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A Transformative Collaboration: The Story Behind Daniel Caesar's 'Freudian' · Music Explored Podcast

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  The
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  church
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  scene.
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  And
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  he
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  was
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  like,
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  hey,
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  I'm
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  working
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  with
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  this
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  artist.
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  We're
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  trying
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  a
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  thing.
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  And
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  they
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  just
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  want
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  to
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  know,
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  like,
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  if
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  we
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  can
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  get
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  you
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  to
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  coach
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  him.
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  So
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  cool.
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  So
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  I
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  didn't
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  really
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  know
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  much
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  about
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  the
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  kid.
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  I
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  just
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  knew
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  that
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  he
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  was
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  new
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  to
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  this
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  thing
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  and
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  wanted
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  to
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  try
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  something
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  out.
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  So
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  we
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  did
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  a
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  session
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  that
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  grew
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  into
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  more
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  vocal
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  sessions.
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  When
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  I
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  say
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  a
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  session,
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  I
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  mean,
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  like,
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  vocal
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  coaching
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  session.
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  Okay.
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  And
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  then
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  that
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  grew
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  into
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  them
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  saying,
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  like,
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  okay,
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  we're
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  working
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  on
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  an
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  album
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  and
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  we
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  want
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  to
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  know
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  if
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  you
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  can
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  vocal
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  produce.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  yes.
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  Like,
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  I
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  really
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  wanted.
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  That's.
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  I
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  love
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  doing
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  that.
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  And
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  because
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  it
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  was
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  challenging
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  me
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  to
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  do
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  something
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  outside
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  of
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  gospel
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  as
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  well.
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  I
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  love
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  a
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  good
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  challenge,
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  too.
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  So
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  I
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  was
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  like,
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  yeah,
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  let's
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  do
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  it.
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  And
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  then
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  fast
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  forward.
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  His
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  name
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  is
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  Daniel
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  Caesar,
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  and
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  that
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  album
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  turned
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  into
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  Freudian,
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  which
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  is.
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  Which
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  has
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  afforded
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  us
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  Grammy
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  nominations.
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  Danny
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  won
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  a
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  Grammy
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  off
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  of
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  it,
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  I
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  think.
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  But
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  I
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  just
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  got
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  the
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  nomination.
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  Yeah,
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  I'm
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  very
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  grateful
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  for
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  it.
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  That
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  was
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  that.
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  And
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  then
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  grew
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  into
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  other
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  people
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  hearing
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  about
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  me
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  in
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  the
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  industry.
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  People
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  are
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  still
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  just
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  figuring
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  out
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  who
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  I
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  am.
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  I'm
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  still
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  small
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  fry,
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  in
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  my
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  opinion.
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  And,
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  yeah,
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  that's
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  just
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  things.
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  Or
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  actually,
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  let
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  me
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  tell
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  you
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  about
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  this.
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  We
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  just
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  came
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  off
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  of
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  tour
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  in
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  December,
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  so
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  we
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  did
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  a
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  world
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  tour,
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  which
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  was
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  amazing
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  for
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  me.
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  It
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  was
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  my
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  first
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  world
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  tour
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  living
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  on
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  a
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  bus.
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  You
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  know,
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  we
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  started
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  off
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  in
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  America,
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  then
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  we
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  went
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  to
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  Europe,
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  then
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  we
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  did
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  Canada,
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  and
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  that
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  was
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  an
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  experience.
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  I
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  got
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  to
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  meet
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  people
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  around
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  the
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  world
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  that
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  way
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  as
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  well.
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  And
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  then.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  I
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  don't
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  know
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  what
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  else
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  I
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  could
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  tell
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  you,
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  but
• 2:09
  that's
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  basically
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  some
• 2:10
  of
• 2:10
  the
• 2:11
  stuff
• 2:11
  that
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  music
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  has
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  afforded
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  me
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  to
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  do.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  I
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  know
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  you've
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  been
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  all.
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  All
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  these
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  stages
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  you've
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  been
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  on.
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  You're
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  doing
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  pretty
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  much
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  the
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  same
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  show
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  while
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  you're
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  on
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  tour.
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  I've
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  heard.
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  I've
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  heard
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  and
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  I've
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  experienced
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  sort
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  of
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  this
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  feeling.
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  Did
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  you
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  ever
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  get
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  the
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  sense
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  that's
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  almost
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  like
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  the
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  crowd.
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  Did
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  you
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  see
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  the
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  crowd
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  reacting
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  the
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  same
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  way
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  no
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  matter
• 2:33
  where
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  you
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  went
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  or
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  were
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  there
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  any
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  differences
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  that
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  you
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  noted
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  or.
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  There
• 2:38
  were
• 2:38
  differences,
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  actually.
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  People
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  are
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  different
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  in
• 2:44
  different
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  places
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  of
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  the
• 2:45
  world.
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  Even
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  in.
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  Let's
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  talk
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  about
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  America
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  on
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  its
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  own,
• 2:50
  there's
• 2:51
  certain
• 2:51
  places
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  where
• 2:52
  they're
• 2:53
  a
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  little
• 2:53
  more
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  lively
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  or
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  other
• 2:55
  places
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  where
• 2:56
  they're
• 2:57
  just
• 2:57
  taking
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  it
• 2:58
  in,
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  and
• 2:58
  you
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  almost
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  feel
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  like
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  you
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  did
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  a
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  really
• 3:00
  bad
• 3:01
  show.
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  But
• 3:02
  it's
• 3:02
  the
• 3:02
  way
• 3:02
  they
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  react
• 3:03
  to
• 3:03
  it
• 3:04
  after
• 3:04
  makes
• 3:04
  you
• 3:04
  realize,
• 3:05
  oh,
• 3:05
  you
• 3:05
  were
• 3:06
  just
• 3:06
  taking
• 3:06
  it
• 3:07
  in.
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  And
• 3:08
  I
• 3:08
  think
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  we
• 3:10
  used
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  to
• 3:11
  be
• 3:11
  like
• 3:11
  that
• 3:11
  a
• 3:11
  lot
• 3:12
  here
• 3:12
  in
• 3:12
  Toronto.
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  But
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  over
• 3:14
  time,
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  I've
• 3:15
  seen
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  the
• 3:15
  culture
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  change
• 3:16
  a
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  bit,
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  and
• 3:18
  I've
• 3:19
  spoken
• 3:19
  to
• 3:20
  a
• 3:20
  lot
• 3:20
  of
• 3:20
  artists
• 3:21
  in
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  past
• 3:22
  that
• 3:22
  have
• 3:22
  come
• 3:22
  here
• 3:23
  and
• 3:23
  they're
• 3:23
  like,
• 3:23
  I
• 3:24
  don't
• 3:24
  know,
• 3:24
  like,
• 3:24
  I
• 3:25
  guess
• 3:25
  Toronto
• 3:26
  wasn't
• 3:26
  feeling
• 3:27
  me.
• 3:27
  And
• 3:27
  I'm
• 3:27
  like,
• 3:28
  no,
• 3:28
  they
• 3:28
  were
• 3:28
  feeling
• 3:30
  our
• 3:31
  different
• 3:31
  way
• 3:31
  of
• 3:32
  taking
• 3:33
  it
• 3:33
  in.
• 3:34
  But,
• 3:34
  yeah,
• 3:39
  feeling
• 3:39
  too
• 3:39
  nice.
• 3:41
  But
• 3:41
  like
• 3:42
  I
• 3:42
  said,
• 3:42
  the
• 3:42
  culture
• 3:43
  is
• 3:43
  changing
• 3:43
  a
• 3:43
  little
• 3:44
  bit.
• 3:45
  People
• 3:46
  are
• 3:46
  a
• 3:46
  little
• 3:46
  more
• 3:47
  free
• 3:47
  in
• 3:47
  Toronto,
• 3:48
  or
• 3:48
  they're
• 3:49
  getting
• 3:49
  there.
• 3:50
  And
• 3:50
  so
• 3:50
  I
• 3:50
  want
• 3:50
  to
• 3:50
  give
• 3:51
  them
• 3:51
  that
• 3:51
  credit.
• 3:53
  But,
• 3:53
  yeah,
• 3:54
  audiences
• 3:55
  are
• 3:55
  different
• 3:56
  everywhere
• 3:56
  around
• 3:56
  the
• 3:56
  world,
• 3:57
  but
• 3:58
  for
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  most
• 3:58
  part,
• 3:59
  it's
• 3:59
  still
• 3:59
  good
• 3:59
  to
• 4:00
  see
• 4:00
  people
• 4:01
  singing
• 4:01
  the
• 4:01
  words
• 4:02
  back
• 4:02
  that
• 4:02
  you
• 4:03
  contributed
• 4:03
  to
• 4:04
  and
• 4:04
  the
• 4:04
  harmonies
• 4:05
  you
• 4:05
  did
• 4:06
  and
• 4:06
  them
• 4:07
  noticing
• 4:08
  you.
• 4:08
  And
• 4:09
  it
• 4:09
  just
• 4:09
  makes
• 4:09
  you
• 4:10
  feel
• 4:10
  like
• 4:11
  all
• 4:11
  the
• 4:11
  hard
• 4:11
  work
• 4:11
  you
• 4:12
  put
• 4:12
  into
• 4:12
  it
• 4:12
  is
• 4:13
  actually
• 4:13
  paying
• 4:13
  off
• 4:14
  and
• 4:14
  it
• 4:14
  was
• 4:15
  worth
• 4:15
  it.
• 4:16
  Amazing.
• 4:17
  That
• 4:17
  makes
• 4:18
  perfect
• 4:18
  sense.
• 4:19
  What
• 4:19
  do
• 4:19
  you.
• 4:19
  What
• 4:19
  do
• 4:19
  you
• 4:20
  love
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  most
• 4:20
  about
• 4:21
  being
• 4:21
  a
• 4:21
  musician?
• 4:23
  Impact.
• 4:25
  I
• 4:25
  love
• 4:26
  reaching
• 4:27
  people
• 4:28
  that
• 4:28
  I
• 4:29
  probably
• 4:29
  can't
• 4:29
  physically
• 4:30
  get
• 4:30
  to,
• 4:32
  and
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  love
• 4:35
  invoking
• 4:36
  thoughts
• 4:36
  and
• 4:36
  ideas
• 4:37
  in
• 4:37
  people
• 4:38
  through
• 4:38
  songs,
• 4:41
  and
• 4:41
  hopefully
• 4:43
  that
• 4:43
  will
• 4:44
  start
• 4:45
  a
• 4:45
  change
• 4:45
  in
• 4:46
  them,
• 4:46
  a
• 4:46
  positive
• 4:47
  change.
• 4:50
  Yeah,
• 4:50
  I
• 4:51
  guess
• 4:51
  in
• 4:52
  one
• 4:52
  word
• 4:52
  it
• 4:52
  would
• 4:52
  be
• 4:53
  impact.
• 4:53
  I
• 4:54
  think
• 4:54
  that's
• 4:54
  what
• 4:54
  I
• 4:54
  really
• 4:55
  love
• 4:55
  about
• 4:56
  music.
• 4:57
  There's
• 4:57
  no
• 4:57
  borders
• 4:58
  with
• 4:58
  music.
• 4:59
  It's
• 5:00
  a
• 5:01
  universal
• 5:01
  language
• 5:02
  that
• 5:02
  everybody
• 5:03
  understands
• 5:04
  and
• 5:04
  everybody
• 5:05
  feels.
• 5:07
  Especially
• 5:07
  right
• 5:08
  now,
• 5:09
  during
• 5:09
  this
• 5:09
  whole
• 5:09
  COVID
• 5:10
  19
• 5:10
  situation,
• 5:11
  I'm
• 5:11
  seeing
• 5:12
  how
• 5:12
  many
• 5:13
  people
• 5:14
  are
• 5:14
  turning
• 5:14
  to
• 5:14
  music
• 5:15
  because
• 5:15
  it's
• 5:16
  healing.
• 5:17
  It
• 5:18
  helps
• 5:18
  you
• 5:19
  take
• 5:20
  your
• 5:20
  mind
• 5:20
  off
• 5:21
  of
• 5:21
  what's
• 5:21
  going
• 5:21
  on
• 5:22
  around
• 5:22
  you.
• 5:23
  And
• 5:24
  then
• 5:24
  when
• 5:24
  you
• 5:24
  do
• 5:25
  have
• 5:25
  to
• 5:25
  face
• 5:25
  reality,
• 5:26
  it
• 5:26
  also
• 5:26
  helps
• 5:27
  you
• 5:27
  face
• 5:27
  reality.
• 5:30
  That
• 5:30
  makes.
• 5:30
  That's
• 5:31
  a
• 5:31
  great
• 5:31
  answer,
• 5:32
  I
• 5:32
  guess.
• 5:33
  On
• 5:33
  the
• 5:33
  flip
• 5:33
  side
• 5:33
  of
• 5:33
  that,
• 5:34
  what
• 5:34
  do
• 5:34
  you
• 5:34
  hate
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  most
• 5:34
  about
• 5:35
  the
• 5:35
  music
• 5:35
  industry?
• 5:36
  Oh,
• 5:38
  there's
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  lot
• 5:39
  of
• 5:39
  things.
• 5:39
  I'm
• 5:40
  joking.
• 5:42
  No,
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  mean,
• 5:43
  like
• 5:44
  every
• 5:44
  industry,
• 5:44
  there's
• 5:45
  challenges.
• 5:49
  I
• 5:49
  just
• 5:49
  think
• 5:50
  a
• 5:50
  lot
• 5:50
  of
• 5:50
  times,
• 5:51
  people,
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  longer
• 5:53
  you're
• 5:53
  in
• 5:53
  the
• 5:53
  industry,
• 5:54
  it's
• 5:54
  easier
• 5:55
  for
• 5:55
  you
• 5:55
  to
• 5:57
  become
• 5:57
  caught
• 5:57
  up
• 5:58
  in
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  bubble
• 5:59
  and
• 5:59
  forget
• 6:00
  about
• 6:01
  things
• 6:01
  outside
• 6:02
  of
• 6:02
  the
• 6:02
  bubble.
• 6:04
  I
• 6:05
  constantly
• 6:05
  have
• 6:05
  to
• 6:05
  fight
• 6:06
  that
• 6:06
  myself.
• 6:07
  Like,
• 6:07
  it's
• 6:08
  just
• 6:08
  to
• 6:08
  be
• 6:09
  quite
• 6:09
  real.
• 6:11
  You're
• 6:11
  so
• 6:11
  busy
• 6:12
  and
• 6:12
  working
• 6:13
  with
• 6:13
  people
• 6:13
  in
• 6:13
  this
• 6:14
  bubble
• 6:15
  that
• 6:15
  you
• 6:15
  forget
• 6:15
  about
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  world
• 6:16
  outside
• 6:17
  of
• 6:17
  it
• 6:17
  sometimes.
• 6:18
  And
• 6:19
  that
• 6:20
  I
• 6:20
  don't
• 6:20
  like.
• 6:22
  It's
• 6:22
  hard
• 6:22
  for
• 6:23
  people
• 6:23
  to
• 6:24
  reach
• 6:25
  out
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  somebody
• 6:26
  who
• 6:27
  might
• 6:28
  have
• 6:28
  a
• 6:28
  foot
• 6:29
  or.
• 6:29
  Or
• 6:30
  just
• 6:30
  be
• 6:30
  in
• 6:31
  that
• 6:31
  bubble.
• 6:31
  It's
• 6:31
  really
• 6:32
  hard
• 6:32
  because
• 6:34
  they
• 6:34
  look
• 6:35
  at
• 6:35
  your
• 6:35
  followers,
• 6:35
  they
• 6:36
  look
• 6:36
  at
• 6:36
  how
• 6:36
  many
• 6:36
  followers
• 6:37
  you
• 6:37
  have
• 6:37
  or
• 6:38
  what
• 6:38
  you've
• 6:38
  done
• 6:39
  or
• 6:40
  who
• 6:41
  you've
• 6:41
  written
• 6:42
  for.
• 6:42
  And
• 6:42
  if
• 6:42
  you
• 6:42
  don't
• 6:43
  have
• 6:43
  any
• 6:43
  credentials
• 6:44
  under
• 6:45
  your
• 6:45
  belt,
• 6:45
  it's
• 6:45
  almost
• 6:46
  like
• 6:46
  you're.
• 6:47
  You're
• 6:47
  nothing
• 6:47
  and
• 6:48
  you
• 6:48
  don't
• 6:48
  matter.
• 6:49
  And
• 6:50
  that
• 6:50
  doesn't
• 6:50
  work.
• 6:51
  That.
• 6:52
  That's
• 6:54
  counterproductive
• 6:55
  because
• 6:55
  it's
• 6:56
  like,
• 6:56
  how
• 6:56
  do
• 6:56
  I
• 6:57
  make
• 6:57
  it
• 6:58
  there
• 6:58
  then?
• 6:58
  How
• 6:58
  do
• 6:58
  I
• 6:59
  get
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  help
• 6:59
  that
• 6:59
  I
• 6:59
  need?
• 7:00
  How
• 7:01
  do
• 7:01
  I
• 7:02
  progress
• 7:02
  if
• 7:03
  nobody's
• 7:04
  allowing
• 7:04
  me
• 7:05
  to,
• 7:05
  even
• 7:05
  if
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  can't
• 7:06
  get
• 7:06
  to
• 7:06
  them,
• 7:06
  if
• 7:07
  I
• 7:07
  can't
• 7:07
  reach
• 7:07
  them?
• 7:08
  So
• 7:09
  I
• 7:09
  think
• 7:09
  that's
• 7:09
  something
• 7:10
  we
• 7:10
  can
• 7:11
  work
• 7:11
  on
• 7:11
  in
• 7:12
  the
• 7:12
  industry,
• 7:12
  is
• 7:13
  being
• 7:13
  a
• 7:13
  little
• 7:13
  bit
• 7:13
  more
• 7:16
  reachable.
• 7:19
  Yeah,
• 7:19
  that
• 7:20
  makes
• 7:20
  sense.
• 7:20
  No,
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  kind
• 7:20
  of
• 7:21
  understand
• 7:21
  what
• 7:21
  you're
• 7:21
  saying.
• 7:22
  Is
• 7:22
  there
• 7:22
  anything
• 7:23
  else
• 7:23
  you'd
• 7:23
  like
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  change
• 7:24
  about
• 7:24
  the
• 7:24
  industry?
• 7:24
  I
• 7:25
  guess
• 7:25
  you're
• 7:25
  saying
• 7:25
  that
• 7:25
  right
• 7:26
  now
• 7:26
  it's
• 7:26
  just
• 7:26
  hard
• 7:27
  for,
• 7:27
  for
• 7:28
  up
• 7:28
  and
• 7:28
  comers
• 7:29
  to
• 7:29
  really
• 7:29
  get
• 7:29
  the
• 7:30
  credit
• 7:30
  or
• 7:30
  to
• 7:31
  really
• 7:31
  get
• 7:31
  their
• 7:32
  chops,
• 7:32
  if
• 7:33
  you
• 7:33
  will,
• 7:33
  in
• 7:33
  the
• 7:34
  industry,
• 7:34
  but.
• 7:34
  Or
• 7:35
  notice.
• 7:37
  Yeah,
• 7:37
  exactly.
• 7:38
  Even
• 7:38
  just
• 7:38
  be
• 7:38
  noticed.
• 7:39
  So
• 7:39
  if
• 7:39
  you
• 7:40
  could,
• 7:40
  what
• 7:40
  would
• 7:40
  you
• 7:41
  specifically
• 7:41
  change
• 7:42
  about
• 7:42
  the.
• 7:42
  I
• 7:43
  guess
• 7:43
  let's
• 7:43
  start
• 7:43
  just
• 7:44
  specifically
• 7:44
  with
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  music
• 7:45
  scene
• 7:45
  in
• 7:45
  Toronto.
• 7:46
  What
• 7:46
  would
• 7:46
  you
• 7:47
  like
• 7:47
  if
• 7:47
  you
• 7:48
  could
• 7:48
  change
• 7:48
  a
• 7:48
  couple
• 7:49
  things
• 7:49
  about
• 7:49
  the
• 7:49
  music
• 7:49
  scene
• 7:50
  Toronto,
• 7:50
  what
• 7:50
  would
• 7:50
  it
• 7:50
  be?
• 7:54
  I
• 7:55
  would.
• 7:56
  It's
• 7:57
  hard
• 7:57
  to
• 7:57
  say,
• 7:57
  but
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  main
• 7:59
  thing
• 7:59
  that's
• 7:59
  been
• 7:59
  in
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  forefront
• 8:00
  of
• 8:00
  my
• 8:01
  mind
• 8:01
  is
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  sense
• 8:02
  of
• 8:03
  a
• 8:03
  community,
• 8:03
  a
• 8:04
  music
• 8:04
  community.
• 8:05
  It's
• 8:05
  starting
• 8:06
  to
• 8:06
  develop
• 8:07
  here
• 8:07
  a
• 8:07
  bit,
• 8:08
  but
• 8:09
  we
• 8:09
  need
• 8:09
  that.
• 8:09
  I
• 8:10
  find
• 8:12
  a
• 8:12
  lot
• 8:12
  of
• 8:12
  artists
• 8:14
  will
• 8:14
  know
• 8:15
  of
• 8:15
  each
• 8:15
  other
• 8:16
  here
• 8:16
  in
• 8:16
  the
• 8:16
  city,
• 8:16
  but
• 8:16
  they
• 8:17
  don't
• 8:18
  really
• 8:18
  know
• 8:18
  each
• 8:19
  other.
• 8:19
  Nobody's
• 8:20
  put
• 8:20
  out
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  effort
• 8:22
  to
• 8:22
  get
• 8:22
  to
• 8:22
  know
• 8:23
  that
• 8:23
  person
• 8:23
  or
• 8:23
  work
• 8:24
  or
• 8:24
  collaborate.
• 8:26
  I
• 8:26
  find
• 8:27
  in
• 8:27
  certain
• 8:27
  places
• 8:28
  in
• 8:28
  America,
• 8:29
  you'll
• 8:29
  go,
• 8:30
  and
• 8:30
  somebody's
• 8:30
  like,
• 8:31
  yo,
• 8:31
  you
• 8:31
  need
• 8:32
  to
• 8:32
  meet
• 8:32
  Dave,
• 8:33
  because
• 8:34
  Dave
• 8:34
  is
• 8:34
  going
• 8:34
  to
• 8:34
  help
• 8:35
  you
• 8:35
  with
• 8:35
  this.
• 8:35
  And
• 8:35
  then
• 8:36
  Dave
• 8:36
  meets
• 8:37
  you
• 8:37
  and
• 8:37
  he's
• 8:37
  like,
• 8:37
  yo,
• 8:38
  I'm
• 8:38
  working
• 8:38
  on
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  Kanye
• 8:39
  west
• 8:39
  album
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  I
• 8:40
  need
• 8:40
  you.
• 8:41
  And
• 8:41
  then
• 8:41
  so
• 8:41
  and
• 8:41
  so
• 8:42
  connects
• 8:42
  you.
• 8:43
  Like,
• 8:43
  everybody's
• 8:44
  connecting
• 8:45
  each
• 8:45
  other
• 8:45
  with
• 8:47
  and
• 8:47
  making
• 8:48
  things
• 8:48
  happen
• 8:48
  in
• 8:48
  that
• 8:49
  type
• 8:49
  of
• 8:49
  way.
• 8:50
  And
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  think
• 8:50
  we
• 8:50
  lack
• 8:50
  that
• 8:51
  in
• 8:51
  Toronto.
• 8:52
  We.
• 8:52
  We
• 8:52
  feel
• 8:52
  like
• 8:52
  it's
• 8:53
  a.
• 8:53
  More
• 8:53
  of
• 8:53
  a
• 8:53
  competition
• 8:54
  here,
• 8:56
  and
• 8:56
  that's
• 8:57
  just
• 8:57
  the
• 8:58
  lack
• 8:58
  of
• 8:58
  knowledge.
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  think
• 9:00
  we
• 9:00
  need
• 9:01
  more
• 9:01
  people
• 9:01
  to
• 9:02
  speak
• 9:02
  out
• 9:02
  and
• 9:03
  say,
• 9:03
  hey,
• 9:03
  that's
• 9:03
  not
• 9:03
  how
• 9:04
  it
• 9:04
  works.
• 9:04
  It
• 9:04
  doesn't
• 9:04
  mean
• 9:05
  like,
• 9:05
  who's
• 9:05
  better
• 9:06
  makes
• 9:06
  it
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  top.
• 9:07
  It's
• 9:07
  all
• 9:07
  about,
• 9:08
  like,
• 9:08
  how
• 9:08
  we
• 9:08
  push
• 9:09
  each
• 9:09
  other
• 9:09
  to
• 9:10
  the
• 9:10
  top
• 9:11
  or
• 9:11
  pull
• 9:12
  each
• 9:12
  other
• 9:12
  the
• 9:12
  top.
• 9:13
  Right.
• 9:13
  So.