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As losses pile up, are Twins looking like trade-deadline sellers? · Twin Cities Territory

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Speaker 1: Oh, a bad couple of days for the Twins as
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Speaker 1: they're losing streak hits four games, all of the losses
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Speaker 1: pretty deflating and lacking any sort of punch from the
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Speaker 1: Twins as they now are four games under five hundred
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Speaker 1: again forty nine and fifty three and fading in both
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Speaker 1: the AL Central and the AL Wildcard race, raising all
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Speaker 1: sorts of questions about what this team's going to do
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Speaker 1: ahead of the trade deadline. This is Twin City's Territory
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Speaker 1: Your Minnesota Twins podcast here on the Foul Territory Network.
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Speaker 1: I am Zach Pierce of the Athletic joined by Dan Hayes,
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Speaker 1: the Athletics, Minnesota Twins beat writer, and Tyler Duffy, longtime
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Speaker 1: Major leaguer and former Minnesota Twins pitcher. Guys, no other
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Speaker 1: way to put it, just a bad stretch of baseball.
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Speaker 1: Twins have been outscored thirty four to nine since Saturday.
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Speaker 1: The bats haven't been there, usually reliable starting pitchers have
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Speaker 1: not performed. We'll get to all that here in the show.
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Speaker 1: But Dan, Dan's had a front row seat to this
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Speaker 1: whole losing st week. What's what's it been like to
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Speaker 1: see Dan?
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Speaker 2: Mh Wow? Yeah, wow, in a bad way.
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Speaker 3: It's just been like the first three games were just
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Speaker 3: non competitive. They you know, Taj Bradley got hit hard
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Speaker 3: on Saturday uncharacteristically you're going for a series win. You
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Speaker 3: follow that up the next day and the blowout. Struggled
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Speaker 3: and yeah, what what was that?
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Speaker 2: Do not do that again? Please?
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Speaker 4: Do you have the phone vertical?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I do have the phone vertical. Yeah. I don't think
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Speaker 2: there's anything we can do about that.
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Speaker 1: All right, we're one shot, We're not We're not gonna
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Speaker 1: shot today, all right, Yes.
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Speaker 2: Good to know.
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Speaker 3: No, Zebbie Matthews struggled and was just you know, I mean,
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Speaker 3: it was terrible.
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Speaker 2: Saturday. Sunday was terrible. That was just defeating. They come
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Speaker 2: here Monday.
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Speaker 3: That's the eye opening one where Joe Ryan gives up
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Speaker 3: six home runs and you know.
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Speaker 2: I knew it was a franchise record.
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Speaker 3: I did not know until Zach just showed us a
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Speaker 3: few minutes ago that that was the most home runs
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Speaker 3: surrendered by any pitcher in baseball history, and that there
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Speaker 3: are twelve guys have done that. But that was just
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Speaker 3: it is, and it's not a club that you're trying
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Speaker 3: to get into. It's not the one you're it's not
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Speaker 3: the one you're standing outside of and trying to tip
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Speaker 3: the bouncer to get into that club. You are trying
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Speaker 3: to tip the bouncer to keep you out of that club.
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Speaker 2: Just really like uncharacteristic for Joe.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny the Houston start that he'd gotten
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Speaker 3: all those unearned runs, the earned runs charged unearned runs
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Speaker 3: that took his era down by half a point. Well
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Speaker 3: that half point went back on their eight runs. Six
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Speaker 3: homers just looked out of sorts, and it kind of
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Speaker 3: was fitting because that's how the Twins have looked last night.
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Speaker 3: Not quite as out of sorts, just still sloppy. A
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Speaker 3: few missed plays.
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Speaker 4: Here last night, so that's good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were for they were winning for two and ins.
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Speaker 3: And and I will say like I was struck after
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Speaker 3: the game that we walked into the clubhouse and there
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Speaker 3: was some conversation going. There was life in there, no music,
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Speaker 3: but there were guys like it wasn't quiet, it wasn't
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Speaker 3: like a morgue or anything like that. It was actually
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Speaker 3: somewhat active, which made me think, I don't know what
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Speaker 3: they took from it, but that they were engaged and
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Speaker 3: they weren't like hanging their heads the way they pretty
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Speaker 3: much had been the previous three games.
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Speaker 2: So maybe this was we didn't get our.
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Speaker 3: Asses kicked as bad kind of loss, and they were
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Speaker 3: like reacting to that, but it wasn't as quiet. So
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Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of that. I just
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Speaker 3: know this is four games at the worst time for
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Speaker 3: the for the Twins to show the front office what
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Speaker 3: they're about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of it from these
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Speaker 1: four games. And we mentioned the Joe Ryan six homer
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Speaker 1: outing on Monday, but I'll just show it on the
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Speaker 1: screen for those watching on YouTube. One of twelve players
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Speaker 1: now to have ever allowed six homers in a game.
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Speaker 1: No one's allowed more. Seven of them have happened since
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Speaker 1: two thousand and four, and the other five are all
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Speaker 1: between nineteen thirty and nineteen forty, so he's just the seventh,
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Speaker 1: seventh and sort of the modern era of baseball. And
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Speaker 1: my favorite part about this graphic is that Tim Wakefield
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Speaker 1: did it in August two thousand and four, and it's
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Speaker 1: still got the win. Five innings pitched, six homers allowed.
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Speaker 1: But the Red Sox went to town on Detroit that day,
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Speaker 1: Sports Reference dot Com with the stats, Thank you to them.
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Speaker 1: But Tyler, like, what do you make of it? I mean,
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Speaker 1: obviously sometimes people have bad starts, but that was historically rough.
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Speaker 4: It was an interesting one.
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Speaker 6: Like I'm very obviously like wasn't sharp, you know, so
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Speaker 6: whatever led to that Dan hit on. You know, he
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Speaker 6: may not have been able to throw his regular side
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Speaker 6: in between because of the All Star Game.
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Speaker 4: You know, pitching in that game is great and it's
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Speaker 4: something you want to do forever. It's you know, you
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Speaker 4: grew up wanting to do it.
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Speaker 6: Hindsight, Joe probably wishes he had done a little something
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Speaker 6: else in between outings. But you know, it's one to
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Speaker 6: I think sounds like the vibes haven't changed.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 6: The guys are they know what's going on. They're not
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Speaker 6: paying again, you know that. It's like he said, it
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Speaker 6: wasn't like a morgue.
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Speaker 4: It's it's just.
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Speaker 6: A little rust that I think he had his velo
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Speaker 6: is down. His location wasn't very good either, you know,
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Speaker 6: and they're the Guardians almost misspoke. The Guardians have a
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Speaker 6: few lefties. They have a big lefty that he's hit
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Speaker 6: two balls now that were like I height for home runs.
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Speaker 6: And I don't know if Cleveland's got yet.
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Speaker 4: It's a big it's a newer kid.
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Speaker 6: I don't know his name, but he so I believe
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Speaker 6: in Minneapolis in the last two I think he hit
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Speaker 6: a ball up there as well. And Chris jian Menez
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Speaker 6: was actually talking about it on the Cleveland broadcast. You know,
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Speaker 6: they had the machine set up on the field, you know,
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Speaker 6: probably to be at Joe's slot and release height, you know,
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Speaker 6: to mimic him correctly, and it looked like they had
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Speaker 6: done some work and it paid off because they.
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Speaker 4: Weren't getting fooled by much.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 6: Granted, when you miss meddle with everything, it tends to
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Speaker 6: go far, you know, and that's just kind of part
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Speaker 6: of baseball. But some of those pitches, especially the ones
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Speaker 6: that were elevated, you know, the ninety two to ninety
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Speaker 6: three miles an hour at the top or above the
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Speaker 6: zone that they were just squaring up. Like Rokio's ball,
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Speaker 6: I believe was like a top corner of the zone
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Speaker 6: inside to a lefty and he just clipped it. And so,
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Speaker 6: you know, I think Joe had a little rust, a
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Speaker 6: little lack of sharpness, but I think Cleveland came out
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Speaker 6: ready to face Joe Ryan, and they nailed their scatter report.
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Speaker 6: You know, it happens. Balls don't normally leave the yard
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Speaker 6: like that. That's, you know, thely of it. You know,
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Speaker 6: could have they have been four doubles and two homers
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Speaker 6: in another park maybe, but you know, it's just one
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Speaker 6: that you gotta just flesh that one, you know, as
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Speaker 6: Tory Hunter, I remember saying when I first got up,
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Speaker 6: it was you know, flesh it.
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Speaker 4: You got another game tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 6: In Joe's case, he's got to start a few days,
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Speaker 6: so he'll have to chew on that one for a minute.
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Speaker 6: But I think he comes out guns blazing after this,
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Speaker 6: after a normal week and gets back into his routine.
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Speaker 3: He he definitely asking around afterwards, was like, was there
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Speaker 3: any tipping going on?
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Speaker 2: No, there was no tipping going on.
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Speaker 3: Was there asking about why he didn't make the start
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Speaker 3: or why he didn't throw a bullpen?
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Speaker 2: After the All Star Game?
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Speaker 3: Sounded like a long week and physically just wasn't a
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Speaker 3: down spot where it was like, hey, we can get
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Speaker 3: through this. But it certainly made a difference, and I
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Speaker 3: think some of the loss of velocity. Look, you're already down,
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Speaker 3: You're getting your butt handed to you. Joe Joe Very's
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Speaker 3: velocity a lot, and and you could probably tell there
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Speaker 3: was some letdown because that's the guy that gets amped
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Speaker 3: up and can can jump it up there.
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Speaker 2: But also it doesn't shock me that he was down.
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Speaker 3: In the ninety one ninety two range in that last
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Speaker 3: couple of innings, because you know, I mean, he's down
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Speaker 3: five nothing, he's down six nothing. You know, it's you're getting.
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Speaker 6: The vilas, were all getting similar. Everything is kind of blending.
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Speaker 6: It was just so weird, that was what I noticed.
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Speaker 6: There wasn't a big separation, and they looked pretty comfortable
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Speaker 6: in the box, and you know that's never a hitters
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Speaker 6: are just up there like it's a Sunday stroll in
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Speaker 6: the park.
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Speaker 4: You know, it's you don't want.
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Speaker 3: That, yeah, No, And and I mean Cleveland has been
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Speaker 3: opportunistic in this series.
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Speaker 2: We saw it in last night's game.
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Speaker 3: Kendrew Rojas gets ahead of Stephen Kuan, And that's been
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Speaker 3: one thing that I've noticed this whole trip is a
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Speaker 3: lot of two strike pitches being deposited. Rojast gets ahead
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Speaker 3: of Kwan, and granted, Kwan gave him a great at
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Speaker 3: bat in the first.
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Speaker 2: Inning, Kwan was like a ten pitch of bat and.
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Speaker 3: He flew out, but Rojas left a slider on the
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Speaker 3: inner half. You could see Jeffers wanted it away and
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Speaker 3: it's just like on the edge inside ninety five. And
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Speaker 3: someone on social media said, man, that was up in
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Speaker 3: the air for a long time.
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Speaker 2: Why didn't Buck get to it?
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Speaker 3: And it's because they don't expect Stephen Kwan to pull
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Speaker 3: that pitch.
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Speaker 2: They expect that to be hit to left field.
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Speaker 3: And you're shaded towards center and where Rojas left it
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Speaker 3: like it just cement mixed right into and Kwan's not
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Speaker 3: a very powerful guy, and he hit that off the
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Speaker 3: base of the wall in right center for a double,
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Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, Rojas, the stuff is there.
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Speaker 3: There's no question the stuff is there in his game.
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Speaker 3: But the walks were costly. There's just been so many
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Speaker 3: mistakes by Twins pitchers on this hole. But Joe's start
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Speaker 3: really really exacerbated at that point, like it was like
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Speaker 3: everything was over the middle.
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Speaker 2: Those fast there usually high were.
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Speaker 3: At the top of the zone and being hit out
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Speaker 3: and it was just surreal to see it happening, Like
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Speaker 3: that's four homers. Wow, where's Joe's like all time list
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Speaker 3: and you're looking, You're like, oh, yeah, that's right. He's
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Speaker 3: given up home runs. He's given up five twice and
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Speaker 3: he had he had one, Duff. You were there in
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Speaker 3: San Diego in twenty twenty two, he gave up ten runs.
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Speaker 3: It was a day game. He just got absolutely obliterated.
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Speaker 3: And then the next year he gave up five in Atlanta,
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Speaker 3: and that's the one where afterwards he revealed his injury
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Speaker 3: and his groin injury and they had hurt himself in
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Speaker 3: the field, and so it was it was a very
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Speaker 3: absurd kind of performance to be there for. And afterwards
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Speaker 3: he owned it and Derek Shelton owned it and somebody
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Speaker 3: was like asking me, does he hurt and was like no.
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Speaker 3: They basically just said his stuff sucked. That's when you
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Speaker 3: break it down. That's what they came out with was
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Speaker 3: his stuff just sucked.
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Speaker 6: The numbers probably told the whole story, you know, stack
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Speaker 6: cast probably what was going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, twins five games out in the Central. Now
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Speaker 1: White Sox and Cleveland both tied there, three and a
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Speaker 1: half out in the Wildcard. There is a lot to
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Speaker 1: come in the next thirteen days before the trade deadline,
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Speaker 1: still time to win some games and maybe turn things around,
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Speaker 1: but we will talk about what the front office might
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Speaker 1: be thinking. We'll talk about the next two games in Cleveland,
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Speaker 1: all pretty depressing if you're a Twins fan. Forty nine
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Speaker 1: to fifty three, And once again we come back to
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Speaker 1: the question that we have been debating all month and
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Speaker 1: longer than that actually, and we'll probably continue to debate
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Speaker 1: over the next couple weeks. Have the Twins gone from
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Speaker 1: buyers to sell It was just a couple of weeks ago, Dan,
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Speaker 1: when Tom Polad was talking about the importance of adding
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Speaker 1: to this team and showing investment for the guys in
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Speaker 1: the clubhouse and for the fans who endured obviously that
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Speaker 1: fire sale at the end of last year. Don't necessarily
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Speaker 1: want to let four games change all of that. But
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Speaker 1: it sure looks like this team is more than just
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Speaker 1: a bullpen arm away from contention at this point, and
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Speaker 1: it's at least got to be on the table now
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Speaker 1: that this thing is going in the other direction.
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Speaker 2: It has to be.
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Speaker 3: And this is the downturn on the roller coaster that
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Speaker 3: you know you expect, and you're going through this. There's
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Speaker 3: still thirteen days whatever it is into August third, and
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Speaker 3: there's twisson turns at all times, and the Twins are
14:45
Speaker 3: going through this stretch where it is day to day
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Speaker 3: and you you know they got to turning around quick.
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Speaker 3: But there might be some staying power with this four
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Speaker 3: game losing streak. And the reason why I say that
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Speaker 3: is it's against Cleveland, it's against the Cargo Cubs. This
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Speaker 3: is the meat grinder portion of their schedule and they're
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Speaker 3: not looking great. They're gonna need to show something these
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Speaker 3: two final games against the Guardians and get back on track,
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Speaker 3: because you need to show your front office something that
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Speaker 3: you have some life against good teams.
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Speaker 2: If if they were going to.
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Speaker 3: Come out and go one on one and end up
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Speaker 3: on two and five on this trip and dig themselves
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Speaker 3: into a hole, you got a long way to go,
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Speaker 3: and you can get there because the A's and the
15:29
Speaker 3: Kansas City Royals are coming to town, and those are
15:31
Speaker 3: two lesser than teams. But you would like to show
15:36
Speaker 3: that you can do this a little bit against some
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Speaker 3: good teams, and I think that makes these two really important.
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Speaker 2: Look at this.
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Speaker 3: Point, Look, you can't look at it and go man
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Speaker 3: Sell Sell Sell, you got you gotta ditch the recency bias.
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Speaker 2: You can't just go off vibes.
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Speaker 3: But it certainly has been disappointing just because of the
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Speaker 3: quality of the competition and how poorly the Twins have played.
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Speaker 3: It has been uncharacteristic between Todds, Bradley and Joe Ryan
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Speaker 3: seeing them pitch the way that they did, especially given
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Speaker 3: how they had been pitching, and so can you just
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Speaker 3: chalk it up as one bad start.
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Speaker 2: Possibly, Joe Ryan was.
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Speaker 3: So dominant at Yankee Stadium right in that Sunday to
16:19
Speaker 3: clinch a series victory. Joe Ryan's had so many big
16:22
Speaker 3: moments for you that certainly you can see why you
16:26
Speaker 3: would go look at Monday and say, yeah, he's coming
16:28
Speaker 3: off the All Star he's tired, But you need this
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Speaker 3: show something soon because the thing is is that there
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Speaker 3: are a lot of good players still in this roster
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Speaker 3: that like this.
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Speaker 2: Team might be better off trading.
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Speaker 3: Like if you were to look at this from the
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Speaker 3: big picture, if you were to look at this and say,
16:47
Speaker 3: you know, let's pretend like the ownership was in a
16:49
Speaker 3: good spot with the fan base right and there was
16:52
Speaker 3: no pre existing conditions that were kind of trying to
16:57
Speaker 3: keep the team going the right way. If you were
17:00
Speaker 3: at that spot and the fans were trusting what you
17:02
Speaker 3: were doing, which certainly is not the case, and the
17:06
Speaker 3: fans want Twins to.
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Speaker 2: Be winning and adding and all doing all that.
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Speaker 3: But if you were in that spot, you would look
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Speaker 3: at this and go, man, you know, Joe Ryan's gonna
17:14
Speaker 3: be a free agent after next season, and he's got
17:17
Speaker 3: a lot of trade value right now. And man, Trevor Larnick,
17:20
Speaker 3: his trade value has probably not been this high since
17:23
Speaker 3: he was a prospect early on in his career. This
17:27
Speaker 3: is the guy that Twins have been trying to trade
17:28
Speaker 3: for two plus years because.
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Speaker 2: They had a bunch of left handed outfielders.
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Speaker 3: I shouldn't say they've actively been trying, but I mean, like,
17:35
Speaker 3: with the amount of left handed outfielders they have in
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Speaker 3: the system, you know, Walker Jenkins is coming, Emma Rodriguez
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Speaker 3: is right there with those guys all there you would
17:44
Speaker 3: be opportunistic and look to trade Trevor Larnick if you
17:46
Speaker 3: can get value.
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Speaker 2: Well, his value's never been higher.
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Speaker 3: And certainly with Brian Jeffers, like you don't want to
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Speaker 3: screw up the vibes in the clubhouse, but Ryan Jeffers
17:55
Speaker 3: is a free agent after this year, you have two
17:57
Speaker 3: other catchers. Is it possible that you would trade him
18:00
Speaker 3: to try and improve a different area? I mean, those
18:03
Speaker 3: are all real questions where if you're looking from you know,
18:06
Speaker 3: the view from ten thousand feet, that's those guys would
18:09
Speaker 3: be realistically looked.
18:10
Speaker 2: At as being traded.
18:11
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, I think the Twins are putting themselves in
18:15
Speaker 3: a spot where you have to consider those questions unless
18:18
Speaker 3: you can turn it around.
18:20
Speaker 1: Tyler, does there come a point, even in a clubhouse,
18:23
Speaker 1: where you you're like, yeah, the better option is probably
18:26
Speaker 1: not to trade away the future for this team.
18:30
Speaker 6: Yeah, you just as a player. It's so hard, especially
18:34
Speaker 6: like depending on your status and the organization. Like I
18:37
Speaker 6: was fortunate, you know, we had a group that had
18:39
Speaker 6: been together since twenty twelve, basically like most of us
18:42
Speaker 6: got drafted together, you know, Kepler and Polanco overall like
18:46
Speaker 6: a year before us I believe maybe two. But we
18:50
Speaker 6: all grew up together, all got to the big leagues together,
18:52
Speaker 6: and so to us, like losing anybody was like life changing.
18:57
Speaker 6: You know, these guys, they've they've all played for several teams.
19:00
Speaker 6: Now it feels like, at least for the veteran half,
19:03
Speaker 6: the young guys are all early in their careers and
19:06
Speaker 6: so there may not be as huge as a hit,
19:10
Speaker 6: you know, other than them being friends.
19:12
Speaker 4: Like obviously that sucks. You know, your your locker MAT's
19:14
Speaker 4: gone one day.
19:16
Speaker 6: You know, Taylor Rodgers and I were hanging out when
19:18
Speaker 6: we got snowed out for he got traded, you know,
19:21
Speaker 6: and it's just a it's a weird uh, it's a
19:23
Speaker 6: weird experience, is a weird time. And you know, as
19:25
Speaker 6: a player, it's like you try not to think about
19:28
Speaker 6: it too much, but when you're the name that's in
19:30
Speaker 6: those talks, like it's each guy handles things differently. Some
19:34
Speaker 6: rise to the occasion, some don't like it at all.
19:37
Speaker 6: You know, some guys are having meetings with the front office, like, hey,
19:40
Speaker 6: what do we got going on? You know, I'm sure,
19:43
Speaker 6: especially a guy like Jeffers, like this is a huge
19:45
Speaker 6: year for him, Like he he may want to have
19:48
Speaker 6: some input on it. Like it's there's just so many
19:51
Speaker 6: different conversations to be had. And the sad part is
19:56
Speaker 6: or the good part, I guess is the the fixes
19:59
Speaker 6: just win games. At the end of the day, Like
20:01
Speaker 6: you get hot and play well, you're not gonna have
20:04
Speaker 6: any issues. But you lose four games in a row
20:07
Speaker 6: to two better than average opponents, you know, it gets
20:12
Speaker 6: ugly for you quickly, and these conversations start. You know,
20:15
Speaker 6: there's gonna probably be articles that come out today and
20:18
Speaker 6: tomorrow about what are the options now that they lost
20:21
Speaker 6: this week? You know, And that's what's so crazy. As
20:24
Speaker 6: you get closer to this deadline, it does so fast
20:27
Speaker 6: turn into just the house is burning. You know, sell, sell, sell,
20:32
Speaker 6: and you know it's it changes so fast, and you know,
20:35
Speaker 6: the one year we sold and we've still made the
20:38
Speaker 6: wild card, so it's there's it's also not the end
20:41
Speaker 6: of the year, like you get rid of some guys
20:43
Speaker 6: in the short term, it's like, man, we had a
20:46
Speaker 6: chance here, and then it's like or you keep going
20:49
Speaker 6: and play. You know that guy's gonna go do what
20:51
Speaker 6: it reed does anyways. But you know, it's it's so
20:54
Speaker 6: individual player to player and team to team that you
20:57
Speaker 6: just don't know what's going to happen. But I think
21:00
Speaker 6: what the nucleus of the team is there. You know,
21:02
Speaker 6: it's just whatever move you make, hopefully it doesn't hurt
21:05
Speaker 6: you in the long run. I guess psychs no.
21:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like with Larnick, it's this is not advocating for
21:13
Speaker 3: trading laren because Trenor Lawrence having an awesome season and
21:16
Speaker 3: he's been a force for them at the top of
21:18
Speaker 3: the lineup. But you look at it and you go, man,
21:20
Speaker 3: Walker Jenkins is on a tear right now at Triple A.
21:23
Speaker 3: And if you can get something for Larnick, and you know,
21:26
Speaker 3: I know teams like Tampa Bay like teams that are
21:29
Speaker 3: platoon heavy love looking at those that right handed split
21:34
Speaker 3: where he's got like an eight to fifty nine oh
21:35
Speaker 3: ps against right handed pitching.
21:38
Speaker 2: Can they give him major league give you major league
21:40
Speaker 2: help back?
21:41
Speaker 3: And then you bring up Walker Jenkins, who probably is
21:43
Speaker 3: a better defender but isn't gonna be quite the hitter
21:46
Speaker 3: as experienced wise. I mean, the potential is there for sure,
21:50
Speaker 3: and what what would that look like? What would that
21:52
Speaker 3: what would that drop off be? And you know there's
21:55
Speaker 3: a chance you might end up okay there. But Larnick's
21:57
Speaker 3: having a great year and he's like a one to
21:59
Speaker 3: sixth war player right now. And it's like, man, plus,
22:02
Speaker 3: he's been here forever and the guys like him, and
22:05
Speaker 3: he knows ball and he's one of those noseball guys,
22:08
Speaker 3: just a ballplayer and loves talking the game and and
22:11
Speaker 3: adds so much.
22:12
Speaker 2: Value to the clubhouse.
22:13
Speaker 3: And it's like and Ryan Jeffers, like, that's probably one
22:17
Speaker 3: of your smartest.
22:19
Speaker 2: Guys in the room.
22:20
Speaker 3: And he is the ABS king, although Vic Caroten has
22:24
Speaker 3: done a really nice job too, But Jeffer's been with
22:27
Speaker 3: his staff forever. And what does losing that mean and
22:29
Speaker 3: what does that look like? And if you if you
22:32
Speaker 3: get rid of Joe Ryan, it's like you really do
22:35
Speaker 3: better get.
22:36
Speaker 6: Something yeah, yeah, and you better get something.
22:40
Speaker 2: To center fielder. You better talk to your center fielder.
22:43
Speaker 2: Otherwise Cherney churn your your meter.
22:48
Speaker 3: Your meter might be coming back if I mean, because
22:51
Speaker 3: that's the thing, like if you trade your pitching, how
22:54
Speaker 3: are you gonna convince that guy in center that not
22:59
Speaker 3: to say I want out? And they're they're doing their
23:01
Speaker 3: best to do that, but you know, trading your best
23:04
Speaker 3: picture certainly would throw a wrinkle into the future plans,
23:09
Speaker 3: and it can get ugly around.
23:11
Speaker 2: Here real fast.
23:12
Speaker 3: You'd have to go out and trade him to like
23:15
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, or to a Philly where you get like
23:18
Speaker 3: Andrew Painter, Like you need to get a guy that's
23:20
Speaker 3: right there that's on the cusp of becoming that guy.
23:24
Speaker 3: But that's a huge risky run, and you know, it's
23:29
Speaker 3: it's a tough spot to be in and it's certainly
23:32
Speaker 3: not the conversation I think the front office was hoping
23:34
Speaker 3: to have four days ago. It's like because if you
23:37
Speaker 3: if you're looking the other way, you know, you look
23:39
Speaker 3: at a bullpen game last night, Man, I don't know.
23:42
Speaker 2: The bullpen games are just.
23:45
Speaker 3: You're you're in a big, huge game playing Cleveland, and
23:51
Speaker 3: you throw a bullpen game out there, and there is
23:53
Speaker 3: nothing quite like there's no picture that's necessarily totally on
23:57
Speaker 3: the hook for that right.
23:58
Speaker 2: It's not one guy that's riding on.
24:01
Speaker 3: It's get through it past the baton, hope, guys get out.
24:05
Speaker 3: It's a really challenging like to make that guy go
24:09
Speaker 3: up against Parker Messik all Star, who looked absolutely dominant.
24:13
Speaker 2: His fastball was so good. We saw really awkward swings.
24:18
Speaker 1: Yet that was the closest game of the last four so.
24:21
Speaker 2: It was right.
24:23
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, you need to if you're
24:26
Speaker 3: if you're on the other end of this conversation, you
24:28
Speaker 3: need to have you probably need to add a starting picture.
24:30
Speaker 3: Although I think we'll see very soon Connor prelip come back.
24:34
Speaker 3: He threw three really good innings at Saint Paul there
24:38
Speaker 3: at night and showed that his blister wasn't a problem.
24:40
Speaker 2: Struck out three.
24:41
Speaker 3: Uh, they could see him at home this weekend. You
24:46
Speaker 3: need a starting picture, though, you need relief help. You
24:49
Speaker 3: know this isn't You're right, this is not just add
24:52
Speaker 3: a reliever. This is probably add two arms, maybe three arms.
24:58
Speaker 3: It's it's a tough spot to like. We should push
25:01
Speaker 3: our chips in. After this four.
25:02
Speaker 1: Days we'll finish up on that topic. I will speak
25:06
Speaker 1: on behalf of all fans when we come back after this.
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Speaker 1: Tyler mentioned that there would be articles coming out talking
26:16
Speaker 1: about what the twins should do at the deadline, and
26:18
Speaker 1: look at that, Dan's already written one. Check it out
26:20
Speaker 1: right now on the Athletic Dan is there in Cleveland
26:24
Speaker 1: for this series and wrote about the vibe in the
26:26
Speaker 1: clubhouse and how the twins are in danger of becoming
26:30
Speaker 1: trade deadline sellers right now on the internets, the Athletic
26:35
Speaker 1: dot Com, there's an in between option two here, right,
26:40
Speaker 1: guys like you to your point of everything, like and
26:42
Speaker 1: I think the whole fans are on edge and they
26:46
Speaker 1: could mutiny. Thing is true, but also like, that's because
26:53
Speaker 1: last year was so frustrating, because the team was supposed
26:56
Speaker 1: to be building towards something. Once that happened, that change
27:00
Speaker 1: the context of this season entirely, and the fact that
27:02
Speaker 1: they were that were even talking about maybe buying at
27:04
Speaker 1: this point remains a pleasant surprise. And so I think
27:10
Speaker 1: some fans, maybe not the ones that show up in
27:12
Speaker 1: your meant replies Dan on X, but I think some
27:16
Speaker 1: fans are rational enough to say, like, I don't know
27:19
Speaker 1: that I want you to buy right now. Like the
27:24
Speaker 1: whole strategy has been to build for the future. It
27:26
Speaker 1: looks like maybe that's off to a good start. So
27:29
Speaker 1: just hang on to the pieces that can help with that,
27:32
Speaker 1: and don't trade away the people who are going to
27:35
Speaker 1: help this team win in two, three years or however
27:37
Speaker 1: long it's going to take. I don't know, I don't
27:40
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is, I don't if a
27:41
Speaker 1: couple names get traded and there's good logic behind it,
27:44
Speaker 1: like Jeffers, maybe not Joe Ryan, that one would be
27:47
Speaker 1: a tougher self. I think I don't think you're going
27:51
Speaker 1: to see the same outrage as long as it feels
27:54
Speaker 1: like something, there's progress towards something.
27:57
Speaker 2: I agree.
27:58
Speaker 3: And also I think the he's already happened with the fans.
28:01
Speaker 3: I mean we're seeing it in the attendance numbers. Yeah,
28:03
Speaker 3: you've already the ship has already sailed, Like the fans
28:07
Speaker 3: are pissed, So you do have to win to get
28:09
Speaker 3: back people.
28:11
Speaker 2: So I agree with you.
28:13
Speaker 3: I think the more rational fans are not going to
28:16
Speaker 3: be You've already ripped off the band aid by taking
28:19
Speaker 3: with last year's trading ten guys, with cutting payroll by
28:23
Speaker 3: thirty million a couple of years ago, with not adding
28:26
Speaker 3: with just adding Trevor Richards at the twenty twenty four deadline,
28:30
Speaker 3: You've already done all the damage. But so potentially diving
28:36
Speaker 3: all the way in right now, just pushing all your
28:37
Speaker 3: chips in might actually pissed off the rational ones who
28:41
Speaker 3: were like, hey, there's a plan here, let's let's just
28:43
Speaker 3: see it through. And because you run the risk of
28:46
Speaker 3: like going with well, what are we doing now?
28:49
Speaker 2: Like what is the plan?
28:51
Speaker 3: If we say I don't see them trading Walker Jenkins,
28:54
Speaker 3: I don't see them trading Kaylin Culpepper, it wouldn't be
28:57
Speaker 3: that this is not what they're gonna do. Joe Ryan
29:00
Speaker 3: is the closest thing on this roster to that kind
29:04
Speaker 3: of nuclear option where it's like, wait, what are we
29:06
Speaker 3: doing here? And it's funny because that's the guy that
29:09
Speaker 3: you easily could get paid the.
29:10
Speaker 2: Most for and get a ton for right now.
29:13
Speaker 3: So just kind of illustrates how tricky this all is
29:17
Speaker 3: for Jeremy Zol and Tom Paul out right now, because
29:20
Speaker 3: the pr hit will not be great if they trade
29:22
Speaker 3: guys away. But again, maybe you trade the guys, maybe
29:27
Speaker 3: you trade Jeffers and Larnik run the risk of breaking
29:30
Speaker 3: up the group a little bit, but you improve your
29:35
Speaker 3: roster currently by.
29:36
Speaker 2: Doing that, by getting some pitching help back. I don't
29:39
Speaker 2: know how it.
29:40
Speaker 3: Plays out, and the fact that there's not a ton
29:42
Speaker 3: of sellers out there it makes it tricky for sure.
29:46
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be interesting, and that's the thing. Well,
29:49
Speaker 3: it's the roller coaster. We're gonna see more dips, We're
29:52
Speaker 3: gonna see more upswings because there's thirteen days to go
29:55
Speaker 3: and this is that kind of time.
29:57
Speaker 6: Well, the one I just keep thinking about the fact
30:00
Speaker 6: that we don't know what everyone else is going to do.
30:02
Speaker 6: There's so many teams that are kind of in that
30:05
Speaker 6: like what do we do spot And it's like, right,
30:09
Speaker 6: what if what if just no one gets rid of anybody?
30:11
Speaker 6: You know, like everyone's just like, you know what, We're
30:14
Speaker 6: not going to give anybody anything and we're going to
30:15
Speaker 6: just go you know, I mean, it'd be incredible to watch, like,
30:18
Speaker 6: you know, the team that started the year is just
30:20
Speaker 6: who you're gonna go with.
30:21
Speaker 4: But you know there'll be a move made.
30:23
Speaker 6: Somebody's going to try and get Scooble, you know if apparently,
30:27
Speaker 6: which is I can't even wrap my mind around him
30:29
Speaker 6: not being a Tiger, But you know, it's there's so
30:32
Speaker 6: many kind of that meddling five hundred ish group, like
30:36
Speaker 6: a bad week can literally change it for anybody, and
30:39
Speaker 6: that's what I think.
30:40
Speaker 4: It's going to make it really interesting.
30:42
Speaker 3: And then there's one thing that we didn't even mention
30:45
Speaker 3: is that this all has come their their four game
30:48
Speaker 3: losing streak while the rest of the American League, and
30:50
Speaker 3: the Red Sox have won fourteen finally did win yesterday,
30:53
Speaker 3: but that's that's yesterday. The White Sox are playing well,
30:58
Speaker 3: the Guardians are well. So like, you've not only been going,
31:03
Speaker 3: you're trending the wrong way. Other teams are starting to
31:05
Speaker 3: separate themselves, which makes it challenging.
31:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like just even if you think you know
31:13
Speaker 1: what the Twins should do, Tyler, like to your point,
31:16
Speaker 1: doing it is another you know, like the Twins should
31:19
Speaker 1: have a starter. Okay, great, well who who's available?
31:21
Speaker 4: Who's going to give us a starter? You know, like,
31:23
Speaker 4: wh what's it.
31:24
Speaker 1: Going to cost? Do you want to pay what it costs?
31:27
Speaker 1: It's just not like so they could be trying to
31:30
Speaker 1: buy or sell and not do either just because they
31:32
Speaker 1: can't find the right the right match.
31:34
Speaker 6: Well yeah, and you can't just take a bad deal
31:35
Speaker 6: to make a move, you know, that's the big one.
31:37
Speaker 6: You can't just oh, this is what was available. It's like, well,
31:39
Speaker 6: Joe's not gone until next year, so you don't have.
31:42
Speaker 4: To move him. Yes he's valuable, right, but he will
31:45
Speaker 4: still be valuable.
31:46
Speaker 2: You know.
31:46
Speaker 4: I think you start to your weigh.
31:48
Speaker 6: The the one that keeps going to mind is that's
31:50
Speaker 6: and the song X guys were talking. You know, Jeffers
31:53
Speaker 6: is hitting homers. He came back healthy like he's the
31:56
Speaker 6: one that makes sits unfortunately, but you know, like I said,
31:59
Speaker 6: I'm not a g nor will I ever be.
32:01
Speaker 1: So who knows, Hey Breslo made it?
32:05
Speaker 4: You know, you never know Cat's partner sixteen.
32:11
Speaker 1: Well, I guess the good news for the Twins they
32:13
Speaker 1: still have a chance to split the series in Cleveland.
32:16
Speaker 1: There's two games left starting tonight. I have to do
32:20
Speaker 1: the math from the Pacific times. I'm five forty Central time. Storry.
32:24
Speaker 1: I was like, I said, I can't be right, but
32:25
Speaker 1: it is because it's Eastern time in Cleveland, right right.
32:30
Speaker 1: Bailey Ober today against Slade Secconi it looks like and
32:34
Speaker 1: then TODJ. Bradley and Gavin Williams in the day game
32:37
Speaker 1: on Thursday, the finale, so a lot of v loo.
32:41
Speaker 1: I'm calling them must win with a question mark in
32:43
Speaker 1: the graphic there on the screen, because I guess that's
32:47
Speaker 1: if you're looking at it from a can this team
32:49
Speaker 1: actually make a push. That would be a nice statement
32:52
Speaker 1: to come off and finish this road trip with two
32:54
Speaker 1: wins and earn a split and kind of put that
32:56
Speaker 1: four game losing streak behind them. But if they don't,
32:59
Speaker 1: then it really does amplify that nine game stretch to
33:03
Speaker 1: the before the deadline A's Royals, and then at Seattle
33:07
Speaker 1: it's here we go one player or the other.
33:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be a lot better to be two
33:13
Speaker 3: games under five hundred when you go home for that
33:16
Speaker 3: than it is to be.
33:17
Speaker 2: Five or six.
33:20
Speaker 3: You go home six under five hundred, you're defeated and
33:22
Speaker 3: you should sell like you don't win these two.
33:25
Speaker 2: You lose both of them. That's it. Really.
33:28
Speaker 3: I don't know how you come back from that. If
33:30
Speaker 3: you don't. They are in a good spot where Bailey
33:33
Speaker 3: is thrown well. In his two starts back from the
33:35
Speaker 3: IL look good. In Chicago, they were still on pitch
33:39
Speaker 3: count there, like I think he was around eighty five.
33:42
Speaker 3: So we'll see how he handles a lefty heavy lineup
33:46
Speaker 3: here on on Wednesday. And then Todds Bradley really needs
33:51
Speaker 3: a big bounce back from him.
33:52
Speaker 2: That was just I mean, he has command issues. He's
33:55
Speaker 2: had them in his career.
33:56
Speaker 3: It's been a thing for him, but he really avoided
33:59
Speaker 3: them earlier this season and done a good job of it,
34:02
Speaker 3: and like so Saturday was just so uncharacteristic for him
34:06
Speaker 3: to coming out of the break and throwing up a
34:09
Speaker 3: dud in Chicago like that.
34:11
Speaker 2: They really need him to show what he has been.
34:14
Speaker 3: Against Cleveland and get them home with a split would
34:18
Speaker 3: be very nice, just because you just need to find
34:21
Speaker 3: those good vibes again. And you took that four day
34:23
Speaker 3: break and everybody really did need it. I thought that
34:26
Speaker 3: the rest factor. That was just a very long, challenging
34:30
Speaker 3: first half, a team rallying around each other, and there's
34:33
Speaker 3: a lot of good things, but it is an emotional
34:34
Speaker 3: first half where like they kind of formed an identity,
34:38
Speaker 3: but it took a while to get there, and like
34:40
Speaker 3: that rest seemed like it was good. But man, that
34:43
Speaker 3: identities disappeared these first couple days because the offense hasn't
34:46
Speaker 3: been hitting. You know, you mentioned it.
34:49
Speaker 2: The thirty four to nine.
34:51
Speaker 3: Well, thirty four is abysmal on the pitching side, but
34:54
Speaker 3: nine runs in four days is not good for an
34:57
Speaker 3: offense that got Byron Buckston back.
34:58
Speaker 2: The last two they just have looked just kind of
35:02
Speaker 2: lethargic and.
35:03
Speaker 3: Not you know, you get behind, and getting behind before
35:07
Speaker 3: for them was never a problem. And they get the
35:09
Speaker 3: one run comeback last night in the sixth inning on
35:13
Speaker 3: Royce Lewis's little like they called it an air I thought,
35:16
Speaker 3: with the way Messick was throwing, and we saw a
35:18
Speaker 3: couple of balls come off of his funk producers some
35:23
Speaker 3: weird swings, yeah, and some right handers. The spin when
35:27
Speaker 3: they hit the ball was so weird. Royce's spun past
35:31
Speaker 3: Messic and it's a little number for an infield error
35:34
Speaker 3: was what they ruled it.
35:35
Speaker 2: But I mean, like that was the only comeback they showed.
35:37
Speaker 3: And then after that buston, you know, Gets actually had
35:41
Speaker 3: to put a good swing on it.
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Speaker 2: They're down four to two.
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Speaker 3: He batted with two runners on and he got Gaddis
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Speaker 3: Hunter Gaddis, who is has really pitched great.
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Speaker 2: Against the Twins over the years.
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Speaker 3: Gaddess threw him seven straight sliders, and you know, Buck
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Speaker 3: took some close ones and then he drove the one
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Speaker 3: to center field and the metrics on it were it
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Speaker 3: was a good swing. It was like one hundred point
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Speaker 3: four off the bat, hit it to the warning track
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Speaker 3: and it flew out.
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Speaker 2: But he, you know, just missed that.
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Speaker 3: That was really their chances, and they just didn't show
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Speaker 3: a lot other than that Messick was so good. It's
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Speaker 3: just been a weird four days. It has not been
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Speaker 3: like but this team has done this before. We've seen them.
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Speaker 3: They were eight games under five hundred on June eleventh. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: they fought their way back, and you just wonder if
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Speaker 3: that fight to get back to five hundred took everything
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Speaker 3: out of them, at least right now, because it you know,
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Speaker 3: it has not looked great so far.
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Speaker 1: The formula when they've been winning has been score a
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Speaker 1: bunch of runs, get a good start, and then hang
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Speaker 1: on for the ride with the bullpen, and those first
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Speaker 1: two things have not been happening in the last four days.
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Speaker 1: That's a league worst nine er from the pitching staff
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Speaker 1: since Saturday, thirty two innings, thirty two earned runs out
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Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, the bats just haven't been there
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Speaker 1: like they were when it was when it was rolling.
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Speaker 1: So Tyler, we'll see, maybe.
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Speaker 4: Think winning streak starts tonight.
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Speaker 1: What streak starts tonight?
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Speaker 4: There we go, we will see.
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Speaker 1: It's like I said, five point forty starts tonight in
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Speaker 1: Cleveland twelve ten in the afternoon on Thursday, before the
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Speaker 1: Twins come home Friday to face the former Oakland.
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Speaker 4: Athleticsnow Sacramento Vegas.
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Speaker 1: Ye, Sacramento slash Vegas right, no, no city attached. We'll
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Speaker 2: Everybody,