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Finding Chase Massner Episode 6: Answering your questions · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: This is a special edition of Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Finding Chase Masner Episode six. This week marks three
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Speaker 1: years since her son, Chase Massner vanished in Cobb County.
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Speaker 1: Living the last three years with the not knowing and
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Speaker 1: without him here is pure hell. Chase Massner isn't a
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Speaker 1: Rock War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife told
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Speaker 1: us she dropped him off at a quick trip in
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Speaker 1: Cobb County, where he works. His family says he was
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Speaker 1: last seen at a friend's house in Kennesaw three years
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Speaker 1: ago on March and it's like he vanished from that home,
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Speaker 1: not to be seen or heard from again. If he
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Speaker 1: was able to reach out to any one of us,
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Speaker 1: he would, he would. Despite some intense searching, few clues
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Speaker 1: have been found. She tells me that as a mother,
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Speaker 1: in her heart she feels her son Chase is good.
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Speaker 1: We have absolutely no answers at all, not even the
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Speaker 1: slightest clue. In three every night she goes to sleep
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Speaker 1: with no idea where her son is. I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: Stephanie Cadina, who brings us the story of her missing son,
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Speaker 1: Chase Masner crime Online audit and with us special guest
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Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson from CBS Channel also on the story, as
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Speaker 1: well as Lee Egan from Crime Online and of course
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Speaker 1: the Duke Alan Duke and our search as it goes
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Speaker 1: on for missing Iraqi war Vett, father son, husband, Chase Masner.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy, Grace, thank you for being with us. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories today. We are taking your calls. Let's
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Speaker 1: go to the first call, Allen, Nancy. This caller wants
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Speaker 1: to talk about Brad Clement, the last known person to
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Speaker 1: see Chase Masner alive. Just curious, um, personally, I seek
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Speaker 1: this guy is full of garbage. Um. Why would he
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Speaker 1: have to bring over residue for her to smoke if
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Speaker 1: she was worried about, um, you know, getting caught because
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Speaker 1: they were growing their own pot. Um. Just seems like
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Speaker 1: this guy is just searching for answers. Everything's like you know, um,
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Speaker 1: like like you know, um, doesn't seem like he has
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Speaker 1: any straightforward answers about anything. Well, I agree with you two,
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Speaker 1: and let me tell you something. Caller. When I heard
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Speaker 1: the wild card, as I call Brad Clement's different stories
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Speaker 1: and inconsistencies, I was very very suspicious. Then when I
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Speaker 1: met him, Daniel and I went banging on his door.
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Speaker 1: He opened the door up wide, let us in and
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Speaker 1: was very open. Some of his inconsistencies can be explained away.
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Speaker 1: Some of them, I'm not so sure can be explained
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Speaker 1: away by me anyway. Maybe he can. But let me
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Speaker 1: remind you of a judge I used to have. His
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Speaker 1: name was Luther Alverson. He was the oldest judge on
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Speaker 1: the bench when I was trying cases, and he was
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Speaker 1: so old. As a matter of fact, he was grandfather
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Speaker 1: in because he was already past retirement when they came
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Speaker 1: up with a mandatory retirement, so it didn't apply to him.
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Speaker 1: But his his calling was to try more cases and
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Speaker 1: handle more volume than any other judge in the courthouse,
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Speaker 1: to show he was fit to be on the bench.
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Speaker 1: And he would tell every jury it is your duty
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Speaker 1: to make all witnesses speak the truth, impugning perjury on
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Speaker 1: no one. In other words, if there's a way to
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Speaker 1: make Brad's story be truthful, makes sense understandable, then that's
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Speaker 1: our duty. Let me go out to our guest, Daniel Wilkinson. Daniel,
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Speaker 1: what do you think about the caller's question regarding Brad?
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Speaker 1: I mean, he does have inconsistencies. He does, and you know,
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Speaker 1: Brad has said in the past that one of his
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Speaker 1: main gripes or his main frustrations, was that people have
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Speaker 1: said that his story has changed. He admits that, you know,
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Speaker 1: it has changed a little, he says, um. But he
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Speaker 1: says that he didn't know at the time on the
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Speaker 1: twenty six and March back in two thousand and fourteen
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Speaker 1: that he was going to have to take note of
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Speaker 1: specific times, um. And so that's that's his side, that's
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Speaker 1: what he's saying. Okay, Lee, I know that he what
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Speaker 1: Daniel was saying is correct. That he says, yeah, I know,
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Speaker 1: I got some inconsistencies. Well, that's all well and good,
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't explain them away, right, No, it does not,
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Speaker 1: especially ones where he said right to us that it's
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Speaker 1: not it's very light Chase to just disappear. But yet
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Speaker 1: in other times he said that it's not like him.
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Speaker 1: I just don't see how he can get those two
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Speaker 1: mixed up, because that has nothing to do with this timeline. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's go to our next collar. I am wondering how
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Speaker 1: Amanda and a could afford a house with a rent
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Speaker 1: payment of close to twelve dollars a month with a
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Speaker 1: small child. And a brandy baby and all the expenses
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Speaker 1: that come with a small child and a brandy baby,
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Speaker 1: and how they afforded their bills with Chase working at
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Speaker 1: Quick Trips? So how did they afford all of their
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Speaker 1: bills to keep them paid and catch up and pay
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Speaker 1: all of their credit card debts off? Which they did
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Speaker 1: because the problem that I understood monetarily was that Chase's
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Speaker 1: father and stepmother ran their credit cards back up right
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Speaker 1: before Chase, not long before Chase disappeared. Thank you, Okay,
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Speaker 1: good question. And like so many other people in America,
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Speaker 1: I guess, including all of us, everybody uh needs more
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Speaker 1: money bottom line? But I agree, how could he support
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Speaker 1: a wife who was not working and had no plans
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Speaker 1: to work, uh and two little children? So let me
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Speaker 1: go to you, Alan the d D. What do we
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Speaker 1: know and what's this business about the father? Well, I've
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Speaker 1: been checking into this and talking to some family sources
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Speaker 1: and people who know. First of all, a Quick Trip
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Speaker 1: is a corporation that pays pretty well for that kind
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Speaker 1: of a convenience store. But still Chase was only making
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Speaker 1: about ten dollars an hour as an overnight cashier there,
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Speaker 1: and it is difficult their rent was about a month
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Speaker 1: on this house that they had. How could they meet
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Speaker 1: their bills? Well, they actually did, And what I found
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Speaker 1: out is they took out a consolidation loan to pay
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Speaker 1: off debts in December and that they were doing pretty
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Speaker 1: good then and the pressure was off. But then Chase's father,
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Speaker 1: who had quit his trucking job and his and Chase
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Speaker 1: his step mom moved in with them, and that increased
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Speaker 1: the bills. Stop stop stop stop stop? Okay, slow down
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Speaker 1: the roller coaster? Did you say? His father? Just quick?
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Speaker 1: And so the father quit swort and moves in with
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Speaker 1: the already economically challenged Chase Master. This is one of
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Speaker 1: the things that happened, yes, and was there for a
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Speaker 1: couple of months. It caused a lot of you know,
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Speaker 1: you you have your in laws move in you you
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Speaker 1: can only imagine how that is in such such cases.
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Speaker 1: And they were there for about two months and finally
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Speaker 1: they left. But it was the middle of March, about
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Speaker 1: a week or week and a half before Chase vanished.
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Speaker 1: The credit card bills came in and I'm told that
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Speaker 1: they were as much as thirty five hundred dollars that
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Speaker 1: they had accumulated after having cleared them up. And as
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Speaker 1: for Amanda, part of the tension between Amanda and Chase
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Speaker 1: was that, in fact, Amanda got a part time job
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Speaker 1: just two weeks before Chase disappeared. She started working a
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Speaker 1: part time job and apparently Chase wasn't too happy about that,
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Speaker 1: where it was some kind of motor sports company or
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Speaker 1: car company something to do with that she worked the administration. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on, let me understand this. So she gets a
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Speaker 1: job to two weeks before he disappears. Okay, And I
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Speaker 1: still don't get the father quitting his job just like that.
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Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm not going to say the word freeloading,
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Speaker 1: but um, this is one of the controversy. Why did
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Speaker 1: he quit? Was he ill or did he just say
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Speaker 1: I'm tired of working from a family source, he didn't
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Speaker 1: like the job and so he quit. But before he
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Speaker 1: found something else he quit. Can I tell you something.
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Speaker 1: I remember um prosecuting all day long in the courthouse.
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Speaker 1: I'd get off at best at six to seven, then
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Speaker 1: going to teach. On Mondays and Wednesdays, I taught in
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Speaker 1: the undergrad program at Georgia State. And on Tuesdays and
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Speaker 1: Thursdays I taught in the law school. Teaching trial strategy,
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Speaker 1: and I tried to get a weekend job editing manuscripts.
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Speaker 1: I mean, and this guy decides he doesn't like his
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Speaker 1: job and just quits and moves in no wonder they
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Speaker 1: were having problems. When he left. The father signed a
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Speaker 1: promissory note to Chase an Amanda saying I'm gonna pay
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Speaker 1: this money back. But that didn't pay marches credit card picks.
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Speaker 1: The timing was that the bills were coming in in
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Speaker 1: the middle of March, and that is when reality hit that,
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Speaker 1: oh my goodness, we are in debt again despite this consolidation. Long,
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on what day? What day Daniel did
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Speaker 1: he go missing? What was the date he went missing?
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Speaker 1: On March Thursday? What a co inkie dank? What a
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Speaker 1: coinkie dank? A coincidence? And regular people talk that they
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Speaker 1: get this bill for thirty dollars and then bam, he
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Speaker 1: goes missing. I'm telling you, the love of money is
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Speaker 1: the root of evil. Money proble UM's credit cards. I mean, dang,
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Speaker 1: But you know, Lee, I don't know if you've ever
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Speaker 1: been in the spot before, but I remember in law
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Speaker 1: school I was so broke, so broke. I remember a
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Speaker 1: big night I think it was Del Taco or Taco
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Speaker 1: Bell would have three tacos for ninety nine cents, and
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Speaker 1: me and my study partner, Frank, I mean, we would
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Speaker 1: go like stuff ourselves to last for the rest of
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Speaker 1: the week. And I would have to drive through the
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Speaker 1: bank to make sure how much money I had before
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Speaker 1: I would write a check. I have to drive through
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Speaker 1: the bank teller. You know that is very pitiful, right, Okay,
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Speaker 1: So that it happens, it happens. I want to add
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Speaker 1: this to you have to add the way I understand
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Speaker 1: it to, Amanda's sister was living with them, and so
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Speaker 1: she may have and we don't have this confirmed, but
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Speaker 1: she may have been contributing to the contributing some money
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Speaker 1: for the expenses. The other thing is this, I went
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Speaker 1: out probably about a month ago to Chase and Amanda.
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Speaker 1: Is their their own home, and it is a huge home.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a winding driveway. They sit probably
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Speaker 1: on two acre lots. But the way that I understand it,
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Speaker 1: a family source told me that they got a super
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Speaker 1: deal as far as monthly rent. And I think Alan,
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Speaker 1: you said, what is round eleven or twelve dollars? Yes,
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Speaker 1: that's what I heard. Yeah. I think that was because
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Speaker 1: they had some kind of connection to the landlord. But
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Speaker 1: still a thousand dollars eleven hundred dollars is a lot
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Speaker 1: off of ten dollars an hour, okay, yeah, And plus
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Speaker 1: when you have family moving in and not and not
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Speaker 1: eating all your food and using your hot water and
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Speaker 1: running up your energy bill and not paying any money. No,
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Speaker 1: not judging, just observing. Next question hit me. One of
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Speaker 1: the big questions that I have is Bladday chases phone back.
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Speaker 1: Chase disappears on March with the phone and the dead card,
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Speaker 1: never to be found again. I have a recording with
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Speaker 1: Brad on April the sixteenth of two thousand fourteen, where
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Speaker 1: Brad calls Amanda in a three way call. He's asking
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Speaker 1: her about a drug dealer in the neighborhood if Amanda
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Speaker 1: has talked with that person to see if that person
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Speaker 1: knows what Chase might be. And Amanda is sleepy. It's
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Speaker 1: about two in the morning, and Amanda says, I will
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Speaker 1: look in Chase's phone in the morning and give you
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Speaker 1: that number. I will call you back with that number.
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Speaker 1: So Amanda admitted on April the sixteenth that she had
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Speaker 1: Chase's phone now this was his current phone, because Chase
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Speaker 1: said just bought a phone a month before and did
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Speaker 1: have a new phone. Okay, Alan take that one. We
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Speaker 1: actually have that recording where Brad called Amanda at two
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Speaker 1: am on the sixteenth of April. Let's first listen to
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Speaker 1: that recording and you hear it for yourself. Hey, Amanda, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: h m hmm, and sorry to call you so late. Um,
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking, that's kind of walking through the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood and uh, I just remember, do you know the
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Speaker 1: guy that lived down the street for me that chases
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Speaker 1: to get um that stuff from? Because I remember he
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Speaker 1: and I couldn't remember, Um, did you have you tried
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Speaker 1: to call that guy or do you know? Um? How
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Speaker 1: do you do you know who I'm talking about? No?
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Speaker 1: I don't. He said that he lived right in my neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: and I think that is a big step to this.
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Speaker 1: We could just figure out who that guy is if
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Speaker 1: you're talking about the time that you like it like
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Speaker 1: he got weed for that one day. Yeah, yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. That's like some five year old
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Speaker 1: his name Oh h power m. Because did you know him? Well?
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Speaker 1: Do you think that he could have gone there? That No,
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Speaker 1: Chase doesn't really know him that well later, he just
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Speaker 1: met him a few weeks ago. He's like some old
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Speaker 1: business guy, like kind of a nerd Chase just a
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Speaker 1: few times. Okay, well, um, mistake member should be interesting. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Well tomorrow, okay, cool, cool. I'm just you know, still
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Speaker 1: do want to can Manda and trying to trying to
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Speaker 1: find him and do get this, you know, get some closure,
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Speaker 1: and you know, just all of us are finally getting
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Speaker 1: you know, accused of this all kinds of stuff I
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Speaker 1: feel like, So I just want to I just wanted
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Speaker 1: to get it done, you know. And yeah, techinitely definitely
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Speaker 1: just well, sleep tight, and I hope everything's doing all right,
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Speaker 1: all right, And if you you know, like I said,
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Speaker 1: need anything, don't hurt if you you know, if you
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Speaker 1: need anything, that's not gonna get you in trouble from
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Speaker 1: talking to me. But I just thought that, uh, that
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Speaker 1: guy you know, really prod have some importance for this,
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Speaker 1: because I don't think we've gone that route at all.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, looks number. Okay, Well I'll talk to you soon,
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Speaker 1: all right, Okay, thank you, thank you. So what I
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Speaker 1: get out of this is that Amanda is dead asleep
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Speaker 1: and probably could even not remember this phone conversation the
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Speaker 1: next morning, and in that sleep mode probably didn't even
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Speaker 1: remember who had what phone. Also, keep in mind that
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Speaker 1: Chase had two telephones. He had a phone that was
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Speaker 1: older and a new phone. The new phone is the
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Speaker 1: one he had that that is now missing, and maybe
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Speaker 1: the number was in the older phone and she still
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Speaker 1: had that and was going to check it there. But
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Speaker 1: if Chase's phone had been turned on at all in
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Speaker 1: the time after his missing, it would have been picked
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Speaker 1: up by law enforcement. They would have been able to ping.
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Speaker 1: But there is plenty of evidence to believe that the
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Speaker 1: phone was destroyed, disabled, battery taken out because as far
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Speaker 1: as we know, it wasn't being used, and it wasn't
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Speaker 1: being peeing afterwards. Bottom line, Lee Egan, where does that
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Speaker 1: leave me? I mean, Alan, I know you're a journalist
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Speaker 1: and you're all l a Hollywood blah blah, but can
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Speaker 1: you put anything in a nutshell for Pete's sake? I mean, Lee,
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Speaker 1: what did he just say? He basically said that she
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Speaker 1: got the call while she was sleeping, and she could
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Speaker 1: have just mumbled something without thinking. So there's no proof
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Speaker 1: that she had Chase's phone. Although she said it, she
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Speaker 1: could have just been saying something in her sleep that
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Speaker 1: she didn't remember. Okay, wait a minute, Well, so in
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Speaker 1: her quote sleep, she says she'll check his phone. Is
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Speaker 1: that what she says? Alan, yes, I guess no, Alan yes. Okay, well, okay,
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Speaker 1: now we've got I the I was asleep. The dog
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Speaker 1: ain't my homework thing. Okay, let's go. I'm not buying
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Speaker 1: you just say it in your sleep, because if the
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Speaker 1: phone wakes me up and I'm talking on the phone,
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Speaker 1: I hit answer and I've got that much sense and
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Speaker 1: I answered, then I'm like, I forgot it the next
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Speaker 1: I'm not like totally buying that. It could have been
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Speaker 1: the older phone too, if you had just gotten a
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Speaker 1: new phone. It sometimes it takes time to get numbers
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Speaker 1: transferred over, and so she could have been referring to
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Speaker 1: his old phone. Yeah, okay, and maybe the little green
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Speaker 1: men from Mars came in and answered the phone, impersonated her. Okay, fine, people,
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Speaker 1: whatever you want, I'm just just I'm just saying again,
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Speaker 1: nobody's a suspect, nobody's a person of interest. But a
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Speaker 1: wrong dumpster after Stephanie Cadein and the mother begged and
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Speaker 1: begged and begged for them to search a dumpster. They
21:38
Speaker 1: then searched the wrong dumpster. So a time for luminal
21:42
Speaker 1: is gone long gone. Daniel jump in, yep, and and
21:47
Speaker 1: and the thing is, how many times has that dumpster
21:49
Speaker 1: been used since then? I'm sure after you know this happened,
21:54
Speaker 1: they didn't just set that dumpster to the side. I mean,
21:56
Speaker 1: you have all kind of things that could have been
21:58
Speaker 1: thrown there since then. Um, But like you said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: the Cobb County, and I've talked to him, they have
22:04
Speaker 1: admitted that they searched the wrong dumpster. In fact, Stephanie
22:08
Speaker 1: Kodina Chase his mother says that they uh an officer
22:12
Speaker 1: came to her house and said, hey, look, we dropped
22:14
Speaker 1: the ball. We cannot dig down. You know it's gonna
22:19
Speaker 1: cost over a million dollars. What else can we do
22:22
Speaker 1: to satisfy you? And we're talking about a dumpster that
22:25
Speaker 1: was parked in the driveway at Brad's house where Chase disappeared,
22:29
Speaker 1: and it was there the last day, right on March. Yes,
22:34
Speaker 1: it was in finally the house. Mars Allen hit me
22:36
Speaker 1: with the next call. I'm calling about Brad's response to
22:39
Speaker 1: Daniel in episode four, when Daniel says Brendan Buck said
22:43
Speaker 1: he tripped over what appeared to be a grave in
22:45
Speaker 1: your backyard. As you laugh and say, yes, he tripped
22:49
Speaker 1: over a tiny stone, that says bandit I. Mr Clement
22:53
Speaker 1: made initial contact with Brandon, and his exact words to
22:56
Speaker 1: me were there appears to be a spot dug up
22:59
Speaker 1: almost grave light We're brand didn't exact words. It may
23:03
Speaker 1: be a time stone now, Mr Clements, but it wasn't
23:06
Speaker 1: on much fourteen. Okay, Yeah, when we heard, oh, there's
23:12
Speaker 1: a body in the backyard, all of our ears perked up.
23:16
Speaker 1: But I spoke to Brad Clements face to face. He
23:21
Speaker 1: explained that it was an ex girlfriend's dog. He was
23:24
Speaker 1: very upfront about it. And then we actually managed to
23:28
Speaker 1: track down the roofing guy and put the question to him. Listen,
23:34
Speaker 1: there was something you tripped over in the backyard. Yeah,
23:38
Speaker 1: it was they like a little grave, he said. Were
23:44
Speaker 1: I think a dog or something? It was right outside
23:48
Speaker 1: the fence. There's a a little headstone. Next question, Okay,
23:53
Speaker 1: I have a couple of questions. Um on the end
23:56
Speaker 1: of one of the voice smails for bread. He says
23:59
Speaker 1: that it isn't like Chase to leave. But then on
24:04
Speaker 1: the other hand, he says that that he always just
24:08
Speaker 1: leaves the demanded just always picked them up it like
24:11
Speaker 1: that's normal. And I also wanted to know why would
24:15
Speaker 1: Brad say this isn't like you to leave on the
24:19
Speaker 1: on Chase's voicemail but tell everyone he always left but
24:24
Speaker 1: pretty much the same question. Yeah, you're right about that
24:27
Speaker 1: for the most part. Um, when Daniel and I were
24:29
Speaker 1: with him anyway, he seemed to say this was Chase's
24:34
Speaker 1: m O. He would just get up and leave. I
24:36
Speaker 1: always thought it was a little bit rude, without saying
24:38
Speaker 1: goodbye or anything. Daniel, do you remember that? I do?
24:42
Speaker 1: And Um, you know what, And like I said, this
24:44
Speaker 1: is a really good question because it's something that I
24:47
Speaker 1: keep thinking of in my head, but I haven't brought
24:49
Speaker 1: it up. Um. And if you remember on when Brad
24:55
Speaker 1: left a voicemail on Chase's phone on the seven, I
24:58
Speaker 1: think it was around three or four, he stated, he said,
25:02
Speaker 1: Brad said, man, it's not like you to just leave
25:06
Speaker 1: like this. And there have been several times when Brad
25:09
Speaker 1: has told me directly that it was his EMO, and
25:12
Speaker 1: he's gone back and told me at other times it
25:15
Speaker 1: wasn't Chase's m O. So uh, I didn't think it
25:18
Speaker 1: was huge. But when you put everything altogether and the
25:22
Speaker 1: other inconsistencies, Um, you know, you get a mountain. Okay,
25:28
Speaker 1: from what we are understanding this case, Chase's disappearances going
25:32
Speaker 1: to the cold case division at Cobb County, does that
25:35
Speaker 1: mean it's going to get special attention or does that
25:38
Speaker 1: mean it's really gone cold and it's on the back
25:40
Speaker 1: burner so far it's off the stove. Uh. Next question plays,
25:45
Speaker 1: I did hear your podcast UM with Jesus Mom and
25:49
Speaker 1: the last person to see Chase alive, and you did
25:53
Speaker 1: ask him if he would submit to a polygraph that
25:56
Speaker 1: I was just wondering if Um, that polygraph has gone
26:00
Speaker 1: to happen, because I have a feeling that Um last
26:04
Speaker 1: person to seeing alive, that he's not telling something. I
26:07
Speaker 1: have a couple of questions about the Gary Place masner Um,
26:11
Speaker 1: and about the wild card because in Brad, I know
26:14
Speaker 1: you in the last episode discussed him taking a polygraph.
26:17
Speaker 1: I was wondering if that was actually going to happen
26:20
Speaker 1: or not. UM, don't think you're selling the whole truth.
26:23
Speaker 1: I think maybe he's a way to take a polygraph
26:25
Speaker 1: because of the drunk youth. You don't live if you've
26:28
Speaker 1: had an opiated it and you don't live with people
26:29
Speaker 1: using opiates. So maybe that's why he doesn't want to
26:33
Speaker 1: take a polygraph. And also where are the girls? Is?
26:37
Speaker 1: Um Stephanie allowed to see them? Keep up the good word.
26:40
Speaker 1: I enjoy your podcast. Thank you. Let's talk about the polygraph, uh, Daniel.
26:45
Speaker 1: When you and I were with Brad Clements, he said, sure,
26:50
Speaker 1: I'll take a polly, but when he was asked earlier
26:53
Speaker 1: on in the investigation, he said he wouldn't because his
26:56
Speaker 1: emotions were quote all over the place. Where does it
26:58
Speaker 1: stand now? I told him set up the polly and
27:00
Speaker 1: he's skipped town, yes, and he said that he had
27:03
Speaker 1: some work to do out of town. Um, he said
27:06
Speaker 1: that this is the case all along has has really
27:08
Speaker 1: just wrecked his life. So but the last time I
27:11
Speaker 1: talked to him, he said that he would I have
27:14
Speaker 1: not tried to contact him in the last two weeks
27:17
Speaker 1: or so. Um. I will say, every time I've contacted him,
27:20
Speaker 1: he's called me back. And so I just sent a
27:22
Speaker 1: matches to him just about twenty minutes ago, and that's
27:26
Speaker 1: one of the things that I will address with him.
27:28
Speaker 1: But the last time we spoke again, he says that
27:30
Speaker 1: he will take it. Let's talk about the little girls.
27:34
Speaker 1: Uh leeve, where are the little girls? Have they been interviewed?
27:38
Speaker 1: Do you think they know anything? And will Amanda take
27:41
Speaker 1: a polygraph? The little girls they're living with Amanda in Iowa,
27:47
Speaker 1: and I believe Stephanie did see them last Thanksgiving. As
27:51
Speaker 1: far as them knowing anything, um, possibly the oldest. The
27:55
Speaker 1: oldest girl about five or six, I guess may know something.
27:59
Speaker 1: She may have heard and seen some things. And Amanda
28:02
Speaker 1: taken the polygraph. I don't know. I can't get in
28:04
Speaker 1: touch with her. I've tried several times and she's not
28:07
Speaker 1: returning my messages. So I have no idea. We played
28:11
Speaker 1: on our last episode a section of a phone call
28:15
Speaker 1: where early in the investigation, Amanda was saying she would
28:18
Speaker 1: take a polygraph test. So maybe let's leave that open.
28:21
Speaker 1: Maybe she will. And as far as Amanda goes, let
28:25
Speaker 1: me give a little perspective. As I've dug in more
28:27
Speaker 1: and more to this. You know, I got two grandkids
28:29
Speaker 1: who are this, who are about the same age that
28:32
Speaker 1: chased Amanda's kids were at the time. I cannot do anything.
28:37
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, women I know can do a
28:39
Speaker 1: lot that a man can't do. But how do you
28:41
Speaker 1: take care of two little girls and kill somebody and
28:44
Speaker 1: hide the body in the perfect cover up. I don't
28:47
Speaker 1: know how you do that. I'm trying to get my
28:48
Speaker 1: mind about doing that. And that makes me really really
28:51
Speaker 1: wonder if if Amanda had any reason, which I can't
28:54
Speaker 1: even imagine, to kill her husband, how could she possibly
28:57
Speaker 1: pull it off? She had those two little girls with
28:59
Speaker 1: her at all times, no evidence there was a babysitter around.
29:03
Speaker 1: Stop stop stop stop? Oh oh you're you're you're making
29:06
Speaker 1: my teeth hurt. Okay, all the words, okay, Alan, people
29:12
Speaker 1: kill people every day with children at home and in
29:18
Speaker 1: spite of all sorts of obstacles. Okay. So saying, oh,
29:24
Speaker 1: I couldn't commit a murder because I my children are home, No, Okay,
29:29
Speaker 1: Now it's a nice thought. And I have no reason
29:33
Speaker 1: to believe Amanda had anything to do with Chase's death.
29:38
Speaker 1: I'll put it out there dead, he's not alive anymore,
29:41
Speaker 1: no reason to think that. But as far as you're
29:45
Speaker 1: saying it would be way too inconvenient to commit a
29:48
Speaker 1: murder because I don't have a babysitter, are you serious? Please?
29:52
Speaker 1: Come on, man, whoa Okay, I'm gonna take a slug
29:56
Speaker 1: of coffee now, and I'm not I'm off the tea
29:59
Speaker 1: because to you, Alan did, I'm off the day and
30:02
Speaker 1: I'm on the hard stuff. What now, I wanted to
30:05
Speaker 1: add this. I mean, I've been talking to Amanda. I've
30:08
Speaker 1: spoken with Amanda in just the last twenty four hours,
30:11
Speaker 1: and uh. She has said that she is excited that
30:16
Speaker 1: the cold case unit is taking on uh this case. Um,
30:21
Speaker 1: and that she really had to pull back and they
30:25
Speaker 1: moved because of all the speculation. And she says that
30:28
Speaker 1: she was being stalked. Uh, and she said it was
30:31
Speaker 1: just really getting to her. So for her protection, for
30:33
Speaker 1: her girl's protection, they had to move away. And she
30:36
Speaker 1: sent me this this text message the other day, and
30:40
Speaker 1: because I asked her, I said, what do you think
30:42
Speaker 1: happened to Chase? Do you feel he's still alive? And
30:45
Speaker 1: I want to read it. She says, for so long,
30:47
Speaker 1: each day, I had so many different gut feelings about
30:50
Speaker 1: what could have happened. I have gone back and forth
30:52
Speaker 1: and driven myself crazy for months on end. Finally God
30:56
Speaker 1: pulled me out and showed me that I don't need
30:58
Speaker 1: to know. I don't need to guess I'm not moving on.
31:02
Speaker 1: So if he's alive, I'll rejoice to reunite with my
31:05
Speaker 1: husband and the love of my life. And if he's
31:08
Speaker 1: passed away, then I hope i'll see him again. Everything
31:12
Speaker 1: else will just torment me. God's given me peace in
31:15
Speaker 1: the unknown, so I try not to allow myself to
31:19
Speaker 1: have gut feelings anymore. I'm sorry. I know you want
31:22
Speaker 1: a straight dead or live answer, but if you were
31:25
Speaker 1: in my shoes, you know it's not that easy. Okay.
31:28
Speaker 1: When I take from that, will she take a polygraph?
31:31
Speaker 1: And will she join us on our podcast? You know
31:34
Speaker 1: the answer to either one of those? I don't know
31:36
Speaker 1: the answer. No, I don't late. Do you know the answer?
31:40
Speaker 1: Not yet. We're working on it. Well, we are working
31:44
Speaker 1: on it, and I do know that she is paying
31:46
Speaker 1: attention to what we're doing here with the podcast, So
31:49
Speaker 1: maybe she'll see that we are being fair. Allan, you
31:52
Speaker 1: can just say I don't know if you don't know,
31:55
Speaker 1: just so I don't know. I'm hopeful I'm saying maybe.
31:58
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32:10
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32:13
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32:17
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32:19
Speaker 1: not so sure it's so much the food. Is the
32:22
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32:27
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32:35
Speaker 1: us in our search for Chase Masner. You know a
32:40
Speaker 1: lot of people have forgotten about Chase master They've forgotten
32:43
Speaker 1: he's missing, they forgot he ever lived. But I really
32:47
Speaker 1: believe that one day his two little girls well thank us,
32:51
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