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Checking In · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  And welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast along with my
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  Third co-host. Is Shelton are full-time data
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  Corner 5K Walkman, Here We Go. Whoo, that's what I want.
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  It's great. Having all y'all here.
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  Everybody join us watching. Wherever you're joining us.
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  Look at this. I love it.
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  I love it. Already some people chiming in,
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  get, in here, tell your brother's your sisters, your
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  mama, your past of everybody. Getting white Vic.
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  Shout out. He in here.
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  This is White's with us tonight and we are going to go through a
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  bunch of stuff. Obviously we got a ton of
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  football stuff that I know we got to find tell Minds interview
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  later on tonight but we're going to start with basketball for a
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  couple reasons. A, the Hokies have one game
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  left. The ACC tournament is next week
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  the with Start play tomorrow in the ACC tournament so Sheldon,
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  welcome back has the road been brother, it's been okay.
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  You know, it's been kind of an up-and-down basketball season.
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  I know the men beat Louisville, couple nights ago.
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  They had me worried there for a sec there, a dump up I think
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  three with like 10 minutes left and went to like a 4C, nothing
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  run to to get the dub but yeah, just been, it's been a tough
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  season man. But we'll see what happened
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  mean. It's March.
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  So, anything could happen in the ACC tournament.
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  Anything can happen in Before we get into sort of what kind of
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  going to Deep dive of the Season tonight, Shelton's been pulling
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  data points and we've got some questions.
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  We want to ask him and kind of figure out, why is this team
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  where they are. Because as we said here, just
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  for we, got home. Tally was mentioning how He it's
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  like what the football teams, your daughter, you'll never
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  spank her but the basketball teams like your son and you'll
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  take the behind the Woodshed, be the.
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  So we're trying to figure out why but before we get into all
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  of that, I want to talk about actually some really good news
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  in shall not. Let you go a little bit more on
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  this but got a pretty big Prospect commitment.
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  Just the other day. AJ Swinton small 46 585 from
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  Sierra Canyon High School. He's for those who do not know
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  that is where Ronnie James plays.
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  That is a really good basketball, high school, three
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  star by 24/7, a composite four-star, right at the top 100
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  in the composite Shelton. You had a chance to kind of.
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  Look at this guy. I mean, what does he bring for
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  the Hokies in the future? Yeah, very talented kid.
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  Athletic like you said, he is a three-star for started.
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  Ending on, you know, kind of what metric you look at them.
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  And I think once you get outside like the top 80 top 90s cut on
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  you know there's no real difference but he is a very
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  projectable at the college level you know six foot six or
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  thereabouts He's listed as a small forward I think and feel
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  sort of like a Justin mutts type of role you know but he's got
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  some some Daris maximum and that he's you know, long and
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  obviously athletic. I was looking at a quote as far
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  as you know, how we committed. Obviously, he used to play at
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  the Matha which was where Mike Jones was formerly the head
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  coach. Um, so that was kind of the
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  connection there. Now, an assistant Mike Jones is
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  on the team and there's a quote from AJ we said, you know,
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  talking about my kind of softens.
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  He said it's a free-flowing offense, they share the ball and
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  you can tell that they're well coached and sets the run in the
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  half court. So I think that kind of gives
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  you a sense of what, you know, this is going to come and it's
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  not just like some freak athlete that's get it done.
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  I like he's going to play Within the offense, you know, very high
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  IQ player. So I'm happy to see that.
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  I think despite his high ranking he is more like a developmental
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  guy, you know. Maybe you your red shirt on for
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  one year and then kind of Get them acclimated after that.
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  So there's going to be some sort of, you know, developmental
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  development there. He's not a guy that's going to
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  come in. I don't think and just, you
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  know, start right away. Not like a Rodney rice type of
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  type of recruit, but he is very, very good.
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  I think the future of Virginia Tech basketball, especially at
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  the guard position is looking very good for the next couple of
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  years. The I love here that I'm as we
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  look at a guy like him, you know, I don't think really has
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  Mike young. Really had a player with this
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  type of length that also has this this level of athleticism
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  since he's been a Virginia Tech. I mean, not well, maybe job an
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  isil but I think that is the difference was, you know, Bama.
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  So was not a great shooter. He's more of a slasher and I'll
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  see, you know, he wasn't getting playing time and wanted so he
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  transferred out you had, you know, dearest Maddox who I
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  think. It's when a little bit longer
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  and, you know, obviously there we don't know, you know what,
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  he's going to provide so far yet, but I would imagine he's a
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  little bit more athletic and physical than Maddux.
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  Just what you know, what it seemed like on watching tape and
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  then Ronnie rice to find the best cop.
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  Just, you know, in terms of like is physical, it's physical skill
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  sets. The length particular kind of
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  can kind of clogged up passing lanes and stuff like that.
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  So I mean rice is probably like I said the best comp but it's a
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  very much like a we're not used to getting these types of
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  recruits typically under the Mi kyung era normal go off script a
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  little bit here. Yeah, now Shelton, glad you're
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  here. I'm gonna put you on the spot a
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  little bit. Okay, I'll get on Facebook the
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  other day and I don't even know if this person was a Virginia
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  Tech fan, I see in a big banner brawny.
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  James is looking at Virginia. Tech, do you want to talk about
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  that sir? I don't know, man.
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  I don't know. I just I'm hearing some rumors.
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  That his teammate Aegis win. What he wants to play with his
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  teammate. A just went over at Sierra
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  Canyon, okay? I cannot confirm or deny, those
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  rumors. All I can say is, you know,
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  check your sources. Make sure you look at the
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  reputable replica has a, she was ah, damn Source.
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  I'm not sharing that. Yeah, I just say, it's always,
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  you know, look for the blue. Check the blue.
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  Check on Twitter for the, the orange, check our the square.
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  I don't know what it is. Whatever you like, whatever,
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  check your legacy, check marks before you start.
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  All right, I'm going right in the article.
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  About to go and put it from my source.
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  I heard Bernie is coming y'all. So obviously tally going to be
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  getting us in trouble real quick.
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  G zp z i like spicy spicy. Well I heard LeBron James has
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  eligibility. He's going to come play with
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  brawny at Tech. I mean you know let's just throw
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  him. He's got four years.
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  Let's go. This way, we got some now
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  questions. Let's get into this season and
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  let's talk about some things about why have we been 17 and 13
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  in? Especially why has it been, you
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  know, since an 11 and 1 start is the team now, you know, 6 and 12
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  in the last 18. Brian, I know you got one right
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  out the gate. You want to hit Sheldon with,
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  yeah. This one kind of has been
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  rolling around for a while. I know we got the the double,
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  the road against Louisville but This team has struggled mightily
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  in ACC play in the road contest. When you looked at the data
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  shown and you see any metrics metrics that have any sort of
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  sista sista cool significance, in terms of variation from home
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  games versus away games, I don't think there's a huge variation.
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  I was looking at some numbers before the podcast and I found
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  that Virginia Tech was about middle of pack in the ACC in
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  terms of net increase in Agency at home, compared to on the
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  road. Meaning, you know, they're not
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  that much more efficient at home.
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  So I think, you know, some of the road struggles might be a
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  little bit overblown, just in the sense that like they're
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  there in every game. They're just losing the close
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  games are not finishing, finishing it out, it was in
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  college. I went to overtime Clemson.
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  They lost the last S 3 so I think there's been some bad luck
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  involved, honestly. But I guess the thing that sense
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  of the most is probably just a shooting splits, like Tech has
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  been a pretty bad shooting team on the road.
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  We saw that against Clemson which was probably their best.
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  Defensive performance of the season but encodes a coincided
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  with their worst offensive performance of the Year
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  Syracuse. I think that shot three of 19
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  from three and one of those was in garbage time.
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  So you know when you're on the road a shooting team like Tech
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  that's you know, kind of built around three point shooting,
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  sometimes you get into a different environment and just
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  not comfortable as a shooter and different gyms.
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  So that's probably my best guess.
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  But outside of that, I just think it's an inability to close
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  games down the stretch, really is what it boils down to.
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  We're also talked about, I mean, just kind of staying on what
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  you're doing that. Now you've done a lot of
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  research and that's kind of your thing.
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  I guess. The, what about the like the
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  point of entry infants is when we're talking, you know, layups
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  and offensive rebound layups, you know, things like that.
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  I mean, I think if we Deep dive into, that tells a little bit of
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  a story as well. Please, please make me feel like
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  my eyes haven't fooled me all year, Sheldon on that, because I
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  swear every time I see this team, we were missing.
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  Literally point-blank shots Whether defend it or not
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  defended. So what's the data say or the
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  data says your eyes. Unfortunately might be following
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  you a little bit. We I was like it's so weird.
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  I think we rank like 60 sec in terms of lab percentage.
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  Like you know it's around like 60% converting layups which you
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  know I mean that's kind of know the road I think we've had a few
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  games. Like I said this year where it's
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  just gone completely off the rails.
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  Like, you know, Georgia Tech you just can't make anything so it
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  probably like kind of exacerbates like your perception
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  of Of how good we are in that. And that category, and I don't
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  have the data for this, but maybe it's looking like
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  conference. But it's different than, you
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  know, the entire season when Tech was obviously playing well
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  during the non-conference portion of the season.
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  So, I honestly like my, I mean, we're going to buy this little
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  bit, but my biggest concern is just lack of, you know, getting
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  to the free-throw line. Like Tech is, you know,
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  traditionally under Mike young, one of the worst teams in terms
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  of drawing free throws. And you can see this year, there
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  were like three bottom forty, I think in free-throw roads in the
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  yeah, in the country. Yes.
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  So that's you know that's kind of par for the course of my God.
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  We just don't we just don't really attack the basket a lot.
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  And so you just it's hard to you know, draw fouls and obviously
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  get yourself in, you know, scoring situations like that.
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  Give you a two in foul trouble. That that's my biggest concern.
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  Like I think the layups kind of you know they come and go but
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  the lack of lack of gain to line is a big issue for me.
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  Well yeah because that kind of par for the course with the
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  motion offense versus more. Dribble Drive type type offense,
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  basically a so mi kyung doesn't really recruit Slasher.
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  As you know, he wants guys that can shoot that, you know, can
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  can dribble that can handle the ball.
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  He's always emphasize skill over athleticism, traditionally and
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  recruiting not always, but that's usually the case.
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  So obviously with emotion-based offense, you know, you're moving
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  the ball, you're passing around, you want to get three pointers
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  and and post-ops those are typically the two shots that,
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  you know, you cut that this offense kind of revolves around.
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  Its not like where you just give a guy, the ball is going to go
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  clean up the dribble. You haven't little bit, you know
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  what? Iris Radford a guy like that but
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  for the most part you know he wants to he wants to move the
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  ball once the pass the ball. So you're just not going to Lot
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  of draw penetration. Well, in terms of those layup,
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  percentages, we're looking at, probably at liar bias, on those
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  like handful of games where it just looks pretty, pretty awful.
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  Yeah, I think so well, I mean, I'm looking here just pulled up
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  the Miami, you know, box score and absolutely right Sheldon.
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  I mean, they shot the free throw shot, 19, free, throws a game
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  where text only shooting 7, they go 15 of 19.
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  Tech goes for 6 from the line as a six-point game.
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  So to your point right there, I mean, I mean that is a massive
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  difference in. We look at the stats and say
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  right there. Well, you lost by six.
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  You shoot more free, throws close your game.
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  Maybe a win. Let me ask this though because
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  something I did a little research on.
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  Yes, I did do research in basketball.
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  Yeah. So good about myself is I
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  decided to go through to find the rebound margins.
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  And basically Tech ranked 194 in the country.
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  Basically, zero, basically 50/50 pitiful.
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  It's pitiful but it's not quite For the course, but then I look
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  at a game. Like the Miami game.
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  Another great example, Miami, only outrebounded Us by one, but
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  the significant, it looks like how big was our differential in
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  offensive rebounding for this year.
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  Offensive rebounding. I don't I think we are usually
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  middle of the pack. I can put the numbers up quick
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  so we are yeah, about a little bit below average 19, ACC in
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  terms of offensive rebounding, okay?
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  So, you know, not not great, like you said, yeah.
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  And then 194 slightly under roughly middle of the country.
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  But if you're saying nine, that can only imagine where that is
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  in the, you know, aspects of the country.
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  And again, it was some games. Then again, my eyes aren't
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  fooling me. Because you're giving me the
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  data backing it up. There were some games.
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  It looks like they just didn't want to get in after rebounds.
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  It was just like I understand a long rebound is what it is.
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  Everybody here has played some sort of basketball or play
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  Pick-up Games where somebody shoots you shouting.
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  So long rebound, ain't nothing to do about that but it's when
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  you're seeing the ball right there and people not crashing
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  and that's where it's like. Come on guys and I know you know
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  what do you attest that to is it just the coaching style is it?
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  This is just the bodies we have I would say it's probably
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  influence a little bit both when it comes to those Services
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  splits like you know turnovers free-throws rebounds, a lot of
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  it is based on the scheme in the style, you know.
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  It's no different than football like, are you a big play
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  offense? You know, if you're if you're a
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  quarterback who plays in a big play offense, you're probably
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  have a low completion percentage, but it doesn't
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  necessarily mean that you're a bad quarterback, it just means
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  that you're going to go for like the All or Nothing types of
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  throws. So, with rebounding, it's
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  probably just, you know, as I don't know what Mike young
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  strategy is in rebounding, but my guess is he probably doesn't
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  want guys. Crashing the boards too hard,
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  you know, just as one example if you guys I don't know if you
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  guys watch MBA but the rates of offensive rebounding, the MBR
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  actually had at historical lows and the reason for that is
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  because a lot of teams just want to get back intron on defense.
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  They don't want to give up transition opportunities because
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  what happens is if you crash the glass and you don't get the
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  rebound that allows the the offense to get out in transition
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  and position scoring the other on the other side.
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  So that's kind of where the strategy part plays into it.
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  And, I mean, yeah, it's just kind of, you know, his The way
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  that, you know, a coach likes to play.
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  So yeah. So pretty much like I'm on like
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  a fan. So I guess watching watching the
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  Lakers and watching ad, he's up around the three-point line a
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  lot. You know with him being a
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  7-footer, he's up around the three-point line, a lot more
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  than I want him to be. And I think that kind of goes
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  the same way with the Hokies somebody like Grandpa silly, you
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  know, because he shoots the ball so well he's up.
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  Around that three-point line a lot either looking for a shot
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  or, you know, setting a pick for somebody else to get a shot.
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  So I think similar to what you're saying they're showing is
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  that, you know, when he's there, I mean you got to get back
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  because you're pretty much playing safety to get back if
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  they get that rebound because they're going to get out in
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  transition. So when you have your big men
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  that stretch the floor, like that, you don't have your big
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  man rebound and is that, that kind of, what you, what, you
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  see. Yes, that's a great point and
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  one that I didn't even think Kyle, but yes, if you have a,
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  you know, tech place small anyway, like you got much to six
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  foot seven at the for bacilli. 658 of the fiber is really more
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  like a stretch for facilities at the three-point line.
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  Well he's not getting offensive rebounds so I mean he shoots a
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  lot of Threes. He's one of the best three-point
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  dream. Big one in the country for his
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  for his size. If you look guys for six foot
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  eight there are not a lot of 64, the guys who shoot threes like
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  the silly. So I mean of course in the
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  morning shooting three is the less rebounds is getting and
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  that's again that's just a stylistic preference.
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  Very nice. So I think the next thing I love
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  did put this in and I'm hoping you had a chance to look it up.
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  Was give me the best plus-minus guys give me the top three.
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  Give me the bottom three is far as that goes with the team
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  because that's just a tallish. It's tough for me to find.
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  I don't have all the data but I know plus minus is always
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  telling because okay the guy's a plus it's like you can put him
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  on the floor any time any Situation.
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  It's going to come out on that positive.
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  It doesn't, it isn't, you know, - what's wrong?
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  Can we not score, or is he not good defensively?
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  So who's our who's our guys? They're not targeting anybody,
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  but just kind of painting that picture.
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  Well, it's a definitely basilius the best just because of his
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  ability to score from multiple levels and you know defensively
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  as well he's going to get, you know, a lot of rebounds and like
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  all those blocks for stats that kind of juice is, you know,
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  Advanced metrics and stuff like that.
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  Much is up there too. Obviously Couture, I think
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  Couture's little bit different because he like, he's efficient
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  but he also does so many things that don't show up in a box
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  score. So, you know, it is his values,
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  not necessary always reflected in the statistical metrics and
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  as I think, Padula, kind of middle of the pack, like he
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  scores a lot, but he's not very efficient, kind of a
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  high-volume. Three-point shooter has not shot
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  the ball. Well, from three this year, I
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  think he's play a little bit too much hero ball.
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  Not shot selection is a little bit hit or miss.
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  And then if you look at the bottom You know, I think empty
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  Collins has struggled, you know, freshman freshman gonna hit a
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  wall, sometimes his three-point shot hasn't really been there.
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  You know, offensively he's not a guy that defense is really going
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  to key in on. So you know, he's one guy that I
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  think obviously, you know, even understand like there's going to
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  be some Growing Pains as a freshman you come in and and he
• 19:19
  was always going to be like, more of a developmental guy,
• 19:22
  because you expected rise to be there, you know, filling in that
• 19:25
  the backup point guard spot and and you figure Maddox as well,
• 19:29
  if he hadn't had A family situation with rice and Max.
• 19:32
  And there is guards Collins would not be getting minutes
• 19:34
  that he's getting and same for the for Camden as well.
• 19:37
  So it's just kind of situation where the lack of guard depth
• 19:40
  has forced. Younger guys, that are not ready
• 19:42
  for the minutes like rice, excuse me, Collins of Camden, to
• 19:45
  step up into the role so they should not be playing in.
• 19:47
  So Yeah, let me ask this so I'm our official luck ranking.
• 19:54
  What is that right now? It is at I believe three 40th,
• 19:59
  I'll double check to confirm. Okay.
• 20:02
  It's so everyone knows there's three hundred and fifty eight
• 20:05
  teams in the NCAA division. 1 re actually 58 358 this year so our
• 20:15
  keeps going up 340. So like bottom 20 essentially.
• 20:22
  All right. Can you talk a little bit more
• 20:23
  about how that's how they derive that and how that's affected the
• 20:27
  Hokies? Yeah.
• 20:28
  So it's kind of a tricky subject.
• 20:30
  I think there's a lot of I guess, maybe you might say you
• 20:36
  know, frustration between likes the sort of like analytics crowd
• 20:40
  versus you know the the eye test crowd with a metric like luck.
• 20:43
  It's basically just you know how many what percent of your close
• 20:48
  games are you winning? Relative to, you know, all the
• 20:50
  other games. So if you have a really bad
• 20:52
  record in close games, your luck metric is going to be bad.
• 20:55
  If you're very good in close games.
• 20:57
  Generally speaking, your luck is going to be very good Tech, has
• 21:00
  been very unfortunate this year. They are 1 in 5 and Conference
• 21:03
  games decided by five points or less.
• 21:06
  Whereas you'll get a team like pit.
• 21:08
  They are second place in the ACC I think and they are six and one
• 21:11
  in games decided by five points or less.
• 21:13
  So you just look at that differential right there.
• 21:15
  I mean, that's I mean, that's a difference of the standings.
• 21:17
  Like that's, that's all there is to it.
• 21:19
  Um, let me just tell you something Shelton.
• 21:22
  Virginia Tech has a bad luck ranking in all sports.
• 21:28
  If you go back and look at some football games, I look rating is
• 21:32
  at the bottom two, but let's continue.
• 21:35
  Yeah, yeah, I think we could. Yeah, we could go on, hold
• 21:37
  tension about that. But I think, you know, typically
• 21:42
  with it was stats like this, you have to kind of get like a large
• 21:44
  sample size. Like look over multiple years of
• 21:46
  data, Tech was pretty unfortunate with luck Lassie.
• 21:49
  Even until the ACC tournament, we're just, you know, kind of
• 21:51
  that stretch in late February, early March or kind of turned it
• 21:54
  all around. This year's team is not seen
• 21:56
  such a turn around, and I think that could probably be due to
• 21:59
  Personnel probably due to coaching and obviously some luck
• 22:02
  involved as well. So, you know, with, with a stat
• 22:05
  like that, I mean, Kim beom you who created the status said,
• 22:07
  like, it's not a perfect stat. You know, there's no such thing
• 22:10
  as a perfect stat. There's not, there's always
• 22:12
  gonna be some sort of balance of, you know, Personnel,
• 22:15
  coaching decisions, and all that, you know, who you're
• 22:17
  playing matchups, all that stuff, so it Plays into it.
• 22:21
  I would hope that it would improve next year.
• 22:23
  If it does not if we're, if we're 344 next year, then I
• 22:26
  would have some serious reservations then it's will
• 22:28
  reservations about the coaching staff is like you can
• 22:31
  continuously be bad luck without something being on the coaching
• 22:34
  staff there. And, by the way, Sheldon, it's
• 22:37
  not 20%. We're in the bottom eight
• 22:39
  percent of luck, we're literally.
• 22:42
  Yeah, I did the math on that. I mean, it's just brutal to see,
• 22:46
  but like you say, you know, where does he come from?
• 22:49
  Where does, You get to a point where it's not looking.
• 22:50
  Exactly. You are who you are.
• 22:52
  You can't close close games out, you struggle in those situations
• 22:56
  and and that's what we've seen so much this year.
• 22:59
  And I think it's so much. It's not, it's not so much.
• 23:03
  You know, we lose a close game to Miami Valley, set it on here,
• 23:06
  10 days ago, Miami's a good team.
• 23:08
  You lost 1 by 6, okay? It is what it is.
• 23:11
  It's the Georgia Tech's. It's the Boston College's.
• 23:13
  It's struggling with the Notre. Dame, who have the worst?
• 23:16
  I mean I think Sheldon brought up a good point when he said,
• 23:19
  It, he talked about last year's team and it kind of takes us to
• 23:23
  our next Point as well. He talked about, you know, we
• 23:26
  had some contributors last year is stepped up in crunch time.
• 23:31
  And pretty much, you know, want to stay ACC Championship.
• 23:34
  So another point they will ask you showed, what do you, who do
• 23:39
  you think we, you know, we missed the most off of a team
• 23:42
  like last year's team, you know, you had a storm Murphy there.
• 23:45
  You had Kevin Loomer Eileen, who do you Think we missed the most.
• 23:50
  Yeah. So that's actually good.
• 23:51
  A good setup for the next set of had.
• 23:53
  So I think one of the most underrated stats from last
• 23:56
  year's team during the stretch run, where Tech started to win.
• 23:59
  I think they finished 13 and 3, some of that in the last, you
• 24:02
  know, 16, whatever it was during that stretch storm, Murphy
• 24:05
  average, 20 minutes per game. So, if you have a point guard,
• 24:09
  averaging, 20 minutes per game, you know, that does a huge.
• 24:12
  That's, that's you shrimp terms of just, you know, his ability
• 24:14
  to, you know, stay stay fresh. Not be fatigued.
• 24:18
  You had some Padula come off the bench.
• 24:19
  I mean, there are multiple games last year where Sean Padula
• 24:21
  played more minutes and storm Murphy.
• 24:23
  So that kind of one-two punch a point guard, really helped them
• 24:25
  a lot and sure there's just, you know, preserving preserving
• 24:27
  their legs. Whereas you look at this year's
• 24:29
  team, I mean but those playing literally the entire game and
• 24:32
  rice, you know, he's only going to give you a few minutes there.
• 24:35
  He's pretty much put those pretty much the only, you know,
• 24:37
  polish point guard you have. So I think if I were to answer
• 24:41
  your question, I actually think Nikki Malin was an underrated
• 24:45
  Miss, and I say that, like, I owe him an apology because I was
• 24:49
  kind of overlooking how, you know, how much we miss them?
• 24:52
  I obviously didn't anticipate, you know, losing Rodney rice and
• 24:55
  there's Max from a majority of the Season.
• 24:57
  Battalion is a guy that's he's a good Defender.
• 25:00
  He can shoot the three well not as better than a lot of people
• 25:03
  give him credit for, you know, he can he can score little bit,
• 25:07
  he can drive a little bit, he was a guy that just based on
• 25:10
  injury is like you I mean we we love to have a guy like that.
• 25:12
  At and now she's doing Murphy. I think it's just his not that
• 25:15
  he's, you know, as a higher ceiling and Padula but just the
• 25:18
  fact that you played my consistent for multiple years,
• 25:20
  the fact that he was experienced a fifth-year senior and kind of
• 25:23
  just you know, the leadership aspect I think was also was also
• 25:26
  missing from this year's team. You look at Italy know it feels
• 25:30
  like this team is missing that kind of 3 and D type player yet
• 25:33
  on the wing so I can definitely see.
• 25:35
  We're having him on board especially you know, when you
• 25:38
  look at Maddox being out for an extended period of time, you can
• 25:42
  see there's a big hole there so I can definitely see where.
• 25:44
  That would be big. Let's let's pivot a little bit
• 25:48
  because we got we got one game to go with the regular season.
• 25:51
  Then we get in the ACC tournament.
• 25:54
  I don't think anyone's for seeing a big run.
• 25:58
  Like we saw last year out of this team but you know, what do
• 26:02
  you think this team can do in the ACC tournament?
• 26:05
  It's gonna be tough man. It's gonna be tough because
• 26:07
  you're most likely going to be an 11 seed UD matchup against
• 26:11
  the 14, which would be Notre Dame right now in the first
• 26:13
  round matchup, which, you know, I think Tech matched up very
• 26:15
  well against Notre Dame and the Irish have been pretty bad this
• 26:18
  season. That's fine.
• 26:19
  The problem is, if you want to make a Deep Run, you got to win
• 26:21
  five games in five nights and that's just I I cannot see that
• 26:25
  happening at all. So, I mean, maybe they say, I
• 26:27
  mean, there's a shocking. A 2011 Yukon did it, but they
• 26:29
  had Kemba Walker in their team so yeah, I don't know if it's
• 26:32
  the best comparison there. Yeah, it's just the thing is, I
• 26:36
  if you're if you're a glass-half-full type of person,
• 26:39
  there's really no one in this lie.
• 26:40
  That scares me just from, you know, what, we've seen from
• 26:43
  Tech, like they can be, anyone, they can lose to anyone.
• 26:46
  Like I don't look at any team, it's like, oh my God.
• 26:48
  Like if we if we play them, we're screwed.
• 26:50
  Like, no, this is not. It's not, it's not a greatly.
• 26:53
  I think you can beat any team in any given night.
• 26:55
  So from that perspective, I guess if you're an optimist he'd
• 26:57
  say yeah Technica deep. I'm good.
• 26:58
  So good, so good. All the other 14 teams, That's
• 27:02
  true and right now the the game with Florida State on Saturday
• 27:06
  afternoon does hold between the 11th and the 12th.
• 27:09
  So, you know, I think the 12 seeds going to play Georgia
• 27:11
  Tech, who we've already lost two once.
• 27:14
  But who do we play out of it. If, if tech were to win next
• 27:17
  Tuesday, and that's one reason we're not recording next
• 27:20
  Tuesday, folks is because when I looked at the schedule is like,
• 27:24
  will you bring Sheldon when we talk about this?
• 27:26
  Wait a second. No, we don't get a by this year
• 27:28
  because we can't be one of the best 19th in the ACC.
• 27:32
  But where is it looking like Shelton?
• 27:34
  Let's say we land the 11. We get.
• 27:36
  We play Notre Dame in the first. Who are we going to match up
• 27:39
  against going? You know, for worst?
• 27:41
  What's the path? Yeah, so you would match up
• 27:44
  against the six seed, which currently is, let's see.
• 27:48
  One, two, three other the NC State.
• 27:51
  So, I mean look like said, you know, they lost lost in sea
• 27:54
  State without a hunter, Couture a back in January, at home by a
• 27:56
  few points. Yeah.
• 27:57
  Again like I said, you can be anyone on any given night.
• 28:01
  You know, this is a topic that topic for another day but I
• 28:04
  just, I don't think they see he's good at all this year.
• 28:06
  I really don't. I mean, you got five dollars,
• 28:08
  five teams, maybe that'll make the tournament unc's not going
• 28:11
  to make it unless they beat Duke on Saturday.
• 28:14
  Yeah, it's just, it's not a great conference.
• 28:16
  So from that perspective, you know, anything can happen, it's,
• 28:20
  this is a year of turnover in the ACC, after what happened
• 28:22
  last year, when people felt like a couple teams got, shafted not
• 28:26
  getting put in the tournament and then you look and there's
• 28:28
  two in the final four for in the sweet 16.
• 28:32
  And in the bad part was what? Every case, every ACC team won
• 28:36
  the first round except Tech last year, they would seven and one
• 28:39
  in the first round or something like that, which was insane.
• 28:43
  But, you know, I think overall, if we kind of we're putting the
• 28:46
  bow on it, we're 30 minutes in now about where I thought we'd
• 28:49
  be but it seems like it's not just one aspect, it's not
• 28:55
  getting to the free-throw line enough.
• 28:56
  It's being slightly negative in offensive rebounds, it's missing
• 29:00
  players. It's you know to my chagrin.
• 29:03
  It's not layups. I was hoping you'd be like we're
• 29:05
  dead last and layups and I can be like, well, there's a reason
• 29:08
  we don't make short shots. Yeah.
• 29:09
  What? I mean, y'all feel That way
• 29:12
  fellas that it's not like one thing.
• 29:15
  It's just it's all these little things that basically it wasn't
• 29:20
  all five or six at every game. It was always three or four and
• 29:23
  we all thinking run. Yeah.
• 29:26
  I think some of its shown spoken to him but being stretched a
• 29:29
  little bit thinner than I think we anticipated, especially in
• 29:32
  the guard feel there. I think we felt not good about
• 29:38
  the that area of the team coming into the year in terms of depth,
• 29:42
  And then obviously that got significantly worse with the
• 29:44
  rice injury and then, you know, you had Max go down.
• 29:47
  So there's, there's just been some inconsistency with guys
• 29:51
  playing outside there. And, you know, we you combine
• 29:55
  that with a little bit of inconsistency here and there
• 29:58
  again, not getting to the free-throw line, not being able
• 30:00
  to rebound as much as you'd like.
• 30:02
  And I think just the combination of those things is really kind
• 30:04
  of kind of put us behind the eight ball and some games
• 30:06
  especially as we try to close some close ones out.
• 30:12
  Callie has you shake your head? I want to remain optimistic
• 30:18
  about the about the basketball team.
• 30:20
  But one word, man, effort, like, when I watch some games, I
• 30:26
  don't, you know, I love Mi kyung.
• 30:28
  I love what he what, he's brought to the team, but I feel
• 30:34
  like efforts are coaching thing and I just watch them play.
• 30:38
  Sometimes when you talk about those long rebounds, and we
• 30:41
  don't have anybody, Going for more, we don't have anybody you
• 30:45
  know, getting on the floor just you know, fighting for that
• 30:48
  extra possession. It's a effort thing.
• 30:51
  You know, you got to have the coaching style has to has to
• 30:56
  demand that and I feel like that had been there.
• 30:59
  So again, I like my gun. So I'm going to lay off of him
• 31:03
  tonight. I'm going to watch him before
• 31:07
  the ACC last year. He gets it.
• 31:14
  But what are your one or two points
• 31:27
  to say? The reason this team isn't 24
• 31:30
  and 324 and seven or 23 and you know twenty three and eight,
• 31:36
  make it into the NCAA tournament with these is because Just
• 31:40
  because of I think it's a cent to boil down Andrews and defense
• 31:44
  man. I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm
• 31:45
  not big on making excuses but you miss rice for a little bit.
• 31:48
  You miss Couture of a little bit, you miss Max for a little
• 31:50
  bit, you know, those those mrs. Add up and, you know, I don't
• 31:54
  think it's the sole reason. Certainly, not the tech is in
• 31:56
  the position. They're in their defense has
• 31:58
  absolutely falling off a cliff over the past, couple months
• 32:00
  there 100. And what is it 128 in Camp on
• 32:04
  defense? I mean, there's only 70.
• 32:06
  There's only like 70, major Converse.
• 32:07
  Seems like, that's just not, that's not good enough.
• 32:09
  So, Part of that could be, you know, shortage of depth.
• 32:12
  And the guys are getting tired. Mike has never been a great, you
• 32:15
  know, defensive coach. So, you know, you give them a
• 32:17
  little bit of a free pass there, but I just think it's a
• 32:20
  combination of, you know, the events being bad.
• 32:23
  The three-point shooting wasn't there.
• 32:24
  I think the duel is still learning to like, how to be a
• 32:27
  more polished point guard. Like I said, shot selection that
• 32:30
  question. Sometimes leadership, I question
• 32:32
  sometimes I look at a guy like the Doula I just don't see that
• 32:35
  sort of like floor General leadership all the time.
• 32:39
  Kind of what Tally was saying. And you know, Mike is very
• 32:41
  hands-off as a coach from my perception of him.
• 32:43
  Like he's not going to micromanage the offense, you
• 32:47
  have to do stats. He's just gonna go and like guys
• 32:49
  play and they got it. They got to make plays and I
• 32:51
  just don't think we've had enough of that to season.
• 32:52
  So the good news is we're not far off.
• 32:54
  We've lost a lot of close games. This year, we get healthy next
• 32:57
  year get some recruits in we can be rolling but this this this is
• 33:01
  just been sort of like a Murphy's Law type of year where
• 33:03
  everything kind of goes wrong and the only player not coming
• 33:07
  back. Next year is Justin A mutt,
• 33:10
  correct, correct. Assuming that the only player
• 33:13
  cannot come back. Cannot come back.
• 33:15
  Yes, cannot awesome. All right, well, let's flip
• 33:18
  over, let's talk real quick about the women's Hoops team,
• 33:21
  who will play tomorrow evening down in Greensboro for the ACC
• 33:26
  women's tournament and over the last couple weeks, you know,
• 33:28
  some really great moments. And I mean, I got to see the
• 33:31
  kitley dagger down at UNC, where they had not played a good game
• 33:37
  and she comes off that for some reason and I'm still Trying to
• 33:40
  figure this out, watching that defensive set kill.
• 33:43
  He's one of the probably the obviously the best player in the
• 33:46
  ACC will talk about the most one of the best players in the
• 33:48
  country. How do you come off of her?
• 33:52
  In that situation? It's just like because the girl
• 33:54
  like she's looking at it and she looks left.
• 33:57
  And Kinley comes around, makes explain.
• 34:00
  That didn't make any sense. I mean, I wasn't in the Huddle
• 34:04
  man looking for They look like they miss me a kitten on some
• 34:09
  sort of switch. I don't know why you wouldn't,
• 34:12
  you know have all eyes locked on here.
• 34:14
  It's just yeah, I don't know. I mean they went to the player
• 34:17
  who's coming to the three top of the three-point line them and
• 34:20
  kind of left her there open. I just they forgot off the best
• 34:23
  player in the ACC. Whatever's gonna happen when you
• 34:26
  have multiple multiple threats on the floor and you got Georgia
• 34:31
  there, you got kitley, I mean they've got a good solid team
• 34:35
  you know, they've got G is the best.
• 34:37
  Today, CeeCee of course she wasn't the one no war, but you
• 34:40
  got other all-acc players on that team as well.
• 34:43
  So many fucks you up, you know, you can't, you can't Zone in on
• 34:49
  one person, but it looked like a miscommunication, like Sheldon,
• 34:52
  say it. I mean, you kind of seen the
• 34:54
  players. Look at each other, like, what
• 34:55
  were you doing? What were you doing?
• 34:57
  So yeah, I think it was just a miscommunication on the switch.
• 35:01
  That's why. Yes, and Kelly went out there
• 35:03
  and she took over the all-time points record as well.
• 35:07
  Well, in that game. So that was a, it was a big game
• 35:10
  all around and then they turned around and close it out in that
• 35:13
  trap game against Georgia Tech. And that took them to the best
• 35:19
  finish for the Hokies women's basketball history.
• 35:21
  That's bunch of big moments kind of happened in the last week.
• 35:24
  For that women's day. I think this team is really
• 35:27
  peaking at the right time, you know, they had some I wouldn't
• 35:30
  say struggles but, Some ups and downs relative to their
• 35:33
  potential. I think we all knew what the
• 35:34
  potential of this team was coming to the season but they've
• 35:38
  really started clicking. You can tell Georgia a Moore's
• 35:40
  playing a lot better. She's Distributing a lot better.
• 35:42
  She's, you know, she she had a stretch where she couldn't miss
• 35:44
  from three kill. He's, you know, obviously done a
• 35:48
  great job. You've got Bo been support from
• 35:50
  Asia. Greg, Taylor Guymon who
• 35:52
  historically has been kind of like a sort of back-end guard is
• 35:57
  double some entries this year, but she's confident.
• 35:58
  She's done a pretty nice job in her role.
• 36:00
  So, I mean, Then click and you got, you got death you got to
• 36:03
  start down at the top. This team is really linked to
• 36:05
  their full potential. You have you until you already
• 36:08
  mentioned Georgia was first team kitley player of the year first
• 36:11
  team and then take a look at the grad transfer with Taylor's
• 36:14
  tool. If Shelton you said it a few
• 36:17
  weeks ago, tally you said it last week and it's clearly
• 36:19
  there, they got some really good players out of the portal that
• 36:22
  has really complemented the top two players.
• 36:26
  And, you know, right now I've I looked this up today on In.
• 36:33
  They are a number two, projected seed.
• 36:35
  We got away from us, are with you all the other day, the South
• 36:38
  Carolina bracket and we have been moved to the Indiana
• 36:42
  bracket. You said it a few weeks ago,
• 36:44
  Sheldon you thought this is an elite 18.
• 36:47
  If we stay in the, we stay at the Indiana bracket, dare you
• 36:52
  say, could they take the step and go?
• 36:55
  He definitely could. Now that being said India is
• 36:57
  very, very good. Like they are.
• 36:59
  If you, I mean, if you look at someone like the, you know, the
• 37:01
  Metrics like they're absolutely top three team in the country.
• 37:04
  I think Tech is more like, you know, top top eight top nine
• 37:06
  somewhere in there. But yeah, it getting out of the
• 37:09
  South Carolina bracket I will say is huge because they are by
• 37:12
  far. Like they are they are better
• 37:14
  than your if you're not a huge one, is about 12 in like they're
• 37:17
  better than Georgian football. Yes, sir.
• 37:19
  Like there. I mean it's 27 and know,
• 37:21
  whatever. They like every game they win by
• 37:22
  30 points. It's just, it's ridiculous.
• 37:24
  So you want to you deftly want to avoid them at all costs.
• 37:26
  As not see them until as late as possible in the tournament.
• 37:30
  Yep. And for the ladies again it is
• 37:32
  do you're going to be playing the winner of the Boston
• 37:34
  College. Miami game.
• 37:37
  That game I believe is actually might be wrapped up already.
• 37:41
  So we may know who the winner is to make an effort that while I'm
• 37:46
  at for Dean efforting efforting. But either way, it's been a
• 37:51
  great season. Clearly, they will.
• 37:53
  I don't, I think even a screw up tomorrow night.
• 37:56
  They're still going to be hosting a regional in
• 37:59
  Blacksburg. We discussed it.
• 38:02
  God, just don't let some seem shoots out of their minds from
• 38:06
  three-point range in that time frame, because that's the only
• 38:11
  thing that stopped at last year. So, has that game ended the
• 38:15
  Boston College. Miami game, Austin College.
• 38:17
  Miami. That's still going on about five
• 38:19
  minutes left. Yep.
• 38:20
  Miami's up 71-62. Okay, well, we'll get some
• 38:26
  chalk. Yeah, it looks like Miami
• 38:29
  should, hold on. But so again, that's going to be
• 38:31
  tomorrow night on the Acca Network 8:00, I'll definitely
• 38:36
  try to catch it. Yeah, you know, it's bedtime
• 38:38
  here. Tyler knows.
• 38:39
  Tally text me like, hey, can we jump all real quick?
• 38:41
  Dude it bedtime in this house for the kids.
• 38:43
  I'm in a war right now. So yeah so you know looking for
• 38:48
  look at y'all chuckling right and you know it Ryan you've been
• 38:52
  there. Yeah.
• 38:53
  I just got the one though. You got 13.
• 38:56
  So what we're going to do now, y'all gelatin.
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  Appreciate all the insides, all the stuff you're not leaving
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  because we want your opinions on some of this football stuff,
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  All right, Sheldon had to step out for just a second.
• 39:40
  He'll be back in just a moment. But last Tuesday, afternoon
• 39:45
  myself mr. Siegel and Sally got the
• 39:49
  shoot-down. Got the sit down about 30
• 39:53
  minutes with Virginia Tech wide. Receiver coach fontelle Minds,
• 39:58
  it was awesome. He Also he celebrated a birthday
• 40:01
  coach, happy birthday. Again this week Prime, let's
• 40:04
  press the tape and let's show the boundary Corner listeners
• 40:08
  what coach mines had a say about.
• 40:09
  Some of the things we asked them, pay attention, boundary
• 40:12
  Corner podcast listeners. Tonight we have a very special
• 40:17
  interview here with Jonathan. Talley here with Brian siglo
• 40:21
  boys, we got in the green room right now.
• 40:24
  Coach fontelle Minds, let's go ahead.
• 40:26
  Let's get him in here because we've got some questions to ask
• 40:29
  this man. An Brothers was happening as
• 40:32
  everybody doing because I'm wonderful man.
• 40:36
  Wonderful enjoying myself? We are doing great here.
• 40:40
  Me and Brian in the RV. 8, a lie down in Alabama today, and man,
• 40:44
  we got some questions to ask. You, how's everything doing?
• 40:48
  Y'all been good, busy busy. We spend the weekend in
• 40:53
  Charlotte for a coaches Clinic. I had the family come up with
• 40:56
  me, my wife and my son and we enjoy Charlotte for a couple
• 40:59
  days. Days and we'll be in Richmond.
• 41:01
  This weekend will be a northern Virginia's weekend talking some
• 41:04
  ball man you know building those relationships been around some
• 41:07
  High School coaches. So super excited and I love the
• 41:11
  offseason and shoot you know Spring ball is right around the
• 41:13
  corner. It is man.
• 41:17
  Yeah, so you're heading to the stomping grounds as weekend.
• 41:19
  Ransom for baby. There we go.
• 41:22
  There we go. All right, let's talk about this
• 41:24
  first. You've had a bunch of stopped.
• 41:26
  Since you started your coaching career at your alma mater.
• 41:29
  Hermitage high school with here in the r-va.
• 41:31
  You also happen to be a notable football, alumnus of the
• 41:35
  University of Virginia. Yeah, what did you think?
• 41:38
  When you got the call that the Hokies wanted you to come on
• 41:40
  board as wide receivers coach? Man, it was a just the way it
• 41:45
  all kind of happened. Man was kind of surreal to be
• 41:47
  honest with you. I had some connections here on
• 41:50
  this staff will Coach Bowen just from working at Old Dominion and
• 41:55
  I'm a coach pry on a Sunday at the Coaches convention.
• 41:59
  No, I'm sorry. Madam on a Monday night at the
• 42:01
  Coaches convention, him and James Franklin were together and
• 42:05
  we got a chance to exchange conversation and he asked me,
• 42:08
  would I be interested in interviewing for the job that
• 42:10
  next day did? Have any my material and have a
• 42:15
  superfood. You know, it was it was probably
• 42:18
  about eight nine o'clock that night and you know, so me I just
• 42:21
  kind of get my stuff together and start preparing myself and
• 42:24
  it was it was awesome though man.
• 42:26
  Just really grown up in Richmond.
• 42:30
  The two Flagship schools. Have always been right?
• 42:32
  Virginia Virginia Tech it was it was either you went to Virginia.
• 42:35
  You went to Virginia Tech store for me.
• 42:39
  It hit home because you know, my best friend graduated from,
• 42:42
  Virginia Tech Duane. Brown and we were recruited
• 42:44
  together. We grew up together.
• 42:46
  He was my wedding to one of my closest friends and he was the
• 42:50
  first one I called and I would really just curious and his
• 42:53
  reaction. And you talk about somebody
• 42:56
  excited, man. It was a, it was a great moment
• 42:59
  and it was, it was a little different, you know, I'll be the
• 43:02
  first to tell you was a little different but it's one of those
• 43:04
  things where professionally a no-brainer.
• 43:07
  Yeah, it's great to hear Duane because you had a lot of, guys,
• 43:10
  you played with you at hermit is you went to Tech in went to UVA
• 43:14
  back in the early 2000s, but I'm going to ask this, it's just a
• 43:17
  little fun. How much grief did you catch
• 43:19
  from your former UVA teammates? I mean, when they when they saw
• 43:23
  it on Twitter, like waving the cartels, going to take the
• 43:26
  coach, you know what, not too bad, it was probably more.
• 43:30
  So some Twitter people kind of kind of came at me so weird, it
• 43:36
  was on fire in Charlottesville but I have a lot of The
• 43:43
  teammates and the coaching Circle and they kind of
• 43:45
  understand the nature of this business and the opportunity to
• 43:48
  have for professional advancement and you know, an
• 43:52
  opportunity to take take care of my family and provide for my son
• 43:55
  and know that was number one thing for me and then really an
• 43:58
  opportunity to stay in the Commonwealth.
• 43:59
  I mean, you talk about Virginia and you know what this place
• 44:03
  means to me with their state means to me and you know, it's
• 44:06
  the world man. So it was something I couldn't
• 44:08
  pass up. You have so coach, we know that,
• 44:12
  you know, over A 13-year career, you've had, you know, some
• 44:15
  stocks all around a minute Mid-Atlantic.
• 44:19
  What is East Carolina? J, mu Richmond, Old Dominion.
• 44:23
  We probably go on and on, but what you, what?
• 44:27
  You been at Tech now, you know, how has that helped you jump?
• 44:31
  Right? Into your day-to-day job and,
• 44:33
  you know recruiting, Because we know like Virginia recruiting
• 44:36
  us. Turn up a little bit.
• 44:38
  Yeah, it for me. It was a seamless transition.
• 44:41
  You talk about James? Addison talk about University of
• 44:45
  Richmond, you talk about East Carolina and old to mean, I was
• 44:50
  responsible for recruiting the Richmond area.
• 44:53
  I was responsible for recruiting the Virginia Beach, 757 area.
• 44:57
  So I've known all those coaches for the past 15 years.
• 45:02
  I've known some of those coaches since I was a player you know
• 45:05
  you walk into those schools and some of those guys have an
• 45:08
  opportunity, remember coaching against me or I walk into her.
• 45:11
  Meat is high school and And I'm having conversations with a
• 45:14
  guys, my former teammate. So, for me mad, it made all the
• 45:19
  sense in the world. I was already recruited a lot of
• 45:21
  those guys. Some, I couldn't get Now.
• 45:24
  Give me an opportunity to really give them an opportunity to come
• 45:27
  play for me, you know, to Chi heat comes to mind.
• 45:31
  I probably have been working this kid for two years Braylon
• 45:34
  Johnson. I probably been talking this guy
• 45:36
  for the last two years. Cam Fleming I played AAU
• 45:40
  basketball with a woman's uncle. You know, just those connections
• 45:45
  give kids a sense of Peace, the kids, the parents.
• 45:49
  So it was good man it's been awesome for me and I absolutely
• 45:53
  love hearing that number. I'm going to Pivot a little bit
• 45:55
  away from that because Callie mentioned the day-to-day work
• 45:59
  and right now y'all are right. Smack dab in the middle of
• 46:01
  winter workouts and we've seen you post Tucker.
• 46:04
  Holloway Benji Gosnell, Jalen Lane stepping up.
• 46:10
  But what is the primary focus for you?
• 46:13
  You during this time period for evaluating your guys during
• 46:16
  those workouts and especially with bringing three new guys,
• 46:19
  into the fold competition, mental toughness details.
• 46:24
  Those are the top three for me and then dependability, I mean
• 46:28
  your eyes and guys, to wake up at 5:00 in the morning to be
• 46:32
  dressed and ready in the, on the field at 6:00 6:00 ready to work
• 46:36
  for an hour, and then go to class, you know, not show up on
• 46:40
  any list, go to weights. So it's giving me Opportunity.
• 46:43
  If I can't count on you outside of football, the guys are being
• 46:46
  late to class or missing class is no way in the world.
• 46:49
  I'm going to be able to count on your own third mate, the run the
• 46:52
  right route. And it's also given the
• 46:54
  transfers an opportunity to really engulf themselves.
• 46:58
  And our environment right now, culture, and to really establish
• 47:02
  themselves or who they are and learn to play books on the
• 47:04
  Playbook, learn their teammates. So this to me is really the most
• 47:08
  important time for our team. But competitions, you know, that
• 47:12
  that's the Then so long at the top without it without a
• 47:15
  question. Definitely.
• 47:17
  So, I'm glad you mentioned mentioned transfers that coach
• 47:21
  because, you know, us as fans, man, we look at things that we
• 47:24
  see things totally different light than you guys do, but
• 47:29
  coming off of a 3 and 8 season. What does coach Minds do?
• 47:33
  He goes into the portal? He pulls out three top, 25
• 47:37
  transfers to flip that room. Can you talk to us a little bit
• 47:42
  about How you were able to, you know, identify what you were
• 47:46
  looking for and how you went into recruiting that room, which
• 47:49
  such a quick turnaround after the season going into spring.
• 47:52
  Yeah. The first thing that I wanted
• 47:57
  while targeting some transfers and even high school kids was, I
• 48:00
  wanted guys that will come in right away day one and compete
• 48:05
  the start. I don't want to get anybody to
• 48:08
  be a deaf guy. I didn't want to recruit anybody
• 48:11
  to be a special teams guy. I wanted to bring in guys to
• 48:14
  raise the level of competition in that room because that's when
• 48:18
  bring the best out of all of us myself, the returning guys and
• 48:22
  it says no ego in this like that, that comes the business
• 48:27
  part of this and they are all different, right?
• 48:29
  They all have a different unique, skillset.
• 48:31
  I've known are leave since I leave was 67 years old.
• 48:35
  I have a great relationship with him.
• 48:37
  I remember him coming to camps that we had back in Richmond.
• 48:41
  I went to school with his brother.
• 48:43
  They're obviously I was at Old Dominion with them for a year
• 48:47
  and you talk about a guy that's proven, I mean all three of
• 48:49
  their proven, they played a lot of football, it had a lot of
• 48:52
  production right? That's hard to pass up.
• 48:56
  Two of them are Virginia guys right from for my printout area
• 49:00
  Richmond and the 757 you talk about Daquan Feldon immediately.
• 49:06
  He brings a level of attitude mindset and mentality.
• 49:11
  The time, baby. Like, you know, you know what
• 49:14
  time it is? It like he's different like he
• 49:17
  doesn't Flinch and he talked about Jaden Lane who's who's my
• 49:23
  Silent Assassin? He just comes to work every
• 49:25
  single day. He competes his butt off and
• 49:28
  he's a punt, returner, he's a kick returner, he plays in a
• 49:31
  slide, he plays on the outside. So immediately, you know,
• 49:35
  everyone changes the Dynamics of that room changed, you don't
• 49:38
  have to depend on the true freshman.
• 49:40
  A guy that might have to be ready to play, right?
• 49:43
  Now you can kind of give to give guys time to develop so I'm
• 49:47
  excited man, we were able to get those and I just me man, just a
• 49:50
  group effort, code phone, you know, code Rudolph coach Glenn,
• 49:54
  like all those guys played a big part in that, you know, but the
• 49:56
  relationship piece and I'm relationship built, man,
• 49:59
  relationship piece. It meant a lot, man.
• 50:02
  I had an opportunity to see those guys, you know, Quantum on
• 50:05
  his own turf. I recruited Jalen Lane.
• 50:07
  When I was at East Carolina, you know.
• 50:09
  So I've known him. You talk about coachable
• 50:12
  Michaela. And as a high school coach, I
• 50:14
  mean the kid comes in right away, picks up the offense, he
• 50:17
  knows what he's doing. And, you know, he just works
• 50:20
  every single day so that's kind of what it is for that.
• 50:23
  Now, that was my thought process, seems like from a skill
• 50:26
  set point of view. They have a lot of complementary
• 50:28
  skills in that, they each kind of do different things really
• 50:31
  well. And I think that's yeah.
• 50:33
  Going to be great to build on for the season, for sure.
• 50:36
  But let me ask this, we're talking offseason.
• 50:38
  You got spring practice starting here in a few weeks in Year One.
• 50:43
  The big Focus for the team was winning every rep, that
• 50:46
  competition, right? And you've already spoken on
• 50:49
  that a little bit. Well, that hasn't changed for
• 50:51
  year to what is one area of focus that you guys have kind of
• 50:55
  circled for the spring that may not have been there.
• 50:58
  Last year may have been a lower priority last year.
• 51:01
  I know it was there and it's an has been a priority but you can
• 51:06
  never focus enough on the details if the routes for yards
• 51:11
  running for yards, if it's six steps.
• 51:13
  Running six steps. If you supposed to convert
• 51:15
  versus coverage, when needs to convert, we need our receivers
• 51:19
  to be where they're supposed to be at, right?
• 51:20
  Make the plays. Make the routine plays, I will
• 51:23
  sent make the layups right got an access road to the field and
• 51:27
  the quarterback throws it to you on time.
• 51:30
  Make the layup, right? That's that's where I was on
• 51:32
  there for us. So, like I'm putting the
• 51:34
  pressure on those guys for Perfection, right?
• 51:39
  I'm asking for protection, understanding and Owen right?
• 51:44
  What I'm going to get is a product of competition and guys
• 51:48
  that were better than we were this last spring.
• 51:51
  That's the only goal, right? The put guys on that field.
• 51:54
  That's going to be better than we were last year and that's no,
• 51:57
  not to anybody that played last year, but if I'm not, recruiting
• 52:01
  guys are recruiting Talent that's going to come in and play
• 52:03
  it, and I'm not doing my job. Then I love hearing that that
• 52:07
  you talk about the details and like make the layups because
• 52:11
  there's so many times in this game.
• 52:12
  Where there's a layup. Play you make that?
• 52:15
  Yeah, it's only five yards now, it's second and five.
• 52:18
  No doubt, makes everything easier.
• 52:19
  It makes everything easier, right, but we talk about it
• 52:22
  every week, right? Curtis.
• 52:25
  If you making the layups in football, then eventually that
• 52:30
  teams going to guard the layups harder in the, the harder stuff
• 52:33
  is going to become easier because they focus on the easy
• 52:35
  stuff. All right, let me put this pivot
• 52:38
  to this and not only for you to kind of Staff in general.
• 52:42
  What? Some of the lessons learned from
• 52:44
  year. One.
• 52:45
  And how are y'all approaching that going into year two?
• 52:48
  When you get the opportunity to learn your personnel, along your
• 52:52
  players, to be honest with you, like I didn't really get a great
• 52:57
  feel for who they were until week four to five.
• 53:00
  I mean yes. We're with them all off season
• 53:03
  in the winter. Yes, we were them in the spring.
• 53:06
  Reward him in the summer, but you don't really know, truly
• 53:09
  know him into those bullets. Start flying and Lane stadium in
• 53:12
  front. The $65 heavy.
• 53:14
  Like that's when you get a good vibe for, I, this is who this
• 53:17
  kid is, right? This is our strength.
• 53:20
  This is our weakness. Let's play this, right?
• 53:22
  This this formation or this concept has been successful or
• 53:27
  he runs this route better versus this coverage.
• 53:30
  So it gave us an opportunity to get a good feel for a guys and,
• 53:34
  you know, try to gain some momentum down the stretch.
• 53:36
  And, you know, we were competitive in a lot of games.
• 53:38
  I think we lost four games by 11 points, man.
• 53:41
  So you just talked about the Since that are you can make it
• 53:46
  could be tremendous. Yep, definitely coach.
• 53:49
  When you talk about the loser. Doesn't you know like you said
• 53:52
  losing a couple of games by a couple of points.
• 53:55
  You know that as fans it's heartbreaking, you know, we you
• 53:58
  know we get beat up a little bit but not as much.
• 54:01
  Yeah, I told off a little bit not as much as you know probably
• 54:03
  you guys do but learning how to win.
• 54:06
  Definitely was a theme in that in that year won both you know
• 54:11
  for the staff and the players Hers.
• 54:13
  Do you feel like, you know, everything started to come
• 54:17
  together? All those elements came
• 54:19
  together? You know, at the end of the
• 54:21
  season, that that Liberty game, I do feel like that.
• 54:24
  I feel like we hit our stride. I feel like the kids were bought
• 54:28
  in. They were born into the
• 54:29
  gameplay, never bought into what we wanted to do and it was never
• 54:33
  a moment where we showed up on a Sunday and those guys won't
• 54:36
  ready to work. So I give a lot of credit to
• 54:38
  them and they didn't fold, there was no issues in the locker
• 54:41
  room. Talk about culture and you talk
• 54:44
  about something to build off of like that's what we're going to
• 54:46
  build off. What we had, we were able to run
• 54:49
  the ball to win the game and to seal the game and the finish the
• 54:53
  game guys made plays down the stretch right that's maturity
• 54:56
  that's world and that's a lot for us to build on and I'm going
• 54:59
  to roll over some really talented Liberty thing,
• 55:01
  definitely, we had talked about that a lot when we were looking
• 55:04
  at it and that kind of that winning time sequence, it felt
• 55:07
  like offense defense, special teams.
• 55:10
  They kind of made the plays that you need to make the close that
• 55:13
  thing out where is few games earlier in the year.
• 55:15
  You know, one element was not there in the closeout, maybe
• 55:19
  another here and there, and another game, but in that game,
• 55:21
  it felt like all the pieces kind of came together for you lady
• 55:25
  complete gangaajal do right, man?
• 55:26
  It takes all three phases and I'll tell you, for me, on that
• 55:29
  game. It was the last series where
• 55:32
  offense or defense, stopped them offense, drove the field,
• 55:35
  scored. They come back defense.
• 55:38
  Stops them again. And then you guys on offense,
• 55:40
  your guys blocking on the outside.
• 55:41
  Making catches, it's like, They're not getting this ball
• 55:44
  back. Yeah, ends right here, know that
• 55:46
  and, you know, knelt it down, it's like over.
• 55:48
  And as a fan, it made us feel great.
• 55:51
  Because you, like tally said, we saw it.
• 55:53
  It was like where that first down, we hadn't got that a
• 55:57
  couple games and it breaks our heart, we know it hurts you all
• 56:00
  but it's like we got the first down.
• 56:02
  Yeah we kept pushing it, love it but I know you got some.
• 56:04
  You want to ask him? Yeah I'm let's talk a little bit
• 56:06
  about recruiting Focus. We know in year one the big
• 56:10
  Mantra was repairing those Oops, in the state of Virginia, in the
• 56:14
  footprint, how did the relationships and Rapport that
• 56:18
  you had from your previous stops?
• 56:20
  Help you on that front? Yes, trust man is trust, is guys
• 56:26
  understand who I am, as a person who I am as a coach believing
• 56:30
  in. You know, my coaching philosophy
• 56:32
  and also believe in encode prize philosophy.
• 56:34
  And I think a lot of guys initially when they get hired
• 56:39
  but see a lot of things but they won't do and Coach Pride, you
• 56:42
  know, he stood. That he stood on the table with
• 56:44
  that, we're going to recruit this state.
• 56:46
  He said it, he meant it and we did and we found ways to foster
• 56:51
  those relationships. Whether it was, you know, these
• 56:53
  clinics that we're going to do getting on these guys Turf guard
• 56:58
  down, spending time with them, talking about eating, good food
• 57:01
  and just relaxing. And I think that means a lot to
• 57:04
  those guys and, you know, taking that opportunity to do that and
• 57:07
  recruit those schools, right? You talk about a spool like
• 57:11
  Holly Springs, they're going I have prospects every single
• 57:14
  year. You talk about Herman is you
• 57:16
  talk about you. Go to guys in Northern Virginia
• 57:18
  freedom and there's all these talented talented prospects in
• 57:23
  this state, right? That could be overlooked because
• 57:27
  it may look great in another state par and Texas and Florida
• 57:30
  and you can go get. And I'm not saying you can't go
• 57:33
  get guys from those places, right?
• 57:35
  But if you start, you start in the state right now.
• 57:38
  I guarantee you you can find guy's talented enough and
• 57:42
  willing Enough to win you a lot of games when it's all said and
• 57:45
  done and then you build on those relationships.
• 57:47
  So when that four and five-star Prospect comes out, right, he's
• 57:51
  got a teammate already in Blacksburg, right?
• 57:53
  He's already seen me a couple times in the school.
• 57:55
  The coach already knows what he's going to get from us.
• 57:58
  And that's really what it's about, man.
• 58:00
  It's been, it's being honest is being us as being genuine and
• 58:04
  giving those guys an opportunity to trust us.
• 58:06
  And that's all that coach prize Direction, man.
• 58:08
  What you see is what you get by is no fluff is no recruiting
• 58:12
  pitch. Each not us out here selling
• 58:14
  dreams as out here, just being rude.
• 58:18
  And that's, I mean, that's as a fan, that's refreshing, man.
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  I guess we, we definitely are welcoming that, you know, even
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  feeling that I'm always down here in Alabama and I'm feeling
• 58:29
  it, I'm, I'm hopping up and down.
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  You know what I'm saying? To see you guys out there, but
• 58:35
  from what I'm hearing now, you can tell me if I'm wrong.
• 58:39
  They're telling me. When you come to Virginia, you
• 58:41
  got to check in with Coach minds.
• 58:46
  They said that he is running. Thanks Dad.
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  Yeah. But you know, kind of the
• 58:50
  question that I have for you is people know.
• 58:53
  You are Virginia guy, they know you, you know, you went to UVA,
• 58:57
  you've been around for a while. How much did the staff lean on
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  you? Lean on your relationships?
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  Did you have any guys that kind of came to me?
• 59:05
  And was like, hey coach, you know, I'm going to I'm going to
• 59:09
  Hermitage today. What?
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  We'll what do I need to? Is there certain person?
• 59:12
  I need to see, you know if you have anybody to lean on you,
• 59:15
  absolutely man in each. Pocket of the state is a little
• 59:19
  bit different, right? Recruiting Richmond is
• 59:22
  completely different in recruiting 757, right?
• 59:25
  You may have to go to three people in the 757 before you
• 59:27
  actually get to the kid, but that's just kind of how it is.
• 59:31
  And that's the name of the business man.
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  But like, the, the the relationships they did Lean on
• 59:36
  Me, you know, we have some guys as off the field as from
• 59:40
  Virginia, but when you just talked about, hey man I'm going
• 59:43
  to this school. Here's what you need to talk to
• 59:45
  or I'm going to this area here. So I need to talk to.
• 59:48
  Here's what you need to stay, right?
• 59:50
  These are the six holes you need to hit this day.
• 59:52
  All right, or taking another notch.
• 59:55
  You're watching the highlight tape.
• 59:56
  This is the brand of football that these guys play, right?
• 1:00:00
  This is how coachable these guys have historically been.
• 1:00:05
  You just look at our recruiting class why?
• 1:00:07
  I think we had guy that total class it was 19 state
• 1:00:11
  championships right? In that one class you talk about
• 1:00:15
  recruiting winners guys that have been well.
• 1:00:17
  Coach guys, that come here and it's going to piss them off to
• 1:00:20
  lose, right? And that's the kind of attitude
• 1:00:23
  that we need while of that, right there.
• 1:00:25
  That's, that's, that's the mentality, man.
• 1:00:27
  You talk about the state championships, the guys you're
• 1:00:30
  bringing in their winners and like you said, they don't want
• 1:00:33
  to lose. So I'm sure you've got some of
• 1:00:35
  them already joining you on campus that have already brought
• 1:00:38
  that to the table during The Hunger Games and seeing some of
• 1:00:41
  the workouts where it's like, I'm not losing this rep.
• 1:00:43
  No, don't lose these reps. I've won all these reps since
• 1:00:46
  I've been a freshman in high school.
• 1:00:49
  Let me put just a little bit of fun here.
• 1:00:51
  So if the Hokey tailgate comes back to the RV, a this year,
• 1:00:56
  comes to Hardy would part just about five minutes from my house
• 1:01:00
  here. It's not until Minds can find
• 1:01:02
  out my eyes. Make an appearance there, hold
• 1:01:04
  on. What's the date?
• 1:01:06
  Well, last year was in July, that's possible.
• 1:01:09
  Okay. All right, if you want and I'll
• 1:01:14
  do my best. We understand, but if we see
• 1:01:23
  you, we are coming up and we are going to talk with you a little
• 1:01:25
  bit more than a man. Let's do it, man.
• 1:01:28
  You got one more form, right? Yep.
• 1:01:30
  So fun tell, you know, we know man, we know you got a birthday
• 1:01:33
  coming up. You might try to hide it from
• 1:01:35
  everybody else, but I do we know.
• 1:01:38
  We know when the birthday is for everybody, who don't know, we
• 1:01:41
  got February 26th, I'm not gonna call his age out, I'm gonna let
• 1:01:45
  him do that. But, you know, the question I
• 1:01:50
  have for you, is as a coach, what would be the best gift?
• 1:01:54
  You can get on your birthday? From a coaching perspective for
• 1:01:59
  from a coaching perspective, having a follower weekend,
• 1:02:24
  There we go. I appreciate you taking the time
• 1:02:31
  to join us and talk with us today and yes, if y'all are
• 1:02:34
  wondering my head turn to the right.
• 1:02:36
  My six-year-old, son opened the door and said, Daddy can you
• 1:02:38
  come do this for me? I'm like, all right now,
• 1:02:58
  I appreciate you guys. Absolutely appreciate the
• 1:03:00
  support. Anytime anything you need from
• 1:03:05
  getting it done. We appreciate you.
• 1:03:08
  Thanks. And that was coach fontelle.
• 1:03:11
  Mine's a joined us last Tuesday. First of all, Brian tally.
• 1:03:15
  It was a blast to talk to that man.
• 1:03:17
  In general, it just felt he was relaxed.
• 1:03:19
  It was natural. I feel like Brian if he does
• 1:03:23
  make it too hard he would we will probably be 20 30 minutes
• 1:03:26
  with him on the patio out there, drinking drinking either and
• 1:03:34
  shooting the breeze with him. I mean, you gotta love that
• 1:03:37
  about him in general. Yeah, you do.
• 1:03:39
  If we see, you know how he has success on the trail very
• 1:03:43
  relaxed, somebody definitely want to have a conversation with
• 1:03:47
  just kind of sit down and shoot the breeze.
• 1:03:50
  So I mean that aspect you can definitely see why he's a he's a
• 1:03:53
  successful successful man and just successful coach.
• 1:03:56
  Yeah he can't Ally p-town. He Town yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Even right away. Baby already.
• 1:04:04
  So let me ask you this guy's and y'all chime in whoever wants to
• 1:04:07
  come in first. How do y'all His how, what is
• 1:04:12
  his impact? Mental net wide receiver room.
• 1:04:16
  I'll take a lead on this one. I mean, I'm looking at it.
• 1:04:20
  The thing that we see obviously is, you know, you get a big
• 1:04:25
  impact from a recruiting standpoint.
• 1:04:28
  Notch it up a little bit on the trail in the state of Virginia,
• 1:04:31
  especially in Richmond area. But you're also seeing bringing
• 1:04:35
  in three top 20, top of the league transfer portal players
• 1:04:41
  from the wide receivers perspective, to kind of bolster
• 1:04:43
  that room. But the The thing that kind of
• 1:04:46
  impressed me, and this is actually something that came out
• 1:04:50
  during the pride of you on text sideline talking about Christian
• 1:04:56
  moss and kind of how he's kind of redoubled his efforts in
• 1:05:02
  trying to get playing time and really kind of digging in to be
• 1:05:08
  a contributor in that wide receiver room.
• 1:05:09
  Because I think a lot of folks saw him is like a potential
• 1:05:12
  transfer portal player after The way the season wrapped up and
• 1:05:17
  you know, with the guys that we brought in, but now he's, it
• 1:05:20
  sounds like he's kind of changed the culture in that room in
• 1:05:22
  terms of guys, competing for spots competing for time,
• 1:05:26
  competing for rep. So that's I think that's that.
• 1:05:28
  That's a big impact as well. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:05:32
  I'm you know I listen to him when he was talking about the he
• 1:05:37
  would've wanted to bring people in to compete right away.
• 1:05:41
  He didn't want to bring depth guys in so people who are
• 1:05:44
  already there. If the coach is telling us that,
• 1:05:47
  I'm sure he's telling them that. So, sometimes football players,
• 1:05:51
  you getting your feelings. I'm bringing people in here to
• 1:05:53
  compete with playing town and prior kind of, you know, came
• 1:05:57
  out and said, you know, we didn't know what we were going
• 1:05:59
  to get out of Out of Christian, he's been kind of pretty much
• 1:06:02
  underwhelming but he came in the office and said, hey, this is
• 1:06:06
  what I want to do and it's what he's been living up to.
• 1:06:09
  So I think that that mindset, that that fontelle has brought
• 1:06:13
  to that room is just been a hard nose, you know, let's grind.
• 1:06:19
  So I'm excited to see what happens with that.
• 1:06:23
  With that wide receiver room. I think it'll be one of our
• 1:06:25
  deepest and most talented room positions this So he put on a
• 1:06:31
  clinic in had a flipper room in one offseason.
• 1:06:34
  Yeah, we did it. Yeah, he did impressively.
• 1:06:39
  Well, that's you shall know. I mean, have you had any?
• 1:06:40
  I don't know if you've had any interactions with Coach mine
• 1:06:42
  since you've been up there. You didn't get to join us on the
• 1:06:44
  interview or anything. No, I mean, you know, I've kind
• 1:06:48
  of seen him at PK sometimes. That's my only actions.
• 1:06:52
  But even then, he's like, I mean, he's the life of the party
• 1:06:54
  man. He's always lived over there.
• 1:06:55
  Run talking everyone. He's just like, sometimes you
• 1:06:58
  can you see a guy? You see a cauchy He just tell
• 1:07:00
  like he's like he gets it. Like, he's a good, he's a good
• 1:07:03
  recruiter, he's a good relationships guy.
• 1:07:05
  He relates well to a lot of different players and I think
• 1:07:07
  was pretty impressive that he got a lead Jennings to come here
• 1:07:10
  on one year of Eligibility. I mean, it's just like you know,
• 1:07:14
  it wasn't a great offense. Last year, he got some
• 1:07:15
  quarterback questions, but like he I mean the fact he convinced
• 1:07:18
  a guy like that to come here. Like that speaks volumes to his
• 1:07:20
  recruiting abilities at the about.
• 1:07:22
  I love you saying that apks. He's the life of the party first
• 1:07:25
  of all he's also like what? 65 yes it is a huge guy so
• 1:07:30
  Really. It's just like, I'm assuming
• 1:07:33
  it's a magnetic effect with him, like a lot of our guys, and he's
• 1:07:38
  known to pull the best out of all his guys Robbie.
• 1:07:40
  Obviously Rob, he's our coach friend who has some connections
• 1:07:43
  down at ECU where coach - coach and I love the key point there
• 1:07:47
  at the end we were talking about did guys come to you on this
• 1:07:51
  staff when they visited schools and he was like yeah and I was
• 1:07:54
  making sure this is who you talk to.
• 1:07:56
  This is this is who you go to because that is so much
• 1:07:59
  important. And especially with the new
• 1:08:01
  staff or new people coming on, in which we're going to talk
• 1:08:03
  about it in about three or four minutes here.
• 1:08:06
  We're going to have new coaches coming on in the near future.
• 1:08:09
  And to have somebody like fine tale mines, who especially in
• 1:08:12
  the state of Virginia. You walk into a high school, he
• 1:08:15
  can tell you who to talk to where to go, what to do.
• 1:08:18
  What they do that's huge because sometimes you don't have that
• 1:08:22
  and when you don't have that Talent, you're in the car,
• 1:08:24
  you're in the salesman business. And you know, about those
• 1:08:27
  relationship about knowing, this is how you talk to this guy.
• 1:08:30
  This is where you go here in to have him like that.
• 1:08:33
  It's almost heaven. Like and I think he is the
• 1:08:35
  recruiting to the recruiting office recruiting coordinator
• 1:08:39
  offensive, recruiting coordinator.
• 1:08:40
  So then that makes sense from what everything's he's telling
• 1:08:44
  us there or so. Now, He said it himself and when
• 1:08:51
  we were coming up you know if you were in a state of Virginia
• 1:08:55
  you went to want us to schools and you go look back through the
• 1:08:58
  history of time you know he was playing at Hermitage and you
• 1:09:02
  know 08 or excuse me in the early 2000s with Dwayne and we
• 1:09:07
  saw Tweety come through then we said guys go to UVA.
• 1:09:12
  What do y'all feel about him selling Virginia recruits?
• 1:09:16
  Our program, even though he's a UVA guy, he's going to take it.
• 1:09:25
  Anybody I'll take it, why not? So yeah let's let's talk about
• 1:09:30
  that before. So from a Virginia recruiting
• 1:09:32
  perspective he's the guy that selling a vision of when not
• 1:09:39
  only Virginia Tech was one of the top, ten fifteen programs in
• 1:09:43
  the country but from when the UVA Virginia Tech, rivalry was
• 1:09:49
  still a rivalry and not a rivalry of mid, but a rivalry of
• 1:09:54
  top. Three and four teams in their
• 1:09:56
  conference, top one, and two teams in their conference.
• 1:10:00
  He remembers those days. So, he's selling what, what can
• 1:10:04
  be, what was and what can be again?
• 1:10:07
  So I think that that's big because he can set kind of say,
• 1:10:10
  hey yeah, I did I kept my talents in the state, I went to
• 1:10:14
  University of Virginia. You know, I did these things
• 1:10:17
  that help build me and build my brand and be able to do the
• 1:10:20
  things that I wanted to do. So it's Yeah, I'd say he's just
• 1:10:25
  as good as having an alumni on the staff and that regard
• 1:10:30
  because he is still selling that same type of vision of guys that
• 1:10:34
  have been able to do it at Virginia Tech or do it at UVA.
• 1:10:37
  They've been able to go to their in-state stool and show out.
• 1:10:41
  Yeah, you know, of course I'm from from Bama.
• 1:10:44
  So we'll little bit different here.
• 1:10:46
  Like when you see somebody, I don't know, Alabama is just
• 1:10:50
  different when we see Julio Jones and League, it's not like
• 1:10:55
  Alabama, born and bred like we don't give a fuck.
• 1:10:57
  You know what I'm saying? Like what we'd like, but
• 1:11:00
  Virginia people are so prideful about their state, you know.
• 1:11:04
  It's like I seen so many people that was like, you know, Mac
• 1:11:08
  McClung won the dunk contest and it was like everybody was
• 1:11:12
  climbing in from Virginia. You know what I'm saying it is,
• 1:11:16
  it didn't matter. I don't even know where he's
• 1:11:19
  from, but everybody was claiming Gate City.
• 1:11:22
  Yes. City Jersey and last 90 days,
• 1:11:27
  I've seen Alabama be like that gung-ho about some, but fucking
• 1:11:31
  Ruben Studdard in the that's the only time I ever been like we're
• 1:11:43
  proud of Alabama. But Virginia people, when they
• 1:11:45
  talk about like music, you talk about clips and Chris Brown and
• 1:11:50
  you see go on and so yeah. So on so forth and then you Do
• 1:11:54
  you go into Allen Iverson? And Vic like Virginia people are
• 1:12:00
  very prideful, so I don't think that it's I don't think that
• 1:12:03
  it's such a like crazy thing to be like, man.
• 1:12:06
  I don't care where you going to be successful.
• 1:12:08
  I just want you to put on for the state so I think he's got
• 1:12:14
  that kind of Mantra when he's moving forward.
• 1:12:16
  Like I know you via ain't shit. But I'm trying to make Virginia
• 1:12:20
  Tech this shit. So come on over here and let's
• 1:12:22
  get it done. And see the point that he's
• 1:12:25
  making point there in general, anything you want.
• 1:12:27
  I'll let you do this is because the best both programs have ever
• 1:12:31
  been is when everybody top 20 in state were all going to those
• 1:12:38
  schools. Hmm.
• 1:12:39
  And that roughly is from 1993 to 2003.
• 1:12:44
  The years UVA, beat FSU years. We went to the national title
• 1:12:48
  game Tiki Ronde. You start going through those
• 1:12:51
  that 10-year stretch. Those were legitimately Tech was
• 1:12:54
  a top 10 team. Virginia was a top 20 team,
• 1:12:56
  those years go back and look through the annals of history
• 1:12:59
  and it tells you during that tenure stretching to White
• 1:13:02
  victim, on this program has said it.
• 1:13:04
  When both schools are good, the state's better.
• 1:13:08
  I agree with that. I want to make a real point
• 1:13:09
  right here. Not that one but this one, The
• 1:13:14
  one thing he said about that conference was, yeah, I'm at the
• 1:13:17
  AFC a conference and all of a sudden Brent Pride wants to
• 1:13:19
  interview to me to be a next head coach.
• 1:13:22
  I'm, I don't know. He was like, I don't have my
• 1:13:24
  papers, I don't have my suit. Oh shit, what am I supposed to
• 1:13:28
  do? And clearly, again, I think that
• 1:13:31
  personality just knocked it out of the ballpark.
• 1:13:35
  Um, yeah, I mean, if you got a personality like that it doesn't
• 1:13:40
  matter, the scenario that the interview takes place, it's all
• 1:13:43
  about. You know, how you can present
• 1:13:46
  your vision for a room and what you can do on the trail both
• 1:13:52
  individually and to kind of raise the bar across the board
• 1:13:55
  for the rest of the staff. And he's shown that that he has
• 1:13:58
  the aptitude to do that pretty good.
• 1:14:00
  So it's the culture. Yep, they're selling the culture
• 1:14:04
  Shield, again you living down there, you probably hear and see
• 1:14:07
  him more about it than ever and this is a three and eight
• 1:14:10
  football team that, you know, the worst we've seen in 30
• 1:14:13
  years. And like no tally, no set it
• 1:14:17
  straight up. You pull three top 25 guys, out
• 1:14:20
  of the portal, What's the culture, you know, what are you
• 1:14:23
  hearing from? When our workouts being a little
• 1:14:25
  closer down there? And I know we know you have a
• 1:14:27
  job and we know you're doing things but when you get to go
• 1:14:30
  into PK's and you get to go around the folks what is that
• 1:14:34
  culture being like you that he's mentioning in these interviews?
• 1:14:39
  I think the guys have done a really good job of sticking
• 1:14:42
  together despite adversity like We look like a last year.
• 1:14:45
  Like obviously, it's the worst Tech Team, pretty much ever and
• 1:14:49
  we didn't have any sort of, you know, locker room, you know,
• 1:14:52
  brouhaha as like, it wasn't like a bunch of infighting wasn't
• 1:14:55
  guys pointing fingers. Which was, you know, during the
• 1:14:57
  one day or like a literally, a regular occurrence even when we
• 1:15:00
  go, turkey bacon articles. Oh yeah.
• 1:15:07
  No guys trying to intentionally lose games.
• 1:15:11
  It's like it's much better. So, I think.
• 1:15:14
  I think fans and general somewhat overstate the impact
• 1:15:17
  that was lost has on recruiting. I think recruiting blows down to
• 1:15:20
  relationships. And if you're a coach who can
• 1:15:22
  sell sell a young 18 year old kid on the prospect of you know
• 1:15:29
  playing Freer for your team in the future, you're trying to
• 1:15:32
  sell them a vision on what's going to happen in the future
• 1:15:35
  and that's what that's what we're putting bows down to these
• 1:15:36
  guys. Want to be a part of that
• 1:15:38
  wedding program so you can go through and a but if you can
• 1:15:40
  sell them on you know? Hey this we're going to get all
• 1:15:42
  these good guys and We're going to, you know, we're going to get
• 1:15:45
  this thing turned around. Like that's I mean, that's a,
• 1:15:47
  that's how you do it, you know. Anybody said about being kind of
• 1:15:51
  a part of something that you had a hand in building, and I think
• 1:15:56
  a lot historically Virginia players have taken pride in
• 1:16:00
  that, so just looking at it from that perspective, you know,
• 1:16:04
  they're, they're guys that. Yeah, they still see, they still
• 1:16:08
  see the bamas, they still see the George's.
• 1:16:09
  Obviously, those are easy to get eyes on your play, and because
• 1:16:13
  they get eyes on your plate, it's a path to the, to the next
• 1:16:17
  level, it makes that Easier. But in terms of just being a
• 1:16:21
  part of building something or bringing in this case, bringing
• 1:16:24
  something back, that's definitely something that I
• 1:16:26
  think, you know, can resonate with some kids especially kids
• 1:16:29
  in state abso-freakin'-lutely. And I think Robbie might sell it
• 1:16:33
  to best here. He sells a game in the idea that
• 1:16:36
  takes it be successful War regardless, where he's coaching,
• 1:16:39
  and it seems that way because clearly, I mean, he is a guy in
• 1:16:43
  his late 30s. He's already ranked up to a
• 1:16:46
  division one, you know, P5. G in a short time coaching and
• 1:16:51
  he's building a reputation as a good recruiter and a good coach
• 1:16:55
  overall and it was a pleasure to have him.
• 1:16:58
  Hopefully Brian's working on some other interviews.
• 1:17:00
  I don't know who else we're going to be getting in the near
• 1:17:02
  future open more? Yeah, I guess we have some of
• 1:17:05
  the turnpike here. We got something, we got
• 1:17:07
  something burning. What will we keeping you guys
• 1:17:10
  updated? We so.
• 1:17:12
  All right, so there's a big elephant in the room.
• 1:17:15
  We have not talked about it yet, we are an hour and 20 minutes
• 1:17:18
  in, I think we should be Ended because we haven't talked about
• 1:17:20
  it yet. It's a miracle.
• 1:17:23
  We got we do it. Take the low-hanging fruit,
• 1:17:25
  that's what he's gonna get. Well, I mean, you know, some of
• 1:17:28
  this we apply in a lot of things in this episode out for, you
• 1:17:31
  know, about a week or so. So, the big news, obviously, Joe
• 1:17:35
  Rudolph is now the offensive line coach at Notre Dame 70-year
• 1:17:39
  offensive line coach, you know, seven-figure offensive line
• 1:17:42
  coach, you know. I think that took him from being
• 1:17:46
  the fifth highest speed offensive line coach to the One
• 1:17:50
  high-speed ovens wind coach. So that says, not only a lot
• 1:17:53
  about the pool that we put in, for him to bring him here.
• 1:17:57
  But also how he's kind of viewed by others around the country,
• 1:18:02
  especially the Blue Bloods there.
• 1:18:04
  So even after a shitty 3 and 8 season.
• 1:18:06
  Yeah, I mean the best offensive line play in the country.
• 1:18:10
  Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot to kind of point at the resume
• 1:18:12
  last year and say, yeah, that's me right?
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  So that definitely speaks to his reputation and speaks to To the
• 1:18:20
  relationships and he's built as well.
• 1:18:21
  So you know good for him. I mean that's a big move but now
• 1:18:25
  we kind of we turn the page right who's next?
• 1:18:30
  Well Anybody Everybody? Well no no it can't be anybody
• 1:18:34
  it's I'll say that. It can't be anybody but
• 1:18:38
  obviously the name start floating right between message
• 1:18:40
  boards. You know, Twitter in general and
• 1:18:44
  you know, one of the first things that popped up was to
• 1:18:46
  Washington and, you know, In for a lot of us, that's a, that's a
• 1:18:51
  hard because Todd played here, back in the 1990s, toddlers, a
• 1:18:56
  four-year starter guard, Center went on, and then played seven
• 1:19:01
  years in the NFL, which is, you know, basically three hundred
• 1:19:05
  fifty percent more than what normally happens.
• 1:19:07
  In guy, the NFL and started coaching immediately going to
• 1:19:10
  San Diego. He's made a plethora stops
• 1:19:13
  between, you know, the Ravens, the Jets, the Jags.
• 1:19:18
  And then you kind of look there. And say, well, he's a Virginia
• 1:19:20
  Tech guy, he coach with bowling last year and he could be a name
• 1:19:25
  out there, um, you know, does he come here, get out of the pro
• 1:19:31
  ranks and, you know, in any feelings on Todd Washington
• 1:19:36
  outside. This is if he was given the job.
• 1:19:40
  I mean, if he was off the job, he taken I think that's been
• 1:19:43
  made abundantly clear both by him and by others that know him.
• 1:19:49
  Um, I'm subtweeting Dwight Vic there, if y'all didn't know,
• 1:20:02
  it's my boys. So I take what he says, too
• 1:20:08
  hard, a lot and I know he knows his stuff but just looking at it
• 1:20:12
  as a fan man and knowing about recruiting.
• 1:20:16
  The only thing I can say, I don't even want to say - but
• 1:20:21
  like Todd hadn't been in that he hadn't been in the recruiting
• 1:20:25
  game in a long time, you know, and the thing that's going to
• 1:20:29
  get us to the next level is Talent.
• 1:20:31
  You know, we have to get some Talent, we have to be able to
• 1:20:34
  recruit and I think fontelle kind of said some stuff that a
• 1:20:37
  lot of people don't think about, you know, you recruit in certain
• 1:20:41
  places, your you have to talk to three and four people before you
• 1:20:45
  get to the kids before you get to a coach.
• 1:20:47
  So, That's that's the thing that worries me about him.
• 1:20:52
  The name, this more intriguing. I want to say more intriguing
• 1:20:55
  but to me it's intriguing to me is Marcus Marcus Johnson.
• 1:21:00
  So that name is very intriguing because he's first of all, he's
• 1:21:05
  like 66 350 pounds. Like, you want.
• 1:21:11
  I want a big man coaching offensive line and putting them
• 1:21:14
  saying, but just that name and looking at his resume and stuff
• 1:21:19
  like that, Like that. And what he's done and what he's
• 1:21:21
  played like, I like what I see from him, I'm I would like a,
• 1:21:25
  like a coach like that. That's just me.
• 1:21:27
  I listen Marcus Johnson right now is my one and I'm going to
• 1:21:31
  ask all y'all three at the end. I think tally, you might be
• 1:21:33
  feeling the same way as me, you know, he's a young guy, he's in
• 1:21:37
  his early 40s, he played a bunch of years in the NFL, he played
• 1:21:40
  down at Old Miss and then he kind of came up through the
• 1:21:44
  ranks, a little different, he started his strength and
• 1:21:46
  conditioning coach at Duke. Instead, they're worked his way
• 1:21:51
  up to 0 line coach. It shows you, he has a grind
• 1:21:53
  mentality as Brian playing online tally playing tight.
• 1:21:58
  In y'all know those guys can grind but the one piece that I
• 1:22:03
  look at in, why I like him more than anything, is he can recruit
• 1:22:07
  good. Look at his 24/7 profile.
• 1:22:09
  He recruited Charles Crossing developed Charles cross into a
• 1:22:12
  Charles cross, I hate to say this as a 49ers fan.
• 1:22:15
  He's gonna be a pain in the ass at left tackle for the next
• 1:22:17
  decade up at the Seahawks. He is, he just freaking is so,
• 1:22:25
  but then I see 18 and 19 goes Wikipedia page.
• 1:22:28
  Look at his bio. He played at Mississippi State
• 1:22:31
  under Joe Moorhead. We know and we saw at the end of
• 1:22:35
  last year, we're getting to that RPO mesh, we're getting to that
• 1:22:40
  RPO mesh. So He's done it for two years,
• 1:22:45
  he's done a drink which system, which is again, a similar mesh
• 1:22:48
  type offense. So I think probably for what
• 1:22:51
  Tyler bones looking to to coach offensive line wise.
• 1:22:55
  I think that's it. Sheldon, you got somebody else
• 1:22:59
  in mind though, right? Yeah.
• 1:23:01
  A guy that hasn't really been mentioning through these
• 1:23:02
  discussions as a Eugene Chung, I only bring up because I have a,
• 1:23:06
  I have a coaching buddy in the Richmond area, whose opinion.
• 1:23:08
  I respect greatly. When you just mentioned Eugene
• 1:23:11
  Chung, who is a tech graduates? Of 1992, I think Ezra.
• 1:23:16
  He was drafted into the NFL. He did a really he was a really
• 1:23:20
  big part of building out those egos offensive lines.
• 1:23:23
  I think they had a couple starters in the other rule this
• 1:23:25
  year that were kind of develop when he was there.
• 1:23:28
  He hasn't been there in a while, I think three years since he's
• 1:23:30
  been there. But they, the Eagles are
• 1:23:32
  typically, you know, one of the better offensive line teams in
• 1:23:35
  the NFL year over year and he was a big part of that.
• 1:23:38
  So you know I just I just thought it was a bit was a good
• 1:23:41
  kind of a Maybe under the radar name to mention, he's got it,
• 1:23:45
  obviously got great credentials. Great credentials, Kyle is son
• 1:23:49
  played obviously, take definitely super associated with
• 1:23:52
  the school and he coached a long time and he played a long time
• 1:23:55
  in the league and then he coached a long time in the
• 1:23:57
  league. Yep.
• 1:23:58
  So if if tomorrow they announced Eugene Chun I think us for like
• 1:24:03
  God loves the school. Guy knows how to coach o-line.
• 1:24:07
  Now I'm running kind of kind of similar higher to Todd
• 1:24:09
  Washington. Just not quite a little bit.
• 1:24:12
  It's Lightly different areas but slightly different are a little
• 1:24:15
  older but coach to coach, to a long, long time.
• 1:24:18
  Yeah. Now a couple of other things
• 1:24:20
  being thrown out there and these are more of our Penn State
• 1:24:23
  connections, is you got her painted, matte line, line Gro
• 1:24:26
  lime at Grover. Lime, like, the fruit has
• 1:24:32
  currently down at UCF with Gus Malzahn, was up in state,
• 1:24:36
  obviously, and in Vanderbilt and then you got lime Grover again,
• 1:24:40
  another Penn State guy, three years while I was there he's
• 1:24:44
  currently Kent State so he's taking a little step back.
• 1:24:47
  He is their cozy and all offensive line.
• 1:24:51
  Either these jump out for any of y'all Brian Calley.
• 1:24:56
  Herb hand is kind of the guy that I would like to go after.
• 1:24:59
  And there's a couple reasons, obviously, the connections style
• 1:25:03
  of play that we're looking for on offense.
• 1:25:06
  The other thing, you know, he's had stops at some bigger,
• 1:25:10
  programs you seen how that works.
• 1:25:13
  But he's also a guy that is at UCF right now making right at
• 1:25:17
  three hundred thousand dollars. So the pool Cool, that we have
• 1:25:22
  to offer at offensive line. Could be very significant for
• 1:25:26
  that caliber of Coach. Whereas, you know, you look at
• 1:25:30
  Marcus Johnson, he's making in the five hundred thousand dollar
• 1:25:33
  range. Looks like so whether Missouri
• 1:25:36
  can kind of jump up to meet meet that that's to be seen But I
• 1:25:40
  think we could actually from a bidding standpoint, our pool is
• 1:25:44
  pretty big especially because of what Joe Rudolph was making and
• 1:25:47
  what our potential is there. So I think Your 500k plus bump
• 1:25:55
  in salary for her paying might be very intriguing.
• 1:25:59
  Whereas, you know, a couple hundred thousand may not be
• 1:26:03
  worth. Worth it for Marcus Johnson, to
• 1:26:05
  kind of take the leap out of the SEC into the act and into kind
• 1:26:09
  of a rebuild. So that's kind of where I'm
• 1:26:11
  leaning and then you got, you know, another guy that's been
• 1:26:13
  mentioned is offensive line coach youth, at SMU Garin
• 1:26:17
  justice. So there's a lot of guys that
• 1:26:20
  are out there. I would put her pan in my top
• 1:26:24
  list of wants just because I think it is practical but also
• 1:26:30
  would be a really good replacement for Joe Rudolph.
• 1:26:32
  I'll say this about Justice, a ret Lashley system again.
• 1:26:36
  It's the RPO is the mesh spread. Look at what my it Brian
• 1:26:41
  mentioned it on this program when we played them after the
• 1:26:44
  flip, when they caiied Rhett, lastly, under main ideas.
• 1:26:48
  You basically said that offensive line of shit.
• 1:26:52
  Is shit. And basically, in one season,
• 1:26:55
  you know, Garin Justice went down there.
• 1:26:57
  And basically flip them to be a very competent offensive line
• 1:27:00
  where Miami That season ranked in the top 30 in offense.
• 1:27:05
  And he's really good at coaching pass, bro.
• 1:27:07
  Because the thing we've talked about before that season was
• 1:27:10
  like, this team is completely ass.
• 1:27:13
  That's true ass and they had a really big bump up, and then you
• 1:27:17
  brought up another stat from last year where, you know,
• 1:27:21
  running He's running Russian, the ball middle of the pack, but
• 1:27:24
  you know, really good in terms of not allowing sex.
• 1:27:27
  So I mean, it looks like that's traveling.
• 1:27:30
  It's not just a Miami thing. Yeah.
• 1:27:33
  And it any feelings towards those three guys tally or
• 1:27:37
  Sheldon and I'm kind of hey, I told you, you're being tired.
• 1:27:41
  Washington, I'd be all right with that.
• 1:27:44
  Like Brian said her hand, that's I think that's a good look for
• 1:27:48
  Marcus Johnson. Now, of course, you know,
• 1:27:52
  Virginia Tech fashion when get none of them three, we ain't
• 1:27:58
  going that route but that's okay.
• 1:28:00
  But that's just kind of what I think and what I what I look for
• 1:28:05
  and I'd love to see happen but she um, proud talked about it
• 1:28:09
  again. I'm if anybody hadn't.
• 1:28:11
  Yes. Yeah, hadn't built winning.
• 1:28:13
  Look at the TSL interview. He talked about, you know, we
• 1:28:18
  wanted to get we wanted to run the ball more.
• 1:28:21
  Then we did last year vova power running to him and it just it's
• 1:28:25
  just not us, you know? It just wasn't what we were
• 1:28:28
  going to be good at so they want to get to running the
• 1:28:31
  quarterback more so he said and I'm paraphrasing so I don't want
• 1:28:36
  to put words in his mouth but he said something to the effect
• 1:28:39
  that we want to run the quarterback to lead says hey I
• 1:28:42
  don't I don't want to run no more, you know what I mean?
• 1:28:45
  So we're going to get to that RPO and I think it's going to
• 1:28:49
  help us a lot. Because when we're good at That
• 1:28:52
  I think our team is good. So I shall let me ask you this
• 1:28:55
  just to get you kind of feel again being alumni of tech when
• 1:28:59
  that report and when it's been said that Tech damn near got up
• 1:29:04
  to a million to offer. Rudolph 975, I think is the
• 1:29:09
  number that is floating around. Did that shock you?
• 1:29:13
  Or does that say? Okay, we're back to where we
• 1:29:15
  were 15 years ago where we're top 15 top 20 and actually
• 1:29:19
  paying people Yeah, I mean the Arts up 28.
• 1:29:23
  I've even looked at numbers in a while but we are at least top 25
• 1:29:27
  in the country in terms of coaching salaries, for this
• 1:29:28
  particular staff. It's kind of crazy that when you
• 1:29:31
  look at it, like Tech was paying 9950 or something like that to
• 1:29:35
  Rudolph and he still has her Notre Dame who's giving him?
• 1:29:38
  You know, big a big salary increase and there's probably a
• 1:29:40
  handful of schools that can offer more than that her name.
• 1:29:44
  So kind of shows you like the discrepancy in terms of the you
• 1:29:46
  in the very top at the in college football, camp it all
• 1:29:49
  the rest, but like I don't think.
• 1:29:51
  The coaching salary is, just not an issue anymore.
• 1:29:53
  Like we have the money to hire quality assistance.
• 1:29:56
  Even if you look at guy like, you know, practice when he was
• 1:29:58
  making a ton, I don't know what the exact number was for Glen,
• 1:30:00
  but you know, he's making it, he's making a decent salary,
• 1:30:05
  same for all of, you know, all of our other coordinators.
• 1:30:08
  So it's, you know, the good thing about all this influx of
• 1:30:10
  cash and program. Like the Reach For Excellence
• 1:30:13
  campaign. Like we were in a much better
• 1:30:15
  position. I think.
• 1:30:15
  Infrastructure wise, you know, when you look at facilities,
• 1:30:19
  support staff coaching salaries, like Were much more competitive
• 1:30:22
  in those areas. So I don't worry too much about
• 1:30:25
  this higher because I think, at the very least, you know, we
• 1:30:28
  have we have a much more. We have a much better chance of
• 1:30:31
  making the right, the right height for us because we can
• 1:30:34
  compensate them adequately good. You are good.
• 1:30:38
  That you kind of, you know, brought up the quarterback
• 1:30:42
  position to quarterback coaching position as well.
• 1:30:46
  So I guess Curtis, you know what you're thinking about that man.
• 1:30:51
  What? You thinking about the corporate
• 1:30:52
  culture? Well, first of all where 10 days
• 1:30:55
  removed, I was hoping somebody would be named by mail, not only
• 1:30:59
  because it's easier to talk to his.
• 1:31:01
  Now, we got to do a bunch of speculation.
• 1:31:03
  I mean me and we need Brawn and tally you know last week Sheldon
• 1:31:07
  we talked about Brian Chris, just Brian, Chris get his chance
• 1:31:10
  or is it? You know a guy like Jeff
• 1:31:12
  Carpenter, you know, younger guy work with LSU has done some
• 1:31:18
  other stuff. Does he get his hands?
• 1:31:20
  I think the deeper we get into. I don't think it's gonna be, I
• 1:31:23
  don't think we're getting any internal hires.
• 1:31:25
  I think we are because of what shelving just said.
• 1:31:27
  We have the money to spend go find someone who has a track
• 1:31:31
  record or has a good connection and I'm sitting out here and I
• 1:31:36
  heard this thing so many times but I feel like the guy would
• 1:31:39
  just fumble the ball and to the other team and Lane Stadium, his
• 1:31:42
  name's Brandon Streeter, you know, Curtis got jokes, I got
• 1:31:47
  jokes go, 99 but I mean Streeter was recently let go back.
• 1:31:51
  Clemson and he had been there since 15.
• 1:31:54
  He's been coaching, you know, since 06 where he was at Liberty
• 1:31:57
  and then Richmond. So obviously he has been in
• 1:32:00
  Virginia before I think he's probably a good coat don't
• 1:32:03
  obviously, he is working with cream of the crop quarterback
• 1:32:06
  prospects in Trevor Lawrence in DeShaun Watson.
• 1:32:11
  So what's he going to do? As far as the system goes, you
• 1:32:15
  know, it's not quite what they're doing, but I don't think
• 1:32:20
  he would be a I'd hire the question is, you know, a bow
• 1:32:25
  just cut you from your alma mater, place, where you played a
• 1:32:30
  place, where you won two national championships is he
• 1:32:34
  ready to get it back in? The question, I mean, I don't
• 1:32:41
  have an answer for it. I've heard his name thrown
• 1:32:43
  around a lot from a recruiting, you know, from a recruiting
• 1:32:49
  standpoint. So that's kind of where I'm
• 1:32:51
  always thinking about what any hires that we're looking at is I
• 1:32:55
  feel like we've been so behind and recruit and just, you know,
• 1:32:59
  one or two athletes. That would take us to maybe the
• 1:33:03
  next level and I'm talking Next Level, just meaning even
• 1:33:06
  competing. In the ACC, bringing in somebody
• 1:33:10
  with a pedigree like that. I think would be would be
• 1:33:12
  awesome. So I don't know that we get him
• 1:33:16
  but I would I think it would be a good hire if we did.
• 1:33:20
  Yeah. And I think we're probably not
• 1:33:21
  going to see what I'd call Splash hires in both of these
• 1:33:25
  positions, I think. Yeah, I think you'll see
• 1:33:27
  probably a splash higher and one where we, where we go up to that
• 1:33:31
  you know, seven to eight hundred thousand dollar range for one
• 1:33:34
  coach. I don't know if we're going to
• 1:33:36
  push Yeah, the the limits of what will come off of.
• 1:33:40
  Like, we would try to retain Rudolph to hire both of these
• 1:33:43
  positions will see? I just don't, I don't
• 1:33:46
  necessarily think that's that's what's going to happen, but, I
• 1:33:49
  mean, I'd be fine with Streeter, you know, obviously, the main
• 1:33:52
  that always gets thrown out there.
• 1:33:53
  Every time you do, this is my car.
• 1:33:58
  I was just about to tell you speaking of Splash, higher,
• 1:34:01
  Vic's, name gets thrown out every time I'm a job.
• 1:34:03
  Comes open a toll on coach. Isn't that mean it's loaded
• 1:34:11
  every time I don't think it's ever going to happen.
• 1:34:14
  I think Mike you know AA all the work Mike's doing with
• 1:34:17
  Charities. All the stuff he's got with TV.
• 1:34:19
  I don't think that's going to happen.
• 1:34:23
  But, you know, I think what we are all are doing like we all
• 1:34:26
  have been doing since last Tuesday, as fans is we've been
• 1:34:30
  drawing lines, we've been trying to find, okay, who's got
• 1:34:33
  Streeter was thrown out there just readers and known name.
• 1:34:35
  He was in the ACC but then you start drawing the line.
• 1:34:38
  Okay. So who could it be?
• 1:34:40
  Who could it be? And you know, after doing some
• 1:34:46
  research, I look at a guy like Billy fessler really fast was
• 1:34:49
  over at Akron, so he's under Joe Moorhead.
• 1:34:52
  There's a media, the connection to the type of offense, that's
• 1:34:55
  going to be looked at this year. He played at Penn State.
• 1:34:59
  He's a significantly younger guy.
• 1:35:01
  Now a very, very young guy. So, you know, is it somebody
• 1:35:06
  like that? Where you probably if you're
• 1:35:09
  going to go, like you said, Brian just several seconds ago.
• 1:35:12
  If you go, Big Splash in the offensive line.
• 1:35:16
  Room. Yep.
• 1:35:18
  Then, can you afford to take a chance with a younger guy?
• 1:35:23
  I mean, what are you doing? You know, if we're talking
• 1:35:26
  about, you know, younger, guys. Let's, let's talk about somebody
• 1:35:29
  that's, you know, pretty much my age, has some connections with
• 1:35:32
  Boeing at Fordham and Coach to, in the NFL for the Jacksonville
• 1:35:39
  Jaguars, this past year. Let's talk about Andrew breiner.
• 1:35:41
  I mean, I think that's a another option that you can look at, you
• 1:35:45
  know, he was OC and quarterbacks coach at Fordham, then took over
• 1:35:50
  head coach. The time that Bowen was was
• 1:35:54
  coaching it for them there. So there's a connection there,
• 1:35:57
  similar type of job or head coaching tree.
• 1:36:01
  I'm getting the all Mississippi State staff as well.
• 1:36:04
  We're about to put together an 18 19.
• 1:36:07
  Yeah, so I mean, that's an option that's out there as well.
• 1:36:09
  So I mean, I think there's a lot of, you know, potential options
• 1:36:12
  there, you know, one of the things that's been floated kind
• 1:36:15
  of circling back to the Offensive line room is that, you
• 1:36:18
  know I don't think it's some people talk about Bo and taking
• 1:36:21
  over offensive line. That's not what I want to see
• 1:36:26
  why. Why he's coached it.
• 1:36:28
  He's played it. Yeah.
• 1:36:30
  So I don't like my OCS being offensive line.
• 1:36:34
  Coach has I like my OCS that have been offensive linemen but
• 1:36:38
  I don't like them being offensive line.
• 1:36:40
  Coach has because I'll say like this so Day to day, in practice,
• 1:36:48
  offensive line is very much for the first half of practice of
• 1:36:53
  very segmented group. They're not floating two
• 1:36:59
  different position groups like you would with tight ends
• 1:37:02
  especially you're not working with you know two or three
• 1:37:06
  position groups like you are quarterback or wide receiver.
• 1:37:10
  You know you are very much. Okay well you're here you know,
• 1:37:13
  you might get with the tight ends of running backs were some
• 1:37:15
  inside run. But most of the time you're
• 1:37:18
  working with your own group, you're getting with defensive
• 1:37:20
  tackles and doing some one-on-ones.
• 1:37:23
  This is a most of your work with the rest of the group is during
• 1:37:26
  that team period. So, allowing Bowen to be in a
• 1:37:31
  position where he can kind of look at various elements of the
• 1:37:33
  offense for longer periods of time during a practice, not just
• 1:37:37
  during that team period, I think, is more important.
• 1:37:40
  Offensive line is a very demanding position to coach, so
• 1:37:45
  I would like him to focus more on.
• 1:37:46
  Me the offense and seeing the whole picture of practice and I
• 1:37:50
  would focusing on getting that offensive line, right?
• 1:37:52
  So you've been really quiet while we've been other than
• 1:37:55
  laughing at the mic. Big joke is there, is there
• 1:37:57
  anybody, you have an eye owners there?
• 1:37:59
  Any of the names that we've mentioned that you say, hey,
• 1:38:02
  that might be the guy if you're talking about QB coach.
• 1:38:05
  Yeah, I think maybe the guy that was briefly mentioned in our, in
• 1:38:09
  our Twitter chat, had a Christian Taylor from Women.
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  Marry he worked under you. He was under Mike London.
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  Had a great day. Had a fantastic offense this
• 1:38:18
  season, really big turn around a school.
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  That's here, typically not super easy to win at.
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  So that's one guy. But I haven't been paying too
• 1:38:25
  much attention as much to the QB coach just because, like, I
• 1:38:28
  don't know, like, what you know, are they gonna make like an
• 1:38:31
  internal higher or just, you know, switch someone around like
• 1:38:34
  so, I don't know as well about that but Christian tellers, one
• 1:38:36
  guy to keep my own. All right?
• 1:38:39
  Yeah, yeah I think when you look at coaches, man, it's kind of a
• 1:38:43
  Two ends of the spectrum type thing, you need somebody who's
• 1:38:47
  either you know very well respected and has a great resume
• 1:38:52
  and just knows how to come in and get a job done.
• 1:38:55
  Or you got to take a chance on a younger guy that will kind of
• 1:39:00
  come in and know how to recruit a little better who can you know
• 1:39:04
  connect with the kids a little better?
• 1:39:06
  I mean look at fine tale. Yep.
• 1:39:08
  And I know we've got a long way to go to think about what he's
• 1:39:11
  going to do with his room or Able to see what he's going to
• 1:39:14
  be able to do with his room. But I don't think any Tech fan
• 1:39:19
  is upset at what he's done so far.
• 1:39:22
  You can even go back to Ryan Smith.
• 1:39:25
  I mean, I didn't know much about Ryan Smith before he got the
• 1:39:29
  job, but look at this. It is F4 said he did while he
• 1:39:33
  was here was a it was a good job.
• 1:39:37
  So it's at least a catch-22 you're talking coaching because
• 1:39:42
  you want somebody. Who you really are somebody that
• 1:39:46
  had, I'm sorry, Natalia I freaking went to college,
• 1:39:49
  because I went to college with Ryan Smith sister.
• 1:39:53
  Never knew the never correlated until she literally posted a
• 1:39:58
  picture of him up. Iy S this run.
• 1:40:01
  I'm a messenger. Be like why you got a picture
• 1:40:03
  Ryan Smith? Oh, that's my brother.
• 1:40:06
  Wha, you know, that kids going to the NFL.
• 1:40:10
  That's pretty cool. It was cool.
• 1:40:12
  Yeah, the girl we go we all work together but like so much going
• 1:40:20
  on right now you know because I think what's happened is is so
• 1:40:24
  late in the process and process it on TSN.
• 1:40:27
  We all heard it, right? The pro ranks are looking more
• 1:40:32
  and more into the college ranks for coaches.
• 1:40:34
  The young because what's happening is I think we're
• 1:40:37
  getting to that NFL level where they're guys who are getting in
• 1:40:40
  their late 60s that are retiring or guys that just essentially
• 1:40:46
  recycling out. And now it's like who is the
• 1:40:48
  most technical? Who's a great motivator, who can
• 1:40:53
  really put game plans together and they're going to the college
• 1:40:56
  ranks because the college ranks have so many more people also,
• 1:41:01
  you're running a lot more College style offenses in the
• 1:41:04
  NFL. Now, the concepts have changed
• 1:41:06
  like that over the last few years.
• 1:41:07
  So hopefully there'll be some news about somebody getting
• 1:41:11
  hired over the next few weeks. Because I'm just sitting here
• 1:41:16
  with two weeks away from Spring ball like we need to get
• 1:41:18
  somebody hired. Now, I don't want a position
• 1:41:20
  group to be done. All right, couple last nose
• 1:41:24
  before we close it out tonight, and sort of sucks on both ends
• 1:41:30
  Mike Hawkins, not on the roster anymore, coach made a brief
• 1:41:35
  Statement with that with Buddy, David Cunningham over T SL
• 1:41:39
  about, you know, there's some things going on, whatever is
• 1:41:41
  going on in Nikes personal life. We hope all gets to go.
• 1:41:44
  Well and then unfortunately for night and Johnson who's all
• 1:41:50
  probably gonna be depending on to be a to deep guy in the
• 1:41:53
  safety room. He tore his Achilles and he's
• 1:41:55
  done during workouts, can't workouts.
• 1:41:59
  So, you know, kind of a bit of bummer for both of those, you
• 1:42:03
  know, both those situations. Has to close it out here tonight
• 1:42:06
  but you know, you got to talk about it because I can't
• 1:42:09
  remember the exact time. You know, last week we talked
• 1:42:12
  about Jalen Jones moving over, right?
• 1:42:14
  He's nailing the safety room, right.
• 1:42:16
  And you see, night Hawkins gone night Johnson tears.
• 1:42:20
  Achilles, I mentioned what maybe they'll redshirting this year.
• 1:42:25
  Probably not going. If he's playing, good is
• 1:42:27
  probably going to be that way anymore.
• 1:42:30
  Very true man. And you know how it is is like
• 1:42:33
  you know, kid. Like you said, Nikes, he's just
• 1:42:36
  coming off of an injury and trying to get back and trying
• 1:42:39
  to, you know, compete for some time and you get hurt again.
• 1:42:42
  It's just devastating sometimes man to the mindset, but I've
• 1:42:46
  seen him put out, a put out, a tweet.
• 1:42:49
  I think what he was talking about, you know, just being
• 1:42:53
  there for his brothers and being around the team.
• 1:42:55
  So hope he just keeps his head in and keep moving forward for
• 1:42:58
  himself. There you go.
• 1:43:02
  Yep. Yep.
• 1:43:03
  That's big. I mean time you get injury like
• 1:43:05
  that. It's definitely a mindset that
• 1:43:06
  you have to come back from and you know especially when you're
• 1:43:09
  coming off an injury, like you said to Ali, you know, it can it
• 1:43:14
  can eat at you because you feel like alright I just I just climb
• 1:43:17
  my way out this hole a little bit.
• 1:43:18
  Now I'm kind of back in it so nothing nothing but your good
• 1:43:23
  wishes. His way of Lee speedy recovery
• 1:43:25
  and I know Achilles is always, that's a tough one.
• 1:43:28
  So So you know, wishing him the best.
• 1:43:31
  Alright guys? Anything additional to add
• 1:43:35
  anything breaking while we've been seared in here for an hour
• 1:43:39
  and 45 minutes, I just want to know.
• 1:43:41
  When are we getting Robbie on the show?
• 1:43:45
  I need Robbie on the show. Well, we have been thinking
• 1:43:49
  about potentially bringing him over in April for Spring ball
• 1:43:54
  preview, just because with it Riley being a coach.
• 1:43:57
  Robbie usually gives us a little insight.
• 1:43:58
  So So and I think Robbie is discussing coming to Blacksburg
• 1:44:02
  for the spring game. That is his birthday weekend,
• 1:44:05
  although I'm Turnt Up Dan. Are we gonna take it back to to
• 1:44:09
  bring the hot sauce day? Okay, he's about to post.
• 1:44:17
  Nope, I'm a good man. All right.
• 1:44:19
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