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PODCAST: Episode 829 - Jon Weisnewski of Nuclear Dudes Talks Grindcore, and Satire on "Truth Paste" · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  Sustainability is key when you hit your 40s and you're, you
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  know, trying to have like a life and a family.
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  And so, yeah, you know, having, having a creative project that
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  just fits into your adult life is huge.
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  And so it's super fun, super rewarding.
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  It's like easy to do and it fits into my life.
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  So it just became a thing that I just kept doing.
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  You know, it's like a huge, huge boost to my mental health to
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  have a project like this. What's up everybody?
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  It's Kefi at ghostcultman.com. I'm super stoked to be joined by
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  John Wisenewski. Make sure I get that right.
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  Don't fuck it up because I have a fucked up name.
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  John you may know best from his band Nuclear Dudes.
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  I'm sure a lot of people are like nuclear.
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  Like Bush 2 was the guy who right W he couldn't say the word
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  right. So, Nuclear Dudes, in case you
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  aren't sure. How are you doing, man?
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  I'm good, I'm really good. How are you?
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  I'm great. I love to see smiling faces and
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  and happy artists because life is hard and I hope everybody's
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  OK out there because it's just a fucking disaster piece.
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  Every single day you have a new album coming out.
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  I'm really excited about it. Truth Paste this your 4th record
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  with this grind core project and you've been in a bunch of other
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  bands that I followed and liked, and you've got a permanent
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  vocalist now, as well as some cool guests.
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  And we're going to unpack all of that.
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  But let's let's unless you had something to chime in.
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  No, ma'am, let's get into it. Yeah, let's get into it.
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  So I like to unpack all the things, give me a little
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  history. You know, I think people will
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  know your previous projects. And then this has been like, you
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  know, pre pandemic to now, right?
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  Is that a fair to say? Yeah, yeah.
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  Right on. And then was there any
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  particular again you've, you know, played around with other
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  things? I love the synth wave stuff.
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  Hope it makes a comeback someday.
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  Yeah, I became like a nut case for synth wave in the last few
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  years, maybe even before Plague. Yeah, yeah, clearly.
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  And there's some synthy stuff on here that kind of playfully
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  makes its way in which I like because I love anything with
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  like I want 80s keyboards all the time.
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  You know, like I never graduated past like a Roland D50 or a DX7,
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  you know, like I want the sound is in my head all the time.
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  I'm always like, how can we? I mean, you get that back.
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  You can't really get an ARP anymore unless you've got like a
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  room in a house that's a whole room for it, the size of a
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  kitchen, a big kitchen. But yeah.
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  And like, like, give me, give me your genesis here isn't like a
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  Music Maker. Like how?
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  How do we get here from the last few albums that are across
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  different styles? Sure.
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  Well, yeah, as as you said, the project started pandemic time
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  frame and became the thing that was like a very is like a highly
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  sustainable solo project that I could work on.
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  Sustainability is key when you hit your 40s and you're, you
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  know, trying to have like a life and a family.
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  And so, yeah, you know, having, having a creative project that
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  just fits into your adult life is huge.
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  And so it's super fun, super rewarding.
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  It's like easy to do and it fits into my life.
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  So it just became a thing that I just kept doing, you know, it's
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  like a huge, huge boost to my mental health to have a project
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  like this. And so, but yeah, I did, I did a
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  number of records just kind of at home doing my own thing.
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  And you know, a bunch of friends and others would keep asking
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  like, hey, when are you going to do this live?
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  Are you ever going to do this live?
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  And the answer was always, I would love to, but I can't
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  because you know, when you're, when you're at home making a
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  thing, you could you have the luxury of, of sitting there and
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  like recording a complex part over and over and over again
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  until you get the perfect take. And then you get the perfect
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  take and then it's done and you leave it and you can walk away
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  from me like I never have to worry about that again because I
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  got it. Like, so.
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  So yeah, the answer was always like, I can't do this live
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  because I don't know how to play these songs live.
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  And then I got enough questions about it that I thought, OK,
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  maybe it would be really fun. And then once I kind of have a
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  brain, like once I start fixing, fixating on a thing, I have to
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  try it. And so.
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  So I convinced myself that I should do it.
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  But then I knew I couldn't play any of my back catalog, so I had
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  to write a new album for live specifically that was much more
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  like ergonomic and playable. So that's, that's what I did.
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  And I just like, and you know, like I, once I have a, once I
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  have a focus and a direction to run, I, I Sprint and I just got
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  to work on it. So that was kind of the the
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  start of the project. Release the hounds.
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  I love it. I love that you know, concept
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  here, you know, let it fly once you felt, you know, you got a
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  comfortable space and I'm a fan of Brandon like I go was given
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  like a burned CD of grind core like compilations and I had cat
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  toy on it. So I knew immediately I was
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  like, oh, I'm gonna love this. That's.
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  A deep cut? That's amazing.
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  Super duper, yeah, super duper. Like super rare shit.
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  Like I have some people in my life who like gift me things
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  like yeah, thinking check out like a 45 of these one minute
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  songs. So suit he he just suits it
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  perfectly. And I imagine he can do justice
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  to the older stuff too, if you want to.
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  Yeah, yeah, Brandon was my first pick being being the front man,
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  front man of a one man cyber grind band is not a thing I can
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  do easily as that's a young man's game.
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  I was like, OK, I'm going to need help.
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  And I thought having a singer join would be the most fun way
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  to do it. Brandon and I used to play in a
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  band that never left Seattle. We were called White Jazz, and
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  it was like a power violence, grind core punk rock situation.
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  It was really fun. Brandon was a singer of that.
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  When he performs, he has no regard for his physical safety
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  or health. Yeah, he was.
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  He was my first choice. Absolutely.
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  I was like, if Brandon can't do it, I'll, I'll be in trouble.
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  And he was super stoked. So.
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  Yeah, take it from me, a cattle call is brutal.
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  You don't want it. You don't want to do it.
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  Really. On paper, it sounds fun.
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  And then you do, you start. The reality is not the same.
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  And I, I want to say like right off the bat, in general, this
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  project is so fun. I think it's got like the fun is
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  the number one thing through the soul of this whole thing.
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  And like, you know, a lot of cyber grind is cyber grind.
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  It's not meant to be. You know, it's not fun or funny
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  or humorous or takes itself very seriously, which is fine.
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  I was very pretentious in my band, my major band days, and I
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  still kind of am. So I get it.
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  I used to wear a lot of like towels as capes and my mom's
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  knitting needles as magic wands. So I'm pretentious and I get it.
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  But like, there's none of that here.
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  And I love how just tongue in cheek everything is and how
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  like, I can't stop smiling listening to toothpaste.
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  Man. I got to be honest with you,
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  which is like probably something you don't hear like.
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  Yeah, that's, I mean, it has been actually consistent thing
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  that people who have listened to it have said is that it's it's
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  fun and that it makes you smile, which is wonderful because
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  that's what it does for me when I make the music right as like I
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  find the right sample and I tuck it into a track and if I'm
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  giggling and it stays, you know, that's kind of how it works.
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  And, you know, that being said, I take the songwriting really
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  seriously. Like the the parts are, you
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  know, they're not, I put a lot of energy and thought into how
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  the music flows and the song structure.
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  And you know, I want to have like a good breakdown and I want
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  to have a good like blast riff. So the like, I take the music
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  writing seriously, but it's just not presented seriously.
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  Perfect. No, no, it's 9:50.
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  As I like to say right off the bat, not to get you in trouble,
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  but without dropping names, there's a sample that opens the
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  record on the song Nippon Life. And I feel like you are trying
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  to get it, you know, like it's going to get you some attention.
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  It is immediately not noticeable.
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  I know exactly what live record is from, from a very prominent
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  rock band. So like the most, you know, the
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  number one selling rock band, the end of that era actually.
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  So like why? That is such a fun opener.
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  Fun fact, like 25 years ago, I put out a record with my thrash
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  band and we used to open our shows with that opening.
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  And then we exactly at the break you broke, we broke into one of
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  our songs. And you did the same thing with
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  Napalm Life. And I made me just laugh
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  uncontrollably because it's literally a callback from my own
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  life. And I'm sure I'm not the only
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  person that ever thought of it nor you.
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  But like you had the balls to put it on here.
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  Which like prompts to you. So the the version that's on the
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  record is not a ripped version that's actually like a
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  regurgitated. There's parts of it that are
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  backwards. It's like been replayed because
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  I just really didn't want to get serious.
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  I don't think I would like, I don't think anyone's going to
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  hear it from that that echelon, right.
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  But just in case, I made sure that it's like it's a suggestion
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  of the source material and not the actual source material.
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  However, the track that we use when we play live is a straight
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  RIP of the source material. And there's no doubt to what it
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  is. And that was always the intent.
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  Exactly as you said, like you start a set with that song and
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  then you you just blast at the moment, you know so.
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  It's also inherently fun to play on guitar like I I played bass,
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  but it's a fun guitar like that mean, you know, that opening is
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  just very dramatic. Just kind of what set that band
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  apart. Also, I don't know if you're a
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  sports fan, football season's around the corner as we're
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  recording this and concussion protocol.
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  I'm shocked. You know, the the NFL is very
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  serious about the word concussion.
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  They are trying to like get ahead of all the lawsuits that
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  are probably coming their way in the coming years.
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  And I know they sued. They trying to stay, they lost
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  trying to sue Sony for one of the Spider Man movies where
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  Peter Parker is like the AI tells him in his suit, which is,
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  you know, antithetical to actual Spider Man.
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  But anyway, I think you have a concussion, Peter.
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  And and like the NFL somehow found out about that before the
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  movie came out and they tried to sue them to take it out and they
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  wouldn't so respect. But yeah, like, great track, but
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  also like going there. I like it.
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  Yeah, that was that song title was was one of Brandon's
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  suggestions and I was like, yeah, it's a great song title.
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  Absolutely. Let's do that.
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  The lyrics, he wrote the lyrics. I actually don't know what he's
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  singing on most of the record because there's a ton of vocal
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  effects on everything. We tracked with the vocal
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  effects because it's a live, it's all the songs are intended
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  to be, to be played live. And so we have like vocal
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  effects boxes that we would use with our microphones live.
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  So that's all how the vocals sound live.
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  And so I don't really know what he's saying on most of the
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  songs. So I don't know if those lyrics
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  are actually about concussion protocol and then the samples
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  from that song are pulled from RoboCop.
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  So I don't know, kind of doing whatever it needs to do.
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  There it is who probably also suffered A concussion, among
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  other. Injuries on.
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  The way to becoming RoboCop. Yeah, there's some great titles
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  on here. Not that I I'm rooting for
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  anyone to have misery in their lives, but Death at Burning Man
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  is particularly funny after last summer and.
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  And then I guess this year was pretty uneventful weather wise
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  for them, so it just happened because.
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  Yeah, like, there's a lot of burners in my town.
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  I live in San Francisco, and it's a lot of people coming and
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  going on their way to and from and Juggalos for Congress.
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  I mean, you know, endorse, endorsable.
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  We can't do worse. So you know.
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  Like the, I'm not a big fan of the, the music that comes out of
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  the Juggalo scene, but the, their politics are amazing
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  actually. Like the, and their community is
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  like, they're like a punk rock community.
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  I think if anyone hasn't actually like, looked into like
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  the Juggalo movement and how they treat each other and how
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  they welcome people, it's actually kind of inspiring.
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  So, yeah, I mean, we can use a little bit of that right now in
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  our political spectrum. Indeed, I saw them twice and I
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  saw them most recently at Riot Fest in Chicago and I met a lot
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  of Juggalos and Juggalettes that day and they were hyped.
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  So all props to them. So, you know, just fun and funny
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  stuff, but also like, you know, kind of a perfect grind record,
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  very short, no real long songs, maybe at the end of the record.
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  And it's sample stuff also that, you know, kind of on those
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  tracks. So yeah, real fun.
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  You know, I imagine a show for you could be again, like, you
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  know, 35 songs in 40 minutes, you know?
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  Yeah, no, we tried our shows. We try to be done within like 15
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  minutes because, you know, we get tired real fast.
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  And it's, it's hard work. It's real hard.
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  Work indeed. It's like that mean like showed
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  up late to the grind core show, missed everything but the
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  encore. Yeah, showed up for the Do Metal
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  show. They're still on the 1st chord.
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  Yes, that's correct. So yeah, man, like, you know,
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  when you have an unconventional band, you don't have like a four
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  people band, obviously it's a little easier to navigate the
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  world as an artist by yourself with less people in the decision
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  tree, right, you and Brandon. So I had like, obviously you
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  knew you wanted to work with him.
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  He said yes, great first draft pick, got it.
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  Then like in terms of songs, did he bring in his own stuff?
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  Obviously said he's, you know, coming up on vocal stuff.
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  Did you both bounce ideas together?
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  You know, is there a gem possibility with this kind of
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  music, or do you just kind of have a bag of riffs laying
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  around that you put into the song?
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  I mostly have a bag of riffs laying around.
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  Yeah. The process was kind of like, I
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  would, I would just like, write a, write a quick version of an
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  outline of a song, send him a quick MP3 of it, Be like, what
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  do you think? And, you know, Brandon and I are
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  pretty aligned tonally. So every time I'd send him a
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  song, he'd be like, sounds great.
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  I'm like, all right, move on to the next one.
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  And then they'd go back and refine them, you know, during
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  the recording process. But yeah, I mean, yeah, that's
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  kind of it. I think, you know, if if Brandon
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  wanted to contribute more that that'd be that'd be awesome.
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  I welcome it. I don't, I'm not doing a solo
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  project because I have a driving need to like be the creative
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  like singular force. It's again, it's just more out
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  of convenience. I don't have to organize
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  practice with anybody. And with the second, I'm just
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  hit with inspiration or like an idea, I can just like literally
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  like run to my laptop, open it up and like jot it down and come
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  back to it when I have more time, right.
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  So it's, it's purely out of convenience.
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  And in fact, like the working with guest musicians is, is
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  something I arrive on and prefer.
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  It's just harder. Tough to nail down people who
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  are busy with other projects, but let's talk about the guests
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  on the record. You have some very notable
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  awesome guests here too. I was pleased to see amazing
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  pedigrees of folks. How did you go?
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  Did you write these songs with them in mind or did they?
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  You're like, hey, would you like to be on this?
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  Are you talking about the last album?
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  Yeah, yeah, in general. In general.
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  Yeah, so far it's all been by writing the songs and I'll
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  basically like it'll, I'll kind of hear like something that
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  maybe is like out of my wheelhouse and then one I'll ask
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  somebody who I I think would be better suited for it.
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  So on the the one before this on Boss Blades, I reached out to
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  Dave Varelin from Botch for a couple songs.
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  I think Dave is honestly one of the best metal screams in the
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  world. Like the tone and delivery is
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  just, it's like chef's kiss. It's great.
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  And I just, you know, I'm lucky enough that I just kind of know
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  Dave by association of being in the Seattle music scene and our
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  bands have played together and we have a ton of mutual friends
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  and it's like, it's not weird if I reach out to him, you know, we
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  just like kind of know each other.
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  So I was just like, hey, Dave, you want to, and this is before
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  the battery and stuff really got rolling.
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  I was like, hey Dave, you want to sing on a couple songs and he
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  had nothing going on. He was like, sure.
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  So he just showed up and sang on a couple songs.
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  And then like Irene from Dust Moth, I've, I kind of always,
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  the first time I saw Dust Moth, I kind of pegged Irene as a
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  person that I really want to work with in some capacity at
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  some point. She's just got one of the most
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  tremendous and haunting vocal deliveries of anyone I've ever
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  seen. And so, yeah, I mean, there's a
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  bunch of like ambient cynthy stuff on that record, and I'm
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  not really particularly good at singing those kind of things.
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  And so it just seemed like a good opportunity to see if Irene
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  wanted to sing on something, she was into it.
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  And then I actually have another album in the pipe with another
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  collaborator, which I'm not quite ready to to talk about
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  yet. But the one the album coming up
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  is with a person. And this is the first time me
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  and a person got together from the outset of the album and
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  collaborated equally from the start.
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  So that's pretty exciting. And it's like it's the same but
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  different. Noted.
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  We'll be looking out for that. Sounds like you're very
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  prolific. I imagine if you're a Family Guy
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  you have to have like a studio and headphones to woodshed and
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  write and stuff, right? Nope, not.
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  At all. All right, let's turn it up to
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  11. Yeah.
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  I so actually at the start of this project, I gave myself the
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  constraint of not turning into a home studio guy because that's
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  expensive and it takes up a lot of space.
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  So I actually run as lean as possible on this project and
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  it's been really awesome. So I have, you know, I, I have
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  my instruments, obviously, like I've got my keyboards, my sense
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  and my my guitars and my basses. And then I just have a laptop
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  and some headphones and couple plugins, couple cables, a
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  microphone, and that's pretty much my whole operation.
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  I just do it. I just do it on the couch in my
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  living. Fun, fun, fun, fun.
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  You know, I, I feel like grind was the original outsider
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  extreme metal genre. Obviously every extreme metal
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  genre is trying to out extreme everybody else.
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  And I think I for a long time I thought like, nobody's ever
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  going to do this better than Napalm Death and you suffer,
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  right? But do you have like a favorite
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  grind album or grind song of all time that you put up on a
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  pedestal? Absolutely.
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  I think Pig Destroyer terror fire is my absolute number one.
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  Absolute #1 like, without a doubt, yeah.
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  Amazing. I saw them do a good portion of
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  that record live a while back and people, it was a kind of a
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  butt rock festival and they were on it like 2:00 on a Saturday
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  and maybe Slayer was the headliner and people were not
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  ready. They were like what in the
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  actual fuck is happening? Because I think like in this
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  moment was after them, and maybe Dillinger played around them
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  too. So that was fun because people
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  just like, OK, I guess I'm not going to get whatever the this
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  next hour and a half is. But it was tremendous to watch
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  people watch them and just like their brains explode their
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  faces, you know? Yeah, I look yeah, Pig Destroyer
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  I think for me is like head of the pack of that most of that
• 19:16
  scene. I do really like like the more
• 19:19
  like like punk delivery of grind core as well, like bands like
• 19:23
  crossed out and iron lung, no more power violency.
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  I think Pig Destroyer, they just they just really do a good job
• 19:30
  of doing this like brutal grind assault, but also having like
• 19:33
  really, really like catchy like metal hooks as well.
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  Like and really like smart, clever palm muted riffs.
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  You know that you get tossed in there.
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  And I think Terrifier is the best example of that style that
• 19:46
  they do. But I love all.
• 19:48
  Good shit. We just gave away some Pig
• 19:50
  Destroyer tickets with Acid Bath in LA for tomorrow.
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  So as we're talking now, I like to end these interviews and
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  you've been terrific. Thank you so much, John.
• 20:00
  I like I like to end these with a wild card question.
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  So for you, what is the last good book you read that you can
• 20:06
  recommend to our viewers? So I, I actually got really into
• 20:11
  reading horror books recently And so, and so I'm going to
• 20:15
  recommend 2 good books. I'm going to answer your
• 20:16
  question and then, but I'm going to seed it with like when I,
• 20:20
  when I was a kid, I would read a lot of horror books and it was
• 20:23
  mostly like Stephen King stuff. And those are great and you
• 20:25
  know, they're excellent. But as I've gotten older, when I
• 20:28
  tried to read a horror book, it always, I don't feel like, I
• 20:31
  never felt like they, they were like trying new things.
• 20:34
  It just felt like everyone was like kind of falling into the
• 20:36
  Stephen King template. So I stopped reading horror
• 20:38
  books for a long time. And then this book got
• 20:41
  recommended to me and they said it was like one of the most
• 20:43
  shocking things they've ever read and they couldn't put it
• 20:46
  down. And it like totally freaked them
• 20:47
  out. It's like, all right, OK, I'll
• 20:48
  give it a try. And that was called I can.
• 20:52
  I'm so pissed. I'm spacing on the name of it
• 20:54
  right now. We can edit this, right?
• 20:57
  Make it not seem. We can make you smarter.
• 21:01
  We can rebuild him. Yeah, oh.
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  So yeah, that book was called Tender is the Flesh.
• 21:06
  I'm spacing on the name of the author, but it's a book about
• 21:10
  cannibalism. And it truly is one of the most
• 21:14
  shocking books, and I could not put it down.
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  And it's the only book I've ever physically thrown from my body.
• 21:21
  I've reached a point in that book that was like, I just
• 21:24
  didn't see it coming. And I was like, holy fuck.
• 21:27
  And I threw the book across the room.
• 21:30
  So I highly recommend Tender as the Flesh.
• 21:32
  It is extremely confronting, so you got to be emotionally
• 21:35
  prepared for it. And then the last book I read
• 21:37
  that I really enjoyed was The Ritual, which is a horror novel
• 21:42
  that a Netflix film was made of a bunch of dudes camping in the
• 21:46
  woods and bad things happen. And I'd heard the book was good,
• 21:50
  so I gave it a try and it was fantastic.
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  So. Right on.
• 21:54
  I might be the audience for this book about cannibalism because I
• 21:57
  think all the time about it. Sorry, Sorry, everybody.
• 22:02
  And I'll make a recommendation back to you really quick.
• 22:04
  My high school buddy Mark Abbott with AC Mark Marc is a prolific
• 22:10
  horror author. I can't even remember all the
• 22:12
  titles, but he's got a new one coming out and he's
• 22:14
  award-winning and and goes to all the cons and stuff.
• 22:17
  So look up Mark Abbott. He's deep, deep in the in the
• 22:22
  steeped in the history. Yeah, man.
• 22:24
  John Wisniewski, thank you so much for hanging out with Ghost
• 22:27
  Call today. Super excited about your new
• 22:29
  album Truth Paste from your band Nuclear Dudes.
• 22:32
  Looking forward to everything you have going on and hopefully
• 22:35
  I get to see you live someday. Thank you so much.
• 22:37
  Thanks for hanging out with us.