Latest / Papa Gut / Candace Owens Dog Walks Andrew Wilson Towards The End Of His Miserable Career

Transcript

Candace Owens Dog Walks Andrew Wilson Towards The End Of His Miserable Career · Papa Gut

• 0:00
  All right, everybody, we're going to finish the second part
• 0:02
  of the Andrew Wilson, Candace Owens debate.
• 0:04
  I think this one actually gets spicier.
• 0:06
  That's where I see the most clips about it.
• 0:08
  But I wanted to start this 'cause I thought this was so
• 0:10
  funny. I saw this.
• 0:13
  It's this guy. I asked the most power.
• 0:16
  Basically Andrew thinks that he won the debate because AI told
• 0:18
  him so. It says I asked the most
• 0:21
  powerful AI to review the transcript of Candace Owens
• 0:24
  Andrew Wilson debate across 7 debate parameters.
• 0:28
  Claude AI says Andrew Wilson won decisively.
• 0:31
  Patrick Bette David's audience says audience says it says
• 0:35
  Candace Owens won two to one, one of them is wrong.
• 0:38
  And Andrew Wilson, of course, he needed to copost and say, every
• 0:41
  AI source will say, I won. That was never in question.
• 0:45
  Specific AI programs built for this purpose, judging debates
• 0:48
  will also say, so the polls are simply a reflection of who has a
• 0:52
  larger audience post debate during the debate.
• 0:55
  I won those too. It's not hard to understand.
• 0:57
  Here's the reality. He's coping really hard.
• 0:59
  But this does not surprise me at all.
• 1:00
  For one, we kind of, I think most of us know at this point or
• 1:03
  at least have a pretty good idea that TPUSA sent them there to
• 1:05
  try to probe some information out of canvas for a lawsuit,
• 1:08
  right? He's like their debate coach or
• 1:09
  something cringe like that. Or maybe he's their army sniper.
• 1:11
  I don't even know, but realistically speaking, this
• 1:15
  does not surprise me. Andrew Wilson is the divorced
• 1:17
  dad that asks AI to reaffirm him.
• 1:22
  Guys, Claude Grock, is it my should my kids be the ones that
• 1:29
  are trying to contact me first? I know that they're 12, but they
• 1:32
  need to make an effort too, right?
• 1:35
  Yes, yes, Andrew, they should too.
• 1:37
  Like that's what that's what it is.
• 1:39
  So you know, but anyway hecka known dude.
• 1:42
  You really got him on that one. Everybody knows this guy lost.
• 1:44
  He obviously didn't even he didn't even seem to give a shit
• 1:47
  about what's going on anyway, let's finish this bad boy out
• 1:53
  right here. Let's get this farty sharded
• 1:55
  baby quick plugs. Papa got memberships the same on
• 1:57
  both Patreon and YouTube. There's an EDP dock react here
• 2:00
  that's not showing. There's a small gut gives you
• 2:03
  access to opening up the members only discord.
• 2:06
  You can go in there without being a member, but you know
• 2:08
  those features are locked. Medium gut gives you all this
• 2:11
  nice backlog content here also available I'm on Patreon.
• 2:15
  Also for the people on YouTube, just so you know, starting
• 2:17
  September, the live streams after I go offline, the Vods
• 2:21
  will be locked behind the the members only tier of medium gut
• 2:25
  anyway. Podcast 2 link in the
• 2:26
  description with me and my wife. I like the podcast a lot.
• 2:29
  I'm just fumbling my words today.
• 2:30
  Jesus Christ. And then we got the stickers
• 2:33
  link in the description. I'm not going to batter you down
• 2:34
  with all this bullshit. I like it, but I want to get
• 2:38
  this going. I like it.
• 2:39
  I like the podcast with my wife. All right, let's go.
• 2:42
  OK, so we're officially back. And before we go into the other
• 2:45
  issues you want to talk about, is it fair to say you're good
• 2:48
  defending your position of the overwhelming evidence?
• 2:50
  Right. I need to find overwhelming.
• 2:51
  Just so you're a little refresher, As he believes it,
• 2:54
  that is how he defined overwhelming.
• 2:56
  Changing the definitions of words is really good in the
• 2:58
  middle of the debate. Yeah.
• 2:59
  OK, beautiful. You take the lead.
• 3:00
  Go forward. Yeah.
• 3:01
  So I have a bunch of questions for you and.
• 3:04
  Well, it's a debate, so I. Want to make it super painless
• 3:07
  right? So no traps, no gotchas.
• 3:09
  I'm just going to ask him direct and I think.
• 3:11
  Wow, is this like a new Andrew Wilson?
• 3:13
  Did he turn into a new leaf versus a new strategy from him?
• 3:15
  That as long as they're not loaded, if they're loaded, you
• 3:17
  should not respond yes or no. But as long as they're not
• 3:19
  loaded, if I just directly ask him, I'm hoping that you'll just
• 3:22
  give me a direct answer. So here's the questions that I
• 3:24
  have. Wait, wait.
• 3:25
  Before we get into that, I would like to just reply to that.
• 3:27
  So just to be clear, we agreed to debate our claims and then I
• 3:30
  agreed publicly that I have no issues having a conversation
• 3:32
  with you about other things that I've discussed that were outside
• 3:34
  of the court hearing and things like other evidence that's come
• 3:37
  across our lab and things that we've been speaking about.
• 3:39
  But I just do want to make it clear to viewers that for
• 3:42
  whatever reason, you think that you have a right to sort of
• 3:45
  depose me. I'm not deposed, but you.
• 3:46
  But you literally said that I want to be able to question.
• 3:49
  You meta conversation. Right.
• 3:51
  But OK, so now we're transcending like, let's just
• 3:52
  use a. Word to use a word that you're
• 3:54
  saying. But this is But this is what
• 3:56
  you're doing, right? So this this.
• 3:57
  I it's so funny because what he's saying would to a normal
• 4:00
  person probably sound somewhat reasonable, but Andrew likes to
• 4:02
  play games. Everything's about just trying
• 4:04
  to like extract some kind of information and specifically get
• 4:06
  you tied down on a point so we can make a virtue signal about
• 4:08
  it. Like again, he dialogue trees
• 4:10
  people, so he probably has a dialogue tree he really wants to
• 4:12
  get her into so that he can go through it.
• 4:14
  That's the problem. Andrew is basically AI.
• 4:16
  He really doesn't have any on the fly points that he can make.
• 4:18
  He mostly just like has a bunch of prepared points, which is
• 4:21
  like that's why every single time he's talking to like mostly
• 4:23
  an only fans girl, it's the same over and over and over and over
• 4:26
  and over again. You know, for instance, he
• 4:28
  really likes to talk about how women should be thankful to men,
• 4:30
  don't them and stuff like that. It's always like the same thing.
• 4:33
  He constantly makes comparisons to like he actually does it a
• 4:36
  lot. And then he's like, well, it's
• 4:37
  just a comparison to like very terminally online behavior type
• 4:41
  behavior debate, debate perverts.
• 4:43
  So. This part to me feels like a
• 4:44
  bit. Am I allowed to ask the
• 4:45
  questions? I've already said you can ask
• 4:47
  questions, but I made it very clear to you via e-mail and with
• 4:51
  you in conversation that we should be speaking this.
• 4:54
  Isn't like I want to say I want to ask.
• 4:55
  If you want to depose me, you should join.
• 4:57
  The chief of approach. Defense team, but you're like,
• 4:59
  I'm just. Going to ask.
• 4:59
  Questions. Can you answer it, blah blah.
• 5:01
  It's like, I don't know what you're going to ask.
• 5:02
  I need to answer as I have issues with it.
• 5:04
  Because I'm not. I get it.
• 5:05
  Yeah. I get it.
• 5:05
  So we're clear usually in in the debate, if something's not
• 5:08
  loaded, I'm just directly. Because you kept saying I'm Joe
• 5:09
  Rogan. They have no evidence.
• 5:10
  They have no evidence. And now you're like, let's move
• 5:12
  away from. You.
• 5:12
  I was just talking about transcendent actually.
• 5:13
  Yeah. OK.
• 5:14
  Anyway, so direct question, super easy.
• 5:15
  Was Lance twigs DNA on the rifle as far as you know?
• 5:18
  We can't say that for for certain.
• 5:19
  As far as you know, I. Already answered that in the
• 5:21
  first part. We can't say that for certainty.
• 5:22
  I told you the context, so as far.
• 5:24
  As you know. We can't say that for certainty
• 5:27
  until we know what are the five sets of principle.
• 5:29
  What did I just say? He's trying to get her to
• 5:30
  dialogue tree. Hey, we can't say this for
• 5:31
  certain. Oh, so no.
• 5:32
  Oh, so no. Oh, so no.
• 5:33
  Oh, so can you grant this to me? Oh, so no.
• 5:35
  OK, 'cause I have. He has an entire he has an
• 5:37
  entire tree of 100 points he wants to make based off of this
• 5:39
  one thing that she won't that he desperately wants to pin her
• 5:42
  down on. So that would be no as far as
• 5:43
  you know. We can't say that for certainty.
• 5:45
  You can say no as far as they know for certain.
• 5:47
  Or she could just say we don't know that for certain.
• 5:50
  We can't say that for certainty. Actually, I can't say that for
• 5:51
  certainty. Well, you can't say that for
• 5:53
  certainty. If your energy here is going to
• 5:55
  be like, you're my dad and you can tell me how to speak or what
• 5:57
  I'm supposed to say, you're you're, you're just going to
• 5:59
  come against the wall. I'm familiar with this debate
• 6:00
  strategy. I am just yes or no, yes or no.
• 6:02
  We're not debating anymore. We're having a conversation.
• 6:04
  So I already addressed that in the first half of this about why
• 6:06
  no. We're still definitely debating
• 6:08
  this is still. She's she's getting, she's dog
• 6:10
  walking this motherfucker. No, it's not a debate.
• 6:12
  Now, because this is you. Saying I want to probe things
• 6:14
  that sit outside of the evidence.
• 6:15
  I actually. Just to be clear, there is a
• 6:16
  difference between a debate and the conversation.
• 6:18
  A conversation is where two people sit down and talk about
• 6:20
  something. They generally, for the most
• 6:22
  part, will try to be good faith about what they're saying and it
• 6:25
  doesn't have to be super structured or organized because
• 6:27
  people are mature enough to actually talk things out and be
• 6:29
  able to function, even things that he did.
• 6:31
  Andrew doesn't know how to have conversations.
• 6:33
  He only knows how to debate because what you do in a debate
• 6:36
  is you try to pin people down and lock people down on things.
• 6:38
  Regardless of whether you're right or wrong.
• 6:40
  He's trying to dialogue treat her.
• 6:42
  He's trying to get her to concede to a point that makes no
• 6:44
  sense that she would concede to it at all.
• 6:46
  So that he can go on to a prepared set of 100 points that
• 6:49
  TPUSA probably gave him. So that she can try to extract
• 6:52
  some kind of like a lawsuit resource in some kind of
• 6:54
  lawsuit, you know, against him. Because again, he's their, he's
• 6:57
  their army sniper. He's like the Army sniper debate
• 6:59
  coach for TPUSA. That's all that's happening
• 7:02
  here. It's stupid.
• 7:04
  Actually already addressed as you asked me, you're not going
• 7:06
  to go like where you're you're sitting and I'm on trial.
• 7:08
  I'm not on trial so. You can have a conversation as
• 7:11
  we agreed to. Let's talk about the Foreign
• 7:13
  Legion. So now he he couldn't get that
• 7:14
  point. So instead of to continue, he's
• 7:16
  going to just try to go for a different angle, right?
• 7:19
  Like he had an entire point, but now he's going to go through a
• 7:21
  different. Angle It was a Foreign Legion,
• 7:23
  do you believe, trying to kill you?
• 7:24
  Yes, that's why I reported it to the correct officials in
• 7:27
  government. That's what I was told.
• 7:28
  And I handed over that information to Tulsi Gabbard's
• 7:31
  office. What's?
• 7:31
  Your best piece of evidence for that?
• 7:33
  Well, it was. Positive evidence.
• 7:36
  It was told to me by somebody who was high up in the French
• 7:39
  government. I passed off that information to
• 7:41
  Tulsi Gabbard's office. Maybe it was the person that
• 7:42
  told her that that guy's wife has a penis.
• 7:44
  I also passed it off to Trump's office, Donald Trump's office,
• 7:47
  and that's all I can tell you. I wouldn't be able to probe any
• 7:49
  evidence. So I don't have the power to do
• 7:50
  that. I'm not the federal government.
• 7:51
  And I would also like to say that this becomes this, this
• 7:53
  other piece of what you do, which is when people say this, I
• 7:56
  was told this and this is the evidence that I have.
• 7:58
  And I'm willing to have that conversation and write the
• 7:59
  e-mail to the correct government body that deals with this.
• 8:01
  Like I can't hack into Emmanuel Macron's bank accounts and say
• 8:05
  whether or not the information, But then you go, well, where's
• 8:07
  your like, well, my, I reported it.
• 8:09
  I did the right thing to do. So somebody calls and says, hey,
• 8:11
  Andrew, there's a viable death threat against you.
• 8:12
  And that person definitively has the rank to be able to tell you
• 8:15
  this. And you say, what I'm going to
• 8:17
  do now is I'm going to report that to the feds.
• 8:18
  And what's evidence? It's like, well, I got the
• 8:20
  information I. Don't think anybody's trying to
• 8:21
  kill her, but I know that he's playing a debate game, right?
• 8:23
  This is one of those things with this conversation is like, it's
• 8:26
  not really going to be about honesty in some capacity.
• 8:27
  It's also going to be about debate, tragedy, because Andrew
• 8:29
  is not an honest person. And I gave the information that
• 8:32
  I got from who I got it to the right body of people.
• 8:34
  That's what I did. Got it.
• 8:35
  I just, I just want to make sure I'm not trying to trap you.
• 8:37
  I just want. To make sure I got it.
• 8:38
  Yes, he is. And that's why I say I want to
• 8:39
  know what you're doing now, because this has always been The
• 8:41
  thing is like we actually can't He's.
• 8:42
  Trying to make her seem insane for this like threat but her
• 8:44
  answers, even if she is kind of crazy, her answers are pretty
• 8:47
  good. They's are pretty good that I
• 8:48
  would say the answers honestly. Went on the overwhelming claim,
• 8:51
  so we're just going to go and bring up everything that I think
• 8:53
  can try to embarrass her, I reported.
• 8:56
  Exactly. Yep, Yep.
• 8:57
  I'm trying to embarrass you. I just.
• 8:58
  Want to it's almost it's almost scary.
• 8:59
  She's like a conspiracy theorist, but she's also very
• 9:01
  aware of herself. There's something, there's
• 9:03
  something almost psychotic about it.
• 9:05
  Make. Sure that I get in the position
• 9:07
  I. Have not said yeah, go ahead.
• 9:09
  Usually it's like 1 or the other.
• 9:10
  Somebody will be like an insane conspiracy theorist or they'll
• 9:12
  be like very aware of themselves.
• 9:14
  But seems like Candace is both. I think that's what happens
• 9:15
  when, you know, you put a woman in a position like this because
• 9:18
  women love conspiracy theories for whatever reason.
• 9:22
  So it kind of make kind of make sense to me.
• 9:24
  I was talking to my wife about this afterwards, after the the
• 9:28
  the first part, the first part I watched and she said you don't
• 9:30
  really believe in any conspiracy theories.
• 9:31
  I'm like, oh, she's like, oh, OK, but she does like she
• 9:33
  believes in some of them. And I'm like, OK, that's crazy.
• 9:35
  Like she'll watch like a fucking podcast that explore
• 9:37
  conspiracies. You know I've.
• 9:38
  Stated multiple times that you believe that Israel's involved
• 9:40
  in the death of Charlie Kirk. Can you give?
• 9:43
  Me, we can pull up the clip. I'm sorry, I'm just saying.
• 9:46
  Dude, I'm telling you, he has. He has sets of dialogue he wants
• 9:49
  to get through. This is why he's rushing through
• 9:51
  it. He's like a little kid sitting
• 9:52
  at the table. He's waiting for his dessert.
• 9:55
  He finishes hot dogs and fucking Mac and cheese, dude.
• 9:57
  Can I finish the sentence? Go ahead.
• 9:58
  Can you give me the context for what you're are you talking
• 10:01
  about? Like when I say generally
• 10:02
  speaking, why people think that Israel's involved?
• 10:04
  OK. Where's your question?
• 10:05
  Yeah. Do you have any positive
• 10:06
  evidence whatsoever that Israel killed Charlie Kirk?
• 10:09
  Well, I couldn't say Israel was on the ground and shot and
• 10:11
  killed Charlie Kirk. I would say that there are
• 10:13
  various things that we're trying to establish, one being a
• 10:15
  motive. By the way, I don't believe that
• 10:17
  Israel would do that. It makes no sense.
• 10:19
  Because they're perfect. No, because like, Charlie Kirk
• 10:21
  was a big fan of Israel. So I don't understand that.
• 10:24
  And since I don't believe that Tyler Robinson and his
• 10:26
  transferee. Well it's funny because he was
• 10:28
  like oh Shane Dawson was the goat with conspiracies where he
• 10:31
  got cancelled. I mean he's not really that
• 10:33
  cancelled. I know he did some dumb shit
• 10:34
  like packing YouTube when it was a mess but my wife watches Shane
• 10:36
  Dawson's podcast sometimes. Like who cares?
• 10:39
  People like are overblown to like shit on some of this stuff.
• 10:43
  It's fucking insane. It's usually the same people
• 10:46
  that are like Oh my God Shane Doss is just so bad.
• 10:47
  The same people that like fucking love Trump.
• 10:51
  I don't know dude, and that guy is did rapes.
• 10:54
  So, you know, that's the point that I'm.
• 10:55
  Making is a convincing motive because he was fired up about
• 10:59
  politics, which Lance testified that he never spoke about with
• 11:01
  him. And nor do I believe that he
• 11:03
  was, you know, so into LGBTQ issues since Lance testified
• 11:06
  they never spoke about LGBTQ issues that he stopped and ate
• 11:08
  at Chick-fil-A, which, if you are into LGBTQ issues, wouldn't
• 11:11
  be your lunch before you go kill Charlie Kirk for LGBTQ issues.
• 11:15
  Listen, listen, ma'am, Listen ma'am.
• 11:18
  Don't want a misgender. Let's let's keep it a sack here.
• 11:21
  You guys know, I like gay people and I like trans people.
• 11:23
  I, I love them. I hate Chick-fil-A.
• 11:28
  I still go there 'cause the food is good, dude, that you know
• 11:31
  what I mean? Those white boys know how to
• 11:32
  cook, you know. So the only thing that pisses me
• 11:37
  off by Chick-fil-A, I mean, it is the homophobia, obviously, of
• 11:39
  course, but then also part of it is that like they'll get
• 11:41
  themselves into like rest stops when you're driving to like, you
• 11:44
  know, wherever you're driving to, but then they're closed on
• 11:47
  Sunday. It's like, dude, listen, if
• 11:49
  you're going to put, if you're going to put something in a, in
• 11:50
  a rest stop, it shouldn't be able to, it shouldn't be allowed
• 11:52
  to be closed on Sundays. I, I, I don't think that that's
• 11:55
  unreasonable. Like be like, Hey, listen, you
• 11:57
  have to either operate on Sunday or well, we're going to put
• 12:00
  somebody else in there for the day.
• 12:02
  I don't know, just give me some fucking guy, like give me some
• 12:05
  like street chicken vendor or something, you know, let's keep
• 12:08
  it fucking real, man, because it just feels like kind of
• 12:11
  ridiculous. You get this contract and then
• 12:12
  you guys are going to fucking dip out.
• 12:14
  Seems unfair to me so. Because you know.
• 12:17
  If you have positive. Evidence.
• 12:19
  I'm I'm I'm answering the question as I feel like I want
• 12:20
  to answer it. Like I said, you don't get to
• 12:21
  for an hour and a half. The question is about positive
• 12:23
  evidence. I'm telling you that in any case
• 12:25
  any. Negative evidence of.
• 12:26
  That establishing A motive and what I and again I already
• 12:29
  explained this the top of the show, but the reason why people
• 12:32
  find Israel to be an interesting question.
• 12:33
  Popeyes is better, That is true. That is true.
• 12:35
  Is because, truthfully, Charlie's perspectives were.
• 12:38
  With understand, like Tyler Robinson is a white boy, white
• 12:41
  boys are going to obviously like white boy food.
• 12:43
  You know, not everybody can handle the spiciness of, you
• 12:46
  know, not not everyone. Not every white person's as good
• 12:48
  as me, dude. OK, stop.
• 12:50
  It changing on Israel and he was starting to realize how much
• 12:52
  pressure was being put on not just our government to
• 12:55
  constantly fight their wars, but also being put on his
• 12:57
  organization personally if people had come out and been
• 13:00
  honest about that rather than Rabbit.
• 13:03
  I mean, this problem, though, the counter to that is like,
• 13:05
  Charlie Kirk was a huge fucking grifter and he would have just,
• 13:07
  like, fallen in line with whatever Trump said.
• 13:09
  So, you know, like, OK. It claiming he never flinched
• 13:12
  and everybody's lying and this is not true.
• 13:15
  You would probably have people that just go, eh, that's life.
• 13:17
  People change their opinions. I understand.
• 13:19
  And then there was the rabbit. I mean, not even that's
• 13:20
  everything was about trying to convince the public how much he
• 13:22
  liked it so. Other than intuition, how you
• 13:24
  feel about things, you have any evidence his real I I was
• 13:26
  involved in killing Charlie. Kirk, I have already said, and
• 13:28
  if you're watching my show in the context of what I said, this
• 13:30
  is the general sense of why people think Israel's involved.
• 13:33
  We don't nobody has made the claim that is Israelis.
• 13:36
  There were also, you know, I. Mean Joe made the claim.
• 13:38
  Well, Joe Kent, who I I think would have the right to assert
• 13:41
  it, noted that there were 12 Israeli cell phones on the
• 13:43
  ground that day. I think most people would like
• 13:44
  to probe that. Now, it could be maybe they were
• 13:46
  students, you know, and they were Israeli students in Utah
• 13:49
  that day. I guess that would make sense, I
• 13:51
  don't know. But we'd like to probe that
• 13:53
  narrative because what we've seen, I don't.
• 13:54
  Know what that means? There are 12 Israeli cell phones
• 13:56
  on the ground. What does that mean?
• 13:58
  After coming from the Israeli government, the Israeli Prime
• 14:00
  Minister kind of denying that he did it, which wasn't really
• 14:03
  necessary, was quite busy. The phone call that happened
• 14:06
  which no one wants to discuss in the Hamptons the week prior or
• 14:09
  not the week prior. I think it was around August 5th
• 14:11
  or 6th. What the hell is she talking
• 14:13
  about? That took place and again.
• 14:16
  Maybe August 6 or 7. The almost desperate lies about
• 14:19
  Charlie's shifting opinion on Israel lead us to believe that
• 14:21
  there could be an Israeli angle in this.
• 14:23
  But we cannot say for certainty that Israel called the shots and
• 14:27
  this is how it happened. But it is definitively, I think,
• 14:29
  a threat that a lot of us would. Like to say there's no positive
• 14:31
  evidence. I.
• 14:31
  I. Whatever you want to say, or
• 14:33
  positive, negative, however you want to say it, I.
• 14:35
  Like positive evidence. Is have a conversation.
• 14:36
  Material evidence and other. Evidence.
• 14:38
  What we said is. So like, just to be clear,
• 14:40
  what's happening. So again, I think that she's
• 14:43
  kind of crazy here, but she's saying there's like no, like
• 14:46
  she's, she's trying to establish like, yeah, there's no material
• 14:47
  evidence, but I believe this based on the whatever.
• 14:49
  OK, fine. He's trying to say like all
• 14:51
  positive or negative 'cause he wants to take the word positive
• 14:54
  and assign it to this situation. If there's no positive evidence,
• 14:58
  that means that it must be all negative, which means she's
• 15:00
  crazy. That's kind of the idea is to
• 15:02
  take the definitions of other words and apply them to
• 15:04
  different things. Like when he decided that like,
• 15:05
  oh, what was it like matter of fact or whatever, however he
• 15:07
  phrased it like his idea of like a matter of fact or, you know,
• 15:11
  absolutely or whatever the fuck words he used was just if he
• 15:14
  believes it, right. So that's kind of like that's
• 15:16
  part of the strategy is almost to utilize different definitions
• 15:20
  of different words to kind of, you know, anchor them to the
• 15:24
  situation so that he can basically have a vibe.
• 15:28
  He can basically like he can use that as like a way like almost
• 15:31
  like a Trojan horse. Also, I don't know what this 12
• 15:33
  cell phone thing is. Looking it up, it doesn't seem
• 15:34
  like this is even true. It was just some kind of like an
• 15:38
  unverified social media post that was amplified by Candace
• 15:40
  Owens. That makes sense.
• 15:41
  So I don't know what the fuck that means.
• 15:43
  So she probably made that up. But like, what's interesting is
• 15:45
  like, you know, Andrew just seems to be like not very
• 15:47
  prepared for this whole thing. Why not have somebody sit down
• 15:52
  and maybe like educate themselves on this entire
• 15:55
  scenario, like or do notes or something.
• 15:58
  I mean, especially there has to be enough infrastructure to be
• 16:01
  more prepared for this debate given like this guy's on Rogan
• 16:03
  twice. You know what I mean?
• 16:06
  You didn't want, you didn't want to like, you know, you're,
• 16:07
  you're begging for a debate with Candace Owens and you don't have
• 16:10
  anything prepped for it. On our show is what we said,
• 16:13
  which is we. This feels like a conspiracy
• 16:16
  building. Overwhelming evidence, yeah.
• 16:18
  There's no reason to lie about these things, and yet he.
• 16:20
  Said overwhelming, you know. People are lying, BB ain't
• 16:23
  acting right. The Hamptons thing was weird and
• 16:25
  the way they tried to shove the Israel narrative down our throat
• 16:28
  immediately. I mean, the day he died, posting
• 16:30
  a picture of him with an American and Israeli AI photo on
• 16:33
  the president's feed doesn't feel right.
• 16:34
  You. Have any evidence that Erica
• 16:36
  Kirk or TPUSA participated in the murder of.
• 16:38
  Charlie Kirk. I've never said they
• 16:39
  participated in the murder of Charlie Kirk.
• 16:40
  That's what I'm saying. This is what he's here for, just
• 16:42
  to be clear. This is what he's here for.
• 16:45
  This is what he's here for, just to be clear.
• 16:47
  TPUSAI got this. My conspiracy.
• 16:49
  TPUSA paid him to be here. They already paid him to fucking
• 16:53
  to do like some debate coaching bullshit right now.
• 16:58
  They're paying him to be here to ask questions like this, to try
• 16:59
  to pin her down. They're trying to get
• 17:01
  information. This is the goal and he fails at
• 17:02
  it so fucking hard it's funny. Kirk So how could I say that I
• 17:05
  have evidence they participated in the murder of Charlie Ker?
• 17:07
  So then you don't believe that they did?
• 17:10
  I never have said that statement, so I'm not going to
• 17:12
  get you to ask me personal questions about things that I've
• 17:14
  never said on record. Your team is Your team is
• 17:16
  sending messages in the back saying they have a video they
• 17:18
  want to play. OK, go ahead.
• 17:20
  They're fucking. He is trying so hard to get
• 17:22
  information holy fuck. Know what the video is?
• 17:29
  If you Yes, you said that there's a video you want to play
• 17:33
  that. Candace said she has full
• 17:35
  confidence Israel was involved. Yep.
• 17:37
  Yeah. He said evidence like that they
• 17:39
  killed him. I said they're This is why
• 17:41
  people think they're involvement, involvement.
• 17:42
  If they have the clip, they can play the clip.
• 17:44
  They're they're referring to a clip, yeah.
• 17:45
  They not have the clip TPSUTPUSA unfought amid debate.
• 17:52
  Is that real? I mean, is that even real?
• 17:54
  Via whom? My guess is Pierre Erica, I
• 18:00
  think that there's a reason Pierre knew that Charlie was
• 18:02
  said first. I think there's a reason he was
• 18:03
  a priority. How why I think France and
• 18:06
  Israel are involved in Charlie Crooke's assassination and I'm
• 18:09
  going to put that out there with full confidence.
• 18:12
  I also involvement. I understand, yeah.
• 18:14
  So you think you you with full confidence, you think that?
• 18:17
  Isn't that well? Yeah, with full confidence.
• 18:19
  It's not the same. OK, whatever.
• 18:21
  Yeah, I think. Israel's involved.
• 18:23
  Yeah, I, I mean, the person that gave me that thing that I
• 18:24
  reported said that French Foreign Legion were on the
• 18:27
  ground that day. It's.
• 18:28
  Interesting as she puts it off on everybody else.
• 18:29
  He's like fantasy sources. Again.
• 18:31
  Why doesn't he attack that? Be like, you know, you always
• 18:33
  seem to have like some kind of a source.
• 18:34
  Like, how do we know they're credible?
• 18:35
  Like what gives you credibility blah blah blah.
• 18:37
  This would be. What the hell?
• 18:39
  Damn. Wait, so TPUSA unironically
• 18:46
  unfollowed Andrew Wilson in the middle of this debate?
• 18:50
  That's bad TPUSA, the place that Candace has been talking very
• 18:55
  negatively about since the death of Charlie Kirk.
• 19:01
  Dude that's fucking crazy bro. Andrew got wiped on this thing
• 19:04
  man. He got wiped hard.
• 19:06
  This would be at a professional limitation for me to then go and
• 19:09
  probe that information that I handed over.
• 19:11
  I can't do that. I'm not going.
• 19:12
  To have any positive evidence, okay.
• 19:14
  I don't. Can you just stop?
• 19:14
  It's actually just annoying to hear you keep saying positive
• 19:16
  evidence. I've just asked me what I think
• 19:18
  and I just tell you, yes, I think they are involved, I said
• 19:22
  here's what, here's what I think.
• 19:23
  I have every right to ask you about your claim, but.
• 19:25
  He's trying to pin her down because it's a bait tactic.
• 19:27
  She, I mean, she obviously already knows a.
• 19:30
  Positive evidence. For your claim this.
• 19:31
  Is fucking ridiculous. Just said I think and I am
• 19:35
  allowed to think, yeah. You're saying you have positive
• 19:37
  evidence? I have tons of positive.
• 19:38
  Well, you're making an ought to claim right now, and you ought
• 19:40
  to shut the fuck up, Andrew. Evidence I'm allowed to think.
• 19:43
  I agree. You're allowed to think.
• 19:45
  So bro, I honestly like I see, I don't really like Candace Owens,
• 19:48
  but like I really do appreciate the fact that she's pushing back
• 19:52
  against this like debate fucking rapist bullshit.
• 19:55
  And I say that with confidence with Andrew because again, he
• 19:57
  says women should be thankful men don't rape them.
• 19:58
  So like Andrew Wilson is a debate rapist.
• 20:00
  He's not a particularly smart person.
• 20:02
  He can't really think on the. Why?
• 20:03
  He doesn't know how to have reasonable conversations.
• 20:05
  And frankly, I think the reason that he married his wife is
• 20:07
  because her pussy is so fucking loose from having a bunch of
• 20:09
  guys and a bunch of kids with other guys in there that he can
• 20:11
  hear his own voice when he goes down on her.
• 20:12
  And the only reason he does go down on her is so he can hear
• 20:14
  his own voice. I think that's really what it
• 20:16
  boils down to. I mean, he's a rude and nasty
• 20:19
  piece of shit and his wife is just like a fucking miniature
• 20:22
  hymn. That's all it is.
• 20:23
  It's he's just like fucking and he's he's pathetic, He's gross.
• 20:26
  And he's part of like this whole like a red pill obnoxious like
• 20:29
  manosphere thing where they just go on and like harass fucking,
• 20:32
  you know, only fans girls and pretend that that's every single
• 20:34
  woman. While he also says like dumb ass
• 20:36
  shit. Like he said dumb ass shit
• 20:38
  before where he thinks that like only property owner should like
• 20:40
  be able to vote and shit like that.
• 20:41
  Like just some dumb ass shit. Like he's he's fucking.
• 20:44
  He's he's a loser and most of the girls that he harasses are
• 20:48
  like young blondes. So he obviously has a type.
• 20:53
  So it's just it's nice to get this push back against this shit
• 20:56
  because it's so fucking terminally online, like brain
• 20:57
  rot. Like it's actually unironically
• 20:59
  like Andrew Wilson is a cancer to society with the way that he
• 21:02
  has conversations. And the fact that fucking Joe
• 21:04
  Rogan, the TBI adult fucking brain ape, decided that he
• 21:07
  wanted to have him on multiple times is just insane.
• 21:10
  I mean, it's insane. I mean, I don't know why Joe
• 21:13
  Rogan is so OK with rape. I guess he's totally fine with
• 21:15
  like actual. Like, they're not actual, but
• 21:17
  people who say rapist shit constantly compare everything to
• 21:20
  rape and say women should be thankful that they don't get
• 21:22
  raped by men. I couldn't, I couldn't think of
• 21:24
  a of of a, a more insane sentence to utter when it comes
• 21:29
  to like I would imagine that a rapist would say that and that's
• 21:32
  who was being dealt with. So I don't know it just, you
• 21:36
  know, it's nice to get the push back against that.
• 21:38
  It would be fucking real. Nobody's disputing whether or
• 21:41
  not Canada is allowed to think what I'm asking, is it?
• 21:43
  But you what's your issue then? What is your issue with the
• 21:44
  statement? I think that Israel, that's not.
• 21:48
  What? That's not just what you said.
• 21:49
  You said that it's with, it's with full confidence.
• 21:53
  Yeah, well, her full, she thinks.
• 21:54
  It's full confidence her, she thinks.
• 21:56
  You would think that if you had full confidence if.
• 21:58
  But if you if I said, for instance, I think I'm going to
• 22:01
  be late to work right? With full confidence, I.
• 22:03
  Would bro I I again, I'm not going to be that guy.
• 22:05
  I really don't like speaking negatively of religion, but this
• 22:07
  guy's entire structure is based on like the the shittiest
• 22:10
  interpretation of religion possible.
• 22:12
  He's literally sat in debates and and argued that slavery is,
• 22:16
  is justifiable under certain context.
• 22:17
  You have absolute faith in something that you cannot prove,
• 22:20
  which is God. And you're going to sit here and
• 22:22
  you're going to cry that she has absolute faith in her
• 22:24
  perspective. It makes no sense.
• 22:25
  This is what I'm saying. This is why Wilson would never
• 22:29
  be able to win this because like his audience is just his
• 22:31
  conspiracy brain. They all have like a very
• 22:33
  religious, like a fundamentalist religionist perspective.
• 22:37
  Either they're operating on like that's what it is.
• 22:40
  And then he's like, oh, you can't just say this.
• 22:42
  That's all you say. That's like your entire thing.
• 22:45
  That's all you do. That's all you say.
• 22:47
  So how are you going to say that she can't do something that like
• 22:49
  is all you do? It doesn't make any fucking
• 22:51
  sense. Like that's the entire the
• 22:54
  foundation of like the the structure of your fucking
• 22:56
  arguments. I would say my evidence for that
• 22:58
  is that I'm 20 minutes away and I need to be there in 5.
• 23:00
  That's how you would know whether or not you had full
• 23:02
  confidence. Let.
• 23:03
  Me finish, Let me finish. He's getting so worked up over
• 23:05
  the probably the only point he feels strong on.
• 23:07
  It's actually pathetic. If it was the case that I said I
• 23:10
  have full confidence I'm going to be late to work, I would say
• 23:12
  my evidence that I'm going to be is at work is 20 minutes away,
• 23:14
  right? And I have to be there in.
• 23:15
  Five, I mean, your wife did have full confidence that you were in
• 23:17
  a military sniper, so that's pretty crazy, but.
• 23:20
  So I have full confidence. That's why I would think of
• 23:22
  that. So I'm asking if you think that
• 23:23
  Israel and France were involved in the assassination of Charlie
• 23:26
  Kirk. And you say with full
• 23:27
  confidence, I'm just asking for the evidence or at least walk me
• 23:30
  through the mindset of why it is that you can think that we
• 23:32
  actually. Don't have to walk you through
• 23:33
  why, I think. Well I feel like she's been
• 23:35
  walking you through the mindset the entire time about it, no?
• 23:38
  I can also, I can give you something that I think with full
• 23:39
  confidence, I think with full confidence that, you know, you
• 23:41
  lost the substance of this debate and now you're moving
• 23:43
  toward things that I have said that I think which I can do.
• 23:45
  I'm a. Lot of this debate.
• 23:47
  It's not exactly pertinent, this debate.
• 23:49
  It's not pertinent because our. Claims made made about Charlie
• 23:52
  Kirk assassination. That's the complete.
• 23:53
  Office of the Debate. No, actually.
• 23:55
  Would you like to remind him of what our debate claims actually
• 23:57
  were? Would you like to remind that
• 23:58
  you said I could ask you about any of these things to my heart
• 24:00
  skill? Free, but you didn't do not get
• 24:01
  to structure how I'm allowed to reply or ask me why are you how.
• 24:04
  You're allowed to reply, just ask you direct questions.
• 24:06
  I have full confidence that you do not feel that you represented
• 24:10
  your claim well, and so now what?
• 24:11
  You came. Prepared to do is to present.
• 24:13
  To yourself, like a professor of fallacy.
• 24:14
  I just want to know. Look, he's so scared he won't
• 24:16
  stop talking. That's how you know he's a
• 24:18
  coward. He can't let her like, finish a
• 24:19
  sentence. That's the whole point.
• 24:21
  And to say you're not allowed to say that you can't, you can.
• 24:23
  Say whatever you want. Well.
• 24:24
  Nobody's disputing that. I'm asking like you are.
• 24:26
  Disputing that I. Think that I've already.
• 24:29
  Explained to you. I explained at.
• 24:30
  The beginning of. This why I think Israel is is
• 24:32
  ultimately going to be proven to have involvement in this.
• 24:35
  I just explained to you in the middle, and now you're wanting
• 24:36
  me to structure the sentence or provide evidence.
• 24:38
  You don't have to. You're just allowed to think and
• 24:41
  I've explained to you my thought process.
• 24:42
  I don't need to structure it in the sentence.
• 24:44
  If you feel like a professor today, you picked the wrong day.
• 24:46
  Don't you think that like 10s of.
• 24:47
  Well, he did teach. He did teach gun when the Army
• 24:51
  sniper. Thousands or hundreds of
• 24:52
  thousands of people would want to know what Candace Owens's
• 24:54
  positive evidence for why it is that Israel and France were
• 24:57
  involved in the most. Dude, I love it.
• 25:00
  Just no, no, that's that's it. Yeah, no, who?
• 25:02
  Who cares? Traumatic public assassination
• 25:04
  of Gen. ZS lifetime is.
• 25:06
  That's. Charlie Kirk's assassination
• 25:10
  wasn't traumatic. It was a thing.
• 25:14
  Trump stopped caring the next day when he was asked about it.
• 25:17
  What was it like the next day, a couple days later?
• 25:19
  Hey, how are you feeling about your friend Charlie Kirk being
• 25:21
  dead? Oh, my ballroom's coming.
• 25:22
  Like it wasn't traumatic. Nobody, nobody like it would
• 25:25
  like this is one of the things that, like, people really like.
• 25:27
  You'll never convince me anybody really cared about Charlie
• 25:29
  Kirk's death. Like because no, like on like
• 25:32
  it's kind of reality. Nobody really, they nobody act
• 25:35
  like they cared. They pretended to and then
• 25:36
  people stopped caring the next fucking day.
• 25:38
  So most traumatic fucking. What are you talking about,
• 25:41
  dude? Most traumatic what?
• 25:43
  We live in a Society of people who have like who care about
• 25:45
  nothing anymore because like everything is so fucking
• 25:47
  difficult and insane. Like we're at a point now where
• 25:50
  people people like after Luigi fucking killed that CEO, nobody
• 25:54
  cared. You know, it was terrible.
• 25:56
  By the way. No, don't.
• 25:57
  No CEOs should be under risk. Even the ones that you know
• 26:00
  exist to do their best to take as much money from you for
• 26:04
  healthcare in an inflated system and deny you as much as possible
• 26:07
  sinking in another yacht. You should like those people.
• 26:09
  They are people. You should never dehumanize
• 26:11
  them. But we live in a time of like
• 26:13
  dehumanization. This guy Andrew Wilson on
• 26:15
  ironically thinks that if you like, if you're poor, don't have
• 26:18
  any property, or if you're a woman, you shouldn't be able to
• 26:20
  vote. I watched, I watched this
• 26:22
  fucking this gay little debate with fucking Jillian Michaels.
• 26:26
  It's that's what it is. He doesn't think you're a
• 26:31
  person. So I don't really understand.
• 26:32
  But wait, wait. People like that's dehumanizing.
• 26:35
  Yeah. You shouldn't be able to vote.
• 26:36
  It's a basic, I would say it's a basic right, almost a human
• 26:40
  right, ability to participate in society.
• 26:43
  That's why they watch my podcast.
• 26:44
  So you're just going to drip to them like here's why I think.
• 26:46
  I, every time we come across any of these discussions, they're
• 26:49
  watching this in context and they know why I'm saying it.
• 26:51
  So for example, when you're bringing up what Candace,
• 26:54
  where's your evidence for France doing this?
• 26:56
  I just told you someone who was high-ranking in the French
• 26:57
  government. Who's nameless?
• 26:59
  Of course. Of course.
• 27:00
  He probably has a name of. Course, of course.
• 27:02
  So there's a good reason to doubt a.
• 27:03
  Conspiracy, though, if I then took it to the federal
• 27:05
  government, like you can't just go out there making a claim to
• 27:06
  the federal government, you'll get in trouble for making false
• 27:08
  statements and things of that. Nature, it's so funny because
• 27:10
  like he could have productively had he just he's in he's in
• 27:12
  capable, but he could be like, OK, so like what is your claim
• 27:15
  for that? Somebody in the government?
• 27:16
  So the what you would answer that?
• 27:17
  OK, so the question is like, hey, you think that there's like
• 27:20
  a threat on your life. Why do you think that?
• 27:23
  Oh, well, somebody in the French government said this like, oh,
• 27:25
  do you see why people maybe think that?
• 27:26
  That's kind of ridiculous. She's basically doing that to
• 27:31
  him. She's using that same
• 27:32
  conversational strategy to him. Hey, do you see why people might
• 27:35
  think that? That's kind of preposterous.
• 27:36
  Oh, yeah, I do. Oh, OK.
• 27:37
  I mean, I hear what you're saying.
• 27:38
  I personally, I cast out on that.
• 27:40
  But like, OK, you don't need to push every point, like,
• 27:43
  reinforce it. The problem is, is that Wilson
• 27:44
  is so used to clip culture pushing that he just feels like
• 27:47
  he has to pin you down. Like he he's trying to go for a
• 27:50
  show. That's why he uses provocative
• 27:52
  language and says like, a bunch of rape shit all the time,
• 27:54
  because he's trying to put on a show, but he doesn't know how to
• 27:57
  have a conversation. He's incapable of it.
• 28:00
  He's fundamentally incapable of the conversation.
• 28:02
  Frankly, I think maybe I maybe I should release the a debate with
• 28:05
  Andrew Wilson on Spotify and stuff, but that's his problem.
• 28:12
  So and then you go, well, I'm going to probe that.
• 28:13
  Well, how? Which like, I'm not like
• 28:15
  frankly, from a debate perspective, I probably lost
• 28:16
  that one. But like, you know, I came in
• 28:18
  there for conversation. I got to know the guy and now I
• 28:20
  understand how to talk to him if I ever did talk to him again,
• 28:22
  which I'm not interested in. I'm not really interested in
• 28:24
  like talking to the type of person that would be a threat to
• 28:26
  my daughter when she's born, you know?
• 28:27
  It's just not really the vibes for me.
• 28:29
  Can you probe that this happens? I can ask you.
• 28:31
  Well, that's my. Podcast this is my podcast
• 28:33
  podcast I'm sharing my life and my experiences and what has
• 28:36
  happened to me and you're basically coming in like you're
• 28:38
  going to what regulate what I how I'm allowed to say if.
• 28:40
  I let you regulate anything I'm asking very.
• 28:42
  Epic feminist fucking Candace. Candace Owens here, right
• 28:45
  you're. Sounding a bit like a professor
• 28:47
  trying to regulate and say, Candace.
• 28:48
  You sound very defensive and like you just don't want to
• 28:50
  answer questions. I, I I.
• 28:51
  She's defensive. Again, being defensive isn't
• 28:54
  necessarily a bad He's trying to dictate her speech and trap her
• 28:56
  in a corner and she's calling it out.
• 28:58
  Who cares if you sound offensive?
• 28:59
  Did. Answer your question three
• 29:01
  times. I didn't say in the way that you
• 29:02
  wanted. To say office gate and you run
• 29:03
  away from it, but I would like for you to actually go through.
• 29:05
  Every clip that you guys have prepared because I, it's pretty
• 29:08
  I, I think with full confidence people will recognize the
• 29:10
  strategy that you're trying to employ.
• 29:11
  So let's get to the next clip you have prepared.
• 29:14
  Jade, she's not wrong. Whatever it is that you guys
• 29:17
  have prepared. But I would still on this point,
• 29:19
  I just want to make sure that you have full confidence that
• 29:21
  France and Israel are involved in the assassination of Charlie
• 29:23
  Kirk and you have no evidence for it at all that you'll give.
• 29:26
  Us. Well, the I I already did tell
• 29:28
  you where it came from. Like I said, I can explain it to
• 29:30
  you. I can't understand.
• 29:31
  That you need to tell you that he was going to kill, that
• 29:33
  France killed Charlie Kirk, or just that you were in danger.
• 29:35
  They said that the French Foreign Legion was involved on
• 29:37
  the ground that day. I've already that you just don't
• 29:39
  like hearing it, no. And it just out of curiosity.
• 29:41
  When you pass down that message to Tulsi.
• 29:44
  He is he is so desperate to try to pin her down.
• 29:46
  Or Trump. Tulsi's office?
• 29:47
  Yes. Tulsi's office, Are you?
• 29:48
  This is why in the conversation I had with him, I just kept
• 29:50
  saying, hey, you'd have a conversation about it over and
• 29:52
  over and over again because there's nothing he's looking for
• 29:54
  an answer to dialogue for you. That's the whole point.
• 29:57
  Giving them who told you that or you're just saying here's what I
• 30:00
  heard from and. I have this and I have this
• 30:02
  information. And of course, if they wanted to
• 30:04
  open a file on it, which I thought was quite mysterious
• 30:05
  that Trump's office never got back to us.
• 30:07
  It was kind of weird about like maybe that maybe they're not the
• 30:10
  correct office to. I did receive a response from
• 30:13
  Tulsi Gabbard's office, but I I don't think there was ever any
• 30:15
  investigation into. What I said, So the call was,
• 30:18
  hey, I've been told some. The e-mail e-mail was I've been
• 30:21
  told I have. Information, yeah, that that
• 30:23
  that the French Foreign Legion was on the ground during
• 30:26
  Charlie's assassination and that.
• 30:29
  I'm surprised I didn't get back to her.
• 30:31
  I think that people like, underestimated Candice, but
• 30:32
  she's been kind of like popping off recently.
• 30:34
  I feel like she's one of the most popular possible
• 30:36
  podcasters. I don't know.
• 30:37
  I mean, it was a lot of information.
• 30:38
  Well, you didn't give. That's crazy.
• 30:40
  It just ain't Curtin. This debate is fucking insane.
• 30:42
  Specifics who it was from. Not in the first e-mail because
• 30:44
  I figured they would like. Perfect, so if they do contact
• 30:46
  you, are you comfortable giving 100% who it is?
• 30:50
  I would absolutely give them as much.
• 30:51
  Information The question if if whoever's the US government, why
• 30:53
  are you not? Yes, it's very strange to.
• 30:55
  Me, you know so. Whoever's the US government,
• 30:58
  Good question. If that's the case now they may
• 31:00
  respond back and say we did, you know, that's their position.
• 31:02
  That's why I did it in writing. And so I'm glad that's the case
• 31:04
  because so so if they and. Right away in Trump's office,
• 31:07
  his like Margo got right back to me.
• 31:09
  He said it was on his desk. So he he has that there's no.
• 31:11
  And if you do say that. In his defense, Trump does not
• 31:13
  know how to read or write or do anything, really.
• 31:16
  And they contact that individual.
• 31:17
  Obviously, you don't have to leak your sources here.
• 31:19
  Is there enough credibility where that person would be
• 31:21
  willing to talk to them and explain to them exactly what
• 31:23
  their sources are? OK, I mean that's it seems
• 31:25
  reason. She had proof.
• 31:26
  Why would why would she not release proof?
• 31:28
  Well, I mean, she's apparently releasing it to them.
• 31:29
  So like, I mean, there's out there's any meaningful proof?
• 31:31
  It's probably some some fucking whack job said something, but it
• 31:35
  would make sense to like, like journalists do this all the time
• 31:38
  where they have a confidential, confidential source that they
• 31:40
  don't express, you know? Reasonable and so why he's
• 31:42
  asking me to defend that is like I'm.
• 31:44
  Not and I. Think those are two different
• 31:45
  things. That's more something I'm
• 31:46
  asking. Why are they not reaching out to
• 31:48
  you? I've asked that many times on my
• 31:49
  podcast. What do you think about that,
• 31:51
  Andrew? Andrew, what do you think about
• 31:53
  that? The fact that she emailed, she
• 31:55
  gave it, and nobody reached out to want to contact the source.
• 31:57
  She didn't think it was actionable is my guess, but even
• 32:00
  if they did think it was. How confident are you about
• 32:01
  that? Actionable.
• 32:02
  Great. Every lead should be followed up
• 32:04
  on within the confines of what's rational and reasonable.
• 32:07
  Is it fair to say that this is see this?
• 32:08
  Is what I'm talking about. He's a fucking moron.
• 32:10
  Like right there. You would you know, this is the
• 32:12
  debate guy right there would be like, no, I think they didn't
• 32:14
  follow up on it because it's not actionable.
• 32:16
  I think that she's making like, I think that, you know, somebody
• 32:19
  possibly sent this link to her and she believes something that
• 32:21
  was not very credible, but he's like, well, then they should be
• 32:24
  actual like you're giving. He doesn't even realize it, but
• 32:27
  like he's not prepared to deal with this talking point.
• 32:29
  So he just says something. He doesn't understand anything.
• 32:32
  He doesn't really understand optics or anything.
• 32:34
  He's just a very emotional person with prepared
• 32:36
  conversations and dialogue trees.
• 32:38
  And the dialogue trees typically give him positives.
• 32:40
  But like Andrew Wilson's majority of his content is just
• 32:43
  talking to only fans girls and only fans girls and like weird
• 32:47
  looking LGBTQ adjacent type people in the like least honest
• 32:52
  way as possible because that's the only thing that gets him
• 32:54
  views. And that's what that's when he
• 32:56
  wins. He wins against people who don't
• 32:58
  really debate, but then he loses against people who debate.
• 33:00
  Like that one black girl or person I don't know, maybe she's
• 33:04
  non binary. Who the fuck knows.
• 33:05
  Like he gets fucking trashed. Or was it Emily, the one that
• 33:08
  that's the Sniz girl person, Snizz girl.
• 33:11
  I don't know. He's not ready for like he's not
• 33:14
  ready for on the fly anything. That's why he tries to control
• 33:16
  the the apparatus of a debate because he can't actually think
• 33:19
  critically and he's uncomfortable in silence.
• 33:22
  Like one of the biggest markers of unintelligent is if somebody
• 33:25
  can't be comfortable in silence, but you should be able to sit
• 33:31
  for a second in silence and like think about something.
• 33:33
  You should be comfortable in a conversation to be like, oh, I
• 33:35
  need a second to process that or saying like, oh, that's
• 33:37
  something new that's been introduced to me.
• 33:38
  I don't really know how I feel about that.
• 33:40
  He's not he's not comfortable with that.
• 33:41
  He's not a functioning person. He's a fucking low IQ computer
• 33:44
  that thinks that Grok or thinks that AI, because AI thinks he
• 33:48
  won the debate means he won the debate.
• 33:49
  He is literally divorced to that energy, like pleading to AI that
• 33:54
  he's actually did the right thing.
• 33:57
  Maybe a different name is Candace.
• 33:59
  OK, I was talking about Candace. I was talking about the other
• 34:01
  girl, the young, the young girl. Jewel, because this is a person
• 34:04
  that was involved with TPO, we don't have a relationship with
• 34:07
  her. No, no, her relationship like
• 34:09
  this isn't just anybody. So if an average person sends
• 34:12
  it, yes. Yeah, but I mean, we don't know
• 34:13
  who the source is. We don't know anything.
• 34:15
  If it wouldn't you if you were in that department, wouldn't you
• 34:18
  want to even you assign it to one of your?
• 34:20
  There's no guarantee they didn't look into it.
• 34:22
  How do we know? How could they?
• 34:23
  They. Didn't come if she didn't.
• 34:24
  Give the information more of the information.
• 34:26
  It was a long file got. It this is a separate.
• 34:28
  They said yeah, but like she just owned him there again I.
• 34:31
  Sent them to the guy's bank. This is more on on.
• 34:33
  Well, I just, I sent the e-mail assuming that's saying like you
• 34:35
  go and you make a report, you think they're going to come back
• 34:38
  to you and say, hey, what's more information, we're investigating
• 34:39
  this and that didn't happen. And which is what I raised.
• 34:41
  I found that especially because this was at a time where they
• 34:43
  were saying that they wanted to explore every possible lead
• 34:46
  with, I even texted Dan Bongino. So actually it was three, it was
• 34:48
  3 offices. Did he get fired or something?
• 34:50
  I mean, Trump's administration like drops like flies.
• 34:52
  So let. Me.
• 34:53
  Ask the executive office, Dan Bongino and the and Tulsi
• 34:57
  Gabbard's office. OK, so.
• 34:58
  The follow up to that is the following.
• 35:00
  If they contact you to say, is that specifically to the French
• 35:04
  government or Israel's involvement in the killing?
• 35:06
  It wasn't that wasn't about Israel separate things.
• 35:07
  That wasn't about Israel. It was they were saying the
• 35:09
  French foreign, that person as a part of it was saying that it
• 35:11
  was the French Foreign Legion that was on the ground.
• 35:12
  That's I'm surprised then. I find that to be very strange.
• 35:14
  Too. I do.
• 35:15
  I'm not. It's probably fucking crazy.
• 35:16
  I think that she believes everything she's saying, but.
• 35:18
  Because who would want to make a report like, I mean, I've never
• 35:20
  made a report with the federal. Government One question What is
• 35:22
  this one question? Let.
• 35:23
  Me just ask one question and I'm gonna bring it to you.
• 35:25
  The question is in regards to I've not seen that clip, so I'm
• 35:28
  seeing it now. The full count.
• 35:29
  I'm full confidence. I believe that Israel French was
• 35:31
  involved. Is that also based on a source
• 35:34
  that somebody told you that Israel was involved in the
• 35:37
  assassination of Charlie Kirk, or is that a gut feeling?
• 35:39
  Wilson's probably thrilled right now that he's talking for him,
• 35:42
  because he's getting fucking walked.
• 35:44
  So in terms of Israel, I mean, what I've said is what I
• 35:46
  publicly have said here. I do think that at the end of
• 35:49
  this we are going to find that Israel was involved.
• 35:51
  I do now when in terms of any of the hard evidence that's been
• 35:55
  presented, I think this has been a huge problem that a lot of us
• 35:57
  have had is that they won't even explore anything else that's
• 36:01
  going on in Charlie's life personally.
• 36:02
  So if we're not satisfied that Tyler Robinson did this in any
• 36:04
  way, then every alternative theory should be explored.
• 36:06
  Other evidence should be brought forward.
• 36:07
  We've done that in our in our capacity.
• 36:09
  Like when people keep saying she has no evidence, it's kind of
• 36:10
  crazy. I think we've broken like more
• 36:12
  stories than any new source. And I mean down to pictures,
• 36:14
  details, police officers, what the dog's name was.
• 36:17
  Because we're not. We're not what?
• 36:18
  The dog's name was what the fuck?
• 36:20
  There was a dog involved in this?
• 36:22
  What the hell? There's a conspiracy here.
• 36:23
  The police officers that are were involved, the many police,
• 36:27
  sheriff's offices. Wow.
• 36:30
  That were departments that were involved that day all believe
• 36:32
  there was a conspiracy down to the US Marshals believe there's
• 36:34
  a conspiracy. They were my sources at the US
• 36:36
  Marshals were saying they were basically sent in a wild goose
• 36:38
  chase that. Day, but you see how you say my
• 36:39
  sources? You're not.
• 36:41
  Yeah, we we do notice that now have.
• 36:43
  Sources. Well, The thing is funny.
• 36:45
  Well, hang on. I have sources.
• 36:46
  If I said I have sources that claim none of that's true.
• 36:48
  In fact, my sources claim that her sources are lying.
• 36:50
  My sources claim that there is. None of them believe there's a
• 36:53
  conspiracy. My sources claim all of them
• 36:55
  really think that Tyler Robinson was a lone gunman.
• 36:57
  If I just said that as hypothetical, wouldn't you say
• 36:59
  what? Yeah.
• 37:01
  That's a completely different situation because in this
• 37:03
  hypothetical, whether people want to like, admit this or not,
• 37:05
  Candace Owens is somebody who's more credible than Andrew
• 37:08
  Wilson. And we know Andrew Wilson
• 37:09
  doesn't believe what he's saying.
• 37:10
  He's just saying it to be a contrarian.
• 37:12
  So this idea of like, well, what if I just said that?
• 37:14
  Nobody would give a fuck because it's not authentic coming from
• 37:17
  you. You're just saying something to
• 37:18
  say something like you don't have like, you know, and you
• 37:21
  don't have an actual argument against her.
• 37:22
  So you're saying that, and this is the thing, like it's
• 37:24
  impossible to have an argument against her 'cause she's a
• 37:26
  conspiracy theorist. So like, you can't, like you're
• 37:29
  trying to do this like logical appeal, logical.
• 37:32
  You're just saying something. Yeah, she is.
• 37:34
  And it's effective and it's working and she probably
• 37:36
  believes it. And I think people, that's
• 37:37
  something that people pick up on is that they, the Candace Owens
• 37:40
  believes what she's saying, even if it's fucking crazy.
• 37:41
  But he doesn't understand that. So he's like, well, actually I'm
• 37:45
  like, she doesn't have an only fan, so he's not going to be
• 37:47
  able to win this debate, right? Like, that's not a a a
• 37:50
  reasonable argument. You, you can't just like, well,
• 37:52
  he's trying to prove her wrong when that's not how the type of
• 37:55
  like conspiracies don't have proof that they're correct in
• 37:57
  the first place. So the way that you go about it
• 38:01
  is you would really just do what they do.
• 38:02
  You cast doubt in somebody's mind.
• 38:04
  So you don't cast doubt in somebody's mind and say, well,
• 38:06
  what if I said no? Wow, you owned like what?
• 38:09
  Like cool man, like great strategy.
• 38:11
  You did a really good job doing like the Super debate shit.
• 38:14
  Good, good job. What if I said actually no,
• 38:17
  like, oh, OK, great. No, you don't.
• 38:20
  That's not how you appeal to this situation.
• 38:23
  You would you would just cast doubt, you know, But he doesn't
• 38:26
  know how to do that because again, he's a he's a fucking
• 38:28
  debate pervert. So he doesn't, and he doesn't
• 38:30
  know how to come up with any on the fly arguments.
• 38:32
  I think what probably adds weight is like then when I drop
• 38:34
  photos of the car that no one was supposed to see people go,
• 38:36
  OK, her sources are legit. So and then when what I say is
• 38:38
  then proven in court and nobody knew those things, people are
• 38:41
  recognizing that my sources are legit.
• 38:42
  When I say Charlie was scared in in the last days.
• 38:45
  And then I dropped the message which you've just learned about
• 38:47
  a couple of weeks ago of him saying he was leaving the pro
• 38:50
  Israel cause when everyone was lying about that then they say.
• 38:52
  I think it was really just that he wasn't going to support war
• 38:54
  in Iran. That's not, that's not like the
• 38:56
  most substantial like I'm leaving Israel type of a thing,
• 38:59
  but OK. I think Kansas sources are
• 39:01
  legit. So I think what's happened is
• 39:03
  I've actually built up a report with my audience that it's not
• 39:05
  vibes and dreams and that's why they keep watching my content
• 39:07
  because I like, for example, when I just the other day
• 39:10
  released the content of the shooter on the roof doing a
• 39:12
  lateral crawl, then they're going.
• 39:14
  I don't think these are just fives.
• 39:15
  It seems like Kansas sources are legit.
• 39:16
  So I've proven myself in the market.
• 39:18
  Yeah, I'm not sure that that would legitimize your sources as
• 39:20
  being. It doesn't matter.
• 39:22
  He's an idiot. He's he's just, he's just saying
• 39:24
  no, I don't believe you. That's not.
• 39:25
  Again, it's not going. To work when it comes to the
• 39:27
  idea that, oh, they all believe that there's a conspiracy going
• 39:30
  on, which is actually what your claim is.
• 39:31
  Now, how would that actually hang on, hang on, I'm almost
• 39:33
  done. How was that?
• 39:34
  How would that legitimize? Well, it's not his debate.
• 39:37
  How would he? How would it legitimize these
• 39:38
  sources that even if it's the case that you get some court
• 39:40
  footage or some things like this, why would it legitimize
• 39:43
  that? Your sources are telling you all
• 39:44
  the marshals believe it's a conspiracy out the police
• 39:46
  believe it's a conspiracy, everybody believes.
• 39:48
  How would that legitimize? What I'm saying to.
• 39:50
  You well, I mean, that's not even the question to ask, right?
• 39:52
  It's like, OK, so some people, some some people also believe
• 39:56
  your conspiracy theory that happened to be in positions of
• 39:58
  power. That doesn't necessarily mean
• 39:59
  that it's true, right? Like you're using their
• 40:01
  authority, but everybody's an individual, right?
• 40:03
  So like, you might be somebody who you might be a police
• 40:06
  officer and you make money being a police officer, you know, but
• 40:09
  you don't believe that you should beat the fuck out of your
• 40:11
  wife like most police officers do, right?
• 40:14
  Like, yeah, there's some people have alternative opinions even
• 40:17
  if they can flick with your, even if they can flick with your
• 40:19
  job. Right, that's how you would go
• 40:22
  about talking about that topic. You don't just say like, oh,
• 40:26
  well, it's probably not even true.
• 40:27
  And what if it is like, who the fuck cares?
• 40:28
  Like you're fucking, you know, your, your, your, your local
• 40:31
  fucking grocery store worker. I don't know, probably like
• 40:35
  every single every fucking person that hates capitalism is
• 40:37
  working a capitalist job, right? Like, and there's conflicts of
• 40:40
  interest in everything, like in everybody's perspective, But he
• 40:43
  doesn't, again, he doesn't know what he's doing, doesn't really
• 40:47
  know what he's doing. He's just saying words because
• 40:48
  he doesn't really know how to actually have a conversation or
• 40:50
  like really pick somebody's argument apart in any meaningful
• 40:53
  capacity unless he's got, he's has it prepped up for like
• 40:56
  however many years. Like Andrew Wilson spelt like
• 40:58
  the better part of like maybe even a decade, just getting
• 41:01
  absolutely fucking like destroyed in every conversation
• 41:05
  that he would go on over and over and over and over again.
• 41:08
  And the reason that his arguments seem to work is
• 41:11
  because of the people he talks to and how because he's used
• 41:13
  those arguments 500 times before and he's just found out a way
• 41:15
  that he gets positive audience feedback from.
• 41:18
  That's it. He doesn't actually know if he
• 41:19
  is or isn't right. He's just getting positive
• 41:21
  audience feedback. That's all it is.
• 41:25
  When you are not, you are not forced to believe it.
• 41:26
  So let me just explain what I was answering here.
• 41:28
  And I think that you understood what I was saying is I have,
• 41:31
  because people trust me, compiled a lot of information
• 41:34
  and presented it to the public. And this information has been
• 41:37
  proven true. We've presented photos, we've
• 41:39
  presented videos, never before seen stuff.
• 41:41
  The public has never seen it. And So what that does is your
• 41:43
  audience goes, OK, when she says that she has the sources,
• 41:46
  clearly she's telling the truth. Now, whether you would then go,
• 41:48
  well, I'm going to believe her. When she says they don't
• 41:50
  believe, they think that there's a conspiracy, that's up to you.
• 41:52
  You cannot watch the content. I'm, I'm not here to tell you
• 41:54
  that you have to watch my content or believe everything
• 41:56
  I'm saying. Well, don't you think?
• 41:57
  Questioners should get questioned as well.
• 42:03
  That was his rebuttal. OK, cool.
• 42:05
  Yes. Is that what she's there for?
• 42:08
  By who? I'm not committing a crime, am
• 42:10
  I? Am I just like?
• 42:10
  Well, I mean, aren't most of the people you ask questions?
• 42:12
  I'm not actually committing crimes.
• 42:13
  But what do you mean they should answer questions where Like at a
• 42:15
  police station? Like what?
• 42:16
  Are you saying if you're if you want people to come in and
• 42:18
  answer questions for you? I have questions about this and
• 42:21
  the. He's there to ask her questions.
• 42:22
  I don't understand. Investigation.
• 42:24
  I have questions about this. I have questions about that.
• 42:26
  You want them to answer your questions.
• 42:27
  Doesn't it seem totally fair that you answered back the
• 42:29
  question? He's that's what he's doing.
• 42:31
  Since people have for you. Well, they're not answering our
• 42:33
  questions, so it's also fair that they don't answer them.
• 42:35
  So you're, that's why I said Andrew.
• 42:36
  Colvett should be in the chair. He's not but.
• 42:37
  Isn't that a double? But isn't that a double?
• 42:39
  Standard. No, it's not, because he's not.
• 42:40
  Doing it, yeah, but that would still be a double standard if
• 42:42
  you're if you're requesting that he.
• 42:43
  Does he's so lame and. That seems to infer that you
• 42:45
  think. Sorry.
• 42:46
  Sorry gay people, I love you. He owes you answers.
• 42:48
  Oh, so inferences are allowed again?
• 42:49
  And they never weren't. So that seems to infer that you
• 42:51
  think that he owes you answers. If that's the case, then don't
• 42:53
  you owe answers? Yeah, well, I feel like I'm
• 42:55
  answering your questions. It's.
• 42:56
  Ironic because Andrew Wilson refuses to answer your questions
• 42:58
  in like every single debate that he's ever does.
• 43:01
  Like, he won't, He refuses to do it.
• 43:02
  So I don't really know what the the what is he saying?
• 43:05
  And his questions about, I mean, I'm, I'm talking about Andrew
• 43:08
  Colbat, he is his position as he's a spokesperson for Turning
• 43:10
  Point USA. So when the crowd turned against
• 43:13
  Turning Point USA on the basis of a lack of information, or
• 43:16
  because there has been, I don't know, seeds sown of distrust, I
• 43:20
  would imagine and forget answering my questions because I
• 43:22
  doesn't need to be made. Aren't you sowing a lot of those
• 43:24
  seeds of distrust? Well, I I think they're doing a
• 43:25
  pretty good job themselves, if I'm being honest.
• 43:27
  You can blame it on Candace all you want.
• 43:28
  You know, The thing is funny is. People act like I'm I'm Ground
• 43:30
  Zero. I'll be fair with people, I'll
• 43:33
  be fair with you. I think there was some PR there.
• 43:35
  I think there was some PR there. Sure, they could have done
• 43:37
  better, absolutely. I'm not disputing any of that.
• 43:40
  One thing though that I am, I, I want to just directly ask you is
• 43:43
  do you actually believe that anybody in TPUSA or Erica Kirk?
• 43:47
  He's, he's again, he's asking a question again to like, he's
• 43:50
  asking quite like legal questions.
• 43:51
  This was the goal the whole time, I think.
• 43:52
  Or Erica actually participated, had for knowledge of, or
• 43:57
  facilitated the murder of Charlie Kirk.
• 43:59
  I'm not going to get myself into a legal pickle here.
• 44:01
  Everything I've said is on my podcast.
• 44:03
  I, I think, I think firmly that if, if I was the investigation
• 44:08
  officers, I would, I would seat them all and I would ask
• 44:10
  questions. I would.
• 44:11
  There's from a legal perspective, there's literally
• 44:14
  no reason that she should answer that question.
• 44:16
  At this pace, I would. Does that mean that you do think
• 44:20
  so? I I think it was not a
• 44:21
  sufficient investigation in into what is what we know to be true
• 44:24
  of 80%. Scandal was actually terrifying,
• 44:28
  but like, yeah, she should not answer the question.
• 44:29
  Of homicides it's usually conducted by someone you know
• 44:32
  right and the fact that that was never even considered that the
• 44:35
  like I said earlier, the backpack was returned how?
• 44:37
  Do you know that was never considered?
• 44:39
  Because they gave back the backpack as.
• 44:41
  As just one example, they gave back the backpack, they gave
• 44:43
  back the. That doesn't show a conspiracy.
• 44:46
  Well, I mean, it shows that the police trust did everybody and
• 44:49
  didn't just hold things up for a second.
• 44:50
  Ruled them out as suspects. That quickly I I'm not
• 44:53
  comfortable that investigation. It's a pretty big organization.
• 44:55
  There's $100 million incentive people.
• 44:56
  This is 1. $100 million incentive.
• 44:58
  What I'm saying is his organization, like they had
• 45:00
  grown to, I think it was a hundred, $100 per year.
• 45:02
  Yeah, per year, if that's what you want.
• 45:03
  What is the team wants to play video if you don't mind?
• 45:05
  There's a there's a video they want to play of Candace.
• 45:08
  Him, he's just so boring and ineffective dude, it's fucking
• 45:10
  insane. Said it's impossible to not
• 45:12
  believe Erica's complicit if you guys want to play that video.
• 45:16
  And so right now their guys are going out and they're going to
• 45:18
  look for evidence and then by May, which is fortunately around
• 45:20
  the corner, then she'll see what they found.
• 45:23
  So what the F is that performance?
• 45:26
  How could you sit up there and say, I, I, yes, I 100% believe
• 45:30
  Tyler Robinson did it. That right there is why it is
• 45:35
  impossible for me to think that Erica Kirk is not complicit
• 45:37
  somehow. Because what?
• 45:39
  Had those two thoughts actually don't even follow, how would it
• 45:42
  be the case that even if Erica Kirk did believe that Tyler
• 45:45
  Robinson was 100% responsible for the death of Charlie Kirk?
• 45:48
  I don't really understand her argument.
• 45:50
  There is is her argument that she's having people investigate
• 45:53
  and probe other possibilities. So the fact that she was so
• 45:55
  confident that it was Kyla Robinson is like a problem.
• 45:58
  I would honestly just ask like what?
• 45:59
  I don't even understand what that means.
• 46:01
  Like I just I'm so confused. It's very conspiracy esque.
• 46:05
  I don't understand. I don't understand like her
• 46:07
  problem, so I don't really understand what's going on here
• 46:10
  those. Two thoughts actually don't even
• 46:12
  follow. How would it be the case that?
• 46:14
  This is so this is what I'm saying.
• 46:15
  Like you don't reply to this with an accusation.
• 46:18
  You reply with a clarification. Literally.
• 46:21
  I don't understand what you're trying to say there.
• 46:25
  Because to me, like, yeah, it sounds like it makes sense that
• 46:28
  he, I mean, he seemed to have done it.
• 46:29
  So it makes sense that you'd be confident that he did it.
• 46:31
  So like, what is that's what you asked.
• 46:33
  That's what excuse me, that's what you would ask to try to
• 46:35
  like cast out or even just to understand.
• 46:37
  Like what is your argument? I personally don't get it.
• 46:39
  So I'd ask for clarification. But he's like, actually, well,
• 46:41
  actually, that's you're not going to win with that argument.
• 46:43
  Is that because they don't auto go to conspiracy brain?
• 46:46
  Erica's wrong. Yeah, that's what it seems like.
• 46:48
  But I would ask for clarification.
• 46:49
  Get her to explain to herself. But he's not he he's going to go
• 46:52
  on the offensive because again, he's like, he's dumb and he also
• 46:56
  doesn't like feel comfortable not understanding things.
• 46:58
  Like that's something that he's very insecure.
• 47:00
  He doesn't feel comfortable like hearing like hey, I don't
• 47:03
  understand what that means. There's nothing wrong with
• 47:07
  saying I don't understand what something means.
• 47:08
  Nothing wrong with clarifying it.
• 47:10
  Being too insecure to ask that question I think is a is the
• 47:12
  actual an actual fucking plague of society.
• 47:17
  But. Even if Erica Kirk did believe
• 47:20
  that Tyler Robinson was 100% responsible for the death of
• 47:23
  Charlie Kirk, let's say she believed with every fiber of her
• 47:25
  being, believed all the evidence.
• 47:26
  Because she did. She just actually did.
• 47:28
  So why are we pretending as a scenario?
• 47:30
  I don't understand. Would it then follow that
• 47:32
  somehow she's complicit in his death?
• 47:34
  The. Argument would be more of like,
• 47:36
  Oh well, let's say that she believed it and it was wrong.
• 47:37
  It doesn't mean she's complicit. That is that what he said?
• 47:40
  That's not what he said, is it? Am I fucking stupid?
• 47:43
  I didn't say implicit in death. You added those two words.
• 47:46
  OK, so what's she complicit in? Dude, you tried to drop her
• 47:48
  again. So sewing this narrative that
• 47:50
  Tyler Robinson is guilty. So you're chopping up clips.
• 47:52
  Like I said, you didn't have the confidence coming to be Ty
• 47:54
  chopping it up. We are showing a clip of her on
• 47:56
  Barry Weiss, which I can't remember the date that she did
• 47:58
  that interview and Erica when she is asked, are you you know,
• 48:01
  do you do you feel with 100% certainty that Tyler Robinson
• 48:03
  did did this? And she says, I do.
• 48:05
  Then again, contact, OK matters. I sit down with Erica for four
• 48:10
  hours under the assumption that she had some evidence, right.
• 48:13
  Like, I'm like, I actually This is why I did not engage in any
• 48:15
  like Erica, everyone's questioning what she's wearing
• 48:18
  and all this stuff. I was like, I'm going to wait
• 48:19
  here because I don't know, Just it feels weird to think that.
• 48:22
  Do I did I think that some of her mannerisms were weird and
• 48:25
  stuff like that. Yeah.
• 48:25
  But that's not. You can't convict somebody on
• 48:27
  weird mannerisms. And then when I sat down with
• 48:29
  her and I was expecting for her to say, well, you know, I'm
• 48:33
  obviously the victim on the case and we got to see the shot, you
• 48:36
  know, taken or this or that, whatever it is.
• 48:39
  Great. You know, that's why she's
• 48:40
  being, that's why she has that much confidence two months ago.
• 48:42
  And when I sat down with her, it was nothing.
• 48:44
  It was nothing. OK, so this is a conversation.
• 48:46
  How would that make her complicit?
• 48:48
  Complicit and again, you said complicit in the death of
• 48:51
  Charlie Kurt. Well, if you let me finish my
• 48:54
  sentence, I could tell you that. But my point being is that then
• 48:55
  you take a look at this and you go, OK, well, this is weird.
• 48:57
  Why? Why would you have this
• 48:58
  confidence? And then when you sit across
• 49:00
  from somebody and you say, OK, great, I want to go out there
• 49:02
  and defend you. Now I want people to know that
• 49:04
  you can't say this stuff publicly, but you know more
• 49:05
  things. And she just blanks and then she
• 49:07
  says, well, I'm going to call the lawyer and she called the
• 49:09
  lawyer again, all of this is on my show.
• 49:10
  So out of context clips is not going to work because I know
• 49:12
  what I say on my show. So we call her lawyer and her
• 49:14
  lawyer says to us, she calls him on the phone, pardon me.
• 49:18
  And it's me, her and Justin Strife.
• 49:19
  And he's I'm like, OK, great. What do you guys have?
• 49:21
  He goes, well, we don't have anything yet.
• 49:23
  That's not we're not at that phase yet.
• 49:24
  And I'm like, what do you mean you don't have anything?
• 49:25
  And he says, well, don't you know how it works?
• 49:27
  It's a probable cause hearing. So basically the state says that
• 49:29
  they're going to bring this forward.
• 49:30
  And now our people go out and they look for the evidence to
• 49:34
  assert that Tyler Robinson is guilty.
• 49:36
  And so I asked her directly, her lawyer directly, the phone's in
• 49:39
  between us. I'm like, wait, so just so I'm
• 49:40
  clear, you haven't seen anything that the public hasn't seen?
• 49:44
  And he says no. So I'm going back in my head and
• 49:46
  I'm going, OK, so why is Erica saying with such a degree of
• 49:50
  certain like she was sent out to convince the public and and
• 49:52
  people bit by the way, I remember even Megyn Kelly was
• 49:54
  like. Well, it's the most likely
• 49:57
  person who did it, so that's probably why she's saying that,
• 49:59
  but OK. You know, let's wait.
• 50:01
  She's going to have access to things.
• 50:02
  I did think she had access to things that we didn't have.
• 50:04
  Why express that confidence to the public as opposed to just?
• 50:06
  Why is this any different from Candace not leaking sources?
• 50:08
  Well, because Candace is claiming to have information
• 50:11
  that changes context, they're claiming that they have no
• 50:14
  additional information, but they still believe it's true.
• 50:16
  That's what her point is. Not here, you know.
• 50:19
  Being like, we don't know yet, I feel confident he's involved.
• 50:21
  I don't understand how would any of this make her complicit and?
• 50:24
  In what? Well, I've already told you what
• 50:25
  she was she's complicit in in trying to fool the public and
• 50:28
  thinking this is some open and shut how's.
• 50:29
  She trying to fool the public into this.
• 50:31
  If she believes, if she believes that, Charlie, that Tyler
• 50:34
  Robinson killed Kirk, if she believes that, how would that be
• 50:37
  complicit in anything? I I, I do.
• 50:39
  Are you? Saying that you think she
• 50:40
  doesn't believe. It I I don't believe that at
• 50:42
  that stage she sat down with Barry Weiss that that's what she
• 50:44
  believes. No, but that's my opinion.
• 50:45
  Right. But so when you just say
• 50:46
  complicit, you just mean she believes that Tyler Robinson
• 50:49
  killed Kirk. That's it.
• 50:50
  That's. What we were talking about,
• 50:51
  that's why I said if your strategy was to dice up clips
• 50:53
  and take it out of context and make it seem a good sense
• 50:55
  because. He's really, he's really trying
• 50:56
  to push for this lawsuit here. Complicit, yeah, but then why
• 50:58
  not just play the full thing? Like?
• 51:00
  Why? Because.
• 51:01
  We don't have like infinite amounts of time.
• 51:02
  I'm guessing you probably don't want.
• 51:04
  To watch, I'm going to go back to my theory that you didn't
• 51:05
  feel confident that you could defend your your claim that it
• 51:08
  was overwhelming evidence. So now you're trying to move
• 51:10
  towards doctored clips. Yeah, he said.
• 51:11
  Overwhelming evidence. But didn't he say he's only 85%
• 51:13
  like sure of himself in the beginning?
• 51:15
  Pretty sure that's true. And then he defined overwhelmed
• 51:18
  as he really believes it, which is so like, pretty good stuff.
• 51:21
  Well, there's no doctor to anything.
• 51:23
  I'm just making sure that we got this right, that what you're
• 51:25
  actually saying is. That Erica was and when I re
• 51:27
  examined her actions backward because I did not have this
• 51:30
  perspective of her. Is that what Rachel Wilson said?
• 51:32
  This was an examination out of the debate?
• 51:33
  That makes absolutely no sense because Andrew Wilson's on an
• 51:36
  examinator. He's a debater, he's a debate
• 51:39
  pervert. He wouldn't be able to sit down
• 51:41
  and like have an examination and like, you know, going through
• 51:43
  and like actually do intelligent like examination.
• 51:46
  Like that's not what he is. He debates only fans girls for a
• 51:49
  living. Like I don't understand what
• 51:51
  that that means at. The beginning.
• 51:52
  Like he's still stuck in like 2020 TikTok when it was like,
• 51:54
  hey, let's bully fucking LGBTQ people for being cringe.
• 51:58
  And that's what they do. That's what the whatever podcast
• 52:00
  is, is literally like, let's find people that are cringe and
• 52:02
  we'll pay them to be even more cringe probably.
• 52:04
  I would imagine there's a financial incentive, so.
• 52:07
  Which is why it's so funny to me that you guys make it seem like
• 52:10
  I'm Ground Zero. People thought Erica was SUS
• 52:12
  from day I forgive, and I was not a part of that.
• 52:14
  I did not lean into that. I did not.
• 52:16
  Oh yeah, She said she forgives him on that.
• 52:17
  Like, right. Wasn't that like Charlie Kirk's
• 52:19
  memorial? She was trying to like virtue
• 52:21
  signal Christianity. It's fucking crazy.
• 52:22
  I remember that. But to that, I was getting
• 52:24
  actually terrible messages from my fans.
• 52:26
  Being like Candace, you and Charlie always say to go with
• 52:28
  your intuition. You won't address this, how we
• 52:30
  all feel about her. Things changed for me when I saw
• 52:32
  that Zoom call. I will tell you that for sure.
• 52:35
  And the fact that she lied to me.
• 52:37
  So I sat across from her and, you know, got to, I wanted to
• 52:39
  have that conversation publicly, but they're probably grateful
• 52:41
  didn't do it publicly. She told me some lies.
• 52:45
  And so the next thing that happens naturally when somebody
• 52:48
  lies to you, you go, what? Any person lies to you, whether
• 52:50
  it's a toddler. People only lie when they're
• 52:53
  trying to obscure something else.
• 52:54
  Have you addressed what that lie was?
• 52:55
  Yeah, I've talked about we have a list of lies that we've been
• 52:57
  told about you we cannot find. That I'm meeting with her.
• 52:59
  Well, no, I didn't want her to cage up.
• 53:01
  I didn't want to do this. And because I didn't know what
• 53:03
  to expect, like I didn't, I didn't know if she was going to
• 53:05
  be like, I'm so overwhelmed with everything, you know, and I
• 53:09
  don't know who to trust the organization and I don't know
• 53:11
  what I'm like. I didn't know what, I didn't
• 53:12
  know anything. Happened before anything
• 53:14
  happened with Charlie. How close were you and Erica?
• 53:17
  Not very close. So there's not a relationship.
• 53:19
  No, I mean I would say. I thought she have the best man
• 53:22
  at the wedding. Totally normal, like it's not
• 53:24
  like there was any issues at all.
• 53:26
  She was always, we always nice each other.
• 53:27
  It just is our life went to a different face, right?
• 53:30
  So Charlie and I in the ground running around traveling four
• 53:33
  days a week. Now I get married.
• 53:34
  I I find love in my life. I get married and I get
• 53:36
  pregnant. I've been pregnant.
• 53:37
  I haven't stopped being pregnant.
• 53:38
  And what you want out of life change is you don't want to be
• 53:40
  running around for four days a week and traveling on a plane
• 53:43
  non-stop. You suddenly want to start
• 53:45
  building at home and live. I was desiring that.
• 53:46
  Suburban life did. You guys ever do the double
• 53:48
  dates you, George, her and Charlie?
• 53:49
  Was there ever double dates between the?
• 53:50
  4I I was, you know, engaged to George quickly.
• 53:53
  We were planning our wedding. I was kind of in my bubble with
• 53:55
  George. George travel with me and
• 53:56
  Charlie, but Erica and him were just starting to date.
• 53:58
  At the beginning of 2019. George and I were planning our
• 54:00
  marriage. So George really got know
• 54:01
  Charlie. I wouldn't say that I really got
• 54:03
  to know Erica. I was just rooting for them
• 54:04
  because I knew how much Charlie wanted to, you know, find love.
• 54:07
  And so I was kind of his wing woman throughout that phase and
• 54:10
  I was just happy. And I never was under the
• 54:13
  impression, obviously, that they were going to get married when
• 54:14
  they were dating. So it wasn't like I would have
• 54:16
  was conscious. I don't even need to get to know
• 54:17
  this person. And so it was just kind of
• 54:20
  normal that by that time, because of where I was in my
• 54:22
  life, that I wasn't spending any time getting to know Erica.
• 54:25
  So. So the complicit part about
• 54:27
  Erica to you, is that a gut feeling you think?
• 54:29
  It transformed when she lied you.
• 54:31
  Can take the lead. I'm just asking questions.
• 54:32
  I just. Went to I don't afford.
• 54:33
  I actually don't. I still don't understand what
• 54:35
  she's you think she's complicit in.
• 54:37
  Yeah, so when I say Erica's complicit in, that's my opinion.
• 54:39
  When you tweeted Erica's too retarded to kill her husband.
• 54:46
  You think that's what made TPO say unfollow him or what?
• 54:50
  Would you like to explain how you developed your evidence,
• 54:52
  your positive evidence for the fact that Erica was retarded?
• 54:56
  Dude what the fuck bro, that's a shame.
• 55:01
  Yeah, sure. So I just think all women are
• 55:03
  retarded. Oh, so you're allowed to just
• 55:04
  say stuff? Who knew?
• 55:06
  So. And, and by the way, and what
• 55:07
  what dramatically transformed your opinion of Erica after
• 55:10
  going to the headquarters? Because you were pretty hostile
• 55:13
  about I. Wasn't hostile towards them.
• 55:15
  Bro this is so funny because he instantly, he just instantly got
• 55:18
  bitched out. Like like instantaneously just
• 55:20
  got bitched out. This is actually so funny.
• 55:22
  Somebody too retarded? No is, come on, that's like
• 55:25
  normal tongue in cheek stuff for me online.
• 55:26
  Oh, you're being tongue, tongue in cheek.
• 55:28
  Usually when I call someone retarded, being tongue in cheek,
• 55:30
  Yeah, Like for instance, you got supporters.
• 55:32
  I mean, if you were, if you want to use the same exact argument,
• 55:35
  you would take a supporter like Owen Benjamin.
• 55:37
  He called you bad names and one and he called your husband bad
• 55:40
  names. Is Owen Benjamin the guy that
• 55:43
  Andrew Wilson justified killing children to?
• 55:47
  Is that who that is? I was about to go look this up,
• 55:49
  but like, this guy is like this guy.
• 55:51
  This guy looks. This is just a very different
• 55:55
  picture here. I'm so sorry.
• 55:57
  Like this looks like this looks like it looks like.
• 56:04
  I mean, it looks like she likes to be blacked and he likes to
• 56:08
  watch. Like that's what this looks
• 56:10
  like. What the fuck?
• 56:14
  All right, anyway, that's not what I was looking for.
• 56:16
  Sorry, guys. There's nothing wrong with that,
• 56:19
  by the way. As long as it's consensual,
• 56:20
  There's really there's nothing wrong with that.
• 56:22
  I think it's perfectly valid. Anyway, I was trying to look for
• 56:27
  to see if it was. What is it?
• 56:28
  Owen Who? I'll show the clip of what I'm
• 56:30
  talking about. I might be wrong about the the
• 56:32
  person. Is this the guy?
• 56:35
  Jesus Christ? I don't think that that's who
• 56:38
  else I was talking about, this guy.
• 56:40
  Of Donald Trump killing pedophiles in the Middle East.
• 56:45
  First of all, do you know every single person were those
• 56:47
  schoolgirls pedophiles? It's institutionalized in the
• 56:51
  Iranian just a no, no, we're the we're the 200 schoolgirls
• 56:53
  pedophile. You want to make sure that
• 56:54
  they're alive so they can get raped.
• 56:56
  And ironic. It's a little ironic since he
• 56:58
  thinks women should be thankful that they men don't rape them,
• 57:00
  and also that he thinks you can't rape your spouse.
• 57:01
  But. But that aside, no, of course
• 57:04
  not. But they're.
• 57:05
  So great stuff. But anyway, that's what I
• 57:06
  thought we were talking about. You bad names and one and he
• 57:09
  called your husband bad names. Are you?
• 57:11
  You're just like, well, it's no biggie.
• 57:13
  I've never answered him on anything that he said.
• 57:15
  I'm saying that you now are her her biggest offender.
• 57:17
  So do you still think she's not her biggest offender, do you
• 57:18
  think? Still think?
• 57:20
  She's too retarded. No, no, no, no.
• 57:22
  I didn't know Erica Kirk. I've never met her before.
• 57:23
  OK, but you had an issue with Turning Point being LED web by a
• 57:27
  bunch of fembots saying I'm talking about the feminist angle
• 57:29
  and then suddenly you go to the headquarters, You go into the
• 57:32
  headquarters. Does Andrew Wilson not realized
• 57:34
  he's like one of the most feminine men that ever existed
• 57:36
  in the entire world? Or like, is he on like Mega
• 57:38
  Cope? Like what's going on with that I
• 57:40
  don't understand. There's now all of a sudden
• 57:41
  you've got text messages that you're sharing with them.
• 57:43
  You say that you're you and your wife are getting involved with.
• 57:46
  Oh. That's Owen Schroyer.
• 57:47
  Was that how you say it? Sorry.
• 57:48
  Management. No, no, I'm not involved in any
• 57:50
  management at turn. Well, I'm pretty sure there is a
• 57:52
  clip of you where you say that your wife went to their recent
• 57:54
  conference and sat down and then when you were on Joe Rogan.
• 57:56
  No, no, no, no. Hang on.
• 57:57
  I'll explain what happened just so that you understand.
• 57:59
  Yeah. Well, he's going to lie, so you
• 58:00
  can't really take him that fact, but.
• 58:02
  So I was invited there to do some debates training.
• 58:04
  There you go he works for TPSA baby that's.
• 58:06
  Literally what I was invited there to do.
• 58:08
  So you so you work for them or worked for them.
• 58:12
  You have a, you have a, you have a vested interest in them.
• 58:15
  OK. On recommendation.
• 58:16
  So I went down and did some debate.
• 58:17
  That's the first time I ever met anybody at TPSA.
• 58:19
  OK. And then you said you sat down
• 58:20
  with Erica. Why?
• 58:22
  Didn't you sit down to where I talked to her in the hallway?
• 58:25
  You notice how that's not anything different?
• 58:28
  Like that's, again, that's an Andrew Wilson debate tactic.
• 58:31
  You know, you say something like when people say, oh, you sat
• 58:33
  down with somebody, they don't mean that you literally sat
• 58:35
  down. You'd have to be a fucking a
• 58:36
  moron dip shit to say something like that.
• 58:38
  You're just trying to be like a little booger boy, right?
• 58:41
  Most people understand and that you're like, yeah, you had a
• 58:43
  conversation. Sitting down with somebody is
• 58:44
  usually like you'll have a conversation with them, usually
• 58:46
  a little bit longer. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 58:48
  You didn't sit down with them. I just had AI just talked to her
• 58:50
  for half an hour standing up outside so I can smoke
• 58:52
  cigarettes. You know what I mean?
• 58:53
  So it's like, oh, this is the same thing.
• 58:54
  You sat down with somebody doesn't mean you literally sit
• 58:56
  down. It's just a it's just a phrase.
• 58:58
  He was there for Veterans Appreciation Day.
• 59:00
  True, very true. So you didn't sit down and speak
• 59:04
  with Erica? No, I didn't have like some sit
• 59:06
  down long conversation. We we talked in the hallway.
• 59:08
  OK for for how long is? That what you gave her, the hug.
• 59:10
  Yeah, gave her the hug right there.
• 59:11
  My my wife did too. We were both very sorry for what
• 59:13
  happened. OK, so damn, did you like it?
• 59:16
  She smelled nice. What point did you start
• 59:17
  receiving text messages from that you?
• 59:20
  Notice how he wouldn't tell her how long they were having this
• 59:22
  conversation for. He was about to, but he didn't
• 59:25
  do it. Decided in your opening
• 59:27
  statement. I just reached out to TP USA and
• 59:28
  said I'm prepping for a debate. Is there anything that's
• 59:30
  pertinent that I can use here? Why he's such a dumb fuck.
• 59:36
  He sat down. He was asking TPSA what he
• 59:38
  should say in the debate. That's funny.
• 59:40
  Holy fuck. Wow.
• 59:42
  Find it interesting that people have been asking for, you know,
• 59:45
  basic answers to questions and you're saying that you walked
• 59:48
  into their headquarters and reached out and they it's.
• 59:50
  Amazing, isn't it, If you reach out in good faith and you're not
• 59:52
  demonizing them and saying that they're complicit in the murder
• 59:53
  of people's deaths, that that perhaps they're actually willing
• 59:57
  to release things. While you got paid by them to
• 59:59
  work for them and then you ask them first.
• 1:00:02
  Probably legal question. What should I ask?
• 1:00:04
  What legal thing should I ask to try to trip them up so I can get
• 1:00:07
  you a lawsuit? Erica.
• 1:00:08
  Erica probably gave him like a hand job or something.
• 1:00:10
  To you that are pertinent, other than thinking that, you know,
• 1:00:13
  maybe perhaps you're diabolical, I don't.
• 1:00:15
  Know I feel like if I was going to release that information I
• 1:00:17
  didn't I didn't demand that it be released to me.
• 1:00:19
  I actually never demanded that it be released.
• 1:00:20
  I just simply said that this is what was going on in the last 48
• 1:00:23
  hours. Maybe to the media they could
• 1:00:24
  release it. They can release it to PBD.
• 1:00:26
  They decide to release it to a guy that called Erica too
• 1:00:28
  retarded in June. So what?
• 1:00:29
  Yeah. I just think it kind of shows
• 1:00:31
  that Turning Point is sending you as their horse.
• 1:00:33
  Well, I. Don't worry, they don't have the
• 1:00:35
  courage to have the conversation if they were just releasing
• 1:00:38
  something in good state to answer questions he has.
• 1:00:39
  Terrified, he can't stop talking.
• 1:00:41
  I never demanded do. You have any evidence of that
• 1:00:44
  claim? Yeah, she just laid out the
• 1:00:48
  evidence. Do you have any?
• 1:00:51
  She just laid out evidence of that.
• 1:00:52
  It's not proof, but it's evidence.
• 1:00:55
  It's pretty compelling stuff, guys, so.
• 1:00:57
  It's not evidence that you're sharing your opinion that she's
• 1:00:59
  too retarded. I can't share my opinion, but I
• 1:01:01
  think it's going to register as really obvious to the public
• 1:01:04
  that rather than presenting that throughout the course of
• 1:01:06
  everybody wanting to know what Charlie was going through
• 1:01:08
  through his last days, they decided to give it to you to
• 1:01:09
  come to my house as some sort of a surprise.
• 1:01:11
  Do you think the public's not smart enough?
• 1:01:12
  To do through that, do you think that if you're talking about
• 1:01:14
  terrible PR, you know that there's a huge debate that's
• 1:01:16
  coming up? It's probably one of the most
• 1:01:18
  viewed that year. And one of the debaters calls
• 1:01:20
  you and says I'm taking this position.
• 1:01:21
  This is the position that I feel like there's the most evidence
• 1:01:24
  for. And Candace also agreed to
• 1:01:26
  answer many of my questions in regards to this.
• 1:01:28
  So if you got pertinent evidence here that I can use, I'd
• 1:01:30
  definitely like to take a look. It was actually.
• 1:01:32
  But why would you like I don't understand why would you message
• 1:01:34
  them unless you're you wanted to help them out.
• 1:01:37
  What information do they have? What information could they
• 1:01:39
  possibly have? I don't understand.
• 1:01:41
  Amazing to me. It really was actually amazing
• 1:01:43
  to me how if you approach people in good faith and just say, hey,
• 1:01:46
  I'd actually like to know what the facts and details are around
• 1:01:48
  this, they actually do talk to you.
• 1:01:50
  It's amazing. Yeah, I, I, I just.
• 1:01:52
  Well, if you're willing to sweep for them, of course they would
• 1:01:53
  do that, no? Do not believe a that you that
• 1:01:56
  they are doing this in good faith.
• 1:01:57
  I don't believe that anything you have done is demonstrated
• 1:01:59
  that's in good faith. It demonstrates that you walked
• 1:02:01
  into Turning Point USA headquarters and came out a
• 1:02:02
  different man because you were critical of the organization.
• 1:02:04
  You were critical of Erica and now you're sitting here going
• 1:02:06
  can't just I want to interrogate you for an hour.
• 1:02:08
  And a half about everything is that critical of somebody that
• 1:02:10
  you hadn't met. And then you meet him and
• 1:02:11
  you're. Less critical of him?
• 1:02:12
  Well, he said he still was now. He's saying that he's not, and
• 1:02:15
  the inverse has happened too. I was grateful about Erica and
• 1:02:17
  now I'm more. About you, but I'm asking you,
• 1:02:19
  isn't it the case that there's people you've been critical of
• 1:02:21
  and you've met him, you're less critical after you meet?
• 1:02:22
  Him too retarded I feel like if you think that she's dumb and
• 1:02:26
  you let's just talk about your record.
• 1:02:27
  I mean, you're a person that has spent time in what most people
• 1:02:30
  would term to be the manosphere talking about feminine.
• 1:02:33
  Well, yeah, I debate against. The Against feminists and red
• 1:02:36
  pillars. And he doesn't really do that in
• 1:02:38
  any meaningful capacity. He's full of shit.
• 1:02:40
  A lot of the actual So I'm a Christian ethicist.
• 1:02:42
  I mean, you go. To Joe Rogan and you're like
• 1:02:44
  like soft explaining away why Eric had to take over Charlie's
• 1:02:47
  company when they don't have a parent at home so now you're a
• 1:02:49
  feminist icon like you just go to headquarters and you just
• 1:02:51
  shift all of your because. That's a bizarre criticism.
• 1:02:53
  Like nobody. I don't know.
• 1:02:55
  It's not really that bizarre. I mean, maybe, I mean, you're
• 1:02:57
  not taking care of your young kids.
• 1:02:58
  I don't know if that's one of the.
• 1:02:59
  If that's truly one of your values, why wouldn't you focus
• 1:03:01
  on that? He's in the bigger girl boss
• 1:03:02
  position than you. I'm.
• 1:03:04
  Actually you're. The biggest of the girl boss
• 1:03:06
  positions like you don't have to do this, you just do do this.
• 1:03:08
  You could definitely not do it at all and be fine, right?
• 1:03:11
  It's not about that, it's about her not taking care of her kids.
• 1:03:14
  Right, which is fine, most other people would have an issue
• 1:03:16
  unless you're in this type of experience.
• 1:03:17
  So but. You still.
• 1:03:18
  Do I? I?
• 1:03:18
  I would say that you are making a comparison that cannot be
• 1:03:21
  compared because because Erica's husband was just assassinated in
• 1:03:25
  front of the world. Which makes sense.
• 1:03:26
  Why should we take the organization?
• 1:03:27
  No that it makes sense why you would go home to your kids just
• 1:03:29
  so you. Know wait a second that's that's
• 1:03:30
  bizarre they. Don't have a parent.
• 1:03:31
  They don't have a parent and they've just suffered A trauma.
• 1:03:33
  You don't go into the office. You want to protect.
• 1:03:36
  She might be valid for that, I don't know.
• 1:03:38
  I might just also not like Erica Kirk, but who knows?
• 1:03:41
  Your husband's legacy. Yeah, right.
• 1:03:43
  And you're trying to find somebody.
• 1:03:44
  Your legacy is his children, not the organization.
• 1:03:45
  It's both. No, it it.
• 1:03:47
  Yes, it would be both. It is both.
• 1:03:48
  It's totally rational and. Reasonable at this point.
• 1:03:50
  Like Andrew has no good faith anymore.
• 1:03:52
  Like he's pretty much just looks like a fucking goofy dingus so.
• 1:03:56
  To believe that it would be both.
• 1:03:57
  Turning Point USA that is part of Charlie Kirk's legs.
• 1:04:00
  He worked his whole life. This is why people think she's
• 1:04:01
  us. And his children.
• 1:04:02
  Now for you, though, to say that anybody's a girl boss, right?
• 1:04:05
  That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
• 1:04:07
  That came out of your mouth. Whoa, black, What the hell is
• 1:04:10
  that? No, if that was you, you brought
• 1:04:13
  up girl boss. Girl boss came out of your
• 1:04:14
  mouth. Yeah, I'm just, I'm telling you
• 1:04:16
  that you brought up this idea that I'm defending some feminist
• 1:04:19
  nonsense. I'm not.
• 1:04:20
  I'm pointing out that they're they're by the way.
• 1:04:22
  She's not qualified to take over his company.
• 1:04:24
  There's always objective outliers to each situation.
• 1:04:27
  In fact it's the exception that proves the rule.
• 1:04:28
  And the interesting thing here is like, I'm still just as
• 1:04:30
  critical of feminism inside TPUSA as I've always been, and
• 1:04:34
  I'm just as critical of any pro Zionist position as I've ever
• 1:04:37
  been. None of that's ever changed.
• 1:04:41
  What does the what does that have to do with anything that I
• 1:04:44
  did I miss? What is the Zionism should have
• 1:04:46
  to do with anything? Why would he even bring that up?
• 1:04:47
  Am I dumb? What's the?
• 1:04:49
  What's the? What's the logic there?
• 1:04:52
  By the way, I would think it's the most.
• 1:04:54
  Why would he bring up Zion? Why would he bring that up?
• 1:04:56
  I don't understand. Also he's not critical of
• 1:04:59
  Zionism. I I ironically showed you that
• 1:05:00
  clip before of him justifying bombing children like Israel
• 1:05:02
  bombing children. So I don't really know what the
• 1:05:04
  fuck he's talking about. Rational, reasonable thing on
• 1:05:06
  planet Earth to you if you wanted to actually see.
• 1:05:08
  Was that like a? Was that like a weird self
• 1:05:10
  report? What the hell?
• 1:05:12
  An organization change to try to work with leadership or reach
• 1:05:15
  out to leadership to try to do so doesn't that make the.
• 1:05:18
  Most well, I would like to say for the record that I think
• 1:05:19
  Erica is under qualified from to run that to run the organization
• 1:05:23
  and on on the more emotion. Why concede that?
• 1:05:26
  That's probably why they unfollowed them.
• 1:05:28
  No aspects. I agree with the what seems to
• 1:05:31
  be a majority opinion. Like I say, it's scientific that
• 1:05:35
  any woman that would leave her kids and go right into the
• 1:05:37
  office after their husband was publicly assassinated does not
• 1:05:40
  have their priority straight. OK.
• 1:05:41
  Or maybe, I mean, if they had to get back to work, you know?
• 1:05:43
  But Erica's rich, so I don't know.
• 1:05:45
  Well, I understand that you can have those criticisms, but I'm
• 1:05:48
  not understanding still how that would make her complicit.
• 1:05:50
  I don't. I don't have to keep answering
• 1:05:52
  the same questions. OK, that's a good answer.
• 1:05:56
  From her to how? It's complicit.
• 1:05:58
  Your team is asking to play clip.
• 1:05:59
  So if we want to play this clip to just finish this.
• 1:06:01
  Segment How many people are on this team are from TPUSAI
• 1:06:04
  Wonder. On the Erica Kirk topic, we can
• 1:06:06
  spend some time on that as well. So if you guys are ready in the
• 1:06:08
  back, we're ready. And causing that 30 out six
• 1:06:12
  diameter as would happen with a pet and explosives, as we've
• 1:06:15
  demonstrated you in the past, it accidentally because of how
• 1:06:17
  Charlie was crouched, went up and hit his neck and that ruined
• 1:06:23
  everything. Everyone did everything.
• 1:06:25
  It was problematic. It's the reason why Terrell then
• 1:06:26
  had to scramble to get the cameras down because they were
• 1:06:29
  never supposed to see it. They they could have said
• 1:06:32
  reasonably that a 30 ought 6 got eaten by Charlie much more
• 1:06:36
  recently, obviously than saying that the chicken bones in his
• 1:06:40
  neck stopped it because he ate vegetables.
• 1:06:44
  They panicked. That was what then?
• 1:06:46
  That's why Terrell was on the phone with me again, this is my
• 1:06:48
  theory and I am now very much sticking to it.
• 1:06:50
  OK, they panicked. It's the reason Erica had to
• 1:06:53
  step out once. That's why she would have got
• 1:06:56
  gotten on the phone with Terrell so quickly.
• 1:06:57
  Because I was going, why is Terrell saying why I didn't want
• 1:06:58
  Erica to relive? Oh, that's why I did it.
• 1:06:59
  He didn't have an answer. He was nervous.
• 1:07:01
  It was crazy. But he acknowledged that he
• 1:07:03
  spoke to Erica immediately. Why did you speak to Erica
• 1:07:04
  immediately? So do you believe that there was
• 1:07:08
  a shape charge that killed? Charlie, hey, can I ask you why
• 1:07:10
  you keep starting clips mid sentence?
• 1:07:12
  Probably to get to where the clip is, no?
• 1:07:13
  It doesn't seem that way. You can always start a clip at
• 1:07:15
  the beginning of a sentence like you're just start of like it's
• 1:07:17
  completely out of context. Wait, I didn't, I didn't prepare
• 1:07:19
  the clips, but I think I didn't, but.
• 1:07:22
  His team did, and that sounds like a tactic that he would
• 1:07:23
  engage in. To ask him to back.
• 1:07:25
  Like I said this, I don't need to say what's happening here.
• 1:07:28
  The Internet will clock it. But in this episode, we are now
• 1:07:32
  going, and that's why I said we're now going to look at some
• 1:07:34
  alternative theories. I made it very clear that this
• 1:07:36
  was a theory that I didn't want to look at.
• 1:07:38
  This is, I believe, because I don't have every episode on my
• 1:07:40
  head. And but I'm pretty sure this is
• 1:07:41
  an episode where we presented the evidence that was in the
• 1:07:43
  car, the photos of what was in the car, right?
• 1:07:45
  And so we are now inferring off of what we see in the car that
• 1:07:49
  this very much does look like. Why did he say it sounds like he
• 1:07:52
  was acknowledging what she was saying when he he just said he
• 1:07:53
  doesn't really know about the clips?
• 1:07:57
  Like that we are see a bunch of shattered rode microphone, which
• 1:08:01
  was an early theory that I was actually interested in but
• 1:08:04
  couldn't really wrap my head around what was the shape charge
• 1:08:07
  explosive as I say at the beginning episode like I just it
• 1:08:09
  was just not my expertise and I was concerning myself with
• 1:08:11
  timelines and stories and saying this didn't make sense without
• 1:08:14
  question Terrell Farnsworth is is someone who made me think
• 1:08:17
  that we were missing a big part of the story.
• 1:08:19
  So I'm walking them through John Bray's theory.
• 1:08:22
  If we started to insert what we are actually observing with the
• 1:08:26
  evidence that we're taking a look at and what took place that
• 1:08:28
  day. So we're completely in the
• 1:08:29
  hypothetical right here and you're now introducing this.
• 1:08:32
  If that's the case, if you're just hypothetically exploring
• 1:08:34
  it, that's fine, just asking directly.
• 1:08:35
  Yes, but if you but that's obvious when you watch this
• 1:08:37
  episode. So that's why it feels like I'm
• 1:08:39
  in the middle of an interview with CNN when they pull up
• 1:08:41
  random clips and they like what's this?
• 1:08:43
  What's this? Bam, that's a little, that's
• 1:08:46
  what's kind of funny. That was funny because like that
• 1:08:48
  would be that's just like a, that's kind of like a low effort
• 1:08:50
  criticism. Oh, it's like I'm on CNNN right
• 1:08:53
  now, right. But it's totally going to work
• 1:08:56
  with his audience. They're like, yeah, Andrew, you
• 1:08:58
  do sound like you're trying to take things out of out of
• 1:09:02
  context, especially since he instantly conceded.
• 1:09:04
  So I I don't really know what the fuck they're talking about,
• 1:09:06
  but it right there, like he instantly concede.
• 1:09:07
  Oh, if that's just what you're talking about, I don't know.
• 1:09:09
  I'm just asking questions. But now people think that his
• 1:09:11
  just asking questions is just an attempt to him to try to like
• 1:09:14
  extract information. He instantly conceded to the
• 1:09:16
  clip. He didn't even he wasn't even
• 1:09:18
  strong in it. I guess he didn't really know
• 1:09:19
  about what was going on but I feel like you should you should
• 1:09:23
  have known what the fuck was going on because that like it
• 1:09:26
  makes you look bad to just bring up a clip.
• 1:09:28
  She explains the context and you instantly concede on it and now
• 1:09:30
  you look like you're just being a Dick head.
• 1:09:33
  Like OK. You watched the episode and
• 1:09:35
  just. Trying to make sure do you think
• 1:09:37
  that your alternative theory? I think John Bray's theory
• 1:09:40
  should be explored, yes. OK.
• 1:09:40
  Do you do you think that Charlie Kirk was killed with an
• 1:09:43
  explosive? I think I think that that is a
• 1:09:45
  possibility, yes, and it should be explored.
• 1:09:47
  He's done a lot of work on it. John Bray has done good work,
• 1:09:49
  and I think that that's why that theory is now starting to gain
• 1:09:52
  steam since we released the second set of the photos of what
• 1:09:55
  was in the car. I think it's viable.
• 1:09:57
  So this was the big thing I wanted to get into with you on
• 1:09:59
  the explosives too. What what is it about that
• 1:10:01
  theory that's actually compelling to you?
• 1:10:02
  So I looked into the explosive mic theory.
• 1:10:04
  If you guys know this, but Andrew Wilson is actually a
• 1:10:06
  profession or a professional bomb, bomb technician, I can't
• 1:10:10
  speak today. He's a professional bomb
• 1:10:12
  technician for the military. He used to do that after he was
• 1:10:15
  a professional sniper, so. Multiple times and he's.
• 1:10:18
  Actually a bomb sniper, he would shoot the bombs underground with
• 1:10:21
  his sniper rifle and he could just sense where they were with
• 1:10:24
  vibes. The biggest thing that stood out
• 1:10:26
  to me is there's no explosion. There's there's literally no
• 1:10:28
  explosion. In fact there's videos when the
• 1:10:30
  shot rings out that kills Charlie.
• 1:10:33
  At least it sounds like a shot to me.
• 1:10:35
  People are actually like looking up towards where the the gun is
• 1:10:38
  being fired. They're looking away for where
• 1:10:41
  the sound is. Like where's the actual
• 1:10:43
  explosion? Well, for every person that you
• 1:10:45
  say looks away, there's going to be a person that was looking
• 1:10:46
  forward. We have former Marines that have
• 1:10:49
  gotten on and said it looks like there's.
• 1:10:52
  Well he is a former Marine though right?
• 1:10:53
  Like he is a Marine sniper. Explosion under his shirt,
• 1:10:56
  right? You obviously saw Rob O'Neil go
• 1:11:00
  on to, I'm forgetting which platform it was where he said.
• 1:11:03
  It's the first thing I thought was like, yeah.
• 1:11:06
  And I think he's qualified to say what he believes he saw.
• 1:11:08
  We we should actually, since they're pulling clips, we should
• 1:11:10
  run that clip of Rob O'Neill and what he said and what he had in
• 1:11:12
  his experience. So I'm going to take that.
• 1:11:15
  And also there were people who tested like immediately spoke to
• 1:11:18
  the media that day who said the same thing, that they thought
• 1:11:19
  that something happened under his shirt.
• 1:11:20
  That was actually, if you go back to my first episode when I
• 1:11:22
  was just observing what I saw with my eyes, I was asking the
• 1:11:25
  serious question. I was seriously saying, why is
• 1:11:26
  like somebody shot him from underneath?
• 1:11:27
  Why is his shirt moving first? Doesn't make sense to me.
• 1:11:29
  And. That's because of air dispersal
• 1:11:31
  from the bullet. So when that?
• 1:11:34
  Doesn't really make sense to me. When whenever a bullet is shot,
• 1:11:37
  a projectile shot. You can actually run this
• 1:11:38
  experiment yourself if you have a rifle.
• 1:11:40
  What? Are you telling her to shoot
• 1:11:41
  herself? What?
• 1:11:42
  Take it like an empty box of ammunition and put it on the
• 1:11:44
  table and then fire it near the muzzle and that box will
• 1:11:47
  actually blow off the table. OK, so.
• 1:11:49
  But they were, they were quite a distance away, you know.
• 1:11:54
  So would that still hold true? What?
• 1:11:57
  Question for you, does that box go sideways off the table?
• 1:12:00
  It can. It can.
• 1:12:01
  Yeah, it can. It depends on the dispersal.
• 1:12:03
  3000 lbs of energy or 2000 lbs of energy coming at you.
• 1:12:06
  That's how much it carries 30. 2000 lbs of energy.
• 1:12:08
  We can Fact Check that. How many, how many, how many
• 1:12:10
  pounds of energy is it? A 30 out six being shot 150
• 1:12:14
  yards away. That's a great question for
• 1:12:15
  Grok. I'm going to say when we looked
• 1:12:16
  at it was between 1500 and 2000, I'm pretty sure pounds of energy
• 1:12:19
  coming at you and you just go upward into the side.
• 1:12:21
  I don't really buy that. I mean, I'm going to just say I
• 1:12:23
  just think that that's not yeah, right.
• 1:12:25
  But possible doesn't go through on top of that.
• 1:12:26
  So there's another miracle. You didn't get blown backwards.
• 1:12:28
  You didn't didn't go through. But I also want to say that
• 1:12:29
  you're saying this can happen. And Rob O'Neil is infinitely
• 1:12:31
  more qualified, I think, to speak on that.
• 1:12:33
  And, well, because he's actually shot and killed people.
• 1:12:36
  Why would that have anything to do with anything it?
• 1:12:38
  Well yeah, Andrew was a sniper. What the fuck?
• 1:12:40
  Did he slow down all the videos of the people he shot to see if
• 1:12:42
  their clothes moved? Well, why are you able to assert
• 1:12:45
  your prison? Because I'm going to, I'm going
• 1:12:46
  to tell you how projectiles were.
• 1:12:47
  He's not even going to just, I guarantee you this guy's not
• 1:12:49
  going to disagree with what I'm about to say.
• 1:12:51
  If it is the case that you have energy and you have mass and the
• 1:12:54
  mass is moving in the air, the air has to go somewhere.
• 1:12:57
  It doesn't have a. Choice.
• 1:12:58
  I think you're like totally piercing right now, Van.
• 1:13:01
  Not only might not be essing. I'm telling you the truth if a
• 1:13:03
  bullet. Is moving air.
• 1:13:05
  Air has to. Move, dude.
• 1:13:05
  He has. There's so like a little like
• 1:13:07
  charity for this guy at this point that it doesn't matter
• 1:13:09
  what he says. Like he's just a goofball.
• 1:13:12
  What he's saying might be true. Nobody cares.
• 1:13:14
  Like he just sounds like a fucking goofy doof is at this
• 1:13:16
  point. Wave Bullet.
• 1:13:17
  But maybe not at the bottom of a shirt here, I don't know.
• 1:13:19
  I just, I disagree with that. I'd like to say for the record,
• 1:13:21
  I've watched some of you do these sorts of things where you
• 1:13:23
  assert something with a lot of confidence and it's it's your
• 1:13:26
  shirt. Bullet displaced.
• 1:13:27
  Air not about whether displaced air it's wear it dispersed the
• 1:13:29
  air underneath his shirt here. It's not underneath the.
• 1:13:31
  Shirt bullet this big and you're telling me it's going to hit his
• 1:13:33
  neck and it's not it is the. Shirt.
• 1:13:35
  The shirt starts up here and the collar's moving, and then you
• 1:13:37
  see the wave here as he's moving backwards.
• 1:13:39
  Yeah. That's not true.
• 1:13:40
  It's not. And we obviously got to show
• 1:13:42
  that clip. OK, I understand.
• 1:13:43
  You can't show it for TOS purposes.
• 1:13:44
  Exactly, I disagree with you. People can go watch and make up
• 1:13:47
  their own minds. We don't need to debate it.
• 1:13:48
  Whether or not it it was the first thing I said was why is
• 1:13:50
  his shirt moving first? That didn't make sense to me.
• 1:13:51
  It it it almost looks just like this.
• 1:13:53
  It goes across his necklace, breaks first before Charlie even
• 1:13:55
  reacts if you watch it in slow. Yeah, they're debating on how
• 1:13:58
  like, well, she, she seems to think that it was, it was some
• 1:14:02
  kind of a, you know, or check dial that the microphone may be
• 1:14:05
  exploded or something. I I have no idea.
• 1:14:07
  It seems preposterous to me. His necklace breaks first, which
• 1:14:10
  I thought was very odd. And then you see a puff here and
• 1:14:12
  the next thing you know, it's like ridiculous.
• 1:14:14
  There's a, there's the entry used on his neck.
• 1:14:17
  I I would not confidently assert that I see smoke.
• 1:14:19
  I've never said on my platform. Do you think that explosion
• 1:14:21
  generally has smoke? What I don't think that there's
• 1:14:24
  any quality version of video that would get us to be able to
• 1:14:26
  answer that question other than Terrell 4K footage that he has
• 1:14:28
  from the front. So there's.
• 1:14:29
  A lot of if you look at the Israeli pagers, it's assumed
• 1:14:32
  that they it's a similar, if not the same type of explosive that
• 1:14:35
  was used inside the pagers that would have been used inside of
• 1:14:37
  this road mic. I think that you should, since
• 1:14:39
  you love debating, you should debate someone like John Bray,
• 1:14:41
  who's worked on that theory for 11 months and ask those sorts of
• 1:14:44
  questions of how a shape charge would work.
• 1:14:45
  I presented the evidence of what was in the car.
• 1:14:47
  And I also at that episode that you're clipping, said John Bray
• 1:14:51
  has done an unbelievable amount of work on this.
• 1:14:52
  And I think he has debated a ton of people actually regarding
• 1:14:55
  this topic. So that's the route that I would
• 1:14:57
  send you on for the purpose of my Yeah, for the purpose of my
• 1:14:59
  show. I, I do believe, to answer your
• 1:15:01
  question, that it is a hypothetical.
• 1:15:03
  I mean that it is a a theory that should be thoroughly
• 1:15:05
  explored. There's two clips your team
• 1:15:07
  wants to show. One of them is the rival Neal
• 1:15:08
  Clips since we're on it. So if you guys are ready in the
• 1:15:10
  back before we go to ad break, do.
• 1:15:11
  You think, do you think Andrew's actually going to talk to that
• 1:15:13
  guy? You know, is Andrew more correct
• 1:15:17
  there? Maybe.
• 1:15:18
  I don't know. That's true.
• 1:15:19
  I guess an exploding microphone would disperse air.
• 1:15:22
  I What the fuck knows dude. If you want to pull it up, this
• 1:15:25
  is a good time to do so. Robin, Good to see you.
• 1:15:31
  General Hall. A lot of things bother me.
• 1:15:33
  It bothers me about this. Nothing in particular.
• 1:15:36
  It's not like I'm out there saying big lie or conspiracy or
• 1:15:39
  someone did it. I'm just saying I've been in a
• 1:15:40
  lot of shootings. I've killed more than a handful
• 1:15:42
  of people and this thing looked shady off the bat.
• 1:15:44
  I mean, just I've killed people closer than I saw the camera and
• 1:15:47
  I've never seen a shirt move like that.
• 1:15:49
  That looks like an explosion to me.
• 1:15:50
  The the just the fact that no one started doing first aid to
• 1:15:53
  Charlie Kirk. They were more concerned about
• 1:15:54
  getting SIM cards out of cameras, removing cameras and
• 1:15:56
  then getting him off the X Somehow there didn't seem a lot
• 1:15:59
  of concern for for his life. It seemed like just cleaning up.
• 1:16:00
  And then, I mean, I've been told they paved it over a couple days
• 1:16:03
  later. And then you get Erica Kirk
• 1:16:05
  behind all the razzle dazzle and she's really quick to forgive
• 1:16:08
  the alleged suitor, which technically says that was him
• 1:16:11
  'cause I forgive him, but that you can't forgive Candace Owens
• 1:16:13
  for having an opinion or asking questions.
• 1:16:14
  And they mock people by saying, oh, I'm just asking questions.
• 1:16:16
  Yeah, I'm a, I'm a COTM6 sniper. I'm asking a lot of questions.
• 1:16:19
  No one wants This guy talks like he's fucking insane.
• 1:16:21
  But OK, fair enough. I mean, OK, let's.
• 1:16:24
  Answer him and you're able to add he's actually said very
• 1:16:27
  little about the explosive there, so.
• 1:16:30
  OK, well, what what's the point of you bringing that clip up?
• 1:16:32
  It sounds like he was just saying that like, yeah, it
• 1:16:33
  looked more like an explosive to him and that there's a lot of
• 1:16:35
  questions to ask. What's?
• 1:16:36
  I don't understand what the point of the clip was, do you
• 1:16:38
  think? He observed, he said.
• 1:16:39
  He's shot people up close and he's never seen a shirt move
• 1:16:41
  like that and it looked to him like an explosive.
• 1:16:43
  That's what he said. But when I play that video at
• 1:16:45
  full speed, I can't see a shirt moving.
• 1:16:48
  I can. Only, I mean, do we feel like
• 1:16:51
  watching it? I I, I frankly don't care, so
• 1:16:54
  I'm not going to watch this guy get shot again.
• 1:16:56
  I. See a shirt moving when we slow
• 1:16:57
  it way down? So if I'm in real time, I'm just
• 1:17:00
  assuming this, right? I mean, if I was in real time
• 1:17:02
  and I was in like a close quarters combat, you kill
• 1:17:04
  somebody's situation and I shot them, would you even see the
• 1:17:08
  shirt move? Well, I just feel like.
• 1:17:09
  What does that have to do with anything?
• 1:17:12
  They're watching the cameras afterward.
• 1:17:14
  What? 5 minutes ago you were arguing
• 1:17:16
  that it was because the bullet carried air, now you're saying
• 1:17:18
  you don't see the shirt move at all.
• 1:17:19
  Yeah. But that's, if you slow it down,
• 1:17:21
  the disbursement of air, that's where you're going to see it,
• 1:17:23
  right. It's going to be very quick,
• 1:17:24
  very, very, very, very fast. And then what's?
• 1:17:27
  What's the point that he's making here?
• 1:17:28
  He saw and clearly it's not what he saw and he thinks that there
• 1:17:31
  could be an explosive. So I'm just saying to you, when
• 1:17:33
  you people disagree with you, your, your opinions on a fact,
• 1:17:34
  that's all I understand. I think that's a good place for
• 1:17:36
  us to if you, if we have another break and then we can keep
• 1:17:39
  answer answering your questions. Yeah.
• 1:17:40
  I mean, I think yeah, sounds good.
• 1:17:43
  Perfect. Sounds good.
• 1:17:43
  He needs another cigarette, guys.
• 1:17:44
  He's getting washed out. We'll do a quick 3 1/2 minute at
• 1:17:46
  break. We'll be back for the last
• 1:17:47
  segment. Cool.
• 1:17:48
  All right. Thank you.
• 1:17:49
  Whoa, that's incredible. All right, I'm going to go pee.
• 1:17:52
  You know, the ads run. If we're reacting to somebody's
• 1:17:54
  stuff, we'll leave the ads going.
• 1:17:55
  But I'm going to piss. I don't need to listen to it.
• 1:17:57
  There's nothing for me to react to.
• 1:17:58
  All right, you guys, I want to tell you about Ethos because
• 1:18:00
  life has a way of changing your priorities when you least expect
• 1:18:03
  it. One day you're focused on what's
• 1:18:05
  next for you, the next you're thinking about a home, a family,
• 1:18:06
  and how to build a future that feels secure.
• 1:18:08
  Does your world grow? So does your perspective.
• 1:18:10
  That shift in mindset is what led me to make life insurance a
• 1:18:13
  priority. It's one of those things that's
• 1:18:14
  easy to put off, but having it in place gives me Peace of Mind
• 1:18:16
  knowing that the people that I care about would have financial
• 1:18:18
  support if the unexpected ever happened.
• 1:18:20
  Getting covered today is simpler, faster, and more
• 1:18:21
  affordable than many people realize.
• 1:18:23
  That's why I love Ethos, because with Ethos, you can apply online
• 1:18:25
  in just minutes. No medical exams, no waiting
• 1:18:27
  rooms, just answer a few health questions and you could be
• 1:18:29
  covered the very same day. Ethos has 4.9 out of five stars
• 1:18:32
  on Trustpilot with over 5500 reviews.
• 1:18:34
  What really stands out to me is that Ethos helps match you with
• 1:18:36
  coverage to actually fit your life, your goals and your
• 1:18:38
  budget. With up to $3,000,000 in
• 1:18:40
  coverage and plans starting around $30.00 a month, setting
• 1:18:42
  your family can feel a whole lot more doable.
• 1:18:44
  Peace of Mind should not be complicated, so take 10 minutes
• 1:18:46
  to get covered today with life insurance through Ethos
• 1:18:49
  getyourfreequote@ethos.com/candace. That's ET hos.com/candace.
• 1:18:54
  Application times and rates may vary.
• 1:18:55
  And I want to remind you guys about Tax Network USA because I
• 1:18:58
  know a lot to owe back taxes. Maybe you have years of unfiled
• 1:19:01
  returns if you file every year and you still can't get ahead
• 1:19:03
  because the balance keeps growing.
• 1:19:04
  Or maybe you withdrew money from a four O 1K or IRA and suddenly
• 1:19:06
  got hit with a tax bill that you didn't expect.
• 1:19:08
  Whatever caused the problem, one thing is certain, the IRS
• 1:19:10
  penalties and interest keep adding up every single month.
• 1:19:12
  If you don't have a plan now, you could end up owing even more
• 1:19:14
  next tax season. Before the IRS starts sending
• 1:19:16
  more letters, garnishing wages or freezing your bank account,
• 1:19:18
  call Tax Network USA. They've been helping taxpayers
• 1:19:20
  nationwide for more than 15 years, resolving back taxes,
• 1:19:23
  unfiled returns and serious IRS problems.
• 1:19:25
  So whether you owe $10,000 or $10 million, their team has
• 1:19:28
  resolved over $1 billion in tax debt.
• 1:19:30
  Right now, they're offering a free IRS investigative call to
• 1:19:32
  find out exactly what you owe and what options you have to fix
• 1:19:34
  it. So call 866-686-1651 or visit
• 1:19:38
  tnusa.com/candace. Again, that's TN.
• 1:19:40
  Usa.com/candace. I just want to tell you guys
• 1:19:44
  about Field of Greens because I'm always looking past the
• 1:19:45
  headlines and asking one simple question.
• 1:19:46
  What is really in the product I'm putting into my body?
• 1:19:48
  Think about it, When you buy a steak or a bag of vegetables,
• 1:19:51
  you see nutrition facts label. When companies take fruits and
• 1:19:53
  vegetables and turn them into a formula, we'll often see a
• 1:19:56
  supplemental facts label instead.
• 1:19:57
  That makes me want to know more. Where do the ingredients come
• 1:19:59
  from? How are they processed and can I
• 1:20:00
  trust what's actually inside? That's the reason I love Field
• 1:20:03
  of Greens, because their focus is on quality, transparency, and
• 1:20:05
  bringing together fruits and vegetables in a convenient daily
• 1:20:07
  formula. And it actually tastes good.
• 1:20:09
  Balberry is my favorite, but strawberry lemonade is a popular
• 1:20:11
  choice as well. No complicated routine, just one
• 1:20:13
  scoop mixed with water. If you want to try it, use code
• 1:20:15
  Candace at checkout for 20% off your first order by visiting
• 1:20:18
  Field of greens.com. That's code Candace at
• 1:20:21
  fieldofgreens.com. All right.
• 1:20:23
  Fantastic. So Andrew, if you want to go
• 1:20:24
  with your last couple of. Thoughts.
• 1:20:26
  Yeah, So I just have two, two more clips to play, right?
• 1:20:28
  And then I we can do final thoughts I'm guessing?
• 1:20:32
  He really, he really, he really needs this to be debate
• 1:20:35
  structure for him. He's like a little baby.
• 1:20:37
  He's like a little baby that needs like that.
• 1:20:39
  He has he has to have his sandwich cut in a certain way to
• 1:20:43
  eat it like he's. That's all this is.
• 1:20:46
  I yeah, I feel like we got where we were trying to go, or at
• 1:20:49
  least for the most part. So the two other clips, I do
• 1:20:52
  want to play the twigs clip, that one is important to me, the
• 1:20:54
  Twigs DNA clip and they're going to pull it up just to have you.
• 1:20:57
  Respond well, you don't have to play it because like if if
• 1:20:59
  you're saying that when I initially watched it, I thought
• 1:21:02
  that Lance twigs DNA like he was directly responding to that
• 1:21:04
  because the testimony was a bit confusing.
• 1:21:05
  They started by saying that they were going to like explaining
• 1:21:09
  how they got the samples and they said Lance, Matt and
• 1:21:10
  Amberson, sorry, Lance, Matt and Amber Robinson, how they got
• 1:21:13
  their DNA samples. And then they started speaking
• 1:21:15
  about the gun and said, you know, multiple prints were found
• 1:21:18
  on them and then they moved and they said Lance twigs DNA was
• 1:21:20
  found on the screwdriver. When I went back and rewatched
• 1:21:23
  it, I realized, well, they haven't officially said that
• 1:21:25
  Lance or Amber are on the gun. So I think I've already conceded
• 1:21:28
  that we don't know that. So I think like, but if you're
• 1:21:30
  if you want to know this. It is on the gun, I'm saying
• 1:21:35
  that. I feel like I've already said to
• 1:21:37
  you, like I've made that concession, but just to be
• 1:21:39
  clear, whenever I make a mistake, I just correct it.
• 1:21:41
  So that's why when you were asking me three times, I've
• 1:21:43
  already said we don't know yet and I've corrected that mistake.
• 1:21:46
  So if the purpose of you showing this is to demonstrate that
• 1:21:48
  Candace makes mistakes sometimes when she's taking a lot of
• 1:21:51
  information and she's reading through legal documents and
• 1:21:54
  she's trying to remember 9 hour testimony, it's just.
• 1:21:56
  Demonstrate something else. It is in fact the case.
• 1:21:58
  We're all going to make mistakes I'm going to make.
• 1:21:59
  I've already, I've already you're going.
• 1:22:00
  To make a mistake in the case, but in this case you were very
• 1:22:03
  adamant that his DNA was on the gun itself.
• 1:22:07
  It it sounds like she already walked this back because she
• 1:22:09
  made a mistake or something. Whatever.
• 1:22:10
  I don't it just what's the point?
• 1:22:12
  I think he just really wants to bring up the clip because he
• 1:22:14
  thinks it looks good for him, but he knows it's not going to
• 1:22:15
  look good for him. And now she's already explained
• 1:22:17
  it so there's going to be no impact on whatever they're
• 1:22:18
  showing. So.
• 1:22:19
  Yeah. So I'm just saying that it's not
• 1:22:21
  ruled out. We know that there's five plus
• 1:22:22
  prints. I've said this so many times I
• 1:22:23
  had to rewatch the testimony against like 9 hours a day.
• 1:22:26
  It got very scientific when they were speaking about this and I
• 1:22:28
  think I wrongly extrapolated that they meant all three of
• 1:22:30
  them were on the Prince when the only person they officially
• 1:22:32
  named was Matt Robinson. So we don't know yet if Lance
• 1:22:35
  Twiggs has his DNA on the Prince, DNA on the gun
• 1:22:38
  officially just yet. OK, I've already conceded that
• 1:22:40
  so. That's fine.
• 1:22:41
  And then the last one is 1 with Erica Kirk.
• 1:22:43
  Sure. Damn he's getting dog walked so
• 1:22:45
  fucking hard. This is like the Erica Kirk,
• 1:22:47
  like all right, Erica, you could just sit down with me, Erica,
• 1:22:50
  but we can do it this way. This goes.
• 1:22:51
  Back to a previous claim that you made by bringing it up.
• 1:22:54
  I straight to jail. Straight to jail for questioning
• 1:22:57
  at least. Erica, I don't care who's mad.
• 1:22:59
  I really do not care who wants to be upset after this episode,
• 1:23:03
  really. You'll be wasting your breath.
• 1:23:04
  You can spend a billion dollars on influencers because this is
• 1:23:07
  all becoming increasingly inexplicable.
• 1:23:08
  You are asking me to be an idiot, actually, and I cannot do
• 1:23:11
  that for you. Someone once commented beneath
• 1:23:14
  this show that if the situations were reversed and there were
• 1:23:18
  this many verifiable lies. Straight, straight to jail.
• 1:23:23
  Yeah, so that's the show. But what that's I don't
• 1:23:25
  understand what was it sounds like she was just being extra.
• 1:23:33
  What? What is?
• 1:23:34
  What's the own there? Intro and straight straight to
• 1:23:36
  Dell's monopoly term. So do not Pasco, do not collect
• 1:23:39
  $200. That was his big smoking gun.
• 1:23:42
  He needs to go back and smoke cigarettes here.
• 1:23:44
  It's. Obviously tongue in cheek.
• 1:23:45
  And then we explain that actually I think that she should
• 1:23:47
  be brought in for questioning because of inconsistencies.
• 1:23:49
  So this is the exact episode when I started to think that she
• 1:23:52
  should be sat down and questioned.
• 1:23:53
  And I still believe that. I still hold the perspective
• 1:23:55
  that Erica should be sat down and she should be properly
• 1:23:58
  questioned. Do you know that she hasn't?
• 1:24:00
  Been No, actually, that would be a great thing for the
• 1:24:01
  spokesperson of Turning Point USA to say that she's already.
• 1:24:03
  I. Mean my guess would be she
• 1:24:04
  hasn't because they returned everything to her but.
• 1:24:06
  Why do they owe you that though? They don't owe me anything.
• 1:24:09
  That's my show. You're watching just, you know,
• 1:24:10
  the clips that you're pulling it from my show.
• 1:24:11
  So if I want to say something on my show, I can say that I didn't
• 1:24:14
  say they owe me something. I don't think that's ever
• 1:24:15
  listened. That you say like you need to.
• 1:24:17
  How? Does how is he making a Candace
• 1:24:18
  seem so like intelligent here? This is actually insane.
• 1:24:20
  What what what kind of an argument is Well what does she
• 1:24:22
  owe you? What?
• 1:24:26
  Be sat down for questioning and you don't even know if they
• 1:24:28
  haven't been. OK, that's strange, right?
• 1:24:30
  Do you know if they have been? No, I have no idea.
• 1:24:32
  So you're just saying what if they haven't been?
• 1:24:34
  Yeah, if you're, if you're entire, if your entire thing is
• 1:24:37
  junk, if you're no, it's not junk.
• 1:24:38
  If if the IT. Is pretty much junk.
• 1:24:40
  The query is, why is it that Erica Kirk's not being sat down
• 1:24:43
  for questioning, but you have absolutely no knowledge whether
• 1:24:45
  or not she's been sat down for questioning or not?
• 1:24:47
  What that does is it creates an innuendo.
• 1:24:48
  It creates an inference. It creates out to the ethos that
• 1:24:52
  this should be happening because something's wrong here, when you
• 1:24:54
  actually don't have the knowledge that anything's wrong
• 1:24:56
  at all. OK.
• 1:24:57
  I just think that my opinion is that she should be sat down in
• 1:25:00
  questions. But you're not sure if she
• 1:25:02
  hasn't been? Yeah.
• 1:25:02
  And you're not sure if she has been either.
• 1:25:04
  So like I said, I feel like now you're just kind of filling the
• 1:25:06
  air. To my knowledge.
• 1:25:07
  Wow, to my knowledge, I'm sorry but.
• 1:25:10
  You. Go in there and you defend
• 1:25:11
  Erica. And I have to say, I don't think
• 1:25:12
  you've done an extraordinary job with that.
• 1:25:13
  But I'm not here to defend Erica the thing.
• 1:25:15
  Is well, he seems to be there to defend Erica.
• 1:25:17
  There was like. Four out of five of the clips
• 1:25:19
  that you had on the ready when we asked you guys ahead of time.
• 1:25:21
  I mean, I want to just assert how professionally we have dealt
• 1:25:23
  with this debate. As you can see, we have not
• 1:25:25
  planned any gotcha clips for Andrew.
• 1:25:27
  I expressed to him that what we were going to do was just to use
• 1:25:29
  people for fact checks and because I might not remember or
• 1:25:31
  something or I. That's true.
• 1:25:33
  I mean, there's plenty of gotchas that you could get on
• 1:25:35
  this guy do. You remember something and
• 1:25:36
  you're saying no, and that is what I think will register to
• 1:25:39
  people as very fair. We did not take out of context
• 1:25:41
  clips of Andrew. To try to repressively say at
• 1:25:44
  least I mean. We did not, no.
• 1:25:45
  When you said you were going to bring claims that you want me to
• 1:25:47
  speak to, you didn't say I intend on sitting you down
• 1:25:51
  without of contexted clips to which we said to you before in
• 1:25:54
  an e-mail. Any clips you want to share with
• 1:25:55
  us, send it over. Let's assert a debate claim so
• 1:25:57
  that we can both be ready to respond to it.
• 1:25:58
  This just. Not really what happened.
• 1:26:00
  Well, what's not? Yeah, this, this the way that
• 1:26:02
  you're framing the exchange. That's not that's not actually
• 1:26:05
  what happened. We were negotiated.
• 1:26:06
  It is true. We negotiated out the claim
• 1:26:09
  itself, right. Which one's going to take which
• 1:26:10
  position? I want to make sure that I had
• 1:26:11
  at least an hour and a half on mine.
• 1:26:13
  And you got the time for yours to question me.
• 1:26:14
  We did. We got through your hour and a
• 1:26:15
  half on mine, roughly an hour and a half now on mine.
• 1:26:18
  That's basically how this went. But in the beginning, I did not
• 1:26:21
  take an hour and a half to just pull out of context list with
• 1:26:23
  Angie. I actually obeyed the substance
• 1:26:24
  of what's going on in the trial and miss hearing.
• 1:26:25
  And I, I do think that you fell, I think you fell short of.
• 1:26:27
  That there's nothing out of. Hang on.
• 1:26:29
  There's nothing here except holding you.
• 1:26:31
  Say yes or no. Well, we were supposed to be
• 1:26:33
  dating, to be debating the case and whether or not there was
• 1:26:36
  overwhelming evidence. Yes, Sir, your claims about the
• 1:26:38
  case. No, you then admitted that that
• 1:26:40
  now you're getting into another sphere and you're you want to
• 1:26:42
  talk about the transcendentals and things that I've said and
• 1:26:45
  like 4 out of five of your clips are about Erica Kirk.
• 1:26:46
  So the general I. Don't think 4 out of 5 even.
• 1:26:48
  Is your turning points port you? Don't think I see.
• 1:26:50
  Just quite a few of them were. Was there three?
• 1:26:52
  The mayor does. There four.
• 1:26:53
  I mean, at this point it does. I mean, I believe it.
• 1:26:56
  I think a lot of people believe it.
• 1:26:57
  I mean, he worked for them. He probably still works for
• 1:26:59
  them. Who knows?
• 1:26:59
  He's a liar, so you can't really.
• 1:27:01
  And he's dishonest and he knows he is.
• 1:27:02
  So you can't really take anything he says at face value.
• 1:27:06
  He's asking a lot of questions. He's very positive.
• 1:27:09
  I mean, like, yeah, this is the problem.
• 1:27:10
  Even if it's not true, I mean, it sounds true enough.
• 1:27:13
  And Candace, she comes off as more credible than him, so.
• 1:27:19
  Can. We get a count of how many were
• 1:27:20
  about Erica. I feel like who was 3/3?
• 1:27:22
  OK, three. I said 4.
• 1:27:23
  But those are extraordinary claims.
• 1:27:25
  That's why you're asking. OK, well, OK, but the point
• 1:27:27
  being is now you're veering into trying to get me to defend my
• 1:27:29
  opinions and then you completely shirk responsibility when I
• 1:27:31
  point out yours. No, they're not claims when you
• 1:27:33
  tweet. Erica is too retarded.
• 1:27:34
  You go, that's just whatever and then you move on.
• 1:27:36
  That's a. Claim that I'm responsible for
• 1:27:38
  the claim. Well, earlier when I brought it
• 1:27:41
  up, you said that it was tongue in cheek.
• 1:27:43
  Yes, sure. I.
• 1:27:44
  That's me. That's funny.
• 1:27:47
  Wow. He instantly walked that one
• 1:27:49
  back up to a claim. But you said you were joking.
• 1:27:51
  Wow. OK, well, he just he just talks
• 1:27:55
  himself into a corner over and over.
• 1:27:56
  He probably likes being there, you know, definitely a cut
• 1:27:59
  corner kind of guy be. Responding to your criticism of
• 1:28:02
  the claim, that's all I'm doing. Here was interested and.
• 1:28:05
  And I'm happy to get into also the Patsy stuff now if you would
• 1:28:07
  like to your. Team has one more clip than. 1.
• 1:28:10
  More. Clip We were getting into the
• 1:28:11
  Patsy stuff and you stopped it and I was explaining to you they
• 1:28:14
  have one more clip. OK, let's go.
• 1:28:16
  They want to hit the minimum of four clips.
• 1:28:17
  You were saying with Erica so. 100% this is absurd.
• 1:28:23
  That was a funny joke. OK.
• 1:28:25
  And this is the one you're saying from 7 days ago?
• 1:28:29
  OK, it's awfully quiet. OK.
• 1:28:37
  While they're looking for that, do you want to continue?
• 1:28:39
  Yeah, I I mean, can I ask a question?
• 1:28:40
  I know it's been or like, can I ask a question?
• 1:28:42
  Are we? Not really.
• 1:28:43
  We're I'm just going to, we're giving a hold to the actual
• 1:28:45
  contract itself. The contract is does not say
• 1:28:48
  that you are allowed to just question me without me being
• 1:28:51
  able. Did he just say no?
• 1:28:52
  To respond like can I ask a question?
• 1:28:53
  Are we? Not really.
• 1:28:54
  We're just, I'm just going to, we're giving a hold to the
• 1:28:56
  actual contract itself. Dude, what?
• 1:29:00
  That I'm sorry, I'm sorry. To me, that's the fucking that's
• 1:29:04
  the biggest like smoking gun of this entire thing.
• 1:29:06
  Or that's like the most humiliating part of this.
• 1:29:11
  Hey, can I ask a question? No, we're going to stick to the
• 1:29:13
  contract. I mean, like, OK, I get it, but
• 1:29:15
  also you sound like a fucking pussy.
• 1:29:17
  You sound like such a pussy, dude.
• 1:29:19
  I don't know. That's fucking.
• 1:29:20
  That's some coward shit. Also like the fact that they
• 1:29:24
  were able to even get that into the contract is just pathetic.
• 1:29:30
  Why can't she ask questions back?
• 1:29:34
  If anything I I wonder if she asked that question to get that
• 1:29:37
  answer from him because it just makes this whole conversation
• 1:29:42
  seem so strange that she's like she's on trial right now and
• 1:29:46
  that Andrew's too much of A coward to answer a question
• 1:29:48
  back. The contract is does not say
• 1:29:51
  that you are allowed to just question me without me being
• 1:29:53
  able to respond to you. I've never said you can.
• 1:29:55
  Or have a conversation. You've been able to respond to
• 1:29:57
  every question I've asked you. And by the way, the the other
• 1:29:59
  thing is is like. Have it your way.
• 1:30:01
  I want it to look like we've done everything Andrew wanted to
• 1:30:03
  so that people can fairly assess the situation.
• 1:30:05
  So you have it your way. I will not ask a question.
• 1:30:06
  Totally fair with me. Damn.
• 1:30:09
  Dude, I don't think he realized that he that she just fucking
• 1:30:12
  smoked him so hard there. Dude, he looks so dumb.
• 1:30:17
  He really is looks so fucking stupid.
• 1:30:19
  So are you good with her asking a question?
• 1:30:20
  Or no, he said no, waiting for the clip.
• 1:30:22
  OK. So you want to wait for the clip
• 1:30:23
  first? OK.
• 1:30:24
  You guys have it in the back? Dude, that's crazy.
• 1:30:28
  OK, beautiful. Wow,
• 1:30:42
  wow in. Jeopardy team told me they had
• 1:30:43
  it so. That's what I heard.
• 1:30:45
  OK. Come on guys, did.
• 1:30:46
  This crime okay because Lance twigs has his DNA on the towel.
• 1:30:51
  Lance twigs has his DNA on the rifle.
• 1:30:54
  And to be clear, Lance twigs DNA was not as degraded as Tyler
• 1:30:58
  Robinsons DNA was on Tylers rifle.
• 1:31:01
  It's Tylers rifle. Oh, you also said yeah, it's not
• 1:31:03
  as degraded on the rifle. Yeah, I thought he was.
• 1:31:06
  Didn't didn't she really walk this back and say that she made
• 1:31:07
  a mistake because she got confused?
• 1:31:08
  It's one of the things, but I've already that's what I mean when
• 1:31:11
  I say that. Like it just seems like you're
• 1:31:12
  not actually here trying to engage because I even before you
• 1:31:15
  got to this and I knew that you had some secret clip planned.
• 1:31:17
  I said to you when I rewatched the testimony, I realized they
• 1:31:19
  didn't explicitly say Lance twigs.
• 1:31:20
  They said five other profiles were on it and that his was the
• 1:31:23
  most degraded. So I hope your team feels
• 1:31:26
  fulfilled in playing that. Is there any more?
• 1:31:28
  I'm happy to play every clip that he has on the ready.
• 1:31:30
  Anybody. You said you said you had some
• 1:31:33
  new evidence at the beginning of the.
• 1:31:34
  Oh yeah, we should show that. Why did they bother showing that
• 1:31:36
  clip? I I don't understand a.
• 1:31:38
  Text message that you write just because I think that's important
• 1:31:40
  for the public. You shared it out of context.
• 1:31:42
  I'll do it on my show. I'll share the the text.
• 1:31:44
  So you're going to read it on my show?
• 1:31:46
  Wait, what? Why wouldn't he share this text
• 1:31:48
  message? You said you said you had some
• 1:31:49
  new evidence at the beginning of the.
• 1:31:51
  Oh yeah, we should show that text message that you write just
• 1:31:52
  because I think that's important for the public.
• 1:31:54
  You shared it out of context. I'll do it on my show.
• 1:31:59
  What? Why?
• 1:32:01
  If you have new evidence, why wouldn't you share it right
• 1:32:03
  then? Also, aren't they streaming it
• 1:32:05
  on his show? I'm pretty sure they're
• 1:32:06
  streaming it on Andrew's thing, on his channel, on Candace's
• 1:32:11
  channel, and on the PBD whatever the fuck channel.
• 1:32:15
  So why wouldn't you share it? Now you're on your show.
• 1:32:18
  I'll share the the so you're. Gonna read it on my show but not
• 1:32:20
  show it. Correct.
• 1:32:22
  Why does he what? Dude, that's he.
• 1:32:27
  He looks like such a clown right now, holy fuck.
• 1:32:31
  I'll show it on my show but. Why?
• 1:32:33
  That's that's what I'll do. I'll show it on my.
• 1:32:35
  Can I ask why? Well, because I want to drip out
• 1:32:38
  the evidence, you know, it's. He looks like a fucking moron
• 1:32:41
  here. That's.
• 1:32:42
  Got to drip out that evidence. Keep people coming back for the
• 1:32:44
  show, right? I don't know if snarks.
• 1:32:49
  I I mean, I'm sure he's kidding. He's just not funny.
• 1:32:52
  Nobody thinks he's funny at all, but like, is part of this true?
• 1:32:57
  Like it just you're just infantilizing your own evidence
• 1:32:59
  at this point. Serves you so well.
• 1:33:01
  I'm just saying like it's true. I'll, I'll, I'll release it
• 1:33:04
  there. Why?
• 1:33:06
  That's that's if this is a smoking gun that could destroy
• 1:33:08
  Candace, why wouldn't you release it now?
• 1:33:11
  My intention, but yeah, I'm fine with closing because if you want
• 1:33:14
  to do. Closing I also would just if if
• 1:33:16
  I may ask a question is, is that a this?
• 1:33:17
  Is pathetic. What the fuck?
• 1:33:19
  Permitted. Go ahead.
• 1:33:20
  Just so I also have clarity since your basis has been
• 1:33:23
  evidentiary. You keep saying that you have
• 1:33:24
  evidence or like you are following evidence.
• 1:33:27
  Which one of the charges against or or all of them do you think
• 1:33:31
  Tyler Robinson is guilty of? Damn.
• 1:33:34
  I think, I think this is the clip that like, really fucks
• 1:33:36
  him. The specific charge, yeah.
• 1:33:39
  So I think what I think is that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie
• 1:33:44
  Kirk. Yeah, but of the seven charges
• 1:33:46
  that he's damn. Yeah, can we list them real
• 1:33:48
  quick? I'll tell you exactly which
• 1:33:49
  ones. We'll pull them up.
• 1:33:50
  Well, do do you know any of the charges these these up for right
• 1:33:52
  now? Yeah.
• 1:33:53
  Of course, but I want to make sure that we have them listed.
• 1:33:55
  Yeah, but but like that's. He doesn't.
• 1:33:57
  He doesn't know them. You name 1 because my my general
• 1:33:59
  perspective is that you don't actually care about this case.
• 1:34:00
  You're not. Following that is that's the
• 1:34:02
  that's the question. I mean, yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:34:05
  He doesn't seem to care at all. He didn't prepare at all.
• 1:34:07
  It's not partly he doesn't. He's just floundering around the
• 1:34:09
  whole time. And frankly, I do believe he's
• 1:34:11
  there for Erica Kirk. I think that he likes blondes.
• 1:34:15
  He usually harasses young ones on that podcast where he does
• 1:34:17
  manosphere weird shit. But I think Erica Kirk, the
• 1:34:20
  autistic masked lesbian gave him like a hand job, a disinterested
• 1:34:23
  hand job. And I think that he, you know,
• 1:34:26
  he worked for them as some kind of debate coach.
• 1:34:28
  He might still work for them. He's obviously, it's, in my
• 1:34:30
  opinion, he's in there to desperately ask legal questions.
• 1:34:36
  That's what it kind of seems like.
• 1:34:37
  It seems like they're there to ask legal questions, try to pin
• 1:34:39
  them down with like, legal bullshit, but it doesn't seem
• 1:34:43
  like he even knows anything about it.
• 1:34:45
  And I think that he spends most of his time debating the same
• 1:34:48
  shit over and over again. Why It's OK?
• 1:34:50
  Like you don't need consent in marriages.
• 1:34:52
  Why women should be thankful that men don't rape them?
• 1:34:55
  Why feminism be bad? Why?
• 1:34:57
  I don't know. I guess slavery was OK according
• 1:35:00
  to the Bible. Sometimes depending on the, the,
• 1:35:02
  you know, the circumstance. So But he, this is like a new
• 1:35:05
  one. He didn't prepare for this.
• 1:35:06
  He just kind of came in and was like, that's what he was like.
• 1:35:10
  OK, So yeah, I agree. It's not.
• 1:35:19
  Following it seems. Pretty like, if you're going to
• 1:35:21
  engage and you're going to say the evidence is overwhelming
• 1:35:22
  that Tyler Robinson is guilty, I just think that you should.
• 1:35:25
  By the way, he said it was 85%. He was 85% sure.
• 1:35:27
  I'm pretty sure at the beginning of this.
• 1:35:28
  I need to find overwhelming as he believes it a lot.
• 1:35:30
  Like can you tell me one then let's.
• 1:35:32
  Do the turners You can. Really.
• 1:35:33
  Yeah. Hang on, this is a great no.
• 1:35:34
  No, you just got to ask me. Play clips out of context could
• 1:35:36
  be in the hot seat, so please just answer the question.
• 1:35:38
  Came all seven since you've been following the case.
• 1:35:41
  OK, sure you name you name 1. Yeah, he names all 7.
• 1:35:43
  I'm happy to do that. Can you name 1?
• 1:35:44
  I think he's, I think he's been charged with murder.
• 1:35:46
  That's actually. Okay, great, now name all ham.
• 1:35:49
  Seven he doesn't even this is like name all 7 and and I can
• 1:35:52
  you. Name all 7.
• 1:35:53
  I can't. Do it.
• 1:35:54
  Sure, you don't have to. Do it.
• 1:35:55
  No, Do it. I'll count him.
• 1:35:56
  Go ahead. He's so aggressive and he's
• 1:35:57
  about to get fucked so hard. You don't have to put your
• 1:36:00
  fingers up. OK, Yeah, sure.
• 1:36:02
  The first charge is aggravated murder because that's what
• 1:36:04
  carries a death sentence on the state of you.
• 1:36:05
  No, that's not that is literally not murder.
• 1:36:07
  OK. And so just for people.
• 1:36:08
  No, don't. I don't have to do it in a time
• 1:36:09
  limit. There's nothing going on.
• 1:36:10
  And just explain people. The difference of why that
• 1:36:12
  really matters and shows that he doesn't actually care about this
• 1:36:14
  at all is because aggravated murder.
• 1:36:16
  It's it's narrowly defined. And because it carries a death
• 1:36:18
  sentence. I'm not.
• 1:36:19
  I'm going to answer the question.
• 1:36:20
  I'm just going to recognize. He's so fucking terrified right
• 1:36:22
  now. Is that your strategy of
• 1:36:23
  thinking that people are intimidated when you try to put
• 1:36:25
  a time constraint doesn't work and you'll be.
• 1:36:26
  Better the next time you did. I got it, I got it.
• 1:36:28
  Give me the other ones. The more you cut me off, the
• 1:36:29
  longer I'll take. Do you want to just wait for me
• 1:36:31
  to finish up? Why?
• 1:36:31
  That's a big difference. So the people.
• 1:36:32
  Don't want you to list the charges.
• 1:36:34
  Yeah, I'm going to do that. You just don't get to pretend
• 1:36:36
  that there's a time constraint for me to.
• 1:36:37
  Do that well, how long does it take you to list 7 charges?
• 1:36:39
  Because I'm. Jesus Christ speaking, you just
• 1:36:41
  got to. Sounds like you're just delaying
• 1:36:42
  it because you don't know. I know all seven of them and I'm
• 1:36:44
  going to say again, dude. He's so terrified.
• 1:36:46
  It's like you're going to get embarrassed.
• 1:36:47
  You don't have to rush this. I'm also showing an example.
• 1:36:49
  He doesn't. He doesn't want her to explain
• 1:36:51
  the context of that charge because he's fucking terrified.
• 1:36:55
  Simple of a very flawed debate strategy.
• 1:36:57
  I actually wonder. No time constraint.
• 1:36:59
  I got 1. Great.
• 1:37:00
  The second charge is the felony discharge of a weapon.
• 1:37:04
  The next two charges are for obstruction of justice.
• 1:37:07
  The next two charges are for witness tampering and who.
• 1:37:10
  Is the specific charges though? That is them obstruction of
• 1:37:13
  justice. Obstruction.
• 1:37:13
  He couldn't name a single one, so I don't know why he's asking
• 1:37:16
  the Hercules question. Justice.
• 1:37:17
  Witness tampering. Witness tampering.
• 1:37:18
  OK. And there's no other specifics
• 1:37:20
  to him. Well, we I can tell you why he's
• 1:37:21
  being no. No, just the the charges and
• 1:37:23
  then seven. Yeah, see, the bad thing is when
• 1:37:24
  you try to be an A hole and it doesn't work.
• 1:37:26
  What's the seven? The last charge is violence in
• 1:37:28
  front of a minor. Oh.
• 1:37:29
  Damn, he just got dog walked. I know there, I know.
• 1:37:34
  There's still more. They're about to prove it.
• 1:37:36
  OK, got it. So then he's being charged with
• 1:37:38
  murder. You just say aggravated murder.
• 1:37:40
  That's the distinction. You just want to.
• 1:37:42
  It's a, it's a massive, it's like you can't even you cannot
• 1:37:44
  say murder versus aggravated murder.
• 1:37:45
  This gets to the entire crux of why him being up up for the
• 1:37:48
  death sentence. And I actually find the
• 1:37:52
  defense's filing about why this is not aggravated to be very
• 1:37:56
  compelling of why it's not aggravated reaction that the
• 1:37:58
  state was going to even try to pull this off.
• 1:38:00
  They should have charged him with just murder.
• 1:38:02
  And then I do also, again, want to stress to audiences that that
• 1:38:06
  debate strategy of thinking that you have to speak faster or
• 1:38:09
  somebody put your hand up and they try to pretend like it's
• 1:38:11
  some sport. I think it thinks it's a blood
• 1:38:12
  sport. It's not.
• 1:38:13
  It's about being right and being principled when you're engaging
• 1:38:15
  and you can make mistakes. I make mistakes all the time.
• 1:38:17
  But at least be genuine in pretending that you care about
• 1:38:20
  this case enough to know one of the seven charges that are up
• 1:38:22
  against Tyler Robinson. When you say the evidence is
• 1:38:23
  overwhelming that he's guilty. If you would like to move to
• 1:38:26
  final statements, I'm fine. I want to make sure Andrew has
• 1:38:28
  had the time that he has requested.
• 1:38:30
  I think your team would like to pull up the seven charges that
• 1:38:32
  he just asked you about, if you guys want to pull that up.
• 1:38:34
  Damn, her team wants to pull it up.
• 1:38:37
  They're who? They're rubbing the salt in that
• 1:38:39
  fucking wound, dude. They're fucking Andrew's about
• 1:38:42
  to get carved. I don't know what else to tell
• 1:38:44
  you. Just to confirm the seven you
• 1:38:45
  went through, can you guys zoom in a little?
• 1:38:48
  Bit further aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm,
• 1:38:51
  obstruction, obstruction, obstruction of justice, which is
• 1:38:54
  comes three and four, five and six, tampering with a witness
• 1:38:56
  and comes seven. Violent, I said.
• 1:38:58
  Offense in the presence of a minor.
• 1:38:59
  Yeah, so 56 tampering witness, third degree felony.
• 1:39:02
  Now I did notice something. I just was.
• 1:39:04
  Did she get them all or did she get 5 of the seven?
• 1:39:06
  I was. Curious about if I'm just
• 1:39:08
  wondering when you pulled out your phone just before you asked
• 1:39:10
  that question, did somebody by chance text you that question?
• 1:39:12
  You can check my dude. He's so scared.
• 1:39:14
  He's looking for something. He's looking for something, he's
• 1:39:17
  looking for something to win on. He's not going to find it.
• 1:39:20
  This is so. This is so pathetic dude.
• 1:39:22
  Holy shit. I'm just.
• 1:39:23
  Curious. No, you can absolutely not.
• 1:39:25
  I didn't. I have not had one communication
• 1:39:26
  with a single person. Not even.
• 1:39:28
  I feel like why would she need to do that if this is all she
• 1:39:30
  talks about all day? I wouldn't make sense to me that
• 1:39:32
  he she would like have a general understanding.
• 1:39:34
  My producers who are in there this whole time we were here,
• 1:39:36
  you want to check my phone? I'm happy to do it because
• 1:39:37
  you're just going to get double embarrassed.
• 1:39:39
  Where's my phone? You want to be triple
• 1:39:40
  embarrassed at this point? I'm just curious.
• 1:39:42
  You can literally do that. Here you go, DVD, you're the
• 1:39:45
  moderator ticket. Let's see if anyone was texted
• 1:39:47
  at all during this debate, all right, about the violent charges
• 1:39:51
  or anything. I'm looking through this you
• 1:39:53
  give me. Permission.
• 1:39:54
  You have full permission to go through my phone I don't need.
• 1:39:56
  To cheat the last one has nothing to do with it, it's just
• 1:39:59
  a compliment I. Haven't even read my text
• 1:40:01
  message. That's a compliment.
• 1:40:01
  He's reading them. You're.
• 1:40:03
  OK, you'll give me permission. I'm just going to read 3
• 1:40:04
  elements to 11:32 because after that I don't need to read it.
• 1:40:06
  Any other text could have been telegrammed you all I.
• 1:40:09
  Have a signal, You can check that too.
• 1:40:13
  Dude, Oh my God. I only have signal telegram I
• 1:40:16
  used in Russia and that was a download.
• 1:40:17
  For I'll take your word for it, yeah.
• 1:40:18
  I don't need to. Like, I deeply care about this
• 1:40:20
  case. I don't need to.
• 1:40:21
  Pretend to know if you deeply care about the case.
• 1:40:22
  I just, you know, I have. My other question is about
• 1:40:24
  steakhouse receipt. All right, good job, Andrew.
• 1:40:28
  You got fucking bodied. You just said that you were done
• 1:40:30
  asking. All your questions, yeah,
• 1:40:31
  nothing. There, Yeah.
• 1:40:32
  Do you have the steakhouse receipts?
• 1:40:33
  My question. I have said several times that I
• 1:40:36
  have, I have never said I have the receipt for the steakhouse.
• 1:40:38
  I have said the person who's working on that story is going
• 1:40:39
  to be forthcoming with the receipt.
• 1:40:41
  And that was what I was responding to.
• 1:40:42
  And he then drops the receipt. He redacted elements of it and I
• 1:40:45
  said stay tuned. He's the one working on that
• 1:40:46
  story. OK.
• 1:40:47
  So you haven't actually confirmed that Robinson was at
• 1:40:49
  that steakhouse? All I did, as I said earlier in
• 1:40:51
  this conversation, was I spoke to the owner When, when I broke
• 1:40:54
  that story, I think it was back in January, I spoke to the
• 1:40:56
  owner, understood what had happened and that there was a
• 1:40:58
  receipt. That's it.
• 1:41:00
  That's the extent of what I shared is what happened.
• 1:41:01
  Wow. OK, so to be.
• 1:41:03
  Incredible. Clear.
• 1:41:04
  There's no receipt. No, I I just did the opposite.
• 1:41:06
  I said there, there's. We don't have a copy of the
• 1:41:07
  receipt. I The receipt was published
• 1:41:10
  online. Yeah, right, with blurred.
• 1:41:11
  Out the person working on this story that blurred that out is
• 1:41:14
  what I was referring to when I said stay tuned and keep
• 1:41:16
  following his stuff. What's interesting is like it's
• 1:41:18
  very clear to me that he has no idea of anything that's going on
• 1:41:20
  in this case. And so I don't know what receipt
• 1:41:23
  they're talking about. It seems like some pretty
• 1:41:25
  obscure information, like fine, whatever.
• 1:41:27
  I'm not like super involved in the story.
• 1:41:28
  I think that most people, you know, whatever.
• 1:41:32
  But the fact that he would like not understand any fundamental
• 1:41:34
  aspect of this case, but then ask about like a very obscure
• 1:41:36
  receipt about a steakhouse communicates to me that he has
• 1:41:39
  handlers that like wanted him to do this when he didn't actually
• 1:41:42
  care to do this in the 1st place, which is just stronger
• 1:41:44
  evidence. So like, he is there on behalf
• 1:41:45
  of Eric Kirk. He is, was or is employed with
• 1:41:49
  him in some capacity as their debate coach.
• 1:41:52
  He met with her, gave her a hug. You know, I, I, I don't know.
• 1:41:58
  It seems pretty compelling that that.
• 1:42:01
  And frankly, he's asking questions in a way that sound
• 1:42:04
  like he's trying to extract the legal evidence.
• 1:42:06
  So yeah, man, I kind of feel like I don't know, He's, he's
• 1:42:12
  getting paid by somebody. That's my opinion.
• 1:42:14
  But. Because he went to go, which I
• 1:42:16
  do what I hadn't done, which was he interviewed the.
• 1:42:18
  Oh, it's a it's a receipt for steak house.
• 1:42:20
  That would prove his alibi. OK, Tyler Robinson is all like,
• 1:42:24
  OK, fair enough. But I feel like this is obscure.
• 1:42:27
  Like I feel like this is not like the commonly like a
• 1:42:30
  commonly understood aspect of this situation.
• 1:42:33
  Like this is something that's like a more a little more niche
• 1:42:34
  when you're in the conspiracy theory aspect that he doesn't
• 1:42:37
  know shit about Dick. Actual server.
• 1:42:39
  So there's no evidence that Tyler was at that steakhouse.
• 1:42:41
  I would say the receipt with his debit card number, it would be
• 1:42:43
  some hard evidence if that I agree with that.
• 1:42:45
  Yeah. So that's it, but you're
• 1:42:46
  questioning. Me but is there as of right now
• 1:42:48
  he. Paid.
• 1:42:48
  If you're asking me did he pay with a credit or debit card, the
• 1:42:50
  answer is yes, no. No.
• 1:42:51
  Is there proof that that was actually his debit card that he
• 1:42:53
  paid with? I think you should follow the
• 1:42:55
  person that is behind that story.
• 1:42:57
  Well, the reason I'm asking you is because you always include it
• 1:42:59
  in your timeline that he travelled to the stake house.
• 1:43:01
  Yeah. We've been building a timeline
• 1:43:02
  with things that we feel are. But is there any actual?
• 1:43:04
  Call 11. O2 approved.
• 1:43:05
  I think speaking to the owner, knowing that there's a receipt,
• 1:43:07
  seeing the receipt is good enough to put on on our
• 1:43:09
  timeline. But the receipt itself, the
• 1:43:11
  question I always had about it is, couldn't you just call the
• 1:43:13
  merchant? Like if I've ever had a merchant
• 1:43:14
  account, I just call the merchant account processor and
• 1:43:16
  say what's the name on this? Yeah, I would.
• 1:43:18
  I would stay tuned. I I feel that the, you haven't
• 1:43:20
  spoken to the owner, that the evidence is compelling enough to
• 1:43:23
  put onto my personal timeline of what took place on that day.
• 1:43:26
  That's where it's going to stay. And if it gets debunked, I'm
• 1:43:28
  happy to take it off if that's what you mean.
• 1:43:30
  That's how an investigation works.
• 1:43:32
  Like I said, I did more than enough.
• 1:43:34
  It would definitely pass the test by the Utah 11 O2 rule for
• 1:43:39
  sure. For sure.
• 1:43:39
  Yeah. Beyond that, because they didn't
• 1:43:42
  even have receipts. They were like Bob told me that.
• 1:43:44
  But the question, but the question is, yeah, I just want
• 1:43:48
  to. Say you're holding me to a
• 1:43:50
  higher standard than you are. I'm not even.
• 1:43:51
  Holding it, I'm just asking. Specifically, yeah, I, I, I've
• 1:43:53
  been very forthcoming. I told you exactly what
• 1:43:55
  happened. I spoke to the owner, I got the
• 1:43:56
  tip and I so. Should that be added down in an
• 1:43:58
  official timeline? It's.
• 1:43:59
  In my timeline, it's my show and we can add and subtract what we
• 1:44:01
  want and what we do if. We can do what you wrong.
• 1:44:03
  But I just want. To make sure, should you include
• 1:44:05
  a thing that you know? I just, it's, it's very obvious
• 1:44:07
  what's happening at this point is that Andrew like feels
• 1:44:09
  incredibly weak on everything in the year.
• 1:44:11
  So he's trying to like super pin her down on like his last
• 1:44:13
  opportunity question because he's he's feels really fucking
• 1:44:17
  weak on it and he doesn't know what else to say or do.
• 1:44:20
  Hasn't actually BeenVerified to be Tyler Robinson.
• 1:44:22
  You should. If we're trying to build a
• 1:44:22
  timeline, you should, yeah. You don't think that that falls
• 1:44:25
  and then? You should remove it if you if
• 1:44:26
  someone somehow debunks it, but I think that the there is very
• 1:44:29
  strong evidence that that is where he was and that what's.
• 1:44:31
  The strong evidence, just the two people who said that they
• 1:44:33
  saw him. You know, I'm, I'm actually all
• 1:44:34
  good with be I I feel like I've sufficiently answered your
• 1:44:36
  question about how I got the information.
• 1:44:38
  What happened next? Look at that, he's walking
• 1:44:39
  about. He's such a coward too.
• 1:44:41
  Damn. With the next stage of this
• 1:44:43
  investigation being somebody accessing his, knowing what his
• 1:44:47
  debit card was and confirming it.
• 1:44:48
  Yes. And I do believe that that will
• 1:44:48
  happen. If it doesn't happen, it gets
• 1:44:50
  debunked. I'll remove it from my personal
• 1:44:51
  timeline that I share on my show, yeah.
• 1:44:52
  Officer, the first officer that was up on the roof, Do you
• 1:44:55
  remember his name? Officer Bagley, Yeah.
• 1:44:56
  What was his first name? Christopher.
• 1:44:58
  Christopher. What does this matter?
• 1:45:01
  When Chris, do you remember his name?
• 1:45:03
  Officer Bagley. Yeah.
• 1:45:04
  What was his first name? Chris.
• 1:45:06
  He's got that here, over there. You think he's got a He's got a
• 1:45:08
  mic in there, Christopher. Christopher When Christopher got
• 1:45:11
  up on the roof, you talk a lot about how his camera died.
• 1:45:14
  Well, he talked a lot about that.
• 1:45:15
  During that camera guide, do you think that he planted that
• 1:45:18
  screwdriver up there? No, no.
• 1:45:20
  Who do you think planted it? I, if we're just going on my, in
• 1:45:23
  my lifetime opinion, of course, at this stage, I would say that
• 1:45:26
  I, I don't buy his assertion on the stand that he didn't check
• 1:45:29
  to see if anybody went on to the rooftop before he got up there.
• 1:45:34
  I, I do think that it's possible, it's at least
• 1:45:36
  plausible that the, the screwdriver was planted.
• 1:45:38
  I don't believe him. What I can say strongly is that
• 1:45:41
  his Cam died at just the right time.
• 1:45:44
  His body Cam died at just the right time.
• 1:45:46
  I think that as you were just grilling me about whether or not
• 1:45:49
  I'd got the merchant receipt for a debit card, that kind of makes
• 1:45:52
  difficult that we just have to sort of trust that a screwdriver
• 1:45:54
  was found and we don't have any should be evidence of a police
• 1:45:58
  body Cam. But like I said, you accept that
• 1:46:00
  stuff and then are like, did you call the merchant and get like
• 1:46:02
  it's just. I don't know what this seemed
• 1:46:03
  kind of interesting that he didn't have access to his his
• 1:46:06
  body Cam just conveniently went out.
• 1:46:08
  I don't know. I don't know dude, seems like
• 1:46:11
  you, no. I'm not adding hold like I said.
• 1:46:13
  You hold the prosecution to a the state to a higher standard.
• 1:46:16
  Than you adding people confirmed evidence to an official timeline
• 1:46:18
  that I'm putting out either. What do you mean official
• 1:46:19
  timeline? This is my timeline.
• 1:46:20
  I made it at home. So then it would be official to
• 1:46:22
  your. Show.
• 1:46:24
  Sure. Yeah.
• 1:46:24
  OK, great. Oh dude, I see he's trying to
• 1:46:26
  pin her down for her to say it's an official timeline because
• 1:46:30
  they're trying to legally sounds like they're trying to get her
• 1:46:33
  be like, oh, this is definitive. This is a fact.
• 1:46:37
  They're trying to. I think that's why he's asking
• 1:46:40
  like that. So then the your your official
• 1:46:42
  timeline, Candace Owens official timeline includes a steakhouse
• 1:46:44
  stop that has not actually been confirmed at all.
• 1:46:47
  Well, yeah, it hasn't even been discussed by the prosecution.
• 1:46:49
  So it's it's not like you're debunking that it happened.
• 1:46:52
  Well, there's no, there's no evidence for it.
• 1:46:54
  There's no good evidence for it at all.
• 1:46:55
  There's no camera there. And the steakhouse receipt
• 1:46:57
  itself has never been confirmed to be Tyler Robinson.
• 1:46:59
  'S. I'm assuming this is just like a
• 1:47:00
  talking point they gave you and you got to like keep pushing
• 1:47:02
  this or like. I've been following it very
• 1:47:04
  closely on X the. Receipt.
• 1:47:05
  You didn't. You weren't.
• 1:47:05
  Calling it very closely on X right after you said the on X
• 1:47:08
  thing. You know you'd lose like all
• 1:47:09
  credibility, right? Even following the charges of
• 1:47:10
  Tyler Robinson. But you really wanted to know.
• 1:47:12
  I've been following it. Very closely, because wait.
• 1:47:14
  I'm calling owners and you know this isn't having a conversation
• 1:47:16
  you're following. Yeah.
• 1:47:17
  I literally followed the entire trial or the preliminary live.
• 1:47:20
  I was live with an attorney. We covered all of it.
• 1:47:22
  You think because I have a momentary where it laps, where
• 1:47:25
  I'm like, oh, it's murder. No, it's aggravated murder.
• 1:47:27
  Come on, you. Didn't know any of the charges.
• 1:47:28
  You didn't know that's not splitting, I mean.
• 1:47:30
  It's not really splitting hairs if you didn't know any of the
• 1:47:31
  charges. You didn't follow the
• 1:47:32
  preliminary hearing at all? No, it doesn't.
• 1:47:34
  Like you know any of the. Charges that are against him
• 1:47:36
  when this is like the this is like getting literally to the
• 1:47:38
  cross. Aggravated murder versus murder.
• 1:47:40
  It's funny, 'cause what he could say to it is you say, well, you
• 1:47:42
  know what, I don't necessarily think that the preliminary
• 1:47:45
  hearing matters as much. I don't actually.
• 1:47:49
  I mean, I don't know what you would say that.
• 1:47:50
  I feel like you would kind of want to follow it very closely
• 1:47:52
  if you really cared about it. I think he's he's pretending
• 1:47:55
  that he cares about this. And not.
• 1:47:57
  Only that. Let's point this out.
• 1:48:00
  One of the major things here is that this is your official
• 1:48:02
  timeline. He keeps saying he keeps saying
• 1:48:05
  official. He's really he's trying to
• 1:48:07
  hammer in this word. I I guarantee you it sounds like
• 1:48:10
  he's trying to hammer this word official into this so that he
• 1:48:14
  can for for a court evidence. This is your official timeline.
• 1:48:19
  Like the emphasis on is on the official because if they can
• 1:48:23
  make it seem like she thinks that this is official and now it
• 1:48:25
  goes from her thinking this to her asserting that this is
• 1:48:28
  absolutely a fact instead of raising questions, which gives
• 1:48:31
  more of a legal basis, that's what it sounds like.
• 1:48:34
  Who else is could it be? Who else there would be Candace.
• 1:48:37
  What? What's your issue with that?
• 1:48:40
  Well, so the issue is is that he's.
• 1:48:42
  Trying to push her down onto something.
• 1:48:43
  For legal it's This is for aggregate probably.
• 1:48:46
  The entirety of the evidence revolves around two people who
• 1:48:48
  claimed that he was there and supposedly a receipt.
• 1:48:51
  There's supposedly a receipt where Tyler Robinson paid for
• 1:48:54
  his steak and his soft drink. No alcohol, right?
• 1:48:57
  No alcohol, right? No.
• 1:48:58
  Nothing about the case. OK, what does this have to do
• 1:49:03
  with anything? But are.
• 1:49:04
  We just trying to prove that he knows so much about it.
• 1:49:06
  Anyway, this particular receipt, they could have called the
• 1:49:09
  merchant account, confirmed it, this type of thing.
• 1:49:12
  To date, this receipt has only the blurred information on it.
• 1:49:15
  That would actually give you the information to confirm whose
• 1:49:17
  receipt it is we have today. Nobody has confirmed that this
• 1:49:21
  was actually Tyler Robinson's receipt.
• 1:49:23
  And yet inside of Candace Owens timeline, which he states over
• 1:49:25
  and over again when she says this is of the longest 13 hours,
• 1:49:29
  this is 13 1/2 hours. The requirement for about what?
• 1:49:33
  Roughly, I think somebody's feeding information into his
• 1:49:35
  ear. I'm going to go full conspiracy
• 1:49:37
  brain because he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking
• 1:49:39
  about. He's so unconfident right now.
• 1:49:41
  He's just saying things that people tell him to say. 5 1/2 or
• 1:49:44
  6 hours of that is that he went to the steakhouse and so, and
• 1:49:48
  that's not been confirmed at all, not even a little.
• 1:49:50
  Bit I feel like saying that I spoke to the owner of the
• 1:49:52
  steakhouse is me like not just being on X, looking at opinions,
• 1:49:55
  but actually doing the legwork. And that's why I, like I said,
• 1:49:59
  if you think this builds up a rapport with your audience and
• 1:50:00
  makes you seem like a serious person, we don't have to keep
• 1:50:03
  belaboring the point here. I feel like I've demonstrated
• 1:50:05
  that I did as much as I could to confirm this when it came in.
• 1:50:07
  I spoke to the owner of the restaurant, you know, obviously
• 1:50:10
  took down everything he said. I noted that there was in fact a
• 1:50:12
  receipt that he pulled. That receipt that was published
• 1:50:15
  is real. A debit card and a credit card
• 1:50:17
  was used. If for some reason somebody
• 1:50:20
  misidentified something down the line or we find out it's a
• 1:50:22
  different Tyler Robinson, I'm happy to remove from my
• 1:50:25
  timeline. But for right now, I I think
• 1:50:26
  that there's enough under the Utah 11 O2 rule for me to keep
• 1:50:29
  it there. TPS isn't something their best.
• 1:50:31
  Well this is their best. This is TPUSAS best.
• 1:50:37
  That's all it is. I mean, right now, like a lot of
• 1:50:39
  these Mongol grifters are getting completely like fucking
• 1:50:41
  absolutely ash trashed. Like you saw like Nick Shirley
• 1:50:43
  as a as a picture next to some guy where that's like an Epstein
• 1:50:47
  island guy. He was on Epstein island,
• 1:50:48
  probably the rape kids or whatever.
• 1:50:49
  I mean, whatever he did, you know, if you're in Epstein
• 1:50:51
  Island, you're probably well, unless you're there for the
• 1:50:53
  snorkeling of force. But so like Nick Shirley's being
• 1:50:56
  posted with that guy. I forget what he is.
• 1:50:57
  He's some bald fucking piece of shit.
• 1:51:00
  Maybe it's me. You know, like all these guys
• 1:51:02
  are being confirmed or being like shown that they're like
• 1:51:04
  basically OPS like they're feds. You know what I mean?
• 1:51:08
  Dude, they're fucking it's it's all something.
• 1:51:09
  It's all something I don't. Know, I don't really think we
• 1:51:12
  need to keep going into circles about this receipt.
• 1:51:14
  It's it's my timeline. I don't I don't know why the
• 1:51:15
  eleven O 2 rule would apply here for a year.
• 1:51:17
  Because you were constantly psyched.
• 1:51:19
  She's trying to say that like he's holding her to the higher
• 1:51:22
  standard than the the courts hold, then he holds the courts
• 1:51:25
  too. That's the point that she's
• 1:51:26
  making. Things that are said in that
• 1:51:27
  courtroom that have less. The receipt is real.
• 1:51:29
  Evidentiary support than me contacting and speaking with the
• 1:51:33
  the owner of the restaurant. It's not like I dreamed it as
• 1:51:35
  just user expression, so it's in my time and I'm going to keep it
• 1:51:38
  there. Sure, you can keep whatever you
• 1:51:39
  want there. I'm just saying that there's no
• 1:51:41
  evidence he was ever there. OK.
• 1:51:42
  Thank you. No hard evidence anyway.
• 1:51:43
  Yeah, we're I'm trying to close. There's no evidence he's there.
• 1:51:47
  Well, no hard evidence. OK, well good job trash in that
• 1:51:49
  point too, but. OK, so the last thing we're
• 1:51:51
  going to do before we go into ad break right after this will be
• 1:51:53
  final thoughts. I'll be asking both of you if
• 1:51:55
  anything, if if anything on your opinion, thoughts changed on the
• 1:51:59
  case and then we'll finish it up from there.
• 1:52:01
  So that being said, a 3 1/2 minute break and it will come
• 1:52:03
  back for final thoughts alright. You guys if someone followed you
• 1:52:05
  ever? Smoked that cigarette will.
• 1:52:07
  Where that you went, recorded what you searched and studied
• 1:52:08
  your habits, you call the police when your smartphone does it.
• 1:52:11
  We call it convenience at 0 Ghosts.
• 1:52:13
  They believe that you shouldn't have to trade your privacy for
• 1:52:15
  convenience. That's why they created the
• 1:52:16
  Ghost Phone, a smartphone built to give you more control over
• 1:52:18
  your personal information without giving up the things
• 1:52:20
  that you actually need a smartphone to do.
• 1:52:21
  The Ghost Phone has been professionally hardened to
• 1:52:23
  minimize unnecessary tracking and make your phone
• 1:52:25
  substantially more difficult to hack or compromise.
• 1:52:27
  Considering what some of you have been searching lately, such
• 1:52:30
  as what does it mean to be yankin and banking, maybe your
• 1:52:33
  smartphone doesn't need to know quite so much about you.
• 1:52:35
  The best part is that you don't have to become a cybersecurity
• 1:52:37
  expert to use it. You can keep your phone number
• 1:52:39
  and keep your carrier. You can use your normal apps,
• 1:52:41
  call, text, take pictures. You get a normal smartphone
• 1:52:43
  experience, but with the privacy and security at the center of it
• 1:52:45
  all. The difference is the phone is
• 1:52:47
  built around your privacy rather than building a business around
• 1:52:49
  your data. So yank and bank your way over
• 1:52:51
  to zeroghost.com/candace and use code Candace at checkout for $50
• 1:52:54
  off your ghostphonethats0ghost.com/candace.
• 1:52:57
  Installment plans are available at checkout.
• 1:52:58
  I also want to remind you guys about American financing because
• 1:53:01
  it is no secret that everything is starting to feel a lot more
• 1:53:03
  expensive. If your daily essentials are
• 1:53:05
  ending up on a credit card, those double digit interest
• 1:53:06
  rates are quietly joining your bank account.
• 1:53:08
  If a debt is starting to feel heavy, you should know that
• 1:53:10
  you're not alone. If you're a homeowner, you've
• 1:53:11
  likely looked at your mortgage rate and thought, I shouldn't
• 1:53:13
  touch that. But American Financing offers a
• 1:53:14
  smart equity loan so that you don't have to.
• 1:53:16
  It allows you to wipe out high interest debt and lower your
• 1:53:18
  monthly overhead while keeping your primary mortgage intact.
• 1:53:20
  It's a surgical strike against debt.
• 1:53:22
  I'm like a fluctuating HELOC. The Smart Equity loan is a fixed
• 1:53:24
  rate loan giving you a predictable monthly payment.
• 1:53:28
  At American Financing, there are never any upfront fees to find
• 1:53:30
  out what you qualify for, so talk to a salary based
• 1:53:32
  consultant today. These experts who are paid to
• 1:53:34
  help you save, not to sell you more than you need, can help you
• 1:53:37
  if you call 800-795-1210. Again, that's 800-795-1210 or
• 1:53:42
  visit americanfinancing.net/owens.
• 1:53:44
  Again, that's americanfinancing.net/owens.
• 1:53:47
  Let's tell you guys about Mimi Skin Care.
• 1:53:48
  You know I love them. They make the best tallow skin
• 1:53:50
  care products I've ever used. She just fucking rattles these
• 1:53:52
  off dude. Holy fuck.
• 1:53:53
  How much does she make all these?
• 1:53:54
  Jesus Christ. Their tallow comes from grass
• 1:53:56
  fed, grass finished cattle raised on a Montana farm.
• 1:53:59
  In a world where so many companies hide where their
• 1:54:00
  ingredients are coming from, that really matters.
• 1:54:02
  Everyone seems to be talking about tallow these days, but not
• 1:54:04
  all tallow is created equally. Mimi has focused on sourcing
• 1:54:06
  exceptional ingredients and creating products that people
• 1:54:08
  genuinely love to use. That's why I've been using
• 1:54:10
  Nimi's Sunshine tallow cream and their Buzz and Tallow Bomb.
• 1:54:13
  The Sunshine Tallow Cream has become one of Nimi's most
• 1:54:14
  popular products. It's rich, nourishing and made
• 1:54:16
  with tallow, alovera, avocado oil and Shea butter to deeply
• 1:54:18
  moisturize the skin while it's feeling lightweight and
• 1:54:21
  comfortable. It leaves your skin looking
• 1:54:22
  soft, hydrated and healthy. Without that greasy feeling on
• 1:54:25
  my skin, it needs a little extra support.
• 1:54:26
  I reach for the Buzz and Tallow Bomb.
• 1:54:27
  It's a richer formula that helps lock in moisture and leave skin
• 1:54:29
  feeling deeply nourished and cared for.
• 1:54:31
  What I appreciate most is that these products are rooted in
• 1:54:32
  simplicity, high quality ingedients, American sourcing,
• 1:54:35
  American manufacturing, and skin care that simply works.
• 1:54:38
  So if you've been curious about tallow skin care, now is the
• 1:54:39
  perfect time to try it. Visit nimiskincare.com to save
• 1:54:41
  an additional 10% off your order with promo code Candace 10 at
• 1:54:44
  checkout. Again, that's NIMI skincare.com
• 1:54:46
  promo code Candace 10 at checkout.
• 1:54:49
  All right, we are all right. Finally at the end for those of
• 1:54:51
  you that are watching. Thank you, August.
• 1:54:52
  I'm going to take a look at that in a SEC.
• 1:54:54
  And it's maybe a good commentary for you would be the following
• 1:54:56
  on if you're a Andrew fan and you still are still saying, you
• 1:55:01
  know what, Andrew's arguments were solid, great, Candace,
• 1:55:04
  great. But did anything change your
• 1:55:06
  mind? Did you watch this?
• 1:55:07
  You know what, I had this position over here.
• 1:55:08
  This would be an interesting commentary to hear.
• 1:55:10
  And of course, for all the people that are watching, I was
• 1:55:11
  just whispering to them here before we wrap it up.
• 1:55:14
  I think whether you're a fan of Andrew or not, whether you're a
• 1:55:16
  fan of Candace or not, nobody can dispute the fact that these
• 1:55:19
  guys agree to sit down and talk live.
• 1:55:22
  Others were thinking this was prerecorded.
• 1:55:24
  This is not prerecorded, just everybody knows.
• 1:55:26
  Well, but that's not really true, right?
• 1:55:28
  I mean, they did agree to talk, but apparently Candace can't ask
• 1:55:31
  questions. So seems kind of deeply
• 1:55:38
  inauthentic from that in that in that regards, but OK.
• 1:55:42
  This is purely live. This is a little bit scarier
• 1:55:44
  than prerecorded because prerecording can do edit.
• 1:55:46
  So whether you agree with them or not, let's make sure we
• 1:55:49
  respect both of them. I don't think so.
• 1:55:51
  It's not OK. For having to sit down and
• 1:55:52
  before the final thoughts, I want to make sure you guys hear
• 1:55:54
  that. From Not a big fan of respecting
• 1:55:56
  the rape guy for. Me as well for inviting,
• 1:55:59
  inviting me as well. Of course.
• 1:56:00
  I do know one day, I think it was last week, you sent a
• 1:56:02
  message on one of our accounts to say, can I talk to Patrick?
• 1:56:05
  We got on the call. He said, Patrick, can you
• 1:56:06
  moderate this? And I said, great, let's do
• 1:56:08
  this. And so before we wrap up final
• 1:56:10
  thoughts, I'll come to you first.
• 1:56:12
  Yeah, she had nothing, just nothing.
• 1:56:14
  Any of her, all of her claims of Patsy, nothing.
• 1:56:17
  She didn't have a single claim. She didn't have a single solid
• 1:56:19
  piece of evidence. She had no positive evidence.
• 1:56:20
  Israel's involved in anything. She's using this.
• 1:56:23
  No positive evidence. You like that?
• 1:56:25
  No positive evidence that France is involved in anything.
• 1:56:30
  No positive evidence TPUSA is involved in anything.
• 1:56:32
  No positive evidence that Erica Kirk is involved in anything.
• 1:56:35
  It's really funny because like she she acknowledged his shitty
• 1:56:39
  debate strategy and instead of acknowledging her strategy of
• 1:56:42
  like, Hey, you just like going to ask these questions and but
• 1:56:44
  you really don't have any answers and it really feels
• 1:56:46
  inconclusive. He's just like, well, actually
• 1:56:48
  my remember, you know, it's just kind of maybe he did that before
• 1:56:52
  in the first part and I forgot it, but this is fucking dumb as
• 1:56:54
  hell. When I asked her about her
• 1:56:55
  claims about Erica Kirk, yeah, it's just fun.
• 1:56:57
  And it's just fun. And you know, or yeah, I do
• 1:57:00
  think that she need to sit down, ask some questions, but or
• 1:57:02
  answer some questions. But you know what?
• 1:57:05
  I don't even know if she has. You he prepared this.
• 1:57:08
  This is ridiculous. Like maybe she has.
• 1:57:09
  I have no idea. Yes, I'm going to have an
• 1:57:11
  official timeline with unconfirmed evidence.
• 1:57:13
  That's just. It's not an official timeline
• 1:57:14
  though. See what I'm saying?
• 1:57:15
  He was trying to pin her down on the official timeline thing.
• 1:57:17
  It's not an official timeline. It's like her timeline.
• 1:57:19
  That's what she said. Again, it's all it's very
• 1:57:22
  obvious that this is like an attempt, like some kind of like
• 1:57:25
  weak attempt for like a lawsuit. Fine, hey, it's it's hearsay.
• 1:57:28
  That's good enough for the state.
• 1:57:29
  It's good enough for me. But my biggest problem with the
• 1:57:31
  state is that they're admitting all this hearsay.
• 1:57:33
  It's like she's a contradiction machine.
• 1:57:35
  On top of all of this, the thing that I wanted to get out of this
• 1:57:38
  more than anything else was to just demonstrate one thing.
• 1:57:41
  Yes, it's true, I'm not perfect on the case.
• 1:57:43
  I'm not going to ever pretend that I am and never did.
• 1:57:46
  But what has been very made very clear to me is that there's
• 1:57:49
  nobody with an alternative theory that has any evidence for
• 1:57:52
  it at all. None, zero.
• 1:57:54
  And the continuous kind of expression, we're running an
• 1:57:58
  investigation. What kind of investigation
• 1:58:00
  builds a timeline out on on a receipt that they don't even
• 1:58:03
  confirm? What kind of investigation tries
• 1:58:06
  to make these bold claims that Israel's involved and France is
• 1:58:10
  involved and all these different players are involved and never
• 1:58:12
  shows any evidence. We're just asking questions.
• 1:58:14
  It's my it's again, like I said, my open.
• 1:58:15
  So this is another big problem. I guess he doesn't know what the
• 1:58:17
  word evidence and proof means. You would say that you haven't
• 1:58:20
  shown any proof. I've shown evidence.
• 1:58:22
  She has tremendous amounts of evidence.
• 1:58:24
  It doesn't mean that that evidence is proof.
• 1:58:25
  It doesn't prove anything. It's just evidence, right.
• 1:58:29
  Like if I have a little stain on my the front of my pants right
• 1:58:31
  where my penis is, you might say that's evidence that I pissed
• 1:58:34
  myself. But it might just be that I was
• 1:58:36
  eating, you know, a Turkey wake up wrap from Dunkin' Donuts and
• 1:58:43
  it's stained in my pants and it wasn't actually pee.
• 1:58:46
  It could be, right? This is evidence versus proof.
• 1:58:49
  These are two different things. Happening.
• 1:58:51
  It's always intuition, my feelings.
• 1:58:53
  But he doesn't understand that he's even he's he's dumb as
• 1:58:55
  shit. Say that you don't have any
• 1:58:57
  proof, not that you don't have any evidence.
• 1:58:59
  How I feel about things. How I think about things.
• 1:59:02
  Yeah. Andrew, how many times you hear
• 1:59:03
  this today? Andrew, you can't tell me how
• 1:59:05
  I'm supposed to think. Yeah, nobody's trying to tell
• 1:59:07
  you how to think. But you should rationally come
• 1:59:09
  to your conclusions based on evidence, in fact.
• 1:59:12
  And the truth is that 90% of what you're saying is simply
• 1:59:14
  intuition based. It's, it did, it came to me in a
• 1:59:17
  dream. It's intuition.
• 1:59:18
  Almost none of it has any evidence at all.
• 1:59:20
  Just I'm skeptical because these people over here said things and
• 1:59:23
  that makes me skeptical. It's like, but no evidence.
• 1:59:25
  Note this to the audience, to everybody watching.
• 1:59:28
  You might hate my guts. That's fair enough.
• 1:59:30
  I get that I'm not the most likable man.
• 1:59:32
  I understand that too. What?
• 1:59:33
  But there was nothing, I mean no evidence at all that Tyler
• 1:59:37
  Robinson was a Patsy that was ever put forward by Candace this
• 1:59:41
  entire debate. Now maybe.
• 1:59:43
  Can I, This is a real question. I'm going to, I'm going to keep
• 1:59:45
  an absolute side with you. Why does he care so much?
• 1:59:49
  Like what is the reason that he cares so much about whether or
• 1:59:52
  not, like, what's Candace is saying?
• 1:59:54
  Like, unless he like, really cared about like he didn't like
• 1:59:58
  Charlie Kirk. He doesn't like Erica Kirk or
• 2:00:03
  like, although I mean, he gets paid by her or at least did.
• 2:00:05
  Maybe that's it. Like does he feel like this is
• 2:00:09
  destroying the conservative movement or something?
• 2:00:11
  Like what does he fucking care? What the fuck does he even care?
• 2:00:15
  Why does he care enough to like push her on this?
• 2:00:17
  Like this is I can't believe you're doing this.
• 2:00:19
  I got to push you on. Like why does he care enough for
• 2:00:20
  that? Doesn't make any sense.
• 2:00:22
  Maybe you could say that we stalemated when it came to
• 2:00:24
  whether or not Robinson did it, she says.
• 2:00:26
  I found the evidence convincing and unconvincing, Andrew says he
• 2:00:29
  found the evidence convincing. OK, fair enough.
• 2:00:31
  Maybe you can't do too much about that.
• 2:00:33
  But. This whole outro is just like
• 2:00:34
  hey guys my optics are bad, please don't think I'm that bad
• 2:00:38
  there's. Nothing.
• 2:00:38
  She had nothing for Robinson being a IT.
• 2:00:40
  Would have been better if he came out and said like, listen,
• 2:00:42
  honestly, I think I think that Candace is wrong and she hasn't
• 2:00:46
  really, you know, confirmed anything.
• 2:00:49
  But honestly, but I can't, I'm not what he would have been
• 2:00:52
  better doing for Erica Kirk's sake, because he's probably
• 2:00:54
  doing this for her, is saying, listen, I am still unconvinced
• 2:00:57
  by her evidence. But obviously, like she pointed
• 2:01:01
  out, I'm not, I, I didn't prepare enough for this and I'm
• 2:01:04
  not that invested into this situation in the way that I, I
• 2:01:07
  came in for. And so like, you know, I just
• 2:01:10
  look really bad. You know, me being wrong doesn't
• 2:01:12
  mean that she's right. I mean, looking wrong or maybe
• 2:01:15
  unprepared and looking stupid doesn't mean that she's right.
• 2:01:16
  That would have been the best for the optics play here for
• 2:01:19
  Erica Kirk. You know, that would have been
• 2:01:21
  the best thing. But he can't conceive anything
• 2:01:23
  so. Apache nothing for any of her
• 2:01:25
  conspiracies. Not a 0.
• 2:01:27
  Zilch. And she backed away on a bunch
• 2:01:28
  of them. This is the first time I think
• 2:01:30
  she's ever really backed away from the twigs thing.
• 2:01:32
  First time I've ever heard her back away from the Erica thing.
• 2:01:34
  Back away from TPUSA. Being very cautious about making
• 2:01:37
  any of those claims now. Whereas on her show, much more
• 2:01:40
  likely to be making those claims.
• 2:01:41
  So she just had nothing the entire well.
• 2:01:42
  Didn't seem she like she made those claims on her show, but
• 2:01:44
  again, you're obviously like it seems like your lawsuit prodding
• 2:01:47
  so. Debate 0.
• 2:01:49
  Candace. Well, I think that is quite a
• 2:01:53
  conclusion, admitting somewhere maybe we stalemate it.
• 2:01:55
  It probably signifies what I've been saying from the beginning
• 2:01:57
  that you didn't feel that you were strong on the actual facts
• 2:02:00
  and the evidence, which I was willing to engage with you.
• 2:02:02
  I wanted to go over the screwdriver.
• 2:02:03
  I wanted to go over the top and the things that you've mentioned
• 2:02:05
  and you wanted to then move the conversation into a defense of
• 2:02:08
  Erica Kirk and her character and what I've said about Erica,
• 2:02:11
  which is my opinion and I have not edited that opinion.
• 2:02:14
  After discussing with you, I would like to extend a
• 2:02:17
  compliment to you for being willing to sit down and to have
• 2:02:20
  the conversation. I still walk away feeling that
• 2:02:24
  the people who are jumping on the bandwagon about this case
• 2:02:27
  don't care about this case. They don't care about Erica
• 2:02:29
  Kirk. It tends to be follow that they
• 2:02:31
  take a meeting with Turning Point USA and they come out and
• 2:02:33
  suddenly have a lot of junk to say about Candace Owens.
• 2:02:36
  And I do want to also stress that that.
• 2:02:39
  Would make sense for them to use to use her or use like other
• 2:02:43
  people as a way to like try to weaken her movement.
• 2:02:45
  But now she looks really strong. Point USA tried to pepper him
• 2:02:47
  with something as a surprise. He showed clips that were meant
• 2:02:50
  to be a surprise. I did no such thing.
• 2:02:51
  I stressed to PBD from the beginning that I was grateful he
• 2:02:54
  was taking this on and that I wanted this to be a clean debate
• 2:02:56
  because I believe I can win this on the merits.
• 2:02:58
  And I believe that I did win this fully on the merits by
• 2:03:01
  engaging the evidence of what has happened.
• 2:03:03
  I do still believe that there is more evidence which supports
• 2:03:06
  that there are more people involved and that Tyler Robinson
• 2:03:09
  has been set up and that none of the evidence that was presented
• 2:03:13
  was in any way overwhelming. Which is why I think you wanted
• 2:03:15
  to move to end that discussion quickly and to speak to me about
• 2:03:17
  France and to talk about this Penguin receipt and my timeline.
• 2:03:21
  I I want to remind people that a lot of the at home
• 2:03:25
  investigators, which you were open to as you called them,
• 2:03:27
  Internet sleuths, I think it was on a show that you did right
• 2:03:30
  after Charlie was assassinated, that Internet sleuths would
• 2:03:32
  solve this. This is the reason why.
• 2:03:34
  Oh, yeah, He said something like that.
• 2:03:36
  He kind of urged, he actually, I think, I don't know if I have
• 2:03:38
  the clip, but he urged like, quote UN quote, Internet sleuths
• 2:03:40
  to to do this. This is like kind of a clip of
• 2:03:42
  that. Did you watch the FBI brief?
• 2:03:43
  The one. That was like an hour ago or
• 2:03:44
  something. For me, that was really.
• 2:03:45
  It was so bad. Yeah, they have nothing.
• 2:03:46
  It's disgusting. And like, I feel terrible for
• 2:03:48
  the curse. They just want, they at least
• 2:03:49
  just want the basic justice apprehending the suspect.
• 2:03:50
  And this is. Terrible do you do you think?
• 2:03:52
  There's a chance that they don't catch the guy.
• 2:03:54
  That's why I think that they're they're the people who have
• 2:03:56
  murdered cats online and Internet sluice will figure this
• 2:03:57
  shit out. If the FBI in law enforcement
• 2:03:59
  doesn't solve this, you get people on the Internet will
• 2:04:00
  solve this and you'll put clues together which will assist them
• 2:04:02
  in figuring out who this person is.
• 2:04:04
  In fact, I'm I'm only making predictions like the FBI only
• 2:04:06
  solves this with the help other like you guys.
• 2:04:07
  They're not going to give justice the curse, you guys.
• 2:04:09
  Have to give justice the curse because this I just think it's
• 2:04:11
  kind of funny because he is he is basically saying like hey a
• 2:04:13
  bunch of Internet sluice should look this into this and now he's
• 2:04:15
  upset in the way that they did I just think it's kind of funny
• 2:04:18
  but. Charlie a year on is still a
• 2:04:20
  conversation every single day trending on Twitter.
• 2:04:22
  I knew Charlie, I cared about Charlie, I care about finding
• 2:04:25
  out what the truth is here. My heart is in the right place.
• 2:04:27
  I think anybody who watches my show or even just watch this
• 2:04:29
  debate knows that if I get something wrong, I'll instantly
• 2:04:31
  correct it and own it. I don't.
• 2:04:32
  I'm not arrogant. I don't need to sit here and
• 2:04:34
  pretend that I didn't misspeak on the Lance thing.
• 2:04:35
  It hasn't been ruled out. But you saw that he just really
• 2:04:38
  wanted to hammer that point. You know, part of being a well
• 2:04:41
  meaning person is to concede when you are wrong, to take
• 2:04:43
  something off a timeline when you know it's not right.
• 2:04:45
  And I would like to think that that is why I have earned the
• 2:04:48
  audience that continues to follow me because they know my
• 2:04:49
  heart's in the right place, that I deeply care about Charlie and
• 2:04:52
  I deeply care about the answers. I want to thank Andrew's team
• 2:04:54
  who are providing the fact checks.
• 2:04:55
  It's a very small room that they're in.
• 2:04:57
  I want to, as always, thank my team who worked really hard to
• 2:04:59
  make this happen and flip this at and for to you, PBD, just for
• 2:05:02
  being a great moderator. I think very fair letting us
• 2:05:05
  both speak and making sure that Andrew got out of this what he
• 2:05:08
  wanted a more than what I wanted.
• 2:05:10
  But I'm very content with how I dealt with this and I let I try
• 2:05:13
  to convince the audience of the magic trick of what they need to
• 2:05:15
  think about this debate. They can watch it and draw their
• 2:05:17
  own conclusions. Beautiful fair from both of you.
• 2:05:19
  I think the audience won. And again, from the beginning,
• 2:05:22
  all of this is because of how much love and respect we have
• 2:05:24
  for Charlie Kirk, a great man that's no longer here with us.
• 2:05:26
  Is one of your anniversaries coming up here?
• 2:05:28
  I can't believe it's that quick that is here.
• 2:05:30
  The audience. I think you also want, if you
• 2:05:31
  did support the Crucible, support the Candace show,
• 2:05:34
  support the PBD podcast, subscribe to channel.
• 2:05:37
  This is how you help these voices get out even more.
• 2:05:40
  Guys, Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
• 2:05:41
  Please subscribe to my YouTube channel and a my Spotify and my
• 2:05:46
  Apple if you're interested. She going into future when this
• 2:05:48
  happens, you want a lot of independent creators to have
• 2:05:50
  these types of discussions. And last but not least, the two
• 2:05:52
  of you, I respect you guys again for having this conversation.
• 2:05:55
  It is not easy to do. So hopefully this will lead to
• 2:05:57
  more discussions. A lot of different things we
• 2:05:59
  talked about. I'm sure there will be a lot of
• 2:06:00
  follow up. With that being said, take
• 2:06:01
  everybody. God bless, have a great weekend.
• 2:06:03
  All right, bye. Well, God has been blessed.
• 2:06:07
  It's incredible stuff. The hell of a year.
• 2:06:10
  Wow. Well that was that.
• 2:06:12
  That was fucking crazy. Cool.
• 2:06:16
  See what we got here? This is.
• 2:06:19
  You can't smoke cigarettes in my home and his wife seems unwell.
• 2:06:24
  This she came apart at the idea of him not being able to smoke
• 2:06:27
  cigarettes. Just respectfully I.
• 2:06:29
  That's insane. Like I, you know, listen, I like
• 2:06:30
  a good cigarette butt. You got to be able to, you got
• 2:06:34
  to, you got to, you can't be smoking in someone's house.
• 2:06:36
  Really don't care what you call me, his wife, who seems to jump
• 2:06:40
  into all of his debate. What a picture, what a what a
• 2:06:43
  nice looking guy. Was trying to be like, this is
• 2:06:48
  ridiculous, why can't he smoke cigarettes?
• 2:06:50
  And she said. What?
• 2:06:52
  No, no smoking. Typical woman nonsense.
• 2:06:56
  Lol no smoking typical woman nonsense.
• 2:06:58
  I'm surprised she hasn't me tooed anyone yet.
• 2:07:03
  What? What does that mean?
• 2:07:07
  I'm surprised she hasn't me tooed anybody because she
• 2:07:09
  doesn't want cigarette smoke in their house.
• 2:07:12
  I don't understand what. I'm surprised she hasn't me
• 2:07:17
  tooed. Anyone like what?
• 2:07:20
  What? What does that mean?
• 2:07:24
  It's your baby. She, Sir, you can't smoke that
• 2:07:26
  in here. Put it, put it out.
• 2:07:30
  Can't smoke anywhere these days. Then she wrote again.
• 2:07:34
  I mean, she was going crazy about these cigarettes.
• 2:07:35
  She wrote this. Yeah.
• 2:07:37
  Who clutches their pearls about smoking?
• 2:07:40
  What zoomer soy boys? Zoomer soy boys maybe?
• 2:07:45
  Or the type of woman who reports everything to HR like I don't.
• 2:07:48
  This is really funny to me because like there's all these
• 2:07:50
  clips going around about how like Rachel Rachel Wilson is.
• 2:07:55
  Like she's so submissive and petite for Andrew Wilson.
• 2:07:58
  Pretty sure this is it right here.
• 2:08:00
  Like. If I'm getting like a really
• 2:08:04
  bitchy attitude. And the reason bringing this up
• 2:08:06
  is because she will will not shut the fuck up.
• 2:08:08
  And like literally she's making everything worse for Andrew.
• 2:08:10
  But she's just like, clearly this is all fake.
• 2:08:12
  Andrew has no control over her. He likes to pretend that he does
• 2:08:15
  and she does too. But like, Andrew's obviously a
• 2:08:17
  fucking pussy. With him, that's totally
• 2:08:19
  undeserved. He'll be like, you need to go
• 2:08:21
  take a nap and you don't talk to me like that, you know?
• 2:08:24
  Whoa, tough guy, huh? I always tell this story about
• 2:08:27
  when we first started I. Always tell a story about when
• 2:08:29
  we first started dating. He hit me once.
• 2:08:30
  It hurt his hand worse than my face.
• 2:08:33
  He cut it on his my teeth. I said, what are we talking
• 2:08:35
  about here? Dating and I was being kind of a
• 2:08:37
  brat and I threw a remote control at him for some reason.
• 2:08:41
  Don't even remember what it was. But I swear to God, these guys
• 2:08:43
  are the types of people that would like that would like meow
• 2:08:45
  in public. You know what I mean?
• 2:08:46
  Like they just give me this vibe.
• 2:08:47
  This is insane. I was.
• 2:08:48
  Just being a sassy brat and he just looked at me and he went I
• 2:08:52
  don't date girls who throw things at me, I.
• 2:08:55
  Believe now. And if you ever want to see me I
• 2:08:58
  do again, you should call me and apologize.
• 2:09:01
  As long as she's throwing that pussy back on me talking about
• 2:09:03
  my wife. Obviously not whatever she is,
• 2:09:05
  but. And he just walked out.
• 2:09:07
  He didn't. Get into a fight with me.
• 2:09:10
  He just. Calmly asserted like this is a
• 2:09:13
  boundary that you don't cross. Hey, well you know what?
• 2:09:15
  You know what they say. Nothing makes anyone seem like a
• 2:09:18
  man as much as your wife going on and talking about and how
• 2:09:22
  you're actually a pretty tough guy for walking away.
• 2:09:23
  I don't know, cool. What?
• 2:09:25
  This makes him seem so cringe. That I won't put up with.
• 2:09:28
  And at first I was like, what a journey I got.
• 2:09:32
  Like, you know, I got in my feelings about it.
• 2:09:34
  And then I went, oh crap. Am I the girl that throws
• 2:09:37
  things? Am I the girl that throws stuff
• 2:09:39
  at guys? Like I don't want to be her I
• 2:09:41
  don't want. What does that mean?
• 2:09:42
  Am I the girl that throw throws things?
• 2:09:44
  He probably, yeah, he probably cried walking away.
• 2:09:45
  Sort. Of be like that I was and then I
• 2:09:47
  was like, Dang it, he's right. He's right.
• 2:09:50
  So just my ability to say to myself, yeah, like objectively
• 2:09:54
  he's right. That was out of pocket obnoxious
• 2:09:56
  behavior. And no man who respects himself
• 2:09:59
  is going to want that helped me. It helped me to correct behavior
• 2:10:04
  like habits that I had probably picked up growing up that I
• 2:10:07
  didn't even know that I had. Wow, so true.
• 2:10:09
  And he was just calmly assertive.
• 2:10:10
  He, he never yells at me. He doesn't raise his voice to
• 2:10:15
  me. Like, really ever.
• 2:10:17
  Why would I care about that? He's like a little, he's like 5
• 2:10:19
  foot six. What would there's not?
• 2:10:21
  He's not a very threatening looking guy.
• 2:10:22
  So like, what does it matter if he did raise his voice?
• 2:10:24
  It wouldn't even be scary. It would be a laughable event.
• 2:10:26
  Like Andrew, like the type of guy that like, oh, he doesn't
• 2:10:29
  yell at me. That's a guy like that's
• 2:10:32
  somebody that's big. That's like a six foot 4 fat guy
• 2:10:35
  wearing AUSA fucking T-shirt dude.
• 2:10:38
  Somebody big and actually like strong nor a normal guy.
• 2:10:43
  This guy's he's like he's swear to the guy's like 5 foot 6.
• 2:10:46
  Like him yelling would be laughable.
• 2:10:49
  You wouldn't who cares if he would yell?
• 2:10:50
  He didn't yell. It was so above him.
• 2:10:54
  What the fuck you guys are? You guys are both crying so bad
• 2:10:57
  that he can't smoke cigarettes in somebody's house.
• 2:11:00
  Like he obviously is just like a little baby who can't like exist
• 2:11:03
  without a little fucking Binky. That's what the cigarette is for
• 2:11:05
  him. He'll just calmly be like, no,
• 2:11:08
  that's not happening. This is what you know, This is
• 2:11:11
  what we're. Going to do.
• 2:11:12
  And sometimes he, most of the time he takes a lot of care to
• 2:11:16
  like explain what he's thinking, but he sometimes he's like,
• 2:11:19
  look, I don't have time. He failed to do that.
• 2:11:22
  He failed to do that on Andrew, on on, on Ken's own.
• 2:11:25
  Ton to flex you, right? Ton to flex, dude.
• 2:11:28
  Here we go. Here we go.
• 2:11:29
  Right there. There it is, dude.
• 2:11:31
  Front Delt's looking pretty decent right there.
• 2:11:34
  Traps. What the fuck, dude?
• 2:11:37
  There it is, dude. Yeah.
• 2:11:38
  You better be afraid, my wife. You better be afraid, wife.
• 2:11:42
  My wife better be fucking terrified right now.
• 2:11:44
  Then I'll yell at. I'm just not going to yell at
• 2:11:46
  her. This is The thing is that I know
• 2:11:48
  my wife will stab me in my sleep if she if I ever fucked with her
• 2:11:50
  like that. So that's why I don't yell at
• 2:11:53
  her. It's a it's called a real woman,
• 2:11:56
  you know what I'm saying? Or patience to explain this
• 2:11:58
  right now this is just what I need you to do and you got to
• 2:12:00
  trust me. And I go OK.
• 2:12:01
  Wow, so that was obviously all fake.
• 2:12:03
  Know what this is? It's so trashy I can't
• 2:12:06
  comprehend it. OK, I guess I'm a zoomer me tour
• 2:12:09
  because your husband can't chain smoke in front of me.
• 2:12:11
  She's. Just kept going and going.
• 2:12:13
  And then someone pointed out to me that this is like a routine
• 2:12:16
  thing where she just jumps into his debates.
• 2:12:17
  But his brand is like Manosphere and patriarchy and like putting
• 2:12:21
  these like girls only fan girls in their place and telling them
• 2:12:27
  about how they shouldn't be living this life.
• 2:12:30
  And yet his wife is way out of pocket.
• 2:12:34
  And when that girl that we showed you, Charlie, debated him
• 2:12:38
  and was about to raise a valid point about if you're going to
• 2:12:40
  be lecturing about this lifestyle, do you embody this
• 2:12:43
  lifestyle in your own personal life?
• 2:12:45
  And he sort of crashed out. Well, yeah, she specifically, or
• 2:12:47
  Dave specifically said that, like, she has five kids with
• 2:12:51
  three different guys. And if he's going to like, you
• 2:12:54
  know, she obviously was, you know, and she's slooting around,
• 2:12:58
  you know, Sue's going to salute any miscers out there, you know,
• 2:13:02
  And by the way, you know, sometimes you got to sow your
• 2:13:04
  wild oats or you have to get those oats sowed into you.
• 2:13:06
  I don't know. But, you know, I mean, she's
• 2:13:10
  very, what are you doing? You know, she's very loud and
• 2:13:13
  aggressive and annoying. Don't talk about my wife.
• 2:13:16
  He's stupid mouth. Yeah, the the first thing he
• 2:13:19
  said was that she eats pussy. And what an what an own.
• 2:13:22
  What an own. She fucking eats pussy, dude.
• 2:13:24
  Holy fuck. Which is weird because I Andrew
• 2:13:27
  looks like the kind of guy who eats pussy.
• 2:13:28
  Or maybe he just yells into the, the, the, the, the crevasse that
• 2:13:32
  is her vagina. He could hear her.
• 2:13:34
  He could hear himself back. That's why he likes her so much.
• 2:13:36
  I would imagine. You know, I don't know, maybe
• 2:13:39
  maybe I'm wrong about that. I just hate high body counts.
• 2:13:42
  Guys, I'm such a toxic guy. I can't believe you'd have all
• 2:13:46
  of those babies. Very irresponsible.
• 2:13:48
  Stupid mouth. What happened after that?
• 2:13:50
  Irresponsible was they? His wife called in and started
• 2:13:53
  debating her. Rachel seems to indicate she'd
• 2:13:57
  like to do a call in with your permission.
• 2:14:00
  Oh, absolutely I'm. Oh yes, I will absolutely let my
• 2:14:02
  wife do this for me. To go have a smoke.
• 2:14:04
  I don't want to talk to you. Oh no, he talked a bunch of Now
• 2:14:07
  it's your turn. Not really talking shit.
• 2:14:09
  He need an excuse to go smoke a cigarette and have a cry.
• 2:14:12
  If she Yeah, if she had only slept with three men but aborted
• 2:14:15
  her children, would she hang on? Would she hang on?
• 2:14:18
  Rachel? Shop for a second?
• 2:14:19
  It it would it be the case? Was that too abusive?
• 2:14:24
  Shut up, Rachel. Was that too abusive, Charlie?
• 2:14:27
  OK. I don't know man that like.
• 2:14:32
  Is Gus Johnson you get fat? Sorry, I probably should have
• 2:14:42
  googled it. I'm excited for Friday because
• 2:14:46
  we're not going to be phoning friends, but the wife is a
• 2:14:49
  thing. It's a thing.
• 2:14:51
  And she jumps right in and she speaks on behalf of her husband.
• 2:14:54
  He tells her to shut up. I which I would in a when he
• 2:14:58
  says that abusive. Yeah, my husband does not tell
• 2:15:00
  me to shut up and I did not tell my husband to shut up.
• 2:15:02
  Just to be clear, I would never allow that in a relationship at
• 2:15:05
  all. Like just seems crazy to me to
• 2:15:06
  say to your wife disrespectful, especially when you're on live
• 2:15:09
  TV or like live in a live debate.
• 2:15:11
  To be fair, I did tell his wife to I suggested she should shut
• 2:15:14
  up. So like, maybe it's a
• 2:15:15
  extenuating circumstance. You can't.
• 2:15:17
  All right, well, that was fucking crazy.
• 2:15:20
  Good luck, Andrew.