Latest / The You Project / #1921 Movement Is Medicine - Kelly Smith

Transcript

#1921 Movement Is Medicine - Kelly Smith · The You Project

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: I get a champs. I hope you're great. I hope
• 0:02
  Speaker 1: you're having a great day, night, walk, workout, bus ride,
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: car ride. I don't know all of it. I hope
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: it's good. You know why, because why the fuck wouldn't
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: I hope that for you. It's a Sunday. It's I
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm doing radio again. I'm just looking at
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: the time. I'm doing a time check and a station
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: ida and a show idea. It's the U Project, It's
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: Fatty Harps, It's Jumbo. It's nine past eleven and Kelly Smith.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: I'm very FM right now. Kelly Smith is back. She's
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: back to ask me some questions. She's she's done a
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: little bit of a tiff. She didn't live in the Bamboo,
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: but she's she's slowly just making her way into the
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: corridors of typ She was in the foyer for about
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: a year. She's made her way up the stairs and
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: now she's about three meters from my office and just
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: just weaving her way into the team. HIKEL Hi, Craig,
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: how are you.
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: I'm very well well. I'll get some tips from Tiff
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: on how to break down the door, how.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: To infiltrate the bloody the upper echelon. There is no echelon,
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: there's no stairs, there's no corridor. It's just it's just
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: all a fiction. But I'm glad you here. We had
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: fun last time. If you don't know who, kell is
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: Kel's a listener who I really like the way she
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: thinks and I like the way she asks questions. And
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: she came on quite a while ago. She said, Hey,
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: I've got some questions, and I went, why don't you
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: ask me those questions on a microphone and we'll have
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: a chat and maybe maybe that interaction will be of
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: interest to other people. And I mean this with the
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: most respect because Kelly and I are kind of the same.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: I like the fact that you just a regular human
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: with regular challenges and regular questions, and I like, I
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: mean as much as I like interviewing famous people who
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: are doing cool shit. I love I love talking to
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: people like Scottie Douglas, who up today Sunday and the
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: other day Scottie Douglas, the paramedic who had cancer, who's
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: was a chef who owned multiple Have you heard any
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: of him?
• 2:08
  Speaker 2: He was great?
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved him.
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: Well, we met and had a coffee because he's a
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: mysteriously a fan and a follower of Jumbo, and he's
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: like really wanted to get together and had a coffee
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: and we had a coffee and I went, you know,
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: when you go, oh, you're way more interesting than me,
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: it's like, why do you want to hang out? You're
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: definitely more interesting than me, So I'm going to get you.
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: I said to him, what we're doing right now? This
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: is at the cafe. I said, what we're doing right now,
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: we need to do a version of what we're doing
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: now where a bunch of people can listen because you're
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: fucking interesting. And what I love about I don't know,
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: I've said this a bunch, but what I love about
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: just general normal conversations, where like you and I were
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: having a chat before we pressed record, and I was thinking, fuck,
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: we should be recording this because we're talking about where
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: we grew up, your challenges in mind. I'm like, this
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: is actually good to listen to. But I love the
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: fact that you know people can and obviously not everything
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: will relate for everybody, but you know, the normal trials
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: and tribulations, peaks and troughs of just trying to figure
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: shit out and find find our things, find our reason,
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: find our purpose, find our path, you know, and it's
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: a never ending journey. But in the middle of all
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: that to have some fun as well. So fuck, that
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: was long winded, So welcome back.
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me again. It was there was heaps
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: of fun last time.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: Did you get any did you get any feedback?
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: There was a few people in the group that commented
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: and said they were really good questions, and so that
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: was really nice. I shared it with some people at
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: work who listened and said that they listened every day
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: and they were really surprised to hear me, which was
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: really cool. I shared it with my Nan, who I've
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: mentioned before. She's ninety five, and.
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: Tell the listeners what she said.
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: So she starts listening and she said, oh, he's a
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: bit sweary. I said, yep, he is. And then we
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: get through the episode and she said, tell me again,
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: what's his name? And I said Craig Harper. She says,
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: never fucking heard of him.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: I love Nan. How old is Nan?
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: Ninety five?
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: Well? God, bless Nan? Yeah, yeah, bless her. Yeah that's amazing,
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: that's amazing. And yeah, well, and so what are we
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: talking about today? What was tell people about the general
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: kind of theme that you wanted to explore.
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: I'm very interested in you talk a lot about how
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: there's some people that you've trained before who And there's
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: one story that I've heard a few times where you
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: say that you know, you had this guy come in
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: and then he was really determined, Yep, I'm going to
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: do everything, and half an hour later you saw him
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: at the bakery with fistfuls of doughnuts and everything. And
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: I'm really curious about, given the length of your career
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: and the amount of people that you've trained, and when
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: is it, who are the people? How many have you
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: seen really succeed and actually change what you call their
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: internal operating system? So what kind of common factors do
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: these people have. Is it like a personality trade, is
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: it a level of determination? Is it like a routine
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: they put in place? Is there something that kind of
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: you can look at someone and go, yep, I know
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: that you'll do it.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, like, this is a big conversation,
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: So we'll go where we go. But it's a really great,
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: great question to explore because for the most part, everyone
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: that came to my gyms over the years, you know,
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: and we had I don't know tens and tens of
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: thousands of I mean I did fifty thousand sessions, and
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: then I had five hundred trainers, so we probably did
• 5:53
  Speaker 1: millions of PT sessions over twenty five years, to be honest.
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: But the commonality is that everybody that comes into the
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: room wants to change. Like nobody says, hey, I want
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: to spend whatever it was back then, sixty dollars an hour,
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: three times a week, one hundred and eighty dollars a week,
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: nine thousand dollars a year. And I don't want any change.
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want results. I want to look just right.
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: So the common denominator has changed. The common denominator is
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: a desire to be different, feel different, look different, function differently.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: But then what a lot of people don't think about
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: so much coming in is that, oh, this is actually
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: so much about my mind and my emotions and my
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: beliefs and my thinking, and my background and my peaks
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: and trufs and my anxiety, and it's so much about
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: the internal stuff. It's about the stuff that we can't see,
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: you know. It's about what are all of the emotional
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: and psychological and even sociological drivers of my behavior. In
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: other words, I know that I shouldn't eat three pies
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: a day, but I eat three pis a day sometimes.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: And when I say everything today, folks, no judgment, just
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: conversation and just just awareness, just honesty. And I mean
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: I did the same thing. I mean I was. I've
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: spoke many times about how I got to a point
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: in my own journey where I just started to put
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: back put weight back on after being very fit, very lean,
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: and because I you know, for a range of reasons
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: that I could justify. But the bottom line is it
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: was just me making bad decisions and doing bad things
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: and then trying to hide my own behaviors. Right. But
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: it's trying to figure out what are the drivers of me,
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: Like why do I do the stuff that I do?
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: And I think, broadly speaking, I don't think there's a
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: single answer to that question, because you know, different people
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: are driven by, you know, different things. Some people are
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: moving away from something, some people are moving towards something,
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: some people are doing both. Some people are moving away
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: from the feeling that they have when they are a
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: certain and weight or shape or size, or hit a
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: health state, or they just don't want to be that anymore.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: Other people, you know, drive to their mums on Sunday
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: and see a fuck load of people doing a fun
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: run and go, I want to do a fun run.
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: I want to do a fun run. I want to
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: be able to do that that looks amazing and I'm
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: going to do what's required to do a five or ten.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: Because so they're moving towards that, but simultaneously, I guess
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: also moving away from how they don't want to be.
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: So there are these positive and negative motivators or reasons,
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: I guess, But like, what makes the difference is, well,
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: a bunch of things. But this is weird. But I
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: feel like in that this is very very much undercooking
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: a very big question. But it almost comes down to
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: how much do you want that thing? Really? And a
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: lot of people will say i'd really fuck want it,
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: and then it gets a little bit hard. They throw
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: in the towel. I go, well, you don't really want
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: it at all, You just like the idea of it.
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, what are you prepared to do? How uncomfortable
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: are you prepared to get? What sacrifices will you make,
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: What effort will you make? What things will you start
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: doing and stop doing? How long will you do it
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: for and what about in this situation? And what about
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: if that happens? And what about if you get a
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: sore foot? And what if you're at your sister's thirtieth
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: birthday and what about? And it's like, oh oh, because
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: you know, the truth is that unless it is really
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: an inside out revolution, most people go back to what
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: they did, like remembering. As you've heard me say many times,
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: the best predictor of future behavior has past behavior. So
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: if somebody's kind of been not really doing the best
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: thing for their body and their health, and you know,
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: their function for the last forty five years, for the
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: most part, the chances are that all be what they
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: do in the future. That is not to say they
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: can't change. It's to say that statistically most people won't change. Now,
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: big distinction. Ye, So you know it's like I know
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: people who've literally been diagnosed with cancer and kept smoking. Yeah,
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, wow, no judgment just for me, Like
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: fucking hell that And they're not better than me or
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: worse than me, and vice versa. But I'm like, oh
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: my god, if somebody said to me, Craig, if you
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know, if you ever eat another piece of bread,
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: you're going to get whatever. I'd never eat another bit
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: of bread, and it wouldn't even be an issue. I
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: would just go right. I don't do bread the end.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: Now that's a little bit about how my brain's wired.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: But I think when we can get people to really
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: understand their body and their health and all the variables
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: and be proactive rather than reactive, like we've said many times,
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: people will shut up after this cal By the way,
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: people tend to wait till something breaks or something's wrong,
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: or they're sick, or they get a diagnosis, or they're
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: terrified to get serious. And I'm saying, well, get serious now. Now,
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: serious doesn't mean that life's got to be revolving around
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: exercise and or gym or beating fucking high this low
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: that food for the you know, it's just like, oh, well,
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: what's the best system or the best operating kind of
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: protocol for you? But invariably it comes down to, on
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: the simplest of levels, how deeply somebody wants that and
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: how important it is to them, I.
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: Think, And is that something that when someone comes to
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: you over like when they did over the course of
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: your career, were you able to identify that from the
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: outset and just go, yeah, I know that I'm working
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: with someone here who is going to make that change
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: and stay consistent.
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm not going to say all the time,
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say most of the time, I would
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: meet with like I actually met with a friend recently
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: and a friend of theirs. They asked me if I
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: would sit with this other person who was kind of
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: spinning their wheels, going around in circles and wanting the
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: results without the work, you know, the top of the
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: mountain without the climb, And they're like, please, could you
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: just talk to this person? And I went. My proviso was,
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: if they want to talk to me and they know
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: what I'm about, gladly, I'll gladly do it. I'll gladly
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: give them an hour of my life and energy and
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: focus and forty five years of experience. I'll give them
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: all of that. But they have to be fucking boots
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: and all right. They need to be. Don't come to
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: me if you're not ready. If you're ready, I'll do
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: everything I can do to help you. But if you're
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: not ready, then you know, carry on, enjoy life and
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: get back to me when you're ready. Right, And we
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: got together and they're definitely not ready. Yeah, they're not ready.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean that to be arrogant. I just
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: know that because I've done that so many times, and
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: even a few weeks later, that's proving to be true
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: right now. So, like I said to you before we started,
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm not. I think one of the reasons I
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: am quite consistent and focused and committed when I figure
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: out what I want to do, be create change is
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: because I thinks I'm not naturally gifted. I don't have
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: great genetics. I can't run fast or jump high. I'm
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: not brilliant. I'm not I can't sing, I can't dance,
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: I can't you know all those things. Which is not
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: to say I had no talent or no intelligence, but
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: it was to say that if you objectively think do
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: I want to get the most out of my body
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: and my life and my career and my most people
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: are going to go yeah, I do. I do, And
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: then I would say cool, how will that happen? Like
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: do you want a nine or a ten out of
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: ten result? Or do you want to two? Well, everyone's
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: going to go I want a nine. I go, well,
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: right now, your effort and application is a two, and
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: but you're telling yourself it's a seven. So this is
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: and this is one of the hard things, real hard
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: things in self awareness, human behavior, you know, psychology, personal growth,
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: whatever we want to call it, is that we love
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: to give ourselves a get out of jail card, and
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: we love to rationalize what we're not doing. And what's
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: very convenient is when it's not my fault, then I
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: don't have to change. So I'm going to go it's
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: not me, it's Kelly, Kelly fucking I'd be there, but
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Kelly keeps letting me down. And also Kelly said she
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: would she would give me some advice on nutrition. She
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: hasn't even called me, and we were going to together.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: She skips every second day. And look, I'm not where
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: I should be because of Kelly. And you people go
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: as if anywhere everyone does that everyone does. It might
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: be about their mum, it might be about their genetics,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: it might be about their boss, it might but the
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: amount of people who do not take ownership of what
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: they are not doing. Now, I'm not saying there are
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: no shit parents or shit bosses, of course, but to
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: say that that is the entirety of your subsistence or
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: you know, living the life that you don't want to
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: live is to go. It's got nothing to do with me. Well,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: that's delusion one I won.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, look, you know, I haven't been
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: there because it's winter and it's cold, so that's why
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: I'm skipping every second day.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: So it's not my fault either, one hundred percent. And
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: I've got a bit of a saw toe. So you
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: can't train because obviously with a saw toe there are
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: no exercises you can.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Do, none, absolutely none. What you said earlier in terms
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: of people would come to you and they want the
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: training because they want to look and feel different, and
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: then ultimately it's mindset and knowing that you know their
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: actual internal system has changed and that's their key driver.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: When did you start to realize that because starting out
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: as a pt was was that always something that you
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: were in tune with or did you go in more
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: so about the body?
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I realized. I apologize to people who've heard
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: a version of this and even you must heard some
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: of this shit thirty times, but it just it's the
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: answer to this question in this moment. But I realized that,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: you know, when I was a fat kid who got
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: in shape and all of that stuff, and all of
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: those things, right, you know, picked last, all that jumbo stuff.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Right then I got in shape. What was the biggest
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: revelation to me was how people treated me. I'm like, oh,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I'm because I went from being really out of shape,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, morbidly obese to exceptionally fucking fit, like stupidly fit.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: And you know, maybe the fittest, not the most talented,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: not the most athletic, but maybe the fittest kid in
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: my school. And then so all of a sudden, I'm fit,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: and I'm doing you know, push up, some body weight
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: and chin ups. Hadn't started weights yet, or maybe I
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: was just about start weights, but I was in really
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: good shape, and my world changed around me, and people
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: treated me different. Even adults treated me different, Teachers treated
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: me differently, girls. All of a sudden, I wasn't completely
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: invisible to the other sex. You know, all that kind
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of teenage angst stuff where you go, oh fuck, now,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: that's all understandable. But the problem with that for me
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: was I learned a bad lesson. And the lesson I
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: learned was, Wow, the better I look, the better I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: get treated. Now we don't want to hear that. But
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: that still happens in our culture today in twenty twenty five.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: People think it doesn't you fuck get out and about right.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: It doesn't happen all the time to everybody, but it
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: definitely happens. And so then I learned, well, if I'm
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: this lean, imagine if I was a bit leaner, if
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: I can, if I've got these muscles, imagine if I
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: had those muscles, if I had you know. And so
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: that for me became a bit of an unhealthy obsession.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: And I that took that took a fair wile to
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: figure out. But specifically to your question, when I started
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: training people, I was really largely about the body and
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the mechanics of the body, and you know biomechanics and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: nutrition and muscles, and you know sets and reps and
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: volume and pushing and pulling and progressive overload and lift
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: this and jog there and stretch that, and this is
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: how we build muscle, and this is how we build fitness,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and this how we build flexibility. So very much from
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a my knowledge was not great, by the way, but
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: from a fundamental scientific principle place, then then you realize,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I've been training this lady for six months and she's
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: gained two kilos and her goal is to lose twenty.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what's going on? And then I'm like, I
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: think she's lying or I think he's lying. It doesn't
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: matter who right. Just happened that a lot of my
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: clients were women. And then so people would be telling
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: me things that just weren't true. They'd be going, oh, no,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I go tell me what you ate yesterday, and they'd
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: tell me, and I'm like, okay. And then a week later,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, tell me, and all of the reports on
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the alleged diet did not seem consistent with the body
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that I saw in front of me. And then eventually,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and I mean I'm talking about not just you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: run of the meal human beings. I'm talking about doctors
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: that I worked with. I'm talking about people who are
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: super smart, intelligent. I mean everyone was intelligent, I guess,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, I'm not talking about
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: uneducated people too. And I figured out, oh, people bullshit.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: People bullshit about what they do because they don't want
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to be seen as being weak or flawed. They don't
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: want to be embarrassed. They don't want to own up.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: And then you know, also talking to people who would
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: that'd come into me and they'd be all guns blazing, pumped, exited, motivated,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: in the zone. Fuck, I'm going to change my life.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And that would last two weeks and I'm like oh,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and then then just not showing up. And this is
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: back more when I was working as a gym instructor,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: right and people would join for like, the amount of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: people that would join a gym for a year and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: come less than ten times, some of them less than
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: five would blow people's mind. You're like, oh, as if
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: anyone don't trust me, people do it a lot. And
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: so then trying it for me to understand what's all
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the humans stuff and the people stuff underneath the body stuff,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: because I'm not bad with bodies, but I don't really
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: understand people. So that was and I was probably twenty
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: two or three working as a gym instructor, just before
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I started personal training and my first book I wrote
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: terrible title but good intention. The book was called Fattitude,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: which is essentially this is pre political correctness right like
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Core of a century ago. But it was really about
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the psychology of getting in shape. And I use getting
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: in shape as a blanket term for whatever people want
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to achieve with their body. Right, So, yeah, I was,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm stillgo. You know, my research, my current research.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So for me, I'm way more interested in minds and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: brains and human behavior and psychology and why we do
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: shit and why we think the way we do. Way
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: more interested in all of that than muscles. Muscles are great,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: but you knowuscles just respond to the mind.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I really like that muscles respond to the mind.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: They just do what you make them do.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. The first time I signed up for a gym,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I was I think I was about twenty four, so
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: you know, a couple of years ago, and I went
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: in and it was this great, big, intimidating gym. It
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: was actually Broadmeadows Leisure Center, so you can imagine kind
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: of what it was like. It was lots of weight,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it's lots of dudes. And I met with this trainer
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: and she was talking me through all of the machines
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and we're coming up with the program and I thought, yea,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: this is great, I can do this. And then she said,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: it's always really obvious when somebody is lying about what
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: they eat, because nothing will change with their workouts. And
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I thought, oh shit, like I actually I never thought
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: of it in that way. I just thought, if you're
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: working out, then you know, you'll get muscle, you'll get lean,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you'll get fit. Thinking about the nutrition part of it,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: it never well, it never came into my mind in
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: my twenties for sure. So to hear that for you
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: in your twenties that it just all started to click
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: for you that there was all of this correlation between
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: mind and body. That's really cool that at that age
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that's what you figured out.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well you think about think about what are
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: some even if we just go through a quick chest
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: list checklist, what are some of the things that impact
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the way that your body works or the way that
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: it looks or the way that it feels, or its
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: body composition, or your immune system, or your energy levels
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: or your overall health state whatever that is. You know go,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: oh well, we go, well, there's exercise, yeah, and then
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: under that, well there's strength training and fitness training and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: muscular endurance and aerobic endurance and flexibility and balance and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: speed and coordination and like oh fuck, there's just and
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: then how much should you train and how hard should
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you train? And how much of this should you do
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: versus that and how often? And by the way, what
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: is intensity is seven out of ten for me seven
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: out of ten for you? No, because all of this
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: is unique to the individual, right So, and then oh well,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: how much recovery should I have and how much time
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: between sets? And should I train legs twice a week
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: or once a week? And should I do interval training
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: or should I do steady state cardio training? And should
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I do it on a treadmill? Is that better than outside?
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Or is outside better? Because running on a treadmill has
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: got a fucking deck. And right now, that's just one component.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: That's before we get to sleep. That's before we get
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to food. That's before we get to lifestyle and booze
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and drugs and stress. And I mean, what people don't
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: understand is there are a fucking million variables that impact
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: your body. So you can go to the gym five
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: days a week and train like an Olympian and look
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: like dog shit and feel like dogshit because you don't sleep,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: You're constantly stressed, you're pumping out cortisol all day, your
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: diet is substandard, and you drink booze every day. But
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: five days a week you train like a hero. Well
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: that's good, but that's like five percent of it, you know.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So it's it's about optimizing. You know this, and I've
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: said this to you before, but it's like I'm like,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm sixty one. I can't get another body,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: can't get better genetics, can't get more hours in a day,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: can't undo anything that I've done, can't go back and
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: change history, can't wake up tomorrow and b sixty three.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: So with my body, with my genetics, with my fucked shoulders,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: with my time, with my money, with my resources, with
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: my intentions and goals, what should I do? How do
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I optimize my body? Now? If we didn't have emotions,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: all we'd do is go, what's the best thing for me?
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And we'd figure that out and then we just do it.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: But we have emotions, so we go and fucking hurts today,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Kelly looked at me and fuck, I'm back. And then
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: we wake up and it's five years down the track.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: It's now two thousand and thirty and we're doing the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: same thing that didn't work in twenty twenty five. And
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: then we reach for the excuse jar and go, oh,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: but you don't understand, right, I'm like, I've just had
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes people quite rightly, might think I'm intolerant.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I am not. But I've just had the same conversation
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: with people for forty years. So that, Oh, you don't
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: understand my body, you don't understand my sits. You don't.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe, but maybe you don't understand what's required
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: to actually fucking change. Maybe you don't want to do
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the work. Maybe you're in love with the idea, but
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: maybe you are terrified of the process. Maybe you want
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: to talk about it, but you don't want to do it,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: which is why you're always posting shit on social media,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: but you're never actually fucking doing anything in secret when
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: no one's looking, because you want attention. Now, all of
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: these things are barriers. I feel like I've opened a
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: new door hell insac. All of these things are barriers
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: to you becoming independently strong and self sufficient because the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: more we the more we depend. How do I say this,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: The more we are dependent right on accolades and endorsement
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: and around of applause. And you're amazing, Kelly. Oh you
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: went for a run. Look at you. Oh you posted
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: your time and your distance and your heart rate. And oh,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: good on you, and oh look and look what she's
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: eating for breakfast, You're amazing. All that, to me is
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: such toxic psychological bullshit because all we're doing is looking
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: for approval. All we're doing is looking for approval. I'm
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: not okay, let me re date that often what we're
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: doing is looking for approval. And for me, I know
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: it's a very common thing to do, so I know
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I'm probably getting in trouble. But the reason that I
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: say it is because I want people to be independently
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: committed and proactive and productive. And if people know good,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: if people don't know good, like, what we don't need
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: is a bunch of people who addicted, who are addicted
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to attention, who are addicted to positive reinforcement, who will
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: not do what's required unless there's some kind of social
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: recognition or trophy, because now all we've built is another
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: addiction that we have to meet or feed versus you know, like,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and I'm a fuck up. I fuck up all the time.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: But yesterday I got home at nearly ten o'clock from
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: seeing my mum and my dad, and I've been busy
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: all day, so I hadn't been for our walk and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: as you know, my rock bottom is ten thousand. And
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: by the time I bought all the shit in from
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the card that I looked at my steps and I've
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: done like four thousand, five hundred. I'm like, oh goody.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So I just put on a coat and I went out.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I went out and I did six thousand steps at
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. And just because I've got to do ten thousand.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And I know that life doesn't end if I don't.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: But I go, all right, well, what else do I
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: need to do? Nothing in particular, Can I get another
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: six thousand done? I can? And so and I know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: ironically I'm now talking about it on my show, right,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: but for a reason, you know, But it's like, what
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: can you do when no one's looking? Because we're trying
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: to build habits that are just ingrained, not behaviors, habits
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: that are present when someone's looking.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just on that though, and if it's okay, I'm
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: going to challenge a little bit about a pro how
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: close do you think the idea of approval is to accountability?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: So I know, for instance, I will post some gym
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: shots of myself, like I'm not talking about you know,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: posing and all that kind of stuff, but I like
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: to share a little bit. I know that people who
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: my friends, they quite often will say, oh, we like it,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: and sure, yeah, I post a few things I find
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: that I do that like. It's not approval as such,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: more so accountability. And I've listened to and read quite
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: a few things where there's people who they might be
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: socially isolated or lonely or don't have big groups of people,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and so they're like, well, for me posting this online,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: it's actually it's pushing me out of a form of
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: my comfort zone and it's making me accountable to whoever
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: it is, could be the invisible audience that they have. Yeah,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: how close do you think? Approval and accountability are linked?
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Linked? For sure? And I think what you're saying is
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: very reasonable, and which is why I backtracked and I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: went not all off it right, And I still think
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: it's often. Have I ever put up a photo of
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: me doing something? I have? Probably probably twice a year.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I'll put up a well, probably once a year, a
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: photo of me training. And by the way, do I
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: like it when people go you look good? Of course
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I do, of course I do. Do I like it
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: when I get praise fucking oath.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Well, are you human?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a human. I know it's incredible.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: But I think the problem kel is when the behavior
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: only happens when we get the attention and the approval,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and when that is the reason for the I'm doing
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: this to get that. So I think it depends on
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the reason, the underlying reason. You know. It's like you
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: can do something nice for someone just because you fucking
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: love them and you're a good human, or you can
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: do something nice for someone because you think you're going
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to get something back. So it's completely strategic, not loving.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Like it's the same thing driven by a different driver
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: or a different emotion. You know. One is I'm putting
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: this shit up because when I put it up, it
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: just it keeps me in the zone and it might
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: encourage a few other people. And like, one of the
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: reasons I put up stuff is because I want people
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to see someone who's old, who's in pretty good shape. Yep,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: that's it, you know, But that's why I do it
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: very infrequently, but I want, you know, I think one
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: of the biggest things, one of the challenges for me anyway,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: is to get people to believe in themselves and to it,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: or at least get curious more curious about their potential.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was another question that I had. Have you
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: like those moments? Have you remembered those moments when you
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: see that switch flick within someone where it just all
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: clicks into place and that you know that Yep, Okay,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: they've got this.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a very current story that
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I've never told because it happened yesterday, right, So this
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: is brand new to the you project. So yesterday, my
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: dad's best friend is a guy called Gil. And you
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: may or may not remember my kind of pseudo mom
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: passed away six months ago. Ray. Yeah, she was what
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I called my second mom and I was her only
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: son in inverted commas because she's got four daughters, had
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: four daughters. All the girls are still around there like
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: my sisters. Blah blah blah blah. Anyway, so I took Gil,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: who's the husband my pseudo dad. I chatted to him
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: through the week and he's eighty five going on fifty five.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: He's a freak, right, I rang him the other day.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: This is true. So he lives in Morewell, out of Morewell,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: in amongst the what used to be called the stray
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and paper mill, but forests with all these just like
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: kilometers and kilometers and kilometers of just trees, and there's
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: all these fire trails and dirt trails. So he's eighty five.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I rang him and it's I was about to hang up,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and he answered, and he'd answered on his ear piece
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: and he'd pressed, whatever, I don't even have one of those,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: and he pressed, and he was on his mountain bike
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: on a twenty five k ride in the dirt. But
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: this is what he's like. He's a weapon. And anyway,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: he'd spoken to me a bit about, you know, getting
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: doing some strength training because he's very very like he
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: has a farm, is very bloky, very blokey, buildshit, fixes shit,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: but you know, just doing something too consciously anyway to
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: build strength. And I went, well, look, I can come
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: over and write your program. I said, but why don't
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: we just like meet There's a gym literally five minutes
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: from his house. Let's just meet there. I'll take you
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: in here. He's like, I don't really want to train
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: in a gym, Like he never trained in a gym,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: and so I went, I'll tell you what, Let's just
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: meet there. Let's do it there. Because it's much more
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: convenient than me trying to teach you shit in your
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: lounge room or garage. So I took him there. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: because he's got a very, very mechanical engineering brain, creates things,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: builds things, and he never really been in a gym
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: like that, and he was jumping on you know, like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: for example, the pinloaded leg press, you know, like the
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: one at Snap that you use or I use, and
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, look at this, and like
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: all of these and just all of these different like
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I just got him to use pinloaded stuff, right, because
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: it's a nice starting point. He was just blown away.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: He had he had this idea of what a gym was,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and that he would look stupid because he's eighty five
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and obviously everyone would be thirty with massive muscles and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: lean and a Miss World contestant or a Mister Universe contestant.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And he was not that. And he had this whole story.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And we went there yesterday afternoon at like three o'clock
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: in the thriving metropolis of Morewell. While there was you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: one bloke and a cat, there was no one there, right,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And so we trained him. By the end of it,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: he's like I'm going to join. I didn't say, do
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you want to join? He goes, I'm going to join?
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: How good is all this stuff? I go, ah, you
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: know so? And I think that you know you said
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: before you walked into a great big intimidating gym, whereas
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I would go, no, you didn't. You walked into a
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: space that you labeled a great big intimidating gym because
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: most people in there on that day and not thinking
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I'm in a great big intimidating gym, but you are
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: right then. I don't know how long you went there for,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: but I'm sure after a period of time you didn't
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: call it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: That, not at all. Like I ended up going there
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: for about three three years, and it was the second home,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the same way that the gym now is. And it's
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: interesting because I got over that and looked at it
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: in terms of, well, how can I use this place?
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: What can it do for me? Yeah, going to a
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: gym is a it's a comfort for me now and
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: it's I don't know how us to describe it. It
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: does great things for my body and my mind. And
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I remember actually one time bumping into you before we
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: really started talking, and my psychologist had said to me,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: what I'm prescribing to you is it will never be drugs.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: It will be exercise. You need to exercise every single
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: day and that will be the biggest help for you.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: And that was for anxiety.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: And I was won by the way. What a great
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: psychologist whoever he or she is, shout out to them,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: that's amazing.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible. And I remember walking in and I bumped
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: into you, and you said, so, what are you training today?
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And I was going there to train my brain to
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: shed the shit from the day, to really just get
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: my mind in shape. And I said, legs and just
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: walked in because it was still we didn't know each
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: other all that well then, and it wasn't really at
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: a time socially we're talking about mental health was something
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: that was so open, whereas now it's like, well, no,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I actually for my mind need to go in and
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: do all of that. So yeah, so you're right, Like
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: initially it was, it was big and intimidating, and then
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: after that I was like, no, no.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: This is great and this is beautiful, right because this
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: is the this is back to the subjective objective what
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it is how I see it, you know, the objective
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: reality of something. Oh, it's a space, it's got equipment,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: equipment in it. My story is it's great and big
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and intimidating. Right, that's your story. And by the way,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: there's no criticism in this because I've you know, I've
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: gone in front of academic panels of four people, by
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the way, four people the guy who talks to a
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: thousand in a room, and I'm like, this is the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: most terrifying fucking experience in my life. This is you know.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, no, that's your that's your version
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: of it, Craig. It's just four people listening to you talk.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh yeah, but I'm the dumbest in
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the room by a million miles. And this is their
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: this is their natural habitat. I'm not an academic blah blah.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I have this whole story. And I've done four of those,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: now what they're called academic milestones through your PhD, And
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: the first one to the last one was a very
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: different experience, you know, because you're like, ah, I get it.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: And all of the trauma is created by my thinking,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: all of the discomfort is a result of my story
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: about the big intimidating gym or the big intimidating academics
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: looking at me, listening to me, which is not to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: say it's not real. It's real, but it's like, you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: it's that old chestnut you lift the ten kilos and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: it's so heavy, and then one day it's so light,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: but it's actually the exact same way, Like why is
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: it light now? Well, because I've changed, I've adapted. I'm different.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Therefore my relationship with that thing is different. The thing
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: that was hard is now easy. And that's like that's
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: with everything. That's like with public speaking. That's like with
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: talking to Craig Harper in the gym. You know you
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: might have been intimidated and then now you're comfortable. You
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: know you were like, oh far, I don't know how
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: you were, but I'm guessing that your experience talk to
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: me on day one, and not that I'm special or anything,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: but I've just been told so many times how fucking
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: terrifying I am, so I must be.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I wasn't. No, I wasn't terrified. I'm sure intimidated, but
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: you know that was probably at that stage intimidated by everyone.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I was curious, and I think I said this last time,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like I would just notice the amount of people that
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: were almost lining up to talk to you. And I
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: was like, who on earth is this person? And I
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: remembered I was seeing a natural path in Hampton and
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: she was friends with you. And then I kind of
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: put it together. And then there was one day we're
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: reading the paper on my partner said, this is the
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: dude from the gym. What's he doing in the paper?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: And yeah, And that's how it all kind of came
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: together as to who you are. And I'm like, that's
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: why people want to talk to him, because he knows shit.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: That's funny, that's funny, that's funny. Well, you know, I
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: mean it's I just think I don't know if I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: should yet fuck it. So he's another first. He's another
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: first on today's episode again brand new. I'm not positive
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: about what I'm about say, but I'm about ninety percent.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: So I'm writing a new workshop. Right, Melissa might punch
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: me in the face. But Melissa, if you edit this
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: where you can edit it out or you can punch
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: me in the face of both. But so I'm writing
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a new workshop which I'm going to wheel out around
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Australia too, you know, all around. So I think I'm
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: going to most major cities between kind of August and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the end of the year. And the workshop is called
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: the You Experiment, right, and it's about it's about the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: reality that what will work for Kelly won't work for Jane.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: What will be optimal for Kelly could be catastrophic for Sally. Right,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: what will work for my training partner the crab won't
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: work for me for a range of reasons, or it
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: might kind of work kind of the same, or and
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: it's trying to figure out okay for me in you know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: if we personalize it to you, for me, for Kelly Smith,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: what's the best job for me? What's the best environment
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: for me to work in? How do I best what's
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: the best kind of leadership style for me? Or how
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: do I be a great team member? Or what what
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: about what time of the day should I eat? How
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: much sleep do I need?
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Do it?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: What about I don't know does fruit juice work for me?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Or do I just crank out too much insulin? Or
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: what about how do I deal with stressful situations? What
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: works for me? And so in the world of self
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: help and psychology and personal developments, and it's almost like
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: this siloed kind of thinking of, oh, well, you need
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: to try harder, be more, you know, be your best self,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: live your best life, and you know, like fast and
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: eat this many meals and fucking lift weights and maybe
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: you know, or don't lift weights. Maybe go rock climbing
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: or maybe do pilates, or maybe do body weight exercise,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: or maybe fucking climb a tree. Or maybe maybe don't
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: go for a run, maybe hike in nature. Maybe don't
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: sit on an exercise bike, maybe get a real bike.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe don't take drugs because your psychologist said you don't
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: need to, so you go for a walk or you
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: go to the gym. You know. It's so like my
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: whole thing is trying to get the message out that
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: despite what you get told, there is almost nothing that
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: works for everybody equally. Yeah, yeah, I don't think. I
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: can't think of one thing where this diet, this protocol,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: this strategy, this workout, this amount of sleep, whatever it is,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: where that particular approach to solving that problem where the
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: answer is the same for everybody, because it just doesn't exist.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: No, it can't. And we discussed that last time as well,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: that the one size fits all is just ridiculous. And
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: then after that discussion, I was reading from another podcast
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: as she was saying, I'm so fed up with the
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: fitness industry because for five minutes, you're told to do
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: hit and then you're told to do CrossFit, and then
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: you're told to go for a run, and then you're
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: told to fast, and then you're told that you need
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: to have threely of water a day, and then you're
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: told that you need to do this, but hold on,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: that's not on trend anymore, so you need to do this,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: and then you need to wear these shoes. And she said,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: it is so overwhelming, and I'm so sick of it,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and I just want to do what is right for
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: me without being told that this or that is right
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: for me. And she said, so I'm off to pilates
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: because that's what I enjoy and if I enjoy it,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: then I'll stick with it. And I thought great.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: And her frustration is I'm sure very common, you know,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: very shared. So I think I think you know like
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: and we've spoke many times about tracking data, you know.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: That's why I call it the you experiment. It's like,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: figure out what you know, Like, do you want to
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: see how your body responds to weights? Do three days
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: a week for six weeks. See what happens. You might
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: get great results, you might not. You might love it,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: you might hate it. You might last four sessions and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: go fuck this, or you know, maybe you'll go, I'm
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: not gonna I'm going to give up coffee. I might
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: do four weeks without coffee and see what happens, you know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: or I might like me when I started walking my
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: minimum ten thousand steps a day. It's the single best
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: thing that I've done for me in the last five years,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: and such a fundamental, basic, simple thing, like not that
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I not that I care so much about what I weigh,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: but I pretty quickly lost four kilos, which i've so
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I was eighty five for the last twenty years, give
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: or take, and now maybe one. I stay there. I
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: haven't lost any strength. If I've lost any muscle, I don't.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I can't see it. Maybe I have. But my brain
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: works better, my energy is better, I think my you know,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: like my attitude, my emotions are better. I enjoy being
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: out there. The back issues that I've had for twenty
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: years seem to be touchwood miraculously gone because I'm just
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: walking so much. And I also do some backward walking
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: by the way. Everyone backward walking obviously in the right
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: place and done the right way, it can be fucking precarious.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about, you know, along Chapel Street. But
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just like, oh, who would have thought
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: that the exercise scientists with a million years of experience
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: and all of this shit would discover in inverted commas
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: that walking was fucking groundbreaking? And you know, for me,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: just amazing. And the guy that used to only run
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: five to fifteen k's who does three two kilometer runs
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: a week. In the old days, they would have gone
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: two kilometers. Fuck two kilometers. What's the benefit of two kilometers?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: You're not even more You're not even getting out of
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: the house. And now I go out the side gate,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I run like Phoebe Buffet. If anyone watches friends, you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I run like a crazy person for two k's. I
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: get home in about whatever nine or ten minutes and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I go boom. That's me. And it's literally thirty minutes
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: or twenty five minutes a week of my life. And yeah,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: it just but you just figure out what works. So
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: that's I've spent my life figuring out what works for
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: me and trying to help others do the same.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know maybe with this new around the
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: country experiment, you might meet a few people where you
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: know you can just look at them and go, you're
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: going to do it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Well, it's always good talking to you. Be quite good
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: at this. What's on for the rest of the day
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: for you, It's Sunday.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Well, actually we're going for a walk. We're heading to
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: the botanical gardens and we're going for a walk. So
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Sunday is a rest from the gym. I go six
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: days and today it's a walk.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Beautiful. Will you enjoy your walk, You enjoy your week
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: at work, and always appreciate you coming on to the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: new project and grilling me. Thanks Cal, Thanks Craig.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: It was fun.