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Season 1, Episode 1: Welcome to The Well, Unfiltered · The Well Unfiltered with Dr. Suzanne Vester

• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the first episode of The Well Unfiltered.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am your host, Dr.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Seuss.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I thought it would be a good idea, rather than introducing something wild on episode one, that I would just let my husband tell you a little bit about how he has felt to be my guinea pig over the last 33 years.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good word.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um give you a little insight into natural living and some of the topics that we're going to cover here on the will unfiltered.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it's meant to um not really ascribe to the normal um podcast topics.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: I like to go off track a little every now and then.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hence unfiltered.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: Unfiltered, yes.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't want to go down conspiracy rabbit holes on the first episode, but we might cover a couple at some point.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna ask you a couple questions and you can just um give your unvarnished thoughts, if you will.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when we first met, what was your first indication that I might have some natural tendencies that were a little weird?
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's going back 30 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: But since you're like an elephant.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, the Birkenstocks were a clue.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we were in college years and years ago, and I think Birkenstocks have just become a c they have become a college staple.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't I think you always, even in just early conversations, I mean, at the time you were psychology major, which is not necessarily a holistic place.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but your answers always seem to be centered around like finding the the root solution, finding the root cause of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even back then.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's um I mean like I mean, I and I do remember a lot of our early conversations, but it was a lot of root cause.
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  SPEAKER_02: A lot of root root cause.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's what I mean, it's funny, roots and holistic people put those things together.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think a lot of times that's I mean that's what holistic practitioning is, in my opinion, is finding the root cause of things rather than you know, what's the test say?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, tests are important, you test a lot of people, right?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you look for the root reason that the test is off, not necessarily just that the test is off and we've got to do something about you know that thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: That thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So did you ever think that I was a little extreme?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you've got 33 years to calm through.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I mean, there's been some things you were ex extreme on.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I think they've grown to be even more extreme the more educated you've got about things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and I say extreme with using a a worldview, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: A cultural worldview.
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  SPEAKER_00: So define that so folks will know what you mean.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I mean because I mean if you if you watch 30 minutes of TV, you're gonna see you know 20 minutes of pharmaceutical commercials.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: Probably.
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  SPEAKER_02: And as we've raised our children, I mean, if you remember, you I mean, life life got lifing, but you made a lot of Avery's baby food when she was born.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that goes back 25 years, so that's a long time ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was not the norm back then.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it was bite in a jar, feed your kid, and that's not the approach we took in the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like you're like in the like it was a lot of um what's the what's the best natural way to feed our kid?
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  SPEAKER_02: Even made some of her clothes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, there's a lot of you know, I think people call it crunchy stuff now, but there's a lot of granola stuff even back then.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um but not but you know, but again, that seems to be extreme, but with but with good reason.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean we look back now and recognize the fact that hey, some of the foods that are made for kids are absolutely horrible, complete trash, absolutely um, and we've been an ingredient home, you know, pretty much our whole life because you've always been someone who cooked, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, so that's always been a pleasurable thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I tell people why I spend so much time in the gym, is because my wife is an incredible cook.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have to figure a way to burn it off.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I mean you've always been someone who chose to make rather than buy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think again, it's gotten even more extreme.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, as I I I think about when Shelby was doing 75 hard and we were working and training for 29 to 29, like lots of different diets in the home at one time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you tried to meet everybody's need based on the diet they were trying to achieve.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, I think as you've gotten more educated, maybe it's gotten from a cultural view to be more extreme, and none of it's rooted in pharmaceuticals.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So speaking of crunchy things, what's the crunchiest thing I've ever asked you to try?
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  unknown: Oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let me set this, let me set the stage as you're thinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when I met you, you were uh an incredibly picky eater.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very picky eater, picky and boring.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if if food is coming to your head, I just wanted to preface that for the listeners, is you know, because anything I think would have been an extreme crunchy thing to ask you to try early on when it comes to food.
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  SPEAKER_00: But no, in all seriousness, um, what's the crunchiest thing I've asked you to try?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, that's a that's a long list.
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  SPEAKER_02: Give me your top five.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, there's so many things like I okay, I in the last, and I and I don't and the thing is I sometimes I don't know the words of them.
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  SPEAKER_02: I just I just tell you how I'm feeling, and you say, Hey, take this.
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  unknown: Right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Take this and trust me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Usually it's horribly nasty and does not taste well, but I mean, no quote unquote medicine is ever good in flavor.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think it's a lot of it's been like in tinctures and things like that that you that you've asked me to do that was would not have been on my agenda 33 years ago and are now part of the daily right, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it's because I've seen the benefit and the and the end result of them.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: I I'll use dad as an example.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, he was I I consider over medicated, um, having lots of issues.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's two-time cancer survivor, he's had stents in his heart, he's had a stroke, I mean, there's all these things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when you look at his pharmaceutical con content now, it's very limited.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: Very, very limited.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: But if you look at his supplemental content now, it's extra it's high.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but he also keeps a watch on everything and he knows the benefit.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Yeah, I'm I'm I'm sold.
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  SPEAKER_02: I see it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It it's happened.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know if that's a good answer.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: I because there's been um there's been a lot.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I and I I don't want to go to food because now we we have become joint foodies.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like I like weird things.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think you sent me on Instagram yesterday.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: I have no interest in trying.
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  SPEAKER_02: For me, it's also it's fair.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, we have I mean you've helped me expand the thought of what good food could be.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean good in how it tastes as well as good in what it does.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: So um yeah, I would think once you got really deep in after you got your PhD, like it there's been a a lot more things put in front of me with no explanation other than trust me.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: Trust me.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: So I I'd love to give you a better answer, but I I don't know sometimes I literally don't know what you're giving me.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's lots of trust in that.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: The greens powder in the morning is probably the most entertaining for me.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Lord have mercy.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's horrible.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: I get I think it's what you're mixing it with.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I gave Mason his stuff this morning, right?
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: The stuff that you're giving him this an antiviral, and it's and he's just like, oh my god, I gotta do it again.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_02: I said, You gotta do this through Sunday.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, dude, I promise you it's not as bad as my greens.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: He might be willing to argue that point with you.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's terrible.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, it makes me want to vomit every time.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's really not that bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just what he's mixing it with.
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  SPEAKER_00: I promise.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think your friends and family um say about how we live our lifestyle?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think if they're new friends to us, that it seems odd.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think family's been around us long enough now that they just embrace the crazy.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they've embraced it because it's I mean, you look at mom, like she comes to you for a lot of products.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, Jonathan has used you for products.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, and so the the immediate family for sure that's all on, you know, they're they're a hundred percent bought in because over the course of time they've seen the results.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: Our children don't question anything, they don't think anything's odd because they were raised in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then you look at the the men and women that we serve on Monday and Tuesday, you know, a lot of them have come into the system of what we're doing with ministry, going, oh, there's more to it than ministry.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's actually holistic medicine I can partake in.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they have made drastic differences in their lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I mean, Adam and Brittany come to mind, and I say this because he posted it for everybody to see yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he they have been tracking their weight and everything for the year, and they have made drastic strides, and all they've done is open up their margin of time, consume food differently, right?
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: And nobody's eliminate the inflammatories.
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  SPEAKER_02: And nobody's starving.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, and he said it the other day, he goes, Man, my life is a different life than it was a year ago.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, I think they come in going, yeah, this is weird, and then they run into somebody else's in our circle and go, dude, it's uh it seems weird.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you it works.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I think in the beginning there's this that's strange.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, I've picked on you forever, like as you were going through this progress.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: So how big's the bone in your nose going to get as you become a better witch doctor?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's about the size of a femur now.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's a big one.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I I can say I I've been able to witness and and bear fruit of of the practice of what you're doing.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: So, what was the hardest change for you lifestyle-wise, that I've kind of thrown out there?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: Or has there been one that was really challenging?
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: I I think for an and I'll say a normal couple, because I don't think I and I use it and I don't want anybody to take offense when I say normal, but most families don't cook.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that if if it's a family that's not used to preparing food, that would be the hardest change to make because we prepare a lot of food.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_02: Now we did that in the beginning because of competing and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we got used to food prep.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it was something that naturally just it didn't it wasn't a shift for us other than the results we were seeking.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right in the beginning when we were competing, it was about gaining muscle and having stage presence and all that kind of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now it's just been more about, hey, we need to do this because it's the healthy choice.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: And so I but I if I think it from the outside looking in, that would have been something that other people would say, well, that's a really hard adjustment to make.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, for us it was just a shift in the why behind it.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um but even in that, there's things that foods that don't come into our house very often.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: They'll still come, like you'll treat us occasionally.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but like I had to give up cherry pop tarts, and that's like if I could put them in an IV bag.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't think those have been in our house in like years.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's been a long years.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's been I mean, it's been a long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when they come into our house, they last about 30 minutes, and that's the box of 12.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like and then there's this long four-hour coma.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I mean again, for us, it was not so much of a shift, but I think from the outside looking in, people would say, oh man, that's a big, that's a big thing to to overcome.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I would agree.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I think because people just don't know how.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's a it's a knowledge thing, it's not a that they think it's going to be incredibly hard, and you can make it incredibly hard.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: You really can make it really hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can almost make it impossible because it becomes an obsession.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I think when you look at things in degrees, which is something I really try to get people to do, they're like, just make make a small change, just one small shift, and let's just work on getting that down.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the idea too is it's going to be more expensive.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: One of the things that I've heard more often now is dude, it's cheaper.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Way cheaper.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's way cheaper.
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  SPEAKER_02: It I mean, you have to you have to the cost of time is a real thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But once you get into a good routine, it's just copy paste.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's become family activity for a lot of the people that we know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So food prep is now family time.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, so yeah, there's a c there's an investment of time you're making, but if you're investing the time to stay healthy and you're making it a family investment, like it's better than the time spent scrolling.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: So what's it like living with somebody who analyzes ingredients in everything?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, you do.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: And uh the first word that comes to my mind is reason reassuring, because I don't have to.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean I don't ever have to think about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I I know how to read labels, I know how to read ingredient list.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: So if I had to, if something happened to you, I could, but I don't have to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it gives me s a lot of comfort in what I'm grabbing to eat and throw in my body.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, an older gentleman who's been a customer of ours forever just kind of popped in um this morning.
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  SPEAKER_02: And his question was, how do you stay so healthy?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I in reality, if you look at our gym activity, now that we're training for 29 or 29, it's a little different.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: But in the last year, there's probably been in my life less gym activity than in the last 30 years of my life.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, Well, it really just it's it's based on now a good foundation, and I'll just feed it well.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so it's and I feed it well because I don't have to think because what comes into the house has been analyzed already.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: So it makes makes my weight lift way, way less.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: Way, way less.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: There are so many apps on the market now, too, that make you can just scan barcodes and it'll tell you like on a scale of one to ten whether or not you should actually put it back on the shelf or take it home with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: So some encouragement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um Pop Tarts is a negative always.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, for so many reasons.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that can be an episode.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: I can dissect everything in there.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: So it's funny.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna tell a story on our oldest child.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've said it before, so it's not I'm not talking about her out of out of turn.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: But when she was in kindergarten, and all of our kids have been very early readers, so she had the ability to read.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I wasn't asking her to do something impossible.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: But a lot of kids in her class for snack time would bring lunchables.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: And she wanted to be like all the other kids, and our kids have always taken their lunch to school.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: So from day one, even in preschool.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: So even in preschool, right?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: So she came home and you know, she was like, I really want to do this.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Okay, well, we'll talk about it next time we're shopping.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because I did for, I mean, I honestly, until they all got old enough to drive themselves, like, oh, and we just kind of carried them around like luggage, they went everywhere we went.
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  SPEAKER_00: So shopping with them was not anything new.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so we went to the refrigerator section, you know, she picked out the one that she thought she would want the most.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then here's where mom ruined it for her.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: I told her to flip it over.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: I said, now this is awful.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, now if you can read each of those ingredients to me and tell me what they are, you can have it.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: But we only got to the second one, and she was just like, mommy, I can't even say it.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, then you can't have it.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Not to be mean, but if you don't know what's what it is, then you certainly shouldn't be consuming it.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I wanted that to be like a lesson, you know, like learn early that you need to be mindful.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: And to add to that story, like what's always come into our house when it comes to peanut butter has been peanuts and salt.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I said to you, why are we buying peanut spread?
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: Because the other day I go to the refrigerator and there's peanut butter spread.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's not peanut butter, right?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's got palm oil and sugar and all this stuff in it.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: And it was, well, they were out.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: They were out.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: And we also have a 105-pound bougie, picky dog who has to take medication every day.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: He will eat the peanut butter spread.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: And he will eat the peanut butter so we can get his joint supplements in him.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Bless him.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Bless him.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: So, what's the funniest thing I've ever said about toxins or ingredients?
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm I'm pretty raw about what I feel about.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: Number one is bright and brilliant to do it.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think when we found out about what natural flavoring, and I think it's specifically strawberry, natural strawberry, isn't it?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is.
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  SPEAKER_02: For those of you that don't know, natural flavoring, and I think it's strawberry, but you can you can chat GTP it or whatever you want to do, comes from the anal gland of beavers.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: And we were at the lake house, and and our middle daughter loves everything strawberry, whatever strawberry, everything strawberry.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: And she kept trying to make the argument that it was good for you because it had natural flavoring in it.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, Well, grab your phone and look up natural flavor.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: I do think it's strawberry, natural strawberry, and I I thought she was gonna get sick.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: I said, So just so you know, every time you eat some natural strawberry, quote unquote natural strawberry flavoring, some beaver butt.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: Enjoy your beaver butt there.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: So Yum.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll have to dig have to dig out the specifics on that, but I think you're right.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're right.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: So what has been the what has been the biggest defense that you've used when people may throw off and say, yeah, but she's not a real doctor.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Continuing education.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um because to me, the definition of what a real quote unquote real doctor is a couple different things.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: Number one, when's the last time they did any type of continuing education?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because the vast majority from conversations I've had with them, once they're done, they're done.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: I know there's some required continuing education, but it's really more I think they can actually use pharmaceutical classes as continuing education, and that's not education.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's just t telling you how a drug works.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I would say number one, continuing education and root cause.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: I I from what I say have said before, I believe veterinarians sometimes, and there's gonna be a lot of doctors that hear this take offense, I think veterinarians do a better job of solving problems for their patients than doctors do.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: So they and to your point, a cat or a dog, horse, cow, whatever it is that a veterinarian is having to see, cannot tell you what they're going through.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: Some some owner has noticed something that's not normal and they carry it to a veterinarian.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: And if you just use that same analogy, how often does the doctor even try to figure out what's wrong other than you come in with these five symptoms and there's automatically this diagnosis and automatically this prescription?
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I think it's they're never trying to find root, they don't try to find root cause.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'll say, and you said it, my general practitioner that I have, he wants to get to root cause of everything.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's interesting because you told me I wouldn't like him, and our first interaction was not good, but we have since grown to appreciate one another.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um but he tries to find root cause.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I think that if I was going to say to someone, what is a real doctor?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: Are they looking to find the best prescription based on your top three symptoms and some blood work?
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Or are they really trying to dive in and go, what's the root cause of this?
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: What's your activity level?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: What's your diet look like?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: What's your hydration look like?
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like all the things around it.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um because those tell more than any small amount of blood work will tell.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it's um I think our our perception of, and I'm gonna use this in air quite real doctor, is shifted dramatically over the last 150 years, give or take.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um if you are a MD medical doctor, you have had one course of training that required certain things.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: If you are an ND nature Doctor, like I am.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: That is a separate and different course of training, but no less training.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: So it depends on where you need to be, I think, from where I sit.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you've broken your leg, you need an MD.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: If you need to have your cobblader out, you need a surgeon, you need an MD.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: If you're having frequent recurring migraines and you don't know why, and you've tried all the things, it might not be a bad idea to come see me because we're going to look outside of that medical box and look at all the other factors.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's where the holistic care comes in.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's, I think it's shifting.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think we've talked about it.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: The shift has been made over the last probably 10 years where people are ready and willing to kind of come outside of the traditional system and look for options and alternatives.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because what I tell people all the time, I'm like, you you need to understand that time is going to pass regardless.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to have to spend money on something regardless.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Why not give it a shot and just kind of see?
• 23:09
  unknown: Yeah.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: And it's funny, I think a lot of times when people hear a naturopathic doctor, they think that you're just anti-medical.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: We both have medical doctors.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: That we go to solve regularly to solve problems.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I go every, and I mean mine, he wants to see me once a quarter.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: Same.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so I and I don't ever deny that.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: I never, and but when we're talking about what's going on, there's a different conversation.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because we are trying to solve a medical problem.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: I have a I have a nerve issue in one of my eyes that we have tried a lot of naturopathic ways to get there, and every single one of them has helped in conjunction with a some type of a medical medical solution.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I do know that because I tried medical solution, maxed it out, and then started adding in some type of a supplementation to it, and was able to bring my medical part of it down to the minimum while supplementing other methods and achieving a better result.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not like we're anti-medicine, it's just there's a sp there's a place for it, like you just said.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that shift in perspective is important, is very important.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um what's the most hippie thing in our house?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Besides my shoes.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's a great question.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: Because our house is full of plants.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um none of them to be used for any type of Some of them are medicinal, but not in the way you're meaning.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not yeah.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have a hydroponic plant growth in our house because we're in North Carolina.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um man, that's a great question.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: I I think it's the way you freshen our home.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's what hits me because we don't use the the chemical air freshener.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we don't have plugins, we don't have, you know, things candles.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: And and and then even the detergents you use.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're very specific about detergents.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're not walking around smelling like patchouli all the time.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, because I hate that smell right personally.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: But what we wash our clothes in is not bad for our skin.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: There's no forever chemicals in that.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I think the way that you um keep the home fresh smelling, right?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because everybody loves to have a house that smells a certain way.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and even that for us is a is something that's not going to be a detriment.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: So and to that point, I mean, I think when people use the word hippie, so I'll use it too.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: I think incense is what a lot of people see there.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: There's no incense in our house.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're like, yeah, we're not burning stuff and making smoke.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's not good for you either.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean, I mean, it's even one step beyond it.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's um in case anybody's wondering, it has to do with tea tree.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: So what's one thing you still think is weird after 33 years of living with the lady who wants to do things opposite of everybody else?
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: Man, I've been indoctrinated because nothing seems weird.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um mission accomplished.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, really, nothing seems weird to me anymore.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like it um I mean I I would say like from the outside looking in, I think a lot of people look at the way that we treat fever and see it as being irresponsible.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: But I I had a you know, because we were I was talking to someone here and their child's consistently sick.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's over and over and over again.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: And it was, you know, well they're running a fever of 101, some, you know, Motrin and Tylenol.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yeah, we don't we don't do that, you know.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what do you mean?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Anything less than 103, we're letting it cook.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: And like, oh my god.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Yeah, but I need to tell you the full story.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we have three daughters, 16, 21, and 25.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: So if you do the math of that, it's fifty-some years of life, sixty-some years of life.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: And collectively they've been to the doctor like five times for being sick.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: Other times it's been wellness checks.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: And they're really, really healthy.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so when I look at that, you know, that may seem weird to people.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you they've not been to the doctor because you haven't carried them.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but they they ended up okay in 48 hours.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: And got over it and got better.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: And then guess what?
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: Hardly ever get sick.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they hardly ever get sick.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I I mean, I think if I could look at one thing from the outside looking in, I think it's the way we the way we handle the sign of sickness in our family.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I I guarantee if you ask our children, they're gonna do it the same way.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because they're super appreciative, super appreciative of seeing their friends deal with sickness.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, consistently, constantly, all the time.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I think to your point, and this is not saying being an irresponsible parent.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not condoning that.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm very clear.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: But if you know your body as a parent, if you know your body well, it's constantly sending you signals.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: We call them symptoms, but they're signals to something not being like it should be.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if you know your body well and you're able to decipher those, then you're far better at deciphering those of your children because they look fairly similar.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you can decide, okay, does this require a medication?
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and our kids, all three of them are swimmers, and we have dealt with our fair share of ear infections because they didn't put the drops in their ears when they were finished swimming.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, we know where it came from.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't chronic ear infections, they were caused by just being in a hurry.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: But you know the difference between, okay, my kid just doesn't feel well and has a fever, and I'm looking at X, Y, and Z, and the difference between that and my child is sick and they require an intervention.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you know your body well enough, you're able to decipher it for your children as well.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that um, I think that's not so bad.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's not so bad.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: So if we were to go, um, last question, if we were to go completely conventional tomorrow, if we were just to go just like take all of the tinctures, the herbal remedies, the the natural things, all the ingredients out of the pantry.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: If we were to just like completely turn that on its head tomorrow, what would you miss the most?
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness, man, that's a hard question.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm thinking a lot because I'm trying to know I'm trying to figure out I think what I would miss the most is security.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's a weird answer.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I think you were looking for like what food would I miss?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: What this would be.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't really have an expectation.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: I would miss the security of knowing that what I'm putting in my body, I'm going to metabolize well.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of security in that for me.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, my family has a history of heart disease on one side and mind disease on the other.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of what we have done is to say, hey, how can we ward those off?
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know that we'll be ever like we'll we'll be able to completely not let not the I can't say, right?
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not there that those won't happen, but I'm we're doing everything we can to stave those off, you know.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um so there's a lot of security in that for me, that what I'm putting in my body is not going to cause me to have a cognitive issue in 20 years or a heart issue in five years.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like I there's like it feels good to know that what I'm eating and consuming, you know, is not adding to something that genetically I'm predisposed to.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: So if I was gonna say there's one thing I'm gonna miss, it would be the security of that.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, there's a lot of comfort.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we seek discomfort all the time.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it's very uncomfortable.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's how we get those comforts.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: But it doesn't change the fact that it it does, it provides me with a lot of peace.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I I lied.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: I have one more question.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: If you were to describe to somebody what it would be like, because you're essentially a client.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're my husband, but essentially you are a client as well.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because I am the highest paying client you'll have, for sure.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: I would say yeah, that was that was definitely a big.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for that.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm relatively inexpensive in the whole, but anyway.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: If you were to if you were to describe to someone, and I say you were a client, but I know you're not, but if you were to describe to someone what what it's like to work with me, what words would you use to describe that that relationship, that process, that um hoped for outcome?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like just kind of encompassing all of those areas, how would you describe that to someone?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Intentional.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like you it feels very intentional.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like I mean, I mean, and I'm gonna say, I mean, I am your husband and you said it, but by being that and in that space, when I come to you and say, this is what's going on, like you approach it as if I'm a client for sure.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: You can't help it, you know.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you had a car question, I'm gonna approach it as the car guy.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I I I would think the intentionality is what's is what's the most comforting.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um uh intentionality, and then there is a definite sense of knowledge.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like I I I because I have been on this road with you and this journey with you for 33 years of our life, I have been able to see the fruit of it compound.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: So having that in my back pocket, you know, knowing that there's there's true wisdom in what you're telling me, there's wisdom in the path you're asking me to go down.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: There's a depth of knowledge and understanding of how things work.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's a knowledge and understanding of what I'm faced with and genetically and what I'm trying to stay away from.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: So everything's hyper-intentional.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're when you first started down this journey, your your your website, your business is called Personalized Solutions.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: And that sets you apart from everybody at that time because everybody that went down some type of a coaching path or whatever was almost cookie cutter.
• 34:21
  unknown: Yes.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: The solution was almost cookie cutter.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: Eat this much protein, eat this much rice.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's always just cookie, cookie, cookie, cookie.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: And you didn't approach it that way.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: Every single client got something that was absolutely personalized to them.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: Personalized workout plan, personalized food plan, personalized resting plan, like posing, like everything was personalized.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I think you've taken that idea into this space.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody's a human and an individual, and they're facing a different thing.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: So there's tons of intentionality in that.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: And you understand what the end result I'm looking for is.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I hope that um, as you've listened, you've been entertained at the very minimum.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that now you have a little better insight into who's going to be giving you information in the next coming episodes.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I think maybe we'll um we'll go down the rabbit trail of trends.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: What's trendy and why that's bad.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's a lot of episodes because there's a new trend every three days.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: There is, but we'll just hit the highlights.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think that might be where we start because that's what I get a lot of questions on.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for listening.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, again, first episode here.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: So please come back.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: And if you liked it, tell me.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: If you didn't like it, also tell me, but be kind, and we'll see you next time.