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John Battersby: Senior Fellow at the Centre for Defence and Security Studies on the naval officers being charged for the sinking of the HMNZS Manawanui · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: Captain of the money Minui, commander of Von Gray is
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  Speaker 1: among three Navy officers being charged over at sinking in
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  Speaker 1: Sami last year. You remember that they all face court
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  Speaker 1: martial proceedings alleged of negligently causing a ship to be lost.
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  Speaker 1: John Battersby is senior fellow, Massive University Center for Defense
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  Speaker 1: and Security Studies. John. Good morning, John. Are they are they?
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  Speaker 1: What's the story here? Are they out for blood or
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  Speaker 1: is this just process or what?
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  Speaker 2: I would definitely say it's process, and it's inevitable whenever
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  Speaker 2: a major air set light. This is lost in peace time,
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  Speaker 2: of course, is going to be an inquiry is huge
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  Speaker 2: public interest, major public Yes, there has to be an
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  Speaker 2: inquiry that exhaustively looks at all the circumstances. And as
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  Speaker 2: a commander of a naval pistol, your one job is
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  Speaker 2: to keep that above order. So no, they're not out
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  Speaker 2: for that. This is the accountability process that is perfectly
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  Speaker 2: normal in a circumstance.
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  Speaker 1: Does it mean that they've looked at other factors and
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  Speaker 1: determined it must have been human era?
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  Speaker 2: Though? I think they've looked at all possible factors, and
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  Speaker 2: I think that when the Naval report that came out
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  Speaker 2: did highlight a number of contributed factors or associated factors.
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  Speaker 2: So no, it doesn't, it doesn't rule those out. But
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  Speaker 2: what it does do is the human element of this
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  Speaker 2: needs to be explored, and that is what this inquiry
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  Speaker 2: will do.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what is that negligence? What's the punishment? Well, what
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  Speaker 1: could be a punishment or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there could be a range of punishments, and it
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  Speaker 2: would be probably unwise to be too too speakative about that.
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  Speaker 2: The losing a ship in peace time, that's a that's
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  Speaker 2: a serious matter. So I can't imagine there'll be a trifle.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, your thoughts John, on what's going on in the
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  Speaker 1: Middle East? You must be interested in that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, when your reporter rang me last night, he said,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to ask you about that, So be
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  Speaker 2: prepared for everything. Yeah, look there, there's Look, there's are
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  Speaker 2: so much happening over there at the moment. I would
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  Speaker 2: say historically, whenever the Americans have got involved in Iran,
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  Speaker 2: there's been a short term tactical success and much small, severe,
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  Speaker 2: longer term, much less successful outcomes. See the fifty three
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  Speaker 2: overturning of a democratic elected president there led to a
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  Speaker 2: period of very very poor government that was not in
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  Speaker 2: the advantages of the Iranian people and inevitably lead to
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  Speaker 2: the two and seventy nine which has put the current
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  Speaker 2: regime in there. So look from a historical perspective, not
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  Speaker 2: looking terribly enthusiastically at what's happened over there, although you
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  Speaker 2: know that raging is horrific. So while I won't publicly
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  Speaker 2: celebrate the death of any human individual, the overturning of
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  Speaker 2: the raging, but that is going to happen. As long
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  Speaker 2: as it leads to a better one could be a
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  Speaker 2: good outcome. But again, we seem to be hoping a lot,
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  Speaker 2: and there doesn't seem to be a clear objective in
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  Speaker 2: what the Americans are doing, not a clear cut one.
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  Speaker 2: There's no obvious successor we could go back to what
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  Speaker 2: was there before.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, John, thanks very much your time
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  Speaker 1: this morning, John Battersbey, Massaw University Center for Defense and
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  Speaker 1: Security Studies. For more from early edition with Ryan Bridge,
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