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Are we optimistic or pessimistic for this AEW angle? | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #766 – 10/17/24 · Real. Guy. Pods.

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  Speaker 1: It's still welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's edition The
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  Speaker 1: Star Real Do Show, episode number seven hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 1: six for October seventeenth, twenty twenty four. Welcome to this
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  Speaker 1: week's edition of Ask Our Team You. I am one
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  Speaker 1: after the show, I am Jeff Pack joined every single
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  Speaker 1: week from my paste Only, Doctor Trey Franklin. Doctor Trey,
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  Speaker 1: did you reach your own Wressell dream?
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  Speaker 2: My friend? Oh man, I wish i'd know. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: there's a really dirty joke I want to leave in there.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know if I want to say it
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  Speaker 3: or not, but uh yeah, I mean five and a
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  Speaker 3: half hours of Wressell dream. At least it didn't end
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  Speaker 3: up wet. I guess, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very true. It did not end up in the ocean.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I assumed doctor Trey is talking about. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: one and all to this week's edition of SRTU. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get right into it. Doctor Trey was this past Saturday
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  Speaker 1: from Tacoma Dome and Tacoma, Washington, aaw Wrestle Dream recap
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  Speaker 1: and review. I hate to point this out, but I will.
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  Speaker 1: To me, it was very noticeable that they had tarped
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  Speaker 1: off a couple of the seats, Doctor Trey. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think there was a shot in the corner of
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  Speaker 1: the building where you could see the black curtain that
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  Speaker 1: was blocking the upper deck that was not filled. Again,
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  Speaker 1: this trend of attendance for aw is not great, even
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  Speaker 1: for a pay per view.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you would think with it being where it was,
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  Speaker 3: and with who's on the card and everything else, like
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  Speaker 3: they get a little closer to the capacity, that this
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  Speaker 3: might be one of those things where like, and I
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  Speaker 3: think we've talked about the past, like maybe you step
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  Speaker 3: back and go into some smaller venues just to kind
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  Speaker 3: of create that energy that you kind of feel like
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  Speaker 3: you're lacking when you're in a bigger arena. You're not
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  Speaker 3: packing it out. Maybe take a page out of the
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  Speaker 3: nxt BO book and just go, hey, we can't fill
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  Speaker 3: out ten thousand in this stadium. Maybe we go down
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  Speaker 3: to five thousand states, you know, five thousand sex stadiums.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's noticable, especially for people that look for
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  Speaker 3: this stuff. Like when you start seeing the curtains or
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  Speaker 3: the tarps, you're just like, guys, that just it makes
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  Speaker 3: it feel like you're just you know, kind of drowning
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  Speaker 3: for lack of a better turn.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's gonna be some stubbornness that's gone on with
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  Speaker 1: all the rest that may peek up and down here
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  Speaker 1: throughout the recap and this week's edition of the show,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm like getting old school Vince mc mann vibes
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  Speaker 1: from some of the management in AW lately in the
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  Speaker 1: sense of stubbornness, not all the other crap. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: to the first match here, as Brian Cage defeats Atlantis
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  Speaker 1: Junior to win the ROH World Television Championship. We both
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  Speaker 1: had Atlantis Junior in this one. This was a surprisingly
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  Speaker 1: fun match that folks should check out if they haven't already.
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  Speaker 1: I only say that because I don't know much about
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  Speaker 1: Atlantis Junior and that was a fun one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I thought Atlantis Junior. I think at last
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was a casino. Then this week I
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  Speaker 3: thought he was the son of Alanis Morisset, but neither
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  Speaker 3: one is correct. He's actually a fantastic little wrestler and
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  Speaker 3: matches like this make you kind of remember how good
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  Speaker 3: Brian Cage can be at times. Just a fun match
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  Speaker 3: and give her Brian Cage. And then we saw a
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  Speaker 3: little transition for Brian Cage on Dynamite this week, ending
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  Speaker 3: up in the Don Kallas family, so hey, maybe, and
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  Speaker 3: then announcing that he just won. He wins a singles title,
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  Speaker 3: but him and Archer after tag team titles now too,
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  Speaker 3: So a little confusing on that, but hey, good for
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  Speaker 3: him that they're actually gonna use him a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: because this is a guy that was a former t
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  Speaker 3: and a world champion and has been has fallen by
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  Speaker 3: the wayside since then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's part of the creative issues that I have
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  Speaker 1: with a w don Kallas family comes out Brian Cage
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  Speaker 1: is with him, even commentaries like well this is surprise
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  Speaker 1: Don KALs saying breaking news. Would like to see something
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  Speaker 1: maybe at the pay per view backstage vignette instead of
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  Speaker 1: just coming out there and saying, yeah, he's with the
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  Speaker 1: family now, like some sort of backstory as to he's
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  Speaker 1: there and what's what's his association with now the former
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  Speaker 1: Cage of Agony. Are they still together? Still friends? It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of weird. And a j defeats Harley Cameron. We
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  Speaker 1: did not predict this one. Harley Cameron's had some really
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  Speaker 1: good offense and looks to be a solid entering worker
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  Speaker 1: and a J has really improved since returning from stardom.
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  Speaker 1: Do't trade your thoughts on this one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my big takeaway was I can't remember
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  Speaker 3: who was I saw online. I commented on how much
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  Speaker 3: she had improved since coming back for you them, I've
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  Speaker 3: been Osprey saying how much Anna J had gotten better.
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  Speaker 2: He did say that from Japan you can catch Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so's she's really stepped your game of Harley Cameron. She's enjoyable.
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  Speaker 3: To me, this was like I looked, I watched his match,
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  Speaker 3: I went, this is gonna be a five and a
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  Speaker 3: half hour show because there's no need for this match
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  Speaker 3: to be on this show. But hey, it's a good
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  Speaker 3: showcase for Ana J and Harley on the stage at least.
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  Speaker 2: But you could have put this.
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  Speaker 3: Match on collision or rampage and saved me fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Do you claim defeats MXM col election? We both had
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  Speaker 1: the acclaiming this one. Is it weird to see a
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  Speaker 1: WWE develop gimmick get rebooted in aw with MXM Collection
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  Speaker 1: and then Rico working together as well. Does it also
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  Speaker 1: feel like the Acclaimed need a fresh coat of paint
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  Speaker 1: or refresh Maybe that was tease Doctor tre on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: as MVP hands Max cast the card tries to recruit
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  Speaker 1: the acclaimed, Anthony Bowen says, no, Max Casser, how does
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  Speaker 1: interest piqued a little bit your thoughts on this one?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I love that XM is really getting a chance to
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  Speaker 3: kind of showcase their stuff on AD because I thought
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  Speaker 3: this woul could you know, by the end of their
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  Speaker 3: run in WWE, I thought this could have been the
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  Speaker 3: updated version of Billy and Chuck, and seeing Rico paired
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  Speaker 3: with him at Wrestled Dream I thought was fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: The tie into Billy makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of those things where like every now then
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  Speaker 3: you see a gimmick that you're like, man, this has potential,
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  Speaker 3: but it just never fully comes to fruition.
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  Speaker 2: I I really enjoyed mxim so And does the acclaim
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  Speaker 2: need a fresh coot of paint? Maybe not.
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  Speaker 3: This is a little bit taken from maybe what they
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  Speaker 3: were doing with the street profits in with you know,
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  Speaker 3: Lashly and all that stuff like teasing a little friction,
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  Speaker 3: but it never comes to pass.
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  Speaker 2: So, uh, fresh coat of pain. I don't think they need
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  Speaker 2: a fresh coat of paint.
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  Speaker 3: I just think they need to get booked better because
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  Speaker 3: one month they're feuding with the Bucks for the World
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  Speaker 3: Tag Team titles, and then they're you know, basically opening
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  Speaker 3: shows and pre shows and everything else a month later.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just it's weird the the pecking order booking
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  Speaker 3: of AW at times, and I think that's why we
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  Speaker 3: get frustrated.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Doctor Trey. The next one here is Orange Cassidy,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle O'Riley and the Outrunners defeating the Dark Order in
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  Speaker 1: the Premiere Athletes and an eight man tag team match.
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  Speaker 1: We did not predict this one. Uh. The Premier Athlete
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  Speaker 1: stick of asking the crowd not to say stuck sucks
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  Speaker 1: when they want them to say Premier Athletes rule is
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  Speaker 1: very corny. Uh. The Outrunners are so much fun and
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  Speaker 1: need to be pushed more as the crowd is digging them.
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  Speaker 1: It reminds me of the ascension of the Acclaim when
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  Speaker 1: they started a breakthrough in AW as well. Those were
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  Speaker 1: kind of my notes on this one, Dot Trey, your thoughts, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My notes were basically, once again, here's a match that
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  Speaker 3: really had no bill to it.
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  Speaker 2: We're putting it on the show.
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  Speaker 3: It's an hate man tag. Do we really need this
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  Speaker 3: on Wrestle Dream or can we say this or something else?
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  Speaker 3: The outrunners are super over with the crowd. I don't
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  Speaker 3: hate the Premier Athlete stick because I do it.
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  Speaker 2: It's really easy to do. It's really easy to get
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  Speaker 2: some heat on it.
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  Speaker 3: But once again, just going off of what we saw
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  Speaker 3: at this show and then what you see on Dynamite,
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  Speaker 3: the Dark Order here are booked as heels, but yet
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  Speaker 3: they're coming to the defense of AW on Dynamite a
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  Speaker 3: few days later, like have Like this just illustrates once again,
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  Speaker 3: like guys have a plan when you're doing stuff like
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  Speaker 3: this and go, hey, they were just bad guys three
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  Speaker 3: days ago. Now we're featuring them as good guys here
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  Speaker 3: coming to save a like for one.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just glad they remember who the Dark Order was
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  Speaker 3: and put them on the show because I love Redolds
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  Speaker 3: and Silver. I think they've been the most underutilized tandem
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  Speaker 3: and AW for five years now, so I just wish
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  Speaker 3: they would use it more and in better positions.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, because yes, on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: they're acting as baby faces. On Saturday Night they're acting
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  Speaker 1: as heels. Sidebar if you saw dynamite Doctor Tred. Did
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  Speaker 1: you see John Silver chase the Blackpool Combat Club pickup
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  Speaker 1: truck and the crowd laugh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because for one can he could he even get
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  Speaker 2: inside the truck? I mean, I love Silver Bay's a
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  Speaker 2: little short.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was That was strange. All right. Now let's
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  Speaker 1: get to the main card here. J White defeats Hangman
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  Speaker 1: Adam Page. We both had Adam Page in this one.
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  Speaker 1: J White needed this win over Hangman to re establish
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  Speaker 1: himself as a world title contender in AW. I love
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  Speaker 1: that they focus on Hangman's knee and it played a
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  Speaker 1: big role in the decision for this match. This is
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  Speaker 1: the type of match that AW needs have a competitive
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  Speaker 1: top of the men's card, so they have a top
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  Speaker 1: of a competitive top of the men's roster card. This
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  Speaker 1: was a great opener, Dog Tree, your thoughts here is
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  Speaker 1: j whit to feed teng Man on a Page?
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  Speaker 3: A great match, great opener. J White needed to win.
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  Speaker 3: These are all things you said. Really enjoy the match.
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  Speaker 3: I do like that it kind of you know, it
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  Speaker 3: was Hangman's knee that kind of did a man and
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  Speaker 3: not some you know, chicanery, some kind of dirty tricks.
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  Speaker 3: My only issue with this is Swerve is scheduled to
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  Speaker 3: appear on this show at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely is.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the man that burnt down your house and
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  Speaker 3: dropped your head on a cinder block, and you're not
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: coming out for this match. Like that drives me nuts
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: because like once again, like you're basically the baby Faces
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: basis saying that guy whopped my ass and burnt my
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: house down, I got nothing new with him that.
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  Speaker 2: It just stuff like that makes no sense to me.
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  Speaker 3: So great match, It's just I wouldn't even have Swerve
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  Speaker 3: appear at Wrestl Dream. I would save him for Dynamite
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  Speaker 3: just for that reason, because to me, if I'm sore,
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: strickling and that man burnt down my house and dropping
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: my head on a cinder block, I'm still coming for
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: revenge if I know he's in the building.
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  Speaker 2: And they didn't do any of that. So that was
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  Speaker 2: my one knock on this match.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was something I noticed, is like all I
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: could think of was on Dynamite when they did the
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: backstage segment with Nana and and Swerve and then send
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: him the match for Shelton Benjamin in two weeks, I
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: was like, how is he not going after Hangman right now, like,
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  Speaker 1: how do we in a normal sense do we just
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: like forget Okay, I lost, I took the l I'm
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: gonna go into retreat mode. I mean that's not good
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: for a babyface in a from you know, go they don't.
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna get the revenge against the heel, so
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: they're just are they pausing this this feud? I mean
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: it just that that blue my mind, Doctor Trey. So
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: it's funny that you brought that up. Something that found
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: funny as well on Dynamite. I don't know if you
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: noticed this during the main event match Jay White taking
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: on Christian which he lost. Jay White, but at some
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: point Kip Saban comes up on the apron and you
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: hear Christian Sell say not now fuck And at that
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  Speaker 1: point Hangman came down to do the spot. So the
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: trigger must have been in that match. I'm gonna go
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: in the corner, do the spear, you get up on
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  Speaker 1: the apron. Once you go up on the apron, that's
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: gonna be the trigger for hang Matt Out in Page
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  Speaker 1: to come down. Kip Sabing like retreats hang out on
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  Speaker 1: Page hides and then they run the angle as the
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  Speaker 1: way it was supposed to be their spot, like three
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  Speaker 1: to five minutes later. But it's funny you broughtup the
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: swerve of strickling stuff. And I hate to call out botches,
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: but I actually found that botch on Wednesday night very funny.
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  Speaker 3: So I I hate sometimes we call out botches because
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: like stuff like that, when you're you're basically doing looking
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: for a physical queue. I actually had the same thing
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  Speaker 3: happened my first match back after my foot surgery at
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: Spartan Jims're Wrestling, where we had called for me to
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: interfere in the match towards the finish, and it was like, hey,
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: when the guy goes to top rope jump up, he's
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: you know, Barry's gonna distract the ref.
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  Speaker 2: You push him off. Well, the guy with the top
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: rope to.
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  Speaker 3: Do a different move, and I didn't know he was
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: doing something else, so I end up doing the same thing.
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: I jumped up too early. I ended the match way
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: too soon. So stuff like that where you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the corner for the spear, you
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: might go to the corner thinking for something else, but
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: the guy who's looking for the physical queue doesn't know
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: that and it throws the timing off. It's just weird
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: that we've had two kind of big mistiming things in
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: the last two. Like last couple weeks we saw it
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: with Raquel Rodriguezrie Ripley lived Morgan match a couple of
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  Speaker 3: weeks ago, we see it on Dynamite.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it is really kind of hot.
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  Speaker 3: Shows you how hard it is sometimes to do the
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: timing on these things to get him just right. And
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: how many times do we not say anything because it
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: came off perfectly. So it's just like those rare occasions
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  Speaker 3: where the timing is off U something like that just
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  Speaker 3: makes it look horrible. Uh So I don't get mad.
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: I can't hate on those guys. But it was funny
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  Speaker 3: when Christian we see Christian go not now fuck all right, shit,
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  Speaker 3: let's make it work. So that is kind of funny.
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  Speaker 2: Though.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like calling out Botch as well. I
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: just thought it was a very very funny, honest reaction.
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Next match here is Marian Made defeating Willow Knight and
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: Gale will retain the aw Women's World Championship. We both
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: in Maria, Maine. This one it feels like the aw
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: AW Women's World Championship and Ryan Mayer and a holding
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: pattern until Tony Storm returns television, which I imagine as soon.
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  Speaker 1: Will is a great opponent from Marie, but I wish
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  Speaker 1: aw would pull the trigger on her and give a
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: Night and Gale an opportunity to run as the AW
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: Women's World Champion, because she really deserves it based on
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: her organic climb in aw Dutch trait your thoughts on this.
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  Speaker 2: One, Yeah, I'm.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel about Willow, like I
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: like her and like the few with Statlander, I felt
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: went a little long, and then she's just cast in
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  Speaker 3: this role all of a sudden, Like I mean, she
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: is still the CML Women's Champion, so she has some credibility,
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  Speaker 3: but it just feels like when you got you know,
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: a Soriah, you have Jamie Hayter making her return, you
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: have all these other women that we featured. To me,
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: I still feel like right now the Women's World title
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: is secondary to the TBS Championship, just based on who
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: holds these belts.
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  Speaker 2: I think that kind of.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: Hog ties the division, so to speak, Like the TBS
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  Speaker 3: title should be like your Intercontinental Women's Championship, And I
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: just kind of feel like the two champs are cast
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  Speaker 3: in different spots right now. But the match yourself was fine,
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  Speaker 3: and I like Mariah May, I like Willow Nightingale. I
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  Speaker 3: just for some reason, like this just didn't connect with me.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't connect with me either. It was uh,
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  Speaker 1: it was strange booking, and it's just been strange but
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: lately for the women's division. Jack Perry defeats Katuro Shabada
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: to retaining the AWT and T Championship with Jack Perry
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  Speaker 1: in this one, I thought it was an awful finish
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  Speaker 1: and bad booking. I don't know if that was done
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: to protect Shabata, because it made no sense. He has
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: the choke hold Autumn. Jack Perry does the smart thing,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: leans back bridges one, two three. They did not follow
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: that up on Wednesday's Dynamite, which I thought was strange
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: because if you're Shabada, wouldn't you be like I had
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: you and we should be having a rematch. The post
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: match stuff with Daniel Garcia making the save to confront
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Jack Perry made sense. The postmatch stuff with MJF confronting
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: and taking out Daniel Garcia made sense. The postmatch stuff
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: with Adam Cole returning walking out of the Babyface tunnel,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: making the safe for Daniel Garcia and attacking MJF made
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: no sense at all and is why I have issues
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: with AW creative. The last time we saw Adam Cole,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: he was a hill being taken out by a returning
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Babyface MJF. That made sense because it was the first
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: time they saw each other since World's End. This stuff
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: made no sense at all, and it's hard to make
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: sense of unless Adam Cole turns here heel relatively soon.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Doctor Tray lots to unpack here. Jack Perry defeats Kato
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: or Shabbata.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so what I didn't know that much about New Japan.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: All I'd heard about was what a badass Shabbata was.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: And then unfortunately he got hurt, had take time off,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: and now he's back and I don't think the AW
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: has done him any favors in his booking since he's returned.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: He had the Pure Championship for a little while.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Outside of that, I like, this guy was supposed to
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: be like a legendary badass in Japan and you're losing
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: to Jack Perry like in in I don't know, I'm
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: frustrated with that part the the sequence of events, Perry
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: winning flucishly great, but not following it up sucks. Garcia
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: coming out makes sense. MJF coming out makes sense, Adam
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Cole coming out in theory makes sense.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: But it's you.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: You flipped MJFT heel, so you make Adam Cole baby
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: face for no reason. This guy was the devil not
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: too long ago, and now he's come at the baby
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: face tunnel and telling, you know, the undispewed Kingdom to
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: stay back.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: He's got to handle this.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, we saw Roderick Strong shaking
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: hands with Hook a couple.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Of weeks ago.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Like, I I'm just I don't know where any of
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: these pieces fit. It feels sometimes like they took a
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: jigsaw puzzle and just dump it out and they're just
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: making corner pieces fit into the middle and some subs
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: just drives me nuts. But on paper, I can see
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: where they were going. But as wrestling fans, we're following
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: the storylines and we're like, he was just a bad
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: guy a few weeks ago, or and he was a
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: good guy and now they switch. But it's it's so
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: convoluted at times it just makes my brain hurt.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the last three times MJFF and Adam Cole
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: were on the same television screen December twenty twenty three,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: World's End, Adam Cole turns, heal, takes out MGF. M
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: jeff's out of commission for several months. Adam Cole is
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: a heel on the screen. MJF returns, a double or nothing.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: MJF takes him out. He's the babyface. Adam Cole continues
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to go through his injury from September twenty twenty three
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: at Grant from Grand Slam. This like fluke inkle injury.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: The third time they're on television together, MJFF is a heel.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Adam Cole returns and he's a babyface, takes out m jeff.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: It's terrible booking. I mean, that's just and this is
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the thing I said at the top of the show
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: where it felt like Vin mc mann stubbornness booking. That's
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: what it feels like to me. It's like, aw's like,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: we we really wanted to do this few there was
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a fluke injury that screwed everything up for our end
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: of the year plans. This is gonna be a major storyline.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: We still want to run this. The guys want to
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: still run this and this is what we're gonna give you.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: It's it's bad. I mean, I don't know if they
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: didn't they didn't know Adam Cole was coming back anytime soon,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and they turned MJF Heel as quickly as they did
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: over the summer. Okay, I get that. But if they
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: knew Adam Cole was going to be back in the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: fall and they were going to run this back and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: that was the planet like May twenty twenty four, double
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: or nothing, then why turn MGF heal at all at
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: that point? Like, let it run its course the way
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: it was the last where it was left off. You know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: they did that angle reportedly a double or nothing because
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: they wanted to close the book on that chapter and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: it was like, listen, everything got screwed up. We're gonna
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: move forward. This is how we're ending it and carry
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: these guys a different way. It's obviously not happening. Adam
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Cole was the devil, He's the top heel in the company.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: While hurt, he's intermittent on television because of the injury,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: they reportedly couldn't travel his running mates. The Undisputed Kingdom
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: are running his heels. I liked that he mentioned it
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: in his promo, like, I love you guys, but I
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: want to do this on my own. He comes out
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: for the safe for Danielson at the end of the show,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: which we'll obviously talk about. There's just so many things
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: that don't make sense about this Doctor Trey. I watched
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: this happen and I'm like man Tony Kahan, Aw creative
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: MGF who reportedly wanted to do it, Adam Cole, whoever,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: like there are some stubborn people that are have lacking
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: patients here to let these things play out, work your
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: way back to it and have some fun with it
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: for the fans. This shotgun stuff, I mean, this is
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, you brought up Swerve and Hangman Adam Page
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: earlier on the show. There's some stuff later on we'll
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: bring up. We talked about the Dark Order working his
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: heels at the pay per view, working his baby faces
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to defend Aw's honor on Wednesday. I mean, what the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: hell are they doing, man? I mean, how it's getting
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: difficult to support this show when they do shit like this.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at the very least.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen them do very like a ton
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: of babyface versus babyface matches, heel versus heel matches. What
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: you do here is you just still have Adam Cole
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: come out the heel side and just be like, look,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I'm still an asshole, but I hate that some of
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: a that's more so. Look I'm still a jerk, but
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: he's a bigger jerk, and so you still keep him
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: kind of as a heel and then organically transition him
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: to babyface instead of just shoving it down our throats
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: and going, wait, now he's a nice guy when like
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: the last time we saw him he was a jerk
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: and mistreating Wardlaw, who we haven't really seen since. Like,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: there are ways of doing this way more subtly and
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: letting the crowd decide as opposed to just just flip
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: flopping back and forth like a politician trying to win
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: an election. I mean, it's ridiculous, how much I mean,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: you feel like whoever booked big show in WWE is
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: booking aw because there's so many people flip flopping every
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: single week that you can't keep track, and that's why
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: some of the fan base has matriculated away.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: It's very funny you said that because That's all I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: can think of is that segment was playing. Now I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: was like, this is some big chew stuff like as
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Paul White sitting back their going like yeah, no, you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: could do it. That happened to me so many times,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Like it's just it's absurd, it's really really really absurd booking,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and I thought that this was the last short go
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: here has been very strange, like Aw's like, fuck you guys,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: this is how we're gonna do it, and you're gonna
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: like it or not, and this is why their business
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: is suffering right now because of shit like that. Canos
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: get Takeshka defeats will Ospray and Ricochet in a three
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to a match to win the AW International Championship. We
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: both had will Ospray in this one. I'm happy for Takeshka,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: who is a great wrestler that has deserved a championship
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: in AW for some time. The upside of Kyle Fletcher
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: is very exciting, especially with him turning out to Ospray now. However,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like Ricoshet has played a bit player role
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: in AW since coming over from WE as he has
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: had some strange booking since making the move over. Maybe
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: this result was to get the title off Ospray and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: give him some time in a feud with Kyle Fletcher
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: before something big takes place. In twenty twenty five, Ricochet
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: has his sights set on the International Championship. According to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that backstage interview segment you have with Renee on Dynamite,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on this one, Douc trace Keashka is the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: new AW International Champion.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Is it weird that this match made like Ospray even
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: more because I Ospray took the loss and I was
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: looking at going wow. I mean, if they're like I
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: literally thought it was last week when they we were
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: putting the show to we're putting the preview and prediction
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: show together. I was like, well, if if Takeshka gets
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: the belt, obviously Ricochet would take the loss. And that way,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: you know, Ospray could come back and be like, well
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I never lost.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Is you didn't beat me?
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: And it made me like Ospray more than he's like no, no,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: have me go under. I can move on to Kyle
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Fletcher and then you can do Takeishka and something else
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: and we can always circle back to me and Ricochet.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I like that respect more. The Ricochet booking.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Honestly, we've we've talked about this for probably three years,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: ever since Danielson and Adam Cole and Miro and all
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: those guys first made their way over to AW. The
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: ww guys when they come in and everybody craps on
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: aw Son and these guys, they get featured very prominently
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: for like the first month, and then a lot of
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: them just tread water in their time in AW. So
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not really surprised at the booking because you know,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: what are you.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Gonna do, Like, I mean, are you gonna have him?
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Are you gonna have Ricochet jump up to the top
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: of the car, you got him stay around the osprey level?
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Like where are you putting him? So I'm not surprised
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: at the booking. Is just you know, if you're Ricochet
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: and you're like, hey, you guys told me I was
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: gonna be main event type guy. But yet I'm not
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: really in a few with anybody, and I've been here
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: a couple of months now, Like it's a it's gotta
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: be a little frustrating. I am happy for Takeshika, like
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: the dude's fantastic, one of my favorite wrestlers to watch.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Even that little bit of promo time he got during
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: the press conference on Dynamite, I thought was good.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: He just comes across as a total badass, and those
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: are the kind of guys that you.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Go, yeah, I want to I want to boom when
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: he's a heel, and I want to cheer form when
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: he's a good guy. So there's a ton of upside
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: in Takeshka. I mean, the guy literally could be Aw's
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Okata in a couple of years and be like the
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: feature guy on this program because he can do everything.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: So I'm really happy for him. Uh.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I'm looking forward watching Ospray and Kyle Fletcher aka Aw's
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: eminem because that blonde hair freaks me out every time
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I see it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: But I'm happy for those guys.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I just I feel for Ricochet because you're like, what
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: do you do with him? If Ospray's feuding with Fletcher,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: you put him in there with Takeishka. Are you gonna
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: take the belt off Takeishka right away, or you're gonna
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: have Ospray or you have Ricochet lose to him and
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: move Ricochet as something else.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Like I would have loved to see Rikoshet come out
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: for the save at the end. Of that show and
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: we didn't see it, and that didn't make any sense
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I would have loved to see Ricochet come out there
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: against you know, Claudio Moxley and and Pak, and we
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: didn't get that.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: There's a lot we'll talk about in regards to that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: as well. In regards to Ricochet here, I felt like,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: again stubborn booking everything we saw. When the report started
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: coming out that Rickoche was gonna be leaving wwfare All
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: leave Wrestling, they started teasing Ospray and Ricochet. Ospray and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Ricochet that was the dream match. He joins at All Out,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: All In, and he gets the match with Ospray in
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: like five weeks, Like they completely shotgun it. They don't
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: build towards it doesn't take place at the pay per view,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: They do it on the five year show, and I
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: just felt like they checked that box to make the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: fans happy impatiently, or make those two guys feel happy impatiently.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Like it reminds me on if you compare it on
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the W side of things, I feel like Bianca Babe
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: bel Air and Jade card Gill are a match that
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: once Jade came over, I was like, Oh, this is
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: gonna be a WrestleMania match, and that was like the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: vincick Man style of booking. She shows up at the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Royal Rumbolden two months later she's wrestling Bianca bell Air
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and that's the build up. They do it at WrestleMania,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: so forth and so on. It feels like the Triple
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: H regime is like, no, we're gonna let this breathe
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and there's a pairing. They work together,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they're a tag team. You started to see a little
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: bit of the Cracks on Monday's Raw where Jade car
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Gill they did a double team move and she accidentally
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: does the Dominator to Bianca Bella Air as the opponent
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: rolls out, and maybe that was a little bit of
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: foreshadowing and what's coming here in the coming months between
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: those two that leads to a WrestleMania forty one match
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: between Jade card Gill and Bianca Bela Air. And that's
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the situation I'll compare it to. It's just like AW
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: is doing everything that they hated and said that they
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: wouldn't do, where it was like this Vince mcman style
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: of booking, and W is doing what we wanted AW
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to do with longer term storyline, character development, and great
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: ring stuff, very very strange times, and yeah, there you go.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I think we've we've beat that dead horse as much
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: as we can. Holograham defeats The Beast Mortos in a
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: two out of three falls match. We both had Graham
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: in this one. I have appreciated the slow build of
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Hologram in AW, but I also feel like we were
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: getting very close where they need to do something with
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: him soon, something with substance, maybe a feud, maybe a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: title match. We need something, a match that catapults him
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: out of like, oh, he's got some really good, solid wins,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: but is he a star. We need to see a
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: match where he becomes a star, or a feud where
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: he becomes a star, title match where he becomes a star,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: something soon. The Beast Mortos is definitely a favorite of
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Tony Khans because he is showcased on AW television a lot,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and rightfully so, because he's extremely talented. Sidebar, very funny
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: moment on Dynamite Beast Mortos watching the match with the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: rest of LFI and he's in some sort of colored
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: golf shirt with his mask on. I found a lot
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: of humor in that, I'm like, they just can't put
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the ring stuff on him, like he he just dresses
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: like you and I, but he's he's a beast. Doctor Trey,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on this one as Hologram defeats the Beast Mortos.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm watching this match and at times I had
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Glacier Mortis flashbacks I got. I like, to me, the
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Hologram build is similar what we went through with Glacier,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: whereas like you got a lot of hype, you got
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: some early wins, but is or any substance behind us
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: And You're absolutely right, like we got to see him
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: move into something where you start to see some character.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: You start to see really what this Hologram character is
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: all about. And that's what WCW failed with with Glacier.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, ray Lloyd wasn't the best wrestler in the world,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: but there was something there we saw with Mortis also,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: like there's we saw more to Mortis down the line
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: that we ever did with Glacier. That's where I'm at
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: with Hologram in the Beast Mortals where it's like, all right,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: these guys are cool, they have great characters. We just
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: need to see some depth. We need to see them
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: get into something meaningful. I mean, we've seen Mortis take
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: out a bunch of people randomly, we saw them take
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: out Ricochet randomly, Like I just need something to sink
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: my teeth into where I can really get behind them
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: as full fledged characters and not just cool gimmicks.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: So I did like that they did exactly kind of
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: what I.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Said last week, where I wanted to see Hologram take
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: a loss without actually losing a match, and they did that,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: so that was great. But once again, this to me
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: like a two out of three falls match with really
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: no build.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Like two to three.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Falls is usually trying to end a feud or a rivalry,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: and this was kind of a kickoff to one. So
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't really understand the match type itself for this,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: other than to maybe show the fans that, hey, Hologram
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: can get beaten, but he's still technically undefeated because he
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: still won the match overall. But overall like, fantastic entering performance.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Just I need a little bit more for these guys.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Darby Allen defeats Berdie King in the next match. Here
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: we had Darby Allen this one, Birdie King landing in
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the steel steps perfectly was an insane spot. I feel
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: like Darby and Brody are aw's version of an ow
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: insane match of feud as when all else fails, just
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: go to Darby and Brody one on one. The handshake
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: post match was a nice touch to help elevate Darby
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: some more post pay per view and a single's berdie
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: King run. I would totally get behind Dot Trey your
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: thoughts on this one.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Brody King.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I've liked him since the first time I ever saw
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: him and pedeap like the dudes just he can do everything.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: He's a little bit like uh to me, Like when
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I watch him, he reminds me of Eric and Ivar
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: from the Viking from the War Sorry, the war Raiders
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: again now that he can just do a little everything,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: and he's so damn good in the ring, And you're right,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: like watching these guys fight is always fun and entertaining.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it is just kind of out of nowhere.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: We've seen Darby get, you know, lose to Jack Perry,
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: lose the mocks, and then come back and beat Brody
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: King and get a handshake afterwards, So I get what
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: they're doing. They're trying to, you know, show the roadblocks
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: the bumps in the road for Darby to eventually get
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: back up to challenge Mocks down the line. But to me,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: at this point, with Sting kind of being gone, Darby
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: should almost become an unofficial member of the House of
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Black and that way he's got some backup that kind
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: of fit his gimmick and it makes sense. So the
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: handshake maybe some foreshadowing to him aligning with Malachi and
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Brody and Buddy down the road if he has to
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: feud full fledge with.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: The next match. Here is the Young Bucks defeeding Private
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Party to retain the AW World Tag Team Championship with
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: both of the Young Bucks in this one. For all
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the bad things that we point out about Aw's creative
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I do have to say I've enjoyed the build a
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Private Party over the last month. Zoning in on Private
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Party not capitalized on the initial victory of the Young
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Bucks following episode number two of AW Dynamite has been
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: well done. Has given part of Private Party and edge
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and has made fans give a damn about them. Private
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Parties are very talented tag team that hope continues to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: earn chances for these spots moving forward. They should be
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: considered a team that could win tag team goal in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I may be biased on this Doctor
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Tray because I am a private party fan, but I
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: know you and I I think have different on this,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: but I have enjoyed Private Parties build over the last month.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Let's say you on this match.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wrestled Dream kind of changed me on it a
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: little bit because you know, for weeks all we saw
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: was them kind of get they won a match, but
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: they're basically getting their asses hand to them by you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: by the BCC, so on one hands, Like, yeah, you
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: guys are getting some wins, but if you're getting your
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: butts kicked you know everywhere else, are they really quality wins?
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: This match kind of, you know, showed a little more
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: that edge, showed a little bit more that they're not
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: just you know, MX sam on for urban kids. I
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: guess I don't know, like I like them more coming
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: out of this than I did going into it. And
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: you know, them being one of the teams that are
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: helping Combat against Blackpool Combat Club makes sense. So this
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: match kind of won me over on their elevation, so
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: to speak.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Next match year is Mark Briscot defeating Chris Jericho to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: retain the ROH World Championship, but we both had Chris
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Jericho on this one. I love this result so much
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: for Mark Briscoe. I don't think I ever thought I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: would see the day where Mark brisco a future Hall
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: of Fame tag team specialist, would defeat Chris Jericho, a
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: future first bout Hall of Fame World Champion, on a
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: pay per view. Jericho helped elevate Mark brisco as a
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: top baby face in AW following this win. Mark Briscoe
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: has had an organic following right now and that could
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: really grow further or if AW can help piece it together
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: for him, they will have a rematch at this Wednesday's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Dynamite in an r o H style match known as
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: ladder war. Maybe this is the time because I still
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: feel like Jericho with the championship going into death before
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: dishonor which I think is that a December pay per
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: view is something that could be a real possibility. Dutch
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: tray your thoughts on this one as Mark Briscoe gets
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the victory.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, super happy for Mark brisco.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Just a really fun match and I thought Jericho, look,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Mark Briscoe is maybe one of the most underrated wrestlers
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: in the world like he can once again kind of
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: those guys gonna do every He can brawl, he can fly,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: he can he can get technical if he has to.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Dear God, go back to that dog color match him
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: his brother. He is FDR he can go hardcore. It's
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: it's very similar to the Jay Uso stuff we see
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: in WWE. A guy that known as a tag team
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: wrestler with his brother kind of breaking out for different
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: reasons obviously, but kind of getting over with the crowd
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: organically and and you know, the company taking notice and going, hey,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: we got to do something and push him.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I hate that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: They're doing Ladder war match because that just makes me
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: feel like Big Bill and Brian Keithero get involved and
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: cost brisco the match. But on this on this stage
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: and getting this win is great for Mark Briscoe because
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: it also shows you can move him on to other things.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: And I kind of think we're seeing that with you know,
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: the stuff with you with the Blackpool Combat Club.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Next match here is the main event. It's John Moxley
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: defeating Brian Danielson to win the aw World Championship. We
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: both had John Moxley in this one. Doctor Trey. I'm
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: not sure what to think about this one. The ending
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: had its good moments and bad moments. Moxley defeating Danielson
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: by a choke out anti climatically was strange. The crowd
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: reaction wasn't great, and I'm not sure if that's because
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: they were shocked, didn't like the ending, or both. It
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: was reminiscent of Wrestlerinny thirty, Lessner and Undertaker to me
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: in a way smaller venue. It took the rest of
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the baby Faces outside of Darby, Private Party and Jeff
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Chair way too long to make a sensible save hell.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Even Jim Ross said on commentary, what took you so long?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Despite all that, the ending makes sense to help elevate
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Darby Allen In some other new faces like Orange Cassidy Hooked,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Daniel Garcia, etc. As the Babyfaces of AW have to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: fend off the Blackpool Combat Club if they are still
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: called that. They were referred to that on the pay
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: per view and on Dynamite. You just turned, despite being
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: easy to predict, made sense, and how conflicted he was
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: he was the one screaming just stopped moving to Daniel Bryan.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I think on commentary they said it was Darby Allen
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: was actually Yudah, and it left the door open if
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and when Danielsen returns for part time run. I feel
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: like we're gonna nitpick this a little bit, Doctor Trey,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on this one.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I thought the match was fine. I didn't hate it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't love it.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was kind of what I would
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: expect from these two guys. The ending, yeah, I don't
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: know if I would have had Danielson kind of just
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: pass out from the submission. I think I would have
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: wanted to see a three count instead of just that.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: It kind of you could kind of have a come
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: out of Noe, like not so much out of nowhere,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: but kind of like almost like a mercy killing type
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: thing where he keeps getting up, he keeps getting up,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: he keeps getting up, and finally you get one you know,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: final move to put him down. And I think that
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: would have accomplished a little more than just the random.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: You know, choke out pass out. How are you gonna
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: call the finish?
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the ending was weird, like like we kind of
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: saw the Uda turn coming. I did like that you
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: to use Danielson's own move against him, because I feel
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: like that can kind of carry over for when Damson
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: finally does return. But yeah, like if if you're the
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: baby Faces and there's Darby and there's you know, private
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Party and Jeff Jarrett like out there, why does it
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: take the rest locker room so long? That's always one
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: of my things, like if if you're a good guy,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: you should have a lot of friends and they should
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: come out faster to help you, And that didn't have
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: And I'm still kind of confused about the Duffel bag
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: for the title belt, like are we just not going
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: they don't acknowledge it, like he's a champion, but we're
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: not going to see like why is it a double bag?
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's I'm giving them a little bit of
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: leeway in a sense of I kind of want to
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: see where this keeps going before I pass final judgment
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: on it, because on one hand, it could be really good.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: On the other hand, it could easily turn into new
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Blood versus Millionaire's Club. And That's kind of where I'm
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: teetering on it right now, where I'm seeing all these
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: fresh young faces coming out to fight the good fight,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: but it could turn ugly really really quickly if it's
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: not put together.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Properly.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's my concern, and I think this will
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: kind of bleed in a little bit too what I
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about in regards to this match and
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: some of the things that carried out there. You know,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I was trying to give aw the benefit of the
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: doubt during DYNA on Wednesday night, Like the beginning the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: show opened up with a really good segment, which they've
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: done lately with Blackpool Combat Club, Like those segments with
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the music behind it and like different camera shots I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: think have been very very well done. And then I'm like, man,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: we're forty five minutes in a nine of mine and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: nothing has happened yet with the Blackpool Combat Club on
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: anything that's being followed up. I think it was around
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: literally the halfway point of the SHEW, just before the
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: first hour closed out, that they came out and fought
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the baby Faces and it was top Flight in Action
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and Dretty, it was the Dark Order, it was Private
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Party and Daniel Garcia, and all I could think of
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: was like, so you got orange casting there, Darby Ellen,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: They're saying is selling an injury. Wor's hook hook was
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: part of that, Like, why is any back out there?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I would have liked to seeing a little bit more
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: toying from the young Bucks being very conflicted, or at
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: least something on commentary where they acknowledged they were conflicted,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: because it looked like that they were. It looked like
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: they were conflicted. It looked like Ocada was conflicted. But
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Jack Perry talks about of it. They go in the
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: back and there's a backstage segment there, and I was like, also,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: where are some of the top babyfaces and all this?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Where is Swerve Strickland? Like, why would if Swerve knows
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: what's going on backstage? He's a former AW world champion,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: believes in ANW Why isn't he out there? Where was
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Adam Cole? I don't think Adam Cole was in that
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: segment on Dynamite, but he was at the end of
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: wrestled Dream. It just it seemed strange, Doctor Trey. It's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: like it reminded me of WCW when the nWo would
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: beat up WCW, and they beat up mostly like the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: jobbers for the most part, or they would completely beat
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: down a baby face they were trying to get over,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if any of that was like accomplished.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe Orange Cassidy was accomplished there. And then
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to your point the Duffel bag, I kind of like that.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, where's this duffle back thing going? Is it?
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: The duffel bag is going to be handed off to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Seane McMahon. Shaye McMahon's behind this entire thing and he's
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: the one that's trying to take over AW, and they
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: handed him in the duffel blag. They didn't have the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: duffel bag with him. They had a suitcase and I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: think Nigel said on commentary that he assumed that the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: championship was in the suitcase, which was a very very
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: thin suitcase. It's it's a whole bunch of stuff here.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I'm optimistic, but I'm also pessimistic because I thought that
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the Elite storyline from four months ago with Jack Perry
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and Ocatta taken out Tony Kahan was going to lead
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: to big things over the summer and it didn't. And
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that was like a takeover of AW. So here we
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: are again with another takeover of AW and the guys
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that were trying to take back their company, the EVPs.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Are they going to turn babyface at some point? Do
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: they agree with what the Blackpool Combat Club's doing, Like,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: what's their role in this? If they're going to be
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: out there? Is there something more? It was weird, Doctor Trey.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah what I'm watching this stuff?
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Like I get frustrated because, Okay, so we had hooked
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: like what two weeks ago, trying to find out who
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: took out his dad. But then he's out there fighting
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: the Blackpool Combat Club. But meanwhile, Swarz Strickland, who was
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: the team captain of Team AW at Blood and Guts,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: is not out there for aaw And like you said,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Adam calls out there for Russell Dream, but he's not
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: out there for this. And then it's just, you know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: like the one thing WW does really well right now
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: is they don't leave loose strings out there for people
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: like us to nitpick at. Typically over here, it's just
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: afraid rug At times, there's so many loose strings that
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: you don't see the full picture of what they're trying
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: to build. And then all of a sudden it comes
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: together and you're like that didn't make any sense, Like
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: you still have this and this and this and this
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: and this like where like you know, we we have
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Christian Cage walking around that still has a contract for
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: a world title shot, but you know he's not with them,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: he's not against them. But then you got the stuff
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: with him and Hook and then I'm like, there's just.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: So many.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Moving parts that it just sometimes it doesn't make sense.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Like I did like the Jack Perry line of him
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: saying no, no, not now, let's go like a little
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: bit of that, because you saw a little bit of
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: confliction stuff. But for the most part, yeah, you're in
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: the same You're like, okay, now if we get the
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: bucks to flip, now, we gotta.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Like them being the EVP characters. Like some of the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: stuff doesn't kind of fit.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: And then I feel like they just go, let's shove
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: it in the like rick It like I said earlier,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: like Rickochet, shit been white people out there, Like you're right.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of when nWo would just go beat
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: up the Cruiserweight Division, you know, like, oh my god,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: they're beating up poor Silver King. You know, it's like,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: do I care that they're beating up Silver King? Do
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I care that they're beating up you know, Diablo number four?
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Do I care or no?
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: It's like we're being but a lot of guys that
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: either A don't make sense to be in this or
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: B haven't been around back enough for me to care.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Like the only person in that.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: In that beatdown that I have an affinity for right
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: now is Orange Cassidy because at least he's been here
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: the entire time.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Garcia just came back. You know.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: It's like, hey, by the way, I signed my contract,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get my ass kicked by the Black
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Boole Combat Club that it just didn't make sense to me,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: But I'm giving them a little bit of time to
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: win me over, just because on paper it could be
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: really really good. Because you and I both love good
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: invasion angles and really in the last in our lifetime,
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: we've only seen the nWo one be good and that
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: turned badly. I mean, Aces and Eights and Immortal and
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Fortune and TNA those never worked out very well. The
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: WCW Invasion in WWF never worked out well. Like we
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: love invasion angles and and as wrestling fans, we we
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: we are like praying to the wrestling gods that we
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: finally get a good one.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: But we've only had one in our lifetime, and I
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: don't know if they can ever be duplicated.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all I could think it was during the segment
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the close of Wreussell Dream and for Dynamite. If if
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Brian Danielson is so well respected, if people love AW
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: so much, where where's FTR? Where's the outrunners, where's the acclaimed?
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Like how are any babyfaces in the backstage that are
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: allowing that to happen? They're just sitting on a monitor,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Like what are they doing? They eating and catering, They're
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: taking a crap, Like, what's what are we doing here?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Are they playing video games? It just it doesn't make sense.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in FTR was feuding with the Blackpool
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Combat Club just a couple of months ago.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: They were on Team AW.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it wasn't that long ago that we saw
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: people feuding with with Blackpool Combat Club and none of
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: them are the ones coming out Like we saw House
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: of Black Hat a run in with with Blackpool Combat
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Club not too long ago, and they're not out there.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: And Darby shook Brodie's hands, so you would think that
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: they would be somewhat on the same page. And it's
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: just once again it's like like.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Who in the back's not doing anything right now?
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Oh dark order, Hey, you guys go out there, silver
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: chase the truck for crying out loud.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: You know there's a girl out there.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Why isn't Willow out there trying to take down Marina Shafear?
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: You know like that, there are things that would make
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: sense that they don't do. And then this is why
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: people like us go. Man, I just you're almost you're
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: pessing like you're seeing this big angle potentially get built,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: but they failed on so many other big angles over
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: the last year and a half that you and I
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: are just going, oh, it could be good, but it's
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: probably gonna suck and we're probably gonna hate it, and
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: it's probably gonna be the one of the final nails
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: in the coffin if that's the route they're going. Because
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: we at least we know they got three years to
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: make this stuff work. We got three more years and
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: hopefully they can figure this stuff out in the next
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: three years.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: That's that's all I can say right now.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all very very very strange. Again, it makes
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: any baby face in the back stage area look very
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: very weak that they did not go out there. So
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: it's we have to see, uh, one last thing. I'll
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: bring up your doctor Tory backsage segment Dan Garcia a
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: private party talking to the elite there young Bucks Jack
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Perry would to set up their match. I think it's
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: either on collision or Dynamite, I can't remember, but you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: it's like, how did you guys allow this to happen?
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Your EVPs? They are like brushing off their bushing brushing off.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: But there's this line from Nicholas Jackson at the end
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and he says all in due time, and I'm like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: are they turning? Baby face? Like why would he say that?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I thought that was that was not a throwaway lay
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: throwaway line in that segment that I thought was like
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: a very big deal where he said in due time,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: all in due time, of like, how are you guys
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: not defending? Aw? Maybe they're linking up with one another,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought that was an inner line well,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: and I.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Took it as we see what's going on and we're
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: kind of like Heels always do law.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Heels always known for doing long term planning. That's the character.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Like you think of all your great villains, they have
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: this long drawn out plan so I can look at
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: and go they're crappy characters when he says all a
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: new time, like, we're not gonna run out there and
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: get our asses kicked. If we're gonna do something to
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: take these guys down, we have to kind of plan
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: it out a little bit more. And plus, you know,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: once again, Matt and Nick aren't the biggest guys in
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: the world. So yeah, I'm hoping that you know, for
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: all the foreshadowing that WW does that you and I love,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: I hope this is a little bit of foreshadowing for
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: something we can always go back to. Yeah, because it
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: links up to what Nick said way back here about all.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: In due time.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: So once again, maybe I'm giving them a little bit
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: of leeway that maybe there actually is a plan in place,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: and when it comes.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: To layout, you and I'll be like, damn, they did
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: a really great job here.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: It's just that you know, they're their track record isn't
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: so great in these type of situations.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: The firm a lot of things. I just feel like
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: there's like a ball yarn right now in front of
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: our fiend in there, like, all right, let's say pull
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: this apart and see if we get to something good.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: So just wrapping up, are you optimistic or pessimistic for
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: this angle.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: I think I'm optimistic just because, like I said earlier,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: you and I, for god, I remember being seven.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Years old and going through the PW you.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Know, the Pro Wrestling magazine is going, oh, how great
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: would it be of NWA wressell WWS. And we have
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: been longing for great invasion angles and takeover angles our
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: entire lives, and like I said, we've only gotten.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Really one good one.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: So I'm optimistic that maybe we can go look at
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: all the pitfalls of bad invasion angles and try to
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: avoid those and have one good one. Plus, I don't
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: know if Max would get involved in something like this if.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: He didn't have a hand in kind of planning it out.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: And you have a lot of guys that have experienced
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: with Bullet Club TAKEO, we're in New Japan, WWE stuff
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: that could put together a good plan. So I think
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: I'm cautiously optimistic, which is always one of my favorite
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: go tos here on the on SRTU.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Makes you really wonder if there's actually McMahon helping with
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: k with creative and aw lay with some of the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: stuff that's going on pay per view Prediction Record.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, doctor try, I say don't forget Shane's kind of
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: the ones that pitched with the twenty four hour Wrestling
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Marathon supposedly at.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: One point, well, I know he pitched like putting himself
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: as a high top competitor in the Rumble A couple
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of years ago. I did not know the twenty four
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: hour Wrestling all right payvview prediction record. We both went
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: seven and four. I'm one, twenty four and thirty four
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: in the year doctory one, thirteen and forty five. Match
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: of the night and event rating. I gave it a
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: three point five. I did not like this show at all,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: and my match of the night was Jay White Hangman Page.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had. I had Jay White Hangman Page.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Also, I was a little higher, I think three point
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: seven for me because there were a couple of I
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: always go if there's something memorable, I'll cling to it.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: The Hangman Jay White match was really great, and then
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: to close the show for better for worse will still
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: stand out to me, So I was a little bit higher.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I gave it a three point.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Cent all right, doctor Trey, let's talk about that result there.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: So John Moxley is the one that ends the full
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: time wrestling career. Of the one and only American Dragon,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Brian Danielson, according to reports which I will bring up
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: here now. Fight Full Select This also comes to us
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: from Wrestling has reported that Danielson specifically wanted it to
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: be Moxley who ended his farewell title run. Per Fightful,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: the American Dragon went into the bout with a series
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: of legitimate injuries which led to him second guessing his
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: decision to work the three matches leading in a ta
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Coma event, which is the tag team match against alongside
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: wheel Yuter against the bcc A title versus title match
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: with Kazisko Ocata, and a nine non title match with
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Nigel McGinnis at Grand Slam also notes that Danielson had
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: legitimately been working without a contract for the past few months,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: something Daniels than mention before challenging Swart of Strickland for
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the title at All In, and he's effectively a free agent. However,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: fight Full says AW hopes Danielson will stay around the company,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: wrestling periodically and resuming other duties when he's ready to
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: do so. Danielson himself said he would need to get
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: his neck traded first, likely with surgery. I Love Brian
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Danielson Doctor Trey, but it just felt like an interview
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: is everything that he was saying. He was not lying.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: He was like a broken down car to get into
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: this match. Your thoughts on Danielson wanting to drop the
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: title and to Moxley and for Moxley to be the
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: one is is that the right call or does it
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: matter since that's what Danielson wanted and he deserves that right.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to fault him for wanting to
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: drop the bell to mox Is.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: The amazing thing to me is if you go back
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: to when the Blackpool Combat Club was formed, Danielson and
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Moxie I both said they weren't really that close when
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: they were both in WWE, but they've gotten super close
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: since they got to AW So, you know, it's kind
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: of like if samdy Zay was a champion and wanted
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: to retire, he wanted to drop the belt to Kevin Owens.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I can't fault a guy for wanting to drop the
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: belt to somebody that a you're close with MB you
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: feel can do a good job for the future of
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: the company.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: So I don't have a fault with that.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: I don't even have a problem with him wrestling those
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: matches because I mean, hell, he got to wrestle Nigel.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Did we ever think that it would happening?
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: End?
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: No, he got to wrest Slokatah was the.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Stipulation kind of stupid, yes, but he got to wrestle Okata,
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: he got to have one more match with you know,
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: with you to Claudio and Pak.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I mean those are people, So I don't fault him
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: for doing it.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I'm fine with the direction they went here because I
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: mean Danielson has kind of earned everybody's respect.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Over you know, his career. So this is if this
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: is if this is the shield he wants to go
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: out on.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Uh And I'm using that term ironically because apparently the
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: last three people he wrestled on Raw was seth Rawlins,
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: on SmackDown with Ruman Reigns, and on AWS John Moxley.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: If that's the way he wants to go out, I
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: can't fault him for it, And I give him all
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: the credit the world for trying to limp to the
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: finish line here.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I as a fan, would have liked
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: to see it get dropped to like a younger talent
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: help elevate them. But I can understand the creative behind this,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: and more importantly, this is what Danielson wanted. He deserves that, right,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: This is what he wants. This is who he wanted
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: to drop it to. This is who he wanted to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: defeat him, and he felt that this was the best
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: thing that could happen for AW. So maybe if you're
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: someone that is sitting on the pessimistic side of things
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: in regards to this angle that's playing out with Moxley
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: and the bcc TA trying to take over AW, maybe
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: this has changes to optimists because if Danielson want to
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: do this, maybe there's some good stuff coming up that
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: we just don't know as Restlin fans. It kind of
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: gets AW back in the swing of things.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Switching gears to the WWE Doctor Trey. We saw on
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Friday's edition of SmackDown that Jimmy Usso told Roman Reigns
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: that they need help after being beat down by the
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: New Blood Line. He furthered that on Monday by trying
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: to talk to his brother Jay Usso. Jay doesn't want
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: anything to do with them. This is what we've been
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: calling for. I'm starting to get excited, are you? Uh?
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Because on paper, this is what we all want. We saw,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: you know, the Rock comeback. Now we're seeing Jimmy try
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: to recruit his brother Roman kind of not wanting to
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: do it because Roman knows he's not to apologize and
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: that's not the Roman character. So I'm excited for because,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is kind of the match we've all
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: been wanting to see since the New Bloodline FOURM was
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: New Bloodline versus O G Bloodline, and.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: It feels like we're headed that way.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: It's just it's gonna be fun to see how much
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: groveling Jimmy and Roman have to do. And plus, I
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: don't know about you, watching Jimmy and Roman on SmackDown
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: and kind of embracing the baby face side's fun. Like
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Jimmy doing the whole like hand out for the mic
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: thing and like all that stuff is really fun. So
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: we're gonna see different size to these characters that we've
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: seen for three and a half years be just egregiously jerks.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Now we're gonna see that that fun side come out
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: a little bit, and it makes it for more entertained television.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Another angle that's playing out really well on WWE television
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: right now is Kevin Owens, who took out Cody Roads
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago after the pay per view
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: he took he takes out Randy Orton on SmackDown after
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Randy had an inverted elbow to the head of excuse me,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: he took an inverted elbow from Owens and then he
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: hit Owens and that led to the backstage segment while
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: they were trying to talk it out. Owens posted this
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: video on social media, his social media, you know, saying
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: that WWE's tried to silence them. He tried to release
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: a video on Mondays. Rather they did not air. He
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: is threatening to air the video on to social media
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: if they don't airn on SmackDown. Owens is like his
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: characters turning to this like quasi conspiracy theorists. You know,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: they are holding me back or silencing me type stuff.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: And it reminds me of Kevin Owens in the two
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: thousand and nine to twenty eleven run of ROH where
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is the guy that can
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: really sink his teeth into this type of stuff and
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: make it feel real. He's making it feel real. It's very,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: very fun. If you're a longtime fan of Kevin Owens,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: like I am. You should be excited, doctor Trey. I
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: hope you are as well, because I'm digging what is
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: going on right now with his character.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was funny because he's doing this character and
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: the immediately think the conspiracy thing. I thought it was
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Sammy's am. Right before Sammy joined the Bloodline, Sammy was doing.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: The conspiracy thing. I also love I don't know if
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: he knows this. He's wearing a dusty road shirt and
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I love that because it kind of feels like, you know.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: For conspiracy theorists out there, it's like, well, maybe he's
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: plating out the fact that maybe Cody is kind of
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: actually a complete and total jerk, and eventually leads to
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Cody's turning heel at some point down the line and
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: find out that Kevin was right all along. So I
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: love these storylines like this because they can go in
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: so many different directions and it's just waiting to see
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: how it plays out. It feels like you're reading a
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: book or watching a good movie. You don't know really
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: where it's going to go. That's just great television.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: So I love that stuff.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. I'm very very excited to see
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: where things go. Here and then the last thing I
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: want to bring up is PW I announced the top
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: ten women for pwi's Women's To fifty list for twenty
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: twenty four. The top ten is as follows. Number ten, Athena,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: number nine, Ryan May number eight, Willow Night in Gale
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: number seven, Bailey number six, three, number five, Stephanie Vakor
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: for Maka three, Ria Ripley, two, Jordan Grace and number
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: one Timeless, Tony Storm, Doctor Tray. Some notables that did
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: not make the top ten Yo Sky at thirteen, Live
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Morgan at twelve, Roxanne Perez at eleven, Becky Lynch at seventeen.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Your thoughts here on the top ten list and some
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: of those that missed the top ten.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: I don't hate this list as much as some other
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: people did, Like I look at it and go okay,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Like I saw some people going like, I can't believe
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Ria's not number one. I'm like, well, she did miss
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: a few months, and the people that were one and
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: two were there for longer.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Like I thought Live was a little low. I thought
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: I thought I would have.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Live in my top ten. Seeing Willow above Mariah May
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: was a little weird, but they at least they're close,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: So I didn't really hate their top ten as much
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: as a lot of people were kind of flaming it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty accurate.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can move a couple of people around
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: a couple of spots, but I thought overall the top
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: thirteen were probably as close as you're gonna get.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: So there you go. That is the top ten list
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: from the PWY Women's Top to fifty for twenty twenty four,
• 59:31
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