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Patriots Unfiltered 4/8: Offseason Workouts, Draft Talk, Trade Down Scenarios · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The World's a Pigeon podcast. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It
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  Speaker 2: is one hundred percent up to the vands on who
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  Speaker 2: gets in.
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  Speaker 3: I blame the committee just as much as the fans.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonny for opportunity ripper. Yeah, I rip everybody.
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  Speaker 4: But is it like a referendum on everything they're doing?
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  Speaker 4: Is that overshadows signing Steffan things last week? Now you're
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  Speaker 4: all worked up about losing Joe.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if the person is being sarcastic, But no,
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  Speaker 2: another one.
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  Speaker 5: Four after Jaws. I mean, it's way better than Jaws said.
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  Speaker 2: I missed.
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  Speaker 3: I missed that one.
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  Speaker 2: Man sold Fashioned.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly good.
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  Speaker 2: Gives me the vapors.
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  Speaker 7: Flickers yet on Kickers, Yeah, I know you love the
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  Speaker 7: better call Saulves.
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  Speaker 5: That's my take on the Kickers.
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  Speaker 2: All right, thanks, So the answer is, yes, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to see him go up against you know whoever? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know Harvey Lang or whoever it is Harvey Lang.
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  Speaker 2: Who's the guy that they've gotten free agency?
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  Speaker 3: Harold Landry?
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  Speaker 2: Harold Landry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I speak Fred, but sometimes you make it tough.
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  Speaker 2: Harold Landry.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. The guys are back in town. Yesterday
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  Speaker 2: was the official kickoff of voluntary workouts otherwise known as OTAs.
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  Speaker 3: No not yet, really not really, he's not organized, correct, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: not really, so it's just.
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  Speaker 2: The off season program. Yeah, so a lot of guys here.
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  Speaker 2: We don't take attendance for these, it's voluntary. So but
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  Speaker 2: we did hear that Christian barm War is in the house,
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  Speaker 2: which is good news. We don't know what he's doing
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  Speaker 2: or what his plan is that they have for him,
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  Speaker 2: but it's just good to see that he's here. Yeah. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: it was pretty cool. I think for the first time
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  Speaker 2: since I've been here, the football regime allowed us into
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  Speaker 2: the weight room during this time of year. We got
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  Speaker 2: some really cool hype video out on Patriots Social and
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  Speaker 2: Patriots dot Com with the guy's working out, So that
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  Speaker 2: was great. So we're excited to go, right.
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  Speaker 4: I just like seeing so many guys I mean Stefan
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  Speaker 4: Diggs being here. I don't know where he's at with
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  Speaker 4: rehabbing all that, but just having him in the building,
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a great sign. Saw a lot of
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  Speaker 4: the wide receivers in some of those pictures, just for
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  Speaker 4: a room that feels like it needs to get on
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  Speaker 4: track and really start to build something. I just I
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  Speaker 4: like seeing all those guys there. Stefan Diggs is there.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get it started.
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  Speaker 2: So it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce. Evan will be
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  Speaker 2: joining us. Matt's in the booth with Alex, who's helping out.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna help hopefully help Matt out from time to time.
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  Speaker 3: Matt needs some help, he needs help.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can provide a lot of ways, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different ways.
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  Speaker 3: As he nods, yeah, all right. So what we are
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  Speaker 3: we are hearing actually currently from a couple of players.
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  Speaker 3: One of them, well, one of your favorite your favorite
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  Speaker 3: free agent edition, Yeah right, Harvey Lang.
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  Speaker 2: Harvey Lang's here. Yes, Harvey Lang is otherwise known as
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  Speaker 2: Harold Landry. Correct.
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  Speaker 3: And I think Marcus Jones also speaking today. So that's
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  Speaker 3: where Evan is right now.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll get back with a full report of that.
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  Speaker 4: We also heard from all the defensive coaches except for
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  Speaker 4: defensive coordinator Tourel Williams. On Friday, Jeremy Springer took the lead.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting to finally get to meet a whole new defensive staff.
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  Speaker 4: And last year a lot of holdovers, not a lot
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  Speaker 4: of change in this year. It was completely new guys,
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  Speaker 4: completely new faces. And the word that kept springing up
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  Speaker 4: in every room I went to was violence. Like they're
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  Speaker 4: looking for sustained violence.
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  Speaker 2: I like that.
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  Speaker 4: It seems they have a real philosophy on defense they're
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  Speaker 4: building towards. So interesting. Guy's interesting new scheme. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's it seems like a whole new world on that
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  Speaker 4: side of the ball this season.
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  Speaker 2: Cool yep.
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  Speaker 4: And so you say, Jeremy Springer too, talking about finding
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  Speaker 4: the next kicker, you know, trying to get back to
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  Speaker 4: the stability that was here for so long with Adam Vinentian,
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  Speaker 4: Stephen Stephens call him Stefan Gozkowski, Stephen got I's not
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  Speaker 4: the only one, but I mean, you guys had it
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  Speaker 4: good for so long. It was just you don't really
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  Speaker 4: have to think about it, said, and forget it with
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  Speaker 4: with I thought it was interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Springer talking about you know the kickoff they've you know,
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  Speaker 3: one of the alterations to the kickoff this year is
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  Speaker 3: it's going to the thirty five on a touchback now,
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  Speaker 3: so everybody's anticipating more returns. Yeah, And I thought it
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  Speaker 3: was interesting that Springer felt like that's going to lead
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  Speaker 3: to more sort of the need for more specialization in
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  Speaker 3: the kickoff itself, which I'm not necessarily.
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  Speaker 2: Brings up a question I have. So I agree moving
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  Speaker 2: it to the thirty five will do teams the incentive
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  Speaker 2: to see if they can do better by just covering.
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  Speaker 2: But how do you think that that new alignment worked
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  Speaker 2: last year? Do you think they think that that was
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  Speaker 2: the success or are they re looking at that and
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  Speaker 2: you know, uh on the you know, the kickoff alignment.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think there were more returns for touchdowns right
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  Speaker 4: that that did that go back up?
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  Speaker 3: I think it was about this a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I heard them on the radio. I didn't look at that.
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  Speaker 3: I think they may have been physically more. I think
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  Speaker 3: there was seven kickoff returns for touchdowns, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that number might have risen, but the number of returns
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  Speaker 3: rose dramatically because of where they place the touchback, you know,
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  Speaker 3: So I think now that they're moving it out to
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  Speaker 3: the thirty five. I think people that are sort of
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  Speaker 3: looking at this are right forecasting that that will lead
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  Speaker 3: to even more returns, because thirty five is that's pretty
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  Speaker 3: good field position yea to just hand away, handover.
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  Speaker 2: So I always look at it. One hundred percent field
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  Speaker 2: is one hundred percent, so that thirty five percent of
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  Speaker 2: the work has already been done for you. That's a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an MIT professor math.
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  Speaker 4: I heard Felger Massa talking a little bit about this.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was Jim Murray had an interesting point
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  Speaker 4: of view because he still felt like the kickoff is
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  Speaker 4: still headed for death, like that, this is still going
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  Speaker 4: to be a part of the game that's eventually eliminated.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're going to have more returns this year,
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  Speaker 4: it seems like it's going to grow a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit less guys start getting hurt a lot.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say, right, that's how
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  Speaker 3: and I know that that's that drives the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's all about player safety, and you know, and that's
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  Speaker 3: the reasoning for the new alignment. I don't really like
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  Speaker 3: the new alignment, but if it's worked, and I'm not
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  Speaker 3: talking about work in terms of the returns, because I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that's why it worked. I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: alignment led to more returns. Much like this year, moving
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  Speaker 3: it out to the thirty five, there's going to be
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  Speaker 3: probably more returns than last year. It's not because of
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  Speaker 3: the alignment. But I do wonder if it is keeping
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  Speaker 3: the players safer, if there's you know, like I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this one year isn't enough data to sort of draw
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  Speaker 3: that conclusion. But I don't know how you guys felt
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  Speaker 3: about it. I didn't it right to the week eighteen.
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  Speaker 3: It kept looking odd to me watching it.
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  Speaker 2: I have to admit that when they first announced this
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  Speaker 2: new thing, I was I had it a little wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I thought that I thought that the line of scrimmage
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  Speaker 2: was actually going to be closer to where the receiver
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  Speaker 2: catches the ball. So I thought, like the like the
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  Speaker 2: two teams, you know, the receiving team and the kicking
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  Speaker 2: team were going to be closer, like at around the
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  Speaker 2: twenty and then so the kicker had to like the
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  Speaker 2: what do they call it the drop zone or something
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  Speaker 2: like that. That zone was actually smaller zone landing zone,
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  Speaker 2: that was actually a smaller bucket that the kicker had
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  Speaker 2: to kick into and so the play so that the
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  Speaker 2: receiver was closer to where the kicking team was and
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  Speaker 2: it was almost like a play from the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 2: The difference was obviously that no one can move until
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  Speaker 2: the receiver has the ball, you know, possesses the ball.
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  Speaker 2: And then I thought so blocking schemes would come more
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  Speaker 2: into play because it would look like more of a
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  Speaker 2: normal play from scrimmage. So I was off I so
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  Speaker 2: when they actually did, it's like, oh, the landing zone
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  Speaker 2: is a lot bigger than I thought it was going
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  Speaker 2: to be, and the kicking team is a lot further
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  Speaker 2: away from the receiver than I thought they were going
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 4: I felt similar Fred. I feel like I thought there
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  Speaker 4: was going to be experimentation, different things, maybe reverses. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know how crazy it was going to get. But
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  Speaker 4: I remember being in training camp when we were first
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  Speaker 4: starting to watch these things and being like, what are
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  Speaker 4: they going to do? Are team's going to spring things?
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  Speaker 4: And it never felt like anything was sprung. Everyone approached
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  Speaker 4: it straightforward, and yes it did feel better.
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  Speaker 2: Because remember it, like I'm sure it wasn't just our team,
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  Speaker 2: like we're allowed to film certain things during practice in
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  Speaker 2: the summer, but we weren't allowed to film that, and
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking, oh, every team must be like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: preparing for like you said, special.
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  Speaker 3: And seven guys going different ways a flip.
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  Speaker 2: And nothing that I didn't see anything manifest along those lines.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess you guys have you know, you
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  Speaker 3: have more more of a life than I do, because
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  Speaker 3: I had seen some of these kickoffs in those other leagues,
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  Speaker 3: whether it was the XFL or the UFL. I forget
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  Speaker 3: which one, but I had seen, you know, and not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily knowing every parameter off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 3: But it's an odd look the way they're lined up,
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  Speaker 3: and you know they're five yards apart, so that that's
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  Speaker 3: obviously eliminating the the collisions. That's what they're looking to
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  Speaker 3: get out of it. Listen, if it's if it's going
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  Speaker 3: to keep the kickoff in the game this way and
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  Speaker 3: the old way was going to eliminate it, then then
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  Speaker 3: I guess I'm for it. It just looks odd to me.
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  Speaker 9: Still.
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  Speaker 2: See what I would do, like I said, I would
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  Speaker 2: put them right at a line of scrimmage at the twenty,
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  Speaker 2: so there's no five yards of so you're still eliminating
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  Speaker 2: the collisions. They're right there at a line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 2: The receiver is within the landing zone of twenty yards,
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  Speaker 2: and he can be wherever he is within that twenty
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  Speaker 2: yards and the kicker has to drop it in insteade.
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  Speaker 3: The kicker has to drop it in there. But you're
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  Speaker 3: saying the.
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  Speaker 2: Tacklers are closer he catches it, so it's more, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just like a regular play where instead of the
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  Speaker 2: ball snap as soon as he catches the ball, boom,
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  Speaker 2: let's go.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting, and you might be able to tocrease it
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more.
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  Speaker 4: More frequently, right, a little more of a running play almost.
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  Speaker 2: It's more like a running play, right, Yeah, So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, I thought it was interesting that Springer brought up,
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  Speaker 3: you know, back to the players that is talking today,
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  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones, which something you know, you guys know how
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  Speaker 3: I feel about Marcus Jones and his returnability. I think
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  Speaker 3: he is electric in that regard, and I think that's
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  Speaker 3: an underutilized asset to not have him with the ball
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  Speaker 3: as many times as you can in those situations. Sounds
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  Speaker 3: like Springer is open to that possibility. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: you've returned any kicks last year, right, for the last
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  Speaker 3: two years. I don't know why you wouldn't want to
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  Speaker 3: try to get the ball in his hands, Like you
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  Speaker 3: could throw a screen pass to him to try to
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  Speaker 3: get the ball in his hands, but you don't want
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  Speaker 3: to kick off. So I'm hoping that that Springer is
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  Speaker 3: right about that, and we see a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: of Marcus Jones as a return man.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that would be good. He's like you said, he's electric.
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  Speaker 4: Get him involved. I mean, the more ways possible. Interesting
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  Speaker 4: to see how this you know, Josh, What does Josh
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  Speaker 4: do with Marcus Jones?
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  Speaker 10: Now?
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's got a little bit of intrigue.
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  Speaker 2: There for me. Yep, what else we got? You know,
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  Speaker 2: your show making a big deal about this Milton trade, and.
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  Speaker 3: I am a little surprised with how almost every show
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  Speaker 3: has made a big deal. I guess we're in the
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  Speaker 3: minority about that trade. A lot of people really feel
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  Speaker 3: like this was a wasted asset.
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen, if you waited longer and he lit it
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  Speaker 2: up in preseason, might you have been able to get
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  Speaker 2: more Maybe?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe what if he played like he did last preseason?
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  Speaker 9: Right? Right?
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  Speaker 2: So there's a chance that you could have. But this
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  Speaker 2: whole thing that, oh they're worried about, you know, Drake
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  Speaker 2: May is being a diva. I doubt very much that
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  Speaker 2: Drake May was. You got to get rid of him,
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  Speaker 2: what I think, and we talked about it. What I
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  Speaker 2: think more likely is what happened is Milton and or
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  Speaker 2: his agent were like forcing the issue, like we want,
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  Speaker 2: we want to guarantee that we're going to have a
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  Speaker 2: chance to compete for the starting job because we might
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  Speaker 2: think we're better than Drake May or we want to
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  Speaker 2: go to a team that's going to give us an opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what's happened, and I think Rabel
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  Speaker 2: he's like, you know what, I don't need that. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it was Drake May. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: Mike Rabel saying I don't need to deal with this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to you know this chirping that you know,
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  Speaker 2: you want to guarantee that you're going to have a
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  Speaker 2: chance to compete for the starting job. No, that's not
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  Speaker 2: what we're going to do, so see you later. I
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  Speaker 2: think this is a Rabel thing saying I don't need
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  Speaker 2: that noise. I'm starting out here. We want guys who
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  Speaker 2: you know, want to compete, but they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: be a distraction.
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  Speaker 3: I most people think that, But the question is does
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  Speaker 3: he think that because he wanted to make it easier
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  Speaker 3: for May or not. I don't think anybody thinks May
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  Speaker 3: went to the Patriots and said you need to get
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  Speaker 3: right if.
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  Speaker 2: Your show was insinuating that they do. No word diva
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  Speaker 2: came up many times.
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  Speaker 3: But they keep saying, and I listened to yesterday afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: This is why I know because I had to leave
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  Speaker 3: early yesterday, so I caught a lot of them, and
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  Speaker 3: they kept saying that that's the way that these reports
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  Speaker 3: are seeming to make it sound is that this was
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  Speaker 3: to clear the decks for Drake May. And Felger several
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  Speaker 3: times said I don't know that that's that to be true,
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  Speaker 3: but that's the way they're reporting is making this sound.
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  Speaker 3: But they were quick to say that we have no
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  Speaker 3: evidence that Drake May is a debbs, but they're making
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  Speaker 3: it sound like this was saying it over and over again,
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  Speaker 3: because I do think it's odd that a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the different reports have sort of indicated this was to
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  Speaker 3: clear out the quarterback room, right, which I don't really understand.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of agree with and you know that I
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  Speaker 3: do not always agree with those two sure bosos that
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  Speaker 3: that love to torture me. If I were Drake May,
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  Speaker 3: I don't care now if Joe like to me. This
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  Speaker 3: is more about Joe Milton. I think Joe Milton probably
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  Speaker 3: orchestrated this trade. He probably asked to be traded. And
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  Speaker 3: that's again I'm not reporting that. That's my feeling is
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  Speaker 3: that he probably wanted to go to a place where
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  Speaker 3: he felt he would have a chance. Why he wanted
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  Speaker 3: to go to Dallas where he has less of a
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  Speaker 3: chance there than here because they have a sixty million
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  Speaker 3: dollar quarterback who's at least a year, if not more,
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  Speaker 3: away from losing his job.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, and I think you know you've got got You've
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  Speaker 2: got a team. It's going to be ninety guys in camp,
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  Speaker 2: but eventually fifty three guys. Chances are over the course
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  Speaker 2: of the season that everybody in this team is happy
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  Speaker 2: all the time are very minimal. But if I'm Rabel,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not starting out with a disgruntled guy. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: not going to start out that way. And You're not
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  Speaker 2: that good that I'm going to deal with it, so goodbye.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't fault Joe Milton at all for wanting
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  Speaker 4: a chance. He's an older prospect, I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 4: fault Joe Milton either, and I just go back to
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  Speaker 4: when they drafted him.
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  Speaker 3: When we were on the draft show.
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  Speaker 4: I remember the reactions, especially from Paul and Evan, being like,
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  Speaker 4: I hate it. I just why are we doing this
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  Speaker 4: to Drake? Why are we going to have a guy
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  Speaker 4: hanging over his head. I'm a fan of always drafting
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  Speaker 4: a quarterback, I just don't in the same year, especially
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  Speaker 4: when you took a guy third overall. So I get
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  Speaker 4: what Rabel's probably doing. I don't fault Milton getting the chance,
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  Speaker 4: and I still think they're going to have to add.
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  Speaker 9: To the room.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, good luck Joe Milton, go for it,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, move on.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: And people have brought up to compared well, you know,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Brady wanted to be the starter he I'm sure he did,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure he thought he eventually would be. But
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I don't remember him saying I don't remember him making
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: a fuss.
• 16:00
  Speaker 9: Like this was.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's really any evidence that Drake made
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: drove this.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: No, but what I'm saying is we think Milton might have, right,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: but back then Brady was we There was never any
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: reports of Brady being disgruntled, and.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: I mean as a starter or as a backup, but
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: he never really was the backup. Well he was, he
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: was the four string quarterback, and then he was the starter.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: That's true, that's I mean literally, you know, in the
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: middle of the second game. Yeah, he spent one game.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: But I've heard people say, well, you don't think Brady
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: wanted to be the starter or thought he could be this.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he did, but you know, there was never
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: any and you know, any of this stuff.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: But put it through the context of today, where Joe
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Milton went to two colleges, Brady was at Michigan the
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: whole time. If this is now, Brady was at Michigan,
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Brady wouldn't have stayed at Michigan. If he was sitting
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: behind tre Henson there and wasn't getting an opportunity, he
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: would have gone somewhere else. It's also a different mindset
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: now for these quarters, like every.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Guy should want to play and and and so I'm
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: glad you brought up Brady though, because this is one
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: part that I will push back on the two guys
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Mike and Tony yesterday. Bill wouldn't have made this trade.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Bill would unless Milton had done something. Their their insinuation
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: was unless Milton had done something to Belichick like asking
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: for more money. You have been a pain to Belichick.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: It's not the same, and I'm not claiming it's the same.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: But how long did Bledsoe stay after he lost his job?
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Not long end of the season. The next year he
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: was gone. Yep, Because that's a potential distraction right now
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: that you don't need.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Plus you could get a first round pick for him.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: No, No, that's what It's not the same. It's not
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: the same. I'm not pretending it's the same. It's a
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: much different story. It's one hundred million dollar quarterback who
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: had already established himself as a super Bowl caliber quarterback
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: who was a multiple time Pro Bowler. It's not the
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: same as Joe Milton, like you should have been able
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: to handle Joe Milton. I get it, But to me,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: the crux is a potential distraction. I want to ignore.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I want to avoid any possible problems before they arise.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: And I think Bill, he easily could have said, well,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Drew Bledsoe around as my backup if he thought it
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: could be a perfect utopia world. But he knows that
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: that's not going to be something that's gonna sit well
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: with Drew, so he moves them, just like I don't
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: think Mike thought this would sit well with Joe Milton,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: so we moved them again. It's not the same, but
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: it's not all that much different either.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's avoiding unnecessary distractions. And like I said,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: if Milton was a little bit better, maybe you know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: but he's not that good. And there's a lot of
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: people that are worried about that too, Like he'll be
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: like that. You know, I saw it.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I saw it. He's the best, but I'll say he's.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Not better than as long as May is good too
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: than five.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: But if he's better, you know, people and it's a small,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: a small percentage. This is a little bit of Felger
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: straw Man. It's it's a small percentage. But people think
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: there's a chance that he's better than May based on
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: what they saw in the last.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Few he is he is, and you know it'll be
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: then that's it'll be.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: It's a missed up as you know, something it happens, Yeah,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: it does. I'd be very surprised if that happens.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: But it happens, Dak gets hurt, Milton gets in. He's
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: oh right, you know what if that?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I mean Dak has gotten seriously hurt. What two of
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: the last three years or three of the last four
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: or something like that. You know, so if if Joe
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Milton goes in. And I do agree with you, Mike,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: I think you made great points about Milton's mindset too.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: As an older prospect. We spent six years in college.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Probably can't does it in his mind, can't afford to
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: spend two three years with no chance to compete.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Right, And maybe some spots starts for Drake may here
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: and there if he gets hurt, But wait till he
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: gets the end of his rookie deal and then someone
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: decides to pay him. In a perfect world, you'd he'd
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: light it up in the preseason.
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: You get.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: But but I do think he had a better chance
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: of playing here in twenty twenty five than he does
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: in Dallas.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Oh you think so?
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, I don't think the chance is high either place.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: But well, I mean it's a young rookie who got
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: knocked out of a couple of games last year. Now
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: you're banking on another serious injury for Dak Prescott, which
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: is possible. Like I said, yeah, I think he he
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: had that, like the dislocated ankle thing, like maybe three
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: years ago, and then last year he missed I think
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: eight eight or nine games he missed. He missed half
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the season last year, which why the Cowboys stunk.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: But is he the backup? I mean, if he's the
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: backup to Dak, he's not getting probably beyond Dobbs here,
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: So I mean, does he go from third string here
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: to second string there? Does Dallas trust him that much?
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: Maybe?
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know if Will Greer ahead of him or not.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's to me, like the Dallas part
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: of it, it's typical Jerry Jones. Oh yeah, because Cooper
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Rush was going to cost money, so they let him walk.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Trey Lance was going to cost money, so they let
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: him walk. And they bring in a guy who's not
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: making he's not even making a million dollars as a
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: six you know, rookie contract, sixth round pick. He's making
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: one nine hundred nine. He's probably not even make a million.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Dollars based an enemy.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so to me that reeks of Jerry Jones.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The thing I just can't shake. And that's why
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: I always like to draft a quarterback every year. Is
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: it's just that insurance. It's like having another young prospect
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: to push, because ultimately, I don't think Patriot fans care
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: if it's Drake may or Joe Milton or who. They
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: just want the next great quarterback. And you want to
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: give yourself as many bites at that apple as you
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: can get. That's why again, I think I relooked at
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of these quarterback prospects as I think this
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: year you gotta, you know, put another one in that
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: pipeline and get another arm in camp.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think your point is good, Mike. But I
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: also would say I would just add, if I were
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: in charge of a team, I would rather my backup
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: quarterback be developed that way than having to sign Jacoby
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Brissett and then Joshua Dobbs and spending you know, it's
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: modest money comparatively, but you know, eight million on perset, right,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: it's another five million for Dobbs. I think this year
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I'd rather have my backup. What about making nine hundred thousand, right,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: which is the reason why I want to do the
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: mic thing.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that Green Bay did forever.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: And you know, like we've rattled off the names back
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: in the nineties when Ron Wolf used to do this
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: all the time, and he would, you know, he never like,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: he never like held anybody up to get rid of
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Matt Hasselback or Ty Dettner or Mark Brunell. He didn't
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: get anything for Flynn. Flynn left as a free agent,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: but he was able to develop these backup quarterbacks for
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, cheap money, cheap dollars, and then you're able
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: to flip them for the you know, probably the similar
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: pick that you got for them that you used on them.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, but.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: In the meantime you have backups that are that are
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: young and affordable and developing in your system. I think
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: to Mike's point, it's good business.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's also I think I just like the the
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: dynamic of the room bringing now that you're Drake's a
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: year removed, bring a young rookie in. It helps Drake
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: probably to set an example for a younger guy. And
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: as much as he was drafted ahead of Milton, there
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: was always that kind of vibe. I would imagine I
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: kind of felt that it just like because Milton's such
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: a presence, right, Like I always just felt like, yeah,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Drake's a guy, but man meltain standard.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: It's like if they had and I can't even think
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: of the guys that got drafted late last year now
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: off the top of my head, but if they had drafted.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Average size, pocket quarterback guy, you know, the two lane
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: kid Pratt, remember him, kind of liked him. If they
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: had drafted him in day three, I wouldn't have gone
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: on the ranter that I went on when they Mike's
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: right about the stature and sort of it's almost like
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: a mythological presence that J. Milton has.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: He has this incredible set of gifts skills, you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: with the size, the arm, the strength. I mean, people
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: think he can be a tight end. He's that kind
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: of athlete.
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: That's not the same as just like, well, you're going
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to take a flyer on a guy in the sixth
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: round and you know maybe he's a third quarterback.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile he's out there doing back flips and stuff, and
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I was going.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: To create attention because of his unbelievable skill set.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And I was okay with creating attention and fans loving him.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: But if he starts like being a nuisance himself, then
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: it's time to go.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: But but I don't even think he was a nuisance.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: It was a problem and he needed to go. Yeah,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: because people are now seeing like, huh, he can do this.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: He made that throw on the sideline. Oh did you
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: see the backflip? Like things that aren't important, things that
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: are unimportant, they're just unbelievable athletic gifts that he has.
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of the reaction to though, is
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: just it goes back to camp last year when early on,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: before even moved to eleven on eleven, we were getting
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: reports on this is a real quarterback competition and oh,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Joe Milton had the throw of the day and you're.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Not report on that.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: You were you were, You were reporting.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Settling, settling and setting it all up last summer. I
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: remember when then went into hibernation.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Forgot about when he played in the preseason games, like
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: he was okay in the first one I think it
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: was Houston, the first one here.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: The other two he was running around one of them.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: One of them in particular, is one of the worst
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: quarterback performers I've ever watched in a preseason game.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: So he was.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I thought he was pretty bad in the preseason last year,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: but then the last game he played incredibly well. I
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: don't care who he played against, that's a big part
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: of the story, but he but he played well. He
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: still had to make the throw he.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Showed off his arm.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: That laser he threw home, the one that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Didn't count was the most impressive throw ever.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Draft talk, draft wins, news, whatever you want to call it.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Travis Hunter was talking yesterday and no, I mean he's like,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I want to play every down, both sides of the ball.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I can do it. You know, he claims he can
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: do it. I thought it was interesting I heard him
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: saying that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Sure, I like him saying it. I don't think I would.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I would, I would do it, but I would try
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: to ramp up to it. I mean, why not.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: See I wouldn't be opposed to it, but just not
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: as a rookie.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I want him to learn something first. Yeah, yeah, that's
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: what you know, one or the other, whatever one you
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: think he's better at. I want him to learn that
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: trade first.
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: And then if you think, okay, he's established himself, he
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: has this, let's put more on his plate and then
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: if he can play both ways, more power tool.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: So I think the bonus is I mean, if he
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: came here, We've discussed plenty. I think it makes sense
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: to starmint wide receiver. It's the biggest position to need
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: and that's where I think he's got probably the most
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: learning to do. But I think by teaching him that
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: position and learning the nuances of NFL route running and
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: play design and those things, is he learns that, it's
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: also going to inform him on the other side of
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: the ball. And then you start, like I would start to,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: you know, get his feet wet it. I mean, I
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: want to go back to what I said originally, where
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: let's play him on third down both sides of the ball.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: I think he's a wide receiver, probably not in every
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: down wide receiver at least to start, but you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: then you get to start getting him in on some
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: third downs, play him inside. You know, look, we're not
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: going to just man him up on somebody. We're going
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: to use him as a little bit of a chess piece,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: and it's not you know, make it so he doesn't
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: have to think too much. You gotta get that athletics.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I would I would if I took him, I would
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: definitely start him at wide receiver, you know, through through
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the spring in the summer as much you know, see
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: how he's doing there, and if I see, okay, this
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: is where he belonged, you keep him there and then
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: if not, then you start to convert him back to cornerback.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: You just hope that you have to start him at
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: wide receiver. That's just where he can make more of
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: an impact.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good argument. I was going to ask
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: you which what which one you think would be harder
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: to learn?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I think wide receiver, so I think corner Really.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Why because I think there's so much that goes into it,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: you know, playing within the system.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say the same thing about
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: why he was route.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Running, like you just have to learn like to run
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: a little bit more precise routes. But like, I mean,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I know it's more to that. I know I'm simplifying it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you can make an argument either way.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I think I think not why I'm going to get
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: into a knockdown drag out because you can.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Also just go with that guy, follow him, cover him.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: That's it, Like, that's the play.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: But I said, but it very rarely gets done like
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: that anymore. You know their zone, verus man, all the
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: luances of and then learning the receivers that you're covering.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: It's not like college where you're covering a plumber. You know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: like you're covering you know, quality guys that can make
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: you look bad.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Plus all the communication on defense that has to happen
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: before the snap. I mean, yeah, there is communication offensively,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: they've changed the play adjuster out, but.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: The offense is trying to create confusion.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Right, and so stressed that you got to know quick
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: and right.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: So the other thing that I thought was interesting. I
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: heard a clip from Mike Mayock yesterday. Old friend Mike Mayo.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: What's he doing now?
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know he was he was doing. You know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: it's like talking about some draft positions and he's he
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: had mentioned that wide receiver and tackle with the two
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: positions that have him sort of the most flum mixed.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: But he talked about wide receiver at let that heard
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: a long clip that they played on Felgrind Maz and
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: he talked about it's not a great year for wide receivers,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: which we already knew. But he's said there's only a
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: couple of guys that he thinks are really first round,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: and he mentioned McMillan, he mentioned Matthew Golden, and I
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: think he mentioned Luther Burden.
• 29:09
  Speaker 12: Yep.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Never mentioned Travis Hunter as a wide receiver. I don't
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: know if he was just omitting him or if he
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: felt like he's more of a corner.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: That had to be an omission, but I don't know.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I just he's still doing top five with ten people
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: on probably probably Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I would just say I think in the receivers you
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: can get traits, you know, they're guy's traits. The all
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: around potential guys doesn't really seem.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Like there's that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And he had mentioned specifically Michael that Michael the well,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: when I'm serious, you know, he doesn't think there's anywhere
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: near the amount of sort of day two gems that
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: they have been saying the last four or five years
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: at receiver.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's some speed guys. Kyle Williams from Washington
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: State's a guy. Ivan and I were talking about what
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: we've talked about. Isaiah Bond from Texas to that that
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: to me is What intrigues me just for this Patriots
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: group where I think they're running nine ten guys deep
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: right now, is I just love to get a burner, Like,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: give me a burner. He doesn't have to be big,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: he doesn't have to be the most polished route runner
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: or anything like that, but just love to see some
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: guy with some straightway speed just to try to get
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: that element right, you know, into the offense.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess he's got to be just more than
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: just fast though, you know, because we had that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: No, they need someone who can play. And I'm a
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: little worried that it doesn't sound like there's a lot
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: of these guys, Like I don't know if they are
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: going to be the AJ Browns and the Terry mclaurin's
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and those guys coming out of date day two of
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the draft that are going to be impact players based
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: on you know, just Mike Mayock.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm not sure that Klellan Farrell was that
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: one of his Uh oh.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had he had some bad drafts with the Radus.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: I always really liked him, and then when he went
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: to the Raiders and I'm like, who's this guy picking now?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Like I would you would you allow would you change
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the draft to allow teams to draft futures? So, in
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: other words, draft a guy, reserve a guy a year
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: ahead before you could.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Draft arch Manning. Now, whenever he decides to come out,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: he belongs to you.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Obviously you lose the pick, basically, would you allow that?
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: No?
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: But I think that that's not I don't think it's
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: a dumb concept. I mean, everybody Larry Bird that way.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: I just want to is everybody eligible, like you can
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: go off the beaten path anyone you want?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Two years for him, but I guess the danger of
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that would be okay, So once arch Manning gets future
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: draft by the Patriots, he doesn't want to play anymore,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: like like you know, he's like faking injuries so he
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't get hurt in his college career and he saves
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: himself for the pros.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know, Well, what if you drafted, I mean,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: could you do him like in a sixth round pick,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: like I'm going to take this, you know, I'm going
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: to take this. And now he's slotted as a sixth
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: round pick.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: You have to you'd have to fix that, have to
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: fix that, you'd have to have to only be first.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: Rightly I'm just going to take some fly take a
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: seventh in.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: The seventh round every year, I would take a guy
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: who I think is going.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: To be really good. So the caveat would be the.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Ohio State guy Ryan Uh. The two wide receivers. It's
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Alabama and Ohios Williams, Ryan Williams, and you think he
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: might oh yeah, he's the Alabama he's the seventeen year
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: old state guy and Jeremiah Smith.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: So it has to be you have to use a
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: first round pick, you know, so you're you're deferring a
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: first round pick for whenever this guy graduates or I.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Mean I wanted to get the first round is going
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: to be kind of like everybody's already drafted, you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: you just have the guys who broke out their senior
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: year or that would probably be.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: But you know, like like I'm I don't I don't
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: think it's the worst thing, because like, if you're your
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: team's like, oh, we have to wait. But now there's
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: this like anticipation for this kid to finally be done
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: with his car.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: If you were the Giants right now, wouldn't you take
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: arch Manning?
• 32:46
  Speaker 9: Sure?
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Right at three, right right?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And it opens it up for other teams to get
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: access to guys who there.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Especially if Travis Hunter goes too right, now, the Giants
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: have to take ab Duel Cotter quote unquote have to
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: and they have Brian Burne in Cavon Thibodeau, like we're
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: going to take arch Manning, right, that wouldn't be a
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: terrible pick. I kind of like your idea.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: And then if the guy ends up not being that
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: good in college, well.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well buy be aware that I know.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say is sometimes guys
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: have bats in your years, right, and their stock goes down,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: and can you believe they wasted the third overall pick
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: on archy.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Now when it comes again, when it comes time to draft,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: you can trade that draft if you want, but you
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: could be stuck with the person.
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm reminded of like old like Bobby your
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: stories of you know, when they sign amateur players to
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: you know, just random kids, like oh and then he
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: signed with this team, but then he went and signed
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: with that, Like he's already been on like three teams
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: before he's even played.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: You know, in the NHL, didn't the Celtics get Birdy
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: year early?
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: You just never listened to me. I legitimately just said
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: that that's how the Celtics processing. That was a little
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: different because the rules at the time were your draft
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: eligible once you're graduating class of when you entered college.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: He had spent four years in college, but because he
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: transferred from Indiana to Indiana State, he had to sit
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: out a year. Back then, that didn't happen all the
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: time the way it does now. So he was in
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: his fifth year after his high school, so he was
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: eligible after the fourth year, right, and read said we're
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: going to take him.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, still on episode one.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I'll get to the other part.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I gotta watch that tonight. Yeah. I think I'm up
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: to date except for this week. I didn't see last
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: night yet.
• 34:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: The problem with it is we're talking about Celtic City now.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: It's the documentary by The Ringer and Bill Simmons. They
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: never talk about the season. They go right to the postseason.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: You know, there's never any talk about what transpired during
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the season. And I'm thinking to myself, all they're doing
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: is reinforcing the narrative that the NBA regular season doesn't count,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: you know, doesn't.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Plus, I don't think that they get into enough you
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: know here and there a little bit, but I don't
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: think they get enough of the sort of relationships among
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: those teams, the players. Yeah, you know, they talk a
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: little bit about McHale and Bird and how you know
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: they friends, Like, well he got mad at them.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: You don't mess with people's money. Yeah I didn't.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that story either. That was one of
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: the instances that that's what I'm interested in. Yeah, you know,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I want to know things that weren't readily available. You know,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I can open up PO Pro Basketball Reference and do
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: an account of the nineteen eighty four season. I remember
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: what happened. That's all they're doing. You know, I'd rather
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: have those kinds of stories. Where Parish was holding out
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: he wanted more money, and Bird said something to the
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: effect of, you know, if we have plenty of guys,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: we have plenty of talent on their edge.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of an unwritten Parish money to that
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: professional athletes is you don't mess with another guy's.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Then Bird got in a fight against Doctor J and
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: he was kind of getting attacked from the back by
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Moses Malone, and Parish just stood there and watched, right,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: and he explained why he was really mad at Larry
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: at the time. Yeah, I think Parish is pretty good
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: in that documentary itself. You don't see that's again, you
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: don't hear a lot from Parish. He was such a
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: quiet guy when he played. You hear a lot of
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: stories from McHale.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Or he was too busy getting FedEx. That's true.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Chief all right, yep. That Celtic's moanment, brought to you
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: by Yeah.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: So players continue with their off season workouts today. We'll
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: have a little bit more on social media from that
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: as well. When's the first time that we media gets
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: access to anything? May you might know this day?
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little bit of me. But I mean
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: twenty I mean, I don't know. Maybe will we get
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: a glimpse, Oh.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Well, we get the rookie will we get rookieia?
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: But I don't know if we're getting on this year.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: It hasn't been explicitly said.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I could be earlier than that.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: There are three early arting in mid May. I think
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: the rookies would be the first weekend after after.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: The draft, so early May. I would say, cool, Yeah,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: all right, it April, early May. It's coming fast. It's
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: unbelievable how close the draft is already.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Wonder I wonder how much the formula is going to change.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: I didn't really notice a lot of changes last year
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: from Bill the Jerro. It still seemed like the mechanics
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: of practice generally kind of felt similar to me. But
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: you know, Rabel, he's got his own thing, He's doing
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: his own thing.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I just thought I thought there was a long ramp
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: up to practice most days before they actually did anything.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: That was one difference I saw with Mayo last year.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: I felt like, you know, a lot of people made
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of the fact that this was a really
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: hard camp because of the actual amount of time they
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: were out on the field, But I didn't think they'd
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: spent a lot of that time actually practicing. There was
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of positional drills, you know, the warm up.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: It seemed like forty five minutes to an hour before
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: they did anything. Pretty much every day.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of your people yesterday were me you
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: people one of them. But dared Yea pointing out that
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Gerard could have started early last year and decided not
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: to be Some of us were ahead of the curve
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: on that because they you know, he didn't feel they
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: were on the same page. Listen, I'm not going to
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: be a fraud. At the time, I'm like, if he
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't think the coaches are ready yet, then good, don't
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: start yet, don't bring the players into the building and
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: you don't know what the hell you're doing yet. That said, okay,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: why don't you know that what the hell you're doing?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: But it took them a long time to get that
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: staff together. They were behind the eight ball from the beginning.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not telling you that they were wrong for being behind.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Why it was troubling that they were behind. That was
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: my point of the time.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: You see red flags pretty quick, paul I. I that
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: was a red flag, and there were probably a couple
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: more examples of that from last season that I feel like,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: you see it. That's a red flag right there.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: And like I heard, my buddy big Head was talking
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: about this yesterday, like this time last year. You know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: there's already one thing that's going on now that he
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: likes more than that.
• 39:02
  Speaker 10: Was it right?
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: And I just and I'm not picking on you because
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: I know that you argue with me because that's what
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: we contract really obligated to do. But you have an
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: opportunity to start two weeks before everybody else, and you
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: just said, no, we're gonna punt on that. We're not
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: gonna We're not gonna even if you could have just
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: gotten together, Okay, we're not really ready for it yet.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Get him in, Go go left, go do something. You know,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: you can have a meeting, yeah, you know, because you
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: can't do really anything on the field yet anyway. Now,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I mean you see like that we have like a
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: little outline of all the things you can do, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: none of the people. This is not telling tales out
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: of school. It's all available out there online for anybody
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: wants to know. Like, you can't even like catch pass,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: like the defense can't catch a pass from something, like
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you can't intercept the path. You can't do anything right,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Like it's not football yet. You're just sort of getting
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: acclimated to a new program, a new system.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: But but what you said that Vrabel's really setting his
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: own tone and doing it his own way. We did
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: get some really really really good access yesterday that we're
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: not putting out yet, but it's going to be part
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: of a longer form video that we'll release after the draft,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: and I can't wait for people to see it. You're
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: so you're right, there are things that Rabel is doing
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: that it's like, oh, okay, that's pretty cool. You can
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: see how he's putting his immediately putting his thumbprint on
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: the team. And we've been given that access. So you'll
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: see that after the draft in the longer form documentary
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that we release. Excited to see you, Yeah, yeah, behind
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: good stuff.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Yep, all right, so that's that, Mike. You thought Kyle
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Duggert looked a little thinnery yesterday.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, it's funny. I was, I was getting ready
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: to hit out the door yesterday and I got my
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: phone lights up. Mike Grease, I'm like, well, I got
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: to answer this one, and he's like, Deuce, I'm looking
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: for someone as crazy as me. I'm trying to go
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: through your footage here to see which players are coming
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: in to the in the video that we put out,
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: and so I we're but we both we didn't quite
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: get Digs at first because he was a little bundled up.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: We got him, but but Kyle dugger weren't sure at first.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: But he seems like he might have yeah, lost a
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: little weight. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe that's part of
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: guys trying to fit the scheme, better, getting lighter, getting faster.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Maybe I got to get a look up close to him.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe he was just bundled up. He's always kind of
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: a wiry guy anyway, he's not the thickest. But yeah,
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: seemed like maybe maybe he'd come down a little bit.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Better than the other way around.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, better, you know, And if he was coming off
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: the injury, you know, you didn't know how much off
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: season work he was going to be able to do.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: But looks like that wasn't an issue in shape. Yeah,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: all right? Eight five to five past five hundred is
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the email address.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: So let's hear what's on people's minds. We'll start on
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the Hotline. We'll go to Randy, who's in Providence. What's up, Randy?
• 41:49
  Speaker 13: Hey, So I wanted to talk drafts with you guys
• 41:52
  Speaker 13: for a moment here. I know I heard you talking
• 41:55
  Speaker 13: about the wide receiver class earlier, and I kind of
• 41:58
  Speaker 13: couldn't disagree more with what you were saying. I think
• 42:00
  Speaker 13: the meat of this wide receiver class is on Day two,
• 42:03
  Speaker 13: in that second and third round. I think there's some
• 42:06
  Speaker 13: very direct comparisons between the twenty nineteen wide receiver class
• 42:10
  Speaker 13: and this one, Like, can I just stop you for
• 42:12
  Speaker 13: one quick second?
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I just want to just you know, this was what
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Mike Mayock said. I was just I was parroting with
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Mike Mayock said about the draft. Just one, just one,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: just one man's opinion.
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah that's all.
• 42:26
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean look at Mike Mayof's track draft history.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not good.
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: That's all you need to say.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: It's not good with the with the Raiders, absolutely the but.
• 42:35
  Speaker 12: No, I think like if you look at twenty nineteen
• 42:37
  Speaker 12: wide receiver class, there are you know, you had Martise
• 42:40
  Speaker 12: Brown who jumped up into the first round when he
• 42:42
  Speaker 12: ran the fourteen seven at the combine, right, very similar
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: to Matthew Golden jumped up into the first round really
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: when he ran the fourteen nine.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: That was one of the guys Mayok had at first
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: round grade for Golden.
• 42:53
  Speaker 13: Yeah, but he wasn't super special in college, right, Like
• 42:56
  Speaker 13: he only played into the first wide receiver so flawed attack.
• 43:00
  Speaker 13: Since when Bond went down and then you got and
• 43:03
  Speaker 13: kill Harry in that twenty ninety draft, I think he's
• 43:06
  Speaker 13: got very similar comparisons to t mac personally. I'm like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 13: you look deeper into the second round. You know, AJ Brown,
• 43:14
  Speaker 13: Trey Harris, DK Metcalf, Jaden Higgins. There's a lot of
• 43:19
  Speaker 13: direct comparisons, I think, and I think the meat of
• 43:21
  Speaker 13: this draft is in the second and third round. I
• 43:23
  Speaker 13: think some of the better mock drafts that I've seen
• 43:25
  Speaker 13: for us have them going with like a Will Campbell
• 43:29
  Speaker 13: first and then Jade Jiggins second. But I wanted to
• 43:31
  Speaker 13: ask you about that because I do see people in
• 43:35
  Speaker 13: scenarios trading back, and I think that's great, you know,
• 43:38
  Speaker 13: to be able to draft Will Campbell.
• 43:40
  Speaker 12: But do you think, particularly.
• 43:41
  Speaker 13: Maybe in the first year of a new administration, if
• 43:44
  Speaker 13: you will, there's value in saying we're taking you with
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: the top five pick because this is the type of
• 43:51
  Speaker 13: player that we want and that sort of thing, you know.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not I think I follow. I mean,
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: I'm guessing he's saying as Will Campbell's kind of demeanor
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: and leadership and drafting him more for intangibles. Like I
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: just think you have to hit this pick. It has
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: to be a really good player, it has to be
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: a guy. I love Will Campbell's and tangibles. But I
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: don't think you can draft fourth overall with like your
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: main drive being well, he's a good guy, it's gonna
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: be good for the program. He's Rabels kind of guy.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: I think that's a nice key.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: But I think and the talent, if everything else is equal,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: that's that could tip you over.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: You want to tell me that they will Campbell's the
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: left tackle and they believe in him, and he's gonna
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: play there and and it'd be a shock to them
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: that he'd be a guard, then sign me up for that.
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: But if there's some some question, I think everybody's in
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: a similar boat where you take a trade down. You'd
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: love to have a trade down. You'd love to go
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: to the Raiders at six. I know a lot of
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: people talking about the Saints at nine. I don't know
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: how realistic it is that people are going to trade
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: up to four for Shad or Sanders, but that's what
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: you're probably hoping on. Otherwise, there's some ri skip for
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: if it's not Carter Hunter, there's gonna be questions. There's
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: gonna be some kind of well is this gonna work out?
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Are you sure?
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: With just about anybody you take?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Chad writes in says, I'm hearing opening arguments about Milton,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: and I think you all may be missing the point.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: It's not that he's gone. For most fans, it's that
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: we didn't get enough for the trade. Well that's what
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: was offered.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, so this is what happens when these reports
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: come out about they had offers for more?
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: Like what what was it?
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: Right? Like?
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: This is why And I know you get mad at me,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Fred when I do this, but this is why. Like
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: when Chris Godwin re signs with Tampa and then everybody
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: just runs with the fact that he was offered far
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: more money by the Patriots. Well, was he really or
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: was it the chance it was the chance to make
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: more or non guaranteed more like, he actually got more
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: guaranteed from Tampa. But you were you were willing to
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: give him one hundred and thirty million. They were only
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: given him a hundred million, but the one hundred million
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: was guaranteed as what like that's not more Like I
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: need to know specifics when you're telling me that they
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: turned down, because I don't believe they turned down anything
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: significantly more than what they got. This is a guy
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: who last year got drafted in the one hundred and nineties. Yeah,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: he played one game against practice squad players, Milton, and
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: now he's all of a sudden worth.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Right, what.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: A sixth round pick is which you got for him?
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: You swap from the seventh round of the fifth round. Yep,
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: that's basically the equivalent of a sixth rounder. That's what
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: you got for him. That's what you that's what you
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: paid for him, right. I don't believe that they had
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: an offer for like a second round pick that they
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: turned down. If that's what they wanted to honor his
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: wishes to go.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: If that's true, then somebody should get fired.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Then by all means, you know, criticize away. I don't
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: believe that, prove.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Prove it to me, and then okay, I'm with you.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: But I don't think they had.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe maybe someone offered him a higher pick
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: swap than that. Maybe maybe I don't even believe that,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: but maybe maybe it was higher.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: In the fifth round for perhaps, But other than that,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I doubt sincerely that they trade they turned down significantly
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: more than they got.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe they could have gotten him for a fifth rounder
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: and not having to give up the seventh rounder.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Yep. Is that that would be more right?
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, seek anybody who actually watched Joe Milton in training
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: camp last year, and watched all of his performance in
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: preseason and then watched him in that final game. We're
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: all on the same page. At some point. Some of
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: these reports made everybody believe that he's a third round pick,
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: and we've never seen it on the field. I've never
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: seen that. He doesn't look like he looks like a
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: sixth round pack. He looks like a guy who needs
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: time to develop. He made strides clearly in that last game.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: But all right, Andrews in Portland, Maine. What's up, Andrew? Hey,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: what's going on?
• 47:43
  Speaker 10: Hey?
• 47:43
  Speaker 14: I just want to say that you're taking the call
• 47:45
  Speaker 14: first time.
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: Long time.
• 47:46
  Speaker 10: You guys give me laughing. For years and years and years,
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: I never call, but I always listened.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: I just wanting to give a quick thank you for
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: the laugh. The Harvey Langey line, Fred the last show
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: still has.
• 47:59
  Speaker 14: Met me going.
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: So I want to say thank you for that.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Pleasure to you.
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: Is I'm sick of the draft mock drafts, to look
• 48:08
  Speaker 14: through them all.
• 48:10
  Speaker 10: My question is produced when do we get the new
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: uniforms tomorrow?
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: Tomorrow?
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Probably?
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: I think That's what I'm working on.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: How to talk about that? How to talk about new Union.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: I'm excited as anybody people.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I guess may or somebody was holding up a Royal
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Blue like a couple months ago or something. Who was
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that holding out?
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: The hard thing, Fred is that you can't do royal
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: blue because it looks like buffalo. There's a lot of yeah,
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: be careful these days.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: At the time, Okay, thanks Andrew, appreciate the call and
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you listening. At the time Royal Blue came out, everyone
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: hated him. They thought they were the ugliest thing ever
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: soccer stripes.
• 48:43
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't particularly like him.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Nobody did. Oh, I'm telling you.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: So when they when they changed the uniform, I really
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: didn't like the helmet. That was the big, the big thing.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: But then they had the first year of ninety three,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: they had those blue shoes with red numbers. Yeah, you
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: couldn't even then. They changed in ninety four they had
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: like a white number and the number was up on
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: the shoulder. I kind of liked those. The following year
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: they changed again and had the big elvis on the shoulder.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Hated that, and that's what they kind of They went
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: through the rest of the Royal Blue and that's the
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: soccer stripes. You kind of like the the dual Tones
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: stripes kind of looked odd to me, so I liked.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: I liked what they eventually went to in two thousand,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: you know, as Mike likes to call them the Championship uniforms,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: the Dynasty uniform. Sorry I misspoke, the Dynasty uniform. I
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: liked that better, but I still like the old red,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: red and white, red, white and blue better than anything
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: they've done since.
• 49:45
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• 51:52
  Speaker 2: If if we just start with the rule change that just.
• 51:58
  Speaker 19: Touchback.
• 51:59
  Speaker 10: Yeah, how do you envision that impacting the return?
• 52:03
  Speaker 18: You're going to cover a lot more kicks playing simple.
• 52:05
  Speaker 18: I mean you don't want to start starting to drive.
• 52:08
  Speaker 18: Start to be at thirty five. It was twenty five
• 52:09
  Speaker 18: two years ago, now at thirty Now thirty five, so
• 52:13
  Speaker 18: your odds are to cover more. And so as you're
• 52:16
  Speaker 18: looking at the whole grand scheme of things, the kickers
• 52:19
  Speaker 18: being very important.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: What you can do with that guy.
• 52:22
  Speaker 9: He's got to have a tool box.
• 52:24
  Speaker 18: He's got to be like a punter, right, He's got
• 52:25
  Speaker 18: to be able to place the ball where you can
• 52:26
  Speaker 18: put it, you know, put it line, drive it, corner it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 18: Doubt though, that's going to be very very important now.
• 52:32
  Speaker 18: So I think the kicker is probably your most important weapon,
• 52:34
  Speaker 18: then your personally after that. But it's it's made a
• 52:37
  Speaker 18: lot of change and kind of how we're going to
• 52:38
  Speaker 18: approach this offseason.
• 52:40
  Speaker 10: You know, from a kicker standpoint, Sure you lost the
• 52:42
  Speaker 10: kicker Joey and you still have a guy's roster.
• 52:46
  Speaker 11: Yeah, maybe you just kind of comment on what Joey
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: they put you guys last year and what that position was.
• 52:51
  Speaker 18: Like you guys, Yeah, I thought Joey came in did
• 52:54
  Speaker 18: a great job for us in a whole, in a
• 52:55
  Speaker 18: hole that we needed. He came in and won that
• 52:57
  Speaker 18: job last year and did some really good things for us,
• 52:59
  Speaker 18: and I hope he does a phenomenal job at Tennessee
• 53:01
  Speaker 18: where he's going now with bones And now we're just looking,
• 53:04
  Speaker 18: you know, to replace a guy, and we got John
• 53:06
  Speaker 18: Parker on the roster. He knows already that we're gonna
• 53:08
  Speaker 18: bring in somebody else.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: However, that process is to come compete to win the job.
• 53:13
  Speaker 18: And I fully expect Parker to embrace that, which he will,
• 53:16
  Speaker 18: and then wherever we come that comes in as new
• 53:18
  Speaker 18: to embrace that. And then guy to come in and
• 53:20
  Speaker 18: and be be great for us, come in and make
• 53:23
  Speaker 18: all his field goals and help us win football games,
• 53:25
  Speaker 18: and and also be a weapon on kickoff made the.
• 53:28
  Speaker 20: Routes that some credence.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: What are you're looking for kicking across that?
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: Well, first and foremost, the character part of it is
• 53:37
  Speaker 9: really important. I don't want just a kicker.
• 53:39
  Speaker 18: I want a guy that's that's gonna be great in
• 53:40
  Speaker 18: the locker room, that can go out and hang out
• 53:42
  Speaker 18: with with the tight end, with Hunter Henry, go hang
• 53:44
  Speaker 18: out with Drake May and you know, hang out in
• 53:46
  Speaker 18: the locker room, hang out outside of this place.
• 53:48
  Speaker 9: And I want to guy a guy's guy, like an athlete.
• 53:51
  Speaker 18: Overall that's consistently through college and or in the NFL
• 53:56
  Speaker 18: where it's a free agent and or it's a college kid.
• 53:58
  Speaker 18: You know, it doesn't matter. I don't know who we're
• 53:59
  Speaker 18: gonna ge. Yeah, we're going through that process. But his consistency,
• 54:03
  Speaker 18: the ball rotation, the ball flight, and now, like I
• 54:06
  Speaker 18: just told Mike, there is the kickoff part of it.
• 54:08
  Speaker 9: Like he can't just be one dimensional.
• 54:10
  Speaker 18: He's a guy. It's like coach, I can't want to
• 54:12
  Speaker 18: kick a deep left and it's gonna be end over
• 54:13
  Speaker 18: animile when we're playing Camante Turpin. He's just gonna run
• 54:16
  Speaker 18: underneath that thing. I'm the six kickoff and take it
• 54:19
  Speaker 18: to the house. So those are just some of the
• 54:21
  Speaker 18: things that I look for. But the most important thing
• 54:23
  Speaker 18: is the character part.
• 54:23
  Speaker 21: I think I'm not being mind that in terms of
• 54:26
  Speaker 21: that sort of creativity the kickoffs that you're talking about,
• 54:29
  Speaker 21: Like is there enough of those types of examples that
• 54:32
  Speaker 21: you can find it on tape or do you have
• 54:34
  Speaker 21: to work the guys out, you know, free draft to
• 54:36
  Speaker 21: see if they can do those.
• 54:37
  Speaker 9: Sorts team you guys see it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 18: And so I'm at the pro days and the privates
• 54:40
  Speaker 18: or and or I'm working with a free agency comes
• 54:42
  Speaker 18: in for a workout, like they should know by now,
• 54:45
  Speaker 18: like what that entails because we just had a year
• 54:47
  Speaker 18: of it.
• 54:48
  Speaker 9: So a lot of those guys are.
• 54:49
  Speaker 18: Working on that technique now, they're working on the different
• 54:52
  Speaker 18: types of kickoffs. They know how important it is. And
• 54:54
  Speaker 18: and I'm just not the only one seeing it, right.
• 54:56
  Speaker 18: All the thirty one coordinators want to see it as well,
• 54:58
  Speaker 18: So they know that pretty u pretty pretty well often
• 55:01
  Speaker 18: now whether.
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: Draft when it comes to the kickers, you know, what
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: do you see in this class? And you see guys
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: that have drafticule grades that.
• 55:09
  Speaker 18: The play options for you guys, Yeah, exactly, that's what
• 55:13
  Speaker 18: That's what we've been doing, me and my assistant coach Quinn,
• 55:15
  Speaker 18: Like we've been checking out the guys we've seen probably
• 55:16
  Speaker 18: every kicker in the country, I think by now, so
• 55:19
  Speaker 18: we've got a good foundation on what's out there, whether
• 55:22
  Speaker 18: it's draftable or it's free agent whatnot. And you know,
• 55:25
  Speaker 18: whatever process we go down when we get to draft
• 55:27
  Speaker 18: weekend and.
• 55:28
  Speaker 9: Or post draft, you know, we'll approach it.
• 55:30
  Speaker 18: And that's why we have a plan for all of it, right,
• 55:32
  Speaker 18: you know, draft, not draft, free agent. We have a
• 55:34
  Speaker 18: plan in place for each each of those processes so
• 55:37
  Speaker 18: that we can get the right guy.
• 55:37
  Speaker 11: Intating that that the job of kickers kind of a
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: train inventory job. You have guys have a good year,
• 55:45
  Speaker 11: they think be a homepoort isis for you may be
• 55:47
  Speaker 11: established some consistency with that position.
• 55:49
  Speaker 18: You guys have had, Yeah, right, there's been a couple
• 55:53
  Speaker 18: of guys now, so that's very important, right, I mean,
• 55:56
  Speaker 18: I like being especially as coordinator. I want to I
• 55:58
  Speaker 18: want to continue to do that and finding the kicker
• 56:00
  Speaker 18: is a very important factor in that. So I take
• 56:03
  Speaker 18: that job very very seriously, and I think it's very important.
• 56:07
  Speaker 18: You want to build stability that they've had in the
• 56:08
  Speaker 18: past here, right, you guys have had you guys have
• 56:10
  Speaker 18: seen it in your own eyes, a lot of stability
• 56:12
  Speaker 18: from the kicker standpoint, hasn't been that way in the
• 56:14
  Speaker 18: last two years.
• 56:15
  Speaker 9: So doing everything we can right now to find that piece.
• 56:17
  Speaker 18: And it could be John Parker Romo, it could be
• 56:19
  Speaker 18: somebody else, but whoever that is is going to have
• 56:21
  Speaker 18: to win the job come that time.
• 56:23
  Speaker 19: When to adding a kicker, whether it be free agency
• 56:25
  Speaker 19: and draft, just the unique challenges that come with kicking
• 56:27
  Speaker 19: in New England late in the year.
• 56:29
  Speaker 10: How much do you weigh whether or not a guy
• 56:30
  Speaker 10: has experienced anything at weather.
• 56:33
  Speaker 18: I weigh it in and that's why I go work
• 56:36
  Speaker 18: him out because I want to see, you know, not
• 56:39
  Speaker 18: just off the sticks, you know, I want to see
• 56:42
  Speaker 18: what he does outside, or I want to throw a
• 56:43
  Speaker 18: little pressure on the guy. But sometimes that doesn't always equate.
• 56:47
  Speaker 18: You know, if this kid that kicks him in Arizona
• 56:50
  Speaker 18: or kit kis in California where it was always nice,
• 56:52
  Speaker 18: you can still go watch him and see where how.
• 56:54
  Speaker 9: The ball rotates, how hot hot high gets.
• 56:57
  Speaker 18: First, the guy might kick the Michigan and yeah, he
• 56:59
  Speaker 18: makes it every kick, but the ball's low and it
• 57:01
  Speaker 18: kind of curves in.
• 57:03
  Speaker 9: That isn't really equate to maybe a better kicker at
• 57:05
  Speaker 9: this level.
• 57:05
  Speaker 18: So I think the workout in person, whether wherever, wherever
• 57:09
  Speaker 18: they kick in the country. I think it's just me
• 57:11
  Speaker 18: seeing in person is really important.
• 57:17
  Speaker 11: How familiar with you with Mac Collins before he got here,
• 57:19
  Speaker 11: and what do you think he'd bring to special teams?
• 57:21
  Speaker 9: I don't. I don't know him at all, didn't never
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: met him, never talked to him.
• 57:24
  Speaker 18: I've just heard nothing but great things about him, you know,
• 57:27
  Speaker 18: on and off the field, from other coordinators that have
• 57:30
  Speaker 18: coached him around the league. You know, first and foremost,
• 57:34
  Speaker 18: I hope he comes in here and dominates the receiver
• 57:36
  Speaker 18: and then we're secondary. I mean he I want him
• 57:39
  Speaker 18: to come in here and play offense and do the
• 57:40
  Speaker 18: best he can of offense, and we're gonna use him
• 57:42
  Speaker 18: on special teams, then we use him. But if not,
• 57:44
  Speaker 18: then that's okay. If he's dominant offense, we're a better
• 57:46
  Speaker 18: team because of it.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: Sure mean with a new kickoff and especially coveredy new
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: kick Coffson closet part timity kickoff team, the guys were
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: blocking him on return.
• 57:57
  Speaker 19: Being a different body type today.
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: Than a couple of years ago, you guys were charging
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: out for personnel.
• 58:02
  Speaker 18: Yeah, you're definitely using a few more bigger bodies tight
• 58:05
  Speaker 18: ends and outside linebackers than you were two years ago.
• 58:10
  Speaker 18: But you still have a forty eight man roster and
• 58:12
  Speaker 18: you still got to fill your needs in an offensive defense.
• 58:14
  Speaker 18: So you still got to find a way. You know,
• 58:16
  Speaker 18: if you're gonna be lighter because your team, your office
• 58:19
  Speaker 18: deaves are lighter, then you gotta find ways around that
• 58:21
  Speaker 18: with the kicks, with how you twist guys and how
• 58:24
  Speaker 18: you place them. So you just got to maneuver. So
• 58:26
  Speaker 18: it's not always like, oh, we're gonna have to do
• 58:28
  Speaker 18: it this way and this way we're gonna do it
• 58:29
  Speaker 18: because on kickoff return now is how you know. It's
• 58:31
  Speaker 18: you have to base it off your team's personnel.
• 58:34
  Speaker 15: The challenge is that because it's kind of going against
• 58:36
  Speaker 15: the trend defensively where teams generally.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Have some packages on the field for the pass.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: You find in lighter bodies other people mention the outside linebacks.
• 58:45
  Speaker 18: Times you find a way. I mean, you have to adjust, man,
• 58:48
  Speaker 18: you just or you die. Right, So it's like, hey,
• 58:50
  Speaker 18: if we got a lighter team, find ways to be
• 58:53
  Speaker 18: better because of it, you know, on kickoff, and find
• 58:56
  Speaker 18: ways to do things differently than other teams are doing.
• 58:59
  Speaker 9: That's what you gotta do completely the last year.
• 59:02
  Speaker 22: But how excited to get the opportunity to stay for
• 59:05
  Speaker 22: another year.
• 59:05
  Speaker 10: And what has it been like working with my great
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: so far?
• 59:08
  Speaker 9: Been unbelievable, Grateful to have a job. And in this
• 59:11
  Speaker 9: profession it's every year is a new year.
• 59:13
  Speaker 18: Every year your job's on the line, and that's again,
• 59:17
  Speaker 18: that's the job that we have and I fully understand that.
• 59:19
  Speaker 18: To be able to stay for another year, I'm very
• 59:22
  Speaker 18: grateful for the opportunity, Thanks for Coach Rabel and the
• 59:24
  Speaker 18: organization for keep me on. And I'm just gonna take
• 59:27
  Speaker 18: take ownership of that and do the best I can
• 59:29
  Speaker 18: to be the best special teams for this team and
• 59:31
  Speaker 18: the best coach for this team on special teams and
• 59:33
  Speaker 18: do everything I can to help us win games.
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: And now great moments in.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: History. You know he was also a stand up comedian.
• 59:44
  Speaker 22: I heard that. Yeah, yeah, he said he started to
• 59:46
  Speaker 22: get too big, right?
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Is that what he said?
• 59:51
  Speaker 22: Started to get too much of a following?
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: Matt that you know why I left the Herald. I
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: was too successful, right, I had a to the Patriots.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: He was too big.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 22: He didn't want to travel, No.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: He didn't want to travel, did not he didn't.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 22: Want to travel on the road for the show. Started
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 22: to getting too big, too funny.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: You know, really, I don't think she never said that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: to us was big. He wouldn't dare I.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 22: Heard that he said he was starting to get too big.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: He twice he told us that he was good at
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: it and that his style was like Jerry Seinfeld.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Remember he compared himself to sign observational humor.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: So he never said that he was overly successful and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: that that's why he got out of the business. Never
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: said that to us.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: He said, they kept asking me back. I'm like it
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: was open mic nights.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: That's another great moment from.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Big Back here and Patriots on filtered eight five to
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: five past five hundred is the hotline podcast said, Patriots
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: dot com is the email address. He was too big,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: He was too big. Evan's back. I just spent some
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: time with uh Harvey and Marcus Jones.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: It's funny because now he's Harvey Langy, Like I can't
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: get it out of my head.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: So that's tough.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: Harold Landry was here. Yes, first time we've talked to
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: him since he in a press conference setting. We you know,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: had him on the website, but first time we've talked
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: to him in a press conference in signing with the Patriots,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: and he basically said, as soon as the writing was
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: all in the wall in Tennessee, he had Rabel on
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: the other line, you know, waiting for him. So it
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: sounded like that was pretty much a done deal quickly
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: within the parameters I'm sure of NFL rules.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Well, he could have done it the next day, you
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: got really Yeah.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I met like when he was still under contract
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: for the Titans. I don't know if maybe they had
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: talked about it with trade possibilities and stuff, but yeah,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: it sounds like that was both sides were eager to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: get that done as soon as he became available.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: How about Marcus Jones to hear from him?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Marcus.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: He mentioned Germany, he did.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, big fan of Dusseldorf, big fan of of all
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: the Patriots fans that were there. He said he couldn't
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: believe how many Patriots fans we were there for the festivities.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: And I also thought it was interesting. Got a couple
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: of Travis Hunter questions as somebody that's played, you know,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: on both sides of the ball in the NFL, and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: he said he wouldn't you know, say you can't do it.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: He would never say anybody can't. But he admitted that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: playing both ways in the NFL full time is lofty.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: He said, it's a long season, you know, and I
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: think he was talking about injuries and you know, bumps
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: and bruises and all that kind of stuff catching up. Yeah,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: so he he's he kind of made it sound like
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say never, but unlikely.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: That he's his injury status now physically.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: He wasn't asked about that, which surprised me. But it
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: does seem like he's a surprise. So he's been in
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: He told us that he's been in the buildings and
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: you know, in and out since February. But I'm assuming
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: to get rechecked, you know, medically, but he's he's participating
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: at least in the workouts.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Shoulder he sometimes you know me cte. He did finish
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: the season on correct correct.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he missed the last game of the season.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: No one asked him about that.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: We got it there you go. But you did both
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: of them speak at length? Was it long? It was?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: They were laid and then like a little staggered in
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: terms of the time.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, its because of the stagger. There you go,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: good friend like that. I did that. It was for me.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, was there a big contingent?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: Not a big contingent.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: But people stayed up late for the game last night.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: So then each outlet had a representative. I would say,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: you know, not everybody. You know, mass I didn't send
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: their entire you know, starting five to this, but they
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: had somebody there.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Hip injury was what Marcus Jones was dealing.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: I just guys don't finish the previous season. I would
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: think the next time you talk to them, that would
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: be something that should work its way in.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I was expecting that question Germany.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: He was, you know how that goes? But yeah, no
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: he I think with Marcus Jones, he's still trying to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: get a sense for Very Bowl and the coaching staff,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: and he was asked a few questions about that and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: he's like, it's it's day two. You know, I really couldn't.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you, you know, asked me again in
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: a couple of months, but for.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: That question, right, yeah, exactly.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: The reason that you can only say the word football
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: three times a day and that's it, but you can
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: say foot. You can look at a football you can
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: you just can't say football.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: There is music though apparently it was like one thing
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: that stood.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Out to music during the press conference.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: No, no, no, Raybel, I guess plays music that that's
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: very high on Mike Rabel's yeah west throughout the hallways
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: always yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: He's getting serious about his music too, right, like we're
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: all not too.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: He's getting music from muzach like is it contemporary songs?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Who's picking it? House DJ?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: Whats going on?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: This is well, this is an investigative reporter of question.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: I don't. All I know is is that there's music.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: And it does sound like Rabel has the ox chord.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's a thing anymore. It connects to
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: the bluetooth.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Uh you know in my car.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: Okay, you know, I think I aged myself with the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: ox cord. But yeah, it does sound like maybe you know,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: it's early, so maybe Rabel made the playlist for for now,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: but does sound like you. Harold Landry was a little like,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: I think we could do better with the music. He
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: was like it was fine, you know, whatever floats his boat.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: I think what's his answer?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Playing a little country eighties nineties rock?
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: I would guess the.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Rable Wheelhouse playing like Jethro Tull.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, people like what the flute out?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Let's go NOTQO long all right? Anything else to report?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: What did you think about Travis Hunter yesterday talking about
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: being able to play every play both sides of the
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: ball are wanting to.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: I'm sure he wants to.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you like that, you like that?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: I like that.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: I don't think it really sways me one way or another.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: I love the play like I take the player all day,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: but I do take Marcus Jones that face. I mean,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: if anybody would know what it's like to have to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: prepare to play multiple, you know, positions on both sides
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: of the ball, it would be Marcus Jones. And it's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: probably the closest thing we have, honestly, to what Travis
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: Hunter has been able to pull off. I mean, Marcus
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: Jones played even more receiver in college. You know, he
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: played ten to fifteen snaps a game at times at
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: Houston at wide receivers. So him saying that it's probably
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: not possible, I think speaks volumes.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: But they are the common well known examples of wide
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: receivers playing cornerback other than Troy Brown and Julian Edelman
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: doing it here. I'm so focused on here.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: College champ Bailey, champ Deon Sanders.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Champ Bailey would be an example.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, champ Bailey did it in college almost as much
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: as Travis Hunter.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Really he did.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: And uh, you know, going way back like Mel Gray, No,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: not Mel Gray, sorry, Roy Green different, Saint Louis Cardinal,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: he played some wide receiver. He actually transitioned full time
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: to wide receiver eventually, but he played a little of both.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: But yeah, champ Bailey is a good example at Georgia,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: but once he got to the pro Dion played a
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: lot of receiver for Dallas.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, champ Bailly is the guy that he Travis Hunder
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: gets a lot of champ Bailey comps because they played
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: both ways in college.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: So it's funny because they always hear they make fun
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: of people like if he could catch, he would have
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: played receiver. But Charlad Hunder seems like he's got elite
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: ball skills, but he's still gravitated more towards cornerback, right
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: was that? I think that's been more his position right
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: over the course of this career.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: The people that don't think that he could do both
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: I think there's more people that think he's a better
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: corner than wide receiver.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know. That doesn't mean they're right.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Kieren in Ireland, says Fred, referring to Harold Landry as
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Harvey Langy was my favorite moment of the off season
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: so far.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: To Reitery, was Harvey Lang Right, It wasn't even.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: I'm just worried. I'm gonna call it like it's going
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: to stick in my head now that Harold Landry is.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 16: Oh, I know.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: We thought that he may have been thinking of Harvey Longi,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: but he quickly corrected us on that. No, no, no, no, no,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: that's not who he was thinking of. He was thinking
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: of Harvey lang who was actual Harold Landry, not KD.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: Lang Not not to be confused with KD, A small
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: K called small D.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Right, let's see, Mike writes in and he says, lifelong
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Patriots fan, been watching since Mike didn't have white hair
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: and Paul had hair. Oh, I need some Paul therapy.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: You've been around for a long time than my friend.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: I need some Paul therapy. I'll try. Obviously, since the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: start of the season, we've wanted hunters and I'm so
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: stoked that these stooge franchises might convince themselves they need
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks and Hunter slides to us. But as the draft
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: gets close and I've watched more Campbell film and interviews,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: part of me wants Hunter to be taken, so the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Patriots will draft Campbell. Super mixed feelings here? Am I alone?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Please help? I asked you for therapy. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: I can't give you therapy. I've been pretty consistent on
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell. To me, it's all about his potential to
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: play the position, right, But what do you think? I
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: don't know enough to really have an opinion.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: I don't have an opinion.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 9: No, I.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Can't tell you from watching a guy play in college.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: It's not my profession to say that guy's not going
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: to be able to play tackle at the NFL level.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: He's playing tackle at a high level in the SEC.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: To me, hey, why can't he play? But experts seem
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: to be split on that. Some think he can. Some
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: think that the armlength there's going to be an issue.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think that Will Campbell is
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: a really good prospect. So I just I don't feel
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: qualified to say like he can't play Taco in the NFL.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: I think for me, it's like I said earlier, If
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: it's not Carter or Hunter at fourth overall, I'm gonna
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: have some questions at the fourth overall pick. I really
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: love Will Campbell. I love you know what the caller
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: said about his attitude. His demeanor brings a little bit
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: of swag to the position. But is it stupid that
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: like I would feel so much better to take him
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: at sixth than I would at fourth, Like it would
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: make me feel a little bit better to take him
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: a little bit lower to offset some of the uncertainty.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: If we can get Campbell in an extra pick, yeah,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sign me up.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: You know, I just think there's some uncertainty no matter
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: who it is. If it's not Carter or Hunter at four,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: there will be some debate about whether this pick will
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: work or not, whether you're taking somebody that you're projecting
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: or what.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Let me throw this out a thought. If the Patriots
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: end up picking at four mm, HM would be safe
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: to assume that they did not have a trade down partner.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: That in other words, if they can trade down, they're
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: gonna trade down.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: But if they love the guy or well, it's not
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: That's okay. That's why I'm asking, is it safe to
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: assume you can say no, it's not safe to assume no.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: I think you might be you might be right, but
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's an assumption that I'd be willing
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: to make because they might really like whoever they take
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: it for.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure they're gonna like who they took
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: you know, you know what I mean.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about really liking not telling us like we
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: didn't want to trade, right, right.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but we didn't want to trade, but
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know if the package is going to be there.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what I mean.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: So, like, I don't think you're going to have any offers.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: If the Patriots get at four and there's no Carter,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: there's no Hunter, would the Patriots prefer to trade down?
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: That's the question I.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Would If that's the question, I would say probably yes.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: And you possibly miss out on a guy like Campbell
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: then right, Yeah.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: I think it depends like on what is coming back, like,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: it depends on the offer. You know, I'm not trading
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: down just to trade down, sure, but if it's a
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: good enough.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Offer, whatever you think is a good enough offer. Would
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: they rather do that or take somebody?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: I would assume probably there's no you know me too,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: This isn't the Patriots. This is so In other words,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: there's no guy other than Carter or Hunter that the
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Patriots say we're not trading. We like this guy at four,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: we are not trading. Here's no one that they would
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: be willing to say that about. It makes me feel good.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: I'd like to think that they felt that way about Like,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: if they have that kind of conviction about Will Campbell, Yeah,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: I think that that would ease my fears a little bit.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: I think the only way that I could see that
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: is if they truly feel that Campbell's the only true
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: left tackle in that range, Like if they're not, if
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: they're more convinced of him playing tackle than Membu flipping
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: sides right, Like, if they don't feel like Membo is
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: truly a left tackle and is a right more of
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: a right tackle, then I guess maybe you'd feel compelled
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: to not lose out on Campbell. But I'm sure that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: if they had a good offer, and you know something
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: I've been just thinking about, would team trade up for
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: shaudor like it sounds to me like he's at least
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: in the conversation for the Browns at two and the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: Giants at three. I don't know if he's gonna win
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: out and they're gonna take him.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: But well that's our only hope. But they're at least.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: Discussing him as an option there, which tells me that
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: it's not completely crazy to think that he's a top
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: ten pick in the draft. So is New Orleans at nine?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: You know, do they say, well, we're gonna jump Vegas.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: We're gonna make sure nobody you know, behind us comes
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: up and gets them, and we're gonna go from nine
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: to four and draft shedor But.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: You can you could probably go from nine to five
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: and get Shador, right.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But if somebody calls the Patriots at four and
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: offers them something, you know, somebody, Yeah, that's in your way,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: then maybe you make the trade anyway, and then it's
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: a quarterback trade, so then you're getting a little bit
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: more if you're the Patriots. Like that's the problem is
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: if you're thinking about trade down and they're only trading
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: up to draft Will Campbell or draft ash and genty
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: or something, you're not gonna get what you would get
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: if it was a quarterback, right, So if four turns
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: into a quarterback pick and four is where Shador is
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: gonna go, then now all of a sudden there might
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: be a market for four.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that seems the only way that that path happens
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: is that the other two guys, Carter and Hunter go
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: up top. It pushes shut Or down. Yeah, and do
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: somebody want him? That's that, to me is really the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: big question.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: A lot of people asking, yeah, well, what do you
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: guys think like percentages? Maybe, I mean I I.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Just the thing for me is I couldn't have predicted
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: last year that bo Nix was going to go as
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: high as he was. The league values quarterbacks so much,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: and that, to me is the great unknown that we
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: can hear all these questions about shod Or and see, yeah,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: he's a first round pick, but is he a top
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: ten pick? But I still think a team will probably
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: reach him, and I do think a team will likely
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: be interested to trade up for him, even if to me,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: on paper, it makes the most sense to just sit
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: back and wait and if you don't get him, you
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: don't get them.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what's going to happen, And that's
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: if you're asking me, now, now sit back and stay
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: three weeks, right, something like that.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 10: Two.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think if if New Orleans just talked themselves
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: into him, I think they just sit tight at nine
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: and pick them at nine. Yeah, I mean I think
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: that's the most likely scenario.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: There's definitely a case for that. I think you just
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: look at some of those teams lurking. You know, Pittsburgh
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: for example. You know there.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh would be Denver, Denver move up football. I might
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: misremembering that it was maybe a couple of picks, but yeah,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: so Pittsburgh could do it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, A team like Pittsburgh looks at it and says,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: you know, we want to come up to and we're
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: gonna jump New Orleans.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: And if your New Orleans do you say, yeah, well,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: we're going to get to the front of the line.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's the way the pick has value.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: That's what the Patriots need to hold.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Do we know it's your door going to Green Bay?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Is he going to be at the draft? I don't know,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: but j be there.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: I know that they're they're trying to get more guys
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: to go to the draft and not do things on
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: their own. But Dion seems like a like we're gonna
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: sell marketing deals to Buffalo Wild Wings or something, and
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: we're gonna make millions off of Best Draft.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: I was just thinking though, to Fred's point talking about
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: this is that if they aren't able to trade down,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: that they're gonna have to do a little bit of
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: a cell job. I think on that fourth pick of
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: saying this is the guy we wanted, they can't go
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: in and kind of insinuate like, well, we kind of
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: want to get out of the spot we got stuck,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: like they have to probably come out you sell and
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: like sell like this was he was there.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: I have exhibit A to my left just Fred, Fred
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: can run this whole thing. You have an incredible knack
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: of making every pick exactly what you wanted, and I
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: think that's all you'd have to do. Okay, No, just
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: like I think that's an easy thing to do. You
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: don't have to go out and say, well, you know,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: we really wanted to move down there, but we had
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: to make up pick. So welcome Will Campbell. Like they're
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: not going to do that.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: No, no team does that.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: But I feel like with Will Campbell, it's the position
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: need is so glaring that that's that's an easy sell.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: We needed a left tackle. We took the best left tackle.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: You know, if they take Jalen Walker, then people, I
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: think are going to be like another linebacker, like, you know,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: what are we doing?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: But if you take a guy like Campbell, you know,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: then you can sit there and say.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Well, and he played left tackle plug and play right
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: since he was born practically, Yeah, Tim and California right saying,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: longtime listener, haven't missed the show in two years. Agree
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: with Paul, bring back the old red uniform to get
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: rid of the Buffalo blueberry uniforms. I disagree with Deuce Will.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Campbell at four is our pick. He played in the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: SEC for several years at left tackle that should mean something.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: He's better than any other tackle and has that Logan
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: Mankins aggressive and violent attitude. I like Jayden Higgins in
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: the second round, as Steven Smith Senior praised everything about
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: him while pointing out that Ted McMillan does not play
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: physical enough for his size and needs more coaching. Lastly,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: at the third pick, grabbed the center from Georgia. Jared
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Wilson the third pick, third round, third pick.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: Jared Wilson's he's a good player, but it's a little
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: early first center.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: I will not be disappointed at all if Will Campbell
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: is the selection. I just I would feel a little
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: bit better if you mitigated the risks by picking up
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: maybe an extra pick to trade down a couple spots
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: and still take him. But if they have to stick
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: and pick and take Will Campbell, I totally agree with
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: what he's saying. He's a left tackle.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: Just don't say we had a stick and pick.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Don't say.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: Wolf whoever. We weren't going anywhere we're hearing from Campbell
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: fell to us. We knew different terminology when you're selling.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 9: It to us.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: Plus, my son's name is Campbell, so I get Campbell
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: jersey for you.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: So that's no, he's no Tyson Campbell. That was the
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: ultimate traffic for you.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Right, let's go back to the hot line. We'll go
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: to Tim and Seattle. Hey Tim, some yeah that's going
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Hey Tim, it's a come down.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: He does sound to the north in Seattle. It's probably
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: raining raining here too.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Don't don't complain it is.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 19: Raining, But I was just fat home in Boston was
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 19: raining all weekend.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Right, So that's what you're pissed that. I understand. You
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: try to get away from the rain and you get
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: more rain.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 14: Yeah, blame it on the rain anyway.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 19: So my feeling about I love Abdul Carter as a player,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 19: but I can't get over this feeling that if we
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 19: pick him, it's just going to feel like a luxury
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 19: pick and we're not really helping Drake May and you.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Will you only have to score fifteen points to win the.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 14: Game, I know.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 19: That's My feeling is like, are we going back to
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 19: this thing of like, well, we just got to score
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 19: a couple of touchdowns and you know, we're praying to
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 19: God that you know, the offense can handle it. But
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 19: I really think we need to address offense in this draft.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 19: And my feeling is, you know, I'm going to be
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 19: happy with Will Campbell or Tyler Warren, any of those
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 19: guys are trade down with Matthew Golden, but I think
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 19: we definitely need to pick up the tackle and wide
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 19: receiver in the first couple of rounds.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: And it's kind of it's the.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 19: Only one I'm going to be happy coming out of
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 19: this draft.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, there, all right? Thanks Tim?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: Those are the major needs, no doubt.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, boys, he's down, he's listened to. Now, imagine if
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: they don't pick offense.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: I was, I was actually mast forwarding to the Thursday night,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: April twenty fourth. Yeah, and you know we've picked and
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: it's not the guy that anybody wants.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get a.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: Lot of those kinds of people could talk themselves into
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: because it's an offensive player. But if it's a defensive place,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: you know, if it's Mason Graham.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I get what he's saying. I also just though
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: the more of the team building you go through, it's
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: like you can't orchestrate what you're going to be able
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: to get. And sometimes you have an opportunity and are
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: you going to be maybe a little bit heavy on
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: one side of the ball or one position maybe, But
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: if you have a chance to draft a player who's
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: clearly head and shoulders above the rest, you.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: Have to do it. And I mean that Duel Carter
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: is the guy that reason yeah to take.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: I know I'm not using this as a you know,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: as an excuse me, but you know, last year, like
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: it didn't really line up that they got to tackle,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: like they should have found a way to get one.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: But it wasn't easy, and they didn't figure out a
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: way to do it. Sometimes that happens, and that was
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: an extreme case last year. That really was, you know,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: unacceptable how it ultimately worked out. But you know, you
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: just you have to take what's available to you. And
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: that's why you were lucky last year. When you needed
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: a quarterback, you got the quarterback. You don't have this
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: em luck though probably this year. That's the that's the problem.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Uh, let's go back to the phones. Eldred's in North Carolina.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: What's up, Eldred, Aldred, Biggie Aldred? What's up? Aldred?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Well, must have gotten pulled over. Yeah, maybe maybe he's
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: talking to the officer. Dave's in Atlanta.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 10: Hey, Dave, Hey am I aunt?
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 14: Yes, Hey guys, how you doing.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 10: Uh? I listened to every show. I don't know if
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 10: you get a chance to call in because I'm always
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 10: on the road. But I had a chance today and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 10: I wanted to call in. Uh so thanks to taking
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 10: my call. Anyways, Uh a long time, take your sandwich season,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 10: take it holding back in the seventies. I have three thoughts.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 10: If you can bear with me, because I never get
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 10: a chance to call I'm trying to be brief. I
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 10: have thoughts on the free agency class, thoughts on the draft, uh,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 10: and I'm a one player at the current Rock. The
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 10: reason I called in today is because Evan talked to
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 10: him today and that's Mark Film. So my thoughts on
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 10: Pots go right to Marcus Jones. I believe Marcus Jones
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 10: is not a good fit for the current scheme as
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 10: they're probably setting it up, and I think he's going
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 10: to be a cut candidate coming out of camp, and
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 10: I really think that they should explore because I agree
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 10: with Evan. I think that they're going to end up
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 10: using Gigs in the slot. I think McDaniels is going
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 10: to try to maximize the root leunning ability over the
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 10: Bill and so I think Pop Belts is going to
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 10: have a lot of reduced playing time this year if
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 10: Bigs is healthy. And I would like to see them
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 10: trying to take Marcus Jones and move him permanently to
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 10: offense and make him a punt returner and make him
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 10: a spot receiver, have him played behind Digs. It's them
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 10: playing time on there because I think if they don't
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 10: do that, I think Mark Stones is not going to
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 10: be on the roster this year. Thought in the free
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 10: agency class is I think they had a good class.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 10: I did a good job plugging some holes, But I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 10: think we have to pump the brakes the fit on
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 10: being overly excited about how much they've transformed the team.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 10: I like the Carlton Davis signing. I think that these
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 10: two linebackers they picked up are good signings. They're good
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 10: team fits. But let's be honest. I mean, you're not
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 10: gonna win a super Bowl with Jack Gibbons because a
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 10: undrafted CRE agency you know, man in the middle of
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 10: the defense once you got a bunch of all frozen
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 10: around them. Uh so because Jack Gibbons that you know
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 10: that other linebacker, Slane he is a good player. But
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 10: I personally think that this CRE agency class set them
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 10: up for what Label wants to do in the draft,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 10: which the really focused on the front seven and on
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 10: the offensive line. I think there's zero Camps, zero Champs
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 10: that they're gonna take cash and vanity or style of Warren.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 10: I don't think these guys are on their radar unless
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 10: they stay down. I think that what they're gonna do
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 10: is they're gonna take Will Campbell. Uh and if Will
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 10: Campbell isn't available. It's only because they trade down and
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 10: they lose the opportunity to get them.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 10: And then in that case, maybe they take Jalen Walker
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 10: or something like that. But I think Campbell, you know,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 10: like we talked about Hunter and Uh and Carter, those
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 10: are both transcendent talents. I don't know how Brabib will
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 10: be able to resist taking Carter if he's available. I mean,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 10: it's the anchor that that pass rush. I think that
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 10: would be undeniable, irresistible. However, the reality is that we
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 10: can't lose the focus on the game plan of what
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 10: they're trying to do.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 10: We have a quarterback and a rookie contract and he's
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 10: going to potentially be a superstar if we don't protect
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 10: his buyings. But we've been kicking tackle down the road
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 10: since the last Super Bowl. We haven't addressed it in
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 10: the years, and I think the criminal that we're actually
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 10: talking about, well, you know, like I love Evan, I
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 10: love I love your thanks Sevin and the receivers and
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 10: everything as great as Tavinth Hunter could be. When you
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 10: don't have to build the house before you furnish it,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 10: I'm sorry, you've got to get the trench expect. I
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 10: don't care how great Sabath hunt is going to be.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 12: You've got to.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 10: Get a tackle at the top of the straft. I'm serious,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 10: if you're a tackle or maybe maybe I could be
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 10: talking to Carnor uh, but personally, I would take Will
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 10: Campbell even if Carnor and Sabbath under on the boarder.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 10: That's that's I just really think they need to solidify
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 10: that position UH as priority number one, and if they
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 10: get a chance to do it for I think they
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 10: got to do it. That's all I got got.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: All right, thanks Dave. So, I mean, I get I
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: get what he's saying. I understand, But but here's my thing.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: If they don't address tackle at in the first round
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: with Will Campbell, that doesn't mean I don't believe. That
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they don't believe they still have to
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: address tackle. I think that they'll do other things to
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: address that spot this offseason, whether it's bringing in Tyron
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: Smith drafting, but.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: It might not even be this year.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Like well, I don't think I would just I would
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: just take this year what they did last.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: I would just push back on the kicking the can
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: down the road. If they don't think that Will Campbell
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: is a left tackle of the future. I don't think
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: not taking him represents kicking the can down the road.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: It's evaluating the talent that's available.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: But even if they do think that Will Campbell's going
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: to be a great, a good tackle in this league,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: if you've got Travis Hunter or Carter, you got to
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: take him.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but that's a different argument.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: I just he said he would even take that.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: No, I know that's how.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: He feels about it. And obviously we feel differently about
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: Catter and Hunter. I think all four of us would
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: take either Catter or Hunter if they're available, right, But
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: I just I don't think that it's like this huge
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: misstep if they don't think that Will Campbell's as good
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: as you think he is. Like, I don't know how
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: they feel about Will Campbell. Maybe they don't think of
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: him as a left tackle. And by the way, Kansas
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: City has won a fair amount of Super Bowls without
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: kicking the can down the road with their offensive line. Yeah,
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia has a great offensive line they've invested heavily in
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: and they just won the Super Bowl. That's one way
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: to do it. But I don't believe in the whole.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: You have to build the foundation before the Like, there's
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: a million different ways to build a great football team,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: and Kansas City and Philadelphia went about it in pretty
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: much entirely different ways.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: I just think it comes back to, you know, in
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: my opinion, bad teams stay bad by passing on talent
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: for need right when you especially at that point in
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: the draft, there's no way that Travis Hunter is not
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: ahead of Will Campbell on your board. There's there's no
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: way that you have a higher grade on Will Campbell.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: So you're taking a lesser talent at that spot as
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: a team that won four football games last year, Like
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: that's that's not good business, that's not good managing of
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: the of your assets. So if you take Travis Hunter
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: at the top of the draft, like now, we can't
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: get arianta Ursery or Josh Connery or Josh Simmons or
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: you know, like there's no other options like that.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying not taking Will Campbell doesn't recom
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: doesn't to me represent kicking the canbell. And and let's
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: just say, like another thing that Dave said, and I
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: love Dave's call, by the way, but just sort of
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: given the other side of this. So Dave mentioned that
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: they have a potential superstar quarterback that they have to protect. Well,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: if he's right, If Dave is right and Drake May
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: is a superstar in the making, I'm not sure he
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: needs the number four overall pick to be a left
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: tackle because he's a superstar, right, he doesn't need that level.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: He can be like, well, he needs competent play, but
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: he doesn't need a stupid correct and you.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: Can pay before what Evan says. And a guy in
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: the second round who can do you know, a serviceable job.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: Nate Solder can can play, you know, instead of someone
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: taking the fourth overall pick. Ye, right, you know he
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to be If the better the quarterback is,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: the more room you have for error on the margins.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe if you get him a really good
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: wide receiver, like if Travis Hunter was available, that helps
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: make up for that a little bit, right, Yeah.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, if they come out of this draft and
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: they haven't made a sizable investment in tackle, then I
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: think all of us will be critical of that. But
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: they have other picks.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: But I would also say, don't you think the offense.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: Let's say that we're all wrong and then not able
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: to get anybody, and Vederian Low starts at left tackle.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Don't you still think the offensive line is better today
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: than it was last year? Yeah? Not enough.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: It's not good.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: Not enough.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: Better, But Morgan Moses at right tackle to me makes
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: you better?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit better.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: You know, they had no tackles on either side last year.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: They went with that controversial no tackle approach.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: That's fair. I just think right now they have no
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: left side.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: I don't expect that. I agree with Fred. I expect
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: them to do something. We may not love it, but
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: they'll do. I think they'll do something to address left tackle.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: Like if they don't take a tackle in the first
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: round at four. You know, I just mentioned a couple
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: of names that are in range at thirty eight. Maybe
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: you have to trade up to secure one of those
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: guys back into the first round, which I think is
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: something that they tried to do last year and are
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: interested in doing. You know, I think they've shown that
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: they would do something like that. You could do that,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: and you could double dip right, like you could take
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: a developmental tackle in the third or fourth round on
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: top of that and really had your bets, you know,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: at that position. So just because you don't take the
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: tackle at for it doesn't mean you're not taking a tackle.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: Right, So there was one thing that he said, again,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: great call, because he touched on a ton of different things.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: I'm curious to the thoughts of you guys about his
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: feeling on Marcus Jones. Yeah.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: Well, we had the defensive coaches last week. It was funny,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: we're getting down to the end with the cornerbacks coach
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: who I'm blanking on his name at the moment. But
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: one more question, and I asked him about that, how
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: do you see the slot position in the NFL today?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: And he really talked about it being a matchup position,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: which is how I see it. So I don't. I
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: don't really I understand what Dave's getting at, but I'm
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: not sure I do so I think I think he's
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: looking at a smaller player that he doesn't see.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: I was a little confused at first because when he
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: talked about Marcus Jones with the slot, I thought he
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: was talking about offense.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Well he eventually was, but but I know, but like
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: he thinks that his style is not conducive to the
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: way they want to play now, And I would just
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: ask I. I'm going to ask specifically, and this is
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: a dead legit question. I'm not trying to be snarky
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: Paul here, what about Marcus Jones's style would not be
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: conducive to what I think is sort of man, Yeah,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: that's what he does.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: We've obviously talked to him, coach. We've talked about, you know,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: having a little bit more size than there, a little
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: bit more durability certainly than Marcus Jones sometimes shows because
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: of his lack of size. But in terms of the
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: skill set, I have no idea why Marcus Jones.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not asking you how good you think Marcus Jones
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: is because you guys all know that I have my
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: concerns about Marcus Jones's coverage ability. I'm probably a little
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: bit down on him compared comparatively to most people. But
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: his style, like he's like physical spunk, He's a willing tackler,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: you know, like he's a good athlete, mirrors Like I'm
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: just wondering about his skill set. Now, if you don't
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: think he's good enough, that's a different argument, right, But
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: it seemed to me that Dave was suggesting that his
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: style wasn't conducive to the way Vrabel's going to want
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: to play defense.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: I mean they they said multiple times that they want
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: to play cat coverage, and if they're going to play
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: that on the outside, and that means the slot is
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: going to have to be in man to man too.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: Marcus Jones a really good man to man slock corner.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Now he's playing dog coverage, he has limitations.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what cat coverage is, right, No, you
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: got that cat?
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 12: I got cat?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's how I remember.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: It's not ball, no worth. That's that's kind of like.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: But I would also just say just Marcus Jones is
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: not playing offense full time. He's not doing it like
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 5: as long as he has a job in the NFL
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: playing the role that he wants to play. He's at
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: the point now and I don't blame him for it
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: where he's starting to kind of get annoyed about the
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: question about playing offense because it's like he fancies himself
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: as a defensive back. He does not think he's a receiver.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Well, the other part that I would say in his
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: defense too, is part of that is the size, like
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: us not just six', one you. Know, yeah that's significantly
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: bigger than with five Eight Marcus, jones.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: Like five eight one.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: SEVENTY i just think, too he's a really good punt,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: returner and for an offense that really struggled last, YEAR
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: i hope it's not the, same but you have a
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: legit piece that can help you gain some field. Position
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: we talked about letting him do kickoffs.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: Too i'd be very, surprised you know WHAT i. MEAN
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: i make things happen with the ball in his. Hands
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: i'd like to tell YOU i wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: you told me any pretty much anyone was going to get.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: CUT i think that would represent a real surprise.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: Cut.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah we've Asked Jeremy springer about him returning, kickoffs and
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: they've favored bigger kickoff returners because of how the it's very.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: Physical uh you, know you're really getting getting whacked when
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: you get hit and, uh and so they're worried about
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: the smaller guys having. Durability so, uh they they've, favored you,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: know the the bigger. Returners, now if it was the game,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: right like if it's fourth, quarter we talked.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: About it the other, day Artist jones maybe getting some.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: Opportunities we talked about that.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: Before, yeah you, know ten seconds to, go tie, game
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: fourth quarter and they're kicking it back to you and
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: you have one, return like maybe you put him back,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: there you, know like teams would do with their best.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: Player BUT i. DON'T i don't think he's going to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: be like a regular kick.
• 1:35:15
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  Speaker 20: TALK i want to throw out. THERE i was listening
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  Speaker 20: to The gards podcast yesterday and he wasn't the first
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• 1:36:43
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  Speaker 2: All, right Thanks.
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  Speaker 5: Patty, Yeah i'm not surprised that there's some buzz About Jalen.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: WALKER i, Mean mike AND i said it In february
• 1:37:37
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• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: with you. Guys, absolutely he is.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: A professional football, Player like he is a, Captain he
• 1:37:45
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• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: single coach in a thirty visit and a private workout
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: and a combine. Meeting, uh he's a little bit of a,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: tweeter LIKE i think that's like the one concern is
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: like is he a rush? Linebacker is he an off ball?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: Linebacker you, know he's kind of caught in. Between but
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: if you give him to a creative coaching staff that
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: you trust on that side of the, football he's going
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: to be a, really really good football player for a.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: While i'm just intrigued by By jogia defensive players because
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: all it takes there's somewhere AROUND i don't, know ten
• 1:38:19
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• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: years and how many of them haven't really worked? Out
• 1:38:27
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• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: if not.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: Great, yeah the comp that he gets a lot Is Nolan.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: Smith like as a pure edge guy, PLAYER i don't
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: know if he's quite as like big and like strong
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: As Nolan smith is on the.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: Edge Was Nolan smith coming out?
• 1:38:43
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• 1:38:52
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• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: early downs and then on third down you put him
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: on the edge and or over the you, know the
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: guard or whatever and uses his quickness and speed to
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: rush the.
• 1:39:02
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• 1:39:04
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• 1:39:06
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• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: HIM i mean IT'S i get what everybody's saying, though
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: with like you spend so much time on, defense you
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: signed two, Guys but that's still a. Player pencil him
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: right in starter.
• 1:39:19
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• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: DIFFERENT i would, say you, know than like a splain
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: like explains a nice of player. LIKE i Think Jalen
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: walker has a chance to be a true like difference.
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  Speaker 2: Philly what's?
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  Speaker 10: Mark, hey, guys how's it?
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  Speaker 23: Go, well my question is kind of about a hypothetical
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 23: in the, draft SO i want to see what you
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 23: guys think about. That, Say Travis hunter Goes Abdul carter
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 23: Goes patriots to sit and there. FOUR i think they
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 23: trade with The. Saints they drop back to nine and
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 23: they pick up crit Ol Lava.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 20: And with the ninth, PICK i think.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 23: You Go Tyler, warren mainly Because Hunter henry is in
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 23: his last year of his. Contract with that being, said
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 23: you solidify another young wide receiver that dates can teach,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 23: us and you solidify your tight end position for the
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 23: next ten years With Ala. WARREN i think in the
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 23: second round that's when you take your tackles and like
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 23: you guys said a little bit ago about double dipping
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 23: later in the, round that's WHAT i would say would
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 23: be the best case scenario for the.
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  Speaker 15: Past that's ALL i.
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  Speaker 3: Going, YEAH i Mean chris Alave i've. Heard i've heard
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: that a, lot you, know get a lobby AND i
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: think he's a terrific. PLAYER i think that that comes
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: with tremendous. Risk to me is that's multiple concussions in
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: a short period of time for a young receiver, who
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: by the, way is coming to the precipice of you
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• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: Enough?
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• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: Minimum So i'm intrigued by a lobby BECAUSE i think
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  Speaker 3: he's really. TALENTED i really really like the. Player i'm
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: a little worried about the.
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  Speaker 5: Concussions oh it's a fair. CONCERN i, MEAN i don't
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  Speaker 5: think you can count on him being consistently.
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  Speaker 4: AVAILABLE i wouldn't be surprised if they do not take
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: an impact wide receiver in this. Draft that's the position
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: that everyone talks about as a need right. Now but
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: that's one that they don't fill. That it's just it
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: doesn't it's not the Right they got digs for the
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: for the short. Term they got, digs they Added hollins
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: and draft and they think that they can get with.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: That you, know like if you say they you'd be
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: surprised they don't pick an Impact that means second.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: Round, Right, YEAH i MEAN I i, Yeah Like i'm
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: not Talking day three. Selection BUT i think you got
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: to hit the running back. Class they need an, edge
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  Speaker 4: they need a young. Edge it's a great edge. Class
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: if they don't get a good impact edge in this,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: Class i'll be. Disappointed but it's. Hard like one of
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: the callers said to look at this wide receiver class
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: and be, like that's the guy that's the. One, like
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  Speaker 4: you can pencil guys in that are complementary to what they.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: Have AND i know everyone dislikes the receivers from last,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: year but at some point you have to let your
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: ten wide receivers on the roster. Develop you can't just
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: keep adding guys and adding guys and adding. Guys you
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: got to bite the bullet at some. Point this year
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: might be a. Hit see how they.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: DO i don't know about the last part of, that
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  Speaker 3: like if they can't, play LIKE i don't have to,
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  Speaker 3: KNOW i, know BUT i just don't know if they're
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: convincing you guys Like, digs WHO i think are better
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: than those. Guys, yeah that's WHAT i want to.
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  Speaker 5: DO i would just LIKE i agree with you for
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: the most. PART i just, think you, know maybe in
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: the third or fourth round you can throw another.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 9: Dart.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: YEAH i agree With mike that it might not Be,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: yeah BECAUSE i have That, higgins that's.
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  Speaker 4: Probably the better way. Out and it's going to be
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: a dart and it's not going to be a slam.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: Dunk we got a guy across From. Digs it's going
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: to be a guy who's going to enter the mix
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: With polk And baker And bourne and all these guys And.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: Booty there's a ton of them and they're gonna see
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: What josh can do with these. Guys and who are
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: they REALLY i don't think they've given up on everybody.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: YET i mean, AGAIN i said at the top of the,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: SHOW i love seeing all those wide receivers popped up
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: in these. Videos they're all here right. Now that's a good,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: sign but they have to prove. It AND i JUST
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: i just wonder if there is out on their wide
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: receivers as the show looks.
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  Speaker 3: Like me and out is, like let let's say that
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: we're in, okay so let's go With, Booty, Douglas, Polk.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: Bake what do you think the highest level give me
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: a comp for any of those? Four what do you mean, like,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: LIKE i think if we're in on them and they
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: all stick, around they all. Stay LIKE i just think
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: that the ceiling is not very, High like the ceiling
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: is like the complimentary guys that they've had in the,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: past like The, Lafel's, yeah that's not good.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: Enough, WELL i guess my response to that is JUST
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: i don't see the way in the draft to really
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: improve on. That LIKE i don't see.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: That it's just a different argument BECAUSE i agree with.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: YOU i think that you, GUYS i, mean AND i
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• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: terms of situating the board and where guys might. GO
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: i think you guys are. Right you're probably not going
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: to get that's you probably don't have the luxury of
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: being able to take one of these wide receivers because
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: you have some other things that you. NEED i think
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: they got. DIGS i think you can't just like magically
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: fill seventeen holes at, once like some things are you,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: know are going to get left. Unfilled and if you
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: don't Get Will campbell at four because you don't think
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: he's a, tackle you're gonna have to take a tackle
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: with the next. PICK i, think, yeah they didn't have
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: to do, something.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: AND i think like McDaniels can probably do more with lesser. Receivers,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: yeah like if you give him a decent line And
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: drake may, obviously LIKE i think that you can probably
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: still you, Know Nack jones' rookie, Year Nelson aglore And
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: Kendrick bourne And Hunter. Henry it wasn't like they had you,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: know Prime Randy moss on that team and they had
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: a decent. Offense SO i agree With mike that it's
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: either receiver early or receiver. Late like there doesn't really
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• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: him receiver in this.
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  Speaker 3: Class it'd be interesting to see how it. Unfolds but
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: you know IT'S I i agree with, you. GUYS i
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: don't know if you can get.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: Everything, YEAH i mean the WAY i think about it,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: is you deal with it this. Year you Hope drake
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: has a great. Year you Hope diggs gets healthy and
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: gets himself in position to really be back the year
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: after for whoever that.
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  Speaker 9: Means at thirty.
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  Speaker 4: Two but then really next year be in the position
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: where we feel like we have the left, tackle we
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: drafted a stud defensive. End defense feels pretty. Set now's
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: the time to pour a bunch of resources and go
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: get the. Dog, good get that.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: Number let's.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 9: Go.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: Mike you always say LIKE i always find red flags
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: when it doesn't, Right So i'm going to go the opposite.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: Way let's say that this really really, works really really.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: Well that to me would Represent diggs is pretty healthy
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: and he's available to go at pretty close to one
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: hundred percent pretty early in the, season and he establishes
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: himself as your. Best now that might Make booty And
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: polk And douglas better, players and that might make them
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: being A LaFell or A hogan or someone like that more.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: Valuable Mac, collins you, know is another one of those,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: guys and suddenly to you to the point That evan
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: made McDaniels has an ability to maybe scheme these this
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: is best case scenario, now, Right diggs is, healthy he's
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: your lead. Dog everybody else gets better because of. Him
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: and if you can Protect drake mate just a little bit, better,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: right And may's, better maybe maybe you have that natural
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: progression in your offense become.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: Serviceable.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah there's a couple of, receivers like in the
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: third or fourth Round range two THAT i think are
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: worth throwing darts. At you, know both of us Love Isaiah.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: Bond now he does some maturity, issues kind of Like
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: Javon baker that some teams are a little bit worried
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: about with, That but like the talent is. UNDENIABLE i,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: mean you, know this guy was on track to be
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: like the next gill And waddle At alabama before you,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: know he ran into some. Issues so he's got an unbelievable.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: Talent you, know there's guys like that THAT i think
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: just can come in and if it's a, hit then
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: it's going to be a home run and maybe that's
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: worth it for. Them and if if it's, not then,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: it's you, know another one of the many. Misses but,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: yeah you, know it's kind of a boomer.
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  Speaker 2: Bust Fort worth writes IN i was enjoying last week's,
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  Speaker 15: Trevor, hey, Guys sorry to take it back to football.
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  Speaker 15: HERE i just had a question About Luther burton. Specifically
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  Speaker 15: SO i think he's being underrated. PERSONALLY i think he's
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  Speaker 15: the best receiver in the. Draft if you want to Say,
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  Speaker 15: HUNTER i get, it BUT i Say. Burton so my questions, are,
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  Speaker 15: one do you think that we are interested In burton
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  Speaker 15: with the supposed off field? ISSUES i don't fully agree
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  Speaker 15: with some of. That and, two how do you think
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  Speaker 15: he would fit into our? Offense? Personally my comp for
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  Speaker 15: him is a Young Steve smith.
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  Speaker 7: Senior, yeah probably great player AND i don't hate the comp, no,
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  Speaker 7: YEAH i try.
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  Speaker 3: PHYSICAL i don't hate the. Camp, yeah he's he's a great.
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  Speaker 5: Player you. KNOW i think most of the off field
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  Speaker 5: stuff you hear about his maturity not necessarily that he's
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  Speaker 5: done anything, wrong just, that you, know and. Stuff how
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  Speaker 5: locked in is he going to Be monday Through? Saturday you,
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  Speaker 5: know like is he is he going to be on the?
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  Speaker 5: Program you know that sort of. Thing Brady cook has
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  Speaker 5: a lot to do with. That that is a big
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  Speaker 5: part of.
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  Speaker 3: IT i do as.
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  Speaker 5: WELL i THINK i don't think he's the best receiver
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  Speaker 5: in the, class BUT i think he's a first round.
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  Speaker 2: Talent BUT i mean be in top three.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, YEAH i, uh you, KNOW i.
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  Speaker 5: Can See steve miss. Senior you, KNOW i think a
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  Speaker 5: lot of. Him SO i try not to comp players
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  Speaker 5: to guys that are, that you, know Potential hall of,
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  Speaker 5: famers but you, KNOW i see a lot of Z
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  Speaker 5: flowers in burden as. Well just start stopability three, levels you,
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  Speaker 5: know a slot you know he's going to play, inside
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  Speaker 5: but explosive player before and after the.
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  Speaker 3: Catch, yeah SO i think we all like.
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  Speaker 2: Him quick quick game For steve From. Marblehead translate these
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  Speaker 2: top tier draft candidates From fred To. English, Example Tarvis,
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  Speaker 2: FISHER i Mean Travis fisher is For, Fred Travis Hunt
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  Speaker 2: hunter So Fisher Hunter, Ready Calvin, Baker Calvin Kelvin, Banks
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  Speaker 2: Kelvin Kelvin banks good but kacky North, wall M Little
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  Speaker 2: lad McConkey mcacky North. Wall think about you have to
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  Speaker 2: be a fan of a FAMOUS tv, show North wall Of,
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  Speaker 2: Thrones Malauchey, Starts. Malachia La.
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  Speaker 3: Fred gave a different version About, Malachi, Joe Henry, Campers.
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  Speaker 4: Joe Henry camper's uh, Tense.
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  Speaker 2: Joha campbell and Finally Emmanuel.
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  Speaker 4: Nickery that's got to be, yes who is nick nick worry?
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  Speaker 3: Game don't make fun of.
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  Speaker 5: Me it's a tough.
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  Speaker 2: One let's get To. Joe what's? Up he got dropped?
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  Speaker 2: Earlier what's, Up? Joe Jo?
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  Speaker 9: Joe they got for taking my?
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  Speaker 14: Call SO i got a, QUESTION i guess probably For evan,
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  Speaker 14: specifically just about a player in the. Draft BUT i
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  Speaker 14: think as things go on, here it seems to me That.
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  Speaker 10: Will campbell's to pick a number.
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  Speaker 14: FOUR i Don't travishner is not going to be there
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  Speaker 14: At Luke kier is not going to be, there And
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  Speaker 14: i'm fine with. THAT i think he's going to be
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 14: At he's just going to be a football, player a good.
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  Speaker 14: Leader he's going to help that offensive line one way
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 14: or the. Other either, way AND i think.
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  Speaker 10: It's a safe.
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  Speaker 14: Pick he led that offensive line AT lsu for for
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  Speaker 14: all those, years So i'm fine with.
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  Speaker 10: That and Then i'd like him.
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  Speaker 14: To be aggressive in the draft AND i hopefully kind
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  Speaker 14: of trade maybe trade back up into the first round
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  Speaker 14: and target a. RECEIVER i Love Jaydon. Higgins we want
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  Speaker 14: that ex wide, receiver, RIGHT i, mean for years we've
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 14: had and right now the receiver just full of kind
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  Speaker 14: of small guys and.
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  Speaker 10: Stuff so.
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  Speaker 14: Looking for that bigger guy Like Jaydan. Higgins but my,
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  Speaker 14: QUESTION i guess, specifically IS i haven't heard a lot
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  Speaker 14: of talk About ELICK A manner From. Stanford he seems
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  Speaker 14: kind Of Jaydean higgins. Type AND i Guess i'll just
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  Speaker 14: hang up and listen to what you have to say about.
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  Speaker 5: Him, Okay, yeah interesting. Player you, know a couple of years,
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  Speaker 5: ago put up like almost three hundred yards Against Travis
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  Speaker 5: hunter In, Colorado so probably the best tape anybody's.
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  Speaker 2: Had a huge.
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  Speaker 3: UPSET i remember, That, YEAH i remember.
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  Speaker 5: That, yeah probably the best game that any receiver has
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  Speaker 5: had Against Travis hunter the corner two years. Ago, Yeah Ao.
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  Speaker 5: Manor he reminds me a little bit of, juju like good,
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  Speaker 5: juju Not patriots. Juju SO i don't know if i'd
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  Speaker 5: necessarily say he's like an outside, guy uh per, se
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  Speaker 5: like he definitely has some vertical. Juice but you know
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  Speaker 5: he's a thicker, guy you, know like really good on
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 5: slants and like in cuts and you, know tough to
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 5: bring down after the, catch you, know like that sort of.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 5: THING i like, him BUT i wouldn't say, that you,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 5: KNOW i love him for, McDaniels, like he's not really
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 5: like a route, runner you, know he's kind of a
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: more of a of a. Specimen he's pretty new to football.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 5: Too is From. Canada you, KNOW i think he played
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 5: soccer or. HOCKEY i forget which one it, was but
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 5: one of those two is an option for him, instead
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 5: and so he was kind of focused on.
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  Speaker 2: Two.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no he's an interesting, player one of those guys
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 5: we're talking, about like you, know third, Round like if
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 5: you wanted to take a dart throw at one of those,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 5: Receivers i'd put him in that.
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  Speaker 2: Category all, Right, well that's going to be it for
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  Speaker 2: this edition Of Patriots. Unfiltered we'll be back On, thursday same,
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  Speaker 2: Time cash twenty two tomorrow at. Noon, yes, sir, okay
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: you And barth can battle it out what's the what's
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  Speaker 2: the biggest disagreement the two of you have right?
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 5: Now going biggest, DISAGREEMENT i don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know we agree on this pretty, much, Lockstep.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah we, agree BUT i think you know we're talking
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 5: about the. RECEIVERS i love, speed Like i'm a sucker for.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: Speed he tells me all the. Time you, Know Isaiah
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 5: bond fast and what like what else is he good
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 5: at besides being? Fast SO i think that's probably our
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 5: biggest disagreement right, now is you, know guys Like Isaiah,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 5: bond you know those types of you, know four to three.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 5: Guys i'll sign up all day for those. Guys he's
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 5: he kind of likes different.
• 2:01:27
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