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Speaker 1: your exploration. Hello, and good morning, Happy Friday everybody.
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Speaker 2: Mister Collins, you have one of the most energetic, forceful,
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Speaker 2: happy voices I've heard in a long time.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, thank you so much. It's because I'm passion
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Speaker 1: for this opportunity to share conversations.
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Speaker 2: I hear that in your voice. It's unusual and uplifting
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Speaker 2: and frankly hopeful.
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Speaker 1: Well, the thing is is that you're holding on to something.
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Speaker 1: There are many times, Lorie that I really do feel
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Speaker 1: like that you have the needle in the haystack, and
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Speaker 1: you're saying this isn't just for me, I want to
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Speaker 1: share this with people, and so now we've got to
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Speaker 1: find those people. So all of a sudden, you know,
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Speaker 1: the universe puts us together because the universe was having
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Speaker 1: tea when they day, and they said, we got to
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Speaker 1: get Lori and Arrow together so we can get a
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Speaker 1: conversation started. And then it's gonna become a tea party
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Speaker 1: and we're all gonna sit around talking about writing a marriage.
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Speaker 1: And I mean, you see how it works.
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Speaker 2: Well you are infectious, for sure, in the most wonderful way.
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Speaker 2: Well you really are. You quite something.
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Speaker 1: Do you see yourself as being an explorer when it
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Speaker 1: comes to words, because it seems like the word exploration
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Speaker 1: is taken on a brand new image.
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Speaker 2: Hmm. Could be. I'm actually for this book, I was
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Speaker 2: more of an archaeologist than an explorer, but I suppose
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Speaker 2: I was both. I don't think I thought of that
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Speaker 2: concept when I was writing, though.
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Speaker 1: But you're giving us an opportunity to have a better
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Speaker 1: under standing, and that, to me, that's a chance. That's courage,
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Speaker 1: that's confidence. That means that you turned around and faced
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Speaker 1: the fire and said I'm going in I'll let you
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Speaker 1: know what I see when I get in there.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've always done that. You see, I've had a
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Speaker 2: rather challenging career. Even though it's been very successful, it's
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Speaker 2: been very tough because most of my books are unique.
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Speaker 2: There are unusual books, and when my agent would approach
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Speaker 2: an editor and the editor would ask what is it
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Speaker 2: comparable to, she couldn't give an example because my work
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Speaker 2: has been so different. And I suppose I believe in
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Speaker 2: my mission. I think that's what it is. I never
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Speaker 2: have given up. I never thought of it as courage.
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Speaker 2: I just believe in being steadfast. I'm basically a communicator.
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Speaker 1: Yes, oh, now you're speaking my language, Lorii. Oh my god. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And you can't turn it off, can you. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I gotta I'll be right back. I
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Speaker 1: gotta go do something.
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Speaker 2: You are funny, You have so much energy. You're making
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Speaker 2: me feel a little better. I've been having a hard
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Speaker 2: time getting myself off the ground this morning, but you're
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Speaker 2: doing a very good job of it. Now.
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Speaker 1: Now, who is your mentor teacher in the way that
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Speaker 1: you know? Because I I Since nineteen ninety four July
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Speaker 1: I was in Carmel, California, and that's how I hooked
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Speaker 1: up with Julia Cameron with the artist way, and it's
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Speaker 1: just one of those things where it's like when you
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Speaker 1: get up, you do your daily writing, then you go
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Speaker 1: talk with people who understand what daily writing is, and
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Speaker 1: then you make your way to trying to find who's
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Speaker 1: going to read the daily writing. And how can you
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Speaker 1: not be inspired by a journey like that.
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Speaker 2: Well, for the last few years, I've been living in
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Speaker 2: a small town where there is a very very tiny
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Speaker 2: group of people who are interested in reading. So's I
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Speaker 2: haven't found this community of individuals who think like me there,
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Speaker 2: But of course here you're surrounded by writers and people
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Speaker 2: who love to read. New York City is such a
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Speaker 2: wonderful place.
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Speaker 1: I love just walking in New York City. People always
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Speaker 1: ask me, you're gonna take an uber, You're gonna take
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Speaker 1: a cab, I'm gonna I'm gonna walk. I just want to.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think the finest walking city other than Rome.
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Speaker 2: I love to walk in Rome too.
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Speaker 1: So when you're walking around New York City, I mean,
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Speaker 1: my last book was really based on I walked into
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Speaker 1: a comic store, which I didn't know was on this road,
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Speaker 1: and I saw a girl in there with orange hair
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Speaker 1: that became the subject of my next book. I knew
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Speaker 1: right then on the spot I was going to write
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Speaker 1: a book. I didn't know what it was going to
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Speaker 1: be about, but it had to include the girl with
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Speaker 1: orange hair. You have to be the same way. I mean,
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Speaker 1: your eyes do the speaking. The rest of you just
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Speaker 1: tries to catch up.
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Speaker 2: Uh. Something similar happened to me with my last novel.
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Speaker 2: I was in Brussels, Belgium, in a lace museum and
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Speaker 2: I love lace, ancient lace, and I saw this piece
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Speaker 2: and it was identified as a circumcision cloth from the
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Speaker 2: sixteenth century. Yeah, I didn't know that there was such
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Speaker 2: a thing, and it was this intricate, magnificent piece of workmanship.
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Speaker 2: And in that very moment, I knew I was going
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Speaker 2: to write a novel about a group of Spanish nuns
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Speaker 2: who were lace makers. So, yes, it's happened to me. See,
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Speaker 2: but you just described.
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Speaker 1: That's the connection I'm talking about that you unveil, You
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Speaker 1: speak of things that we see on a daily basis,
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, we're walking through a Barnes
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Speaker 1: and Noble, we're on Amazon, we see a book like this.
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Speaker 1: We're going, oh my god. I was just thinking about this.
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Speaker 2: How often do you come to New York City.
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Speaker 1: I wish it was more times. I mean, it's one
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Speaker 1: of those things where they try to keep coaxing me
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Speaker 1: up there. But I have this beautiful forest in Carolina,
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Speaker 1: and this thing has me by the neck. It says,
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Speaker 1: you ain't going anywhere, buddy, You're gonna sit here and
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Speaker 1: you're gonna write all day. See, my writing doesn't come
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Speaker 1: from me. It comes from the soil of this of
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Speaker 1: this forest, and that I owe everything to these trees
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Speaker 1: and rocks.
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Speaker 2: WHOA what a beautiful thought. I love that.
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Speaker 1: Where do you get yours? Who is your muse? What
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Speaker 1: is your muse? Where is your inspiration hailing from?
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Speaker 2: I would say the Holy Spirit?
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Speaker 1: Oh love you, love you, love you, love you. Amen. Yeah, yep,
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Speaker 1: I get it.
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Speaker 2: That's that's how it works for me.
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Speaker 1: Yep, I get it. I get it.
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Speaker 2: I think, I think. I think it's the intention to
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Speaker 2: be a steward. When I was growing up, that was
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Speaker 2: a message that I heard on a weekly basis, to
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Speaker 2: be a steward, and I I knew from a very
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Speaker 2: young age that I was meant to be a writer,
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Speaker 2: to be working with people globally, that I was going
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Speaker 2: to have a very unique life. I knew this, and
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Speaker 2: I knew that Spanish was going to be a part
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Speaker 2: of my life and that I was going to be
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Speaker 2: in unusual circles and being in a small town and
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Speaker 2: having my friends listen to me say these things. They
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Speaker 2: were amused, they would laugh, but I knew it. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I've never been to Charlotte, but you know I taught
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Speaker 2: at Duke even years.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I were that close.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful state.
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Speaker 1: It has. And I've always said there's either something in
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Speaker 1: the soil or it's the curve of those back road highways,
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Speaker 1: because I mean, you get on those back roads and
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Speaker 1: it's like you you are flowing with jazz and it's
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Speaker 1: just there's it's just something about and you can't help
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Speaker 1: but want to be creative.
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean it's a magnificent lend.
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Speaker 1: So now when you have a book that's called a
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Speaker 1: writing marriage, there's gonna be people that are going to
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Speaker 1: walk into a bookstore. And the only reason I'm bringing
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Speaker 1: this up like this is because there's a movie out
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Speaker 1: right now called Is God Is And they all think
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Speaker 1: it's a religious movie. No, it's the furthest thing from that.
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Speaker 1: But yet they're judging it because of that word God
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Speaker 1: in the middle of it. When you're looking at a
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Speaker 1: book called a Writing Marriage, you know people are gonna
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Speaker 1: come out and going, oh, really, what is LORII up
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Speaker 1: to this time? And so so, how can we get
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Speaker 1: listeners to understand you are reaching further, I swear to God,
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Speaker 1: further than what you ever have.
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Speaker 2: How do you know that? And what makes you think that?
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Speaker 1: Because I feel it and because man, when I do
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Speaker 1: some research, I go digging, and because it's not that
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for dirt, I'm looking because I know and
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Speaker 1: you know there is somebody sitting in a bedroom right
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Speaker 1: now with about six tablets undern they're better in the attic,
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Speaker 1: and they're not going to release it. Why because they're afraid.
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Speaker 1: And it's going to take someone like you, Laurie, to say,
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Speaker 1: don't be afraid, let it go. It doesn't belong to you.
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Speaker 2: M that's for sure. That's right. What the message that
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Speaker 2: I conveyed really did not belong to me. It came
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Speaker 2: from me for others. That was precisely what I was
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Speaker 2: thinking when I was writing. And I wrote A Writing
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Speaker 2: Marriage in a church, so I was thinking about the
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Speaker 2: spiritual side of marriage as well as the regular parts
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Speaker 2: of marriage, the sort of business side of marriage, the
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Speaker 2: daily part of marriage. I think for me, the overriding
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Speaker 2: need was to make certain that Oscar Ibuelos, my extraordinary,
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Speaker 2: brilliant novelist husband, would be understood for future generations as
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Speaker 2: well as his readership. Now people would understand what his
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Speaker 2: soul was, who he was as a human being. Because
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Speaker 2: novels can give you the wrong impression of a person,
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Speaker 2: and much of the same way that an actor can
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Speaker 2: give you the wrong impression of himself or herself. Writers
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Speaker 2: and artists are expressing all sorts of emotions and thinking,
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Speaker 2: but the real person is usually not understood or or
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Speaker 2: ever never known. Very few people get a chance to
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Speaker 2: meet the author's work through the author, and I wanted
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Speaker 2: people to see that he was such a sweet, beautiful,
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Speaker 2: generous kind soul. Yeah, and that marriage, our marriage was
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Speaker 2: so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Lori Carlson Juelos
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Speaker 1: coming up next. You're gonna love this book. A Right
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Speaker 1: Marriage from Lori Carlson Juelos. Is my interpretation of Oscar wrong,
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Speaker 1: and please correct me instantly. I felt that he knew
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Speaker 1: and understood his readers and followers but when it came
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Speaker 1: to real life, his heart was still back in the writing.
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Speaker 1: And because you know how we are as authors, do
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Speaker 1: we ever really leave the story? Because I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: it's almost like when when we put the book down
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Speaker 1: for the day, the writing discipline is over and we
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Speaker 1: go about the world we're studying, we're looking for things
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Speaker 1: that we can add to a paragraph. And am I
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Speaker 1: wrong about Oscar? Because I really feel like in reading
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Speaker 1: it that he understood who he was reaching. But in
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Speaker 1: that moment where he wasn't writing, he sought the people
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Speaker 1: that he knew were reading. If you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: I mean because I mean I'm talking like a writer
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Speaker 1: now because people go, why do you do what you do?
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Speaker 1: Because there's somebody out there that I know needs this.
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Speaker 2: Hmm, well, let me think about this. Os was highly intellectual,
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Speaker 2: and that he was a person who read voraciously on
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Speaker 2: all sorts of topics. He loved ancient history, and he
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Speaker 2: loved science, he loved math, He loved poetry and art
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Speaker 2: and comic books was one of his passions. He was
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Speaker 2: interested in so many subjects, so he was truly an
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Speaker 2: intellectual and talking to him was a thrilling experience. But
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Speaker 2: He didn't intellectualize the process of writing. Oscar was very much,
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Speaker 2: if I may say so, a laborer. He was a
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Speaker 2: a work a worker. He just got down to business.
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Speaker 2: And I don't really think that he thought about who
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Speaker 2: he wanted to reach Errow. I think what he was
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Speaker 2: thinking about is how he could make people think better,
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Speaker 2: act better in the world, be better, strive for higher ideals.
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Speaker 2: These were the things that were on his mind. The
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Speaker 2: big issues love, faith, eternity, what this means to be
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Speaker 2: on this earth and for Oscar, and people really didn't
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Speaker 2: know this side of him. He was very much a
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Speaker 2: person who believed in God's goodness and strove. I think
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Speaker 2: really to convey that in his writing. He was a
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Speaker 2: compassionate writer, his care If you read all of his works,
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Speaker 2: you'll know that even though his characters had major flaws,
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Speaker 2: Oscar felt kindly toward them. He had mercy for his characters.
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Speaker 2: He was a very loving creator.
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Speaker 1: And you got to spend time with his unpublished work.
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Speaker 1: That would be like my wife coming inside this studio.
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Speaker 1: I've got thirty two years of daily writing. I always
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Speaker 1: tell her, just go through the book. What was I thinking?
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Speaker 1: Go to the books. It's all written in the books
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Speaker 1: go to the raw writing. What did you feel when
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Speaker 1: you went to the unpublished works. I mean we're talking
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Speaker 1: about this stuff where the perfectionists had to wait on
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Speaker 1: the sidelines.
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Speaker 2: Well, it was it was heavy, yeah, and it was emotional,
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Speaker 2: very emotional. Going through his his archival matter, there were
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Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of boxes. To answer this
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Speaker 2: more specifically, regarding Blue Antiquity, I was stunned by the
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Speaker 2: similarity between his major character's protagonists, Victor Metcalo and himself,
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Speaker 2: because Victor was Oscar in a different profession, in a
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Speaker 2: different guise. But Victor's thinking was very much Oscar's thinking.
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Speaker 2: And this individual is a scholar whose passion is archaeology.
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Speaker 2: Oscar was not a scholar, although in the formal sense
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Speaker 2: of the word, I would say he was first and
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Speaker 2: foremost an artist who had scholarly leanings. But Victor is
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Speaker 2: this son of Cuban immigrants, and he makes it in
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Speaker 2: a certain way. He becomes well known in his field
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Speaker 2: and in his area of interest is the life of Christ.
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Speaker 2: Now that was kind of a surprise to me, because
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Speaker 2: even though Oscar was Catholic and believed in the Trinity
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Speaker 2: and was very much interested in the saints and the
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Speaker 2: life of Christ. I had no idea that the center
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Speaker 2: of this master work was truly about that and faith.
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Speaker 2: And then coming upon all of the ancillary materials that
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Speaker 2: he was reading and researching for this novel, that also
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Speaker 2: surprised me. Because Oscar was collecting pictures of saints and
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Speaker 2: many books about Jesus. I wondered, was Oscar thinking about mortality?
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Speaker 2: Because Victor knows that he's going to die and keeps
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Speaker 2: this knowledge to himself, and Oscar, from the time he
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Speaker 2: was young, had been told by physicians that he would
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Speaker 2: not have a normal life expectancy because he had diphrightis
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Speaker 2: as a child and his system had been compromised. Oscar
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Speaker 2: ended up dying not of any kidney issue or renal issue,
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Speaker 2: was a mess of heart attack.
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Speaker 1: Oh boy.
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Speaker 2: But I wondered if Oscar might have been in the know,
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Speaker 2: so to speak, if he had an understanding of when
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Speaker 2: he was going to die, because it was so prescient
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Speaker 2: and so eerie as I was reading about this character.
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Speaker 2: Does that answer your question?
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Speaker 1: It does, and it takes me so deep into so
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Speaker 1: many questions, and probably the biggest one that is just
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Speaker 1: screaming to be asked, is that as that author Oscar
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Speaker 1: as well as yourself, because everything that I do is
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Speaker 1: in the name of Christ, everything that I do, and
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Speaker 1: I felt like that that I was structured in the way. Okay, dude,
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Speaker 1: you can write about me all you want. You can
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Speaker 1: talk about how your love for me is the greatest
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Speaker 1: thing you can save people's lives, but you and I
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Speaker 1: have to put it in the language of somebody who
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Speaker 1: was walking the street that is a non believer. And
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Speaker 1: did you guys do that with your writing as well?
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Speaker 1: Where it's like you you got the original idea, you
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Speaker 1: got that message, but then you had to do what
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Speaker 1: I call hidden speak, and you twist it a little
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Speaker 1: bit and all of a sudden it becomes a novel.
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Speaker 1: And it's not so you know, glory based or anything
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Speaker 1: like that, but you still kind of push it forward
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Speaker 1: in a way of saying I did my job. Lord,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for showing up for the other
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Speaker 1: creative side of it.
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Speaker 2: M Well, what the writing or the art that comes
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Speaker 2: from one, whether it's music or painting or writing, has
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Speaker 2: to come from a healthy soul. So rather than think
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Speaker 2: about how to, let's say, compose or manipulate raw material
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Speaker 2: into saying what you are. I think you have to
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Speaker 2: act out your faith. You have to be that example.
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Speaker 2: And I came upon this book published in nineteen five
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Speaker 2: fifty seven by chance in my mother's church in Jamestown,
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Speaker 2: New York, where I wrote the bookcas. I wrote the
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Speaker 2: book in a church library. It's actually a cathedral, and
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Speaker 2: it's the title is The Radiant Life. And I devoured
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Speaker 2: that book in one sitting. It was written by a
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Speaker 2: British minister, a Methodist, who said, why is it that
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Speaker 2: people of faith go around moping and look so miserable?
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Speaker 2: Right that anybody who meets you should see radiance in
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Speaker 2: your being. That is the message that you are walking
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Speaker 2: around showing others that God is love and light. And
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Speaker 2: if it's not being shown on your face and in
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Speaker 2: your actions, something is truly wrong with your alignment. Yes,
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Speaker 2: so that's how I would respond to that. I don't
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Speaker 2: think it was, let's say, a conscientious decision to show
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Speaker 2: faith in the writing, but to be the person you
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Speaker 2: could be essentially proud of, and hopefully that person is
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Speaker 2: creating something reflecting the light.
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Speaker 1: That reminds me of Stephen Ferdick, who is my pastor
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Speaker 1: at Elevation Church here in Charlotte, and he always gets
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Speaker 1: up there and he says, you know how you elevators are.
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Speaker 1: It's the energy that you bring into it. You gotta bring.
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Speaker 1: They know that you're from elevation because they see it.
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Speaker 1: And it's just it's because they can they can see it,
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Speaker 1: but they don't know how to identify it. But man,
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Speaker 1: they can tap into it.
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Speaker 2: You're you're a preacher yourself, my goodness, and you have
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Speaker 2: such a talent for speaking.
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Speaker 1: That it's forty six years of radio. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's because I'm so so much in love with authors
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Speaker 1: and with writing and the ability to write. And I
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Speaker 1: can't figure out why people say I can't write, I've
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Speaker 1: got block, I've got this, and I go that, why
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Speaker 1: are you using these excuses. If that's your excuse, put
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Speaker 1: it in a book, do something. Put it in a
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Speaker 1: paragraph and just see what it looks like and smell it.
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Speaker 2: My question for you is how do you reach people
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Speaker 2: where they are to make them curious enough about reading again,
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Speaker 2: Because my experience, and let's say Jamestown, New York, where
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Speaker 2: I was born, is that people don't read right.
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Speaker 1: Oh, they read headlines, they read the first paragraph of
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Speaker 1: the headlines and make up a decision. That's their reading nowadays.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not reading literature at all. Right, How
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Speaker 2: does one encourage the average American to find time to
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Speaker 2: be quiet, to sit down and edify his brain and
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Speaker 2: elevate his soul. How do you do that?
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Speaker 1: I think one of the steps that I was guided toward.
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Speaker 1: And I really did feel this because because I've been
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Speaker 1: in radio for forty six years, I didn't know what
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Speaker 1: it was like to be with people, because in radio
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Speaker 1: you envision people. And so therefore I took a job
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Speaker 1: at a grocery store because I just wanted to be
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Speaker 1: with real people. And the one thing that I learned,
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Speaker 1: they were never happy to see me, but by God,
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Speaker 1: they loved it when I saw them. You know what
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Speaker 1: I mean by that? And I swear to God that's
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Speaker 1: how you get to people. And when you've got them,
22:29
Speaker 1: you say. By the way, there's a new book out
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Speaker 1: called The Writing Marriage. I'm thinking you need to pick
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Speaker 1: it up.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you are one of a kind, my friend. Okay,
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Speaker 2: but you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: No, it starts in the conversation, and so we've got
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Speaker 1: to get the conversation started. Prime it up, get that
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Speaker 1: motor running, and get that monkey on that track.
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Speaker 2: All right, So you're saying to be very proactive. Yep, uh,
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Speaker 2: all right, I've got.
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Speaker 1: People want to be led. You know that people want
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Speaker 1: to be led. I mean, that's like when Jesus sat
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Speaker 1: down at the well with the woman. That woman wanted
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Speaker 1: to be led. She wanted to be shown a different way.
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Speaker 1: She wanted to go back to the people so that
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Speaker 1: she could have a message for the people. And she
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Speaker 1: did and it changed everybody. And it was all because
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Speaker 1: of a conversation at the well that everybody else would
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Speaker 1: have just shunned away from.
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Speaker 2: Well. Now, see, that's an interesting way of thinking about
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Speaker 2: that encounter because I would have thought that she wanted
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Speaker 2: to be seen.
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Speaker 1: I'll give you that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's Christ was able to see who
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Speaker 2: she was and she was shocked, right yeah, and then
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Speaker 2: go and then go beyond what he saw to tell
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Speaker 2: her what she could be.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: But that, of course, then of course did take her places.
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Speaker 2: That's why she went back and told everyone. So you're right,
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Speaker 2: she was also being led.
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Speaker 1: See, And that's just like when Jesus sat down on
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Speaker 1: his knees and he wrote in the sand in my
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Speaker 1: heart as an author. I said that was the very
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Speaker 1: first writing instrument he wrote in the sand. Why aren't
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Speaker 1: we all writing? Because he did it in the sand
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Speaker 1: and everybody read it.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: You see how weird we are. We are weird being
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Speaker 1: writers because we understand the calling and we acted upon it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the writing life is not so simple as
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Speaker 2: it's complicated. It's complicated. You spend so much time alone
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Speaker 2: with your thinking.
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Speaker 1: That can be good, that can be bad. How did
24:43
Speaker 1: Oscar handle a situation like that when it came time
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Speaker 1: for I don't want to say alone time, because when
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Speaker 1: you're going in there with those characters, those characters are
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Speaker 1: very much in your ears.
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Speaker 2: Well, Oscar had two sides to him. He was perfectly
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Speaker 2: comfortable and happy being in his office writing eight hours
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Speaker 2: a day, if not ten, and being in another world
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Speaker 2: with his characters. And he had also a very social
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Speaker 2: side to him. It was on stage he was very
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Speaker 2: much the showman. And I think if you saw him,
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Speaker 2: let's say, reading at the ninety second Street Why or
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Speaker 2: any venue around the country, you would probably have the
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Speaker 2: impression that he was comfortable communicating, being affable, upbeat, and
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Speaker 2: sharing with his readers. But I would say more than that.
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Speaker 2: He was a solitary sort. He very much lived in
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Speaker 2: his head and loved being in his head, thinking about
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Speaker 2: his collections, history, memories, what life could have been like
25:52
Speaker 2: if he had been born in Cuba. He often talked
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Speaker 2: about that. But yeah, I mean he was he both
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Speaker 2: sides to him.
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Speaker 1: And the fact that you understood that, because I often wonder.
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Speaker 1: People always go, man, you're lucky to have my wife
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Speaker 1: Lee in your life, and I'm going, you have no
26:10
Speaker 1: idea how lucky I am, because I don't know how
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Speaker 1: she puts up with me as a writer. I do not, because,
26:15
Speaker 1: because you're right, we live in so many different worlds
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Speaker 1: mentally and physically that when we come popping out, it's like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, you're still here. How about that? I
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Speaker 1: love you, thank you for being here all these years.
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Speaker 2: Well, I being a writer myself, I understood the pressures
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Speaker 2: that he was facing only ten times more than me,
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Speaker 2: and I accommodated his needs because I understood them. And
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Speaker 2: of course I was so in love with Oscar. He
26:45
Speaker 2: was my soulmate. I explained that in the memoir that
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Speaker 2: it was just in my mind a privilege to be
26:53
Speaker 2: his wife. I loved every day we had together. Yeah,
26:59
Speaker 2: every day was a gift to be with my husband.
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Speaker 2: He was just a very very special, unique individual with
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Speaker 2: multi talents, who had a grasp of reality that most
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Speaker 2: people don't and then a language to convey that, which
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Speaker 2: was thrilling to be able to communicate on such a
27:23
Speaker 2: beautiful level, on such a creative level, yep. And I
27:28
Speaker 2: was the recipient of that. So I never thought of
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Speaker 2: it as being a burden to be married to my
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Speaker 2: brilliant husband. I really thought I was one of the
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Speaker 2: blessed ones.
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Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about you?
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Speaker 1: Because twenty five minutes with you is never going to
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Speaker 1: be enough. And I'm going to ask you that we
27:50
Speaker 1: get back together again very soon because I love where
27:53
Speaker 1: you are. I love that you're open to talk about
27:55
Speaker 1: it because so many people go, oh, yeah, i'm a writer,
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Speaker 1: Well talk about it. No, no, no. I love about you,
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Speaker 1: Laurie is that you're willing to share the experience.
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Speaker 2: That's why we're on this earth to share.
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Speaker 1: Oh God, I love your heart. Oh my God, just
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Speaker 1: say the right things.
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Speaker 2: Holy God, Thanks Aero. I'm really enjoying talking to you.
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Speaker 2: I have a new friend now. Wow, Wow, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today? Okay? And thank you for
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Speaker 1: blessing my life today. And I know that it's going
28:27
Speaker 1: to reach out there. This is outreach in full forward motion.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Aero. I just appreciate you and your
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Speaker 2: message and what you've done for my book and for
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Speaker 2: me today. And I would love to come back to
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Speaker 2: talk to you.
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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today? Okay?
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Speaker 2: Thank you you too. Arrow