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Mississippi mom murdered after taking daughters' cell phone? Suspected nail shop killer captured! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: neighbor says, the girl stopped at his home asking for
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Speaker 1: a ride to McCall, Mississippi, and tap on the window
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Speaker 1: and it's two little girls and they told me that
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Speaker 1: all they needed a ride to McCone their grandmother had paid.
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Speaker 1: Jeremy Lennier leaves directly across the street. He says, when
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Speaker 1: the girl stopped by, he and his mother saw lights
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Speaker 1: on at the home and the car on. Soon after
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Speaker 1: calling other family members, they found Erica Hall on the
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Speaker 1: other side of the car with a knife in her back.
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Speaker 1: He found on the other side of the car, laid
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Speaker 1: out she had the knife and up back on to
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Speaker 1: Erica Hall was a single mother. She worked at Sanderson
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Speaker 1: Farms in Pike County. I've always seen her gone even
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Speaker 1: out in the evening's afternoons, going out soon going to work.
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Speaker 1: And so that fact that happened at night, it must
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Speaker 1: have been fairly late, unless it was one of her
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Speaker 1: nights off, because she was usually work. In a night
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Speaker 1: did a fourteen year old and a twelve year old
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Speaker 1: girls sisters stab and shoot their mother dad as brutal
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Speaker 1: payback after they were in the family car. What do
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Speaker 1: we know? I know right now that Erica Hall was
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Speaker 1: brutally murdered, stabbed, and shot. A hard working mother, a
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Speaker 1: single mom joining me. Syndicated talk show host Dave matt
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Speaker 1: cop turned PI, author of playbook to a Murder on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, former felony prosecutor, now defense attorney, Holly Hughes,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychologist doctor William July. You can find him at
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Speaker 1: doctor William July dot com. Dave mac is almost too
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Speaker 1: much for me to take in a mom stabbed and
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Speaker 1: shot man. Talk about overkill. I don't know. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: need to shrink on that, Doctor William July, But Dave
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Speaker 1: Mack does. Let's just start at the beginning, before these
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Speaker 1: two little girls are blamed. What do we know about
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Speaker 1: the crime? Well, what we know right now is that
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Speaker 1: there was a lot going on prior to the actual
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Speaker 1: murder that took place. Fourteen year old and twelve year old.
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Speaker 1: They're two of the four children of Erica Hill. She
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Speaker 1: had four children. Oldest was sixteen, youngest was one, the
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Speaker 1: twelve and the fourteen year old. A week before the murder,
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Speaker 1: apparently tried to run their mother over with the family car.
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Speaker 1: Police were called, but the mother declined to press any charges. Apparently,
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Speaker 1: after that attempt on her life, she took away the
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Speaker 1: girl's cell phones, and that's what led to what took
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Speaker 1: place when the fourteen year old and twelve year old
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Speaker 1: allegedly stabbed and then shot their mother. When she was
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Speaker 1: getting the gun out of her car to try to
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Speaker 1: protect herself, the knife was left in her back. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm don't understand this was this over taking away
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Speaker 1: the phone. Well, we don't know if we don't know everything.
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Speaker 1: What we do know, Nancy, is that there was something
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Speaker 1: going on that caused these fourteen year old and the
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Speaker 1: twelve year old to try to run her over a
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Speaker 1: week before the murder with her car. We don't know
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Speaker 1: what led to that, but we know that after that
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Speaker 1: attempt on her life, that that's when she pulled their
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Speaker 1: cell phones. So obviously something was going on here between
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Speaker 1: mom and the fourteen year old and the twelve year old.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't you know, it didn't just spring up out
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Speaker 1: of nothing. There was something really going on here between
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Speaker 1: this family members straight out to doctor William July, renowned psychologists.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at doctor Williams july dot com
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Speaker 1: doctor July. That's the only punishment that I levy against
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Speaker 1: the twins right now. I really didn't want them to
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Speaker 1: have a phone to start with. I thought, you know,
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Speaker 1: I thought that that would bake them subject to predators
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Speaker 1: and to freaks online. But I broke down and let
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Speaker 1: them have a phone. Now it's their prize possession. Okay,
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Speaker 1: they're going on twelve, believe it or not. And that's
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Speaker 1: the thing that I use as leverage. If you don't X,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your phone away, like finish your homework
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Speaker 1: or whatever it is, this mom gets stabbed and shot. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: in a in a normal situation, Nancy, where you have
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Speaker 1: normally functioning children in the normally functioning environment, the process
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Speaker 1: you described as having a phone, which is something that
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Speaker 1: kids really treasure, using that as something to condition them
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Speaker 1: to the right behavior for rewards and that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: That's normal. But apparently, and of course I don't know
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Speaker 1: the details of the situation, but this is not obviously
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Speaker 1: a not a normally functioning situation. The first thing that
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Speaker 1: I wonder is where did the kids see the behavior
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Speaker 1: modeled that they are now manifesting because you and not.
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Speaker 1: A normally functioning child in a normal environment is not
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Speaker 1: going to stab their mother and contemplate these sorts of
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Speaker 1: things towards their mother. If there's not some sort of
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Speaker 1: modeling going on where they're seeing this sort of thing
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Speaker 1: take place and becoming somewhat normal to them to think that. Well.
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Speaker 1: On the other hand, Dr William and Jelli, we have
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Speaker 1: no indication anything like this or any violence was ever
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Speaker 1: in the home. We have a mom working her tail
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Speaker 1: off to support for children, but I do know this.
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Speaker 1: Emergency workers tried to resuscitate Erica Hall, who her relatives
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Speaker 1: found her covered in blood outside the family home just
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Speaker 1: minutes before emt arrived. She could not be saved. They
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Speaker 1: found the two daughters, both juveniles, which is trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out if these girls are responsible why Listen Deputies
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Speaker 1: are investigating the death of a thirty two year old woman.
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Speaker 1: Corner says she was stabbed multiple times and possibly shot.
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Speaker 1: Had victim identified as Erica Hall. She was reportedly murdered
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Speaker 1: on Lawson Road in a Magnolia last Friday. She was
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Speaker 1: standing in a bed that the knife was stealing her being.
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Speaker 1: Hall's body is now the state Crime Lab for autopsy.
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Speaker 1: Deputies are interviewing people in connection with this case. What
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Speaker 1: we are understanding is that the attack followed an incident
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Speaker 1: a few days earlier where the girls had their cell
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Speaker 1: phone taken away. But I want to go out to
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Speaker 1: Holly Hughes, felony prosecutor, now defast attorney. The reason she
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Speaker 1: took the cell phone away is because apparently one of
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Speaker 1: the girls tried to run over her with the car,
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Speaker 1: but she declined to prosecute exactly, and Nancy, that's why
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Speaker 1: a lot of times the state will say we don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily need the victim to go forward because the state
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Speaker 1: will step in and recognize there are some really deep
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Speaker 1: underlying issues. So once the police are called. In our jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: once the police are called, somebody is going to jail
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Speaker 1: or to the juvenile detention center until we can figure
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Speaker 1: out what's happening with this family. Have these girls been
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Speaker 1: taken to a juvenile detention center and a proper examination performed,
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Speaker 1: this mom might still be alive. So it is difficult
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Speaker 1: to prosecute without a victim or a witness to testify,
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Speaker 1: but it can be done. Obviously, this is not about
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Speaker 1: a cell phone. This is deeper and longer to have
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Speaker 1: that much rage and to act out in that fierce
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Speaker 1: of a manner against the very person who is loving
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Speaker 1: you and putting a roof over your head and feeding
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Speaker 1: you and seeing that you have clothes to go to
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Speaker 1: school in. This is not about a cell phone. You
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Speaker 1: were just hearing from our friends at WJTV. That was
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Speaker 1: Andrew Harrison reporting. Deputies are investigating the death of a
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Speaker 1: thirty two year old mom afour, Erica Hall, who has
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Speaker 1: found stabbed and shot at her Magnolia, Mississippi home. It's
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Speaker 1: not so much now as a who done it, but
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Speaker 1: why she was stabbed in a band the life was
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Speaker 1: still in her bank. Robin Coney is devastated by the
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Speaker 1: horrifying way her niece, thirty two year old Erica Nicole Hall,
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Speaker 1: was killed. According to Pike County Coroner Jason Jones, Hall
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Speaker 1: was stabbed multiple times in her upper torso and back,
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Speaker 1: also suffering a gunshot wound to the chest. It happened
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Speaker 1: at her mobile home at the intersection of Lawson Road
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Speaker 1: and Magnolia Holmesville Road. Deputies arrested her fourteen and twelve
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Speaker 1: year old daughters. The girls you know. They was like,
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Speaker 1: when I drove up there was lights TC. We didn't
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Speaker 1: do this, we didn't do this, And I was like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: if y'all didn't do it, where was y'all when the
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Speaker 1: people's that was doing it did it. Fourteen year old
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Speaker 1: a Mariana Hall was charged as an adult with murder.
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Speaker 1: The twelve year old's name and charges are not being released.
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Speaker 1: Family members tell us Hall was home alone with the
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Speaker 1: two girls Friday night when an argument occurred. It was
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Speaker 1: her gun. He was at her cost, so they hadn't
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Speaker 1: got it out. So I guess when they was doing
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Speaker 1: all that to her, she was probably trying to get
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Speaker 1: to her gun to fight for her life. Hall is
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Speaker 1: also the mother of a sixteen year old and a
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Speaker 1: one year old. You are hearing from our friends at
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Speaker 1: w LBTTV. That's Rosslyn Anderson reporting on the death of
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Speaker 1: Erica Hall. I want to go out to Dave Max
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Speaker 1: syndicated talk show us what more can you tell us? Well,
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Speaker 1: the one thing to note here, Nancy, is that Robert
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Speaker 1: Cony was Erica Hall's aunt, and she said that the
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Speaker 1: kids were problems. Okay, the fourteen year old and the
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Speaker 1: twelve year old. They refused to go to school, and
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Speaker 1: the Erica Hall was trying to get them help. She
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Speaker 1: was trying to get them counseling. She was according to Coney,
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Speaker 1: she said that she was going to send them off
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Speaker 1: because they refused to go to school. Now I don't again.
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Speaker 1: Now we're going back to there was an underlying cause
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Speaker 1: of all of this that was going on. But the
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Speaker 1: mother's single mom. She's got four kids and two of
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Speaker 1: them refusing to abide by her wishes and do the
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Speaker 1: basic things of going to school. There were a lot
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Speaker 1: of issues here. What we are learning is that Erica
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Speaker 1: Hall was initially an attack inside her home that she
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Speaker 1: shared with the two girls, the twelve year old and
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Speaker 1: the fourteen year old. She somehow managed to stagger outside
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Speaker 1: the home and it was there that she died. She
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Speaker 1: was stabbed in the back, according to sources, the knife
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Speaker 1: still in the mom's back. Now, both the girls denied
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Speaker 1: stabbing their mom, and they were questioned, if you didn't
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Speaker 1: do it, then where were you when it happened. Now
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Speaker 1: we know that the killing of mom before Erica Hall
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Speaker 1: was after an argument in the family home. We know
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Speaker 1: that Erica owned a gun, So question did the girls
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Speaker 1: get the gun out of the car. Did they plan this?
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Speaker 1: Was it spur of the moment? We know that the
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Speaker 1: girls were very calm when they went to a neighbor's
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Speaker 1: home asking for a ride. They said, then their grandmother
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Speaker 1: had just died. So the neighbor calls Erica to confirm
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Speaker 1: that the grandma had passed away and gets no answer.
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Speaker 1: That seems to me like this was a plan and
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Speaker 1: that they were trying to get away from the scene
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Speaker 1: anyway that they could. What about that too, Doctor Williams
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Speaker 1: July psychologist. You can find them at doctor Williams July
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Speaker 1: dot com. Being at the neighbor's home, calm, cool and
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Speaker 1: collected so quickly after that doesn't look good for them,
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Speaker 1: No it doesn't. And what I'm hearing here makes me
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Speaker 1: wonder if these again, these these girls have maybe not
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Speaker 1: in possibly not in the home. We don't know yet,
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Speaker 1: but possibly not in the home. But again, there's something
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Speaker 1: in this system going on, the system of things that
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Speaker 1: influenced them, the people, the places, maybe what they watch
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Speaker 1: on uh kind of programming that they're watching on television
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But there's there's not the normal sense of
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Speaker 1: stop in their in their brain process, and who knows
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Speaker 1: what that might be. And that I really, I really
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Speaker 1: agree with what the prosecutors said before. As someone had
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Speaker 1: these children professionally psychologically evaluated, we wouldn't have these questions today.
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Speaker 1: There would have been intervention because we would have seen.
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Speaker 1: But in my experience, what I see is sometimes there
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Speaker 1: are issues where there are deep, deep issues in the child,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe abused, maybe things that have caused this
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Speaker 1: child to think in a way that it's not rational
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Speaker 1: and not normal for normal functioning. And so that's what's
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Speaker 1: gonna become very apparent as these children are are are
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Speaker 1: investigated further. There's something that happened here, and it causes
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Speaker 1: the person to think in an upside down way. Things
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Speaker 1: that are normal and moral become have become wrong to them,
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Speaker 1: and things that are wrong become normal. And that's why
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Speaker 1: they could probably see what they did as something that
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Speaker 1: was just not a big deal, you know. To Holly Hughes,
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Speaker 1: veteran prosecutor now Atlanta defense attorney, Holly, I'm gonna take
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Speaker 1: you back in time. I know you're going to remember this.
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Speaker 1: I know you recall Judge Josephine Holmes Cook, a superior
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Speaker 1: court judge I handled many many murder cases in front
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Speaker 1: of her, or she had been I think a defense
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Speaker 1: attorney or a probate attorney before she got on the bench,
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Speaker 1: and perfectly pleasant kind. I never really heard a bad
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Speaker 1: word about her. Of course, I did not fraternize with her,
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Speaker 1: because in my mind that would have been inappropriate, since
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Speaker 1: I tried cases in front of her. But I remember
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Speaker 1: when Judge Josephine Holmes Cook was murdered and it turned
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Speaker 1: out to be her teen son. Do you remember that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is really rare for a child to
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Speaker 1: kill their parents. I do remember, and I also remember
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Speaker 1: the prosecutors who prosecuted that, and you and I know them,
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Speaker 1: Susie and Clint and just I'm also thinking Nancy, especially
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Speaker 1: of Nicky Whitehead today, who was murdered by her twin
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Speaker 1: sixteen year old daughters in Rockdale County in two and ten,
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Speaker 1: Jasmi and Jasmian. And they tortured that woman and drown
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Speaker 1: her and beat her and just ganged up on her.
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Speaker 1: And something is seriously long, I mean, deep psychological problems
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Speaker 1: when these children, who again NICKI was a hard working
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Speaker 1: single mother trying to get it together. You know, Judge Cook,
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Speaker 1: like you said this wonderful woman, and these children just
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Speaker 1: go off and murder their caretakers and the people who
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Speaker 1: would be their champions, who would help them through whatever
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Speaker 1: is going on. If only these children would get the
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Speaker 1: help and would get the counseling that they need. So yes,
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Speaker 1: I do remember Judge Cook, and I do remember Nicky
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Speaker 1: Whitehead today. Especially when I heard this headline, my mind
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Speaker 1: just splashed back to twenty ten immediately, and it was awful,
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Speaker 1: you know. To Dave mac Sindecate, a talk show host
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Speaker 1: reporting with US today, Dave Mac, when you say that
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Speaker 1: they were giving her trouble about going to school, just
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Speaker 1: imagine a mother of four, raising four children by herself,
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Speaker 1: and she's got a twelve year old one fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old girl who won't go to school. What are you
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Speaker 1: gonna do? Beat them and drag them physically to school?
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Speaker 1: And you know, it starts. It starts with small things
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Speaker 1: like not wanting to go to school, not doing what
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Speaker 1: you asked them to do, not putting away their cell
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Speaker 1: phone or their iPad, being insolent back. I don't mean
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Speaker 1: just talking back, because every kid's going to do that,
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Speaker 1: but just being me not and then it grows, and
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Speaker 1: then it grows and then it grows, and I don't
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Speaker 1: know what the mom Erica Hall could have done. You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: when you look at this and I've got four kids,
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Speaker 1: and whenever there was one acting out, you could isolate
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Speaker 1: and deal with that situation. Here you've got two fourteen
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Speaker 1: and twelve and very close in age and teaming up.
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Speaker 1: And mom was working third shifts, so she's working all night.
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Speaker 1: Would come home, go to bed, expecting the twelve and
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old to follow the sixteen year old and
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Speaker 1: go to school. But they just flat out and refused.
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Speaker 1: They were being incredibly rebellious and then being able to
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Speaker 1: team up. But I keep going back to the fact
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Speaker 1: that other family members said that she was she was
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Speaker 1: talking about having problems with them and was talking about
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Speaker 1: needing to get them help. That she was again I
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Speaker 1: go back to this one quote she was going to
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Speaker 1: send them off. I don't know exactly what that entails.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to hear more about it, but there was
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Speaker 1: obviously a lot going on with the twelve and fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old. Nothing is said about having problems with a
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Speaker 1: sixteen year old, and so you've got these two that
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Speaker 1: are teaming up from gang up on lam Now take
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Speaker 1: a listen to WAPTTVS Ross Adams. Fourteen year old Mariana
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Speaker 1: Hall and her twelve year old sister are charged in
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Speaker 1: connection with the killing of their mother. Deputies found Erica
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Speaker 1: Hall unresponsive in the front yard of a house late
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Speaker 1: Friday night. Paramedics rushed Hall to a local hospital, where
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Speaker 1: she died. Investigators say it looked like Hall was shot
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Speaker 1: at least once and stabbed several times. According to witnesses,
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Speaker 1: after the girls killed their mom, they dragged her body
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Speaker 1: to the other side of the car so that anybody
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Speaker 1: driving by wouldn't see it. Investigators say a Mariana Hall
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Speaker 1: this Glendale neighborhood, where FBI agents arrested her without incident.
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Speaker 1: According to her warrants, authorities arrested Whipple on murder and
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Speaker 1: burglary charges this past Monday. Whipple's cousin, Crystal and Harrison
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Speaker 1: called for her arrest. She needs to turn herself in,
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Speaker 1: come clean. She can't run forever. When Harrison found out
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Speaker 1: her cousin was behind bars, a moment of relief set in,
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Speaker 1: but then she says a lot of confusion make she
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Speaker 1: did get caught, but it just says Aunt barns stride.
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Speaker 1: She thinks it startbreaking. As Whipple's family deals with these emotions.
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Speaker 1: The victims family continues to mourn her nail salon closed
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Speaker 1: on Friday in memory of knock Wynn. Speaking on behalf
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Speaker 1: of Whipple's family, Harrison at a loss for words as
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Speaker 1: she offered their condolences all over thirty five dollars, a
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Speaker 1: thirty dollar manny petty. A woman dad, a mother of
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Speaker 1: three girls, A single mom who, according to everyone that
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Speaker 1: knew her, would go without in order to provide for
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Speaker 1: her three girls, working in a Vegas manicure salon fourteen
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Speaker 1: to sixteen hours a day, even refusing to take lunch
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Speaker 1: breaks or coffee breaks so she wouldn't miss a client.
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Speaker 1: She saved every penny and gave that towards her children.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. You were hearing from our friends there
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Speaker 1: at Action three News in Las Vegas. It's overwhelming to me.
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Speaker 1: Out to Ashley Wilcott. The way that this mother, Ashley
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Speaker 1: Wilcot with us Atlanta juvenile judge lawyer. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Slaved, literally slaved every day,
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Speaker 1: hunched over people's feet and hands. She saved every penny,
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Speaker 1: even going without breaks to try to get her three
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Speaker 1: girls through college. This one makes me sick. What happened
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Speaker 1: to this girl who was the perpetrator, who was the
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Speaker 1: criminal who decided to run over? What was she on?
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Speaker 1: What had she gone through to think that this was
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Speaker 1: acceptable behavior resulting in a death. Let me say something
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Speaker 1: about that mother about she did work her fingers to
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Speaker 1: the bone. It is not a defense, that is not
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Speaker 1: an excuse. But I'm going to say this today's world
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Speaker 1: is a little crazy that we live in. The thirty
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Speaker 1: five dollars isn't worth it. Don't chase somebody off because
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Speaker 1: you just don't know who you're dealing with. You know,
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Speaker 1: just the other day to doctor Daniel Bober, joining US
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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist, said, the banner is the headline is that
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Speaker 1: in the last days there's twenty one year old Crystal
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Speaker 1: Whipple in Glendale, Arizona, arrested on murder. And you were
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Speaker 1: just hearing our friends at ks n V TV also
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Speaker 1: with Whipple's cousin, Crystal and Harrison offering condolences to the family.
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Speaker 1: But that mom cannot be replaced, you know, doctor Daniel Bober.
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Speaker 1: The other day in traffic, I had the twins in
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Speaker 1: the back seat and my husband, my dear who I
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Speaker 1: almost said dearly departed husband, but that would be wrong.
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Speaker 1: He blew the horn at someone in front of us,
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Speaker 1: who didn't, you know, take off when the light turned
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Speaker 1: to green. I said, David, do not do that. He said,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna miss the turnline. And I'm like, you know what,
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Speaker 1: You're right, and I want to make the turnline too,
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Speaker 1: And there was a time I want to sat on
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Speaker 1: the horn just like you just did. But you never know.
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Speaker 1: You look around in red light. Who around you is
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Speaker 1: a convicted felon out on parole or probation. Who who's
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Speaker 1: carrying a gun? Who are these people who's having gonna
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Speaker 1: have road rage? It's just not worth it. It's just
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Speaker 1: not worth it to think this mom of three goes
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Speaker 1: out to try to get that fee thirty bucks for
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Speaker 1: a manicure. She's in front of Whipple's car and you
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Speaker 1: can see it on video, Daniel Boeber and Whipple runs
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Speaker 1: her down. What do you make of what? As she
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Speaker 1: Willcott just said, it just wasn't worth it. Nancy, you
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Speaker 1: know what you're saying is so true. I mean that's
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Speaker 1: why a lot of these companies like banks and drug
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Speaker 1: stores have you know, do not pursue policies. It's just
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Speaker 1: not worth it. And I agree, whether you're sitting in
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Speaker 1: traffic and someone cuts you off, it's just not worth
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Speaker 1: making us think about it because the next thing you know,
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Speaker 1: you could have a gun in your face. Oh, but
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Speaker 1: you know, it's just natural instinct. This woman had been
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Speaker 1: hunched over her hands or feet for how who knows
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Speaker 1: how long? And Whipple goes and tries to pay with
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Speaker 1: a credit card. It was declined because it was stolen.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand, Dave mc joining me, syndicated talk show host,
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Speaker 1: Am I right, I think that the credit card was
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Speaker 1: declined the thirty five dollars because it was stolen. Well,
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Speaker 1: this Whipple, Crystal Whipple, actually was a con artist and
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Speaker 1: an identity thief. She rented the Camaro using false identities
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Speaker 1: and a stolen credit card. She made several other purchases
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Speaker 1: in the days leading up to the murder by using
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Speaker 1: stolen identities, stolen credit cards, and again, as you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: the thirty five dollars was declined because that card had
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Speaker 1: already been turned in as stolen. She said she was
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Speaker 1: going to go out of the car and get more
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Speaker 1: money and that's when she took off the three daughters
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Speaker 1: of Annie Gin. This is destroyed. These three girls lives forever, forever.
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Speaker 1: But doctor Bethany Marshall, people like Crystal Whipple can't help
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Speaker 1: but make themselves known. Explain, no, they cannot. The reason
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Speaker 1: for that, Nancy is, I think Crystal Whipple falls into
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Speaker 1: what we call a cluster B personality. Cluster B is
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Speaker 1: when you have several disorders at once. One might be
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Speaker 1: bipolar illness. Whenever a patient comes to my office with
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Speaker 1: multiple traffic incidents like tickets, DUIs, I always assess for
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Speaker 1: bipolar illness because that causes excessive energy, impulsivity, sometimes callousness.
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Speaker 1: They have rage attacks on the road. And then what
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Speaker 1: clusters what part of cluster B is bipolar and then
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Speaker 1: another personality disorder called antisocial personality disorder. And with antisocial
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Speaker 1: you get failure to pay back debts to society, So
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Speaker 1: that's like not wanting to pay for her bill in
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Speaker 1: the salon. You get line conning manipulativeness, so that's walking
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Speaker 1: out of the salon saying she's going to pay the bill,
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Speaker 1: and then she's not. And then you get that same
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Speaker 1: type of impulsivity that you get with bipolar disorder, and
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Speaker 1: I imagine that's stepping on the gas, running over the manicurist.
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Speaker 1: Although there's a call aspect, there's a very impulsive aspect
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Speaker 1: to this too. I mean, I'm sure that this perpetrator
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Speaker 1: doesn't really think much about anything she's doing. She's just
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Speaker 1: one big kid, you know. She's just running all over
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Speaker 1: the place, you know, taking cards, taking cars. This girl
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Speaker 1: is just running on the pleasure principle. She's doing whatever
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Speaker 1: she wants without thinking about anyone around her. Good morning. Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get your full name and data birth for
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Speaker 1: the record, please, Christopher Built in eighteen ninety seven, thinking, man,
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Speaker 1: you are here on a Warren out of stayed in
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Speaker 1: Nevada that was issued on January fourth of twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: or a homicide? Did you read this information? Yes? Do
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Speaker 1: you understand that kies? Do you have any questions? So?
29:35
Speaker 1: Have you made a decision whether you want to wave
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Speaker 1: extradition or fight extradition? The headline is the woman who
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Speaker 1: refused to pay thirty five bucks for a manicure has
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Speaker 1: been arrested for allegedly running down and killing nail salon
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Speaker 1: worker Annie when leaving behind her three daughters. To top
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Speaker 1: it off, Dave Max, indicated talk show host. She goes
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Speaker 1: on the run. She doesn't even stop when she runs
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Speaker 1: Annie down. She goes on the run for weeks, dyes
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Speaker 1: her hair, tries to elude police. You know, she took off,
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Speaker 1: she ditched the rental car and then headed off. As
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, she dyed her hair, changed her appearance,
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Speaker 1: and was caught in Maricopa County, Arizona. No telling where
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Speaker 1: she was actually headed. But even when she was caught,
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Speaker 1: she still had stolen credit cards and other identification on her.
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Speaker 1: You know, Karen Smith joining me, renowned for insuccess part
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Speaker 1: out of the floor to jurisdiction. You know, we can
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Speaker 1: say things to juries, we can report things on air,
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Speaker 1: but this video I can hardly even stand to look
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Speaker 1: at it, and I'm sure a jury is going to
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Speaker 1: have the same reaction. You see, Annie went running out
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Speaker 1: and waving hey, wait, wait, wait wait, you gotta pay,
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Speaker 1: you gotta pay, and she gets it. She's walking in
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Speaker 1: front of this stolen car. It's rental as she got
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Speaker 1: under a fake ID, stolen and the woman runs her
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Speaker 1: down and in that moment there goes her life and
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Speaker 1: really the lives of her three daughters explode. How valuable
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Speaker 1: is that video evidence, Karen Smith? It is invaluable, and
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Speaker 1: it is going to be difficult for the jury to watch.
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Speaker 1: And they're going to have to watch it not only
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom, but they're probably going to watch it
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Speaker 1: again in deliberations, and it's painful. I've had videos that
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Speaker 1: jurors have had to watch. I've had jurors vomit in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom watching video of a man gets stabbed. It
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Speaker 1: is not easy, and I don't envy them at all,
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Speaker 1: you know, Karen Smith, forensics expert. For a person to
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Speaker 1: be dragged to their death, that is a horrible, horrible death.
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Speaker 1: Her clothes or something must have been caught up in
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Speaker 1: the tire. I don't know what, because certainly she would
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Speaker 1: have let go. She was dragged across that asphalt parking
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Speaker 1: lot to her death. And I've looked at the video, Karen,
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Speaker 1: and I every time I stop, I have to stop
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Speaker 1: the video because I know that lady knock Annie, Aunt
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Speaker 1: Annie is suffering excruciating pain, excruciating pain to be dragged
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Speaker 1: to her death, and all over a thirty five dollar manicure.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Karen, what does a person live through to
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Speaker 1: be dragged to their death. Well, you know, it's it's
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Speaker 1: it's difficult to talk about. You know. The official cause
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Speaker 1: of death was multiple blunt force injuries and that's not
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Speaker 1: surprising considering what happened. I watched the video as well.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, Nancy, when you have these cases,
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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you fall into a routine, but when
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Speaker 1: you get a case like this, it hits you really hard.
32:49
Speaker 1: When you're an investigator. And I'll tell you what, when
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Speaker 1: you have something like this and you see it at
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Speaker 1: the scene, you have to distance yourself at the time.
32:58
Speaker 1: But I can guarantee you that every single investigator that
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Speaker 1: worked that crime took it home with them that night
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Speaker 1: and it's going to stick with them for a long
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Speaker 1: long time. To Kenya Johnson, Atlanta prosecutor joining us along
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Speaker 1: with Karen Smith, forensics expert doctor Bethany Marshall, Kenya Johnson,
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Speaker 1: it is a hit and run. We don't have to
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Speaker 1: do a backband in order to come up with a felony.
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Speaker 1: That is a felony. But this woman has a history.
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Speaker 1: In fact, she was in a stolen rental car at
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Speaker 1: the time she did this. Absolutely, and all of that
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Speaker 1: information will come out in her subsequent prosecution. That video
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Speaker 1: is going to be a very telling and very hard
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Speaker 1: for the jury to watch, but they will see with
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Speaker 1: their own eyes that her co workers and family ran out.
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Speaker 1: Everyone was screaming, there was a big commotion, and Whipple
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Speaker 1: kept driving. She didn't stop, then she abandoned the vehicle. Afterwards,
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Speaker 1: to her actions before using the fake card or the
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Speaker 1: car that wouldn't pay, and then saying she's going after
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Speaker 1: her car, the fact that she ran over this victim
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Speaker 1: and the fact that she fled afterward will all come
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Speaker 1: out to show a continuing crime free and goes toward
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Speaker 1: her either premeditation or hurt intent to hurt someone in
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Speaker 1: committ a clan that day, I want you to take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friend, Hey, Katie Envy my society
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Speaker 1: speaking to Annie's daughters. It's probably gonna affect us every
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Speaker 1: day for most of our lives. And Trent is the
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Speaker 1: oldest sibling. The three sisters are leaning on each other
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Speaker 1: like never before. When you look closely at each of
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Speaker 1: their faces and Anna and Christie, you can see the
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Speaker 1: resemblance to their mom. Knock you, NuGen. If God felt
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Speaker 1: that is time for my mom to go. Then it's
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Speaker 1: time for her to go. You know, it's all in
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Speaker 1: God's hand and on God's will and is nothing we
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Speaker 1: can do or say to change that. Does the girls
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Speaker 1: wait for justice. They're choosing to accept what's happened and
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Speaker 1: look for the good. And so they want to say
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Speaker 1: thank you every words, hugs, gifts. It matter to us
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Speaker 1: and we can't express how we feel through words, and
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Speaker 1: we just want to say thank you everyone for the support.
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Speaker 1: To my longtime friend and colleague, doctor Bethany Marshall joining
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Speaker 1: me out of LA renowned LA psychoanalyst, Doctor Bethany, We've
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Speaker 1: been through a lot together and you know what I
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Speaker 1: went through to have the twins and raise them right,
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Speaker 1: I'm still trying every single day to do the right
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Speaker 1: thing all day, every day, doctor Bethany. I cannot. I
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Speaker 1: think I might just break down in tears right now.
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Speaker 1: A single mom raising three teen girls. How hard is that? Teens?
35:42
Speaker 1: Especially Nancy. I actually had a memory about you the
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Speaker 1: other day, which is about a week ago. I was
35:48
Speaker 1: thinking about when I went to New York City and
35:51
Speaker 1: I was on the set of I Think it was
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Speaker 1: True TV and you wrote something on a piece of
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Speaker 1: paper and you scribbled it down, and you shoved it
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Speaker 1: across the the anchor desk at me, and it said,
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Speaker 1: I'm pregnant with twins exclamation mark. And you wanted me
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Speaker 1: to know, and nobody else knew, and you couldn't say
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Speaker 1: it because you were miked up and nobody knew. And
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Speaker 1: I was so blown away and honored that you let
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Speaker 1: me know and the look of excitement on your face.
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about that a week ago, and
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Speaker 1: then when I was reading about this manicurist, one of
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Speaker 1: the things that her family and friends said is that
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Speaker 1: she never kept a gift for herself. She always passed
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Speaker 1: gifts along to her daughters because everything she did was
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Speaker 1: for them. She wanted to send them to school, she
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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that they got their college educations.
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Speaker 1: And she was a manicurist. So that thirty five dollars
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Speaker 1: fee that this perpetrator ran out the door and didn't pay.
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Speaker 1: You know, some of us might think, well, why you
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Speaker 1: lose your life over thirty five dollars, Well, thirty five
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Speaker 1: dollars meant a lot to this person because she was
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Speaker 1: single and raising three girls. And it's so tragic that
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Speaker 1: this perpetrator came in and exploited the life and heart
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Speaker 1: of a mom. I mean, that is just so tragic,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's what you were asking about and
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Speaker 1: trying to point to. It's just it's a bedrock of
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Speaker 1: his story and it's so sad. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend, Hey, Katie V. Law Society. After thirteen days
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Speaker 1: on the run, police finally taking her head. The manhunt
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Speaker 1: for the twenty one year old woman accused of killing
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Speaker 1: a Las Vegas mother of three is finally over. Whipple's
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Speaker 1: family says a citizen spotted and recognized her nearly three
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Speaker 1: hundred miles away. People in the city of Glendale, Arizona.
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Speaker 1: Stunt that someone was so observant, especially since Whipple looks
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Speaker 1: so different now compared to that old muck shot released
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Speaker 1: by police to news outlets across the country. Whoever found it,
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Speaker 1: I mean, good for them that they picked it up,
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Speaker 1: picked up on the last to past news reports and
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Speaker 1: all that. That's pretty cool. The FBI's Violent Crime task
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Speaker 1: for immediately moving in arresting her without incident. As Whipple
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Speaker 1: sits locked up in the Maricopa County jail awaiting extradition,
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Speaker 1: so many questions remain. What allegedly made a twenty one
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Speaker 1: year old kill to avoid paying for such a small bill.
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Speaker 1: That's right. You can run, but you can't hide. Whipple
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Speaker 1: now in custody. If you have information that could aid
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Speaker 1: the state in this prosecution, please dial seven zero two
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Speaker 1: eight two eight three five two one Nancy Grace Crime Story.
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Speaker 1: Signing off, Goodbye, Fred