Kelly Ward. So I think that there really has been
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: this ongoing takeover of the Republican Party from by extremists,
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: who when they lose, they decide, no, no, no, I
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: didn't lose, it was stolen. And then they double down
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: and double down through primary after primary. And so I
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: think that it's really important. I've got a couple of
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: notes here because it's not just the 1864 ban. It's
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: also Prop 314. It's also Prop 137, which would be
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: a lifetime appointment for judges, which.
• 33:11
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Immediately.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: We've seen how that goes.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: So there are so many important issues to focus on
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: in this election, especially because the Arizona legislature, if we
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: get it to 50-50, that's democratic trifecta in this state.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: And I think that that's something that people like Lorena,
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: people like Chris, people are fighting for across this state.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: And like, While Carrie Lake can go watch Texas A
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: & M lose, let's go see her lose here.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Tommy, as Jane was saying, it's not just
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: in Arizona. It's all over the country.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Losing is cool.
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Everybody's into it.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: One example of a very MAGA Republican Party nominating a
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: very MAGA candidate is in North Carolina.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Um, they have, uh, their nominee for governor is this
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: cuckoo bananas guy, Mark Robinson. Um, he's called, uh, gay people, filth,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Michelle Obama, a man, uh, Beyonce satanic, uh, Muslims invaders,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: women unfit to lead and mass shootings, karma for abortions. That's,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: but there was a story about him this week that
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: was even crazier. Um, a former employee of a video
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: porn shop in Greensboro. He said that about 20 years ago,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Mark Robinson, he didn't just frequent the store once in
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: a while. Five nights a week. Five nights a week,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: he was a regular in the porn preview booths in
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: the porn shop. Very respectful customer, he said.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Don't worry. I know you've been following this story closely.
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: Uh....
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: Yeah, first of all, I don't like how you phrased that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: Second of all, I'm happy to tell you about.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: It because I am.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought.
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: Yeah, Mark Robinson, the current lieutenant governor of North Carolina,
• 35:18
  Speaker 12: Republican nominee to be governor. I mean, he became famous.
• 35:23
  Speaker 12: He became well-known in Republican circles because right after the
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: Parkland shooting, he went to, I think, a city hall
• 35:28
  Speaker 12: or town hall meeting, and he gave this very high-energy
• 35:32
  Speaker 12: speech speech about how gun control was wrong. And then
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: he later said a bunch of horrible things about the
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: Parkland students. He called them spoiled little bastards and media prostitutes,
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: which is a fucked up thing to say about high
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: school kids in any context. But these were kids who
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: had just survived the mass shooting that killed 17 people
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: in their own high school. So I think that kind
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: of tells you everything you need to know about Mark Robinson.
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: Unfortunately for the Republicans in North Carolina, Mark Robinson told
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: us much, much more about himself on Facebook over and
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: over and over again. He was also a Holocaust denier.
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: He used to quote Hitler all the time.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: He said that Black Panther was Jews trying to take
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: money from black people.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I think shekels. Yeah, shekels.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Shekels.
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: Shekels.
• 36:22
  Speaker 13: Shekels.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: It's hard to remember all the Mark Levinson quotes.
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: No, it really is.
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: He said that he wanted to go back to a
• 36:31
  Speaker 12: time before women could vote. That was another one of
• 36:34
  Speaker 12: his things. And so, yeah, I mean, of course, what
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: that led to was Republicans loving him and him winning
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: the Republican nomination. And I think Donald Trump told him
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: that he was Martin Luther King on steroids. I believe
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: that's an exact quote.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Didn't that man suffer enough?
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: So this gets back to the story John was mentioning.
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: There's a great outlet in North Carolina. I think it's
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: called The Assembly. It's a local North Carolina outlet. They interviewed,
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: big Assembly fans.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Right on.
• 37:13
  Speaker 12: They interviewed some folks who worked, I guess, at the
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: front desk at some of these 24-hour porn stores. They
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: said that Mark Robinson would come in all the time.
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: The deal was you could buy a video for a
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: lot of money, or preview a video for less money,
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: so he did that.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: And it gets worse.
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: Mark Robinson worked at a pizza shop, so he'd bring
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: in a pizza and bring it to the booth and
• 37:35
  Speaker 12: eat the pizza in the booth where you preview the video.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: It's so far, all I'm hearing is kink shaming.
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: I don't know. Bring a black light to that restaurant.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: We're not trying to yuck his yum.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: And so, none of you have had pizza after a
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: good night?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Two great things that go great together.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: What's happening with the leftovers there?
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: One of the topics on that pizza.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: We were all thinking it. Long, disgusting story short. I
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: read that and I was like, this is very funny.
• 38:15
  Speaker 12: But also, it's like the least bad thing I've ever
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: heard about Mark Robinson. Go jerk off all you want.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: Just don't do all the other stuff.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: But what confused me was like, hey man, get a VCR, right?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Do this.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: In the comfort of your own home.
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: And so I tweeted that and I was very rapidly
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: informed about how naive I am about what actually goes
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: on in these booths in the back of the store
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: with the pizza and the whatever else. So projection is
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: what they were trying to say. So yeah, we gotta
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: beat that guy, Josh Stein.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Josh Stein. Was beat him the wrong word? Defeat him.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Hang on.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: I want to talk about this for a second because
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: we've seen.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Sounds pretty wacky.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: We've got to spank him at the polls.
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: We've got to stop this jerk-off.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: I want to get serious here for a second because
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: we've seen how Republicans, they know that abortion is a
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: losing issue for them, which everyone in America could have
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: been like, yeah, we know. And so there was a
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: recent ad that Mark Robinson dragged his wife into, to
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: talk about an abortion she had about 20 years ago.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: And this is the same person who said that abortion
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: happens because women can't keep their skirts down. And I
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: just want to say again, you can see it happening
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: across the board. You see it happening in Florida. You
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: see it happening in every state in which abortion is
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: on the ballot. in which Republicans who had long said
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: that abortion should be banned, that women who have abortions
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: are evil, that women who have abortions are murderers, after Dobbs,
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: they were like, actually, what we meant was we want
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: French abortion law, and it's not really a big deal anymore,
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: we don't really care. And you can see that with
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Mark Robinson. dragging his wife into this. Again, this is
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: a person who basically accused anyone who has used reproductive
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: services of being a whore. And then he's like, well, actually,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: I really support our current laws, and I totally understand
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: this is a very complex issue. And so, one, Mark
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: Robinson's full of shit. And two, I think that it's
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: been interesting to me again and again to see how
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: Republicans try to obfuscate their own extremism and sane wash
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: themselves to say like, no, no, no, what I meant
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: was I want French abortion law. No, no, no, what
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: I want is that I think abortion is bad for women. Like,
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: don't let people lie to you to your face. And
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: I see that happen with Mark Robinson on this issue.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: You see it happening in states, you know, you saw
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: people in Kansas and Kentucky and you're seeing it in Missouri,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: you're seeing it here, you're seeing people saying.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Stop fucking with me. Stop it. We're done with it.
• 41:13
  Speaker 12: Go back to your little booth in the store with
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: your pizza.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Figure it out.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: What you do with your pizza is... You work up
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: quite an appetite.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: What you do with your pizza is your business.
• 41:27
  Speaker 12: It's a dipping sauce.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: So that's... trying to figure out a segue to the
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Chaney endorsements.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: So speaking of shooting in the face.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: I still got it.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I still got it. John, you had a question?
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: That's the good side of the party. Um, This week,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: friend of the pod Liz Cheney and her father, poster
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: child for compassionate conservatism, Dick Cheney, both said they were
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: voting for Kamala Harris.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: I have to ask, I have to know, which of
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: you thought in like 2002 that you'd be like, woo,
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Dick Cheney.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: You know, Lovett, how do you feel that you are
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: voting for the same candidate as Dick Cheney? And the
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: more serious question, how many more of these old guard
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Republicans that are, you know, sort of shrinking in number
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: at this point, do you think the Harris campaign should
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: go after? Do you think these are valuable endorsements in
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: any way?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I mean, Dick Cheney and I
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: voted the same way before. We voted the same way
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: in 2008.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I'm just kidding.
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: I'm just kidding.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: So....
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Flip it. I was a puma. So we should be very, like.
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: Like, we should fully embrace that Dick Cheney... Like, there's
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: a little bit, I think, of, like, online of people
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: being like, ah, Dick Cheney's bad, like, it feels weird.
• 43:25
  Speaker 14: No, no.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: We should be unabashedly.
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: Embracing the fact that Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney are
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: endorsing Kamala Harris.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: The reason we should... Because it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: Because we did not compromise to get that endorsement. And
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: when people, look, I wish it weren't as hard for
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: leading Republicans to admit the truth and do the right thing.
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: But clearly it is because so few of them have
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: done it. And we can decide whether or not these
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: people were weaker and shittier and more craven than we
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: could have possibly imagined. Or if this does require some
• 43:55
  Speaker 8: moral courage, it's probably a mix of both.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: But when someone does.
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: Something hard that you've asked them to do, you should
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: be glad that they did it. We forget that there
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: was this moment when there were some Republicans who were
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: anti-Trump but also anti-Democrat. They were like, well, if Democrats
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: really believed what they said about the threat of Trump,
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: they'd compromise all their values to get Republicans to come vote.
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: They'd compromise on choice. They'd compromise on the economy. They'd
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: compromise on health care, whatever it may be. And we
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: haven't done that, right? We've shifted to the left on
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: economic policy. We're fighting for abortion access all across the country.
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: When Dick Cheney embraces that, that's not something that reflects
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: poorly on us, it just reflects actually poorly on all
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: the Republicans that are refusing to do it. So I
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: think as much as we can be telling a story
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: about those kinds of Republicans willing to come out and say,
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: I'm not writing in Abraham fucking Lincoln because I'm not
• 44:51
  Speaker 8: a child. I understand that there's two people on that ballot.
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: I'm either for Trump or I'm for Kamala Harris.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: I'm either going to participate or I'm not. I think
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: the better. And yes, absolutely.
• 45:03
  Speaker 8: I saw there was a story today about no one
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: expects George W. Bush to come out of his studio
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: to help the country. Not the first time. We've been
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: disappointed by George W.
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: Bush.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Won't be the last.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: His office put out a statement saying he's not endorsing.
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, well, Dick fucking Cheney did it.
• 45:21
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: He put out a statement.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: What's the point of having a profile, man? Do something
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: with it.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: What are you waiting for?
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: We are genuinely waiting for George W.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Bush.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Nobody's waiting, but he's got a choice.
• 45:37
  Speaker 12: You're going to vote or you're not.
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: To your point before, though, I do think it has
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: been really interesting and confusing if you look at Bush
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: Republicans from the early 2000s. who have turned out to have, like,
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: backbone and integrity, and who have been craving little fucking weasels.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: And, like, honestly, it's surprising in both directions.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: No, and it was wild.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: If you watch the Republican National Convention, you'd believe that
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: the Republican Party began in 2016.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, before then, it was just.
• 46:09
  Speaker 13: Like.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, Ronald Reagan, who he? Like,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: it just, it's been.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: It's been wild, the ahistorization of the Republican Party, where
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: it's just like, it's Trump.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: It's all Trump. Everybody's Trump. Trump, Trump, Trump.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: And like, it's, I mean, as someone who was and
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: remains deeply opposed to literally everything Dick Cheney did, sometimes
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: a broken clock is right.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Like, it'll happen sometimes.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Dick Cheney, welcome to the resistance.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Dan, you and I talked on Friday's pod about how
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: unlikely it is that the Republican Party, even if Trump loses,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: goes back to the days of Cheney, McCain, whatever.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: They still sucked, to be clear.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: But Benji Sarland in Semaphore had a good piece about
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: how the MAGA candidates who have refashioned themselves in Donald
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: Trump's image don't seem to be doing well electorally.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Which is great.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: We applaud that.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: And why do you think that is? And what do
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: you think that means for Democrats facing Republican candidates who
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: aren't as MAGA as a Carrie Lake or a Donald Trump?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: So I think there are ways to look at this.
• 47:30
  Speaker 11: First is it is important for Democrats to truly understand
• 47:33
  Speaker 11: Donald Trump's appeal because he's in his third national election.
• 47:36
  Speaker 11: He is trending towards, as we said here again, getting
• 47:39
  Speaker 11: another 47% of Americans to vote for him for president.
• 47:43
  Speaker 11: And part of that, what's interesting is that Donald Trump
• 47:45
  Speaker 11: is not a popular person, but the Republican Party is
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: much less popular than Donald Trump.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: He, for a lot of voters, represents an outsider.
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: It's important to understand just how big a celebrity Donald
• 47:55
  Speaker 11: Trump is for a lot of Americans. Someone sent me
• 47:59
  Speaker 11: a Pizza Hut ad from the early 2000s of Donald Trump.
• 48:02
  Speaker 11: He was the Pizza Hut spokesperson eating Pizza Hut on
• 48:05
  Speaker 11: Trump Force 1. As this avatar of wealth in America.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: He was in an episode of Sex and the City.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: He was in Home Alone 2.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Was he previewing a movie?
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: He was in.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Cut that.
• 48:23
  Speaker 11: And because of his celebrity, he is able to allude
• 48:26
  Speaker 11: to the things that have failed Republicans in most elections. One,
• 48:29
  Speaker 11: because he is this celebrity, millionaire, thrice-married cad from New York,
• 48:34
  Speaker 11: he doesn't come across as the same sort of abortion-hating,
• 48:39
  Speaker 11: homophobic Republican, even though all of his policies reflect that
• 48:43
  Speaker 11: to most people. And so there is this view among
• 48:45
  Speaker 11: a lot of voters that in the Rorschach test that
• 48:47
  Speaker 11: he is personally more socially liberal than Republicans. Then also
• 48:51
  Speaker 11: because he is run as this nationalist candidate, he also
• 48:54
  Speaker 11: doesn't seem like the Social Security cutting, tax cut, giving
• 48:59
  Speaker 11: away Republicans like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. And so
• 49:02
  Speaker 11: he's alluding about those things. So when you take another,
• 49:05
  Speaker 11: like the sort of MAGA candidates like Kerry Lake, who
• 49:08
  Speaker 11: lost in 2022, what they are is they're just worse
• 49:11
  Speaker 11: versions of the Republicans that people already hate. And so
• 49:15
  Speaker 11: part of that, you can look at that and say, well, yes,
• 49:18
  Speaker 11: if we are able to defeat Donald Trump, as I
• 49:19
  Speaker 11: sure hope we do, and he does not run for
• 49:21
  Speaker 11: president again, now the Republicans have, they've adopted a philosophy
• 49:25
  Speaker 11: with a bunch of people who do not have the
• 49:27
  Speaker 11: charisma or the ability to carry that movement forward. Like, honestly,
• 49:31
  Speaker 11: the two people before, if you would ask this two
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: years ago, Who are the two people who would be
• 49:36
  Speaker 11: the potential leaders of the MAGA movement if Donald Trump
• 49:38
  Speaker 11: were to go away and that person was not Donald
• 49:40
  Speaker 11: Trump Jr.? It would be Ron DeSantis and J.D.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: Vance.
• 49:42
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 11: These people cannot even order fucking donuts like a human, okay?
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: But even if they do not have Donald Trump's political appeal,
• 49:55
  Speaker 11: and that makes me want to throw up in my
• 49:56
  Speaker 11: mouth to say that, but even if they don't have that,
• 49:59
  Speaker 11: What Donald Trump has created is something incredibly dangerous in
• 50:02
  Speaker 11: the radicalization of a generation of Republicans that goes forward
• 50:06
  Speaker 11: and means that in a polarized country, any Republican can
• 50:12
  Speaker 11: win in a certain year if the conditions are right.
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: So we are, yes, we can defeat Donald Trump here.
• 50:17
  Speaker 11: We have to defeat Donald Trump. We have to defeat
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: Kerry Lake. But the seeds of what created Donald Trump
• 50:20
  Speaker 11: and Kerry Lake is going to exist going forward, and
• 50:23
  Speaker 11: that's something we have to take on.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Mark Robinson is still in the hunt.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: He's the current lieutenant governor.
• 50:29
  Speaker 13: Yep.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: I think, I mean, one thing that I think is
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: always interesting is we were told over and over in
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: 2016 and 2017 that that Trumpism was about populism, about
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: economic protectionism. And it's been interesting to see how many
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: Trumpist candidates were like, I hear that. I'm just going
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: to be racist. Like Corey Stewart in Virginia, who is
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: from Minnesota and went to St. Olaf College and then
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: was like, the people who want to take down Confederate
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: memorials are the Taliban. Like you saw that again, Roy
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: Moore in Alabama. Like, You see this again and again
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: and again about how Trumpism, there is no such thing
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: as Trumpism. There are people like the Populist Project, as
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: you're seeing now as Tucker Carlson decides that Nazism is
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: a fun new thing we're trying. It's been interesting again
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: to see there is no such thing, the Trumpist ideology
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: does not exist because it can't exist beyond him.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: He has no coattails.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: There's no one who's like, oh, I'm gonna try and
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: do this thing It's just people hating people. It's Marco
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Rubio saying that I'm fine making Amazon workers piss in
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: bottles so that they don't have to leave the clock
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: as long as they don't sell books about trans people.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: It's Josh Hawley being whatever that is. Like, there are
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: no coattails. There is no such thing as Trumpism. There's
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: only Trump and weirdo Trumpist drag queens.
• 52:03
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• 52:12
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• 52:13
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• 52:15
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• 52:17
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• 52:21
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• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Dan talks to your next senator, Ruben Gallego.
• 52:41
  Speaker 11: Please welcome to the stage your congressman and the next
• 52:44
  Speaker 11: senator from Arizona, Ruben Gallego.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I think they like you.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 53:06
  Speaker 11: So you just heard us talk for the last 20
• 53:08
  Speaker 11: minutes or so about how politics in Arizona have changed
• 53:11
  Speaker 11: over the years.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: You're a lifelong Arizonan. You've run for office here.
• 53:14
  Speaker 11: I want to get your take on how the Arizona
• 53:18
  Speaker 11: Republicans went from the party of John McCain to the
• 53:20
  Speaker 11: party of Kerry Lake.
• 53:24
  Speaker 10: How long do we have?
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: As long as you need, sir.
• 53:27
  Speaker 10: Look, many of us actually.
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: Know the McCain family, have known the McCain family, and
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: I think one of the things that people don't understand,
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: the reason why Democrats, independents, and Republicans have respect for
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: the McCain family.
• 53:40
  Speaker 10: It's not the politics, it's the service, right? And the
• 53:43
  Speaker 10: fact that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: Senator McCain and his family, we at the core always
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: understood that they would always put country first. And we
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: saw that time and time again, even though many of
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: us here were knocking doors, trying to make sure someone
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: else got elected a lot of times. But at the core,
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: we knew that there was still a good man And
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: then that family really was dedicated to Arizona and the
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: United States. I think what happened many, many, many times,
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: and this is prior even to Donald Trump, is that
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: politicians moved from service to self-service. And Carrie Lake is
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: a prime example of that. As soon as she saw
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: that she can gain some power, as soon as she
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: saw the ability to gain some fame, and when she
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: realized that she was a failed newscaster, the next thing
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: she wanted to do was become a failed politician. And
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna ensure that's gonna happen again. But this is why,
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: if you ever see Carrie Lake's evolution in politics, it's
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: all over the place, because she will say anything, anything possible.
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: She will lie, she will confuse people, she'll try to
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: confuse you. She's gotten sued by fellow Republicans. She admitted
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: that she lied about the 2020 election. Now she is
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: lying about lying about the 2020 election. Um, but that's
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: a very dangerous politician. Cause like, as you said, you know,
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: this is a 50, 50 state. So, you know, on
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: any given roll of the dice, they can win. And
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: that's very consequential.
• 55:11
  Speaker 11: I have been fascinated by your race because for many reasons, one,
• 55:15
  Speaker 11: obviously what's happening in Arizona is going to turn control
• 55:18
  Speaker 11: of the Senate, control the white house, uh, so many
• 55:20
  Speaker 11: important things, but it's also really ground zero for, I
• 55:23
  Speaker 11: think the three issues that are finding the 2024 election
• 55:26
  Speaker 11: across the country, abortion, immigration, and the big lie. Um,
• 55:29
  Speaker 11: And so I wanted to start with abortion, right, where
• 55:31
  Speaker 11: you have had this 1864 law. You have Prop 139
• 55:36
  Speaker 11: now on the ballot. And you have an opponent who
• 55:39
  Speaker 11: is in a position that I can't truly understand. She
• 55:43
  Speaker 11: has been for the law, against the law. But I
• 55:46
  Speaker 11: want to just ask you how Prop 139 and sort
• 55:49
  Speaker 11: of the emergence of abortion has changed your race. And
• 55:51
  Speaker 11: if you could possibly tell me what Carrie Lake's position
• 55:54
  Speaker 11: on abortion actually is.
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: Well, Prop 139 is important because we need to protect
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: women's rights to control their body, without a doubt. And
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: leaving this right to the Arizona legislature, and you've met them, well,
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: you met the good ones, but it's scary, right? And
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: so the work that Chris Love and the Prop 139
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: committee is doing is heroic work for Arizona. How has
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: this changed? I will say this, Arizona actually has always
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: been a fairly pro-choice state, Democrats and Republicans. The Goldwater
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: family was involved in the first starting of Planned Parenthood
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: here in Arizona. It's not uncommon if you go to
• 56:41
  Speaker 7: a Planned Parenthood luncheon here, you will see Republican women there.
• 56:46
  Speaker 10: And a lot of them.
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: I think what this has done though is now this
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: conversation has been pushed forward into other areas. For the
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: first time in, since I can remember, I hear Latino
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: men talking about abortion rights. I hear them talking about
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: concern that the health of their wives and their family
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: and their daughters is now at risk because of these
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: extreme politicians that took away their family's ability to make
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: choices for themselves. I hear your country club Republican male
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: now talking about how extreme this is. So this has
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: really kind of crossed these barriers that just didn't exist before.
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: And I think now everyone feels more comfortable having these
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: conversations versus before a lot of people did not really
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: talk about abortion rights outside the confines of politics. And
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: now it's something that we hear and we talk about almost,
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: you know, people feel very comfortable talking about it in
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: every aspect because now we realize that it is really,
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: really at risk.
• 57:46
  Speaker 10: Where is Carrie Lake on this? We don't know, but
• 57:50
  Speaker 10: it's bad.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: And here's why.
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: In 2022, she said the 1864 law was a great law.
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: What was the 1864 law? Let's make sure we understand
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: that is. It said no exceptions for rape or incest
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: to begin with. Number one, great law is what she
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: called it. If you're a provider, a doctor, a nurse
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: that decide to give an abortion to someone who, for example,
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: didn't get raped or was a victim of incest, two
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: years mandatory in jail, and she called that a great law.
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: So fast forward to 1884, sorry, I was in the
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: Navajo Nation early in the morning, so to 2024, what
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: did she start saying about this? Now it's a great law,
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: but it's a shame that the Attorney General won't enforce it.
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: The sheriffs of Arizona should enforce it. Have you guys
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: met some of the sheriffs in Arizona? There's some good ones,
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: but Imagine back in the day Sheriff Joe Rapallo enforcing
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: some of these extreme abortion bans.
• 58:58
  Speaker 10: And on and on. So she will say anything. She
• 59:01
  Speaker 10: will do anything.
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: The most important thing we have to understand is women
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: are in danger if Carrie Lake is appointed, is elected.
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: And what she says now, we cannot take to the bank.
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: If she said only two years ago that this was
• 59:19
  Speaker 7: a great law, if this is the same person that
• 59:22
  Speaker 7: said she was thrilled when Roe was overturned, how can
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: we trust her with a woman's right to control her body.
• 59:31
  Speaker 10: We can't. It's not a safe choice.
• 59:34
  Speaker 11: And a point I would make for our listeners, everyone
• 59:36
  Speaker 11: here in this room knows this, but for our listeners
• 59:38
  Speaker 11: back home, we're going to hear this podcast tomorrow morning,
• 59:40
  Speaker 11: is the difference between Ruben Gallego and Carrie Lake in
• 59:43
  Speaker 11: the Senate is the difference between likely giving President Kamala
• 59:46
  Speaker 11: Harris a majority that would enshrine Roe v.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Wade as the law in this country.
• 59:50
  Speaker 13: 100%, yes.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: So I want to.
• 59:56
  Speaker 11: Talk a little about immigration, right? You're a congressman from
• 59:58
  Speaker 11: a border state. I watch all the political ads. I've
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 11: seen Carrie Lake's ads and the Super PAC ads about you.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 11: They're largely about the border. They're attacking you on the border.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 11: Carrie Lake has even associated herself or sort of echoed
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 11: some of the great replacement theory. And now she's talked
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 11: about why people come to this country and immigrants, the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 11: Democratic Party.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: How is immigration coming up in your race?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 11: And what is it that Democrats in the country maybe
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 11: don't get about the politics of immigration when you're from
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 11: a place like Arizona?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: Well, I think actually the Democrats in Arizona actually get
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: and understand border politics and immigration better than.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 10: Almost anyone else in the country.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I would imagine, yeah.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 10: We've been having this discussion....
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: For years.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: And also, we're very realistic about the border and the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: border politics, the problems, but also some of the benefits, right?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: Right now, we would get on the road, we'd get
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: to the border probably in Nogales in about two and
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: a half hours, two hours and 15 minutes to a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: high drive. But what does that mean is that we
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 7: actually understand the border for what it is, right? Billions
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: and billions of dollars worth of trade crosses that border
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 7: every day.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 10: We have U.S.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: Citizens that live on the Mexico side and come over.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 7: We have Mexican nationals that come over and work here
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: in the United States and shop. During COVID, one of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: the two places in the country where non-citizens were allowed
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: to cross over was Yuma, Arizona.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: You know why?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: If we didn't have those Mexican nationals that have visas
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: to cross over to pull our winter lettuce, the majority
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: of the winter lettuce in America.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 10: Would have gone, would have rotted on the field.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 7: We understand the border that this is something that we
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 7: can work with, but we also need to improve it, right?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: We do need more border patrol. We need more customs agents.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: We need more technology to check the fentanyl. But we
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: also need politicians that are willing to work for border
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: solutions and not want a border problem, right? And that's
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: what Cary Lake represents. You know, we had a good
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: border compromise bill that would have brought in more security
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 7: at the border, more scanners, all the technology we wanted
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: for us to be checking the vehicles that are coming
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: through so we could actually stop the fentanyl at the border.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 10: And Carrie Lake said, do not vote for it.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: Not because there was a better bill coming up, not
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 7: because if you held out, it's going to be better,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: because she knew that if this was a solution, that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: it would end her campaign. She needs that border drama
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: because she has nothing else to talk about. What's she
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: going to talk about, abortion? We already just talked about that, right?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: So this is why when we talk about it, if
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: you see our commercials, we actually talk about solutions.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 10: We talk about what we've.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Done, too.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: One of the first bills I jumped in on to
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: help out when I first got to Congress was with
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: Martha McSally, another veteran, to help veterans move from leaving
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: the military and go become border patrol. Just a couple
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 7: weeks ago, I joined in with a Republican, Dan Crenshaw,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: who has a really good ability to help government officials,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: law enforcement, It'll transfer over their clearances so that way
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: it doesn't take as long with bureaucracy. So these are
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: the things that we consistently point out. And I think
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 7: that's the difference is that, you know, when Carrie Lake
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 7: sees a border problem, she runs to the camera.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 10: I run to solutions. And that's how we're going to
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 10: win this.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 11: There's obviously in dealing with immigration in the United States,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 11: there's two challenges, right? There is border security and there's
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 11: what do we do with the immigrants who are already here.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 11: And what do you do with the undocumented people already here?
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 11: And how do you find the balance in that conversation
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 11: between border security and a comprehensive immigration reform that is fair?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 10: I got to tell you, I think it's mostly the Washington, D.C.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: Kind of punditry that doesn't understand that most, your middle
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: road Arizonan wants both border security and immigration reform, right?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 10: It's not an either or.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: And this is not just talking to your country club
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: Republican in Mesa or Scottsdale. If you talk to Latinos,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: they'll say the same thing too. They want to see
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: more security at the border. They want to see stricter
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: asylum claims being adjudicated. But they also want to deal
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: with the status of DREAMers. The fact that we have
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: hundreds of thousands of DREAMers in Arizona And they're not
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: kids anymore.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 10: They now have families. They're teachers. They're part of our community.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 10: They have businesses. They have homes.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 7: And, you know, you have a very severe threat coming
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: from people like Carrie Lake who says she will deport DREAMers, right?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: In a time and place where these people are part
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: of our society, they have American kids, many of them.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: We have one politician that's going to deport these people
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: that came here not through their own volition. and want
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: to be US citizens, but if it isn't because of
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: the broken immigration system, they don't actually have the ability
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 7: to do that.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 10: There are lots of other families. We talk about.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 7: How we're a country of keeping families together and making
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: families strong. We have a lot of mixed status families,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: where we have a woman who is married to a
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: US citizen but has not been able to fix her paperwork.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: We should give them an opportunity to also become here
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: legally and get in the process. At the same time,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: we can also have border security. It's possible to do that.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: We've done it in the past. I don't understand why
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: we think we can't do it again.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 11: I'm glad you brought up Dreamers because you may not
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 11: remember this, but 10 years ago, I think it was
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 11: 10 years ago, you flew to Arizona on Air Force
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 11: One with Barack Obama.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 11: And he was coming here to do an event on
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 11: housing policy. This was right after the State of the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 11: Union in 2014 or 2015. And you were fresh into
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 11: Congress at the time. And there was a group of
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 11: really well-meaning young people who were planning to protest the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 11: president at the event.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: They were dreamers. And we didn't know what we were
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: going to do about the protest.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 11: And Congressman Gallego said he would go meet with them
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 11: and talk to them about it before the event. And
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 11: I remember very well, I watched that meeting. It was
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 11: an incredibly impressive thing. You sat down with these young people.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 11: You listened to their concerns. You addressed them. You promised
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 11: they'd have someone in Washington to listen to them. And
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 11: that is something that has always stuck with me when
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 11: I thought about you and your political career in that moment.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 7: Thank you. Thank you. I have so many friends, close friends,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: that are Dreamers. And I've been working with them. And
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: I used to call them kids. And now they're adults.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: They have kids. They're like family to me. And it
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: would be just a stain on this country if we
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 7: deported them because we couldn't fix our immigration system or
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 7: we couldn't stop these radical politicians like Carrie Lake. But
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, in general, I think that's the one thing
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: that we just don't do enough. And I think this
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: is one of the reasons why we're doing well on
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: this campaigns, because we are traveling the state. We're going
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 7: to some of the reddest areas of the state. And
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: I am actually sitting down having conversations with my Republican counterparts,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: treating them with respect, asking what they need, what they look,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: what they're looking for from their senator or from the government.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 10: And guess what?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: Super majority of the time, I'm not getting any support.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 10: And that's fine.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: But I'm making myself available to them so they know
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: that they have someone to talk to, that even if
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: you didn't support me in this election, when I'm in there,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: I'm going to come back to Havasu. I'm going to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: be coming back to Mojave County.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be going.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: Back to some of these places that are ignored by
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: Democrats and Republicans. And even after 75% of the time
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: when I get rejected, we do get one or two
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: Republicans are saying, you know what, I'm glad you're here,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: I'm glad we're talking, I want to build on this,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: and I am going to support you. And I think
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: that's more and more that we need to be doing.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: And look, Arizona is not represented by this population here.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: It still is a Republican-led state. There are about 200,000
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 7: more Republicans registered in Arizona than Democrats. So as a Democrat,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: you have to work across the aisle to get them
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: to come over to support you, And that means you
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: have to have very honest and frank conversations.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 11: So Arizona is also one of the states where the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 11: Trump folks worked very hard to overturn the election. There's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 11: been indictment of Arizona politicians, including several former aides of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 11: the Trump campaign. A lot of Republicans who are running
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 11: for office in battleground states have tried to walk away
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 11: from their role in the big lie in January 6th
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 11: and all of that. Your opponent is one of the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 11: proudest and loudest pushers of the dangerous conspiracy theory of
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 11: the big lie is this something voters are still interested
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 11: in focus on does it come up in your race
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 11: it does but it's it kind of comes up in
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 11: the overall picture of who she is she's.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: Dangerous she'll say anything do anything to get power and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: they don't trust her because of that It also comes
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: up with a lot of, you know, independents, Republicans, and veterans.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: People that, you know, like me, sort of uphold the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: Constitution of the United States at a very young age
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: that still feel that, you know, they have some fealty
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: to that oath and that someone like Carrie Lake is
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 7: violating that and consistently. And it's also insulting, right? You know,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: you're telling these people that somehow in 2022, two other
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: Republicans running statewide got more votes than her. And then
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 7: we also elected two Republicans in swing congressional districts and
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 7: kept the state house and state Senate for Republicans. But
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 7: we decided somehow to just screw her election. So like
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: in our whole, like, and by the way, the fact
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: that Democrats are that organized to do that, I love us,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: but let's be honest. But this is what she's telling people. Like,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: and she's, I mean, she believes it. You know, I
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: had a run-in with her at the airport, and when
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: I asked her, like, how did you lose, how did
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: these other two Republicans win and you lose, and she just, like,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: everybody knows I just went full, full, full, full.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 13: Um.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: But, you know, this is something that, you know, people
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: see and they kind of attach to other politics. Like,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: how can I trust you if you're lying to my face?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 7: And then she gets sued for defamation. Then she admits
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: that she lies as part of the lawsuit. And now
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: she's lying about lying about the lawsuit. So this is where,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: you know, she's doing the basic mistake, I think, in
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: Arizona politics.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 10: People do not trust her.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 7: And they're not going to trust someone who they think
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: is just a craven politician doing whatever she can just
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: to gain power.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 11: Okay. Last and very tough question for you. How can
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 11: the people either in this room or listening at home,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 11: how can they help you defeat Carrie Lake and give
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 11: the Democrats the majority that President Kamala Harris needs in
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 11: the Senate?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Number one.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: We've got to get our commercials out there. We've got
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 7: to get our mail.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 10: We've got to get our digital. You can donate. www.GallegoForArizona.com
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 10: Really appreciate it. It's Gallego, not Gallegos. Happens a lot.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 10: It's okay.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: Two, this election, whether it's top of ticket all the
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: way to the bottom, they're going to be decided by
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: a couple hundred votes. A couple thousand votes. We had
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 7: an attorney general's race that last year was decided with
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: around 250 votes. So, Door knock, call, volunteer every time
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: you can. We have about 30 days till ballots drop.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: We're an early voting state. Arizonans, Democrats, Republicans, Independents love
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: to vote early, so let's talk to them. Let's have
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: respectful conversations with our fellow Arizonans. Let's remind them that
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: we're all patriots. We all want to do the same thing.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: We all want Arizona to move forward. If we do that,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: we will win Arizona again.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Please give it up for your next senator, Ruben Gallego.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 10: Thank you, thank you.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: When we come back, a game.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: And we're back.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: There are two kinds of people in this world. There's
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 8: the kind of person who bumps into their political opponent
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: outside a bathroom at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport. and
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 8: thinks even though I find my opponent's election denialism and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: extremism abhorrent, we are both human beings and perhaps in
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: this one fleeting moment, away from the draw of endless
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 8: shouting matches and viral confrontations, we might be able to
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 8: see each other as such and perhaps if I model
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 8: the kind of patriotism that says we can argue and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 8: compete at the end of the day, shake hands and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 8: respect the outcome of an election, we can help restore
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 8: that kind of politics for all of us. Until you
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: notice she's sort of cheating out a little because is
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: she fucking filming me? And then there's the other kind
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: of person, the person filming you. And so it's time
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 8: for a game we're calling Carried Interest, aka Lake Lake
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: Don't Tell Me. Most Arizonans, they understand that Carried Lake
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 8: is a dangerous crank. They've already gone to the polls
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 8: once and said, no, thank you. But like a chef
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: offering you seconds of a dish you sent back because
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 8: you ordered your burger medium, but what came out was
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 8: well-done dog shit, Carrie Lake is back. And we have
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: to remind Arizonans of just how out of touch and
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: out of her mind she is because it's frankly hard
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: to believe.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: Here's how it works. We have two teams.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 8: Ruben Gallego, because you were a Marine, I've teamed you
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 8: up with the second toughest person on this stage, Jane.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: Tommy, John, and Dan will be the other team. I
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: will ask questions.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 8: You will alternate going first. If you are right, you
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 8: get a point. If not, the other team can steal
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 8: for two points. Now, it says here that John, Tommy,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 8: and Dan are Group A, but former and active military
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 8: members board first, so we're going to start with Jane
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 8: and the congressman.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: Question one.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 8: Denying the results of the election she lost in 2022,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: Carrie Lake claimed to have whose blood coursing through her veins?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Trump.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: Incorrect.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 8: For the steal, blood? Whose blood did she say was
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 8: coursing through her veins as she fought to steal the election?
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: Barry Goldwater? That's a good call. I'm sorry, you can go.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: George Washington?
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: Double steal.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 8: It was the Founding Fathers. She said, Benjamin Franklin and
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: the Founding Fathers. Many assumed it was a metaphor, but
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 8: she actually broke into the Smithsonian in a daring midnight raid.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: No, that's not right. All right, over to John, Dan,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: and Tommy, too.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: Carrie Lake's ongoing refusal to accept election results she doesn't
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 8: like has actually inspired a song.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: What is the name of that song?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, you....
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: And I'm proud of that. 81 million votes? So close.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 7: 81 million votes, my ass.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 14: Correct.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: And I believe we have a clip. I believe we
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: have a clip. It's a rap song, too.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 10: Just to be clear.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 15: They've pissed off an already pissed off woman.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: 81 million votes, my ass.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 15: The crime was committed in broad daylight. We're living on
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 15: Planet Crazy.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: We are living on Planet Crazy. It does slap. All right.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 7: She wants to vote on your behalf in the Senate.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Just remember that.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 8: Jane, Congressman Gallego, when sued for defamation over her baseless
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 8: allegations against election officials, the kinds of allegations that have
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 8: led to threats and forced officials to go into hiding,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 8: how did Carrie Lake defend her previous comments in March
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 8: of this year?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: She admitted that she actually lied and accepted the fact
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: that she said that she defamed Stephen Richard.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: I feel like people don't appreciate this. I didn't know that.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: People don't get this. She did not contest the charges.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: She surrendered, allowed the court to move straight to damages,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: and then as you pointed out during the interview, she's
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 8: now lying about how she admitted to lying about the
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 8: big fucking lie.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 10: You may have noticed she's kind of a liar.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It comes up a lot.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: That's the through line.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Human lie to be.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 8: John, Tommy, and Dan, according to Carrie Lake, when did
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 8: America first see racial hatred?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Racial hatred. When did it appear?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: It was the Obama era. It was when Barack Obama
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: was elected. That's correct. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 8: That's correct. I don't believe there was racist hatred. Obama
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 8: stoked that. Oh.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: So it's one less thing to worry about.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 13: Oh, good.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: Back to you, Congressman and Jane.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: What did Carrie Lake consider one of the greatest acts
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 8: of cowardice in American history? She described this as one
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 8: of the greatest acts of cowardice. What was the act?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 10: Voting to protect the ACA.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 11: Incorrect.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: For the steal. Mike Pence? Is it Mike Pence?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Mike Pence?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: That's correct.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 8: It was Mike Pence certifying the election. Mike Pence not
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: creating a new made-up rule, which is the vice president
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: picks the president, was an act of cowardice.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: I don't want to bring the vibe down, but I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: actually was thinking about this, which is.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: Congressman, no, look.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: The vibe is so high right now.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: What?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: The vibe is so good right now.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: The vibe is great.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: But no, but I really wanted to ask you this,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: which is... Look, I don't like Mike Pence very much,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: but you can't describe what he did as cowardice. He
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 8: was under a lot of pressure, and he stood up
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: to do the right thing. You're someone who's shown courage,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: and you've been around people that have shown courage. You're humble,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 8: but that's a big part of who you are.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 10: What does it tell you about.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 8: Carrie Lake's character, that she is confusing a genuine act
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 8: of backbone with cowardice?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 7: Well, she's never been put in a situation like that,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: and because she never has ever been in a situation
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: where she has to make a decision between Herself and
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: country she basically makes an excuse and tries to say
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 7: someone else is a coward when in fact she is
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: the coward.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 8: I would just say, when Carrie Lake said, I'm in
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: perfect health, the brakes on my car have been checked
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 8: and they're in working order, I am not suicidal, who
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 8: is she suggesting might try to take her out?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Wait, who is she suggesting what?
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: For everyone? That's for them or for us? You guys
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: take this one.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 8: Carrie Lake said, I'm in perfect health. The brakes on
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 8: my car have been checked. They're in working order and
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 8: I'm not suicidal. Who is she suggesting might try to
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 8: take her out?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: This is a real quote.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden?
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: Incorrect. It was Hillary Clinton. That was a twist.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Should have known. Honestly, that's always the answer.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: That's your second fault. When it got with her, it's always.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: That, yeah.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we should have known.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 10: Is there a slaughter rule to this?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: You are crushing.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 8: I understand there's a sports term in there, like how
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: in a little league game, if the kids are winning
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 8: by too much.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 8: Back to you, Congressman and Jane. Carrie Lake was caught
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 8: on tape saying, the only people who can enforce that
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 8: law are our sheriffs, and we need to start asking
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 8: the sheriffs if they're willing to enforce that.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: What is the law Carrie Lake was referring to?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 10: 1864 abortion law.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: That's correct.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 8: She said that in April of this year, when she
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 8: was meeting with Republicans behind closed doors less than six
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 8: months ago, a law she has repeatedly praised. You know
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 8: what that sound means.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 10: Do you know what some means?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: It's a lightning round where the points really add up.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 8: And so it's time to play a round of, say
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: it with me, who would Carrie Lake throw in jail
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: for personal or political reasons? Now, anyone can shout out
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 8: the answer if they know it. That's how the lightning
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: round works. How dare you? Said, fuck you, Harley Jarvis.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: He's comparing.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: How dare you?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: Carrie Lake has not just brainstormed about getting sheriffs to
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 8: enforce an abortion law passed before women could vote or
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 8: doctors knew about washing their hands. Believing the government should
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 8: go after people she doesn't like is kind of her vibe.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: Any team can answer.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: First up, Carrie Lake referred to the members of this
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 8: profession as criminals.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Doctors?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: Hmm.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: I hear teachers, nurses. You're getting warmer. Give you a hint.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: They're the enemy of the people.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Fauci's.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: We'll get there.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 8: It's journalists.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: It's journalists. We were close.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: We should have known that.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 15: Do not believe a word that the corrupt media says
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 15: that they're liars.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: And frankly, I think they're criminal.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: They should be.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 15: I mean, some of them probably should be locked up.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: Wild.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 12: She was an anchor, I believe.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: A TV anchor.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 8: She was a TV anchor. She was a part of
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 8: the profession.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Double checking.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Zeal of the converted. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: Not a good one.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 8: Carrie Lake said, Ivermectin is a wonder drug before suggesting
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 8: the sheriff's arrest this doctor.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: Anthony Fauci. That is true.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 15: I'm encouraging... any law, any lawmen here, and I'm talking sheriffs,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 15: to issue a warrant for Anthony Fauci's arrest out of Arizona.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 8: Carrie Lake also wanted to jail this opponent and former
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 8: Arizona Secretary of State.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Katie Hobbs.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 15: Katie Hobbs is going to have a really tough time
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 15: campaigning from behind bars, to be honest.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 10: What do you mean Katie Hobbs is going to be
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 10: behind bars?
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 15: Okay, you know what I mean, Steve. She's basically the
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 15: mastermind of the 2020 election.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: You didn't know this. You didn't know this.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 8: It was Katie Hobbs pulling Obama strings, pulling Biden strings,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 8: pulling Kamala.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: It goes all the way to the top. Katie fucking Hobbs.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 12: Arrest her fucking, arrest her ring light there, man.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Their face was glowing.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: I know, I just, I have to say that in
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: comparison to Steve Bannon, I'm like, damn, Carrie.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: That lighting is so good.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: That lighting is good. Also good are winners.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 8: Congressman Ruben Gallego and Jane have won the game. Now,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: speaking of winning the game, I did want to leave
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 8: you with this moment from Carrie Light.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 15: The media, hit your record button back there.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: My pronouns are I-1.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 15: Her pronouns are I-1.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: No, she didn't.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: And that's not what pronouns are.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: She didn't win, and to make sure she doesn't win,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: go to Gallego. For Arizona.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 8: And votesaveamerica.com and sign up to make sure we put
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 8: Ruben Gallego in the Senate and send Carrie Lake back
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 8: to Truth Social where she belongs.
• 1:24:07
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• 1:24:10
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