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Almost Famous In Depth: Sean and Catherine Lowe · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I almost famous in depth well.
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Speaker 1: As usual, in depths are Ashley's favorite thing to do
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Speaker 1: during the week, and this week we have two people
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Speaker 1: who really need no introduction. In fact, there isn't even
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Speaker 1: an introduction to give because they are so known, they're
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Speaker 1: so loved, they are be loved. They have been around
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Speaker 1: Batchelor nation for a bit, but that is not now
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Speaker 1: what we want to talk to Hi about. We want
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Speaker 1: to talk to him about their life post bachelor, what
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Speaker 1: families like, what they're up to, what they're doing. Sean
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Speaker 1: and Catherine, thank you for joining us, Thanks for having us,
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. We also want to talk about
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Speaker 1: pre bachelor life. Uh So we start out these in
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Speaker 1: depths basically by asking everyone just to describe their childhood
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Speaker 1: in like two minutes. Wow. Yeah, siblings, parents like what
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Speaker 1: you're like in school, the shy kid, the popular kid. Sean,
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Speaker 1: I feel like you're the job I'll start. Uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: I guess. I guess you could say I was the jock.
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Speaker 1: Raised by two amazing parents. I have an older sister,
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Speaker 1: shay Um, raising Irban, Texas, just outside of Dallas. It
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Speaker 1: was it was a great idea like upbringing Um, we
1:16
Speaker 1: always talked about schools because we have kids or starting
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Speaker 1: to get to the age of going to school and everything.
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Speaker 1: I didn't go to the best school, but I think
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Speaker 1: that helped me a lot. A lot of my best
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Speaker 1: friends came from like single family homes and things like that,
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Speaker 1: so I think it just gave me perspective which I
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Speaker 1: really still appreciate to this day. And uh, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: was always kind of the jock. Also an academic. I
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Speaker 1: was on a role too, but uh ended up ended
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Speaker 1: up going to Kansas State on a on a football scholarship,
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Speaker 1: and then I guess in my twenties kind of bounced
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Speaker 1: around jobs and then the bachelor came knocking. We'll go
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Speaker 1: to Katherine before I go about your post grad life,
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Speaker 1: because I I remember wanting to talk about that because
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Speaker 1: of your book, because I read your book five years ago.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Kavine. So mine was probably the opposite of Sean Low's.
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Speaker 1: I grew up in Seattle. I had two sisters. I
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Speaker 1: have two sisters, and I grew up next door to
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Speaker 1: five cousins and uncle and auntie and grandma. And I
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Speaker 1: think that being so close to my family it gave
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Speaker 1: me a really cool perspective, and that's kind of what
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Speaker 1: I want for our children, um, just to to be
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Speaker 1: around family and to to prioritize. So yeah, I grew
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Speaker 1: up in Seattle. I was a kid who like to
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Speaker 1: do everything. So I played football in sixth grade. But
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Speaker 1: then I was a cheerleader in high school and I
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Speaker 1: played soccer, and so I was super active and I
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Speaker 1: really wanted to try everything. And then the State's we
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Speaker 1: went to Washington State go Coogs and and it was
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Speaker 1: in the state, but it was a opposite, completely opposite
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Speaker 1: of Seattle, and what um just the environment of being
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Speaker 1: able to understand a completely different way of life. These
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Speaker 1: people were, um, you know, agg people, and they just
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Speaker 1: came from the opposite side. So it kind of helped
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Speaker 1: me adapt to Dallas because Dallas is the complete opposite
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Speaker 1: of Seattle. UM. And then after college I came back
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Speaker 1: to Seattle. I worked at Amazon as a graphic designer,
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Speaker 1: and I had a really normal, like happy, balanced um
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Speaker 1: upbringing I think. And then I went on the show,
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Speaker 1: which I didn't sign up for. Either one of us
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Speaker 1: signed up to go on the show because we were
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Speaker 1: just so normal. We didn't really think that that's like
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Speaker 1: what our life was gonna be, and we weren't really interested,
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Speaker 1: Like I wrote the bus and I wore burgen stocks
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Speaker 1: and I wasn't concerned at all about what people thought
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Speaker 1: about me, and so going on the show was like
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Speaker 1: just surreal. So that's that's Do you ever get jealous?
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Speaker 1: Um that you are close to Shawn's family in Texas
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Speaker 1: and far and the kids get to be with them
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Speaker 1: all the time and not with yours in Seattle because
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Speaker 1: Jared and I plan on moving to his home state,
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Speaker 1: and I wonder if I'll ever be like, but you know,
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Speaker 1: your parents get to say them all the time. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's totally dependent on your situation. I absolutely
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Speaker 1: love it. I feel like when we moved to Dallas,
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Speaker 1: it was a really hard adjustment for me personally because
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Speaker 1: it was one eight right, so like everything was different.
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Speaker 1: I didn't have like a stable um situation where I
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Speaker 1: was working and I was meeting people there. It was
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Speaker 1: really I was living his life, and so it was
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Speaker 1: a really hard transition. But I knew that as long
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Speaker 1: as my children were going to experience his family and
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Speaker 1: how close they were, because I can emulate somewhat closer
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Speaker 1: to what I grew up with, His family because my
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Speaker 1: family's dispersed, they're all over the world. Um, so I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't if I moved to Seattle, it wouldn't be the
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Speaker 1: same thing that I do. It's closer to what we
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Speaker 1: grow up or what my kids grow up in Dallas.
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Speaker 1: So I absolutely love it. I consider his mom one
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Speaker 1: of my best friends. And I couldn't imagine any better
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Speaker 1: way that my kids could grow up. That's so nice.
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Speaker 1: It's uh. I have a weird question for you, guys.
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Speaker 1: I've never asked this after talking about childhoods um and
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Speaker 1: we've we've interviewed a few parents, but like, what is
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Speaker 1: your childhood represent to you now as parents? And let
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Speaker 1: me tell you where this is coming from. So for me,
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Speaker 1: the older and older I get, my childhood is like
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Speaker 1: more feels like a different it's like a different life.
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Speaker 1: I've forgotten a lot of things. I know, there's things
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Speaker 1: that I've kept with me. Does that even increase when
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Speaker 1: you become parents? Like how much of time do you
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Speaker 1: think back on like what brought you up to how
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Speaker 1: you guide your kids today? I think I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of people will tell you as parents and as
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Speaker 1: you get older, even if you're not parents, you kind
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Speaker 1: of turn into your parents, so you realize the situation
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Speaker 1: that you were put in as a kid, and it
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Speaker 1: is this weird like I grew up, um looking at
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Speaker 1: my mom this way. I wonder if my kids look
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Speaker 1: at me this way? And am I creating that environment
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Speaker 1: for them? And what will I not do how I
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Speaker 1: grew up? So I think there's a lot of comparing,
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Speaker 1: and I think it does transfer for you back to
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Speaker 1: your childhood, but in a very weird different way. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of like you're looking at yourself in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: like above and saying, Okay, is this kind of how
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Speaker 1: you grew up and what do you want to shape
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Speaker 1: your kids to be in and guiding them in a
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Speaker 1: different way or in the same way that that your
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Speaker 1: childhood brought you. So I I look at it. It It
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Speaker 1: is a really cool way, especially knowing that my kids
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Speaker 1: are growing up with somebody who's who grew up very
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Speaker 1: opposite of me. So I'm trying to put in tidbits
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Speaker 1: into their life, um, how I grew up, But also
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Speaker 1: take you get to kind of pick and shoes how
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Speaker 1: um your childhood shape you and try to figure out
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Speaker 1: how to shoot your kids. Yeah that I'm constantly thinking,
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Speaker 1: you know, how did my parents handle this situation with
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Speaker 1: me when I'm trying to handle that same situation with
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Speaker 1: my kids. Um, And then my parents did a lot
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Speaker 1: of wonderful things for me, which I want to pass
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Speaker 1: those wonderful things on and create those same wonderful memories
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Speaker 1: with my kids. So yeah, I'm constantly thinking about my childhood.
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Speaker 1: But then again, I had a great childhood to think
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Speaker 1: back on. And I think you're also way more empathetic
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Speaker 1: to your parents. Like my mom raised three daughters on
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Speaker 1: a teacher salary, no partner um for the majority of
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Speaker 1: you know, for I guess half of my childhood. So
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Speaker 1: like I'm like mom and all the single moms out
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Speaker 1: there that are working. I always say like, I'm so
7:39
Speaker 1: grateful that I have a partner in this, and I
7:42
Speaker 1: just kind of have a little bit more a different
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Speaker 1: perspective on that, and I'm grateful to have a partner,
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Speaker 1: but I also feel like looking at other people's situations,
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Speaker 1: I have um more empathy. Sean Um and your Bucky
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Speaker 1: talk about like having kind of in a little bit
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Speaker 1: loss as to what to do with your life after graduation.
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Speaker 1: I feel like so many people go through that with
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Speaker 1: college like those like, you're just like, what the heck
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Speaker 1: am I doing for you? You didn't have football anymore.
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Speaker 1: You're doing insurance sales, right, I did. I did a
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Speaker 1: number of things. I've always been like a serial entrepreneur,
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Speaker 1: and so I started several different businesses. Some of them
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Speaker 1: worked okay, some of them feeled miserably. And then my
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Speaker 1: family business and my family's insurance, and so the one
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Speaker 1: that failed miserably, I was like, I cannot take any
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Speaker 1: more chances being an entrepreneur. So I got into insurance,
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Speaker 1: which I knew I was gonna hate, and I got
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Speaker 1: into it. Yes, I hated it as much as I
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Speaker 1: thought I would. Um. And then the Bachelor came calling,
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Speaker 1: and and luckily for me, post Bachelor opportunities arose that
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Speaker 1: allowed me to kind of flex these entrepreneurial muscles that
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Speaker 1: always wanted to flex. Nice. Yeah, I mean the Bachelor
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Speaker 1: came at the right time for me too, so I
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Speaker 1: get it. I had a great mentor in my early
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Speaker 1: twenties who told me you have until the age of
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Speaker 1: thirty two to kind of figure it out. I love
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Speaker 1: thinking of that tenure window during that time frame, because
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Speaker 1: when you're out of college so many people don't know
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Speaker 1: what they're gonna do with their lives. And if you're
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Speaker 1: like me, you know you want to do something kind
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Speaker 1: of outside the box, but you don't know exactly what
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Speaker 1: it is. You know, you have these entrepreneurial urges. So
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Speaker 1: I always encourage everyone, like, just go try things. You
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Speaker 1: may like it, you may not, but go try things.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to have one steady job when you're
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Speaker 1: twenty four years old. You've got time to figure it out.
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Speaker 1: And then hopefully by the time you're thirty two, you've
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Speaker 1: got to figure it out and you have kind of
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Speaker 1: a roadmap for the future. You know, you both have
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Speaker 1: been involved in a lot post Bachelor, and then you know,
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Speaker 1: obviously you've had um, you've had kids. My friends are
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Speaker 1: certain to have kids, and there's a lot of listeners
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Speaker 1: out there who have children. How do then do you
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Speaker 1: balance all of this because I think with my buddies,
9:46
Speaker 1: there in this constant balance of just trying to hold
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Speaker 1: a job with you know, three kids, four kids running around,
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Speaker 1: if you are trying to flex those muscles, if you
9:54
Speaker 1: are trying to get involved in new opportunities and cool things,
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Speaker 1: how do you find the balance between that and parenting.
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Speaker 1: It's really hard. And we we are so fortunate, we're
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Speaker 1: so blessed that we get to do things and try
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Speaker 1: things with our you know, also parenting our children. We
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Speaker 1: have a really good balance. But for a lot of
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Speaker 1: people out there, they don't have, um, the blessing to
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Speaker 1: kind of try things out and see if they work.
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Speaker 1: So maybe like having a hobby on the side of
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Speaker 1: your regular job would be really something like a good outlet.
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Speaker 1: Like I I have, um, a normal thing that we do,
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Speaker 1: but then I have a side business that really gets
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Speaker 1: me excited. And if that thing that will turn into
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Speaker 1: something bigger than maybe that will be my main So
10:39
Speaker 1: that's kind of yeah. And and practically speaking, we both
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Speaker 1: work from home. We both have great business partners who
10:45
Speaker 1: are kind of boots on the ground type of people.
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Speaker 1: And then we have a nanny that helps us out
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Speaker 1: with the kids too, so we're seeing the kids a
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Speaker 1: lot throughout the day. We're spending quality time with our
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Speaker 1: kids every single day. Um. And then we have great
10:55
Speaker 1: partners who kind of provide support on the other end
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Speaker 1: as well. M H. Then should we get into the
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Speaker 1: bachelor process right now? Yeah? You know, I think this
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Speaker 1: is all super intriguing for me because we have a
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Speaker 1: couple sitting in front of us who are terrific parents
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Speaker 1: who came from a show that we get to talk
11:23
Speaker 1: about a lot. Now, I don't I don't think we
11:25
Speaker 1: should sit on it for very long, Ash, but yeah,
11:27
Speaker 1: we gotta dive in. Okay, So you both said you
11:29
Speaker 1: didn't sign yourself up for it. You're both nominated by
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Speaker 1: other people who nominated who it was your sister, right, Sean?
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Speaker 1: My sister nominated me and then her best friend. But
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Speaker 1: explain to about Shane and Andrew. Well, I introduced my
11:46
Speaker 1: sister is married to one of my buddies that I
11:50
Speaker 1: played football with the Case State, So I introduced them.
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Speaker 1: So she felt like at that stage in my life,
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Speaker 1: she needed to return the favor, hoping by some miracle
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Speaker 1: that the bachelor would worked out And here we are.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible? Katherine? How's your how's your how did
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Speaker 1: your audition tape? Like? Do you know what your audition
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Speaker 1: tape look like? Like? Did she fill out the questionnaire perfectly? So?
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Speaker 1: When did you find out? I don't actually know. I've
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Speaker 1: never seen like what she did. I just remember her
12:19
Speaker 1: calling me and I was dating someone at the time,
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Speaker 1: and she did. My best friend did not like the
12:23
Speaker 1: guy I was dating. She was like, I think it actually,
12:26
Speaker 1: and JP had just wrapped up and she was like, oh,
12:29
Speaker 1: I want you to find your JP, and so she
12:31
Speaker 1: put she's married. She knew. She knew that I like
12:34
Speaker 1: to say yes to things because it's so fun and
12:36
Speaker 1: I wanted to spree, and so she put my picture
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Speaker 1: up in some little tidbits and she called me one
12:41
Speaker 1: night and was like, so, what pictures should I put up?
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Speaker 1: And what O men to write this? And I was like,
12:45
Speaker 1: totally disregarding what she was saying, could be completely crazy
12:48
Speaker 1: in that moment um, and I told her like, that's
12:51
Speaker 1: not my thing, Like I don't want to get drunk,
12:53
Speaker 1: I don't want to wear a bikini, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to court with some guy. I'm happy in my life.
12:57
Speaker 1: And so then three months later I get a call
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Speaker 1: and I'm super flattered, like I'm like, wow, these people
13:03
Speaker 1: actually called me, and um, I was like, well, what
13:06
Speaker 1: can an email her? Right? So I called the guy
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Speaker 1: up that I was dating still and I told him, Hey,
13:12
Speaker 1: you know the bachelors call me. How stupid? Is that? Like?
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Speaker 1: How crazy? And how ridiculous? And I was really being
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Speaker 1: negative about it, but I was still like very flattered
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Speaker 1: that they can call me, and he was like, oh,
13:21
Speaker 1: you should do it, that's what the guy said. I
13:27
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, obviously don't want to be with me anymore.
13:30
Speaker 1: And so I think that was like one of the
13:31
Speaker 1: last conversations I ever had with him, was like, if
13:35
Speaker 1: you really think that that is what I want for
13:37
Speaker 1: my life is to be a celebrity, when like I
13:41
Speaker 1: literally am living the complete opposite, like very content in it.
13:46
Speaker 1: I was like, we're obviously not aligned in this. So
13:48
Speaker 1: we I what I remember, we broke up like literally
13:52
Speaker 1: that day, um, because it just didn't make any sense
13:55
Speaker 1: if you wanted me to go find the prince and
13:58
Speaker 1: go marry him when I was dating. So I think
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Speaker 1: it's a really funny way to be um, like thrown
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Speaker 1: into the Bachelor. Do you feel like you found a prince?
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean some day I did at the
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Speaker 1: time of kidding now. He is literally I remember seeing
14:21
Speaker 1: him on Emily season and thinking like, that is a
14:25
Speaker 1: specimen that I've never seen before. And not just that
14:29
Speaker 1: he was very trafficked me. He was like a nice
14:32
Speaker 1: family guy. He seemed very respectful um to other people.
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Speaker 1: And it completely came true when I met him, Like
14:39
Speaker 1: I knew seeing him behind the scenes and having those
14:42
Speaker 1: camera times where you really aren't you're very limited um.
14:46
Speaker 1: I witnessed him like being so respectful of the crew
14:50
Speaker 1: and knowing their names and taking the time to actually
14:53
Speaker 1: talk to them, and I knew that when he did
14:56
Speaker 1: that the cameras were down, that he was a genuinely
14:59
Speaker 1: nice man who I was. I knew that I was
15:03
Speaker 1: signing up and I was continuing this very weird um
15:07
Speaker 1: situation to meet him and to be with him and
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Speaker 1: to court him. Katherine, I love that you're just like
15:15
Speaker 1: I love your like flirting style, and I was reminded
15:19
Speaker 1: of it through that Goat episode that aired a couple
15:22
Speaker 1: of months ago, because you just like look at you
15:24
Speaker 1: and you're like you are the most wonderful, beautiful thing
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my entire life. And I did
15:28
Speaker 1: the same thing to Jarry like every day, like hold
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Speaker 1: his face and like, do you know that you're a
15:32
Speaker 1: prince so beautiful inside and out, Like it just doesn't
15:37
Speaker 1: get old. And I love that you still act the
15:40
Speaker 1: exact same way. That's awesome. I could see that we
15:43
Speaker 1: parallel each other sometimes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I didn't
15:48
Speaker 1: get to like kind of see that your first time around.
15:52
Speaker 1: Actually your first time around. I feel like you were
15:54
Speaker 1: such a dark horse that we didn't get to well
15:59
Speaker 1: we certainly, I feel like didn't get to know enough
16:01
Speaker 1: about you. And when we watched the Goat episode back,
16:04
Speaker 1: I love the way that they highlighted you, the way
16:06
Speaker 1: that I feel like they should have the entire season.
16:08
Speaker 1: How do you feel about, like, I think, seriously being
16:11
Speaker 1: the probably the darkest horse winner of all Bachelor history. Well,
16:16
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean I I think I was because
16:19
Speaker 1: I really was, like I didn't consider myself a contender
16:24
Speaker 1: for probably the four first four weeks I was. I
16:27
Speaker 1: didn't not always looking at me. Um, I knew that
16:31
Speaker 1: on paper we didn't really seem like a match. And
16:35
Speaker 1: I looked at him like he was super hot and
16:38
Speaker 1: someone who could never look at me, like just that
16:41
Speaker 1: guy in high school. He was like everybody likes him
16:43
Speaker 1: and he doesn't see you. And I kind of felt
16:47
Speaker 1: like that for the majority of my life. So seeing him,
16:51
Speaker 1: I didn't really like think, oh, he's looking at me,
16:53
Speaker 1: like I know I'm here, I'm probably checking the box
16:55
Speaker 1: of the diversity, and I'm okay with that, Like I'm
16:58
Speaker 1: having a blast, like he's he's like talking to me
17:01
Speaker 1: and we're going to all places. So I really counted
17:05
Speaker 1: myself out for those first four weeks. And then when
17:07
Speaker 1: he thought I had friend zoned him and we actually
17:09
Speaker 1: shared our first kiss, I still felt those butterflies, and
17:12
Speaker 1: I also took a lot of the things that he
17:14
Speaker 1: said with a grain assault. I knew he was talking
17:15
Speaker 1: to other girls the same way, so I kind of
17:18
Speaker 1: still kept a conservative watch on our relationship and knowing
17:22
Speaker 1: my feelings could escape me, so I kind of tried
17:25
Speaker 1: to rein them in, and so I think that most
17:28
Speaker 1: of the show was me really not thinking that it
17:32
Speaker 1: was a serious thing, Like yeah, I'm like looking at
17:35
Speaker 1: him as if he's my crush, but really not more
17:38
Speaker 1: because I don't think he sees me that way. Katherine,
17:40
Speaker 1: I wanna highlight something you just said there, uh, because
17:43
Speaker 1: I think a lot of our listeners feel this way, uh,
17:46
Speaker 1: including myself. So you live most most of your life
17:49
Speaker 1: being the person that like would look in high school.
17:52
Speaker 1: You said you felt like the outsider too, Sean, you
17:55
Speaker 1: felt like you're watching him. You didn't think he was
17:57
Speaker 1: ever gonna, you know, commit to you and like see
18:00
Speaker 1: you in the same way that you saw him. So
18:03
Speaker 1: if we jump up a little bit to the moment
18:05
Speaker 1: that he did say hey, Catherine, like you're it. You
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Speaker 1: know I love you. Let's make this thing happen. Has
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Speaker 1: has those insecurities left you at that moment? Did you
18:17
Speaker 1: still have to work through those or they still lasting today?
18:20
Speaker 1: A bit? Um, I think it's even down. And I
18:23
Speaker 1: also know that throughout um the series or the season,
18:29
Speaker 1: I knew that I had a lot to offer, but
18:31
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was in like the appearance wise, right,
18:35
Speaker 1: So like I knew that I was dealing with models
18:38
Speaker 1: like these girls on our season and all the seasons
18:41
Speaker 1: are beautiful, they're studying, they could be models. And so
18:44
Speaker 1: in the sense of my appearance, I never felt super confident,
18:48
Speaker 1: and still to this day it's lingering. I think a
18:50
Speaker 1: lot of girls have um insecurities in that way still.
18:54
Speaker 1: But I think I offered a lot in another way.
18:56
Speaker 1: And I think when we were having the sis talks,
19:00
Speaker 1: I knew what I brought to the table. If he
19:03
Speaker 1: saw me and he was attracted to me, then I
19:05
Speaker 1: knew that I could really add a different element to
19:09
Speaker 1: it and not just be like, oh I'm I'm hot
19:11
Speaker 1: and look at me and all this. I knew that
19:14
Speaker 1: when we had conversations and he said, oh, I'm attracted
19:16
Speaker 1: to you, I could really talk about other things, and
19:19
Speaker 1: so we felt I felt like an equal ish to him.
19:22
Speaker 1: I felt more in line with him when he proposed.
19:25
Speaker 1: And I also knew that he was so serious about
19:28
Speaker 1: his words, and he had such conviction in the way
19:31
Speaker 1: that he felt that he wouldn't have proposed to me
19:33
Speaker 1: if he wasn't completely serious. Um So I just knew
19:37
Speaker 1: that about him, and I felt very validated in my
19:40
Speaker 1: appearance through him, and I just think that we were
19:43
Speaker 1: a really really good match. Um in and in every
19:47
Speaker 1: other way. Sean, she talks so much about how you
19:52
Speaker 1: know she felt like she was just like part of
19:53
Speaker 1: the crowd. When did you really start noticing her? Well,
19:57
Speaker 1: I knew from from night one she had to contagious energy, uh,
20:02
Speaker 1: you know, just so bubbledly and cute and like she
20:05
Speaker 1: was just one of those people you can't put your
20:07
Speaker 1: finger on it, but you know you just want to
20:09
Speaker 1: be around them. That's how I felt on night one,
20:12
Speaker 1: and so I knew I wanted to get to nowhere.
20:13
Speaker 1: And then later on in that evening, on on night one,
20:16
Speaker 1: she did this little ice cream thing where she could
20:18
Speaker 1: determine my personality by the ice cream might choose. I
20:22
Speaker 1: just I thought all of that was really cute and
20:24
Speaker 1: I loved her playfulness. Um as far as like really
20:29
Speaker 1: picturing myself spending the rest of my life with her,
20:33
Speaker 1: oh gosh, our first one on one in Canada was
20:37
Speaker 1: pretty epic, and like, I had some serious feelings and
20:40
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think when you're the lead
20:44
Speaker 1: on the show and you have twenty six women, Um,
20:49
Speaker 1: the first half of it is just spent like wow,
20:51
Speaker 1: like this is overwhelming, and you're traveling and you're doing
20:54
Speaker 1: this and that, and you're not really thinking about long term.
20:58
Speaker 1: Uh you know, could I possibly married one of these women?
21:01
Speaker 1: For me? I wasn't. I was thinking, Wow, this is amazing.
21:03
Speaker 1: We're having a great time travel in the world. But
21:06
Speaker 1: once we spent that quality time together in Canada and
21:09
Speaker 1: then we were able to spend a little time off
21:11
Speaker 1: camera as well, UM, that's probably when the thoughts of
21:15
Speaker 1: like I could really see myself with this girl wherever started.
21:21
Speaker 1: Whenever I kind of admit to not going on the
21:23
Speaker 1: show for the right reasons. I always say Sean Low
21:26
Speaker 1: didn't go on the show for the right reasons. He
21:28
Speaker 1: admits it. Can you explain that? I mean, I looked
21:33
Speaker 1: at the show. So when the casting director first called me,
21:36
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know my sister had submitted
21:39
Speaker 1: the application, and I politely told her like, no, thank you,
21:44
Speaker 1: because I would never take part in the cheesy show
21:46
Speaker 1: like The Bachelor. And I had this idea of any
21:49
Speaker 1: guy that were going a reality show like The Bachelor
21:51
Speaker 1: must be a giant goosbag because that's not me. And
21:54
Speaker 1: then before the phone she was like, well, just you know,
21:57
Speaker 1: think about it, because at the very least to could
21:58
Speaker 1: be a free vacation. So I go the following day
22:06
Speaker 1: to the job that I hated, you know, and I thought,
22:08
Speaker 1: we all a free vacation would be pretty cool. And
22:11
Speaker 1: so I totally did it for the vacation. I did
22:13
Speaker 1: it for the experience. I just thought, you know, once
22:16
Speaker 1: in a lifetime type of thing. When I'm sifty years old,
22:19
Speaker 1: I can say I took part in a stupid reality
22:21
Speaker 1: TV show and got to travel the world hopefully, um yeah,
22:25
Speaker 1: never imagining it would lead to a wife and three kids.
22:31
Speaker 1: You know, let me add to that while I'm thinking
22:34
Speaker 1: of it, the people who go on the show that
22:37
Speaker 1: are convinced they're they're nuts. Absolutely, Sean, There's there's something
22:47
Speaker 1: else that I've all I've always wanted to bring up
22:48
Speaker 1: to you. I think you changed the Bachelor in many ways. Uh,
22:52
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's one negative to how you
22:55
Speaker 1: changed the Bachelor process. But there's one that I've always
22:59
Speaker 1: that's always did to me. I remember watching your season
23:01
Speaker 1: and there's this really controversial opening scene that really highlighted
23:06
Speaker 1: who you were as a bachelor, and it was just
23:08
Speaker 1: your abs and and you're right, this may have been
23:13
Speaker 1: the turning point, the turning point, And like, this is
23:15
Speaker 1: the biggest negative to me because now every single person
23:19
Speaker 1: that comes on the show, their abs are highlighted, Like
23:21
Speaker 1: every single dude has that shot. They never had that
23:24
Speaker 1: shot with me. There's not one time in my whole
23:26
Speaker 1: season that they did a slow mo from my feet
23:29
Speaker 1: to my head, and if they did, nobody was like, oh,
23:32
Speaker 1: holy cow shot. Watching that back as a man who
23:38
Speaker 1: was a family man, who didn't go on this show
23:40
Speaker 1: thinking that you know, you would find love, that kind
23:43
Speaker 1: of thought, Hey, this could be fun and then you
23:45
Speaker 1: have to watch a slow moo of your body being
23:47
Speaker 1: highlighted on national television. How does that feel? It's embarrassing,
23:52
Speaker 1: it is. I went on that show with this like happy,
24:01
Speaker 1: go lucky, let's just have fun with that attitude. And
24:05
Speaker 1: as you know, Ben, you've become friends with the producers,
24:07
Speaker 1: and so the producers you're like, hey, let's get a
24:10
Speaker 1: shot of you taking a shower? Yeah, sure, right on
24:14
Speaker 1: ridiculous and over the top. And I wish if I
24:19
Speaker 1: filmed it today, I probably would have said, yeah, can
24:21
Speaker 1: we not do that? I can throw on a shirt.
24:23
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, I just went with it. It's like, yeah,
24:26
Speaker 1: these are my buddies, it's gonna be harmless and fun.
24:28
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. It has changed the show forever.
24:32
Speaker 1: I think that that shot has now been highlighted every
24:35
Speaker 1: single time since then, other than one season and that
24:38
Speaker 1: season twenty Um, Hey, before we get into life now,
24:43
Speaker 1: because I know there's a lot of cool things going on, uh,
24:46
Speaker 1: I would love to spend a second uh talking about now.
24:50
Speaker 1: Advice coming as a as a couple that has known
24:52
Speaker 1: that his love that has came from the show, What
24:55
Speaker 1: advice do you have for your like for anybody listening
24:57
Speaker 1: that's in a relationship to tries to make this work. Uh,
25:01
Speaker 1: have you been do you have anything special to share? Well?
25:05
Speaker 1: I think that the I think that the society really
25:09
Speaker 1: um shines like a negative light on and like makes
25:14
Speaker 1: it fun. Like I was watching Friends and their whole
25:18
Speaker 1: show is about failed relationships because of things that don't matter. Right,
25:23
Speaker 1: So like, oh, she talks too fast, You're like, oh,
25:26
Speaker 1: never mind, I'm not going to marry that person. I
25:29
Speaker 1: think that you take away the non negotiables and that's
25:34
Speaker 1: if that's what you're left with, you can deal with
25:35
Speaker 1: the other stuff. And I think a lot of people
25:37
Speaker 1: are willing to give up something that could be great
25:40
Speaker 1: for things that don't matter. Um. And I know that,
25:44
Speaker 1: you know, Sean and I are completely opposite people, and
25:47
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that he could say. He
25:51
Speaker 1: could say about me, I don't want to be with
25:53
Speaker 1: you because you're messy. Well, how ridiculous does that sound?
25:55
Speaker 1: So like I'm not perfect? Why would I put those
25:58
Speaker 1: expectations on a partner who could bring so much joy
26:02
Speaker 1: and um, challenge into my life and grow me spiritually
26:05
Speaker 1: and um, you know, just be that partner for you.
26:09
Speaker 1: So I my advice would be kind of, I know
26:13
Speaker 1: that you're not a perfect person, and don't put those
26:16
Speaker 1: expectations on your partner. Solid advice. Uh As for me,
26:22
Speaker 1: I would say, and I'm kind of echoing what she said,
26:24
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna rely on on an emotion like
26:28
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in love with this person, that
26:31
Speaker 1: will fail you because you're not gonna feel like you
26:34
Speaker 1: love that person every day. Like marriage is hard, relationships
26:37
Speaker 1: are hard, so you have to actively work and contribute
26:41
Speaker 1: to the relationship. And I have to look at Catherine
26:44
Speaker 1: and realize, like she has these needs over here that
26:47
Speaker 1: she really wants me to feel as her husband, and
26:50
Speaker 1: those don't come naturally to me, So I have to
26:52
Speaker 1: step out of my comfort zone and do what makes
26:54
Speaker 1: her happy. Um, And I think that's so important, but
26:57
Speaker 1: so many times we get caught up in our emotions
26:59
Speaker 1: and life is all about emotions. Well, I mean, you
27:02
Speaker 1: cannot be married for fifty years and just just rely
27:06
Speaker 1: on that feeling of love. And then she also spoke
27:08
Speaker 1: on the spiritual component. I mean, for us, we know
27:12
Speaker 1: that we have a God that loves us. We know
27:13
Speaker 1: that we have a God that cares for us and
27:15
Speaker 1: is guiding us and and that's our rocks. So for
27:19
Speaker 1: those of you who maybe don't know that feeling, I
27:22
Speaker 1: certainly encourage you to check it out. No offense to
27:26
Speaker 1: Ben here. But Sean, why do you think you're the
27:29
Speaker 1: only bachelor who ended up with the girl that he
27:32
Speaker 1: chose in the end. No, no offense have been of course. Um.
27:40
Speaker 1: I you know when people talk about the low success
27:43
Speaker 1: rate of the bachelor, I always come back with intended
27:49
Speaker 1: I think the success rate is crazy high, giving these
27:52
Speaker 1: circuits you're grown into and then the expectation of making
27:57
Speaker 1: it work post bachelor, and when you're being pulled in
28:00
Speaker 1: a million different directions. Most likely you don't live in
28:03
Speaker 1: the same city. You know, some person has to leave
28:05
Speaker 1: their family and their job and their friends behind like
28:08
Speaker 1: it is against you. It is so incredibly difficult. So
28:11
Speaker 1: the fact that how many people are married four or
28:13
Speaker 1: five whatever, there is more than that. And I gave
28:20
Speaker 1: all the credits capturing because she was the person that
28:22
Speaker 1: left all of that stuff behind and she's she's amazing.
28:25
Speaker 1: I think I just got really lucky. No, I, well,
28:28
Speaker 1: I disagree, But stuff that I'm saying, because the men
28:35
Speaker 1: have a harder time, for multiple reasons, for fruit for
28:39
Speaker 1: many Oh, yes, I agree with you on this. The
28:41
Speaker 1: Bachelorrette success right makes way more sense to me. Yes. Yeah,
28:44
Speaker 1: so I feel like if he's gonna give me credit,
28:46
Speaker 1: I gotta give him credit because he could have easily said,
28:49
Speaker 1: never mind, buy I'm out hot girl over here in
28:51
Speaker 1: l A that you know, I don't know you that well,
28:54
Speaker 1: Like we didn't know each other very well. He didn't
28:56
Speaker 1: have to stay with me. Um. So again it's that
28:59
Speaker 1: work hard for something that we know could be great. Um,
29:03
Speaker 1: and we both we both did that. Just to backtrack
29:06
Speaker 1: a little bit and get into that season. Sean, how
29:09
Speaker 1: did the producers not exploit the fact that you were
29:12
Speaker 1: a born again virgin? You know, honestly, they never asked me.
29:18
Speaker 1: I never asked. They never asked one time. And yeah, yeah,
29:24
Speaker 1: they knew I was a Christian, and they knew I
29:26
Speaker 1: definitely had like grounded, firm beliefs, but they never once
29:30
Speaker 1: asked me about it. I don't think it was until
29:32
Speaker 1: after the show. Someone must have known I was a
29:34
Speaker 1: Christian and asked me something related to sex, and I
29:38
Speaker 1: answered it honestly, and then just that's all anyone could
29:40
Speaker 1: talk about So yeah, I'm probably Colton probably has me
29:45
Speaker 1: to blame for his whole season being focused on that,
29:48
Speaker 1: because it's kind of annoying. It wasn't the time anyway. Oh,
29:52
Speaker 1: I know, Um, and then Catherine, if you didn't think
29:59
Speaker 1: that you were the one for so long during the filming,
30:03
Speaker 1: who did you think he was going to pick? Oh?
30:05
Speaker 1: Leslie Leslie? Because they are very similar and I want
30:10
Speaker 1: to I'm Leslie and I are very close, and I
30:13
Speaker 1: was kind of matching him up to who I thought, Um,
30:17
Speaker 1: he would like blonde hot um nice has a really
30:20
Speaker 1: good family upbringing, she likes sports, So I kind of
30:23
Speaker 1: put them like together, like obviously they would make sense,
30:28
Speaker 1: and so I had it. It's actually kind of embarrassing.
30:30
Speaker 1: There's a there's a part where she leaves where he
30:33
Speaker 1: asked her to leave, and everything about my um perspective
30:37
Speaker 1: on this whole process was shattered. I was like, if
30:40
Speaker 1: he doesn't like her, how can you need because I
30:45
Speaker 1: totally thought that they were a complete match. And Um,
30:49
Speaker 1: once that happened, I thought, Okay, if she hadn't left,
30:53
Speaker 1: I bet I would have ruled myself out and I
30:55
Speaker 1: probably would have sabotaged sabotaged myself and not been for real.
30:59
Speaker 1: And so we talked about Leslie and I talked about that, like,
31:01
Speaker 1: if she didn't leave, I probably would not have been
31:03
Speaker 1: the one. I don't know, are you giving her lots
31:06
Speaker 1: of mommy advice? Now? I love her, and I mean,
31:09
Speaker 1: if she asked me, I will absolutely give it to her.
31:12
Speaker 1: But she's such a loving person. She has a wonderful family. Um,
31:17
Speaker 1: so she knows I'm here for her. Yeah, we get
31:20
Speaker 1: the nowhere on Winter Games and then less like she
31:22
Speaker 1: came to han Duras with me a few years ago,
31:25
Speaker 1: so I get to spend a whole week with her there.
31:27
Speaker 1: She's an incredible human. Uh. Okay to close up this chapter, then, Sean, Uh,
31:34
Speaker 1: why did you want to make it work with Catherine
31:36
Speaker 1: with all the distractions going on around you? You're off
31:39
Speaker 1: the Bachelor at this point. Uh. This is the secret
31:42
Speaker 1: sauce that I think everybody wants to know and why
31:44
Speaker 1: relationships sometimes don't work From this show? What made you
31:48
Speaker 1: say no, I'm in this for the long haul? Oh man,
31:53
Speaker 1: that's a big question. I would say one like me
31:57
Speaker 1: falling in love with her on the show was very real. Yes,
32:01
Speaker 1: there were a lot of things I didn't know about
32:03
Speaker 1: her because you spent the limited amount of time together,
32:06
Speaker 1: but the feeling of love was real. I knew there
32:09
Speaker 1: was something very special about this woman, and I knew
32:11
Speaker 1: that I just wanted that, needed that in my life forever.
32:15
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, it just came down to commitment at
32:18
Speaker 1: the end, and I made a lot of dumb choices
32:21
Speaker 1: that harmed our relationship, Dancing with the Stars being a
32:23
Speaker 1: big one. You know, we just got engaged, We're finally
32:26
Speaker 1: able to go out in public, and then I spend
32:28
Speaker 1: every day, twelve hours a day dancing, Like just not
32:31
Speaker 1: a smart decision, Um, but I just wanted to make
32:35
Speaker 1: it work. And uh, like I said, I give her
32:38
Speaker 1: most of the credit because she's been incredible throughout everything,
32:42
Speaker 1: but just throughout the whole thing, we definitely had our share.
32:51
Speaker 1: We had our share of us and downs in the beginning,
32:54
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, as anyone will in those circumstances.
32:57
Speaker 1: But no, I just I never wanted to let ago.
33:01
Speaker 1: It was the I mean, it was one of the
33:02
Speaker 1: big reasons that your relationship was one of the big
33:04
Speaker 1: reasons I didn't do Dancing with the Stars, because you
33:06
Speaker 1: talked about how difficult. It was now granted it still
33:09
Speaker 1: didn't work out, but that's you know, it's still though.
33:13
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's unfair the woman. Yeah, Catherine was
33:18
Speaker 1: so excited just to be public and uh, hold your hand,
33:22
Speaker 1: wanted to hold his hand. Yeah, because you're in hiding
33:25
Speaker 1: for so long and finally we're in public and then
33:28
Speaker 1: I just you know, I I'm gonna My defense is ignorance.
33:32
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was getting myself into. I
33:34
Speaker 1: didn't know the time commitments. But uh yeah, looking back
33:37
Speaker 1: at it, it was super unfair to her. Well, and
33:39
Speaker 1: it's an exciting time, like it's a fun time, Like Sean,
33:42
Speaker 1: you're getting opportunities throwing to you that you, you know,
33:44
Speaker 1: a year before that would have never even imagined ever
33:47
Speaker 1: having come your way. Well, yeah, that that was exactly
33:49
Speaker 1: my mentality because I'm still thinking, just like on the Bachelor, hey,
33:52
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime opportunity. And I still see myself
33:55
Speaker 1: as this guy that was working this job that sucks,
33:58
Speaker 1: and then you have Dancing with the Stars say and hey,
34:00
Speaker 1: come do something absolutely ridiculous and we'll pay you a
34:04
Speaker 1: lot of money to do it. But I didn't really
34:09
Speaker 1: consider her feelings or how it would all play up.
34:12
Speaker 1: Were you telling him not to do it or did
34:14
Speaker 1: you think it would be fine? Yeah? I think I
34:16
Speaker 1: think I had my insecurities cut back in, like who's
34:20
Speaker 1: your partner and you're spending how many hours with someone
34:22
Speaker 1: that's like very attractive and you're doing sensual things like
34:26
Speaker 1: what um? But I think again both of us were
34:29
Speaker 1: naive to the fact that it took way more time
34:32
Speaker 1: than um and what was proposed and dancing, and she
34:37
Speaker 1: saw that there was nothing sensual about it. That was
34:45
Speaker 1: another worry. Yeah, you guys, yet that's hilarious and that
34:50
Speaker 1: was a concern. Well, hey, I think I speak on
34:51
Speaker 1: behalf of all of Bachelor Nation and saying that we're
34:54
Speaker 1: glad you guys made it through. Your story is one
34:57
Speaker 1: to be admired. Now we're gonna take a quick break.
34:59
Speaker 1: When we come back, we want to talk about life now,
35:01
Speaker 1: what you're up to, what you're doing, what the kids
35:04
Speaker 1: are up to. Uh, we'll come back on the in
35:06
Speaker 1: depth podcast with Sean and Katherine. So, would you guys
35:20
Speaker 1: say that dancing with the stars that period of your
35:23
Speaker 1: relationship was the most difficult. I think there was two
35:27
Speaker 1: parts of it. It was that and then we got
35:30
Speaker 1: over that hump and then literally right after the show
35:33
Speaker 1: ended and we could be ourselves. It was amazing because
35:36
Speaker 1: that's when our relationship really could start. We you know,
35:39
Speaker 1: we watched Working Bad until two in the morning and
35:42
Speaker 1: had Thai food and would wake up when everyone it
35:44
Speaker 1: was awesome. That's exactly what we wanted, but it took
35:47
Speaker 1: so long to get there. Um. And then the first
35:51
Speaker 1: year of marriage was really really hard for us, just
35:53
Speaker 1: there's so many factors that are that are thrown at us.
35:56
Speaker 1: So I think those two were super challenging. So you
36:00
Speaker 1: as were on wife Swap and marriage boot Camp early
36:03
Speaker 1: on in your relationship. Now, I know by reading fan
36:07
Speaker 1: comments that they love to think that those issues and
36:10
Speaker 1: that are highlighted on those shows are real issues. But
36:15
Speaker 1: those shows, in my opinion, are so produced and so
36:21
Speaker 1: toxic to a relationship. Um, how do you guys think
36:27
Speaker 1: back on those times and those decisions horribly? And Like
36:32
Speaker 1: I always like to use that as the perfect example
36:35
Speaker 1: when people ask me, like is the Bachelor real? Like
36:38
Speaker 1: how manipulated are you on the Bachelor? I'm like, the
36:40
Speaker 1: Bachelor is like the most authentic reality show there is,
36:44
Speaker 1: because there are other reality shows like those two that
36:48
Speaker 1: that just they're not real, They're just not they're just clownish. Well,
36:53
Speaker 1: I think that they were hard for different reasons. I
36:56
Speaker 1: think that Merge boot Camp would actually made us as
36:59
Speaker 1: a cup stronger um and spiritually, because we were very
37:03
Speaker 1: connected in that moment, like wow, it's us and then
37:06
Speaker 1: it's like everybody else and then a wife swap. I mean,
37:11
Speaker 1: it was just ridiculous. I don't I own his underwar.
37:14
Speaker 1: I don't never if did anything like. I mean, it's
37:16
Speaker 1: just ridiculous it was. But it was a challenge for
37:19
Speaker 1: other reasons. If we're being honest, it was a money grab,
37:22
Speaker 1: like of course, shoot this for a week and we'll
37:25
Speaker 1: pay you a big check, like we'll want to do
37:27
Speaker 1: with Jason and Molly, and we felt comfortable. But like
37:29
Speaker 1: after those two because they were stacked right back to that,
37:33
Speaker 1: after that, we're like, we are being more discerning. This
37:36
Speaker 1: is not okay, Like this does not very healthy, like
37:39
Speaker 1: healthy at all. I was in like I had a
37:42
Speaker 1: very bad eating thing at Marriage boot Camp because I
37:45
Speaker 1: was so stressed out constantly, Like I lost so much
37:48
Speaker 1: weight because it just was and it was not so
37:52
Speaker 1: bad and like we we ended up having friends from it,
37:55
Speaker 1: but like it was two weeks being in a being
38:01
Speaker 1: completely uncomfortable. Um, Jared and I were sort of like
38:06
Speaker 1: they were kind of asked us to do it last year.
38:09
Speaker 1: It was never a firm offer, um, but they did
38:11
Speaker 1: give us a number and we were just like, can
38:15
Speaker 1: we respond to every fan that d M S S
38:17
Speaker 1: or teats us about this show? Just I did it
38:19
Speaker 1: for the money. We did it for the money. You
38:21
Speaker 1: would have done it for the money, also for the
38:25
Speaker 1: cast that you get. So like um Ran Tristan Ryan
38:30
Speaker 1: did it and he had a wonderful cast, and those
38:33
Speaker 1: people seemed more aligned with them the people that we
38:37
Speaker 1: went on with it just it wasn't the same with us.
38:39
Speaker 1: It just wasn't really relate to so it was it
38:42
Speaker 1: was definitely more of a challenge for us. Is it
38:45
Speaker 1: as much of a challenge as parenthood. No, No, there's
38:51
Speaker 1: love and its like you can see the fruits of
38:55
Speaker 1: your labor, like truly, you're you see this child since
39:00
Speaker 1: trying to speak and was giving you a kiss and
39:01
Speaker 1: waking up with I love you, momy, Like all of
39:04
Speaker 1: this hard stuff is worth it with kids. Yeah, parenthood
39:07
Speaker 1: is absolutely crazy and a lot of times you just
39:10
Speaker 1: want to drive your car off the cliff, but at
39:13
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you kind of love the kids,
39:15
Speaker 1: so it's it's all worth it. Sean, you did a
39:18
Speaker 1: post on Instagram recently and it made me laugh because
39:21
Speaker 1: it's something that Jared and I talk about all the time.
39:23
Speaker 1: You said that you love you know, Ellie the dog
39:26
Speaker 1: and your daughter equally, because that's how you should treat
39:30
Speaker 1: your children. You spoke to Ashley what it spokes to
39:35
Speaker 1: me because we really are confused how we're going to
39:38
Speaker 1: love something more than our dog, and this happens apparently,
39:43
Speaker 1: so I have Ellie and then we had a boxing
39:45
Speaker 1: that we lost a few years ago. My dogs were
39:47
Speaker 1: my life for so long and everyone said, as soon
39:49
Speaker 1: as you have kids, your dog's gonna take a back seat. Yeah,
39:53
Speaker 1: I thought my head, and you know what, and they
39:57
Speaker 1: were all liars because it's not true. Ellie hasn't gonna
40:00
Speaker 1: backseat for nobody good. I love that job and I
40:05
Speaker 1: give her more affection now, just because I felt guilty
40:08
Speaker 1: that I've brought three other animals. It's, uh, this is
40:14
Speaker 1: this is the best So in your relationship, then, as parents,
40:16
Speaker 1: who plays bad cop, who plays a good cup I'm
40:20
Speaker 1: probably more bad cop. Yeah, I'll dish it out every
40:23
Speaker 1: once in a while, but she's primarily I'm way stricter
40:26
Speaker 1: and he It's what's funny is I think it was
40:28
Speaker 1: like the second day in our engagement. Um, we're in
40:31
Speaker 1: Thailand and we're with the producers and we're just trying
40:34
Speaker 1: to be normal and talk about things like I wasn't
40:36
Speaker 1: able to talk about wedding and marriage and kids until
40:40
Speaker 1: I knew that he actually felt the same way about me.
40:42
Speaker 1: Try to act but um, I think it's a second day.
40:46
Speaker 1: And he said, you know that you're going to be
40:47
Speaker 1: the disciplinarian, right And I thought one like I still
40:51
Speaker 1: had that. Actually I still had that really weird like
40:53
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this guy is like looking at me
40:56
Speaker 1: feeling he's telling me he's gonna be I'm gonna area
41:01
Speaker 1: like id. I was like curved it a little bit,
41:04
Speaker 1: like okay, But I knew I would be the disciplinarian
41:06
Speaker 1: because he just kind of wanted to be the fun like, oh,
41:09
Speaker 1: I want my kids to just like come up and
41:10
Speaker 1: hug me and be so happy to see me and
41:12
Speaker 1: all these things that I knew that I would have
41:14
Speaker 1: to be the strict can and that's kind of how
41:16
Speaker 1: it's gone for the most part, but he does his
41:18
Speaker 1: his share. The parenthood has to be weird. I mean,
41:23
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the life Like the season of life
41:27
Speaker 1: that you guys have been in the last two years
41:28
Speaker 1: is something that I don't know if anybody can relate with.
41:30
Speaker 1: How much of The Bachelor still influences your life today?
41:35
Speaker 1: A lot? Well, I would say, I would only say
41:38
Speaker 1: a lot because The Bachelor kind of evolved into this
41:43
Speaker 1: weird Instagram world we're into, which we're still very active
41:46
Speaker 1: doing that stuff, and so the people that watched us
41:49
Speaker 1: on TV eight years ago, we're still kind of following
41:52
Speaker 1: along with our lives today Instagram. So I'd say a lot. Yeah,
41:56
Speaker 1: and we love I mean, we love that, and you
41:58
Speaker 1: guys both know you guys love of but I'm like,
42:02
Speaker 1: you can see how people really want to support you,
42:05
Speaker 1: and so we've been blessed with the most amazing, supportive, motivating,
42:09
Speaker 1: genuinely loving um people that witness us. And we also
42:14
Speaker 1: have some level of discernment there too. What do we
42:16
Speaker 1: want to share? What seems like something that would not
42:20
Speaker 1: be okay to share for all these reasons because we
42:23
Speaker 1: respect them, and it's been genuine obviously, like everything that
42:27
Speaker 1: we do, um, has been very authentic to us. And
42:31
Speaker 1: but some obviously outliers like those shows. Uh, what can
42:37
Speaker 1: you talk to me about like the first year of
42:39
Speaker 1: parenthood and how that is a strain on a couple's marriage.
42:44
Speaker 1: I think it brought us closer or did it bring
42:46
Speaker 1: you closer? Okay, because I experienced two different things based
42:49
Speaker 1: on two different couples. Whenever I asked my parents, they're like,
42:51
Speaker 1: it was the best year of our marriage. Yeah, I
42:54
Speaker 1: think it brought us closer. When it was just the
42:57
Speaker 1: two of us in a house, both working from home,
43:00
Speaker 1: she focused all her energy on me, good or bad,
43:06
Speaker 1: so Samuel into the picture. I don't know. It was
43:13
Speaker 1: really cool to witness her as a mom and see
43:15
Speaker 1: all this love that she that she showed me. She
43:19
Speaker 1: shows even more so to our children, and I love
43:22
Speaker 1: to witness that as as her husband and as their father.
43:24
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I don't think it was all that hard.
43:29
Speaker 1: So I think pretty well, and we like to we're
43:33
Speaker 1: not type A people at all, and I think that
43:36
Speaker 1: the type of people might have had a harder time
43:38
Speaker 1: because you bring your experiences into parenthood and you bring
43:43
Speaker 1: your traditions in the way that you Like I wanted
43:45
Speaker 1: to do cloth tapers and he was like what is
43:47
Speaker 1: Like why would you do that? And like why would
43:50
Speaker 1: you do that? You wouldn't. So anyway, there's there are
43:56
Speaker 1: lots of things that you can bring in that could
43:58
Speaker 1: hurt UM if you're degrading others like oh why would
44:02
Speaker 1: you You're like continually saying, well, I wouldn't do it
44:05
Speaker 1: like that. But for us, we didn't really have like
44:07
Speaker 1: a specific way we wanted to do everything and routine
44:11
Speaker 1: all the stuff. We were really experiencing it together, which
44:14
Speaker 1: was super exciting, and we were we didn't know what
44:17
Speaker 1: we were doing, and so it was really exciting for
44:20
Speaker 1: us to to go through everything and we felt everything
44:22
Speaker 1: and we were present and we said like this sucks together,
44:25
Speaker 1: but we were saying this is great together. So I
44:28
Speaker 1: think it was just a really fun time for us
44:30
Speaker 1: and it's still continued to be because we are best friends.
44:33
Speaker 1: We worked really well together um, and we were just
44:37
Speaker 1: great partners. I think, yeah, that's something else. You're a
44:42
Speaker 1: great team at great partners at is your nutral system plan?
44:47
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about about the
44:48
Speaker 1: eating plan? That you guys have. Yeah, So I feel
44:51
Speaker 1: like for the last four years, five years, really, I've
44:54
Speaker 1: been pregnant and had babies. Like it's just been a
44:57
Speaker 1: NonStop cycle of I'm I'm now done breastfeeding. Oh, I'm
45:02
Speaker 1: pregnant again. Like it's just a constant so like my
45:05
Speaker 1: body has gone through it. And after like seven months
45:10
Speaker 1: of having a baby, like Mia, the last baby, it
45:15
Speaker 1: was just like I'm too comfortable and quarantine and all
45:18
Speaker 1: these things. I'm like, I need to lose my weight
45:20
Speaker 1: so that I could feel confident, I could be more
45:23
Speaker 1: present with my kids and not have the insecurities that
45:25
Speaker 1: I do. So like Neutra System has this really good plan.
45:28
Speaker 1: It's a partner plan that Sean Shan's always been a
45:31
Speaker 1: really good partner to me and with eating, with working out,
45:34
Speaker 1: with parenting everything. So it felt super natural to have
45:37
Speaker 1: him be my accountability partner in my Neuture system plan
45:41
Speaker 1: because he knew that I wasn't feeling comfortable. So I
45:44
Speaker 1: lost I lost six pounds with literally doing nothing for
45:48
Speaker 1: the last month of just eating Neutral System and feeling
45:52
Speaker 1: really good about their meals and because my issue is
45:55
Speaker 1: forgetting to eat and then gorging and like because I
45:59
Speaker 1: want to make a meal and I want to make
46:00
Speaker 1: a big thing about it, but I don't have the time.
46:03
Speaker 1: So it's super super easy for me to just go
46:06
Speaker 1: and grab a nutral system like meal or shake or
46:09
Speaker 1: snack and have my metabolism not go down the crapper.
46:14
Speaker 1: So it's been it's been a really really good meal
46:17
Speaker 1: plan for me because of the life stage that I'm
46:20
Speaker 1: in and having a partner that's wanting to um do
46:24
Speaker 1: it with me and we just talk about the meals together.
46:27
Speaker 1: It's really fun because I'm like, oh, what did you like?
46:29
Speaker 1: I'll order it for you again. And it's something to
46:31
Speaker 1: where I don't feel alone in it and I'm a
46:37
Speaker 1: I'm a dude who doesn't like cooking, so it's really
46:39
Speaker 1: easy to And it's also nice because like as a girl,
46:45
Speaker 1: like I don't know if if Sean's like this, Katherine,
46:48
Speaker 1: but I'll be like Jared, what's going for dinner to
46:50
Speaker 1: be like, I don't care, I'm going with anything. I'm like,
46:52
Speaker 1: all right, you think there's something specific that you're craving,
46:57
Speaker 1: whatever you want, it's like, okay, so just just to
47:00
Speaker 1: get in the microwave you you deal. Yeah, Neutral systems great.
47:03
Speaker 1: I gained like twenty pounds during the first few months
47:05
Speaker 1: of COVID and finally I just reached a point It's like, okay,
47:07
Speaker 1: I better, I better buckle down here. So I gotta
47:10
Speaker 1: sweet tooth too. They've got a ton of desserts that
47:12
Speaker 1: are great, low calories. It's just an easy way to
47:15
Speaker 1: to you know, eat healthy well. You guys are obviously
47:19
Speaker 1: great accountability partners to each other in and life and
47:23
Speaker 1: parenthood when it comes to dieting and exercise. Uh. To
47:27
Speaker 1: close out this this whole thing, Ashley always has a
47:31
Speaker 1: really fun game that she plays with our guests. But
47:34
Speaker 1: before we do, I like to do two things with you.
47:35
Speaker 1: One is ask you one final question and then give
47:37
Speaker 1: you the stage for a second. Um. But my last
47:40
Speaker 1: final question for you, is there anybody out there listening
47:42
Speaker 1: who doesn't get the following on Instagram? Can you just
47:45
Speaker 1: take a few minutes here and explain your kids to
47:48
Speaker 1: the listeners one by one? Oh man, Yeah, we're doing
47:55
Speaker 1: this together. Is that as a joint venture? I'd say
47:57
Speaker 1: a joint venture. I know you guys are busy. I
48:00
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of time left, so I
48:01
Speaker 1: want to make sure that we get this in okay.
48:03
Speaker 1: So Samuel is extremely intelligent. He's very sensitive. He is
48:10
Speaker 1: beyond obsessed with animals from day one. He's only cared
48:14
Speaker 1: about animals. And not like in a in like a
48:18
Speaker 1: fun like silly way. It's like a very focused um.
48:22
Speaker 1: He reads an encyclopedia of animals every single time. That's
48:26
Speaker 1: his that's what he wants to do. Like we're like, okay,
48:28
Speaker 1: it's quiet time. He sits in his room and lines
48:31
Speaker 1: up his animals and says, this is like the sea.
48:34
Speaker 1: And so then he reads and he's like, this animal
48:37
Speaker 1: does this, he eats this, he does he's not the
48:40
Speaker 1: same as this. So he is very intentional on his animals.
48:44
Speaker 1: And it's been a really really cool thing because he
48:47
Speaker 1: challenges us on that, like he knows that sometimes we
48:51
Speaker 1: get it wrong. Obsessed with Samuel, super sensitive, so loving,
48:55
Speaker 1: so friendly, he's never met a stranger. He crawls in
48:58
Speaker 1: bed with us every morning around for him. Yeah, you
49:04
Speaker 1: don't even realize he's in it until you roll over
49:06
Speaker 1: and you roll into him. But he's just the sweetest kid.
49:09
Speaker 1: He always says, Daddy, you're the best daddy. I love you, daddy,
49:13
Speaker 1: Like just a very very sweet uh mild mannered kid,
49:17
Speaker 1: which is awesome. Yeah, he's very sweet. Isaiah is more
49:21
Speaker 1: of a brute. He doesn't speak so much, but he's
49:25
Speaker 1: really really trying. I would say that sometimes I and
49:29
Speaker 1: sometimes I post this on Instagram where Samuel has this
49:32
Speaker 1: wealth of knowledge about things and he loves to share
49:36
Speaker 1: it with us. And so there's Samuel saying, like you
49:39
Speaker 1: a placephalist. There's a type of giant store cephalist. And
49:41
Speaker 1: then isaiahs around here like this like he's like so
49:45
Speaker 1: proud something ridiculous and not not impressive whatsoever, but he's
49:51
Speaker 1: so proud of himself. Uh. He's so sweet. He's so
49:55
Speaker 1: happy all the time. Yeah, you wake wake him up
49:58
Speaker 1: from a nap. A lot of kids will go crazy
50:00
Speaker 1: when you wake him up. Always happy, always smiling, always
50:04
Speaker 1: kissing her. He's very pink and very gentle with her,
50:07
Speaker 1: although he'll like run into something and hit his head
50:10
Speaker 1: and laugh about it like that's amazing. It's very like
50:14
Speaker 1: um a very dichotomous relationship with himself, like just I'm
50:18
Speaker 1: gonna go run into something in the wall, laugh about it,
50:20
Speaker 1: and then go really sweetly and kindly terminable history kiss her. Um.
50:25
Speaker 1: He wants to do everything his big brother does. Um.
50:28
Speaker 1: And his favorite food is sup, which makes no sense
50:32
Speaker 1: whose favorite he wanted? And then Mia. Mia is such
50:39
Speaker 1: a wonderful baby. She is so happy. She's around chaos,
50:44
Speaker 1: consoling because her two older brothers are acting like two
50:47
Speaker 1: taller boys. Um. She is she. I think she's going
50:53
Speaker 1: to be very decisive. She's very particular. She'll tell you
50:55
Speaker 1: what she likes and what she doesn't like, which is
50:57
Speaker 1: very different from the boys at that age. Loves her daddy.
51:02
Speaker 1: She's definitely gonna say daddy first. Um. And yeah, she's
51:06
Speaker 1: she's up for anything. She has gone a long time
51:11
Speaker 1: without having naps and having the right schedule because her
51:14
Speaker 1: brothers and all the things that we do interrupt her.
51:17
Speaker 1: But she's always happy and we cannot wait to see
51:21
Speaker 1: what type of person she grows. And she'll be tough, um,
51:24
Speaker 1: but she will be loved. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Well, hey,
51:29
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing all of this. Ashley has thirty
51:31
Speaker 1: seconds of rapid fire. I have one final close out
51:34
Speaker 1: for you guys. We have one minute left. Ashley, take
51:36
Speaker 1: it away. Okay, you talk about how I scream determines
51:41
Speaker 1: a person's personality. What is your favorite ice creams and
51:47
Speaker 1: what does that mean about you? It means he's kind
51:52
Speaker 1: of just like a guy's guy. In my research, I
51:55
Speaker 1: see this, yes, Um, and mine is I love the
52:00
Speaker 1: an ice cream like. It sounds lame, but I really
52:03
Speaker 1: don't like ice cream unless it's vegan. Um, you're from Seattle, yeah,
52:08
Speaker 1: or it means you don't want to have some digestive
52:11
Speaker 1: issues afterwards. As I get older, I can't handle ice
52:18
Speaker 1: cream anymore. He's ridiculous. Okay, next question, Um, going off
52:24
Speaker 1: of that, has there ever been a tweet or something
52:27
Speaker 1: that Sean has put out about your family where he's
52:31
Speaker 1: very sarcastic about it that you actually were like that
52:33
Speaker 1: cross the line. I think there was one that I
52:37
Speaker 1: was like, you need to take that down. I can't
52:38
Speaker 1: remember what it was, but he usually if it's like
52:41
Speaker 1: skirting a line, he'll check with me first it's okay,
52:46
Speaker 1: and I'll usually say, yeah, that's dumb, but whatever. Um.
52:50
Speaker 1: But he gets so much like praise for his tweets
52:55
Speaker 1: in his Instagram. I kind of like to deflate his
52:59
Speaker 1: a while. Now, why have you been off Twitter? Because
53:02
Speaker 1: it's toxic and it's absolutely depressing getting on there and
53:06
Speaker 1: just reading people yelling at each other. I was over it.
53:10
Speaker 1: I would like to get back on just to tell
53:12
Speaker 1: my little dad joke. But maybe I need to be
53:14
Speaker 1: one of those weird people that don't follow anyone just
53:17
Speaker 1: because I don't want to read the BS. Yeah, write
53:20
Speaker 1: my little jokes. I was looking through Twitter, your Twitter
53:23
Speaker 1: last night to you know, do this interview. I was like,
53:26
Speaker 1: I have been without Shawn tweets, Shawn load tweets since June,
53:31
Speaker 1: and I hadn't real psent time that bad. You didn't
53:34
Speaker 1: even notice, so you're okay. Last question is what is
53:39
Speaker 1: your favorite piece of furniture from your wayfair line. Oh gosh,
53:44
Speaker 1: there's so many. Well, the o G is our pit,
53:48
Speaker 1: the Chelsea, but I like the Vada that's mine. I
53:53
Speaker 1: like the Data. Yeah, I would have to say the
53:55
Speaker 1: Chelsea sectional, which we've deemed the pit. It's just it's huge,
53:58
Speaker 1: just like eight ft by eight feet, and it was
54:00
Speaker 1: out of the piece that launched our business, and uh,
54:03
Speaker 1: you know, four years later, we're so proud of what
54:04
Speaker 1: we've built. So it's kind of cool to look back.
54:07
Speaker 1: It started with that one piece and now we've we've
54:09
Speaker 1: got an entire collection. But if you like to nap.
54:12
Speaker 1: The looks is like the absolute Yeah, they're all big, oversized,
54:17
Speaker 1: super comfy. Check them out. They're really nice. I was
54:20
Speaker 1: looking at the collection last night. Well, hey, Katherine and Sean,
54:23
Speaker 1: we know you're busy. We know you gotta go. Um
54:26
Speaker 1: final thing to close out a five second message to
54:29
Speaker 1: anybody listening of encouragement that you guys want to pass
54:33
Speaker 1: on to any listeners. Yeah, oh man, I'm starting. I
54:38
Speaker 1: always say, oh gosh, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna start preaching.
54:41
Speaker 1: James four fourteen says life is but a vapor. This
54:44
Speaker 1: crazy world we live in will be gone in a
54:47
Speaker 1: blink of an eye. Your life is not that long
54:49
Speaker 1: in terms of eternity, so let's start looking at things
54:53
Speaker 1: from an eternal perspective. Love your neighbor, that's that's going.
54:58
Speaker 1: I feel like just I think people don't know how
55:00
Speaker 1: love they are and how capable they are of doing things.
55:03
Speaker 1: So if you're scared about doing something or you feel alone,
55:07
Speaker 1: just know that you're loved and you're capable. Guys are great. Hey,
55:09
Speaker 1: follow along with Ashley and I. This has been Seawan
55:11
Speaker 1: and Katherine on the In Depth podcast. We appreciate him
55:13
Speaker 1: a lot. We celebrate them as a family. Follow along
55:17
Speaker 1: with my league guys. Okay, you'll get it. It's easy
55:19
Speaker 1: with that. I've been been, I've been Ashley first. Catherine, Yeah,
55:25
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