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in tonight's episode of Disguised Coverage. It is NFL Combine week here at Disguis
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Coverage, but also in the NFL, and it's an important week. Uh.
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You know, the tape is always king, But when it comes to
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the combine measurables and metrics and performances there can go a long way in terms
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of some moving and shaking for draft classes as a whole, but specifically and
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especially with regard to specific position groups. I'm already stumbled over my words and
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only a minute, and this is going to be this is either gonna be
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super fun for you or really terrible for me, or both potentially. And
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to talk about the NFL combine with that Buffalo Bills lens with specificity and reference
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to special position groups of need and specific position groups of need for the Buffalo
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Bills. I am joined by someone who I consider extremely knowledgeable, who I
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love talking ball with and is just one of literally my go to dudes for
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bouncing ideas off of when it comes to football in general, but especially come
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draft time. You folks should know them already. Mister Russell Brown, now
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NFL draft analyst for Fantasy pros, also do stuff for the Lions Wire also
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do stuff for Betting Pros, formerly of Cover One. Everybody kind of knows
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your face and name around here. You're awesome, thank you for joining me.
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Thanks for having me brother, It's always always a fun time. And
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when you sent me the text, I go, I can't leave Marty Jeannetti
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hanging. I gotta I gotta join them. I gotta join them. I
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know the show is gonna probably end now, but no, it's good.
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Shawn Michaels is in the building, the show stopper has arrived, the Heartbreak
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you, Andrew, We're we're good. Everything is good. How are you
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to start a wrestling podcast, got that right now? That'll be sick bringing
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I'd bring one piey where we go. It's the it's literally the the Oh
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finisher, but I'd much rather be the Mounties, although they were kind of
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Man, we're getting super off track NFL Combine. I figured we could obtract,
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but it's fun, but also I don't want to. I don't want
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to push everybody. Like here we are at midnight. We're still rolling because
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we speak all talking tag teams more like Legion to Doom. Russ and I
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refer for a little peak behind the curtain. Russe and I refer to ourselves
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as the Steiner Brothers. That's the taging we've always gone with Russ obviously being
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a Detroit guy and a Michigan guy. That fits, and the Steiners are
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legitimately one of the greatest tag teams of all time. But the Legion of
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Doom. Legion of Doom and the Dudleys are my two favorite tag teams of
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all times. Man Killer Bees, They're so all mass Legion to Draft that's
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a podcast name this is. I don't even want to talk about the combine
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now. This is just so fun, But like I would be a liar
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and I would have severely missed other people. We don't talk about the NFL
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combine. Russ you are here. So again we're gonna dive into a bunch
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of different pieces tonight, but again focusing on those specific position groups of need
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for the Buffalo Bills in this draft class wide receiver, defensive tackle, edge
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safety, Russ. You and I are going to talk about players at each
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of those position groups who really can kind of help themselves the most at each
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of those position groups. Some day one guys, Day two guys, day
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three guys. And it seems like every year, and I ask you this
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every time you've been on the show, but it seems like every time combine
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rules around, coming out of the combine, there's somebody who just jettisons themselves
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forward because of a strong combine performance. The example I always give was when
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I was a little kid, and I remember Vernon Davis showed up and wore
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like nothing but a super tight cutoff shirt and the super tight compression shorts and
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ran like a high four to three or a low four four forty at like
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huge size and weight, and it shot him up to like roughly like a
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top ten pick. And you get those guys that just shine at the combine.
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I mentioned it a little earlier in the intro and alluded to it a
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bit. But and again I've asked you this like multiple years now, how
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important is the combine for you in terms of your draft rankings, your draft
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analysis? Like you and I were talking offline about your top one hundred and
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going through that, Like, does is there a lot of moving and shaking
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for you personally? We know there is for NFL clubs, we know that
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that will matter. But for you, pure evaluation, pure scouting, going
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off the tape as much as you do, how much does the combine kind
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of move and shake things for you? I mean it moves it a little
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bit. I Like I had to put a percentage on it over the over
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the weekend on a radio spot and it us yep, yep. But the
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host that asked me, like what percentage would you give it? And I
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was like, I mean probably teams probably give it about ten percent, So
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for me, probably three or four percent. I mean I don't get to
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talk with these players at the combine like they do and stuff like that,
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so I think that's really where the high percentage comes in. And more so
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watching the you know, looking at medicals and exact medicals and stuff like that
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is very important. But seeing the workouts. It matters. It's part of
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the process. It's it's measuring, a measure, a measuring tool to really
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see it and look at it and be like, Okay, this guy looks
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fluid on tape. I'm watching him go through. It's not connection, gotcha,
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yeah, oh my god. Uh but going like like seeing them go
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through the motions on the field and through certain drills, it's like, Okay,
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it matches the tape or it doesn't match. He looks like, uh,
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I'm sorry reading the comment. Oh, I just pulled up funny things
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Peter to go and say. I talked it over with my age and I've
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decided not to work out of the NFL Combine this year. And that's a
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common theme this year. I don't understand why you would even accept the combine
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inlight if you're not gonna work out there. I hate that, Like,
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well, I'm gonna go and measure, but I'm not gonna do anything.
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I'm like, just don't go that. You could just measure it your protate
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right exactly, But I mean it plays at factor. The combine is important.
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It's a measuring tool and it'll again it gives you just kind of clarification
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of the athletic ability of a player that you're taking. And I think that
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matters because if you have and I always use this as an example, Tease
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Taber a guy out of Florida that he had a really good tape, but
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he came into his scheme in Detroit as a pressman corner and he ran like
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a four six seven forty I think it was actually a four to six two,
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and he couldn't recover. Guys would fly by him after they'd get off
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his jam and he couldn't catch up to him, and there was no recovery
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speed there. So I always use that as kind of like a measuring stick
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with corners, like if you're running a four six two good shot, I'm
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not drafting you or having you very high. And I'm not one of those
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guys, and I'm like, oh, this guy was my fiftieth ranked player,
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he ran a four to two five, and now he's my tenth ranked
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player. I don't do these catastrophic jumps up and down the board. He
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might move up a couple spots, but again, it just depends on the
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players around him, Like if the guys in front of him also had a
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solid combine, there's no reason for me to move that guy up and that
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guy down, like there's still mecking neck. And at the end of the
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day, the tape is the tape. So I've always been a firm believer
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in that trust the tape. Those three words. I live by TTT or
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T whatever you want to call it. So I'm a tape guy. Combine
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matters. But again, it's just a measuring tool. I think it's it's
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it's such an important piece to quantify. I think what you're seeing, like
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I like knowing, like man like this dude's got really great like change of
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direction, okay, like what does this three cone look like? And pieces
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like that, or man like this dude just keeps ghost in everybody, like
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up the field, like what's his forty? And then it's like he's running
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out four to six, Like that's weird. Is he just not testing right?
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Is it something where? Or it's like no, man, he ran
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a four four one. You're like that tracks and that makes sense. I
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think it's I think it's useful in terms of quantifying what the tape shows you,
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which is what I love about advance These aren't advanced metrics, but what
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I love about advanced metrics in general, like the ability to quantify what you
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are seeing on the tape and put a number and be able to put things
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further into perspective. I think it's such a helpful piece for the combine and
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interviews matters so much. And I also think there's some not like clutch aspect
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to it. But I think there is something to be said for per forming
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amongst your peers and the best of the best and trying to show out,
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whether it's like running a forty or whether it's you know that. I always
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think of the drill, the receiver drill, where they're just supposed to hold
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the line and run across and catch and gauntlet. Yeah, yeah, and
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so many dudes are always like weaving and drifting and like that. It's it's
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not going to deter anyone greatly, but it's such like a little thing to
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like when you see someone really hold that line and just bang bang bang,
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versus someone who weaves in and out and is unsure of themself. It's a
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little thing to be like, oh, is this guy a little shook right
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now? Like, especially when you get those two dudes who come up like
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one after the other or within like a two or three spot, and you
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know, like they're in that same tier. They're eye in one another,
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like how they perform. It's nice to kind of see how everybody stacks up
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with one another. Going to get quantify what you see on tape. I
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want to address a rumor and shut this down right now, Joe says,
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and has the Ducks jersey on to indicate that he believes the Bills will take
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Troy Franklin. I see your game. So yes, I'm wearing an Anaheim
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Mighty Ducks jersey, a team Muslani Anaheim Mighty Ducks jersey. It is not
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for that. I just I Troy Franklin is okay. I just think he's
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why he's been shocked to the moon and so many evaluations and talked about as
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this like complete receiver who can win all over the field and do all these
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things, and I just disagree with that so hard. He's super fast,
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and that speed is awesome, Like I'll take a dude who can run like
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a gazelle. But I just think he's being his and the analysis for what
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his evaluation is is just being far too overblown. But again, the speed
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is awesome. You could coach him up and develop our routree and all these
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other things. I'm sure we'll get into that piece as we go for it,
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But yeah, I want to dispel that, dispel that terrible rumor,
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Joe, how absolutely dare you? But yeah, the combine is valuable,
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and I think within that piece, let's start with the wide receivers RUSS because
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that's the sexy piece that I think so many Bills fans are focused on and
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thinking about. When it comes to the Buffalo Bills. Gabe Davis is a
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free agent probably going elsewhere. Even if he wasn't, I think fans still
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want a wide receiver. This class is on paper pretty loaded. It's got
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a strong top tier, especially with the top three with Marvin Harrison Junior and
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elite neighbors and Roman Dunze, and then really even like a strong two depending
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on how you tier everybody. A strong two, three, four, five,
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you have a chance to get like a quality wide receiver, like true
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quality back end of like round two. Going into round three, you can
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get a useful like wide receiver three with some high like wide receiver two upside
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potentially going into the fourth round depending on how the board falls. And so
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we'll start with that wide receiver grouping, and who do you think can help
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themselves the most at this position grouping from somebody in those in that earlier tier,
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potential Day one guy who maybe might be able to propel himself higher into
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Day one, or maybe somebody who's on the fringe Day two, day one
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and with a good combine, can thrust himself firmly into that first round.
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Yeah. I mean, I think a Donnie Mitchell out of Texas, and
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I'm very much on that train. I think I'm probably the leader of that
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hype train. He's a top twenty five player for me. I have him
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ranked a head of key On Coleman, and I look at him just the
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body control. It felt like whenever teams needed him to have a big catch,
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he came up with one. He found ways to get his feet in
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bounds. He finds the football very well, he can high point the ball,
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and he moves so well for a six foot four, two hundred and
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five pound receiver like or one hundred ninety five pound receiver. I always mixed
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up his size with Marvin Harrison because Harrison's six four to two oh five and
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Mitchell six four. I've got everybody like the heights and weights. I mix
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up everybody's all the time. I constantly have to go back to my notes
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and make sure I'm not like it. I'll usually get somewhere in the ballpark
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of the heights right, But I'm always like, oh, yeah, he
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weighs like one hundred and eighty five pounds, and it's like, no,
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he's two o five And I'm like, why was I so off? Yeah,
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numbers get me this. Yeah yeah, But Mitchell's just one of those
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guys. He just he does it for me. He moves very well as
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as a player for that size and route running, and we've kind of talked
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about him. There's games where it's like you're not really running a route.
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But there's a lot of receivers that are like that. They just they don't
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run their route when they're not getting the ball, and that I think that's
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becoming a common theme across the league. Not saying that you know, that's
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that's saying the guy's gonna be a bust or anything like that. I think
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it can be corrected in the NFL or the guys he's not going to see
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the not see the field. That's three point though. I feel like this
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year more than others. There's a good handful of guys in like the top,
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like the upper tiers, where I can tell they're not getting the ball
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because of their release off the line, their body language in the stem,
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like I can just tell, like, oh, you know, you're not
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getting the ball, And I feel like that usually doesn't happen for so many
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dudes, especially towards the top, like you're compared to previous years. I
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mean, Roma Dunesa does it, and a lot of it's because he's on
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the other side of the field and that offense, everything's thrown outside the number,
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so we already know realistically he's probably not getting the football because of where
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the ball's positioned on the hash and and all that stuff. But no,
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I think a Donni Mitchell is going to test really well. I do.
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I think, you know, I just want to know what his forty time
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is going to be. That's not the above all be all for me.
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I mean, I think the three cone drill is going to be well.
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But you know, the only time I've ever been able or the only track
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and field thing that I've been able to uncover on him was the long jump,
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and he jumped eighteen like eighteen sixty five or something like that. So
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nothing to which is good, which is not good? I don't know how
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it says that good for a long jump. Yeah, No, it's it's
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fine. I mean it's everything checks out on that, but it's it's one
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of those where it's like, you know what type of player we are we
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getting? You know, as far as the explosiveness and all that, And
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again, that could have been a score or a measurable from when he was
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in ninth or tenth grade. I mean that's the other thing too, Like
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some of these guys were on varsity track in ninth and tenth grade as like
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a fifth grader. Yeah, and then they stopped doing it when they were
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in eleventh and twelfth grade so they could focus on football. So I think
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it just depends on that. But I think he's gonna run well, I
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hope. And I'm just really curious how that turns out. Roma Dunsay,
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I had a text from somebody yesterday. You got a text from Romo Dunsay
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and he was like, man, you look like Marty Jenetty. No,
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no, no, no, we're not going back to the tag. Just
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make it all up. He knows on the heart. He knows. I'm
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mister WrestleMania. He knows, But roma dunsay. He ran one hundred meters
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dash in high school in ten point sixty five seconds, so that should translate
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to a sub four four time. And I mean that's saying something when you're
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six foot three, two hundred and fifteen pounds, Like for the Bill's sake,
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he probably wasn't gonna be there anyways. But let's say they get they
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get frisky, they want to trade up if they like let's say you're a
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doing a mock draft simulator and he's sitting there at twelve or thirteen and you
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try to trade up and you try to get him. Realistically, I don't
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know if that's gonna happen if he runs a sub four four or a potential
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four three five, Like there there's some good confirmation. And like Jalen Wadell
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ran a ten six eight one hundred meter dash, so you know, three
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tenths of a second faster. We'll we'll kind of see what happens. So
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so a douneday's gonna move some other like just out of the top tier guys.
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You know, I'm really curious with Xavier Worthy, how the medical is
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gonna test. I mean, he flies a ten to five five hundred meter
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dash. I'm not trying to, you know, steal anything that you're I
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know that's your guy, So I don't want to steal your n You're but
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you're all. I'm not. I don't have the track numbers. I know
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that's your thing, so h yeah, no, And I mean he ran
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a ten five five. It's it's he flies. My biggest concern with Xavier
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Worthy and I think maybe we can dive into him just is his overall evaluation,
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because I know you're a fan. I love the blazing speed, I
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love what he can present after the catch, the vertical threadability, but he's
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got the lower body injury with like his ankle and foot that was banged up
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earlier this year. Lower body extremities just always worry me because they tend to
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flare back up down the road. But like, it wouldn't surprise me if
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he pulled a lot of like Hollywood Brown pro comparisons, and you know,
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I can pull up Hollywood Brown's protae or combine numbers and all that. But
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yeah, I don't know. I think exager Worthy's gonna test really well.
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A Donnie Mitchell, and then yeah, I mean Roal Madonday. Those are
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kind of the top three guys for me. I'll start with Worthy kind of.
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I have some pieces on Mitchell Dukes. I really like him as well.
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He's a there's and actually, actually I'm gonna get into this point a
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minute because there's so many pieces for what I was about to say. I
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do think heat Worthy he's gonna test really well and show well in that for
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it. I think he's a dude you're looking at like, I don't know,
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he could probably I feel like he's gonna run him like the high four
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threes, Like I could see him popping out like a four three nine,
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a four to three eight. He intrigues me so much. He's my wide
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receiver for and it's the speed with the route running precision that he operates with
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like and being able to run the easy the routes that he runs. He
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runs like everything at full speed, Like he attacks leverage, he attacks cushion,
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like when that ball is snapped. He comes out of the gates hot.
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And it's so funny to see him and Mitchell on the field at the
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same time because it'll be like the ball is snapped and Mitchell's running or a
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Worthy's running like he owes rent money and it's due. And Mitchell's just like
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like off the line, just like not a care in the world. And
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I just love his pace and what he doesn't and how he can get vertical,
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he can defeat press with suddenness in his hands and even though he runs
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everything full speed and he's he's got this one cut I forget who was against.
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I called it like a tokyo drift cut. It's just like an out,
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like a deep out, but he runs it full speed and then when
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he hits the braak, he leans and like drags his hand like on the
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ground to balance himself and just comes out and separates. And even within that
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he's got acceleration and deceleration in and out of his breaks. My biggest question
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with him, I do have some injury concerned pieces. He's gotten better with
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the drops, but I still think like the drop issue is less than ideal
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for him. And then I do wonder for as much as I like him
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six to one, one hundred and seventy two pounds, even though last year
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I banged the table for Tank Dell. Jordan Addison was my wide receiver one.
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I believe you. Jordan Anderson was your wide receiver one as well,
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and right, yeah, yeah, and Jordan Addison was a tiny guy as
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well, especially for a wide receiver one. Both of those guys, even
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Josh Downs as well. His performance in Indianapolis, which I think flew under
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the radar as a rookie, those guys gave me more confidence in smaller frames,
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smaller bodied wide receivers being able to not only succeed in the NFL,
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but being able to succeed early on and potentially in their rookie year. So
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that gives me a little more confidence in having him be a wide receiver four
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for me, But it does concern me a little bit again, like the
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drop stuff, which he has gotten better and a lot of his drops come
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underneath. Like Eric Turner uh from Cover one put out a good tweet earlier
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today. I think it was him then, Like most of his drops are
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coming in the one to ten yard area, Like he doesn't really drop anything
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downfield. And that's another thing I love about him, to the ball tracking
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ability, just what he can do. I think his tape is so strong
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from a technical perspective and from a speed perspective, and then if he comes
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out and shows out at the combine I combine, I think he can really
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propel himself solidly into the first round. A similar guy, Brian Thomas Junior
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from LSU, who I'm kind of iffy on overall, is like a prospect.
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I just don't and I think you kind of get what you get with
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him, which is like I don't want to like simplify it, but like
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big guy runs fast. Like he's six foot four, he's over two hundred
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pounds. He flies. If he runs, I don't know if he runs
22:57
a sub four four or a low four four four Already that becomes extremely intriguing.
23:00
He and he starts that conversation for me with this tier guy, so
23:07
for me and I put out a tweet about it earlier this week. My
23:08
tiers are I have Marvin Harrison Junior and Malik Neighbors and Tier one together.
23:14
Mbah is one, Neighbors is two. I have Roma Dunze and his own
23:17
tiers, so Roma Dunza is Tier two by himself. Then I've got Worthy
23:21
in Tier three as wide receiver four, and then that tier right after.
23:26
There's so many guys that I feel the combine could go a long way and
23:30
helping them separate the Mitchells, the Keon Coleman's, the Xavier Lagats, the
23:33
Brian Thomas juniors, the Troy Franklins. Like I think if Franklin comes down
23:38
and runs like a four three two forty or something wild, maybe that propels
23:41
him a little forward. If Brian Thomas, again at his size and frame,
23:45
comes out his ability to high point the football and extend and win with
23:48
that physicality the catch point if he's running a sub four four, Keon Coleman
23:53
can really sink his ship or potentially booy it a little bit with a strong
23:57
combine with the athleticism inside and frame and ability to high point the football.
24:02
That's where the conversation gets really interesting for me. And then even going to
24:07
the back end too, like what does Jalen Polk do, What does Jalen
24:10
McMillan do, What does Javon Baker do? Or how fast is TODJ.
24:12
Washington or Malik Washington run? Like those kind of guys in Day three,
24:17
But it's that it's that Day two kind of breaking into Day one tier with
24:22
the Mitchells and the Colemans and the Thomases, and the Franklins. And I
24:27
don't know, like you and I, neither of us love what Xavier Legett
24:30
did at the Senior Bowl. But he's cut up. He looks like a
24:33
baby aj Brown. If he comes out and runs like a four four forty
24:37
at like two hundred and twenty something pounds, he's going to jump out of
24:41
the gym. He's gonna bench really well like he is. That he's the
24:44
Vernon Davis of this year's Combine, where he's gonna look great in shorts and
24:48
he's going to show out in every drill. Do people see that one year
24:52
of production and think, man, you know what he's on the come up?
24:56
We can tap into that. Look how we tested boom, you can.
25:00
I feel like you can say that for him and really a bunch of
25:02
other guys in those tiers. That back end of round one into the middle
25:06
of round two, I think is so interesting for the receivers, and I
25:10
think the combine can go a long way in terms of settling some of that
25:12
dust. No, I'm with you, and like you mentioned the drops with
25:17
Xavier Worthy, so I want to go back to him real quick, because
25:19
the key thing there was, you know, I think it was like eleven
25:23
or twelve drops in the one to ten yard range, And it's like,
25:29
I'm gonna take this guy to at you know, let's say six foot,
25:32
one hundred and seventy five pounds. I'm not gonna always put him as an
25:34
ex receiver. He's gonna play in the slot for me? Is he gonna
25:37
yeah? Is he gonna win in the short and intermediate areas of the field
25:41
consistently enough where I can trust him to catch the ball first and foremost,
25:45
that's big. And if he can't do that and I don't have that trust,
25:48
now, what is he going to be for me? Is he only
25:49
going to be a deep threat? Is he only? What is he for
25:52
me? Like that's where I struggle with because the drops are a concern,
25:56
But you mentioned Keon Coleman the only and why I'm off on him a little
26:00
bit is just I don't I don't know if it's because like watching him at
26:06
Michigan State and seeing the usage, like the usage was just so asinine.
26:11
And then I watched him at Florida State and like there was some games where
26:15
he just popped all the time, and then there was games where, like
26:18
we talk about route running and like no usage, it's ugly and it's ugly.
26:22
And then like I look into times and like when he was a senior
26:26
in high school, is PR for the hundred meter dash was eleven point seven
26:30
six seconds, And like if I throw that in, if I throw that
26:33
into the converter, like just doing that right now, it's it's a four
26:40
to nine, Like that's what they converted to. Like it's terrible, and
26:44
I get it, Like there's so much that goes into a hundred meter dash
26:47
and that's not the above all be all, Like what was his time between
26:49
you know, zero yards and forty So like I just I struggle with that.
26:55
I don't know, like how well he's going to test again. He
26:57
might blow it up and run a four three five. I have no idea.
27:00
I don't think he's going to He doesn't look like that type of guy.
27:03
He looks like a build up receiver. So I just I struggle with
27:07
Keon. But you got into some Day three names. There are late Day
27:11
two names and Jalen Polk I'm so intrigued with because I think he's going to
27:15
test really well. I really do. And health is a big concern with
27:18
him. Injury history is a big concern. I'm a fan of him.
27:22
I think he's a top seventy five player in this draft. I think you
27:26
could take him in the back end of the second round and be just fine.
27:30
I could see him going even sooner. I mean, I don't have
27:33
a recorded one hundred meter dash for him, but two hundred meter dash time
27:36
was twenty two point eighty nine, So I mean that's that's flying for anybody
27:41
out there. I mean, going two hundred meters, that's flying. But
27:45
no, I just I like Jalen Polk's game a lot as kind of like
27:49
that slot receiver motion guy. I think if he landed in a place like
27:55
San Francisco, La. We talked about, I talked with you about Troy
27:57
Franklin on that and I want to get into Troy Franklin in a second.
28:02
But like with Polk, I just I think if you get him in motion
28:04
and you kind of get him out in space and get some you know,
28:07
a big body in front of him, I think he can do some damage.
28:11
And I feel kind of the same way with Troy Franklin. I think
28:14
he plays obviously with better body control than Polk. He's obviously bigger one of
28:18
those types of players, though, I think if he's if he doesn't add
28:22
any type of muscle or any type of weight to his frame, I think
28:26
he's going to struggle with physical defenders consistently at the catch point. And like
28:30
so much of his game at times was like batched older catches and like making
28:36
these great adjustments, and like he was where he's where, he's got like
28:38
ten yards of separation because he just flew by everybody trying to cover him exactly.
28:42
And I'm just like, if you're playing against a team that can run
28:47
like really good quarters coverage, I don't know if that's going to work for
28:49
you. If you know, if you got a too high shell, is
28:52
that guy is that safely going to be able to get over the top on
28:55
you. It's very possible, especially if you have a quarterback that you know
28:57
doesn't throw it on a row. And I don't know, I just struggle
29:02
with Troy Franklin. I think he's more of like closer to thirty five forty
29:06
range rather than like top twenty five. I think that's a little bit more
29:11
respectable. So I don't know, I don't know who's gonna really show out
29:15
outside of like Roma doone day and exavier' worthy on the forty. I think
29:19
the rest of it, you know, three cone drill and stuff, you
29:22
just got to see how it goes. I think the winner of probably the
29:25
three code three cone drill is gonna probably be uh Lad McConkie. I mean,
29:29
if we want to talk about route running, he's he might be the
29:33
best route runner in the class. I honestly, I completely agree. He
29:37
is already like a professional route runner. I oh, you and I were
29:41
texting yesterday about it. I put out that clip and he doesn't get the
29:45
ball. He's just running a go against Tennessee and you I and maybe this
29:49
is and no, I was gonna say, like maybe because I don't watch
29:53
a film. I watch a ton of film. I don't think I've ever
29:56
seen someone use a rocker step in their stem for a go route to be
30:00
somebody vertical, like I just hadn't seen that, and he just I was
30:03
like, oh, and obviously he stood out at the Senior Bowl and on
30:07
tape for us, you know, going into the Senior Bowl. But yeah,
30:10
he's just such a professional route runner already. And he's somebody too who
30:14
I think, And I think it's because of certain demographic pieces that he hits.
30:19
But everybody's like Man, like great slot receiver, like Man, the
30:22
next Hunter Renfro and all this stuff. Like I think he can win on
30:25
the outside given his route running, given his releases and how precise he is
30:29
in his movements. He's another interesting one. I'm interested in him and like
30:33
the kind of the guys that are like build as slot guys, but I
30:36
think could also do things on the outside, like Maconkey, like Ricky Piersoll.
30:40
I'm interested to see how they test. I also to kind of bring
30:44
it back to your your your first dude, you know. With Mitchell,
30:47
his his flexibility and like how pliable he is I find really interesting, like
30:53
his movements. He's not the sharpest or the most sudden like route runner,
30:59
he's now this just precise. Again, It's so awesome watching him and Xavier
31:03
Worthy on the same field because they're a great juxtaposition with one another. But
31:07
he's just so explosive and flexible, Like you watch him in a break and
31:12
his ability to sink his hips or have that ankle flexion, it's almost like
31:18
he uses it like a recoil, like he bends and then snaps out of
31:21
it, Like you watch him run just like a simple slant and the stem
31:26
isn't anything great, and he looks like he's running it at like forty percent
31:30
and then he puts his foot in the ground and he creates like six yards
31:33
of separation just off of the push off because he stabs that foot in the
31:37
ground and it's boom out of the break. He's a one for me too
31:41
that I watched the ball tracking downfield and the hands and the catch radius and
31:45
how smooth and fluid he makes everything look. He's one who I think I
31:51
think could test well and firmly entrench himself in that round one conversation because like
31:56
he's one two that gauntlet drill, He's gonna do amazing the hands, He's
32:01
gonna hold that line. It's gonna be pretty and smooth. You're barely gonna
32:05
hear a noise when the ball touches his hands, and it's just gonna look
32:08
like he's just out there being like what else? What? Yes? On
32:12
board? Like he's I think he could really show out in that regard and
32:15
cement himself. Yeah, and I think he could be Again, we circle
32:19
this around the bills. I know people are gonna be. And I've seen
32:22
the comments in here, like people don't want you to trade up for a
32:24
guy in the first round, and I understand that, but like, if
32:28
you have a guy that's gonna make your team better, if they moved up
32:30
to like nineteen or twenty to get a Donnie Mitchell, I think that's a
32:36
win. I really do. I think that makes your team better. Pairing
32:39
him up with Stefan Diggs. We've seen what we saw with Khalil Khalil Shakir.
32:45
You have Dawson Knox, you you have Dalton Kinkaid. Like a six
32:50
foot four guy makes it. It makes a difference, man, and he
32:53
moves like a five foot nine guy. Like you also got to think too.
32:57
The thing I keep putting into and I've said it on the show last
33:00
week and multiple other shows that I've been on. Sorry, I've done like
33:04
a bunch of guest spots last like two weeks, and so everything is like
33:06
going in my brain. I mean, I think I did say in this
33:08
guy's coverage. Whoever the Bill's drafts say they draft a receiver in the first
33:13
round right to be like quote unquote wide receiver two. He's not gonna be
33:16
target two. Target one is Stefan Diggs, Target two is Dalton Kincaid.
33:22
Target three might even be Khalil Shakir. But also factoring in how good the
33:27
Bill's run game is and what Joe Brady likes to do in the run,
33:30
combined with using running backs out of the backfield, James Cook is probably target
33:34
at the very least touch person number three. So I feel like, at
33:38
best, even if you draft a wide receiver in round one, they're probably
33:43
in terms of touches option four coming out of this year because it's gonna be
33:45
Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, and then this receiver, which is what makes
33:50
it intriguing to me with someone like a Worthy who's such a field stretcher,
33:53
even Troy Franklin, but Mitchell as well, because he adds an element in
33:58
the receiver room you don't have, which is size, the ability to high
34:00
point the football and basically play above the rim and play big boy football downfield.
34:06
And then you take the juice that he has and the athleticism and the
34:10
natural ability that he has and you let him lean into those in year one
34:15
while you coach up that professional route running aspect to him. So by the
34:21
time whenever Stefan Diggs leaves, Mitchell's ready to be your number one because he's
34:25
got the size, he's got the frame. He can be an extra receiver,
34:29
or you can move him around and have him be a little bit of
34:30
a power slot like you want to do some fun stuff. Cool, put
34:35
him in the slot next to Stefan Diggs and throw some slot fades his way,
34:37
and let's see him up against that nickel or up against the safety.
34:40
And then or imagine too, like you're putting Mitchell on the backside as the
34:45
ex receiver because to the trip side you've got Dalton Kincaid, Stefan Diggs and
34:51
Khalil Shakir. Cool, what does the corner two look like? Do they
34:54
have the size or the speed of the physicality to match up with Mitchell?
34:58
Because that's an easy one on one bucket depending on what kind of team you're
35:00
playing against. And that's where again, all these fits and schematics start to
35:04
get really interesting. That's also too why I don't love Brian Thomas, but
35:07
I can understand the fit for Brian Thomas there with the Bills, because you
35:10
put him on that backside as the X receiver by himself and just say again
35:15
not to simplify his game, but be like, hey, bro, go
35:17
run real fast downfield. Alan's going to chuck it up to you. Just
35:21
go out jump who's ever downfield? And He's probably like, okay, I
35:23
can do that. Let's just so intriguing, well, you know, getting
35:29
away from I'm with you, I would be so intrigued to see what that
35:32
looks like, just because I think there's so much upside in versatility with everything
35:38
that you have as far as you know, formations, production and obviously just
35:45
development and then obviously everything that goes into Josh Allen right, like it just
35:49
makes him a better quarterback, and that's what it's about, making him better
35:52
so he can get over the hump and get this team over the hump.
35:55
And obviously competing with guys like Mahomes and Burrow and Lamar and stuff like that
36:00
in this in this conference. But I look at and I didn't bring him
36:04
up yet Jermaine Burton Alabama. So you talked about him to me, oh,
36:10
yes, like two weeks ago, and I finally like started diving in
36:15
a little bit and I'm like, man, this guy he has some solid
36:20
tape. I don't know how he's gonna test, but I think fluidity wise
36:24
and the vert like the vertical ability from him is something else. But he's
36:30
gonna run fast. I feel like I think he's gonna run into I could
36:32
see him being a sneaky guy to push like low four fours, yes,
36:37
and I think he's gonna push into that potential back end of the second round
36:42
conversation. Same way I feel about like jaylen Polk, same way I feel
36:45
about Jermaine Burton. I think there's some some really talented receivers. I think
36:49
it's a deep class. So I think that's why maybe the Bills don't force
36:52
their hand in the first round, unless again, there's a guy that they
36:55
really like, like in the Donnie Mitchell or maybe Kean Coleman. But I
36:59
just Jermaine Burton. Man. I'm so curious how he's gonna test. And
37:04
he didn't run track and field, so I don't know. But he looks
37:08
fast. I mean, he looks like he can fly and he's got good
37:12
I mean, we'll see what he measures in at the combine, but he's
37:15
listed at six foot, one hundred and ninety four pounds, like he's got
37:17
good. Some shots, dude, he takes some shots and he plays.
37:21
So here's the thing that scares me a little bit for the bills with him.
37:24
I know there are some like potential character stuff, like I know the
37:29
stuff that happened after the Tennessee game where he like hit a fan or did
37:31
something, and I know how much like trash he talk to the Georgia fans
37:37
after they beat him. But some of that, like on the field,
37:40
I like, like he plays with such an edge. The Texas A and
37:45
M tape is the game I started with, and he it's like the first
37:50
or second drive and he runs like an out on like second down or third
37:54
down, right at the sticks, and the corner breaks it up and knocks
37:58
it out of his hands. And every time for the entire rest of the
38:02
game that Burton makes any kind of catch on that corner, he is barking
38:07
at him and letting him know what's good, Like it was like a personal
38:10
vendetta, like he got that PBu and Burton was just like, you're dead
38:15
for the whole rest of this game. And he catch that he's maked.
38:17
He is gun in him and the edge that he plays with, the tenacity
38:22
he plays with, the physicality, he's got a route where uh they do
38:25
like a switch release and he takes an inside. He takes an inside release.
38:29
Corners literally grabbing him and pulling his arm back, and Burton dips and
38:35
just shakes the hell out of him and then gets on the out and like
38:37
the dude corner falls to the ground. Burton's wide open. Then of course
38:39
gets up talks like he can sink his hips. He's got a nasty rocker
38:45
step. He can sell vertical and snap it off like I could watch him
38:49
run a five yard hitch all day. He'll stem that outside and get you
38:52
to turn, especially if you're playing bail, you're a bail type of technique
38:55
team. He'll try. He'll work into that blind spot and then when he
39:00
he snaps it off, it's a quick He'll get that first, that long
39:02
step, sink that hip, and then it's one more and he's turning and
39:07
he's snatching it like yeah. And I would like to see him use some
39:09
more deception in his stems in general. But the physicality he's got to athleticism
39:14
down the field. He can high point the football. I love your point
39:17
as well. Of like waiting past the first round after the bills for a
39:22
wide receiver. I recognize the talent pool that could potentially be there. I
39:27
just think the second and third round are loaded with wide receiver talent. And
39:30
granted a lot of the Bills holes on the roster are going to get filled
39:37
as we go forward in free agency. They're not going to go into the
39:38
draft having only six defensive linemen on the roster and having a big hole at
39:43
safety and not having a true wide receiver too. They're gonna like bring in
39:45
reinforcement so they can go best player available and all that. But the wide
39:50
receiver pool is just so deep from a schematic usage perspective, And we haven't
39:55
even gotten into somebody who like I really like, like Javon Baker, who
39:59
I talked about going in the Senior Bowl, talked about him coming out like
40:01
he's somebody like the broh yeah, thrash from Louisville, Like there's so we're
40:07
doing like the other Jalen from Washington, Jalen McMillan, I also like,
40:10
I put a clip out earlier twenty twenty two. Jalen McMillan was nasty this
40:16
year. He was a bit hurt for Washington, which is what helped Jalen
40:20
Polk become more than number two in Washington. But twenty twenty two, Jalen
40:24
McMillan, if anybody wants to see go I put up some stuff against Oregon.
40:29
He's high pointing the football downfield against Christian Gonzales and ripping it away from
40:32
him. I'm like a fifty yard post and he's running choice routes and crossing
40:37
dudes up and breaking ankles. Like, oh, as Jag says, you
40:39
got Malachi Corley, Like there's all these options in this draft. Again,
40:45
somebody I like Javon Baker because of the Sloman Wilson. I'm got Roman Wilson,
40:50
who was probably the like the arguably the best Senior Bowl performer when we
40:52
were down there mobile earlier this month. Like, there are so many dudes
40:57
that again, where they go and where they fall will be based upon what
41:01
a team is looking for in that skill set. It's similar to kind of
41:06
I think the good example to use is like a microcosm for it is Jackson
41:08
Smith and Jigba last year, who is a great wide receiver, but unless
41:13
you needed a slot receiver, you didn't really care about Jackson Smith and Jigba,
41:16
So it was like, oh, well, he's arguably like he might
41:20
be wide receiver one ahead of Jordan Addison. But then I was like,
41:22
yeah, but do you need a slot receiver. If not, then he's
41:24
not going to be high up on your board. And there's so many receivers
41:28
that based on their skill set and frame, as we have every year,
41:32
but I feel like especially this year will really determine where these guys go because
41:37
you've got all You've got all these guys jumbled together in these back end of
41:42
Round one into Round two tiers and even really the Day two creeping into late
41:46
Day one tiers. Because there's so many dudes varying frames, sizes, skill
41:52
sets, route, running progress, all that stuff. The combine again,
41:55
I think, can go a long way towards being like, well we had
41:58
similar grades on this on these two dudes, one of them ran a four
42:01
to four to two. The other one ran a four five five. So
42:04
maybe we take the guy who's four four. Dude, Roman Wilson ran a
42:07
ten eight six as a freshman. Damn really in the hundred meter tash as
42:13
a fresh and he's a dude that will route you up. So imagine if
42:15
he comes out and runs I don't know, like a four four three yeah,
42:20
right or four three? Imagine if he runs that four to three.
42:22
Like all of a sudden, we're getting into in a conversation piece where it's
42:27
like, okay, thicker frame, toughness, long speed, route running,
42:32
ability, pedigree with you know, being at Michigan multiple years, like where
42:37
does he slot in? Like oh, but man, it's just so many
42:39
dudes to have a conversation about. I know, dude, I will just
42:44
end it on this on wide receiver because I know we have other position groups.
42:46
But Jamari Thrash for me is a is A just a I loved what
42:52
he did at to see you had a fun weekend. It's either boy.
42:53
Yeah. The pacing of his routes like he might not be a blazer.
42:58
He might run a four or five. He might do a six eight five
43:02
in the three cone, which is perfect. Uh, it's not. I
43:06
don't know. I don't know. I can't remember what the threshold is for
43:08
receivers in the I have to look it up every year for the three code
43:12
to be like, oh, this is what someone's time is Like is that
43:14
good? And I have to go and look it up. Yeah, you
43:15
have to look at the percentile and all that. But it it's one of
43:20
those where it's like and I don't like always predicting, and like, I'll
43:23
make a couple of bets on the over and the under on certain guys,
43:27
but that's about it. I'm gonna make a lot of bets on anything.
43:29
You have a problem. I won fifty dollars on the on the wings winning
43:31
today. Thank you, doing a lot of people to go. They won
43:36
eight to three, by the way, Well good for you. Yeah,
43:37
we're winning the Cup. We're winning the Cup. I got, you know,
43:39
I got as long as one of the teams I really hate don't win
43:44
it. Sure, go ahead and do your thing, Detroit. That's fair.
43:46
But no. Yeah, Jamari Thrash, I'm just so intrigued with I
43:50
mean, great size for a guy that can play inside, outside, great
43:52
pacing within his routes. He can high point the football. He gets his
43:57
head around on the ball and whether it's a backshit throw or whether it's just
44:00
one that's you know, you got a high point it and get it.
44:05
I thought he had a great week at the senior ball. I'm so intrigued
44:07
by him, and I see stuff like mock draft simulators. He's at like
44:10
pick one, P fifteen or something, and I'm like, I don't think
44:14
he's gonna be there, man, I really to me, the simulators this
44:16
earlier like wild, Like there's dudes that are falling, and someone's like,
44:20
Oh, I can't believe you took so and so this early, when you
44:22
could have just waited till round four and got so and so. I'm like,
44:24
because that's not all the board is gonna fall, like your stimulator is
44:28
wonky, right, Yeah, No, So I like Thrash. Like you
44:32
said, there's so many guys, it's hard to pinpoint which one fits the
44:38
bills because you can probably take five or six guys and be like, yeah,
44:44
they all like, these guys all make sense. So no, not
44:46
the son of James Trash. That was the first thing that I thought of,
44:50
because like, what are the Like, I've never heard of another person
44:52
in life having the last name Thrash. And then I was like, this
44:55
dude is also a wide receiver. It's gotta be, but it wasn't.
44:59
I Also, I keep telling this, I've watched so much USC football because
45:02
I always like stay up late on Saturdays. I'm watching back twelve stuff.
45:06
Well, whatever they are. And now I had no idea Brendan Rice was
45:08
Jerry Rice's kid. You didn't know that it's seenable until the Senior Bowl.
45:15
Eric said it. Eric said it, and like I laughed, and he
45:16
was like no, seriously, And I was like, Jerry Rice is his
45:20
dad, Like I had no idea, Like I had no idea what race
45:23
is his dad? And even him like he's got some fun aspects at his
45:27
size and frame if you want, like a true X type. And even
45:30
again his partner in crime there a bit at usc like yeah, bro,
45:35
like tiny jitterbug do flies And for a guy who's on the smaller end,
45:39
he's running seam routes and he's going up and getting it. He plays like
45:45
he's six to two hundred and fifteen pounds and he is not six to two
45:51
two hundred fifty pounds. He a little guy like and just what he does
45:54
and how he attacks the ball and he's a dude. Oh you want an
45:59
easy like fifteen cards on a tunnel screen or a little bubble cool kick it
46:01
to spit it out to TODJ. Washington real quick. And that's another aspect
46:05
too, like if you're the bills, like cool. Do you get a
46:07
Javon Baker or someone in the second round who offers you more of like a
46:12
true X potential, or again, maybe you go in the first and you
46:15
take Mitchell, or you take Brian Thomas or something like that, and then
46:17
you just want somebody who I don't know as fast as hell. So you're
46:22
like, you know, I'm on peer speed. Let's get TODG. Washington
46:23
or you know, even you like some run after catch mix with speed,
46:27
and you take Malik Washington from Virginia, like there's so many options, yeah,
46:30
and Eli Washington name, yeah, Like there's so many everybody with Washington
46:36
attached to them. So you got Malik Washington, TODJ. Washington. Then
46:39
you've got the three Washington Husky wide receivers, like anybody associated and then even
46:45
I mean Curtis sam was a free agent. Now the three Washington Commander's receivers
46:47
were sick with Samuel and Dotson and Terry McLaurin. Seems like anybody associated with
46:52
the word Washington is sick. Would you like to see Curtis Samuel and Buffalo
46:58
not for what I think he's gonna cost and for how he's probably going to
47:00
be I just think they could go and get a more cost effective option in
47:06
the draft and pair things together with free agency. Again, I like her
47:10
as same one and I like what he brings my thought with anybody for wide
47:14
receiver two. Again is wide receiver two on the depth chart, but at
47:19
best they're going to be touch four. Yeah, and that doesn't even factor
47:22
in Josh Allen running the ball and doing stuff, So technically you're like touch
47:25
five. So I'm not going to pay some I'm not going to pay a
47:29
receiver double digit and verge annual value to be option five or four, depending
47:35
on how you're looking at it in the offense, and especially to if he's
47:37
not the long term solution to a true number one, or if Stefan Diggs
47:43
gets super disgruntled in two years and you got to ship them out and then
47:45
again too. Even with how this draft is like, this wide receiver grouping
47:50
I think is so fun. The combine is going to be awesome to watch
47:52
the wide receivers, just to see the forties and the three cones and get
47:57
official measurables, watch the gauntlet drill, watch them pair with these quarterbacks and
48:00
see how they do downfield and running all the routes that we saw, Like
48:05
I just remember Josh down showing out last year with how he was running his
48:08
stems and individual and everything like that. And I think the combine will do
48:14
some moving and shaking with those day two wide receivers that can get pushed up
48:20
earlier into day two or day one, or get pushed down into the back
48:23
end of day two, because again, there are so many there's so many
48:28
options in this pool that you want to use every type of quantifiable piece you
48:30
can to kind of filter things out. I'm very excited if we really could
48:34
just do like literally probably like a four hour thing just talking about receivers and
48:38
probably talk about like twenty five wide receivers and get into the weeds because they'd
48:44
all be quality. We wouldn't be talking about them just to talk about them.
48:46
Like yeah, man, it's a fun conversation. Also a fun conversation,
48:51
well, depending on how you view it. Defensive tackle another position of
48:54
need for the Oh, I shouldn't even mentioned him, let me stop,
49:00
Charles says, how about rosemy jack Saint day two. He's somebody I texted
49:02
you about. I can't believe I forgot to put him in the lease your
49:06
boy, Marcus Rosemy Jack Saint. I loved him at the scene and love
49:09
I liked him a lot at the Senior Bowl. I like this tape this
49:13
week and he's he's in that lad Maconkee boat where like it's not brock Bauers,
49:19
so you're not seeing like a ton of and Georgia runs the ball a
49:22
ton when they pass it, they go to Bowers and then between injuries.
49:27
For mconkie, he's in and out, but like there's not a ton of
49:30
games where there's like a ton of targets for McConkie. It's the same thing
49:32
with Rosemy jack Saint. But what he does, like the size, the
49:37
physicality, the athleticism. He's got tremendous hands. One hundred and five career
49:40
targets, only two drops. Both of those drops came in twenty twenty one,
49:45
no drops in twenty twenty two, no drops in twenty twenty three.
49:49
He's making off frame catches. He plucks the ball out of the air.
49:52
I have his notes on another page that is not in front I have a
49:57
handwritten notes that aren't in front of me right now, so I'm not reading
49:59
off that, just going off of memory. He's a dude who flashed me
50:01
at the Senior Bowl. He's somebody who I like on day three. He's
50:05
also, like I feel like an ex receiver type that you can get on
50:07
day three use his size and speed and route running like you watch him swipe
50:13
dude's hands on his release. He looks like a defensive lineman turning the arc
50:16
like he's He's got a lot of pieces I like as well. He made
50:20
some tough grabs against Missouri in that Missouri game, Like he has one where
50:24
like Chris Abram's drain is all over him, he comes up with it.
50:27
He makes one catch like over in the middle on like a deep post or
50:30
something like that. Like he man, he just he continued to pop and
50:35
like you mentioned him, and I was like, all right, I gotta
50:37
watch this guy between now in the draft. But I've watched so much Georgia
50:42
stuff from Cedric van Pran the Center, Amarius Mimes, want to want Edwards
50:47
who's my boy? Obviously Maconkey that Bowers like there, I've watched it all
50:53
so much. I'm like, all right, I gotta take a break,
50:55
but I'm gonna get to him. And I'm excited because he is he's lot
51:00
of fun. He's phenomenal. Oh what up, Silas, Silas, I
51:02
haven't seen you in a while here, thank you for being here. Thank
51:05
you for the super chat. And Silas says Satan has some of the best
51:07
hands in traffic. He absolutely does. And I found a bunch of my
51:10
notes for him. He's already he's one of the best blocking receivers in the
51:15
draft. He might be the best one. Very willing blocker, physical and
51:17
effective. And you can have him be an effective blocker in space or attached
51:22
to the formation. You can use him on those kind of like why insert
51:25
type of looks where you can have like you want to run duo and have
51:29
him insert and fit up on the safety or the nickel. Beautiful. You
51:31
want to have him like crack down on an edge real quick too, Like
51:35
he'll do it. He's out there burying like safeties in space that are like
51:38
around two hundred pounds. It's beautiful. He's able to make cuts at full
51:43
speed. He snaps off his routes. Again, I mentioned the hands.
51:45
He's a long strider, but he still has some suddenness to him in his
51:49
brakes even though he is a long strider, not a ton of wiggle or
51:52
you know, juice after the catch. He's not a big like make people
51:55
miss kind of guy. Attacks the DB's and he has a good feel for
52:00
where passing windows are underneath and in the intermediate. And if we wanted to
52:07
look up what his measurables are, I should actually probably pull up the Senior
52:13
Bowl numbers, but I'm just gonna He's listed at six to two, one
52:16
hundred and ninety five pounds, so if he comes in, I think he
52:20
could run I don't know, like a low four to five or a high
52:23
four to four type of forty. If he comes in anywhere like a four
52:25
four eight to a four five to two, I'm cool with that. At
52:29
six foot two almost two hundred pounds now, the Senior Bully checked in at
52:32
six one two oh five with thirty three and eighth inch arms, so not
52:39
bad. He's longer than some guards out there. Let's just put it that
52:43
way. He's he's got longer arms than Jordan Morgan, the offensive tackle potential
52:46
into your offensive lineman from Arizona and I and I like the weight more than
52:52
I do. Give me somebody over six foot I don't care if you're six
52:54
to one and above. I love. Give me your pounds and you move
52:58
like that though, yes, and you lock and your physical it's all right.
53:01
He's a Detroit Lion. It's all good. Stop doing that. If
53:04
anybody wants more on him, literally, just go into Twitter and type pro
53:07
aunt Jack Saint and you're probably gonna see like ten clips from yesterday alone.
53:13
Yeah, he's another dude I can't believe. Thank you so much Charles foro
53:15
mention that, Yeah, he's a dude who I really really like. And
53:17
again he's on day three, Like I think again, maybe he's what we
53:24
think. That's what we think, but he could be. He could be
53:29
the Bills pick in the second round. You don't know, man, Like,
53:31
there's so many I like him late, like just like I originally like
53:36
Javon Baker late, and it reminds me of last year how much I like
53:39
Jonathan Mingo. And then came draft time, it was like, oh,
53:44
he went in the second round, Like he had a good Senior Bowl and
53:46
his size and frame and speed and people were like, nope, we're betting
53:49
on the trades here we go second round. Well, it's the same thing
53:52
with defensive tackles. I now we're going to talk about him here, and
53:53
it's like, you look at Johnny Newton and Byron Murphy. Yeah, those
54:00
two guys I think are the clear cut best interior defensive lineman of the class.
54:04
Yes, and then there's just a drop off, and like, I
54:07
don't think I'm right and I don't think we's Yeah, I don't think we
54:10
see another defensive tackle for probably maybe twenty picks, maybe thirty picks. Who
54:15
is your so as we started to get into this defensive tackle conversation, who
54:20
is your defensive tackle? Three? Like after, so, who's your one?
54:22
Is it Murphy or is a Newton? It's it's close. I mean
54:25
it's we're talking fractions of a point, but it's Newton and then Murphy.
54:30
My problem with Murphy is I think his pad level rises too consistently against double
54:37
teams. I also think he'd I just I think he gets just kind of
54:43
content there. I think playing next to a three hundred and sixty two pound
54:46
defensive tackle and to and Andre Sweat is a big benefit and it got him
54:50
into a lot of one on one situations. They used him situationally, which
54:53
was very odd. I like, if you're as just an absolute dog,
54:58
Like, I feel like you should be out there more than at times like
55:00
they would like they'd be playing. Let's say Alabama, and Alabama would be
55:05
driving down the field and Murphy's not on the field, and then all of
55:07
a sudden, they get into the red zone and Murphy's not on the field.
55:10
And I get why, like teams do that. But and I understand
55:14
he's gonna, he's gonna he's gonna blow the doors off the combine in the
55:16
next couple of days. He's gonna test really well at six one, three
55:20
oh eight. Heu Senior Bowl literally the night before first practice because he probably
55:23
got win that he's going in the top twenty or top half of the first
55:27
round. Yeah, And like his game is very similar to guys that we
55:31
see in the NFL, like quick hands like Kenny Clark, and he's able
55:36
to fight pressure with pressure. But combo blocks double teams, playing next to
55:40
a three hundred and sixty two pound tackle. It's just it. I just
55:45
worry about that. But again, I still really like him. Johnny Newton
55:47
playing through injury, always on the go, so explosive. He's the fact
55:53
that he that tape that like him against Wisconsin was a just he balled out
56:00
the whole game, and he did it on a fractured foot. He had
56:02
a Jones fracture in his foot. Yeah, and he's out there ghosting anybody
56:07
and everybody along the entire offensive line. Yeah, and I think he's gonna
56:12
go down the board a little bit. I think, you know again he
56:15
I think he's going to be very much in play for Buffalo and Detroit.
56:17
And I mentioned him because we're not We're right after each other on the draft
56:21
board, and it's no secret on the Lions guys. So like I think
56:24
either I think either one makes a lot of sense for us. The next
56:31
guy had, Oh how do you have him? And I know you got
56:35
to get loved to Silas real quick too. I did. Yeah, I
56:37
pulled up this. I was gonna say size, I haven't gotten into Zacari
56:40
Franklin yet with how deep that wide recis rescue. Plus, he didn't have
56:45
anything. I want to feel like he only but I was banged up in
56:50
twenty twenty three. I let me pull up my notes. I think had
56:52
four games in twenty twenty three, eight total targets. Yeah, he played
56:58
against Bama, LSU, and Auburn, but only eight targets amongst everything in
57:02
those games. I'd have to go back and yeah, see his uh Texas
57:07
san Antonio stuff from twenty twenty two and twenty twenty one. Just haven't gotten
57:10
to him to that point, but awesome. Dam to bring up Silas is
57:13
always like trying like these obscure like pieces that he loves, and actually a
57:19
bunch of them have hit. Yeah, so hamstring, Yeah, fair enough,
57:21
fair enough, but we will get to him at some point. So
57:22
I was like, again, I appreciate the super chat and you being here.
57:25
The defensive tackle conversation is tough, Mike. The reason I have Murphy
57:30
ahead of Newton is I think there's more positional versatility, Like I think he
57:36
can three tech and he can one tech, whereas Newton I feel like I
57:40
really just want him as a three tech more so than I want him banging.
57:45
You know what's weird too, Like he's listed at two ninety five,
57:50
but he looks like he weighs three zero five or like three ten, Like
57:53
I would have never thought he was sub three hundred watching how big he is
57:58
on tape, But I've really didn't think. I posted like the first my
58:02
first clip of Newton and somebody commented and was like, oh, man,
58:07
like who do you have, like Newton or Murphy number one? And I
58:08
was like, well, I've just started Newton, so I can't comment.
58:12
And I was like, but it's gonna be really hard for someone to,
58:14
you know, surpass Byron Murphy for me. And here I am thinking that
58:17
Newton like could do it just with what he does, like the violence in
58:22
the hands, the pop in those hands, like everything he has, the
58:27
swim, move, the swipe, chop into the rip like you can also
58:30
depending on two if like you're an odd front team, like you want to
58:31
play him in a four I I really really like that. And with his
58:36
quickness and lateral agility and explosion on the snap, the games that you can
58:40
play with run stunts and all these different aspects, like he can jump two
58:45
gaps in an instant just because of the lateral agility and explosion that he has,
58:49
let alone the hand usage. He's violent. He's mean, he's nasty.
58:52
When I say violent, I mean like the pop and the quickness in
58:57
his hands when he swims or when he swipes, but also violent with how
59:00
he lays quarterbacks the f out, like he puts them in the dirt and
59:07
you know, he bangs, he gums up, the works against the run.
59:08
Just I like so much of what Newton does. Both of them have
59:13
first round grades for me with what they can do, and I I probably
59:16
will flip thop a ton on both of them, thinking who's like one versus
59:21
who's two. They might get into like a one A one B situation for
59:24
me, like Cam Kitchens and Tyler Nub and it's safety. Yeah, it's
59:28
almost like you have to tear those ones off, and absolutely they are in
59:31
their own and it's such a shame too because they're both so good. And
59:36
then I find myself there's other guys who I like later, like Tyler Davis
59:39
flashes a bit for me, and I like Dwayne Carter a bit and something.
59:43
And then I'm like, and Chris Jenkins sometimes does some good stuff,
59:45
but there's nobody who I'm like, Oh, I like some of the things
59:49
that Brayden Fist does. And then I also watch Braiden Fist get blown off
59:52
the ball, and then I'm like, okay, like there's there's really a
59:55
huge gap between those two and literally, like everyone else, yep, I
1:00:00
will say TP made a comment there, uh, save On Williams TCU fun
1:00:05
late round pick. Yes, absolutely killed it at the Shrine Bowl. And
1:00:08
there's a clip I'm trying. I thought I posted it, so I searched.
1:00:13
I can't find it, but there's a clip of him literally hurtling a
1:00:17
dude. It is insanity because he's six four, like two ten and he
1:00:22
catches the ball and he's just I'm trying to remember who they played. It's
1:00:27
TCU against it like Baylor maybe, and he's flying down the field and he
1:00:34
just hurtles somebody and I'm like, whoa, who is this guy? I
1:00:36
was watching Jared Wiley for the Senior Bowl. Ran Williams just kept popping.
1:00:39
I'm like, who is this guy? And then I'm watching him Moni Bailey
1:00:43
and I keep seeing save on Williams. So uh but yeah, no,
1:00:45
I think I think those guys are are definitely in a tier on their own
1:00:49
with uh Newton and Murphy and yeah, I'm with you. There's a drop
1:00:53
off. And I like Braden Fisk a lot, but the short short arms
1:00:58
thing worries me a little bit. Sub three hundred pounds worries me a little
1:01:01
bit. Solomon Thomas has me scarred for life. He was two thirty six,
1:01:07
and I just I just struggle with guys like that. But I do
1:01:10
think Brandon Fisk is fast enough to play as like a four eye five.
1:01:15
But I just I don't know if he's long. I don't know if he's
1:01:20
long enough. I think I like him as a rotational like three tech for
1:01:23
anybody, even for the bills, Like you're gonna run a four to three
1:01:25
over front? Cool, Yeah, he's he's your third dude, he's your
1:01:30
second three tech. He looks like Eric. You know, we were calling
1:01:31
him baby Kyle Williams. Uh, that's a perfect way to see and that.
1:01:37
But again, I think that's also his upside. Like I think again,
1:01:40
and Kyle Williams became like an All Pro defensive tackle, like but he
1:01:44
was. He very much like bucked the trend in a lot of ways,
1:01:47
and I think it's just hard to ask somebody to do that or expect somebody
1:01:52
to do that. Plus I also I don't know his age, but he's
1:01:54
a bit older because he was a sixth year senior I believe this year at
1:01:58
Florida State. Because he was a ansfer. Yeah, he played at Western
1:02:01
Michigan, Western Michigan, Yes, Yes, yes, yes, yes,
1:02:04
that's where I was staying. I knew it was a team with a horse
1:02:07
logo, and I was like, what team is it? Yeah? Yeah,
1:02:09
I was confused. All the westerns Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Eastern
1:02:13
Michigan. There's too many that Michigan state, that Michigan. There's so many.
1:02:16
Yeah, but again him, Like I like Fisk, but I like
1:02:21
him and it's like, oh cool, Like what is he going to be?
1:02:22
It's like rotational three tech right like and I and I was really hoping
1:02:29
I watched Chris Jenkins. I was really hoping I would like more one tech
1:02:32
aspects to his game. I think that's even part of it too, right,
1:02:36
Like it's hard to find a good one tech. I feel like in
1:02:38
this class it's like limited if you're looking at that, all these guys are
1:02:43
like three techs and they're usually siloed. Like this guy's a three tech and
1:02:47
it's a really good pass rusher. This one is a really good run defender
1:02:52
and can't pass rush worth a lick. I Marcus Harris from Auburn is another
1:02:57
Like I liked him at the Senior Bowl a bit I didn't I love him
1:03:00
on tape as much as I wanted to. But he gives you some piece,
1:03:04
but again he's more of a three tech piece. Sila's come in and
1:03:08
saying Christian boyd Yeah, from university in Northern Iowa. Like it's just there's
1:03:14
so I haven't seen guys. I feel like in so long in a defensive
1:03:16
tackle class that we're so siloed. Like usually it's like, well, you
1:03:20
know you can do a little of this, or well the upside for this.
1:03:22
It just feels like a lot of these guys are just silo and roll
1:03:27
specific on the interior, and it scares me. Like, if I'm the
1:03:30
Bills, I am prioritized with how this draft is. I'm prioritizing defensive tackle
1:03:36
in free agency, Like you better bring back Dayikwon Jones or go out and
1:03:39
get yourself Sheldon Rankins, or bring in you know, A'shawn Robinson or Malcolm
1:03:44
Roach or whoever, because you're probably getting a rotational guy in the draft because
1:03:50
Birol Murphy is not going to fall to you, and even if Newton is
1:03:52
there, you have positional redundancy with Ed Oliver. And part of me just
1:03:57
wants to throw caution to the win and say screw it just draft good football
1:04:00
players and take Johnny Newton and worry about this schematic fit later. But you're
1:04:03
not using him to his full potential if you're trying to play him at a
1:04:06
one text, So it doesn't really make sense. Like I feel like,
1:04:10
at best, the Bills are coming out of this draft with a rotational defensive
1:04:13
tackle based on how the class is, based on how the board's looking like
1:04:16
it's it's not rough, but it's just it's so siloed in terms of usage
1:04:20
and frame. Yeah, well, McKinley Jackson is a guy from Mississippi State.
1:04:27
I wanted to like him more though I didn't same same dude well at
1:04:30
the Senior Bowl and on tape, Like I just I because I feel like
1:04:34
the one text in the upper tiers it's like, oh sweat and then McKinley
1:04:40
and I'm like, I wanted to like his tape so bad and I just
1:04:43
but he's so on and off, like there's a play Like there's plays where
1:04:46
he's hitting an explosive first step with a great swim move he's not getting reached,
1:04:51
and then there's times where he's getting completely washed out of the play.
1:04:55
He's turning his shoulders. But I mean there's there's stuff to like. At
1:04:59
six won three hundred and thirty pounds. The arm length is there. I
1:05:02
think he can play as a one as zero shade even a little to why.
1:05:08
I think the pass rush motor is good enough. I think, you
1:05:11
know, again, the explosive first step is there. But he was banged
1:05:15
up in twenty twenty two. He had a drug charge in twenty twenty one.
1:05:18
Not great. I think there's some concerns. So I just don't know
1:05:23
what to do with him. And I'm with you, you know, Tyler
1:05:25
Davis is another one, great first step when he wants to turn it on.
1:05:29
But you just there's so much that falls off there, and I think
1:05:33
you get into a lot more with just guys and that's pretty much it,
1:05:39
and even and even within like Davis, and I'm just gonna say Ruke because
1:05:45
I have I can't pronounce his last. Even with them from Clemson, they
1:05:48
do so many games up front, They're always running like twists and stunts every
1:05:54
like, there's so little reps of just like come off the ball and let
1:06:00
me see if you can show some pass Russ moves against a guard or a
1:06:02
tackle or center like everything is like two and three man games. It is
1:06:08
we're gonna stunt both tackles and we're gonna loop around the edge, or we're
1:06:11
gonna we're putting trotter and bear it in the a gaps. We're gonna do
1:06:15
this game and do this blitz and do this stunt. It's so hard to
1:06:17
just get like a true read a lot of why, Like Tyler Davis was
1:06:21
just the motor and the hustle and the energy from the Senior Bowl, Like
1:06:26
he was running down running backs fifteen yards down field, like constantly getting after
1:06:30
it. There was popping juice off the snap. So it was a cool
1:06:33
let me go into the tape and every game it's just all these stunts and
1:06:38
games, which is fun, but you don't really get to see him do
1:06:42
much because like he's lined up as a one tack or like as a two
1:06:45
I and then he's looping around and occupy the right tackle or something. But
1:06:48
he's just there to like dance like and be a distraction. So he's not
1:06:53
doing anything, So you're not getting any value out of the evaluation. Yep.
1:06:57
No, And I think you get into some guys that they did just
1:07:00
kind of play gap and they, you know, are are playing gap control
1:07:03
and they're they're focused on trying to stop the run, and then there's no
1:07:06
real pass rush value. There's just there's so much up and down with this
1:07:11
group. But like the way I have it, after the top two guys,
1:07:15
it's it's to Andre Sweat. I mean, there's just so much to
1:07:19
like with his game that size three sixty three sixty two to move that way,
1:07:26
I mean, it's just different. Do you think stay do you think
1:07:29
he drops a little? Do you think he bumped tried they like some team
1:07:31
tries to bump him down to like three fifties or high or like that.
1:07:34
Yeah, one hundred percent, And I think they can. I mean I
1:07:39
really think they can do that because he moves so well and you're not.
1:07:44
I don't think you're gonna lose any of like the power or strength of his
1:07:46
game. But he's gonna draw so much attention. I would love to see
1:07:50
him in a place like Detroit because it would free up Alee McNeil Aiden Hutchinson.
1:07:56
But again, I like even if he went to Buffalo, like,
1:08:00
he would free up at Oliver so much as a three tech and obviously like
1:08:05
Greg russo, Like there would be so much that you could do with him
1:08:10
and just that whole front. And I think he provides versatility for you because
1:08:14
he could bump out the play a three if you wanted him to, and
1:08:17
he would essentially just clog up that b gap and you'd you'd probably have to
1:08:21
have a tackle come down and collapse, and that would free up a potential
1:08:26
blitz up the middle. Uh with with with you know, some type of
1:08:29
linebacker maybe that you know. Again, I don't know if linebacker is going
1:08:32
to be a position of need in the first round or even in position of
1:08:35
need that they look at. I will say, and I probably should say
1:08:41
this for the end of the show, but Edrin Cooper from Texas A and
1:08:44
M I think would be a absolute blast in the Bills defense. He would
1:08:48
be a He's so fun to watch, like the speed at which he moves
1:08:53
and processes and triggers and like you can blitz them. I expected it,
1:08:59
but yeah, like you know what's funny too, somebody mocked him to the
1:09:01
Bills in the second round and everybody like hate it. There No, no,
1:09:06
he I think he's linebacker one. And I say, this is a
1:09:10
person like I like some of the things that Trotter does. But I just
1:09:12
think Cooper is linebacker one with the versatility and just what he does, Like
1:09:16
he plays fast, he's he's angry, like when he has the opportunity to
1:09:19
finish someone, he finishes up a couple of times. He killed Milroe.
1:09:26
And then even in oh in that Bama game, they run I think it's
1:09:32
just power because I think it's a pulling guard and he diagnoses the pulling guard
1:09:35
and slips underneath him and then just like picks up Jase McClellan and dumps him
1:09:41
like right in the a gap. The way he dips his shoulders and he
1:09:45
just he's so fluid and so he's so twitched up and explosive like with his
1:09:49
movements, and he's got good eyes and he reads. Yeah, I think
1:09:51
he's fun for like or I would love to see him like go to Baltimore
1:09:57
as like a replacement for Patrick Queen, even though like I liked and Simpson,
1:10:00
Like just I want him to go to some team that's gonna be like
1:10:02
we're gonna move you all over and just let you run real fast and hit
1:10:05
everything that moves. Yeah. Yeah, there's so many like fun options.
1:10:10
I wish there was. I wish I felt Granted, he's at the top
1:10:13
of the linebacker class, but yeah, I just wish I felt more excited
1:10:16
about the defensive tackle grouping, like after the top two, like Sweat,
1:10:21
I do, Like, you know, he had a good Senior Bowl week
1:10:24
and there's some pass Russ reps where he busts out a quick arm over a
1:10:27
swim move and he wins instantaneously, like he he plays how I hoped Siaki
1:10:32
Eca was gonna play last year for Bailey. Ego was somebody who was like
1:10:39
a dancing bear with how fluid he was, and I love that, But
1:10:42
then you'd watch him try to take on a double team or anchor and he
1:10:45
just did not have the heaviness in his lower body and he's getting knocked around.
1:10:48
Sweat is what I wanted Ego to be, like a true plug in
1:10:53
the interior. But he does offer a little bit of juice. It's just
1:10:57
gonna be interesting to see, Like, Yeah, what do team see him
1:11:00
as? Can you knock down his weight enough? Do you think he can
1:11:01
live on three downs? How much is he like just an early one and
1:11:04
two down type of player? What does that value do and again I think
1:11:08
he's even a good representation of that defensive tackle class because it's it's so it's
1:11:15
just so silared. You have to have so many conversations, and there were
1:11:17
so many guys who I wanted to like, like I wanted to like Brandon
1:11:20
Dorles from Oregon. I like some of the things that Michael Hall does from
1:11:26
Ohio State. But I mean he's gonna he's like two hundred and eighty pounds,
1:11:30
Like there's only so much you can do with him. Again siloed and
1:11:34
yeah, he said that was again I think he's six two two eighty,
1:11:38
Like that's that's tiny, Like that's that's ed Oliver kind of tiny and like
1:11:44
al and ed Oliver is an outlier like and I even say this is somebody
1:11:47
who I banged the table for Elijah Cantsey last year. Like it's just you
1:11:51
have to be a stud with your hands and block recognition and block deconstruction and
1:11:57
leverage and power and pop. So many things have to go right in your
1:12:00
game to win it. That size again, so he's probably like a rotational
1:12:03
player, but it just get it gets so muddy and scary with the defensive
1:12:09
tackle class when you go down like I wanted to like Jordan Jefferson more than
1:12:13
I did. I haven't watched Stackhouse from Georgia, even though I watched a
1:12:15
bunch of Georgia defense tape. It's been all defensive back related. I shouldn't
1:12:18
say defensive back. It's I've been all safety related with Bullert and Tyke Smith.
1:12:23
But man, they should. They should just go out and sign Justin
1:12:29
Jones, the defensive tackle from Chicago. I didn't like his tape. Oh
1:12:34
well, I did when he was coming out. I haven't watched his bear
1:12:38
stape, So if you've watched, I watched, and granted I only sample
1:12:42
size a small and only watched one game. I watched the game against Washington.
1:12:46
I watched him for like some free agent stuff we were prepping last week,
1:12:49
and I remember I remember the name and the tape coming out. I
1:12:53
saw the production and I was like, oh okay, and I just didn't
1:12:57
like him. I mean again, I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him,
1:12:59
but he wasn't somebody who I liked. Yes, that's what I mean.
1:13:03
That's what I'm saying. Though, you bring in a guy like that
1:13:05
on a cheap one or two year deal, you draft one of these defensive
1:13:09
tackles we're talking about. Obviously with Ed Oliver into the mix, I think
1:13:13
you're kind of cooking with something there, cooking with gas. Maybe cooking with
1:13:16
gas. Yes, because I don't know. Again, we've taught, we
1:13:19
hit so many names here, I don't know which one they get if if
1:13:24
this is going to be a serious need for them, which one are they
1:13:27
going to get that's going to really contribute and take some pressure off of the
1:13:31
interior parts of the defensive line. I don't know. You're not going to
1:13:35
get it consistently. You're gonna have to get it on a rotational basis.
1:13:40
And then like even again, somebody who like I I like what Dwayne Carter
1:13:44
did at the Senior Bowl, Like I haven't like this tape as much as
1:13:47
I liked him at the Senior Bowl. But okay too, Like I'm happy
1:13:51
with him coming, but again, what is what's he doing? Like someone
1:13:54
would be like, oh, why are you excited for this guy? I'm
1:13:55
like, what, Because he's a rotational three tech? Yeah right, that's
1:13:59
what Like, that's you're living in if you're not getting Murphy again, Newton
1:14:02
has positional redundancy, but if you're not getting Murphy and you're not getting Newton,
1:14:08
you're probably not getting a starting defensive tackle. You know what, I'll
1:14:11
throw Sweat into that mix too, because I think Sweat can be like a
1:14:13
starting wintech for somebody. So if you're not getting but there's a far gap
1:14:15
between the top two and Sweat, no disrespect to Sweat. It's just that
1:14:19
Newton and Taylor or Murphy are so good. And I did want to bring
1:14:25
up this one, Charles, I know, even banging the drum forum.
1:14:27
Leonard Taylor. I'm a big Miami guy. I just watched him get blown
1:14:31
off the ball so much, especially against double teams. He's got a very
1:14:35
narrow base. He gets hit, a guard will engage him and a center
1:14:43
will feed him, block him and just knock him like four gaps outside and
1:14:47
just he goes flying. He doesn't have the sand in his lower half to
1:14:53
withstand things inside and even juice going forward like for what he was two years
1:14:58
ago. I thought he should have dominated more on their interior this year,
1:15:01
and instead it was Ruben Bain being nasty every single week for Miami, and
1:15:06
I had to keep being like, is Taylor playing this week? Is Taylor
1:15:10
playing like again, it's fine to take a fly or maybe you tap into
1:15:13
something, but he's not somebody who I enjoyed watching this year. And then
1:15:16
even in watching like a ton of Cam Kitchens and James Williams tape, I'm
1:15:21
like, oh, who's on the ground. Oh it's Leonard Taylor. Yeah,
1:15:25
or he just completely disappears, like he just gets very complacent and it's
1:15:29
just fine with being out there and to me, like you're playing in the
1:15:32
trenches, you gotta pop every now and again, Like you don't always have
1:15:35
to get the football for me or get there, but at least come up
1:15:39
the works. Just do something that makes life hard for an opponent, Like
1:15:45
that's that's fine for me. Like, just make it difficult for it,
1:15:49
that's all I want, and he doesn't do it. I did see a
1:15:51
comment about Christian Boyd out of Northern Iowa. I know he blew up the
1:15:56
Shrine Bowl, and I heard a lot of positive things about him before that.
1:16:00
Of course, it's Silas. Silas is the man, but I don't,
1:16:03
uh, I don't. I haven't watched his tape, so I can't
1:16:06
sit here and say anything positive. He could easily become a third or fourth
1:16:11
rank defensive tackle in this class. Uh if if the tape matches, I
1:16:15
mean again, it always no disrespect to him, says a lot about the
1:16:17
class. Correct, correct, And I think that's the thing. And and
1:16:21
again, you know, could he have a Kaylin Saunders type rise in the
1:16:26
draft that he who knows you know, you don't. You don't know what
1:16:28
you're gonna get until obviously later this week, and more tape continues to come
1:16:31
out. So I thought, I I thought this class was going to be
1:16:35
better, and then you get into the measurables and you're just like, dude,
1:16:40
I don't know, I don't know what to do with these guys.
1:16:42
I just don't know what to do with some of them because of the size,
1:16:45
lack of length, weight issues, lack of positional versatility, usage usage
1:16:51
at the college level. Like, one thing I've learned over time is just
1:16:57
how asinine some coaches are inledge with what sad it is the dumbest thing in
1:17:05
the world. As somebody who we're gonna get into, I'm sure for our
1:17:08
edge conversation into that mix, you know Canton's own. There's there's so much
1:17:15
usage stuff where yeah, like I would see somebody or how they were playing
1:17:18
at the Senior Bowl, or I'm looking at you know guys that I'm seeing
1:17:21
size and frame and I'm like, all right, sweet, you know,
1:17:24
and they're listed as a defensive tackle and I'm like, sweet, let's see
1:17:27
what we got. And then it's like, oh, they're they're playing as
1:17:30
a four eye in the stack all the time, or they're playing only as
1:17:33
like a shade in the stack all the time, and they're not built for
1:17:39
it. It's the the Will McDonald conversation from last year from Iowa State,
1:17:44
like this skinny look like a wide receiver playing defensive end with these past rush
1:17:47
ability and all this juice. He's in a four eye all the time,
1:17:51
playing in the stack like it's and i Away States done that for forever.
1:17:57
But yeah, it's actually, you know, and it's just thinking, you
1:18:00
lose a year of development by doing that, because the guy's got to come
1:18:04
in and play a five, a six, he's got to play a new
1:18:08
position, learning in the NFL on the fly, on the fly, and
1:18:14
you lose that year and then all of a sudden, now there's this pressure
1:18:16
from the team, from the media for him to take a step, another
1:18:20
step forward and like you're just you're not setting these guys up for success.
1:18:26
It's the same thing with like quarterbacks and the helmet communication, why are we
1:18:30
not there yet? Like what are we doing? Do you know? That's
1:18:32
what they're gonna deal with in the NFL It's twenty twenty four, nineteen sixty
1:18:38
one everybody, cause has the giant boards with all these difference. We've got
1:18:41
giant boards and you got the quarterbacks wearing like multi colored jerseys because they're doing
1:18:46
this. Just put a freaking earpiece in their helmet and say like, yeah,
1:18:51
play four on your wristband exactly and be done with it. Do a
1:18:56
ten second thing and be done with it. Fighter Why two banana? Right?
1:19:00
It's just it's nonsense. What's going on? So? Yeah, no,
1:19:02
I don't know defensive tackle class. It's it's underwhelming, very underwhelming.
1:19:08
It's like I I want to I don't want to say it's like the tight
1:19:11
end position because the tight end position is just outside of the top two.
1:19:15
It's just trash. I like this to not from Kansas State, not as
1:19:17
like a top tier stud but I liked them last year when I was watching
1:19:20
Bbie. Yeah, and I like them. This year. But again I'm
1:19:23
not looking at him to be like, man, this dude is the first
1:19:25
round tight end. Yeah, and again watch now, there'll be like six
1:19:28
guys that are coming out and they're all pros and all this stuff at the
1:19:30
position. But yeah, it just it's not a deep class at tight end
1:19:34
and defensive tackle. I think you there's there's some value and some some deep
1:19:39
players, but again it's just underwhelming every time you put on the tape.
1:19:42
I agree, But position grouping that has a little more excitement and more juice
1:19:46
to it the edge grouping. M M, I'm sure. Well, you
1:19:51
know, I want to foreshadow too much, but Russ, who is someone
1:19:56
that you think the And I feel like this is like probably gonna have the
1:20:00
same answer initially from like a top tier perspective, but like, who is
1:20:02
someone that plays edge that you think could really help their draft stock come combined
1:20:10
time? And if it's the person I think, I think this person is
1:20:12
a sneaky pick at twenty eight for the Buffalo Bills. So who is that
1:20:17
person potentially for That would be Darius Robinson out of Missouri. Yeah, he
1:20:23
did from my neck of the woods. Went to the same high school campus
1:20:27
that I went to he went to Canton High School, which it's like a
1:20:32
I don't know, like a twenty acre campus or whatever it is. And
1:20:35
there's three schools. There's Plymouth, there's Salemon, there's Canton, and he
1:20:41
went to Canton. And it's the weirdest dynamic, but it's it sets you
1:20:45
up for the future. I guess I don't know, but no, he
1:20:49
super long, great, like just overall build, yoked up out of his
1:20:55
mind. Played and we mentioned the three three five stack. He played in
1:20:58
that just so he's always out of position. But he has a great long
1:21:03
arm. He can definitely, you know, transition speed to power. He's
1:21:09
probably more power than speed. But he's one of those guys that he's got
1:21:13
a nice arm over move. He can swim with that. And then you
1:21:16
know, obviously just some of the club stuff that he has or swipe move
1:21:19
that he has. I like the skill set with him. My biggest issue
1:21:25
is just the overall speed. Is it going to be fast enough to get
1:21:28
to the quarterback consistently change a direction for me to speed and change a direction.
1:21:32
Yeah, I just worry about that stuff. But again, I think
1:21:35
he's a I think he's a good player. And I think he's worthy of
1:21:39
the conversation in the first round on the back end there. Testing will be
1:21:43
huge for him this week, and if he tests well, I think we'll
1:21:45
we'll see him as probably a solidified first round pick. He came into the
1:21:50
Senior Bowl and measured six foot five, two hundred and eighty six pounds,
1:21:55
thirty four and six eight inch arms, so basically has thirty five inch arms
1:21:59
at six eighty six. And the way he plays off the edge again with
1:22:04
playing in that stack, he's mainly in like a four or four eye and
1:22:06
then he gets some reps at five. But he is he is pure,
1:22:11
Like if you wanted to look up pocket compression in the dictionary, it would
1:22:15
be Darius Robinson, just with how yoked up he is. Like he's got
1:22:19
long arms again with almost thirty five inch arms, but they're thick like he
1:22:24
is. Literally just put him in a wider alignment, let him come downhill
1:22:29
on an angle, and just tell him, bro, just extend your arms
1:22:32
and drive dudes into the backfield. Like when he gets both hands on you,
1:22:35
like those hands, he's got good hand placement, but there's pop in
1:22:40
those hands and then he extends them to shed versus the run and even get
1:22:43
into the backfield. Like again, I don't think I want to see his
1:22:46
change of direction numbers and his spin numbers. And this is somebody who I
1:22:50
think if he tests well, it bumps him big time into the first novels
1:22:57
iteration for a bunch of teams, but especially and specifically the Buffalo Bills,
1:23:00
because he fits their archetype. In turn, they love bigger frame dudes like
1:23:05
they want. Von Miller is an outlier for Edge. Leonard Floyd for them
1:23:10
is an outlier Edge. They want pocket compression dudes. They want the Greg
1:23:14
Russos. They want big body, big frame type of dudes. You don't
1:23:17
have to have a bunch of moves or bend or athleticism or juice. They're
1:23:20
not looking for turn. You know, run the arc and dip underneath and
1:23:25
ghost move and all the ghost rush and all that kind of stuff. They
1:23:28
want you to run through somebody's chest, defend the run, and compress the
1:23:31
pocket at all costs. And that is literally Darius Robinson in a bottle.
1:23:36
And if he has a horrible combine, I think he stays in the second
1:23:40
round. And I don't think he slips all the way to sixty, but
1:23:42
maybe potentially does, but with his frame and how impressive he looks, also
1:23:46
considering he goes kind of playing quote unquote out of position at Missouri. If
1:23:50
he tests well, I think he becomes a strong, strong, strong candidate
1:23:55
for the Bills of twenty eight, given their need on the defensive line and
1:23:59
given how much of an archetype fit he is for that that spot for the
1:24:01
Bills. But again, even not just for the Bills, He's gonna be
1:24:04
on a lot of dudes radar like as far as teams like anybody who needs
1:24:08
an edge presence like or even two. I don't know. Maybe there are
1:24:11
some three four teams out there that think, you know, we're gonna put
1:24:14
him at three four end because we see how physical he is and how thick
1:24:16
he is, and with his long arms, maybe we think we can get
1:24:19
him up to like two ninety or above that we're gonna add on to him.
1:24:23
We're not going to play to speed, We're gonna play to the strength
1:24:26
and the physicality and the thickness and add on that way. I think he's
1:24:29
got a lot of things that teams will like, and if he tests well,
1:24:32
given how he looks, and how he's built. It could be really
1:24:35
interesting with Darius Robinson one hundred percent. I and again, I think he
1:24:40
could go even earlier than twenty eight. I think Arizona's very intriguing. I
1:24:45
think Green Bay's intriguing. He had a Senior Bowl too. And if he
1:24:49
adds on top of that with like a good combine with how he's gonna show
1:24:53
up like yeah, man, Like I could see him being that name that's
1:24:57
like goes, yeah, goes in the top twenty and everybody's like really and
1:25:00
it's like, yeah, well, the combine he had is nuts or it's
1:25:02
that it's that dark horse name that everybody's throwing out like a week before the
1:25:05
draft because he crushed the combine. Yeah, nope. And if again,
1:25:10
if he's off the board, I think, you know, I don't know.
1:25:13
I don't think the Bills will get fortunate enough that Jared Verse or a
1:25:16
lot too will fall to them. It's possible, I doubt it. I
1:25:23
don't think Dallas Turner. I think Dallas Turner is the best defensive player in
1:25:27
the draft, so oh h yeah, no, I do. It's close.
1:25:32
I also want him to go to somebody who like he's so athletic,
1:25:35
like you can drop him into space and do a couple like fun things.
1:25:39
And granted the Bills could do that with like a simulated pressure or a creeper,
1:25:42
but like I want him to go to more of like a three four
1:25:45
based team where you can rush him off the edge, but you could do
1:25:47
some fun things with him because he's got a really fun like he's I don't
1:25:50
think he's the complete I don't think he's as dominant of a pass rusher as
1:25:55
Will Anderson, but he's more athletic than Will Anderson. And you can do
1:25:57
a lot of fun things with Dallas Turner. And I think the thing with
1:26:01
him is like I think of like Minnesota, depending on what they do with
1:26:04
quarterback. If Kirk Cousins is their guy and they continue to move forward with
1:26:09
him, they move on from Danil Hunter or whatever they're going to do there,
1:26:14
you know, do they bring uh, do they bring in a player
1:26:15
like Dallas Turner for Brian Flores. I think it would be great and that
1:26:19
sick. Yeah, I think that would be a great spot for him.
1:26:24
So obviously we'll kind of see what what ends up happening there. But like
1:26:28
again, you get away from those three guys get away from Darius. You
1:26:31
know, does Chop Robinson fall into the mix. I'm not a big Chop
1:26:34
Robinson guy. Like I say, there were a couple of questions that came
1:26:38
in saying Darius or Chop, and then you know this comment he's saying,
1:26:42
I don't like Chop Robinson one bit. Yeah. He I'll let you speak
1:26:45
on him first. I just I felt he's got a really great get off,
1:26:48
like not to steal your thunder like that get off is awesome. I
1:26:51
posted a clip today where he he the ball is snapped and he's basically passed
1:26:56
the right tackle before the ball is at the quarterback's hands. But he did
1:27:00
it against Michigan State. No, it was against Rutgers, Okay, But
1:27:04
he's got to he's got to rep like that against Michigan. He's got to
1:27:08
rep like that against Michigan State. He's got to rep like that against Rutgers.
1:27:11
Like that's his like go to thing. But I just find myself wanting
1:27:14
from like a moves perspective or like a motor perspective, like I know,
1:27:17
and some people like him. Some people think like, oh man, you
1:27:20
can put him in an odd front or put him in a wide nine even
1:27:23
front and some like cool stuff that you can do and like have him just
1:27:26
come screaming off the edge in a wide nine. I just I don't know,
1:27:30
like, I just I just felt myself like watching him be and like
1:27:32
eh but not really being happy. Yeah no, I mean, well,
1:27:35
Cleveland doesn't have a first round pick, so he's not going there because that's
1:27:39
where the wide nine is with Jim Schwartz. So yeah, I mean,
1:27:42
look, I don't know. I'm not a big fan of him, you
1:27:45
know, kind of a spoiler for everybody. He's forty third on my board.
1:27:48
I'm just I'm not I wouldn't hate it. I don't love him as
1:27:54
a player. I wouldn't hate it if the Bills took him at sixty,
1:27:57
depending on how things went, but I wouldn't still don't love it. I
1:28:00
also don't think from a Bills perspective, I don't think he's an archetype fit.
1:28:04
I just I just don't know how we talked about I don't know how
1:28:09
he wins consistently in the NFL, Like are you just gonna rely on getoff?
1:28:13
Yeah? And that's the thing, like, like I the first sentence
1:28:15
I have on his strengths is violent disruptor that gets up feel in a hurry
1:28:19
due to his explosive first step, effective rip move. His rit move is
1:28:24
great, but like that's the most traditional basic pass rush move that there is.
1:28:30
I've seen a swipe. I've seen a swipe a couple of times as
1:28:32
he turns the arc and bends a little bit. Yeah, Like, but
1:28:35
he doesn't turn his shoulders against the run too often or he turns excuse me,
1:28:41
he turns his shoulders against the run too often, struggles to get home
1:28:44
on his pass rush. He has limited counter moves in his pass rush.
1:28:47
He rarely fights pressure with pressure, and like, for me, like he's
1:28:53
such an intriguing player because there's so much potential. He has the tools and
1:28:56
the athletic ability and that like that trans to being an effective three down player
1:29:01
in the NFL. But much of his success is going to be determined and
1:29:05
if he can get home against the pass and and do that more consistently,
1:29:10
and then if he can get stronger against the run, and he's gonna probably
1:29:14
check in at like a sub two point fifty in a couple of days,
1:29:17
which is also like not a concern, but like that's not kinda is kinda
1:29:23
is like there's only so much he can add to his frame, like he's
1:29:28
he kind of looks maxed out already, and right, I just like I
1:29:32
see stuff where people are like, yeah, he's like a five, top
1:29:35
five, top ten player in the draft. I'm like, there's no way,
1:29:38
Like you are the same people that said Trayvon Walker was the best player
1:29:41
in the draft, and you only said that because you knew he was going
1:29:44
as the number one overall pick, Like, and he was not the best
1:29:46
player in that draft, Like there was no way in hell he was better
1:29:49
than Keevon Thibodeau, Sauce Gardner, A Hudson, There's no f in way.
1:29:54
And the same thing with Chop Robinson. He's not better than Malik Neighbors,
1:30:00
Marvin Harrison, Caleb Williams, Joe all Brock, Bauers. He's not
1:30:02
better than Talis Vuaga Olufashanu. He's not better than Roma Dunes, Like he's
1:30:09
not better than those guys. Like I went down the listen, Like every
1:30:12
time I went down it, I was like, he's not better than this
1:30:14
guy, this guy. And then I did the grain and I was like,
1:30:15
this is where he's going it is what it is. If I get
1:30:18
roasted cool, I have a couple of edge rushers, I would take over
1:30:23
him. And again if he's there at twenty eight and the Bills end up
1:30:27
taking him, so be it. I just I struggle with him, I
1:30:31
really do. And I get that gut feeling with one player or two players
1:30:35
every year, and Chop Robinson is one of those guys where the gut is
1:30:39
telling me I'm in the scene and I don't know if it's because I'm forever
1:30:45
scarred from Aaron Mabon. I knew you were going to go there. I
1:30:48
just don't I see Chop, and and I fought, you know what,
1:30:54
no, because I fought hard against it with Oway, and I liked Oway
1:31:00
really the all three, and all three guys have developed differently the back end
1:31:02
of that draft with Rousseau Away and then try on Sharenka, like how each
1:31:08
each has been used differently and how they've developed differently, like they've all become
1:31:12
like startuble edges. But I liked Oway even without the production. But everything
1:31:16
was telling me like it was skinny Edge from Penn State, like Aaron maybe
1:31:20
Aaron maban But I kept watching the tape and I bought into Oway. Yeah,
1:31:25
and I just haven't with Chopp. And there's something that just keep screaming
1:31:28
at me to not take him. And and I even and I don't love
1:31:33
some of the dudes, like I would rather have Chris braswell than Chop,
1:31:38
and like even even though I don't love Braylan Trice, I'd rather take Braylan
1:31:42
Trice to just be like yo, compress that tackle every single rep and just
1:31:45
be a bull in a china shop on every single rep. I might even
1:31:48
I haven't finished my evail. I know how much you love him. I
1:31:51
might even go Gabriel Murphy, I will Chop, like, yeah, you
1:31:56
love him, like I, I just there's something that just does not make
1:31:59
me feel comfortable watching his game, like and I and I want to buy
1:32:05
in because of the plane at Penn State and that defense was so good and
1:32:14
he does flash at times, and the name is also awesome, and yeah,
1:32:17
I don't know why. Like I I remember coming into the season and
1:32:21
kept hearing about and not even hearing from other people, like my own individual
1:32:26
excitement for Kaylan King and Chop Robinson at Penn State. And then as the
1:32:29
season went on, each week, I was just like, oh, dude,
1:32:32
Kayln King is the worst tackling corner I've ever seen in my life.
1:32:36
And he got roasted at the Senior Bowl like left and right, like man
1:32:41
between Kaylan King and then uh Kayleb Bullock the Safety from USC Like I don't
1:32:45
know who's work exactly, and yeah, it's just I just felt like those
1:32:49
Penn State dudes that I wanted to be dudes this year like were underwhelming.
1:32:54
Like I feel like I got as excited watching Adsa Isaac as I did watching
1:32:58
Chop Robinson and there's more traits for Chop. I'm just it just weird.
1:33:05
I feel like he had four sacks this year and two of them came against
1:33:11
you, Mass You made well, you mass Man National Power. Nick Stavens,
1:33:15
Ye, come on, dude, and I know against Michigan they ran
1:33:18
it fifty times in a row and you couldn't do anything in the second half,
1:33:23
but come on, man, like production matters to an extent, and
1:33:29
I just, dude, I don't know. I struggled with and even coming
1:33:32
out of last year, like PFF who rewards half sacks as whole sacks.
1:33:39
His highest was five sacks. Last year, he had two at Maryland in
1:33:43
twenty twenty one. He had five last year UH for Penn State, and
1:33:45
he had three this year. Last year he had forty eight pressures, five
1:33:48
sacks. This year he had twenty six. Again he was banged up a
1:33:51
bit. Twenty six pressures, three sacks, And then you're not seeing a
1:33:55
ton of stops either. Twelve stops against the run this year, seventeen last
1:33:59
year. Like, I just don't know. Is he a pass rush specialist?
1:34:02
Is he Like are you bringing him in and you're you're working him on
1:34:04
third downs? But then again, even if he's a pass rush specialist,
1:34:09
I don't see him winning in the ways that are gonna be Like he's an
1:34:12
impact Like if he's a pass no, no, And what's his timeline is
1:34:17
he making an impact at the end of the season. Is it a twenty
1:34:19
twenty five type of pick? Are you just playing him for juice and rotation
1:34:24
this year? Like he's a dude that scares me like a little bit.
1:34:27
And even with the edge grouping like I wanted to like Jonah Ellis from Utah,
1:34:32
I didn't a bunch. I'm still a little concerned with Uh brass Well
1:34:38
from like a pass rush standpoint in terms of moves, and I didn't love
1:34:41
what he did at the Senior Bowl. He wasn't terrible, he responded.
1:34:45
He had a bad Tuesday a better Wednesday. But I just go back to
1:34:48
the tape and I just think you can do a lot worse than an edge
1:34:54
defender that you know is gonna set the run, Like I'm watching him compress
1:34:58
the pocket against tackle, and I'm watching him bust out a cross chop every
1:35:01
now and again, and then the real like I'm watching him come off the
1:35:05
line, see a tackle down block and turn and realize, oh, a
1:35:12
guard is pulling, and I'm watching him lower into his outside leg and just
1:35:15
launch into a guard and jack him up and squeeze the hole like right,
1:35:20
and I and that at least it gives me, Okay, you know what,
1:35:24
chop Robinson probably has a higher floor or higher ceiling than Chris Braswell,
1:35:28
but Brasswell gives you a much much higher floor. And I don't think his
1:35:32
pastor stuff is great, but there's stuff you can work with. And at
1:35:35
the very least he can compress the pocket a bit. And he's gonna play
1:35:38
the run like a maniac because you know how he plays the game and he
1:35:42
at least counters, he at least has those those arm over counter kind of
1:35:46
understanding to read and react to me like, oh, this isn't working.
1:35:49
Let me try this in the moment and within out the course of the game,
1:35:53
right exactly, And like there's times where he kind of just runs into
1:35:56
his sack and and and things like that. But like Brad which Dallas Turner
1:36:00
too, like Bam was causing chaos up front, like igob or make something
1:36:04
happen, or somebody's blitzing and you fall into one like right, which is
1:36:08
why I would love him and I would hate it, But I would love
1:36:10
to see him in Minnesota with Brian Flores because he's gonna dice some things up
1:36:14
and it's gonna work for can you imagine too, Like with that kind of
1:36:16
chaotic scheme, Like is Turner blitzing? Is he dropping? Is he gonna
1:36:20
peel out and take the running back? Like, man, there's so many
1:36:23
fun things you can do with a guy there guy, but a guy like
1:36:27
Chopp, Like, yeah, he's he's dropped into space, but I don't
1:36:30
trust it, Like it's not an effective drop into space. It's you're you're
1:36:33
doing it because you're trying to throw off the offense. But it's not like
1:36:38
he's he's functioning out there. He's just out there exactly. Like he's one
1:36:42
of two players. For me, He's either gonna be Barcavius Mingo or he's
1:36:45
gonna be Vic Beasley. One of the two either. I don't love either
1:36:50
of them, but he's gonna have to become one of them too, because
1:36:53
like I don't know, like he's if he's gonna get drafted high, there's
1:36:57
gonna be an expectation, and I don't know which one going to be.
1:37:00
Like I just I don't know. But some other players you mentioned, Gabriel
1:37:02
Murphy. I don't want to keep dogging on Chop. This isn't a a
1:37:06
disguised on Chop. That's funny. No, But I think it's a fair
1:37:10
conversation because there are I don't remember who, but a prominent draft analyst mocked
1:37:16
Chop to the Bills yesterday or over the weekend. And I just know with
1:37:20
how the Bills, the Bills aren't gonna be able to solve their They have
1:37:24
six they have six rostered players on their defensive line right now. Six that's
1:37:30
it. Even if all six of those dudes were all pros, they'd still
1:37:32
need to add. But all six of those dudes are not all pros.
1:37:35
They're going to have to add to the defensive line, on the interier and
1:37:40
on the edge in this draft, and so until free agency kind of weans
1:37:44
out some of those needs, I think it's important. Again, I don't
1:37:46
want to bag on somebody like that over and over again, but I think
1:37:49
it's a name that's consistently going to get fed into the news cycle for Bills
1:37:55
fans at pick twenty eight because of the name, because of the helmet,
1:37:59
and because of some of the traits. And I just I think it's important
1:38:02
to kind of set that expectation of like cool, he might turn into something,
1:38:05
or he might be Barkivius Mingo or Big Beasley. Dude's sorry, that's
1:38:12
just my job. I don't know, Like it's just it is what it
1:38:15
is. But I will talk about Gabriel Murphy out of UCLA so much to
1:38:18
like within his game a lot too at times, like and that's the thing,
1:38:25
like, and I don't know why, Like maybe that's why I fell
1:38:28
for guys like Brasswell and Murphy because they were kind of in the shadows of
1:38:31
these top tier ed rushers in this year's draft, with Brasswell kind of in
1:38:34
the shadows of Dallas Turner and Murphy in the shadows of kind of his brother
1:38:40
Grayson, and then obviously of lat too. But with Gabriel like length is
1:38:45
going to be a problem. He doesn't look like he has very long arms,
1:38:47
which is fine. He just reminds me so much of Alex high Smith,
1:38:53
great motor chopping at the bit to get in the backfield. He does
1:38:57
anything he can to stop the run. There's times he gets washed. There's
1:39:01
times that he's running the arc and just kind of gets shoved out of the
1:39:03
way, and that's gonna happen. But the speed that he has and the
1:39:10
violence within his hands and the hand usage, it's tremendous, and the way
1:39:15
he bends down the line of scrimmage and makes some of those stops in those
1:39:18
tackles, like Lat two didn't show that all the time, and Lot two
1:39:21
at times looks hesitant against the run, and I think a lot of it's
1:39:26
because of the neck injuries that forced him to retire that he's sustained up in
1:39:30
Washington. So like Murphy just goes balls to the wall, and I love
1:39:33
guys like that, pedal to the metal, and I'm just gonna bet on
1:39:38
this guy. Like if I could pick from four to five years now,
1:39:43
a player that I feel like could get me, let's say thirty sacks over
1:39:47
a four or five year span. We're talking I don't know, six or
1:39:50
seven a year. I feel like Gabriel Murphy can be that guy where some
1:39:56
of these guys that we've talked about earlier, one in particular, I don't
1:39:59
know if he can do that for me. I think Gabriel Murphy can.
1:40:01
And then he still is going to be an asset on second and short when
1:40:06
I need it, or first and ten. I just feel like you can
1:40:09
play him a little bit more on third down again, length and overall size
1:40:13
could be questioned, but I'm really curious how he's going to measure and how
1:40:17
he's going to test. And I think personally he's a top fifty player in
1:40:21
this year's draft, and I see mock drafts where he's like ranked two twenty
1:40:26
or something, and I'm like, there's no way you can watch his tape
1:40:29
and say that when you maybe it's recent regency bias or recentcy bias. But
1:40:35
I've watched let's see uh say it off, and I really want him like
1:40:41
real quick, Like I want him to hit for you because you're not very
1:40:45
You're not like a give analysis or like scout a guy just so you can
1:40:50
be first. But you very much were like the plant the flag for Gabriel
1:40:56
Murphy. Like, and I want him to hit so bad because no one
1:41:00
was out there being like, oh yeah Gabriel Murphy like you were out here
1:41:02
like championing him. Yeah. I've watched eleven ed Rushers, and you know,
1:41:08
keep in mind, you have about eleven positions you scout, you throw
1:41:11
ten or eleven in each one. You get to about a hundred players.
1:41:14
I also know it's real when you text me, when you'd be like,
1:41:16
hey, man, have you watched this guy? I'm like, oh,
1:41:18
Russ really likes somebody. Yeah, And I just I like him more than
1:41:23
Braylan Trice. I like Braylan Trice, but hand usage is a bit of
1:41:27
a concern. I don't know what the speed is there. I don't know
1:41:30
about changing direction. He looks kind of stiff in the hips from time to
1:41:33
time. I wanted I wanted to like Trice more than I did, and
1:41:36
I've watched him a bunch in season and on tape, and I kept waiting
1:41:41
for me to be like, oh, there it is, and I just
1:41:44
kept being like, when I've watched like four games of a dude and I
1:41:47
have to be like, well, maybe I haven't watched the right game yet.
1:41:50
Then I'm like that's a problem. Yeah, But and that's like and
1:41:55
I don't know. I just I struggle with Trice a little bit. I
1:41:58
wanted to like him more and I just didn't like it. I don't know
1:42:02
one of those guys though, that kind of when you think of like overall
1:42:06
heightweight size kind of fits the bills in a sense, like absolutely pocket compressor,
1:42:12
Nasty's like a bigger George karlofft this type dude, like just leader,
1:42:15
like the type of dude, like from a character aspect like that you want,
1:42:18
Yeah, like you could do worse than Braylan Trice. I just don't
1:42:23
like. I just I wanted to like him more than I did, like
1:42:27
whereas whereas I went into watching Darius Robinson and I liked him more than I
1:42:31
thought I would, even though he doesn't have a repertoire of moves and I
1:42:35
do have questions about his speed and change direction. There were some reps where
1:42:41
Darius Robinson's like extending against a tight end and throwing him out of way,
1:42:45
and like swatting a running back out of his way, and like flushing Jadeen
1:42:48
Daniels from the pocket against LSU. Like there's some clips even Gabriel Murphy,
1:42:53
Like as soon as you told me when you also send me clips, but
1:42:56
then that day that you text me about Murphy, I watched whatever game you
1:43:01
started pulling clips from. UCLA is wearing their away jerseys, but you don't
1:43:05
thank you. Okay, cool, And he's got it's like the first series,
1:43:11
it's just like on the snap and he completely just goes somebody as soon
1:43:14
as he like goes through like they're they're defeated, like immediately. And he's
1:43:16
got so many reps like against the Run in the past where like he gets
1:43:20
past his man or makes his man face plant in like a quarter of a
1:43:24
second. And I was like, oh, this is fun, and I
1:43:28
want given all the production from a pressure perspective from Trice and some of these
1:43:32
other guys, like I expected to have more things to hang my hat on,
1:43:36
yeah, and I didn't. And so I think the edge grouping is
1:43:40
like deeper than defensive tackle. But I do have some concerns even with that
1:43:44
like grouping as well. I feel like edge gets there's plenty, not plenty,
1:43:48
but there's a handful of edges that I would be cool with in the
1:43:51
first round. After that, I almost like don't want to touch an edge
1:43:57
until like round three or four because I don't like what the crop is gonna
1:44:00
look like in the second round. And let's like again, I'm not as
1:44:05
deep into the Murphy evaluation. I only watched one game of him so far,
1:44:11
but like with how you speak about him and what I saw him that
1:44:13
game, I wouldn't be I would be okay with him at sixty, but
1:44:15
like the odds of that one guy being there, and then if he's not
1:44:18
there, what are you looking at in that second round? Like I just
1:44:23
get it is brass swell there? Like does do teams bite on Austin Booker
1:44:28
from Kansas? Like do I don't know? Do is Xavier Thomas from Clemson?
1:44:31
Like pop up somebody who I'm interested to watch, who I remember from
1:44:35
I'm looking at like different things now and I remember him from gam against Colorado.
1:44:39
Uh, Mohammed Kamara from Colorado State. But Colorado's offensive line is terrible.
1:44:45
He tore up that Colorado game. I do remember that he's if I
1:44:47
remember correctly, he's smaller. I think he's like two fifty or two hundred
1:44:50
and sixty pounds, and he's another dude that's tiny. Like I just it
1:44:54
gets scary once you're in like the second and third round crop. So it
1:44:57
makes me almost want to wait till the back end of three or four to
1:45:00
take an edge if you're not getting one in round one. No, I'm
1:45:03
with you, and I think you know there's that there's that drop off.
1:45:08
It's top heavy once you get past Turner. A lot to inverse. You
1:45:12
can throw in Darius Robinson, he's kind of in his separate tier. It
1:45:15
just it gets a little dicey with you know, Chop and Trice and then
1:45:18
Jonah Ellis and you know Adisa Isaac. There's there's a lot to like with
1:45:24
him, but he's only two hundred and fifty pounds. He's got long arms,
1:45:27
but his lower body doesn't always flow with his upper body. And then
1:45:31
you know he had a torn achilles two years ago, and I think that's
1:45:34
kind of put some limitations within his game, but I still like the player.
1:45:41
I think there's good lateral movement there. I think he's got you know,
1:45:44
a good a good rip move, and I think he's got you know,
1:45:48
good hand usage overall. But yeah, I'm with you. I just
1:45:53
I don't. I think, but I don't know. Though at the same
1:45:57
time, I'm like, I feel like the deeper I go the or wild
1:46:00
cards, I continue to uncover, and I'm like, once I get through,
1:46:02
like the third and fourth round, I'm like, I don't know what
1:46:05
else is really left out. They're Austin Booker out of Kansas. A lot
1:46:10
of potential there, but undersized, hasn't played a lot of football. I
1:46:14
don't know what to do where the combine can come in, because what if
1:46:16
somebody blows up the combine and has like the change of direction scores or the
1:46:21
speed or like the venture, like what they weigh in at and how they
1:46:26
show up. Like there's so many I think aesthetic pieces and testing measurables that
1:46:30
I think could help somebody stand out, not just for the evaluation committee,
1:46:34
but in terms of like helping solidify. Okay, like this dude can be
1:46:39
a solid person in round three, or a solid person early on Day two
1:46:43
or this. But again not even just talking about Robinson, like Darius that
1:46:46
is like propelling him to the first round. But I think the combine can
1:46:49
go a long way for this position group, even defensive tackle to a degree,
1:46:53
but edge because there are some traitsy guys and wildcard flyers, then I
1:46:59
think the opportunity to kind of set themselves apart by just having a really strong
1:47:02
combine and giving you something to hang your head on as an organization. Yeah,
1:47:08
and I mean a Day three guy I like that. I've watched one
1:47:11
game on is Solomon Byrd out of USC Oh, Yeah, I like him.
1:47:16
I mean there's the Again, it's one game, so I don't necessarily
1:47:19
know where I'm going to go from there. But I thought, you know,
1:47:24
from a pass rush standpoint, he's a specialist. He's going to get
1:47:28
after the quarterback. But I just stuff in the run. I thought he
1:47:30
kind of struggled there. He's not going to fight pressure with pressure consistently.
1:47:35
You know, controlling the gap isn't going to be really his thing. He's
1:47:39
going to get after the quarterback and that might be it. And that's the
1:47:43
thing I think you're gonna get guys that can get after the quarterback or help
1:47:45
stop the run. But other than that, you're not finding a lot of
1:47:48
guys that can go both ways. You're gonna find guys that are just you
1:47:53
know, just just doing the one thing. And it's like, well,
1:47:57
what what is that one thing that your team is going to value? And
1:48:00
for the Bills, I think probably getting after the quarterback, getting somebody else
1:48:03
that can get after the quarterback is gonna gonna be valuable. But again,
1:48:08
they could they I mean, they have so much draft capital. Could they
1:48:11
go, you know, an ED rusher in the third round and an ED
1:48:14
rusher in the fifth or sixth round the double tip in a whole bunch of
1:48:16
ways because of the capitol, or they could package some of those picks and
1:48:20
move up, yeah, and go quality over quantity, like if they wanted
1:48:24
to do that. Like another guy too, I wanted to mention just on
1:48:27
Day three, Jesshen Davis, the Edge from Wake Forest. I think he
1:48:31
just has some I say this, with how guys like play their play styles.
1:48:38
He's got some veloci raptor to him with how he plays, Like his
1:48:41
hand used to just motor his get off like he's just violent, like point
1:48:44
eight to point B straight line after the QB. But he's another one.
1:48:47
Wake Forest plays three, three, five, so he's at like a four
1:48:51
eye a whole bunch, and they're doing all these run stunts and all these
1:48:54
things, and so like a lot of times he's he's just like a spike
1:48:59
inside here and take up the garden the tech or the garden the center.
1:49:01
And he's like two hundred and sixty pounds. I think he's gonna weigh in
1:49:04
somewhere in that range is what he's listed on PFF. So like, you
1:49:08
have a two hundred and sixty pounds four I that's playing here all the time.
1:49:12
Like that gets a little like wonky for me. But he's got an
1:49:15
aspect to his gay. He's the one who I started watching for him,
1:49:19
and then Malik Mustafa, the safety from wake Forest, just started flashing left
1:49:24
and right, but I initially was watching for Davis. Yeah, we'll talk
1:49:26
about my stuff in a minute, but yeah, Davis is somebody who I
1:49:29
like on day three. But again, that's like cool, what's he gonna
1:49:31
be? Like? He's your edge four, and I think he could develop
1:49:34
and become like an edge two for someone, but you could do a lot
1:49:38
like. I like him because he's got a high motor. He works on
1:49:43
he's one hundred miles an hour on every single rep, and he may lose,
1:49:46
but he bangs like whatever you ask him to do, he's doing.
1:49:49
He will take on whoever. He will line up wherever, and even if
1:49:53
his technique is imperfect or the read is imperfect, he just works so hard
1:49:58
that he like he just muddy and just like it's not always pretty, but
1:50:01
he gums up the works because of how he plays. He I don't want
1:50:05
to put him in the same category because I really liked this other guy from
1:50:09
wake Forest last year, Kobe Turner. He reminds me of Kobe Turner a
1:50:13
little bit. Turner had much cleaner wins, and I thought he was drastically
1:50:16
overlooked in last year's class and he had a phenomenal year for the Rams.
1:50:20
But he's got some of that aspect like Kobe Turner did, where even when
1:50:25
it's not pretty, it just messes things up for the offense because there's such
1:50:29
a high motor and violence and veloci raptor to his game. Right, that's
1:50:33
a favorite piece, all right, last one, we're going mad late,
1:50:38
but you know it's fine because it's draft time. Wait, it only happens
1:50:40
once a year. This is our Christmas last piece, damn right. I
1:50:45
got the little Valentine's j tree there, and then I didn't take this one
1:50:47
down because so my wife was like, it's February, you got to take
1:50:50
the tree down. And I was like, but the Garlands read and it's
1:50:54
Valentine's Day month, so I should I could leave it right, and she
1:50:57
was like, fine, but March it's done, I'm taking it down.
1:51:00
Was like, all right, yeah, but the little one will stay up
1:51:01
and then I'll make it Saint Patrick's Day theme. Safety position of need for
1:51:06
the Buffalo Bills as they stand right now, Mike A. Hyde free agent,
1:51:09
there is a literal hole at that safety spot starting opposite to Jordan Poyer.
1:51:13
Who knows Jordan Poyer could potentially be a cap casualty given what his savings
1:51:17
would be if he is released, But regardless of that, Bills need a
1:51:21
safety as a right now. They're probably gonna need some safety depth as well.
1:51:24
I expect them to attack it in free agency, but I would not
1:51:27
roll out a safety coming out of the draft. Let's talk about who to
1:51:30
watch for at the twenty twenty four NFL Combine for safety? Who do you
1:51:33
think could really help help themselves? Is it early? Is it somebody potentially
1:51:38
hurting themselves? Is it a Day two guy at a Day three guy?
1:51:41
When it comes to safety, where's your head in mind and your eyes at
1:51:44
for the combine? Yeah? I mean I really like Kyler Nuban out of
1:51:47
Minnesota. I think he's got I think he's got the potentially be the best
1:51:51
safety in the class. I really do. His dad played at Eastern Michigan
1:51:56
and he's developed into a full time starter at Minnesota since twenty one. I
1:52:01
really like the way he buzzes down. I like the way he covers tight
1:52:03
ends. I think he can play down in the box when you need him
1:52:08
to. But I think at the same time you want to have him.
1:52:12
That's funny. For the rest of the tree is green, but it technically
1:52:15
it's not. It's frosted with white, so it's more white than green.
1:52:17
But I like where your head is at, Ralph. Yeah, Nuban is
1:52:20
also the Minnesota career like interception leader with thirteen. Like he's always around the
1:52:25
ball. Yeah, no, great ball skills. I think he can do
1:52:28
those split split safety responsibilities, whether it be too high single high, there's
1:52:33
so much to like within his game. Testing will be huge for him.
1:52:38
I think the testing could go a long way with separating him and Cam Kitchens
1:52:42
because I don't think Cam's gonna test well and I think Nuban will test better.
1:52:45
Yeah, Nubin's tape is both of their tape. I love both their
1:52:49
tapes, but granted they play in different ways. But with Nuban, he's
1:52:54
gonna be like six one six two, probably two hundred and five to two
1:52:58
hundred ten pounds and he's gonna run in test much better than Cam. Yep,
1:53:01
yep, oh exactly. And I think with Tyler it's one of those
1:53:05
where he's going to hit all of the drills and I think he's going to
1:53:10
do relatively well. You know, I try not to do a lot of
1:53:14
pro comparison on guys, but when you got a six foot to two hundred
1:53:17
and ten pounds safety, there's just so much to be desired with overall size
1:53:24
and again just the way he moves, so I think he's going to do
1:53:28
wonders. I think he could get into the back end of the first round
1:53:30
conversation, especially with a team like Buffalo, because I think it's a glaring
1:53:33
need and I think it's kind of become a need. It's been a need
1:53:36
for a little bit of time, and they've just kind of put scotch tape
1:53:42
over it and a band aid over it. Maybe more juice and athleticism at
1:53:45
that position, like for his versatile and as hide employer have been the past
1:53:48
couple of years, the mileage on the tires has started to show more and
1:53:51
more. Yeah, and I could see them going after like a Tracy Walker.
1:53:56
I could see them getting a former Detroit line and bring him in.
1:54:00
But at the same time, I could see Tracy Walker going to Philadelphia and
1:54:02
joining his cousin Darius Slay there. So well, we'll kind of see what
1:54:08
happens there. But I'm a big fan of Tyler Nuban. I'm very curious
1:54:12
and I know you're not a huge fan of him, but Jaden Hicks,
1:54:15
I'll be curious how he tests. I think he's a little bit more of
1:54:20
that buzz defender playing down in the box. There's much to be desired there
1:54:24
with six three to twelve. I love the way he comes up and tries
1:54:28
to hit though, I think, you know, whether if he was down
1:54:32
in the box, you know, hook curl again, just as that buzz
1:54:36
defender playing kind of in that overhang from time to time, I think will
1:54:41
be key maybe being that post safety from time to time. But I just
1:54:45
I struggle with him because he looks a little stiff, and what's he going
1:54:49
to test? And I don't know if there's a safety in this class that's
1:54:53
gonna wow us with their overall testing. I really don't. I think maybe,
1:54:58
you know, maybe Javon Bowler, maybe, uh we'll see. I
1:55:02
just don't know, you know, I don't know who it's gonna be.
1:55:05
I wanted to like, uh Kayln Bullock, Moore can't tackle, you can't
1:55:11
be on board. I just there's so much potential there right, Like he
1:55:15
looks the part, He looks cool as hell, and then I watched I'll
1:55:19
do all this stuff from the post and then that that clip against Utah forever
1:55:24
lives in my head of him just and there's so many like he's just such
1:55:29
a bad tackler. Yeah, and he's just it's bad. But you know,
1:55:31
for me, the top two guys are are Cam and Tyler Newman.
1:55:35
I think those are the out of the guys I've watched pulling up a number
1:55:41
of safeties. Sorry, they're the last group, respectful. Yeah, six
1:55:45
safeties i've gotten to. I think those are the two of the six that
1:55:49
I've watched are the best ones. You know, I like Tyke Smith a
1:55:54
little bit out of Georgia, but I think there's some limitations there. I
1:55:58
don't know how much single high stuff you're gonna do with him. Is he
1:56:01
like you meant I think we were talking about. You said more of like
1:56:03
that apex and kind of overhang roll. Is that what he's going to do?
1:56:09
I just I don't know. I think he's a versatile chess piece to
1:56:13
your defense, but again, single high there's some limitations. So coming downhill
1:56:16
there's a lot of good, but roaming over the top, I just don't
1:56:19
know what Tyke Smith. I like this class for some depth and I think
1:56:25
you might be able to find some key role players. But how many safety
1:56:29
sets are you rolling on your defense? Are you running two or three?
1:56:31
Are you know? What are you planning on doing with your with your defensive
1:56:35
backfield where you can get two or three safeties on it at the same time.
1:56:39
So I don't know. I echo a lot of your sentiments, and
1:56:44
yeah, I think Nuban's going to test really well. And when you put
1:56:46
that testing with the tape, like just with the professional coverages he's playing,
1:56:51
they're out there playing you know, quarters and cover two, and he's playing
1:56:56
into the boundary. He's playing in the field side, he's playing he's playing
1:57:00
the robber and like Tampa two robber, like Tampa two invert, depending on
1:57:03
how you want to look at it, Like he's man covering versus tight ends,
1:57:06
like he he just played such a professional type of safety at Minnesota and
1:57:12
had such ball production. And then he's also like a violent hitter, like
1:57:15
he has that one rap against Nebraska from twenty twenty two where he just absolutely
1:57:19
bodies the receiver coming across the middle, like I just and then the size
1:57:24
and the frame, the range, the eyes, he's able to bake quarterbacks,
1:57:29
and just I think when you see the tape in his skill set,
1:57:34
I think he'll have the type of combine that will propel him into the first
1:57:38
round potentially. I think it'll propel him to be the first safety off the
1:57:42
board. Wherever that goes. It could be early two, middle two.
1:57:45
It could be early one. I think he's gonna have a combine that'll make
1:57:47
him safety one yeah UXTA, and then putting that together with Cam Kitchens,
1:57:53
who I also really love. I just don't think Cam's gonna test well.
1:57:57
I could see him running like a four five six forty or some kind of
1:58:01
forty that are just and change. I just don't think he's gonna test well,
1:58:04
change the direction stuff like forty times bench. I don't know how great
1:58:10
he's gonna do, like with any of like the baseline measurable type stuff,
1:58:13
but the tape is just tremendous with how he plays. Also really good ball
1:58:16
production, like with what he's done in Miami forces fumbles, plays like a
1:58:21
veltc of raptor at that safety spot. But then you also look at that
1:58:25
Miami defense, like this very playing on the four foot like type of defense,
1:58:30
very blitz heavy, attack minded. They're they're doing a lot of match
1:58:33
coverages, which travels and translates well to the NFL, but it is very
1:58:39
you know, we're attacking, we're blitzing, we're running this. It's a
1:58:43
type of defense that doesn't exist holistically across the NFL, but I did think
1:58:45
it had elements that prepares him well even going to the Bills now with Jimi
1:58:50
Laedaibi in there. But my big thing with him is he gets risky two
1:58:56
times or too much at times, like he sees the QB's eyes and he
1:59:00
thinks the ball is going over here and it's actually going somewhere else. But
1:59:03
again, part of that risk that he's taken has yielded the production or has
1:59:10
led to I should say, the production that he's had at Miami just always
1:59:14
being around the football and getting sacks and forcing fumbles and getting interceptions, and
1:59:18
so it's kind of hard to fault him in that regard. I mean,
1:59:20
he's got eleven career interceptions, five this year, six last year. I
1:59:25
really like Cam's game, but again I don't think he's going to test that
1:59:29
well. And then some of the dudes on the back end, like Day
1:59:31
two safeties, Day three safeties, this is where I'm really interested to see
1:59:34
what the combine does. I really like Jalen Simpson out of Auburn, but
1:59:40
he's tiny. This was his first year playing safety. He used to be
1:59:43
a corner. He's five A listed at five to eleven, one hundred and
1:59:45
seventy eight pounds. I watch him close and I watch him run. I
1:59:48
think he's going to test well in the forty. I think he's gonna run
1:59:50
well, and he should. You're gonna be like one hundred and eighty pounds,
1:59:53
you better run like real fast. But my concern with him is all
1:59:58
the physical aspects, Like he's still learning how to fit the run. He's
2:00:00
still got to like actually fit the run and bang in the alley and go
2:00:03
up against NFL body types as blockers and as ball carriers, Like I think
2:00:09
that's going to be a challenge, but he's I sent you some of the
2:00:13
clips when I went through like the four games I did for him. I
2:00:15
mean watching him close on brock Bowers and punched through brock Bowers and forcing an
2:00:21
incompletion, watching him close down and jump an en route from Malak neighbors,
2:00:26
like he's going to get up against some studs in the SEC and he's holding
2:00:30
his own and again it's his first year as a safety. I love the
2:00:33
idea of seeing if you can add on to his frame, getting him to
2:00:36
that one six, pushing one ninety potentially, but leaving him in the middle
2:00:42
one eighties, allowing him to continue to see the field and get better,
2:00:45
and I think he'll test decently well from a like an agility and run standpoint.
2:00:49
Malik Mustafa is also another one, and so is kitan Ola Dappo from
2:00:54
Oregon State. I think Mustafa just plays like a heat seeking miss and I
2:01:00
want to see if the times, like the time times match what you see
2:01:04
on tape. I don't think he's gonna run like a four to three or
2:01:06
a four to four, but at five eleven two hundred and seven pounds,
2:01:11
I think he could propel himself and do a nice part of the day three
2:01:14
or maybe back end of day two conversation. The thing with him is just
2:01:17
the coverages again similar to Jashene Davis. It's the coverages they're playing there.
2:01:21
Like he's got good ranges of post safety, but they're just really doing a
2:01:25
lot of Cover three stuff they have him doing, playing some apex and some
2:01:29
nickel. They've got him as a linebacker and a spy at times against mobile
2:01:32
qbs. Like, so is he a nickel safety hybrid? Where does he
2:01:35
fit? And then Ola Dappo just huge listed at six to two hundred and
2:01:41
nineteen pounds, dude, he's massive, hustles he's got good speed. I
2:01:45
forget what team that I clipped that play where he runs down the running back
2:01:49
and forces the full. I think it's against Oregon. Maybe I wouldna say
2:01:51
I think that's Oregon because that was the game I he he was somebody I
2:01:56
I'm going towards my seventh safety watched and he's the seven guy I'm watching,
2:02:00
and I'm that was the only game I've seen. I'm pretty sure that was
2:02:03
the game. He came out of nowhere and just chased him down and made
2:02:08
a great play. He fits on like the other side. The run goes
2:02:10
the other way and he b lines it, runs dude down, punches ball
2:02:14
out. Oregon State gets the ball, but dad is against Oregon. My
2:02:16
head there yet? And do I mean? And you see the size he
2:02:18
is a thumper uses his size at the tackle point. But despite that,
2:02:23
I thought he moved well for his size in terms of straight line speed and
2:02:26
change in direction. He's a dude who I think if he tests well speed
2:02:30
wise and in the agility pieces at that size, high character guy as well,
2:02:35
I think he could do something because again there's a lot of can this
2:02:41
guy play as a post safety? Does he have the range. Is he
2:02:43
a two high safety? Only? Is there nickel? You know potential and
2:02:46
apex potential, Like where do you put them? How do you see them?
2:02:48
Like Nuban and Kitchens are really the only ones that I see is straight
2:02:53
up whatever coverage you want to play on the back end, they can play
2:02:56
it and they can do it. And then you get into like I really
2:02:58
like Javon Buller, but then I'm like, okay, Like Kenny live is
2:03:00
a single high post safety with regularity or does and even with his size,
2:03:03
does he have to be more of a nickel? Like can you Stephen lives
2:03:06
in a too high world? Like even though he's really good at match coverage
2:03:10
and all these pieces that they do with Georgia, And I think again,
2:03:14
like this is another position grouping where the combine can go a lot of go
2:03:16
a long way in terms of like settling the dust a little bit and starting
2:03:19
to be like, Okay, now we know who the day two guys are.
2:03:23
Here's round two, here's Round three, here's the round four guys.
2:03:26
Here's the seven and the six and the fives. I think the combine could
2:03:29
go a long way again settling at the top. I think in establishing new
2:03:32
but as the number one or maybe we're wrong and Cam Kitchens comes out and
2:03:35
runs like a four four eight and does really well, and that conversation gets
2:03:40
more intense. But I think that I think the combine will do a lot
2:03:43
towards setting the tiers for the safety position throughout the rest of this offseason.
2:03:48
Yeah, And I think I think too, like and you hit a lot
2:03:51
of nails on the head there with a lot of different players. And again,
2:03:56
I think it just really circles back to schematics. Like some guys,
2:04:00
your scheme, what do you need? Do they fish? Yeah? Yeah,
2:04:03
And like some guys we might talk about today, we're gonna say,
2:04:05
yeah, their third or fourth round value, they might end up going in
2:04:09
the second round because schematically they fit a particular team because of what they're running,
2:04:14
you know, whether it be you know, more single high stuff.
2:04:17
They want a guy playing down in into the into that apex role, or
2:04:23
they're buzzing down whatever whatever it is that they're looking for. Schematically, that's
2:04:27
what it's what it's gonna all be about for for certain guys. And again,
2:04:31
I think the testing plays a big part into it for safeties because they're
2:04:35
asked to say, for me, I just I doesn't feel like safeties are
2:04:40
asked to do a little bit more like come up into the box and tackle.
2:04:43
If they're not doing that, they got to have the range to fly
2:04:45
over the top. They have to have the speed to not get beat deep.
2:04:48
Like there's so much, especially in today's NFL, like can you play
2:04:51
spot drop coverage? Can you play match? Can you function in a too
2:04:55
high role and both? Can you play in quarters but also can you get
2:04:59
down to the path two? Can you play as a single high post safety
2:05:01
and cover? Three? Can you also be the safety that buzzes down both
2:05:05
in the hook crop but also in the flat? Can you play Skott?
2:05:09
Can you play buzz Who can you man cover against? How do you fit
2:05:13
the run? Can you fit the run from depth? Are you a sure
2:05:15
tackler coming forward? What do your angles look like? It's such a demanding
2:05:18
position. M hm. And that's why everything I just rattled off. Nuban
2:05:24
and Cam do all that they do regularity against high like caliber duds. Everyone
2:05:28
else it's more like projection, like okay, like we think this guy can
2:05:32
do this, but it's got to build a little bit like it's yeah,
2:05:35
man, especially with with how defenses operate in college football, I feel like
2:05:40
it's there's a lot asked of them at the NFL level, and the transition
2:05:44
isn't always like seamless, and it just feels like a lot of guys are
2:05:47
more in those simplified roles in the college ranks, like Okay, you take
2:05:51
that half of the field and don't worry about what's going on over there.
2:05:56
But then you again, you do find some guys that are asked to do
2:05:59
a bunch of different things, like uh Nazier atterly, for example, when
2:06:02
he was coming out of Delaware, like I still remember how much range he
2:06:06
had. It didn't work out for him because of the injuries and you end
2:06:09
up retiring and all that stuff, but I loved him. Paired with pairing
2:06:13
him with Derwin James, I thought it was gonna be the greatest safety tannem
2:06:15
ever with the fruit and then then what you could do, Yeah, and
2:06:17
they added as Sante Samuel Junior. It was like, dude, this this,
2:06:20
this defense is going to be legit and it just never worked out.
2:06:25
But yeah, no, there's just there's so much to be asked out of
2:06:28
safety. Same thing kind of with like tight ends you gotta you gotta run
2:06:30
block. You gotta be able to run route. You have to run them
2:06:32
efficiently. You have to be able to catch. You have to be able
2:06:35
to catch after the run. You have to be versatile enough. You can't
2:06:39
just be an inline guy or an h back anymore. You have to play
2:06:42
in the slot. You got a mental it's a mental It's a mentally and
2:06:45
physically demanding position, like the tight end spot. Which is why usually like
2:06:48
the development it's like, oh, you're one tight ends or kind of whatever.
2:06:51
It's because their mental workload is so intense, because you're functioning in the
2:06:56
run in the past and a multitude of ways, especially like yeah, if
2:06:59
you're not just an in line guy, you're also getting put out and split
2:07:01
out. You have to learn all these different things and reading coverages. I
2:07:03
think safety is a similar piece. Like you are the safety valve, you
2:07:08
are the safety blanket, the net on that back end. You play a
2:07:11
very important spot. But also now with you know teams want to go with
2:07:16
light boxes to defend the run. Cool, that means you're part of the
2:07:18
run fit even you're even though you're in this too high look. But now
2:07:21
also teams are more and more heavy personnel. So cool. Can you bang
2:07:24
in the box against like a traditional blocking tight end or a six offensive lineman.
2:07:29
How do you fit that alley? It's a very demanding position mentally and
2:07:32
physically. And again that's why I like Newman and and Cam so much because
2:07:38
they've they've displayed the ability to function in all of those like physical demanding roles
2:07:43
mentally and physically. And there's a lot of other dudes who I like at
2:07:45
safety, but you're not really getting to see it because of the coverages they
2:07:49
play or the type of system that they're in that limits the type of coverages.
2:07:53
So then it's like, Okay, what are his traits? What's just
2:07:55
skill set? I watched him cover down on this play one time. It
2:08:00
literally makes me think of Dorian Williams, last year linebacker from Tulane that the
2:08:03
Bills took. I watched like four or five games of his. I watched
2:08:05
him carry someone vertically three whole times. Everything was spot drop coverage, and
2:08:11
I was like, well, this doesn't translate to the NFL. But again,
2:08:13
he's long and athletic and fast, so you hope you can coach him
2:08:16
up and YadA YadA and It's just it's so tough to project like that for
2:08:22
a position that is so demanding mentally and physically with what is asked of safeties
2:08:26
in today's NFL, and also within that, I feel like safety doesn't get
2:08:30
prioritized in the draft, Like it's a position that everyone's like, eh,
2:08:33
you can get a second or third round safety and be fine, and it's
2:08:35
kind of hard to argue. Like Kyle Duggar second round safety, Antoine Winfield
2:08:39
junior second round safety, Jesse Bates second round safety. I'm trying to think
2:08:46
of all the dudes who have been like I did it last year too.
2:08:48
I remember like charting a bunch, like there's a lot of successful safeties that
2:08:52
have been second third round dudes are like cast off, you know, free
2:08:54
agents Mikeah Hyde and Jordan Poyer became one of the best safety duos in the
2:08:58
NFL. And Hyde was like a jack of all trades defensive back that was
2:09:03
a was a name signing but didn't really garner too much attention, and Ployer
2:09:07
was literally a nobody And look what the game like. It's just it's a
2:09:11
weird position, man. And that's why when I see someone like that has
2:09:16
the skill set and the traits of the production like a new bin or a
2:09:20
camp kitchens. I'm like, that's somebody that can take your defense to the
2:09:22
next level because of what they can do already, and then theory should continue
2:09:28
to get better. And there's all the other guys on the back and that
2:09:30
could do the same. It's just wild. Well look at the Lions.
2:09:33
I mean, I feed a Mela fon Wu, Tracy Walker, Kirby Joseph.
2:09:37
All these guys were third round pickxer later. Like you just you take
2:09:39
these guys later and you find ways for them to develop. One guy I
2:09:43
wanted to end, Baker is another second round dude all safety, Like,
2:09:48
it's just where are you with James Williams. What do you do with a
2:09:50
guy like that's six foot five, fifteen pounds. You gotta play them in
2:09:54
the box right Like he can't. I've watched a ton of Miami games,
2:09:58
both every sing Miami game for the last like I don't know, fifteen years
2:10:01
I've watched on broadcast and then all the tape I've watched between last year and
2:10:05
this year. He can't live deep. You need him around the box even
2:10:11
you know this year when he was quote unquote playing safety. You saw his
2:10:13
strengths at best with him being more of that cover three box safety, like
2:10:18
as a sky or a buzz type of dude. You want him living around
2:10:20
the line of scrimmage. I want him to add as much weight as he
2:10:22
can while maintaining his agility and his athleticism, and he has to be a
2:10:28
linebacker. The closest I'm getting to him being a safety is being like a
2:10:31
big nickel or an apex like that's what he's got to be. I just
2:10:35
don't think he has the hip fluidity, the coverage instincts, and the athleticism
2:10:39
to play deep like regularly in any type of look. He's not getting anywhere
2:10:46
near like a split a post safety type of look. And even in like
2:10:50
I don't even think I want him be in like a cover two safety like
2:10:52
deep like it just I just don't think he has the range and the athleticism
2:10:56
for it. But put him around the box with that size and that and
2:11:00
then athleticism plays more around the scrimmage, and that's where I'm putting. That's
2:11:05
fair. That's fair. Now. I think we're on the same page with
2:11:07
the safeties. I really do. I agree. I agree Russ. I'm
2:11:11
gonna throw up the banner and say tootles, folks, because we're gonna get
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2:11:18
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No, yeah, no, look, always appreciate the opportunity to come on
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2:13:24
I feel like I'm still kind of part of it, you know,
2:13:26
and a you know, buy hard or whatever. But no, I think
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that's why we go two plus hours every single time I come on, just
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2:13:43
always a blast, and you're somebody who I know I can like, I
2:13:46
don't have to stick to like these four players, like I can speak about
2:13:50
like an entire position group, and that's what we did like we start ran
2:13:54
off an hour in itself, like what do you think of this guy?
2:13:56
What do you think of that guy? Yeah, I saw him in this
2:13:58
game do this, but I saw him in that game do that, and
2:14:01
it's just like I you just it's just awesome. You have to be able
2:14:03
to talk about Sorry, I got excited to continue, go ahead for No,
2:14:05
you're good, You're good. No, it's always a blast, and
2:14:09
you know, Draft season is upon us, so it's it's been great.
2:14:11
I'm excited for the Combine to get started, which I think is either tomorrow
2:14:16
or Thursday. Can't remember. I think it's Thursday. It's Thursday. It's
2:14:18
definitely Thursday ends on Thursday, or line stuff is on Thursday. I just
2:14:24
remember Wide Receivers is the weekend. Yeah, dbs. It's so weird now
2:14:30
now that it's like not during the day all the time now and it's like
2:14:33
nighttime each day and they've separated up into group. I'm still adjusting to the
2:14:35
new Combine schedule, which I'm glad they did. I like that it's not
2:14:39
at like eight am and it's like they give the players and all that.
2:14:43
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Last Tuesday night. Thank you very much everyone, Thank you very much to
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you Russ. For everybody watching or listening. I hope you and your family
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2:16:15
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