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Ep. 221: The Perfect Rock · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely
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  Speaker 1: I'm cooking right now. If you want to know my
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  Speaker 1: new um invention. Yes, it's you take the two legs
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  Speaker 1: off a turkey, okay, thighs and drumsticks. You stick them
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  Speaker 1: in a big old pot like a lock crusade dutch
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  Speaker 1: op and type pot, and then uh, capping with water,
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  Speaker 1: just covering with water. You know order this is going.
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  Speaker 1: But then you put in a whole ton of garlic,
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  Speaker 1: don't do anything to it, just peel it, any quartering onion,
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  Speaker 1: put it a whole ton of hoistened sauce, bullion, salt, pepper,
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  Speaker 1: and a whole ton of ginger. Oh, then putting your
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  Speaker 1: oven at two seventy five all day long. And oh
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  Speaker 1: you know the fact that I used to kind of
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  Speaker 1: think that adding all kinds of junk to your braising
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  Speaker 1: liquid didn't matter. It was stupid. I mean I used
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  Speaker 1: to like put my pants and I was a little
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  Speaker 1: kid too, Like people change over time, but uh, some
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  Speaker 1: people that was indefensible position. You cannot make up for
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  Speaker 1: it later. So how are you serving that stuff? Well,
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  Speaker 1: the problem is you pulled out and you think you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna make something with it, but you just eat it
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  Speaker 1: all like that. That's all right, Yeah, I just eat
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  Speaker 1: it all like that. The minute you can tear it
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  Speaker 1: apart with a fork, I think you're going like street tacos.
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  Speaker 1: Well that was the intention, or you put it on sandos,
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  Speaker 1: make barbecue sandwiches and stuff like that. God's just good
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  Speaker 1: like that tonight? I got it right now. I just
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  Speaker 1: pulled out of my oven. What do I think about doing?
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  Speaker 1: Is um just setting that whole thing down on the tabletop.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just be like digging. Watch the bones so good.
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  Speaker 1: I did the the old street taco last night with
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  Speaker 1: turkey legs. Why were you on the street No kitchen taco,
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  Speaker 1: kitchen taco, backyard taco. But you cook the legs, legs
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  Speaker 1: and thighs pulled it. You know what else? I got
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  Speaker 1: in there with my thing? What I haven't sampled you
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  Speaker 1: as I threw a hunk of bear scrap in there,
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  Speaker 1: just a scrap of bear meat, just to see just
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  Speaker 1: when you made your tacos, would you put on them
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  Speaker 1: as far as like fictions fixings, Yeah, some avocado, some um,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of lime, um, some onion, some taco sauce, um,
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  Speaker 1: sour cream, not even real fancy. If you really want
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  Speaker 1: to please your woman, Seth, what I would do is
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  Speaker 1: pick the meat. Yeah okay, lightly tossed it with some
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  Speaker 1: oil and kind of fluff it up so it looks
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  Speaker 1: like a little bird's nest. Stick it under your broiler,
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  Speaker 1: then put it on your taco. That's what I usually.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do it last night because it's been lazy,
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  Speaker 1: but usually I payan fry it then. Oh yeah, um
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  Speaker 1: the uh chew picabra seasoning, the green taco seasoning which
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  Speaker 1: brought these kids thinks too spicy. That's right. Every kid
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  Speaker 1: on the planet thinks that's too spicy. Mine, don't kids
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  Speaker 1: have no problem with tough little kids. You get that
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  Speaker 1: stuff into the air in the kitchen, it'll definitely put
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  Speaker 1: you down. Um, but really, oh yeah, absolutely, just you're
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  Speaker 1: just like inhaling it. Free floating particles can picture that, um,
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  Speaker 1: I tossed elk shank and that stuff, threw it on
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  Speaker 1: the grill, got it all looking nice, and then through
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  Speaker 1: that and the suvie for like a long time, twelve
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  Speaker 1: plus hours, and then pulled it out once. My My
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  Speaker 1: test for a shank and the suvie is to try
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  Speaker 1: to find where the tendon is coming out all clear.
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  Speaker 1: And if you can poke that tendon and it just
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  Speaker 1: kind of splits apart and forms around your finger, then
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  Speaker 1: the elk shank's done. Now do you always grill pre suvie? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I told you had the antelope neck in
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  Speaker 1: there too, and I didn't grill it prior to I
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  Speaker 1: just threw it in the bag. And and I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: and if that's why it took that, because when you
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  Speaker 1: charter something, it's supposed to create like the what is
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  Speaker 1: that my yard process, which is uh, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: starting to break down. Not familiar with it. Um, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if growing the shank accelerated the shank breaking
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  Speaker 1: down that much faster than the antelope neck that had
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  Speaker 1: already been in there for twenty four hours, and the
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  Speaker 1: shank got done faster than the antalope neck anyway, pulled
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  Speaker 1: the shank out, uh, pulled all that meat and dusted
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  Speaker 1: at real heavy with the chio picabra green taco. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm still working our way through our spice kit by
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  Speaker 1: the way, and it's kind of like welling alphabetical son
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  Speaker 1: of a gun. That's good. Um. And put some of
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  Speaker 1: that way goo bee fat in the skillet and crisped
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  Speaker 1: it up that way. That makes a mean kitchen taco. Yeah. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: Maggie came over and filmed in the garage a gun
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  Speaker 1: set up video that we did, and so I got
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  Speaker 1: a feed her kitchen tacos and she enjoyed. She approved good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right, that's good stuff. Um, so let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: my my draw. I drew them out and go tag
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  Speaker 1: real quick, um, not real quicklation. Steve just got word
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  Speaker 1: today and I was unsuccessful. I just got word today.
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  Speaker 1: How many years did you put in? Well, I was
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  Speaker 1: putting in before they even came out with bonus points.
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  Speaker 1: Approximately what year did you start more than half your life? No? Yeah? Better?
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  Speaker 1: Not only um was he good at math, but just
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  Speaker 1: like has a real way of making it feel profound.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, half my life, yeah, Drew, But check this out.
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  Speaker 1: My brother moved to this state. Granted he never moved way,
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  Speaker 1: he just stayed put. He moved to this state right
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  Speaker 1: when I did. Okay, In that in that time, he
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  Speaker 1: drew Mountain, goat Moose. There's like, I should give you
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  Speaker 1: a little background. There's three tags that are real hard
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  Speaker 1: to draw. Here. I mean there's all kinds of special units.
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  Speaker 1: But in the state of Montana there's three Moose, sheep
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  Speaker 1: and gold are like real hard to draw. In most
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  Speaker 1: days all over the West, moose, sheep and go hard
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  Speaker 1: to draw U. And the time that I've been putting
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  Speaker 1: in so so, he drew goat moose, big horn, go again. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and I drew finally go. And when he draw, when
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  Speaker 1: he dream out and go the first time he had
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  Speaker 1: to go, wait seven years to start all drawn again
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  Speaker 1: and waited seven years draw another damn go take. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's quite applying now, right. He's taking himself barely.
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  Speaker 1: Even when he drew his last go tag, he barely
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  Speaker 1: even went yea, he half asked it. But he's doing
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  Speaker 1: that not because he's kind of over it, but because
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  Speaker 1: I think he thinks he feels like he should take
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  Speaker 1: himself out of the running, right, really he told you that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. So he's just bored of it. He's
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  Speaker 1: like what it was like. He was like, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: get it elk, then I'll go get him out. He
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get it out. But I'm saying he don't
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  Speaker 1: think he's participating anymore in the draws. He's still applying
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  Speaker 1: for sheep again. I thought the story was he yanked
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  Speaker 1: himself out because he's already already done it. So did
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  Speaker 1: he get the second go? No, he didn't really care.
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  Speaker 1: He got his once in a lifetime tags taken care of.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't care, I guess, don't apply. I'm chexting
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  Speaker 1: them right now in case people are wondering what happened
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  Speaker 1: to the host. But they're not. They're not once in
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  Speaker 1: a lifetime in Montana, obviously for most people. They are.
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  Speaker 1: You can you can talk to that point. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to have a long life, a long, long,
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  Speaker 1: ppable life, so now. But but the point being, you're
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  Speaker 1: you're all upset about how you've been putting in and
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  Speaker 1: never drew. But they didn't start doing that. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: start doing bonus points until until later. Well. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: and to the state of Montana. So what year did
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  Speaker 1: you really put were you really putting in before I was?
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  Speaker 1: Were you really putting in back? And you're wrong, You
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  Speaker 1: honestly did put in years. Yeah. I mean I've been
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  Speaker 1: putting in since I was able to apply, right, unless
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  Speaker 1: my dad was just totally screwing with me lying yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's like a son. I didn't give you any allowance
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  Speaker 1: because I put you in for a goat u. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean the whole bonus point thing. I
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  Speaker 1: just hate that that's even a part of the conversation.
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  Speaker 1: We've already talked about that. It's the worst thing Montana's
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  Speaker 1: ever done to people, other than let nonresidents apply. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they should be ashamed the whole state. Um. You weren't
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  Speaker 1: saying that tune when you were living in Idaho and
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  Speaker 1: still applying over here, were you. Yeah? I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: here's where I screwed myself a little bit too. I
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  Speaker 1: was so disgusted and heartbroken and ashamed to call myself Montana. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: due to the fact that we instituted a bonus point
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  Speaker 1: program that's not even really a bonus point um that
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  Speaker 1: I refused to even purchase them. A few years, which
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  Speaker 1: you know only hurts myself. Why is it not at true?
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  Speaker 1: What you were so upset you quit drawing? No, I
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  Speaker 1: had applied, but I wouldn't get the bonus point. Huh
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  Speaker 1: yeah makes zero? Can you real quick explain to people
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  Speaker 1: what a bonus point is the case they're curious, and
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  Speaker 1: then to explain why you would, um, why you would
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  Speaker 1: do that to yourself? And then three why it's not
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  Speaker 1: a bonus point? You know what they call it that?
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  Speaker 1: And for what system you prepare? Uh? Order again, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna go from from top to bottom. What system I prefer?
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  Speaker 1: What is it we're talking about? Um? So, a bonus
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  Speaker 1: point is basically a uh something that instead of putting
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  Speaker 1: your name in the hat once, you put your name
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  Speaker 1: in the hat twice. If you have a bonus point, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: go for it. I hate it so much. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's just stupid. Let's say you have a uh let's
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  Speaker 1: say the interest in the resource outweighs the source and
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  Speaker 1: you have, um you have You've determined that you can
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  Speaker 1: kill ten mountain goats out of a mountain range without
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  Speaker 1: damaging the population. But there's a hundred people that are like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll go, well, you gotta pick ten of them. So
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  Speaker 1: they picked ten of them by having a drawing, and
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  Speaker 1: now all hundred of those people sending an application, they
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  Speaker 1: send ten of them a tag. What happens the other
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  Speaker 1: ninety people, They say to them, but here's a consolation prize.
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  Speaker 1: You get a bonus point. So the next year, we
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  Speaker 1: do the same thing all over if you pay an
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  Speaker 1: extra two dollars give me. If you give us two
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  Speaker 1: dollars dollars or ten dollars or fifty years next year
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  Speaker 1: and we do this all over again, you'll get an
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  Speaker 1: extra point, meaning your name will be in the hat
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  Speaker 1: two times next year because you're a loyal customer. Ten
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  Speaker 1: years goes by. This guy is like, I still have
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  Speaker 1: a drawing in these damn tags. You're like, well, I
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  Speaker 1: guess what, buddy, your name goes in the hat now
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  Speaker 1: ten times because you've tried ten times. And that keeps
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  Speaker 1: some whipper snapper who hasn't been with the program and
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been participating from coming in and gobbling up tag
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  Speaker 1: out from under a guy who should be getting some
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  Speaker 1: preferential treatment for the fact that he's a return customer.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't Montana square them, not at first. Now they square them,
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  Speaker 1: so when I send my stuff in, I'm in there
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  Speaker 1: like fos, which I love the fact that you guys
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  Speaker 1: are like so excited about it, right because it's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh gosh, free here tomorrow. Okay, So, now, what's what's
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  Speaker 1: wrong with the system? You think it should be the
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  Speaker 1: young waper snappers come in and have the same rights
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  Speaker 1: as as a repeat die hard sticking to it, long
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  Speaker 1: time supporter conservationist conservationist. What I think is, once you
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  Speaker 1: draw a tag, you should be done if you are successful,
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  Speaker 1: so it's more of a once in a lifetime thing
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  Speaker 1: and then that just accomplishes. Okay, but that's not what
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about. Um. That was question number four on
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  Speaker 1: this topic. I believe, um. Yeah, And and I think
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  Speaker 1: this idea of like accruing points when everybody else is
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  Speaker 1: on the same points system and then everybody's points gets
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  Speaker 1: squared at the same time, and it's just adds a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of bureauq cradic crap to this system. The whole
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  Speaker 1: the systems bureaucratic. Yeah. By definition, it's put on by
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  Speaker 1: a bureau and then folks like me who just like
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  Speaker 1: to think about hunting in the outside and enjoying life
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  Speaker 1: have you started thinking about math in regards to you
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  Speaker 1: don't get to write down how many times you ought
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  Speaker 1: to be in there. Um. We were on a conversation today,
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  Speaker 1: right Sam Longern, And uh, he's like, yeah, it's the
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  Speaker 1: first year that I really gotten the nitty gritty And
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  Speaker 1: I started comparing all the units and all the bet
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  Speaker 1: and I found out that this one gives me a
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  Speaker 1: one point nine percent chance of rying. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: unit where I drew the tag. It's like, oh boy,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: that first you made me hate moose hunting, and then
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: you got a moose tag that great. Um, dude, To
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  Speaker 1: be honest with you, cow this is like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's in the best possible way, but the criticism you're
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  Speaker 1: given is like it just sounds like, um, what's the
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  Speaker 1: word I'm looking for, oldge whining. Oh listen, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna stand up there and say I'm the I'm the
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  Speaker 1: smart guy in the room for not buying into the system. Like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: everybody else, who'd I can walk off the bridge? They
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: saw somebody else walk off the bridge. Um, hey, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stages. Yeah, there's states they don't do
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  Speaker 1: it like they don't do it in Alaska, which is
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  Speaker 1: a great state to you know, do through the permit, Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: New Mexico, Wyoming, goats and Buffalo. Still, yeah, Montana for bison.
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  Speaker 1: My approach on it. They don't do bonus points for bison. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's as far as I know, it's all everyone in
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  Speaker 1: the same chance, which is a lottery, which is what
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  Speaker 1: pure lottery, which is what you prefer. Yeah, everyone's got
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  Speaker 1: the same chance. And you think the minute, let's say
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  Speaker 1: it is pure lottery, it's pure lottery. You think the
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  Speaker 1: minute someone goes in and reads the provided pamphlet, and
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  Speaker 1: the provided pamphlet gives you the percentage chances you'd have
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  Speaker 1: of drawing a tag, that not only ruins the draw
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  Speaker 1: but it ruins the hunting for that species. No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't like having that stuff forced upon me.
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  Speaker 1: And I've run into so many people in the hunting
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  Speaker 1: industry where it's like that's their brand, and it's like
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  Speaker 1: statistics and then the inches and then then and just
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  Speaker 1: you just want to go hunting, man, I just want
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  Speaker 1: to go hunting. That's why I pay attention to the drugs.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great way to get a lot of extra opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: Is looking at that little charge you if you're on
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  Speaker 1: the mark or not. You know, it's a it's an
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  Speaker 1: in good faith sense of entitlement too. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm a good guy and I help lots of
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  Speaker 1: people learn how to hunt, and I had faithfully apply
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  Speaker 1: every time, even though I think the system is god
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  Speaker 1: awful and terrible and Montana ruined it for no good
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  Speaker 1: reason halfway through my life. Um, I should just get
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  Speaker 1: one of those tags here one of these days. And
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  Speaker 1: it's just not what what is the why do they
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  Speaker 1: why do they do it? Like? What is the what? What? What?
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  Speaker 1: What's to gain from doing the system? They make more
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  Speaker 1: revenue somehow, Yeah they're they were making more revenue. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I bet One thing it does is it creates dudes
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  Speaker 1: like me who are damned, you're not gonna miss a
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  Speaker 1: year because you gotta get them points. Yeah, it's like
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: frequent flyer mentality. Yeah, you start being like, good thing,
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  Speaker 1: I'm flying somewhere. I'll get more frequent flyer status than
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  Speaker 1: true point system. You know, so we have a bonus point.
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  Speaker 1: But you know there's lots of one of the questions
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  Speaker 1: Colorado right where it's like, no, if the whole state.
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  Speaker 1: If you get X amount of points, you will draw
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  Speaker 1: this tag. Not necessarily if you get an x amount,
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  Speaker 1: but that you have more than anybody else. The only
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  Speaker 1: way it's true preference. If I have tann and you
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  Speaker 1: have nine, I would draw before you do. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the max point holders and and that stuff always bummed
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  Speaker 1: me out too, because I was like, so you're just
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  Speaker 1: telling me, do not apply to all of these opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: Explain point creepy. Then we gotta get to going. Here's
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  Speaker 1: what let me do that. Let this ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: you asked him, We answered a special question. Episode First,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna spend three hours have people air their grievance.
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  Speaker 1: Is about the fact that I put in the time
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  Speaker 1: and effort and money and drew a goat take. I'd
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  Speaker 1: be lying if I wasn't thinking, I'm like, man, I
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: hope that song Jeane loves jezz Bell? Who is that jealous?
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  Speaker 1: An avalanche sweep Steve Off like right about when he's
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: bought ready to touch that round off and then his
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  Speaker 1: kids are gonna be so bummed about hunting they'll never
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  Speaker 1: put in for a special draw tag that'll increase my
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  Speaker 1: odds that's his long play. Someone had to be compete
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: with them. Ornella kids explain Point Creep just just just
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  Speaker 1: because times in the Colorado and I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: other states have true preference Wyoming, Wyoming, maybe Arizona true preference. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'll explain it. But yeah, Arizona I think is more
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  Speaker 1: of a bonus system because I think you always have
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  Speaker 1: an actual chance. But in Colorado it's true preference, um,
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  Speaker 1: surprisingly only for deer and elk, not for the other ones. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: um there, it's more like a bonus point. But the
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  Speaker 1: preference point basically means that, um, if there are you know,
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  Speaker 1: ten applicants that all have the max points, which means
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  Speaker 1: they've been applying every year since the program started that
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  Speaker 1: and it might be I think these days it's getting
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  Speaker 1: up near thirty, isn't it close to thirty years have
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: been doing it. So those people that have max points
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: will draw first before the people that have one point
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: less than them, and so on down the line it goes.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And so in Point Creep there's so few tags and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: some of these units of these people with all these
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: points want that every year it takes one more point
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: to draw it, meaning that the max max point hold.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Their pool never gets it doesn't get satisfied. Yeah, so
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the guys are twenty five points. This year there was
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: twenty of them. They're not cleared off the docket, that's right.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: So the next year it takes twenty six The minimum
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: times you've explained is I never really understood it. Yeah,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the minimum just keeps going up every year. It used
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to be because you're not like, oh now, like you're
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: sitting on nineteen points, You're like, oh now, all the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: twenty point guys are gone because they got their ship.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: They're not gone. And it's gonna come down to how
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: big that pool of people is. Because if it is
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: what I'm explaining, like ten tags and twenty people in
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the max bonus point pool, sure it'll only take two
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: years to pull them out and it would drop down
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to the next one. Right, So every other year you
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: kind of reset a little bit. But I think some
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of those there's people that have there's hundreds of people
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: that have max bonus points. So it depends on where
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: this point, yeah, max preference points, So it depends on
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: where they're putting their energy, and you know where they're applying.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I'd like folks to know Um, folks out there sitting
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: who are thinking like cal who are like, jeez, Louise,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: really that there's a couple of states dry desert states,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: dry desert states that they just have low populations, low
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: wildlife populations, and high populations of people. So you go
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: like Arizona and you have like the Phoenix area right
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City or in Utah, so you got like
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: big population centers, dry climate, not tons of egg necessarily,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that's not tons of farming that supports high wildlife numbers. Anyhow,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: there's some states out there where a lot of hunting
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: opportunities are tied to drawing permits like that. You could
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you could feasibly be a resident one of these states
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and not really draw and have a year where you
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: don't get a good opportunity to hunt big game. No,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: that can happen for the most part that we're talking
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: about is like elite group of hard player type stuff,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: meaning UM, most states of there's all kind of stuff
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: you can hunt. You go down to the gas station,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you buy your permits. We're to be talking about UH
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: states to allocate either like a certain species which are
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: not abundant species UM, and they'll allocate hunts that way,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: or certain areas where a state will carve off a
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: little chunk of of itself and be like, this is
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: gonna be an area where we're gonna really limit how
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: many people can hunt there, and uh um, and try
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: to like grow extra big specimens of animals in this
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: area and create like this really amazing experience. And so
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do a permit draw allocation here. But this
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: is not what it takes to do all this, And
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: there are plenty of people that hunt their asses off
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: every year that don't do these permit draws. But once
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you get into them, I find it's fun just for
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: its own sake. I view it as something even more
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: than a means to an end, just like Cal hates um,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Like I actually like I. I take enjoyment in it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: It feels like it feels like gambling, but I don't
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like to gamble. Yeah, so be if Trump wins, I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: win four bucks. Hard player. When Steve says hard player,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: this is a group of hard players, elite group of
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: hard players, like a craps table, I didn't say this
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: is a group or there may be one or two
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: at the craps table that you'd call an athlete, whereas
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the rest you're just sitting there smoking and they're like
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: rolling dice. Yeah, yeah, it's a system. Yeah, you can
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: become a guy that counts cards, not the count cards
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and crap. What's the what's the craps what's the craps
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: version what I'm trying to say, you know the odds. Yeah,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you could be like a real an elite hard player
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and and get a lot of value out of the system.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Or you could be a guy who just sits down
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and wants to have a free drink and lose some
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: money and and and wind up coming away feel a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: little burned open. Steve slides down a mountain. But I'll
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: point out this is the after all these years, Okay,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: this this is the first I've been applying since let's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: say Extra Safe because I didn't do it, and no,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't apply as non resident or you know, this
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: is the first time I drew one of these things
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: in all these years. Okay, It's not like I'm not
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: like the guy cleaning up in the pit. Boss is
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: like calling up to the up floor to have washed
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: me through the camera. Like I'm just a dude, man,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I'm a dude grinding it out, and I would think
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: that you would be happy do one last quick thing.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Tell uh seth, tell tell everyone what Rick Smith's observation
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: was the other day. My favorite sentence of all time.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Oh he uh. He says, how can it be cold
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: outside when my balls are still claiming? Yes? Great question. Um.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I modified it to be like sweaty, but that's what
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: he was getting at. And it's like, it's like, I
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, right, that is a really good question.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I don't understand it either. Cal. I'm sure it was
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a little um sarcastic too. But in your little in
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the email he sent back, when you're when you were
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: all pissy about not drawing anything, you're also telling all
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of us out of state or to pack our bags
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and go home to increase your odes. I should amend
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: that because you don't have to apply. It should be
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: a birthright. Yeah, I've never seen anyone say that on
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a social media post. During this quarantine thing, I was laughing.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, go, you'd build a wall around the state. Yeah,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: put people back to work, Mr Trump, build that m
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: pro wall just not down there. Yeah, whether waste on
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that waste on that walling material. I got a way
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: shorter border. Okay, question, do you spike by spikes? He's
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: saying spikes. Do you know that there was a there
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: was an ice fishing bait called spikes in Michigan? You
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: know what? Do you get? Um? Raise? You haven't? You
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: know what a spike is? Ice fishing? Yeah, a waxy
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: A wax worm is like a you know, little larva.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: The hell it from? I knew it once once upon
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: a time. A waxworm. A spike is one of those
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that has a tail on it, or mousies. Yeah, we
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: call the mousies mouse's and spikes. It look like it's
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: like with a little mouse. It looks like a little
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it's a maggot with a tail, and you'd call it
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a spike or a mousey. But this guy when he
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: says do spikes always stay spikes? He's talking to spike bucks.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: So a buck that throws two pencil antlers, do they
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: always stay spikes? Is it beneficial to kill them over
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a big buck because of poorer jeans? Uh? No? And no, no,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: they do not always stay spikes. And the next year
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: they'll grow a different angler. And two, it's been proven
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: conclusively that if a buck that's a spike that does
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: not indicate his destiny as a buck. That's right. He
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: will not always be like a little dank back. He's
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: got just a much chance, just like a little small
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: second grade kid. You can't say, oh, you'll always be,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you know, a little small kid. Yeah, I found a
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: spike elk Antler on the ground here yesterday, did you really? Yeah,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: it's a nice one too, are really cool? Yeah, they're cool. Oh,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: probably fourteen inches yeah. Um. The uh, the reason that
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: some units have spike like spike specific tags is, uh,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: they find that it increases the health of the herd
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: over time. But it's based off of the fact that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you're taking an animal out of the group that's kind
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: of voted nature has voted it most likely to die anyway.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: It's in that age class of not making it out
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of the the learning curve yet m m. Yeah. And
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: it allows you way to kill. It gives you a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: way to kill younger bulls at all, killing too many
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: younger bulls because it's like you'd be that you know
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that you might only have x percentage out of the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: population are going to be that way anyway, Yeah, that
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: they're even gonna be eligible to be hunted. Yeah, if
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you ever get the opportunity to look over a big
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: elk herd, try to pick out all the spikes. Yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I'm talking. A lot of guys have drawn spike tags
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and they're thinking they're just gonna be waiting around through spikes.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: But you're reviewing your mind. Man, It's like you go
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a long time without having to spike in front of you.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not like there is everywhere a lot
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of places they're protected. You can't shoot them. Yeah. Who
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: highlighted best advice for hunting public lands and pressured areas?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Question mark? Did I do that? Oh? I did? It
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: seems like a very broad Well I was gonna narrow
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: it down to a tip. I'll give a tip. I
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: think everyone should offer a tip. It doesn't need to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: be broadly applicable, but just a tip that comes to mind.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Hunting public lands and pressured areas my tip, and it's
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: not applicable to all situations, but it's a way of thinking.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Is there are ways those not ideal to be in
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: a high pressured area with a lot of other hunters
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: competing with you. Um, but my tip is ask yourself,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: think about are there ways that I could make this
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: pressure work for me. Um, I've seen that happen like
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: places where when all hell breaks loose on opening day.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that these deer are gonna blank
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: right and make it work for you and have it
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: make it be part of your plan. Yeah, yeah, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: like that. The pressure were used to duck hunt in
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a spot every year, open day of duck season, the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Mouskegan Marsh. Your success relied on there being tons of
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: people in the marsh. You got good shooting all day
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: long if you hunt it over to stream channels and
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: stuff because people's bump birds all day and then tend
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: in the morning, everybody decided to go home, and it
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: really heats up because everybody gets in the riverboat and
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: gets out in the main channel to drive the riverboat back,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and they put all the ducks back up in the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: air again, and it was like you needed it to
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: be high pressure, which leads me to my hot tip
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: go ahead, would be get up earlier or get up later.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: So you either beat everyone out there by getting up
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: really early, or you sleep in and you get out
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: there about ten am and wait for them to get
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: out of there. Wait for them to get out uh
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and you may catch some animals moving because they know
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the schedule of the bulk of the hunting population. So
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: my tip would be too, there's a lot of surveys
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: out there, like collar like where they're collaring animals in
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: high pressured areas. Just see what you're doing. And uh,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: oftentimes those surveys revealed that like say a big white
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: tail buck is hanging out hundred fifty yard hundred hunter
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: fifty yards from the parking lot because everyone's walking right
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: past it. You know, Yeah, we had that. We had uh,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the turkey Master, Mike Chamberlain Mayor, they had this turkey
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: that couldn't be killed. He would even send people out
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and tell them because they were studying how this turkey
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: couldn't be killed. He'd send people out and say, here's
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: what the turkey has. Go try to get him. They
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: won't be able to get him. Eventually, a guy gets
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: in the fight with his wife, drives down the road,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: parks at the parking area at the state where the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: check station, walks over the hill of the pout and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: kills that turkey. There's overlooked areas, overlooked spot. No one
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: was hunting the parking lot. A guy that I hunted
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: elk with when I was just starting out our tree hunting.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Real goofy dude, really real fun guy. Um, but that
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: was his thing. Like you would drive up to the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: parking lot at the trailhead or whatever his spot was
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: on the side of the road, you know, slam corridors,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: be talking. And then the second his boot went from
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: gravel to dirt, his body went into creep mode and
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: he had his cow call in his mouth it was
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I need wait and listen. And he hunted from I
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: mean from basically the truck door on like the the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: second he pivoted from away from the truck door, he
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: was hunting. And and that has definitely served me well.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: But not just to blow pass all the stuff that
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: everybody else must be. Yeah, yeah, my tip would be
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to uh, no that country better than everybody else walking
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: a lot, criss cross it, no every little draw at
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: what every little ridge top looks like, and just really
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: commit the landscape to your memory, not just in hunting season.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Probably sure, well, yeah, that's probably not the time I'd
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: be walking around it. Uh, That's the time I'd be
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: hunting it, you know. But I think, yeah, enough people
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: don't like just no their landscape well enough so that
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: they can be standing anywhere on their pressured land and
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: just know exactly what it looks like on the other
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: side of the ridge or two ridges over, which leads
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to knowing places like no matter how much pressure a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: unit is getting, there's it's still gonna be places that
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: aren't getting hunted just because of the way the landscape
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: lays out, or where the trails lead or the roads leads.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: So look for spots to go into where you're bushwhacking,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you know, don't use trails, and and find places to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: access country that's not getting accessed easily by a bunch
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of other hunters. Well, joe ye, who's right? Sometimes, Oh man,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: it just is hard. I think like staying optimistic, which
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: is hard too, is that that's just hard. It's hard.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: That's the reality. Absolutely, Okay. Strategy for when turkeys are
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: calling back but not coming in, which I feel like
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it is that that's called turkey hunting. That's most days,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: that's turkey hunting. That's what turkey hunting is. It's you
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: hear a bird call and then lowland, then lo and
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: behold it does not come in. Um, we we walked
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: away from some birds this year, um and called and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: then they there are three of them. They turned and
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: decided now was the time to come. They like ran
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: back right back into our exact same spots that we
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: have been calling from. Oh you left the spot yep,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: So birds were across this draw. It was way too
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: wide open going to come in to do anything. So
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, let's just set up and call.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: We call and call, and they're chatting and kind of
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: shutting up for a while, and then looked to call
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: again and then they're like, oh, this just is not
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: gonna happen, So get up, walk up on top of
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the ridge, which was only about seventy five yards probably
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: call again, and then you know, it was just the
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: response was like, well, now we're coming. They gobbled back
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and look and I could see these three black dots
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: just kind of like charging far away. Yeah. Is their
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: mood changes? Yeah, and just and ran right back up
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: into our same previous butt divots in the grass. And
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: three minutes later that tom was right there with a
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: m because they felt you were leaving, I guess yeah,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: or maybe they could hear us better because we got
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: up a little bit higher. I do not know, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: it that's sure change their tune coincidence to you know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: absolutely decide to come sometimes I don't know. I like
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I like to change angles on them when they're when
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: they're doing that, if possible. Well, after you left me
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: in around Miszool last week, I listened to some birds
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: gobble for an hour are over on private and I
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't gonna suck him over, so I just walked away.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: At that point, you can't swing around on him. But
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: had they been doing the same thing, I was able
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: to go over there. I would have just you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: come at him from degrees the other direction, you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: try to get in front of him. If whatever the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: way they're moving, I think if you can, if you
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: if you determine to that bird is moving like you
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: just out cruising, which still due man, it was like
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: late morning mill of the day they moved one. You
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: think that you get all excited because he's traveling around Goblin.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: So we're like, well, this bird is good as debt
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: because he's obviously out looking for hands, you know. But
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: it's like he's he is, but he's doing something different
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to which I'll never fully understand. But that does not
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: necessarily mean he's going to come in. But sometimes if
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you can get ahead of him, it can change. We
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: called him one this year. This thing was just God
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: when God, when God, when God, when we were behind it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Eventually it's slowed down and started messing around long enough
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: for us to pass him up. And then he came
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: right in when it was kind of more not following them,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: chasing them, but came in, um Man. I don't know
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: different angles getting in their zone more. I think that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: there's I've talked about this a bunch. I don't know
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: if it's true or not, but it feels true to me,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: is that there's like, uh, there's a proximity where they
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: sort of can't they don't want to ignore you. You
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: know they're gonna do something, maybe you get maybe they're
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: gonna spook or not. But like you get into a
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: certain ring around them, they just perceived their area differently.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And I've had I can think of a few times
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: in my life where they're just gobbling and gobling and
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: you're calling their gobling gobling and nothing, and then you
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: somehow creep into some where it just can't ignore you.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And also and then they'll like pop over right because
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you got so close they can't ignore you. Uh. Also
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: we this this just the other day. We just came
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: back the next day. Yep, I had a bird. It
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: was just seemed like unworkable. And came back the next
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: day and just kind of took what we learned from
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the day before, walked away from him, could have stayed
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: out and ha asked him, walked away from him with
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the plane like, let's come back in the morning. Came
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: back in the morning. Um, and it just was different.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I don't different mood, so I'm different happening the next day,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: like had him just totally in our area, hanging out,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: got him. And the day before he was like the
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: impossible turkey, you know, like the one like nightmares are
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: made up right, It's just like But then the next morning,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, he's like read it roll I like uh,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I like uh making noises that turkeys would make other
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: than calling, like scratching the duff, making it sound like
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: there's turkeys there, you know, because like you hear turkeys
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: in the woods walking around and doing ship without them
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: making a sound, so like make it sound like a turkey.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: They made a lot of scratching noise and weird little sounds.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Vocal weird little vocalizations. Yeah, so that like the back
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: can fourth. That can get pretty exhausting. Like I call,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: then you call, are you called? And I call. I
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: had two birds this weekend where this was going on
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and on and on. It was in the evening, and
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I was getting pretty paranoid that they were just gonna
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: turn and head for their roost wherever that was because
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I hadn't found it, um And this was taken a
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: long time, And eventually they gobbled again and I just
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: hit him like three times in a row with a
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: yelpylp yelp, yelpylp, yelpilp yelp, And all of a sudden,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: they were right in the spot where I couldn't shoot them,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: but like three yards away. The Tom's totally strutted up
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, ninety degrees over my left shoulder. Yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: try changing your calls, up, your call sequence up, give
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: them something different. I'm also developing this theory about turkeys.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I've been developing it for a while. It's not fully developed,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: um is. I think there's something going on where you
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: got like if you imagine a turkey, you picture that
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: all he's thinking about is sowing his seed. What she's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: thinking about and that he views everything is being a
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: prelude to him sowing his seed. But I don't know
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: however they're wired. I'm starting to feel that turkeys find
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: some value, they get some satisfaction out of just studying
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: and gobbling, like that is to them an okay way
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: to spend a day. Do you know what I mean? Like,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think like when you when you get a
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: turkey and he comes in and he's seventy five yards
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: away and he's just gobling and having a hell of
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: a time a goblin and strutting and he doesn't come in,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you won't be like, oh I messed it up. Oh
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I spooked him out of six times, Like he doesn't
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: know what happened. He's just like just doing his thing
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: that he to him, that was a totally normal interaction.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: He gobbled a bunch, he strutted all around, he like
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: did his thing, and the hen never came. Yeah, he
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: walked off and it was like he's like he walked
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: off happy, and it's like it's not like you blew
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: because then you want to be like, oh I blew it,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: shut this and should that. But the turkey is probably
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: that was great. That's my mental conversation every time. It's like,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: oh I got too close. Oh I give this too far.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: If I'd only called that one more like after I
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: called made him gobble like eighty five times. If I'd
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: only called that one more time, he would have come in.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like no, in his mind, he was
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: a great morning. He there's a there's a hand over
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: there by God, like I buy it. I just didn't
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: go over there. I'd throw another tip out there that
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the purest won't like the purest callers, he can always
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: try sneaking in and bush whacking them too. That's how
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: That's how sound happened me the other day. But I
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: mean that's how I killed my first couple of turkeys.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And I had no confidence in raise your hand. If
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: you didn't kill your first turkey by bushwhacking, no hands
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: are Oh. That was our strategy and it still works.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Busha him especially, spot and stock him. Yeah, binoculars and
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: be like, dude, the minute he goes down that ditch,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: run totally man. And we had a lot of success
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: like that. It's not nearly as fun their day. This
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: kind of weird thing to happened where the other day
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I wound up, We got set up in the morning,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: and I wound up having a turkey. I'm not joking
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: because I range found it like I wound up with
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: a turkey closer to me in a tree than my
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: decoy straight up above the basis, neck sticking out, and
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I was like you, I didn't. I didn't. If I'd
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: been there with my kid, I you probably would have
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: been able to talking me into it. But I didn't
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: shoot them down out of the tree. But legal to
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: do it here. My understanding is, I don't know my
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: kid would have been putting an enormous amount of pressure
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: on you know, you shoot squirrels out of tree, Get
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: that bird out of that tree. I didn't do it.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Someone else grab one. Are broken socks considered better or
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: worse than the traditional flip flop. I'm not recommending burken stocks,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: but it'll be better than a traditional flip flop for sure.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: For if like a hunting sort of application, Oh yeah,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. If I had to hunt my regular flippies,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: or I could wear burks, which I don't own, I'd
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: go burks like the hip time with the corks flip
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: flops aren't very quiet because of the flip and the flop,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: and Burks are not going to expect the gun. They
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: through the woods and they're gonna be like, is he
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: gonna do? I don't recommend hunting either of them, but
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: know what he's saying, if if you have to go
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: with the Burkes. Uh, why do Red rock Crab get
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: such a bad rap compared to Dungeoness Crab? You know,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Our kids were picking
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: them up left and right last summer. Remember, I don't
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: know that the yield is less, the shells are harder
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: to crack and pick um, but that they're perfectly great.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I was at that Willows Restaurant, which is like this
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: world famous restaurant on Lummy Island and Puget Sound, um,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and they get all their stuff from around there, you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: and they make this crazy stuff. It's really good. You
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: kind of got to go there and spend the night
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: and eat there, and it takes all damn night to
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: eat there. He does a lot of stuff, the Rock Crab, Yeah,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I love them. When we were grabbing and Jesse Griffithshore
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: likes him. Remember that we're of stones are rocks stones,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: that's a way different crab. Or did we get some
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: rocks with Jesse? Are you talking about Jesse? Are you
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: talking about Jesseffs? We're trying to get stones because he
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: he did red rock. But with Jesse we were we
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: got stones, we were after stones, but no, we're after blues.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: To the one you can just keep the claws yelled up.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I think they're great. I think that. Um. There's also
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: thing that happens where people have notions that they picked
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: up from people that had notions, and they picked up
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: those notions from people that had notions and none of
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: the notions matter. It's sort of like how antelope don't
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: taste good? How muled you're not as good as white tail?
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no no no. We've just
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: dumb stuff people say, like trafficking and dump stuff. I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: like stuff you don't. I mean, you don't even have
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: to trap those things. You just wait around and grab
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: them grab. There is something to be said for an
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: easy to pick crab. Though. Here's a great question, what
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the notion of Pleistocene rewilding. I
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: think it is a complete waste of time. It's fun
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: to think about I'm not interested Plistocene rewilding. Uh, free
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: folks at home, is that you would um either re
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: You would either through genetic wizardry, um bring back right
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: like clone from whatever ship melting out of the perma frost.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: That you would clone extinct ice age mammals from the
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Plistocene um fauna and and cut them back loose. And
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: some people are like, oh the hell with that. What
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: you do is you just go get the closest approximation
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: it's still running around and cut that loose. So with
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: that thinking, you'd say, like, man is are gone, but
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: let's go get some African elephants and cut those loose
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: on the Great Plains. And they used to have horses
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: here during the plies of scenes, So we'll go get
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: horses from Siberia or Mongolian, cut those loose and on
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: down the line, and you put all the jump back
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: to make it look like it looked a long time ago. Uh.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's a distraction. You have fun distractions. Fun distraction.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I think that we should spend our efforts. Uh. If
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna make the goal, it comes down to
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: like if you're gonna make the goal, like the goal
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: is to look like X. I just don't think you
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: need to go back thirteen thousand years and have that
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: be the goal. Yeah, I mean so of a huge
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: argument for this rewilding right is to limit the amount
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: of greenhouse gases that are being released out of the
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: perma frost. And that's because you're in a lot of
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: these areas you have this in approachment of trees, willows
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: brush that um was not there when all this place
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: to scene fauna was out there, because they actively deforested
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: the area. So like bison, wooly mammoth, the horses, uh,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: the different bovine species, they would be hell on trees
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: just like you see, if you have any of those
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: animals in your area, or the current approximations of them,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: they'd rub up on trees and they kill trees like
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: elephants and drafts and whatnot. You know, elk and elk
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: or hell on small trees too, and they do it
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: to a certain degree. Um. Anyway, you expose that ground
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: and it gets a deeper frost, and that's what's keeping
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: the the perma frost. Yeah, I've read that. I've read
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: that argument for for rewilding the tundra, for rewilding. Then
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: there was a movement to rewild the Great Plains, and
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: that's just for for funzies, just people have Yeah, probably
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: they had like little summits about it, little conventions, and
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: it was that you'd bring in like woll the American
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: lion has gone, so we'll get an African lion. The
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: wooly rhino has gone. We'll just get a regular rhino,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: maybe a zebra, I don't know now, and just started
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: calling stuff loose. So it looked like you did a
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: long time ago. It's beyond fancy, Like these people the
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: right whole damn books about this rewilding. Yeah, but I
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: guess that I'm all into rewilding. I don't know they
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: need to rewild till like a time we didn't understand.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I think you just like in my mind, like if
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be like, what's the benchmark, Like the benchmark
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: would be in my mind, the time of European contact. Yeah,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: I guess if there was a purpose though, like a
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: contemporary example at as Anthony Lacotta and I are hiking
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: on this region Sonora, and as you guys know, and
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: for those who don't like there's cactus and big things
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: with needles and nettles and really thick brush everywhere. Um,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: but it's pretty darn open on this ridge because and
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: there's cow crap everywhere, like domestic cattle crap everywhere. And
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Lakada says, he's like, man, I'd love to see this
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: place without the cattle and see what would be like
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: so you'd be back to But I was like, man,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: looking at this place, I would almost guarantee you there's
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: no possible way we could walk on this ridge of
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: line if there were no cattle, because those cattle are
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the reason that this area is opening up, opened up
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: enough for us to cruise through here. And it's probably
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: to a degree, you know, letting in enough sunlight to
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: grow grass and stuff like that. And if you went
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: back to the mid hundreds or whatever to be as
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: far back as you have to go to get pre cattle,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: because you know, the cattle ban running there since since
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: the fift hundreds, Um, there was probably a hell of
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: a lot more larger befores on the ground. Yeah, yeah,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I would. Yeah, I would think I'm kind of becoming
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: like the older I get, the more I'm becoming kind
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: of like a cattle apologist. Man. I found myself being
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: a cattle apologist. The other day, it was driving down
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the road in front of my man the sure destroyed
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: the river banks, and I was just thinking, maybe, yeah,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: but I mean we keep talking about I mean, I
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: know they did. They had like more of a rotational
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and migrated and all that, but like buffalo around the
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: river banks, they pound it and then they'd be gone
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: for a year or whatever. But I just like, I
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: don't know that the whole I don't know that the
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: whole answer to solving all of our problems. If it
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: was just we just got rid of the cat, we
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: just have a whole bunch of more houses. Yeah, well,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, good, well grazed ground. You know it
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: was great for a ton of different bird species. You
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: gotta have those different heights of grass for um invertebrate life,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: which is important for the poults. Then, you know, we
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: just like to think of things so in such a
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: binary way. Exactly. Well, it's with cattle or without you,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: with guy or without guy, because you go to places
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: that are just new to you go a place that
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: they are way over grazed. Um. Yeah, it can be
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: like there's like people who make mistakes or bad actors.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: But there's also people who you know, run cattle like
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: very responsibly and and and it's not is some people
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: would let you believe that. It's just like if it
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: was only we can only get rid of cattle, it
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: would be like the earth would blossom. You know. I
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: think it's a little bit too simplistic. I agree. Ah.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I remember being out with a guy one time. He
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: used to do uh, he used to do He used
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: to run lease programs from BLM. And we're up in
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: a elk Meadal and he was saying, if if I
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: got called up here and cattle had done what these
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: helk done, Because if I got called up here in
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: cattle done this, I'd had to have a talk with
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: this guy. It's like that bombed out that bombed out
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: by must have been a good spot. It was just
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: spot ready going in calf, you know, and it's hundreds
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: of them hanging out in there, just yeah pawed up.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: And you know he was, I mean, he's making a joke,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: but you get you get the point of the joke. Yeah,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Where I don't get where it is extremely bad. It's
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: like right now it's going on in South America where
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: they're just chopping large chunks of the rainforest to make
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: land for cattle to graze on. That's problematic in a
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of levels. But yeah, I mean that's the
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: thing though, Right, It's like, do you want cattle? You
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: don't want cattle? Well, I want well managed cattle. Is
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: that an option? Nope, it's not an option. It's all none.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a move point because there's no world
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: in which we're not going to have cattle, right, So
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's like, like, well, let's go back. Can
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: you imagine this place before? Man, It's like nope, and
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: nobody else can, like didn't didn't exist for our Okay,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: who's gonna grab the next question? I want to hear
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: your guys thoughts on the how safe is it to
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: eat raccoons? I I highlighted that one, and not because
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I know how safe it is to eat raccoons, but
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I was talking a little bit with Clay Nukem about it,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: and uh, He's explained to me that there are like
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: if you're worried about I think a lot of people
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: are scared of raccoons and eating raccoons because they show
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: shape them with dumpster diving, where raccoon in the wild
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: is not really the dumpster diver that say, he's not
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: a scavenger for the most part. Who cares if he is? Well,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I think that scavengers tend to taste worse because they're
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: eating rotten meat. You know. Yeah, well, like for instance,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: for him, buddy mine on his wall has this huge
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: pig skull and he's a California guy and he's like that,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, that's a big pig skull. Where
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: did you get that? Thinking it'd be like Texas or something.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: It's got a big tuss. He's like, that's a California pig.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: He's like, that's the biggest California pig I've ever ever gotten.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: And uh I was like, oh, yeah, what's the story
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: on that. It's like, well, uh, not much. I came
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: around the corner, it was head down feeding, jumped out
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: shot it went up there, and it was faced down
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: in a pile of dirty diapers. And he did not
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: eat that pig. Yeah like that okay, that kind of
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: dumpster diving shirt. Uh yeah, I've at raccoon. I don't know.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: It's just like it's like a we just cooked it
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: every which way. Imaginable. Um, I think the only legitimate
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: health concern would be I think that they not thinking
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: they'd be tricking noses carriers. What about rabies? They are
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: known can get rabies from meat in the meat, if
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: you cook it. Yeah, I think that's a lot of
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: people's worried though. I think a lot of people associate
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: raccoons with rabies. You want to let me tell you something.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Check this out in our book we're doing um our
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: wilderness skills, Our wilderness Skills and survival book that we're doing. Yeah,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: me and Brody writer's cramp? Do I have writer's cramp?
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Dude hammering? Hammering? Anyways, check this out. This is in
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: our book. Se of the rabies cases in this country
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: come from what critter? Domestic cats, skunks, rats that globally
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: guess what percent? Guess what percent comes from dogs globally? Oh, globally,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: way over of rabies cases are attributed to domestic dogs
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: in the US, because we treat the ship out of dogs, bats, raccoons, foxes,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and offer high up. The CDC is saying that, um,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: you can't get it from non bite exposures like scratches, abrasions,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: are open wounds that are exposed to salive or or
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: other potentially infectious material from a rabid animal. Other types
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: of context, such is petting um coming in contact with
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: blood urine her feces of a rabid animal are not
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: associated with risk for infection. So I think that eating
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: the meat would fall under the ladder. Yeah, because it's bacteria,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: you're gonna cook it. Virus But yeah, I'm sorry, you're
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: gonna cook it. Yeah, Um, yes, they don't go messed
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: around in the raccoon's mouth. Yeah, so you got the
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: chance tricking else has got the chance of getting rabies
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: from handling raccoons. But once you cook him, I think
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: you're fine. But when we cooked to make it good,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: we did it every which way. We had Bo Jackson
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: on this show, like the athlete, famous athlete. He talks
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: about he's got he's got good record raccoon recipes. Clay
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: knucom spelled Newcomb but pronounced nukemb um Clay nukelem. How's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: how's Clay cook him? Uh? You know, I don't think
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: he's done. He's eating it too much. I think he
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: was telling us that for the first time. Another fellow
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: that he's been hanging with came over and made some
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: uh you like this street tacos out of that raccoon
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: d tacos for him and uh he said it was delicious.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: So I think some sort of a bras ing. Yeah,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: you know, it's probably similar to black bear, I'm sure man.
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  Speaker 1: When we when we had it, we braised it. I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: think we braised it then grilled. It's braised to get
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: it tender. When I get my first coun I'm definitely
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: eating that thing. Oh yeah. And the old day is
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: like an old book. It's people are eyes soaking it
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: in vinegar and then cooking it. It's like in the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: old days you take your dog out for raccoons. Is
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: that where you're you're fixing on? Maybe I need to
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: start getting them after something. There are quite if I've
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of raccoons on this streets dead
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: around here lately. I've I've seen that too. I know
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: it's a yeah yeah yeah, but no, I was gonna
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: go down and chase them with clay and newcom Arkansas.
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  Speaker 1: Very cool. Next, get ready for the next. One. Best
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  Speaker 1: way to cook small mouth bass. I think the best
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: way to cook smallmouth bass is to make a sandwich
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: out of it. A fish sandwich, like how they make
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  Speaker 1: down floor it everywhere you take the fish, you flay
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: the fish, get the flayoff, skin the flay, and then
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: you do John Gary's signature zipper pinbone removal technique, which
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I think we talked about one of our books. I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: can't really explain it. Over there, picture you got a
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: small mouth of flay land there. It's skinned, but skin
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: side up, so what would be the skin side up?
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  Speaker 1: And you feel in the middle of the flay running
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: like laterally you'll feel that little line of pinbones running
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: down there. You get to the end of that little
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: so you move from the front part of the flay
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: towards the tail and you feel that little line of
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  Speaker 1: pin bones ends. Then you caught a little V through
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  Speaker 1: the flay right at that point, and then you grab
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  Speaker 1: it like you're opening a zipper, and that little that
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: little V tab is your zipper pole and you grab that.
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  Speaker 1: You see me do this, yeh, because it works on
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: rock fish too. You grab that and pull it like
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: you're opening the zipper, and all those pinbones come out connected.
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  Speaker 1: Then it's the perfect sandwich size. You get a hoggie
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  Speaker 1: roll that's like the exact same size as your small mouth,
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  Speaker 1: and you bread and fry that flay and you put
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  Speaker 1: it on your hoggie roll with um pickles, onion, lettuce.
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  Speaker 1: Saracha is am I saying that right? Yeah, saracha sounds great.
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  Speaker 1: We used to not do that. We used to put
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  Speaker 1: mayo and stuff on it, but then I got it
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  Speaker 1: to putting the sarach on it. Man's a good sandwich.
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  Speaker 1: We we had it. We Matt Elliott, who you know,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: competitive uh bass fisherman? What do you call it when
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: you call him? Not quite pro amateur competitive bass angler?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Like small mouth specialist, And we went small mouth fishing,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: and that's some much should never eat in a small mouth.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: We made him a sandwich. He enjoyed it. He said
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: he didn't want his wife to eat one of those
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: sandwiches because she would wonder what he'd been doing all
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: that time, letting all those small mouths go. Another term
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that you love on the half shell. No, I like
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: him because all I'm doing is not I'm just de
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: scaling the filet. So you take take your filet, throw
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: that thing. I put a little salt on there and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: just put it on indirect heat on the barbecue and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: in a about six minutes. You can grab that thing
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: and hook your thumbnail into the flat, into the skin, sorry,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: into the skin, and give it a shake, and that
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: whole side of meat will just slide right off the skin,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: right onto your plate, and it is beautiful and delicious.
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  Speaker 1: My childhood fishing mentor would cook large mouth bass flays
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: that way. I've eaten one large mouth. He would soak.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: He'd take the skin off, solk it and milk. Not nice. Sorry,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: leave the skin on, take the flay off, leave the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: skin on, soak it in the bath of milk, which
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: is a big thing where I grew up putting stuff
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: in milk all the time. Then grill it. Yeah, what
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: is I know There's been articles and stuff written, but
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I've never dunked anything. I feel I don't. It's like
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: it's hard to explain. This is supposed to like pull
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: blood out of that. I feel that it did. It
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: diminishes if you gotta fish. It has like a muddy,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: weedy kind of taste. I'd hate to go up in
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: front of like a scientific committee on this or something,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: or like clastify the Congress about it, but I feel
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: that it takes the muddy weedingness away. From stuff there.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I just said it. I feel as though that's true,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: and what I feel is all that matters. If I
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: feel that it's true, it must be. I'm sure it
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: helps when you're like, well, I just committed a half
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: gallon of milk to this, so something's gonna happen. Okay,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: here's a great question. No one's gonna know the answer
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: to this, but we can speculate on it. Can you
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: trap Burmese pythons with three three kind of bears? I'm
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: not on this one. Uh yeah, I think that you'd
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: run into a lot of problems of to use. Okay,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: in setting three thirty conno bears, you are needing to channel.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: You're either needing to like read sign real good, so
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: you know right where that animal you're trying to catch
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: is going. The thing most commonly caught with three thirties,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: using for wolverines and whatnot, but mostly people catch beavers
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: with three thirties, and beavers really tell you where they
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: want to go by the sign they leave. They dig canals,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: they have runs, they have entrance ways into their lodges,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: all these ways in which you can look and be like, man,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: the beaver's gonna go here for sure, and you set
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: the three three there and low and behold he passes
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: through there and you got them. I don't know how
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: you would channel or funnel a python live bait, put
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: a little rabbit or a mouse inside a cage, and
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: or maybe get some pheromone, because you know those males
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: are hunting the females. You're not gonna catch him behind
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the behind the ears. That's the other thing is you
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: might It might just it might just not be. It's
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: gotta I think it's got to be the right side python.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot would go right through a
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: three if you had so when you're setting a three thirty,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys want to set you said it
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: so that the triggers around the bottom facing up, not
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: up facing down. But if there's any kind of current
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: or whatever now and then you gotta put it triggers
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: facing down because the current trip it. But all all
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: things equal, people like to put the triggers on the
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: bottom so that then it don't mess the hair up
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: when the when the trigger components are against its back
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: after it gets sprung. I think with a python, you
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: don't want to do like you want to position the triggers,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: like you're doing an otter proof set where the triggers
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: are bent low so anything can pass through triggers on
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: the bottom. So he just crawls over and snacks it.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: But I feel like, man, I don't know if you
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: hold onto him, I don't know, he might just sliver
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: around out of there. I don't know. I think you'd
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: hold onto him, and just I don't know if I
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: wonder if he'd probably still be alive when you got there. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: And the problem is you miss a set on a
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: python that while the old bugger you'll never catching again,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: you'll get traps, trap shot, trap shot on you. Besides
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: boots and optics. What is the one thing not to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: cheap out on for a Western hunt pack? Mm hmm, okay, yep,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Well I thought about that earlier when I read read
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: the question, because I was thinking, Man, if you do
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: get something down, you don't get something down if you're
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: actually going and packing in, if you're gonna do like
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: say you're gonna carry more than thirty forty pounds, you
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: can pack in overnight. Boy, an ill fitting pack is
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: can really make ship out of your time out there.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: You don't jumped at me when I saw it. What
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I got to thinking about, um, sleeping bags that too,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: was a lot of people always getting all cold, man,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: sure cold, and then to show up with a ten
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: pound bag, which you know, out of your forty pounds,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: boy you are, it's a quarter of your weight. People
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: getting cold and people have an enormous bags. What you
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: get when you spend money on a good bag is
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: you want a good, super puffy bag that's lightweight and
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: scrunches up. And that takes money. I don't I don't
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: know enough about sleeping bag manufacturing to understand why. But
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: that takes money. That takes a lot of money. You
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: can make a big, giant bag that doesn't poof up
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: and it's warm. You make a real cold little bag
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: that does poof up this warm, but a big but
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: a warm bag that puckers up blows up like a
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: damn balloon, costs a lot of money. Yeah, I explain
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: to you, if you please. I love to explain the
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: other thing to me. And I finally sunk in Yeah
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: in another year, so you'll understand sleep high and sleeping bags. Um,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: what makes them light and small and expensive is that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: the quality of the down the higher the quality is
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: going to cost more on what you get in. The
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: higher quality is that what actually keeps you warm and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: down is it's loft, which basically makes an insulating layer
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: around your body. Right. Well, the higher the quality of
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: the down, the less it takes to make that insulating layer.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: So you can weigh it and have a half a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: pound of bad down in in uh in one container,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: and then a half pound of good down another container,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: and that good down will be however much better it is,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: it will be three or four times as fluffy, so
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: thus creating more loft and more of an insulating layer.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Are you tracking now? Also, you need to have a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: lightweight outer material because if your material is too heavy
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: on lightweight down, it could actually crush it and crush
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: that insulating you know, could that you're trying to make
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: around you. So you gotta have some lightweight material that
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: is also um tough. It's lightweight and not tough, and
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have a big hole in your down bag
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: and down it's gonna be everywhere, and that doesn't make
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: for a good insulating layer. We're uh. That was a
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: great explanation. Where how did you where did you get
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: trained up on talking sleeping bags, no time against sports
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: and Edwards Colorado. Right when I worked retail, when you
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: were a salesman sold some sleeping bags, that was a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: great description. I feel like that down a nice down
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: sleeping bag. Two needs to be paired with a nice
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: insulated pad sleeping pad because you can press that down
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: on your back. You gotta have a good pad. You
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: gotta have a good our value pad. But is that
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: like absolutely? I mean, this person wants a need, like
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: what is the the next thing? What is the I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: don't know why he why it has be the one thing,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: but it's like, what is the one thing? And I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: don't want to hijack the whole conversation to have be
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: sleeping bags. But I want to point one more thing
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: out about sleeping bags because I keep seeing people making
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: this mistake. The ratings like sleeping bags come with a
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: rating about temperature ratings, and I'm not sure there's a
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: competing rating systems, but a lot of these rating systems
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: are not comfort. They give it like a survival rating,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: meaning if it's zero degrees, you won't die, but you're
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: gonna lay there all night freezing your hand. So I
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: think now on the tags they've actually started doing like
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: three different sort of like settings like that, explaining it
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: be like you can survive down to this temp. Most
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: people will be comfortable at this temp and you'll be
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: great at this temper. That's that's helpful. Yeah, I man, I,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: I mean we live in the far North, we're in
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: the northern tier state, but travel or damn place. Uh.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: If I was gonna buy a bag and just have
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: it be my bag, I would It'd be hard to
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: talk me out of not getting a zero or like
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: a ten degree egg. Just versatile, absolutely, And if you
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: buy a real good one and it pooches up anyways,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: suckers up, pooches up what I trying to say, it
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: compresses well, Uh, it's just you just kind of don't
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: zip it or do zip it. But just like if
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have one bag land around, I would get
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: a way way colder bags. And you think you need, okay,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: other stuff, you can't, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: go full on about something you can't. You can't you
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: can't what's the word that he uses here. You can't
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: cheap out one thing. You can't cheap out on. It's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: not counting what is shooting iron. What does he not
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: want to cheap boots and Vinos, sleeping bag boots, Vinos.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: The clothing, Yeah, define cheap out. Well. Like when I
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: first started hunting out West, I was wearing like car
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: heart pants and ship like that, and I got by.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: But man, when you got wet, it sucked just walking
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: around and sucked. You know, it takes all the hair
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: off your legs. It's heavy, you know. And plenty of
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: people still hunting jeans and you know, yeah, whatever jacket
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: they can grab. But it's great till you get soaked.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Got it once you once you start using good clothes,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: it's like you could never go back. It's hard to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: go back lightweight clothes. Yeah, so much of this stuff. Man,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: when you make the jump that you thought you would
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: never make, I never. I don't need that you finally do.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: You're like, I am an idiot. I'm not gonna tell anybody,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: but I cannot believe I didn't do this ten years ago. Yeah.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I remember when I gave up on gas station coffee,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Man. After a while, I was like, man,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that, because now it's hard to
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: go back to gas station coffee yes, sir, like hot
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: coffee flavored. It's like, yeah, that's the only problem with
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: this is probably not bad coffee. They just don't put
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: enough grounds and don't put enough in there. So yeah,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I'm burns your lips and it just tastes like hot water.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna go sleeping bag as well. Um,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: but no, that you're just going down a path and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: this is not the last thing you need. Eventually, he
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: will cross across the rubicon and yet another purchase that
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: you didn't think you'd need. Yeah, because good stuff is fun.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: People are always like, oh, so you're saying you need
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: to this and that and this and that and this
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: and that to go do that. I'm like, no, it's nice.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Helps it makes me enjoy my time out there. Yeah,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: you spend more time hunting, you know. I mean, there's
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: plenty of dude still plowing Alaska in blue jeans, but man,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: there's been a lot more time drying out in front
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: of a campfire to where you know you don't have
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: to do that if you've got the right gear. I
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: got a little pour over coffee thing that's foldable and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: it clips on your cup and it's just a wash
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: out filter, you know what, it are stupid And man,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I was like this is stupid. And Garrett Smith has
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: one and he's like, oh, you gotta get one of these,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: cow I gotta get one of these. And I was
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: like rolling over in the truck four am, fire up
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: the stove, a little poor over coffee, reaching the cooler,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: grabs from half and half. It's just a nice way
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: to start a turkey hunt. But here's the thing. Once
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: it's cold out, when it's like sub freezing and you've
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: taken all that coffee water and let it drip, let
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: it fall dripped by drip through the air, you just
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: got yourself a cold that's a cup of coffee. We
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: got onto some of those things that started messing around
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: with them, and it was bad weather to do it in.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: But it was like it was like there was no
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: way to have a hot cup of coffee unless you
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: reheated it with just a standard like a poor over.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: We had these little envelopes. There's these little envelopes of
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: like camp drip and it came in a little like
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: disposable deely smack and you poured into go and you
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: just watch those drips. They just like they shed their heat.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: We uh like if I used the poor Over and
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Instant both, but I'm like, Okay, the weekend, it's gonna
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: be like this temperature in the morning. Like I'm bringing
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Instant this bag and drip over. It's like, oh, it's
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be warm. I'll go with the poor Over when
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: you pick, when you go into your pantry and you're
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: packing your coffee, you go and have check weather dot
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: com to find out what coffee to bring anywhere. Yeah,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: we checked the other anyway. Yeah, we have been like, oh,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be too cold for poor
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Over And it's just like the standard little black V
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: that sits on top of the cup with the filter
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: in it and you put some grounds in it. That
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: gets your coffee too cold if it's oh yeah, because
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: falling through the air and being exposed. I just kind
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: of but I'm telling you an objective reality, man, But
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I I just feel like I've had different experiences. Ours
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: just drips a lot faster. I guess, weren't you with me?
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Well maybe, but I don't know. Yours might be a
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: different system. But we just have like a standard V. Yeah,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I just have the standard V that sits right on
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: top of the yet like you buy it on the
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: water through there and you don't have a cup of
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: this was made. This was like made, and I know
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: yours just something different. I understanding your sucks and doesn't work.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that mine might work. Still maybe not a
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: zero I think it would work at twenty ed tumbler.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Yeahs don't cheap out on how you make coffee, I guess,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: or does quit drinking coffee. You don't have to worry
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: about it. Call just texted me a nice grip and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: grim of turkey. Thanks l What what what turkey is that?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? It's got a Miriam's tail
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: fan Okay, So on one side of the road, I
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: shot this bird this morning, white white tail. Yeah. Mirriams
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: have a lot of areas, and then on the other
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: side of the road it's like chocolate brown. I don't
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: think it's the road doing that. I don't think. I think,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: especially in Montana, where there's been a lot of um
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: bucket biology with turkeys going on, there's probably a lot
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: of hybridization. I think that. Sure. True, Miriam's are a
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: little bit wider, you know, snow white tipped, But um,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: I mean hack where we hunted in Nebraska. I've got
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: all kinds of grips of guys with shooting out of
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: the same flock, calling in three four dollars and everybody
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: you know cracks one and there's four dudes lined up
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: and every fan looks different. Okay, calm this picture. I
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: know you're shooting at uh that venom, that vortex red dot.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Yes you like that thing? I am. Yeah, I do,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I do, I do. Just once you start, you'll never
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: go back. I haven't, you know, I think about I
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: keep thinking about doing it, but I haven't done. It
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: slows I first. I was like, it's gonna slow me
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: down a little bit, and maybe it has, but um
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like speed yet. Ye man, I really really
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: liked it. I go, I gotta tweak my mounts a
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: little bit. But I picked you one up to you
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: think about making the jump. What I did is I
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: took that eighteen nine though and took a few inches out,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: took a few inches off, and put an iron sight
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: on there. You know I'm going to see that customization customized,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: sawed it off nice and short. Yeah, man, oh, here's
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: a good one. How come you don't bleed your game
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: out after a kill because a bad shot and stressed
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: the animal out and make it taste bad. Tell me
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: that's two questions, correct, it is how come you don't?
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Let's start with how come you don't bleed your game
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: out after a kill? Because the bullet bleeds it up.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: If all goes well your shot, if it's like the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: next shot and it's still alive, I would go do it,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: would yeah, because it hasn't bled and it's heart still pumping.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: But if it's if you go up there and it's
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: shot through the lungs, all the bloods out anyway, and
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: it's heart's not pumping anymore. So if you made a
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: high shoulder shot which most likely didn't clip the lungs,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: just you know, busted his spine and he's dead but
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: still pumping, yea, and slice his neck. I mean, if
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: I like remember to do it, I would do it
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: for sure. I've never done it. Yeah, I've never done
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: the next slice I like when an animal and open
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: up means every drop blood that things ever gonna have
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: laying inside the chest cavity, it's already bled. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that this question is related to
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: shoot him in the head or something. Head shot guys bleed,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: But you gotta hustle. You gotta get there quick. Yeah,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: you gotta hustle like bleeding, Like you catch fish over
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: the cool, let it die and cut its gill, nothing
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: to push the blood out, yea ron late. Let's say
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: remember that, you know from the documentary, man, as soon
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: as he touches that trigger, he's just like sprinting towards
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: He's a head shooter, unrepentant head shooter. Man. I'm reading
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: a book right now about game Warden in Idaho and
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: he's undercover work hanging out with a bunch of poachers,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: and the way he describes it like it is an
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: act of God that these poachers ever get caught, like
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: just and it's just so simple too. It's just you know,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: twenty twos and to forty three's and two three small
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: small calibery stuff all had shots and stuff just in
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: its tracks in the brush, ten ft off road, busy
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: like paved roads, stuff like like just slick, yeah, just fast.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Wells Part two, Ynny does a bad shot stress the
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: animal out and make it taste bad. I think so.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I can't help I think so. And the reason I
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: think so is because uh, I feel that I have
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of like, um, what's it called like when
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: you're aread, he tells you something, you know what I'm
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: trying to say, second hand info? Yeah, anecdotal, but I
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: have a lot of anecdotal thoughts, anecdotal evidence. But it's
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: also it's a big thing in the meat cutting into
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: It's like professional slaughters pay attention to this. They pay
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: a ton of attention to stress. They're not whistling Dixie.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're like as their business and they're put
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: an enormous amount of energy into reducing stress. But you
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: know what my question is about that is that and
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: I know they are doing that, but aren't they A
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: lot of it just comes from like animal ethics there
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't It comes there wanting not wanting what you call
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: it red cutter. I'm sure there's an ethics component to
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: it too, But remember that remember that that famous animal
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: behaviorist Grant temp Temp Temple grand and Temple Granding. They
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: brought her into work on all that like reducing stress
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: and slaughterhouses and a lot of it. I mean, there's
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: an ethics component to it, but a lot of it
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: had to do with quality product, better products. Yeah, if
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: it was just ethics, they wouldn't shock them after they
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: bolted him in the head, right, Yeah, they didn't want
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: them stressed because of I think it increases the chance
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: of getting a red cutter, which is like a like
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: a discarded or like greatly reduced piece of meat. But
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: it's like a widely held thing that's always told that
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: you're always told that it's true. And I have some
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: cases where I think you could have a stressed out
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: am and have it be good just because like just
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: just because there's always very ability and everything. But I've
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: had enough situations where you've had stuff to be like
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: extremely tough off tasting, and there's like and you're like, man,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: you know what, like there was something you know, and
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: you look and you'd be like, yeah, you can't rule
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: out there was like a not clean kill. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: What's the best position to poop in the woods? That's
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: a great question, he says, Squat leaning to get this
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: multiple choice, squat lean against a tree, sit across two logs,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: sit across two logs, et cetera. Yeah, that would be
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: like basically making you know, the toilet seat the trin
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: you know what I ever thought to do is take
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: two logs. This is a good idea. Take two logs
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: running parallel, but sit parallel with those logs so there's
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: a gap between them, so that the support wasn't running
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: cross cheek, it was running with cheek, each cheek on
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: its own support. My experience, the more yes, the more
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: word trouble, you're gonna have. Oh, I don't believe in
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: doing that. It's just something I hadn't thought of before,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: and now I'm curious about it. I think a lot
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: of it has to do with your agility and physical
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: fitness and things like that. Like, yes, because the squat
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: is not easy for a lot of people. I hang
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: out a lot of a lot of like kind of
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: wiry wirre you little mugs, And I think that, um,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: among like why are you little mugs? I think that
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: the squat is like I don't even need to do
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: a handhold. No, No, I don't hand hold no. But
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like when I was younger, my daughter I
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: have to hand hold her. Yeah, you know, my daughters
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: just finally grew out of that. Man. They can just
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: drop it and go anywhere. Nothing on their shoes anymore.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: They keep their pants clear. It's wondering. My wife makes
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: our daughter when she's peeing, she makes her get way
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: back like handholding. You get way back, like a deep, deep,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: far lean back, because otherwise you gotta have four pairs
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: of action underwear and pant tights with you. But I
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: saw somewhere I won't even say it was maybe on
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: one of your postcal recently we're laying, Tani commented about
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: something about like a tree tether that's made for pooping. Yeah,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: because I was gonna say when I think, I feel
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: like when I first started pooping in the woods more
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: probably in my late teens early twenties, for some reason
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: in my head, I thought that it was always going
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: to be better if I, like I would always look
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: for that perfect tree that could, you know, hook around
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: and lean away and get it. And now I guess
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: they've made a product it makes that easier. You know,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: I don't need it, And that's not a product you
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: needed to buy. No, land has like a doubled up
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: belt or something that they can whip around a tree
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: and lean back into. It's just like bearing down and
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: getting some leverage or what like. I don't I think
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: maybe a little stress reduce around the knees and I
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: don't know, some some sort of comfort sounds complicated. Yeah,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: I've done, and when that strap breaks, you're going to
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: be in a world poop. I've done the you know,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: in situations, I might do the limb grab, tree grab,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: limb grab, but Jaily not to walk you through the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: whole process, please, Well, there's a couple of things. I
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: think that I'm more interested and responsible responsible pooping, not
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: just clean, clean woods pooping, but responsible woods pooping. And
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: we just came out of an area west of here
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: where it is the tree shootingness woods shitness service. Man.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think i'd ever had even seen tree shooting
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: until all this. Yeah, in western Montana, it's become a
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: thing where you show up and try to blow and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: sometimes successfully gradually blow over ponderosa pines by just shooting
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: them to the point where they had The fourth service
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: has signs up say you can't shoot the trees. I
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: don't get it, like decent sized trees too. No, we're
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: talking trees like we're talking Diana. And meanwhile the same
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: people are surface shitting. Well, yeah, I'd have a little
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: talk with one of our crew members. Not going to
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: mention any names, but I think that Steve likes. I
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: don't know if you coined the term, if it's been
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: around forever. I had never used it. But the pist zone, no,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I'm colling that that's about Mexico. When you leave the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: group to go off down the hill, we're up the
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: hill river, you say, I'm gonna flip a rock. Yeah,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: that's just the first thing I'm gonna do. Yeah. Well,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: I think that maybe some people have taken this to
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: mean that that's all you have to do, is like
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: take a rock to walk over somewhere else and go, well,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: take a right on the surface and then just flip
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: a rock on top sand. That's like a last resort
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: if you can't take a hole. Because what I like
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: to do is I like to find a rock that's
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: buried so far into the ground and when you lifted out,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: the perfect six inch hole is there, and then you
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: put the rock back on the top stomach. Just here.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: The perfect rock is just making me want to go
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: off in the wood. What I'm proud of is when
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: I walk away, I'm like, if anybody else came through here,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: they would not know where I hid. I like the
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: kind of rock where you go up. This is considering
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: you got rocky grounds. We'll start a rocky ground. I
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: like to kind of rock where you go up and
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: you think, no way, I'm gonna move that rock. But
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: then you give it a pole and there's some give
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: and you pull and it pops out and there's like
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: some some rolie polies and centipedes and a big ant
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: nest like and then you do your thing in there
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: and you're like an Egyptian bricklayer man and you put
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: that block back down in that little slot. But it's
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: such a deep hole in big rock that you don't
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: even get like the like you don't even get like
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: where you squish it oreo, right, and the stuffing comes
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: up out. It's just like it's just like but but
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: it's just yeah, then it's like entombed. That's what I like.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: First I heard somewhere somehow right true. Yeah, it came
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: up on Ben's podcast that I had never crapped in
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: the woods. Well how would you do hold it the
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: whole time? Well? I laban plug Well, I mean I
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: know that is no I tell't please explain. Yeah, he's
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: he's he is the laban. I don't know if it's
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: necessarily has anything to do with my heritage. It hasn't.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry. When I travel, yeah, which is all the time,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: I tend to get a little constipated, and sometimes it
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: can take two three. I don't know if I've ever
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: made it four full days. Um, where you have a plug?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: So to speak? Um, I tell you you don't. You've
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: never felt as good as those seconds and minutes following
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: getting rid of that place? Is that that Latvian plug?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: Exasperated by the mountain house? No? No, house doesn't give
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: you a plug. No. I think it's just I don't
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: know really what causes it, but it just I don't know.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: I try to drink a lot of water. I'm guessing
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: that's walking onto a plane. I know that's what it does.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: It do it to YouTube, Seth. You get a little
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: bit of it, don't you? From the airplane plug? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: do twenty three? See if you're leve I don't. I
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: don't get as bad as Johnny, but I'll have like
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: a day go by them like something's not right? What
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: is your what is your heritage? I'm kind of all
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: over the board. Not a whole lot of pizzas in
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: the name Morrise go ahead, Phil, you never put in
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: the woods there you are. Yeah. So I told Ben, well,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for a long haick this weekend and
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: if the nature calls, I'll try it. I'll try it out,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: I'll sample it. And uh so, you know, I packed
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff just in case, like a bunch
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: of stuff, A couple of gallons size ziplog bags, roll
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: of toilet papers, some sanitizing wipes. You know what we're
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: gonna do with the galleon size zip blocks for the
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: wipes and the toilet paper. It's like, can double zip
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: it and so it doesn't, you know, bring it home, take,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: you know, pack out, keeping it dry. Yeah. Sure, but
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: that's it for your bunch of stuff. Yes, And so
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: i'm you know, I'm I'm a few hours into this
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: hike and I don't really have to, but I was like,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: I tried. I promised Ben i'd try. God damn it.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: And so I go way off and it's like I
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: can just see where I was walking and keep an
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: eye on it, and I take care of business and
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: I bury it. And then immediately I hear a dog
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: caller and you know, oh, you don't have to tell
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: me because it happened, and so Tug sniff it out
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: immediately come sprinting. The couple's like looking for their dog.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: What is he doing? And then I'm standing there just
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: like pretending I'm on my phone, like hunting for treasure
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: or something I had. I had, but I just started
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: walking back to the superficial berry. Yeah, I mean, I
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: mean it was it was like, I don't know, like
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: three or four inches. I like it was. It was
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: really snowy too, was I just tried to pack some
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: snow on top of It's anything. People like to walk
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: away feeling they did something exactly. People do crazy little things.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: They'll take like a couple of like pine needles and
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: like put that on there and be like yeah, that's good. Yeah,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: well in anyway, so then I'm I'm like pretending I'm
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: not noticing this dog, just like going to town on
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: my chip. But just man, I it was a bad
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: first experience. I'll tell your story, will curl your hair?
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Me and Ronnie Bam we're hunting snow geese one time,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: and we were on a little guided snow goose hunt.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: This is a good one. And the guide goes over
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: to the tree line and flips the rock. It takes
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: a growler, however you want to put it? Uh, and
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: then pretty soon as dogs over there eating it. But
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: we're in layout blinds, so your face is down on
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: the ground and the dog comes back over and wants
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: to run around licking everybody's face. Yeah, yeah, I almost
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: like I had to get Yeah, did not. Almost had
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: had an impulse that I didn't act on to shoot
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: the dog. Well, I mean I was. I was talking
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: to Mark Kennyan about it, and he's like, well, it
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: might have been the nice thing to go back and
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: explain to the couple which just happened, in case their
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: dog comes running back smelling like like shit. I couldn't
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: even imagine bringing myself to do that. Like that's tough conversation. Yeah,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna take it back, but I want to
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: walk through people a little bit more so. You got
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: the perfect rock, like the Egyptian brick layer scenario, the
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: perfect rock comes out of ground. If not also you
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: carry a little shovel or your heel. But I think
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: the key is prep in your area, Like prep your
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: area before you go, find out how you're gonna deal
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: with it before you go, like hours before. No, no,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: when you walk out, when you go off down the
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: hill or off the hill or whatever you do, go
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: over and don't like just go oh without considering how
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: what your plan is, because you want to drop it
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: in a good disposal location. So if you need to
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: dig a cat hole, you know or whatever, do that,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: then go. Don't go and then start wandering around trying
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: to use sticks and whatnot and making little tongs and stuff,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: trying to move it around where you need to put it.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: So do that dig a hole, if you dig a hole,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: dig a deep hole, dig a head sized hole. Another
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: thing and other than this is my brother's trick. He
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: keeps a lighter in with his can't money, so can't
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: money being toilet paper, he keeps a lighter in there
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: and as he's going he doesn't let us if it's
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: raining out whatever, you don't let the TP get wet
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: as you're using it. So you're used t P. He'll
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: lay over a little limb or what have you, and
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: not letting get all balled ups and it doesn't want
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: to burn. Lay it nice, drape it nice over a
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: limb so it's well oxygenated. Then when you're done, you
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: pull your lighter out up in flames. Where that becomes
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: tricky is wet wipes. So what wipes don't want to burn?
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: You gotta come back the next day and burn them.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: So I will carry and my kid, I got can't
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: money and this little disposable like not disposed when it's
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: a little single like this little can't money roll made
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: for campers. Then I carry with me, uh wet ones,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: single use wet ones. And if you feel like you
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: need to touch up to the single use wet one,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: open it, do your touch up, put the wet one
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: back in that thing, and then put that in your
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: ziplock bag inside your kit because you can't burn it.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Then burn the sweep by and bury your cat hole.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: And I don't need to walk out and find the
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: ground littered with all your toilet paper. And this is
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: an important topic, which is the important topic now I
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: just gotta I think you did a masterful job of
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: describing that system, and folks should take that uh into mind.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: But also on the burning the TP side of things,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: the woods down. Yeah, And so there was a road
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: biker outside of Emma, Idaho, and I was heading up
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: to my buddy Jim's house to go h cook with
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: those guys and hang out. And I think it was
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: just to hang out session. This is Jim the bird Hunt.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: It's always cooking stuff. Yeah, and uh, I get this
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: phone call says, hey, Cal just got called out on
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: a fire. Uh the roads are closed, but just tell
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: them you're staying at my house. And uh, his wife
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: Nancy was like getting the animals together in case they
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: had to evacuate. And I come around the corner and
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: the whole damn mountains on fire. And so I go
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: up and hang out with Nancy and we're kind of
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: getting calls on fire and have a kind of an
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: evacuation plan for all their bird dogs and great dance
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And uh that fire was a road biker
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: who attempted to burn the toilet paper and got away
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: into the dry grasses of the blm there. Yeah, so
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: just keep that in mind. And like the ranch that
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: I was on this weekend, Uh, the fires roll through
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: their almost every year, and the folks that live out
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: there are hyper aware of fire, and I mean they
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: should be. It's just like that that country their day.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: I had a situation where I went off and uh
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: found a really interesting little spot. It's like, you know
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: what a tree falls over and leads kind of like
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: a half a stump. Oh my gosh, it must have
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: been multiple in the The stump had rotted out, so
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: there was actually like the splinters of the stump all
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: right standing there, all rotted. The stump had rotted and
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: left the cavity in the ground, so you're able to
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: actually back up to it right use that. I prepped
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: the whole little bit, dug excavate the hole out a
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: little bit, but actually use that existing hole. Then walk
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: back around and just boot the back end the half
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: of the stump that was up still, boot that over
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: to in tomb. No one's getting into there. That's perfect.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Tipped it over and entombed the area, and then I
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: got up and jumped on it a couple of times.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: That is one clean dropping. The only way anything's gonna
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: get at is about coming up through the earth that
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: would be fossilized today someone's gonna find step back and
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: throw your hands on your hip. Glad. I was glad, satisfactory.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: It was like someone knew I was coming. One of
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: those moments it makes you confident in a higher being
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: because it was like someone was looking out for me.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: I dropped one in the same kind of hole. But
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: I just kicked it fold dirt. I didn't kick the
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: stump on. You didn't back kick the stump down in
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: it perfect. I felt good about it. Time for one more.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: I think we can end on this one. Is there
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: anything else to add here? Because this is something that
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: just like, well, I'm only just I'm only saying I
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: was just really nice National Force, like nice National forest,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: and it was cool. They're doing like a lot of
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: work in that area, doing a lot of thinning, a
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: lot of controlled burns, like putting money into it to
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: make good habitat. It's marked, roads are marked, like everybody
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: doing all the stuff to make it like usable accessible signs.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: National Forests four miles like turn you know, like everything
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: everything that you could ask for, Like, oh, laid out right,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: everyone's done their job. And how what does that bring
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: out in people? I got it. Let's go shoot all
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: over and then shoot the trees till they fall over.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: That like that sounds like like that's how we should
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: treat the National forest. I don't know who's paying for
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: all this. You are so disgusting, man, Yeah, taking up
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: a bunch of plastic and ship to shoot at we
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: came across the legos. Someone who brought those big you know,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: the child legos that are blows they're called. Someone brought
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: those up there and stuck them on a limb and
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: where and then left. Only hit it once that a
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: big lego structure with one bullet hole through it. You
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: didn't find any legos or toilet paper and your turkey's crop,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: did you? No? But everywhere you went, man, everywhere you went. Culturally,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on that little neck of
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: the woods. Oh, I think it's a case of a
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: few bad apples. Well, they get around, I'm sure they do,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: shooting trees down. I've a topped a few Christmas trees
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: in my day, the old old tan gage, if I'm
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: being honest, But this is actual. Almost took some videos,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: but it was like, oh man, anyways, last one on
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: public land, and I don't second last one. I don't
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: see why you couldn't do this on private land. You
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: there might be just more fun because you'd probably be
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: hunting there with your buddies. Have you ever thought about
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: laying down false tracks slash signs to bamboozle other hunters
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: do the other day we talked about this. Yeah, it
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: takes a lot of work to be to be like
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: packing around an elk hoof or a deer hoof to
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: lay down that kind of a sign. I was just
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: gonna say, it seems like a lot of work with
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Without that, you can lay down a scrape wouldn't be
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: too hard. A rob would take some serious Yeah, well
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: then you're not bamboozle. Yeah you are. You're getting them
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: to waste their time. Yeah, that's a great idea to
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: go make a little scrape, fake scrapes and put tracks
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: on them. H We talked. We were the guy the
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: other day that was saying back home what they would do.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: We're looking at turkey tracks in the road, and he says,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: you would stomp out every one of these turkey tracks.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: That's right. And so he said, when they're rolling around,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: they look for a bunch of stomping there. Now we uh,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: we used to on some public land that I used
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: to hunt. There was kind of a major trail. It
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't a heavily used trail by hikers, but it wasn't.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: It was a major trail. And there was a spot
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: where there it was a known elk crossing and there's
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of tracks there and near I just like
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: one time brought up some pecord and basically made like
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: a little broom out of some pine bowels or fur
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: bows more likely. And um, I would sweep those tracks
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: for two reasons. One, I wanted to see like how
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: quickly they got freshened up, you know, because if I
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: went through in the dark in the morning and came
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: back out at ten and there's fresh tracks, and I
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: have rough idea when they crossed through there. But to
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: also kick out, you know, to hide them from if
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: anybody else was hiking that trail. That's the thing I
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: like about the lion hunters that lion hunters do is
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: they like to brush out stuff all time, right um.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: And then I noticed, like down in South America, some
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: of those guys like to a shout out the sandbars
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: just to wipe the slate clean, and he gives it
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: like a nice little texture to pick up tracks. But
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: we had a lion hunters like if you get like
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: whatever sandy patches and trails or a dry wash crossing
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: the road, they like to get out and those bring
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: a broom and broom it out so the next time
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: they know, like I was here, I broomed it out
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: on Monday. Af there's a track on Tuesday. I know
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: when that track got laid down. But that's different than
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: trying to bambooz with someone I know. I mean real
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: common one for western trailheads because I say Western trailhead
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: because that's where my experience is. Is like, if you're
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: hunting with four people, everybody drive your own vehicle, so
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: then there's four vehicles parked at the trailhead, crowded. As
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: my brother in Alaska, he doesn't like camo tents. He
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't get it. He likes the brightest tent he can find,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: and he likes a lot of bright tents because when
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: someone's flying over, he wants to look like all hell
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: broke loose down there. He's like, if I could have
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: set up five neon tents, I don't want to camo
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: t I wanted to be like I am here, we
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: are all here. Although sometimes sometimes Cow's example can backfire
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: because some people will be like, well good. It would
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: be like ice fishing man, when you go out to
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: lake and your ice fish and you just be like, oh,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: everyone's over there. Place to start. Uh. Last question we
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: got when we wrapper up some guy was like, what's
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on pebble mind? I know all I know.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: I understand all the arguments. Under said all the arguments. Um,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: you know you drive everybody drives cars and we use
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: metal and no no, no, like I get it, I
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: get it. All people need jobs. I want people to
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: have jobs. I'm not anti job. I'm not anti mining. Um.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: I opposed that mine. It is the wrong project in
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: the wrong place. If if the headwaters of the biggest
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: salmon runs on the face of the earth, like if
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: that isn't like a line in the sand, I don't
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: know what is. I don't think we should mess around.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: I do not. I think that I would like I
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: would love it if the president um with just all
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: of a sudden you know, I know there's beyond presidential
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of things, but there would be
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: a great step as the president would just and he
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: he has he's comfortable. Um. He went against his party
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: on divestit your federal lands. It was in the party
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: platform and he was like, not not gonna happen. Not
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: interested in divest your public lands. So he's like federal
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: managed lands. So he will go against like what they
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: got going on there I would breathe such a side
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: relief if he would put them, if you would come
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: out and be like, you know, not not gonna happen there. Yeah,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: don't do it, man, don't do it. In a hundred years,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: it'll be the winning decision will have been to not
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: do that. Don't do it. If we're talking about just
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: put a big, huge, open pit mine, big full of
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: toxic material in a seismically active is it true that
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: there's never been an open pit mine that hasn't failed,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: like hasn't been breached or failed in something. Absolutely? Absolutely.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: But you know there's some that that do that within
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: the degree of what's acceptable to amount of leakages. Yeah,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. But I mean this thing, you're like, it's
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: a it's a sponge. You're you're digging a hole that
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: we know is going to fill with water because every
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: other hole up there is full of water and there's
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: no place to put the water in a very seismically Yeah,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: it's like it's like leech mining. You're you're digging out
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: or out of the ground. Then you're putting is it
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: cyanide leach up there? You're dissolving, you're dissolving precious metals
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: out of or with chemicals, and then you gotta do
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: something with all that stuff. And so they build a
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: big man made lake, and that big man made lake
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: like you build a big dam, right, and that man
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: made leg will be full of all that toxic material
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: and then you just kind of let it sit there
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: for eternity and hope that the damn doesn't burst. I'm
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: grossly oversimplifying. It's just out of just to get through
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: it quick. But I'm not anti minded man. I'm anti
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: that mine. Yeah, absolutely, I don't think it's the right
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: thing to do. I don't think it's I get all
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: the stuff though, I get the economy, I get jobs.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: Don't do that one, like, don't do that one? Absolutely
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: too much to ask if they do do it. No,
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  Speaker 1: they don't do it. I win a thousand dollar bet.
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  Speaker 1: You're bias. I thought you said you don't like gambling.
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  Speaker 1: I made a bet on this where I made a
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  Speaker 1: bet three years ago that it wouldn't be that they
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have initiated, that they wouldn't have started to extract
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  Speaker 1: or in a decade. So I'm three years in and
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  Speaker 1: seven more years that they have not extracted any or.
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  Speaker 1: I went a thousand bucks. It says nothing with what
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  Speaker 1: I you know, It's just that was I was just
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  Speaker 1: in a betting mood. I'm back when I drank more,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: all these bets, all these bets about the next presidential election,
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff was when I drank a lot more.
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  Speaker 1: Guy used getting a betting mood. Quarantine's turned. I don't
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  Speaker 1: make it really any bet. I lose all my bets. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: didn't you also say you would, uh, you would engage
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  Speaker 1: in civil disobedience over this? Yeah, I would think that
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  Speaker 1: it might be a situation. I would think that it
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  Speaker 1: would be if I if they were going to go
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  Speaker 1: and actually do it, and I heard that there was
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  Speaker 1: people that were going to go out and do like
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  Speaker 1: like a civil disobedience, I would in the back of
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: my mind, I'd be like, yes, I'll not that I
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: condoned civil discipline. Well know, in some cases, why not?
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  Speaker 1: That's what this country was built on, right, Like people
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: in Michigan go down to the state capital over like
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: a confusing effort to quarantine people's like civil disobedience. Um,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: it would be heartbreaking to me because I would just
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: I would be like, okay, if we can't if if
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  Speaker 1: that if we can't do that, Like what else can't
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: we Yeah, where's the line? Like what is sort of
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: like not you know what is was like yellow Stones
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  Speaker 1: that I you know, I mean, i'd rather put I
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: don't want to say that. It's just so contrary. It's like,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: you know, especially like right now, I think folks got
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: like a little taste is a bad word, but I'm
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: using a little taste of food insecurity. Um. And you know, man,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you come out at quick if you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to this and you're and you're you're in that spot,
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  Speaker 1: right Tommy, And I'll tell you that was that it? Um,
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  Speaker 1: But I might have spoke too much already. This is sorry, Tommy.
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  Speaker 1: You know this is America's salmon stocks. This is talking
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: about something different for the pebble mine, Like what's at risk?
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  Speaker 1: This this a giant security blanket of food that we're like, Yeah,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: that's a good argument. I'm gonna steal that from you. Yeah,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: please do what you steal an argument, You're not really
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: stealing their argument. You just influenced me. Yeah. Yeah, um,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: there you go. That's what I think about. That's why
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: I think about that. Is there anything else we should
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: tell folks about anything like that. We're doing that. They
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: should be checking out. I was just thinking they should.
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  Speaker 1: If they haven't yet, they to go check out the
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: six pack of meat eater hunts videos. You can see
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: uh Brody doing a little pig hunting Texas cow dude,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: some goose and what's the other one you did? I
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: think that's it for me because it's Cal's wee can review.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: Not it's Cal in the Field. Yeah, he's got a
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: separate series called Cal in the Field. Yannie Chase some
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: big old bulls and spear fishing spearfish Flasher catching some
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: beave is this is the spear is our spear fishing one?
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: Still caught up with an outperforming your elk one? Yes? Yeah,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: neck for a while. The beaver hunting episode is crushed, dude.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: There's a thirst for there's a thirst for beaver videos. Man.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: We tapped into the zeitgeist Forget and Deliver. People like it. Yeah,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: you can't go out anymore at night. People like, oh
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: my god, it's the guy for the beaver video. Al Right, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for joining. Ryan Callahan, Sat Morris, flip flop flasher,
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  Speaker 1: Phil Taylor down there on the end, Dogs eating his uhs,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: and Brody Henderson good night. No nicknames, Brody, I've never
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: gotten to work on it a little bit. Oh. I
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: thought of one though, for his his wife the other
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: day that I can't leave that word more often is
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: that his wife, Carrie, married into the Henderson name, and
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: uh so I saw it. I said, oh, Carrie, and
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: the Henderson's fe